NFL WEEK 13 REACTIONS - Bills-Steelers, Falcons-Jets, Rams-Panthers, 49ers-Browns, Texans-Colts and more

Summary

Sharp or Square – NFL Week 13 Reactions: Detailed Episode Summary

Podcast: Sharp or Square
Hosts: Chad Millman & Simon Hunter
Episode Date: Dec 1, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively post-Thanksgiving episode, betting expert Chad Millman and pro gambler Simon Hunter break down NFL Week 13's wildest games, huge surprises, and betting outcomes. The show dives into the performances and storylines around the Bills-Steelers, Falcons-Jets, Rams-Panthers, 49ers-Browns, Texans-Colts, and more—offering sharp betting analysis and candid reactions to outcomes good, bad, and painful. The duo banters about strategy, coaching decisions, heartbreaks, and the ever-tumultuous world of NFL betting.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Betting Recap and Emotional Week

• Opening Vibes ([03:09–06:28]):
  • Chad relishes in the unforeseen success of his beloved Bears and Indiana Hoosiers, acknowledging the surreal, unexpected “destiny-control” both teams possess in December.
  • “He turned himself that night, that night when he took off his shirt so the entire city could get free hot dogs. I think he made himself a hero for the rest of his life in that town.” – Chad, about Bears coach Ben Johnson’s viral moment. ([05:05])

2. Texans-Colts: Injury News & Last-Minute Pivot

• Analysis Shift ([08:08–12:12]):
  • The hosts admit the Texans (+4.5) were a late entry, originally leaning Colts before injury news.
  • Chad reiterates that Houston’s red zone offense is a problem: “They are just dreadful in the red zone. There’s no creativity, there’s no misdirection.” ([10:58])
  • Simon mentions C.J. Stroud's up-and-down performance, struggling to regain rookie-year explosiveness. The defense, not offense, is winning games for Houston.

3. 49ers-Browns: Special Teams Catastrophe

• The Role of Field Position ([12:23–18:36]):
  • Chad breaks down how nearly all Niners’ scoring drives started in Browns territory due to special teams miscues. “How are the Browns, who were awesome, supposed to be defending that? They can’t do it.” ([12:45])
  • Simon points out the critical “out-of-bounds” special teams mistake, showing how the Niners capitalized on short fields: “That’s what they do as a team. They wear you out. And that’s what happened this game.” ([15:58])
  • Banter on Jauan Jennings’ attitude and recurring conflicts with opposing teams.

4. Falcons-Jets: Ugly Win, Coaching Decisions

• Brass Balls, Ugly Covers ([18:36–23:45]):
  • The Jets (+2.5) manage a miraculous, ugly win. Tyrod Taylor is called out as the reason to take Jets, who pulled off late-game heroics.
  • Simon analyzes the late-game scenarios, coaches’ decisions to (not) go for two: “He’s been told, I am for sure, that he needs to go for two in those exact spots...I’m playing for my own job.” ([20:00])
  • Chad: “They just didn’t have anyone.” – commenting on Atlanta’s lack of playmakers without Drake London. ([21:02])
  • Both acknowledge new depths of Jets/Falcons misery, yet agree you have to trust ugly underdogs: “These stupid games, you just gotta trust these ugly dogs sometimes.” – Simon ([19:16])

5. Bills-Steelers: Running Over the Past

• Steelers’ Defensive Weakness Exposed ([24:03–29:47]):
  • Chad and Simon lament Pittsburgh (+3.5) falling apart in the second half after a promising start.
  • Cam Hayward vs Josh Allen; game becomes “chippy.”
  • Simon: “We know Pittsburgh’s a shitty team, but you saw that first half — that’s how they win and steal these games, right?” ([25:05])
  • Bills win by rushing, not Allen’s arm. “Most rushing yards against a Steelers team at home in 50 years.” – Chad ([27:14])
  • “It’s a bad Bills defense. This is not a great Bills defense. So that’s the most alarming part of it.” – Simon ([29:13])

6. Viewer Questions & AFC Futures

• Should You Quit Betting the Steelers? ([35:09–36:37]):
  • Chad feels the “Mike Tomlin magic” is gone: “I feel like we’ve got to jump off this bandwagon here.”
  • Simon: “Contest-wise, if we can avoid them rest of the year, I’d be very happy.” ([35:48])
• AFC Possibilities Outside the Old Guard ([37:13–39:47]):
  • Both agree the Broncos are intriguing due to their defense and Sean Payton’s coaching, but worry about Bo Nix’s reliability.
  • Possible trust in the Texans, but offensive play-calling is a concern.

7. Seahawks-Vikings: Rookie QB Pains & Defensive Dominance

([41:00–44:25])

• Simon refuses to bet on a game led by a third-string rookie, Max Brosmer, for the Vikings; Chad stands by the defensive logic of betting Minnesota but acknowledges “total zero” quarterback play dooms any chance.
• “This is not a kid that has been playing SEC football his whole life, man.” – Simon ([42:00])

8. Panthers-Rams: Big Home Dog Wins

• Shame on Us for Doubting the Panthers ([44:25–49:50]):
  • Chad and Simon both kick themselves for bailing on the Panthers (+10.5), who upset the Rams. “Did not go back to it. It’s like we looked for an excuse not to bet on the Carolina Panthers as ten and a half point home dogs…” – Chad ([49:28])
  • Bryce Young’s clutch gene: “Most comeback wins to start his career… The thing you can’t coach or teach is that clutchness, that ice in your veins.” – Simon ([45:43])
  • Panthers’ schedule and playoff vision discussed.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Coach Ben Johnson (Bears)

“He turned himself that night… into a hero for the rest of his life in that town…He understands who he’s coaching for, not just the team and the players, but for the city itself.”
— Chad Millman, 05:05

On the Browns’ Special Teams Collapses

“They had one scoring drive of the five where… it was I think 37 seconds left in the first half and they drove down the field to the four yard line on a miracle one-handed catch by Kittle… Everything else was on a short field.”
— Chad Millman, 12:45

On Late Betting Regrets

“It’s like we looked for an excuse not to bet on the Carolina Panthers as ten and a half point home dogs when we have almost bet on the Panthers…in every single scenario for the past seven years…”
— Chad Millman, 49:28

On Trusting Ugly Underdogs

“These stupid games, you just gotta trust these ugly dogs sometimes.”
— Simon Hunter, 19:16

On Bills Running Over Steelers

“Most rushing yards against a Steelers team at home in 50 years. The last time it happened…Buffalo Bills against the Steelers 50 years ago.”
— Chad Millman, 27:14

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Texans-Colts Line Movement and Breakdown – 08:08–12:12
• 49ers-Browns: Field Position & Special Teams – 12:23–18:36
• Falcons-Jets: Ugly Dog, Tyrod Taylor Heroics – 18:36–23:45
• Bills-Steelers: First Half Hope, Second Half Collapse – 24:03–29:47
• Steelers Betting Fatigue & AFC Futures – 35:09–39:47
• Vikings-Seahawks: Rookie-QB Despair – 41:00–44:25
• Panthers-Rams: Home Dog Upset & Betting Regret – 44:25–49:50
• Shame/Heroes of the Week, Betting Self-Awareness – 47:49–53:41

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"Shame On You" & "Hero of the Week"

• Shame:

  • Chad & Simon shame themselves for abandoning their beloved Panthers as big underdogs, despite always betting them in that role ([49:28]).
  • Simon also rails against NFL referees ruining games and fueling betting conspiracy talk over Thanksgiving ([49:50]).

• Heroes:

  • Tyrod Taylor earns Chad’s “Hero of the Week” for late-game heroics, keeping Jets’ bets alive; Simon calls Taylor the new “Teddy Bridgewater of covering” ([53:41]).

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Early Week 14 Leans & Betting Strategy

([57:03–60:55])

• Early interest in the Jets as underdogs again.
• Simon eyes the Chiefs (-4/-4.5 vs Houston) as the public might finally fade Kansas City, and Colts as a potential value side if injury news is favorable.

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Episode Tone

The show is quick-witted, honest, and self-deprecating, blending sharp analytics with downtrodden laughs over bad beats and betting blunders. Both hosts bring a blend of stats, emotion, and locker room insight, always talking to the audience, not at them.

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Summary Takeaways

• Sharp money moves require flexibility—injury news and late-week movement matter.
• Ugly dogs often deliver the gritty covers and outright surprises.
• Special teams and field position can define game scripts far more than box score analysis.
• Self-awareness in betting (and being willing to shame yourself) is a critical skill.
• The AFC playoff picture is wide open beyond the usual powerhouses, with defenses suddenly carrying as much weight as quarterbacks.

“We’re heroes. We are self-aware. We don’t have egos, Chad.”
— Simon Hunter, 52:59

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For serious bettors and fans, this episode is a deep-dive into reading the “why” behind box scores, the volatility of NFL Sundays, and the self-reflection every bettor needs after a wild slate.

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[Chad Millman]

Welcome to Sharper Square presented by Hard Rock Bat. We are part of the Voluum podcast network. This is the betting show that makes the squares sharper and makes the wise guys pay attention. I am Chad Millman. I am joined as always by my co host, my companion, Mike Compadre, my BFF professional better Simon Hunter. Hello, Simon.

[Simon Hunter]

Hello, Mr. First Place Bears. How we doing?

[Chad Millman]

Oh, we feel. You know, it's so pathetic. I thought to myself today, the football teams that I love the most, the Chicago Bears and the Indiana Hoosiers, are two of the best teams in all of the land right now. They are a combined 21, three and one of them is undefeated and playing for the Big Ten title this weekend feels pretty good. Pretty, pretty, pretty good.

[Simon Hunter]

Simon, I would say people that fit your exact description, people that are Bears fans, Indiana fans. Even though it's only November 30th. Who cares? It's like I, I could care less. It's. I know it's a little early, but expectations wise did not see either of these scenarios happening as we head into December here. So I would say pretty, pretty insane times for both those fan bases. And like you said, it's every game now. We've been talking for months about this, Pierce. Every game is. Must see now the fact they're in control of their own destiny. Home field throughout the playoffs. Come on. Who cares? What's their points differential plus nine? Who cares? It's, it's, it's what we love about football. Titans. What was that four or five years ago? They got, they got the one seed. It can happen, right?

[Chad Millman]

So with Ryan Tannehill.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, with Ryan Tannhill. Exactly.

[Chad Millman]

I've watched more tiktoks of Ben Johnson taking his shirt off so the entire city of Chicago could get free Wiener Circle than I care to admit. I just love the spirit. I love the way he's galvanizing this team and the city is behind him and he's. He turned himself that night, that night when he took off his shirt so the entire city could get free hot dogs. I think he made himself a hero for the rest of his life in that town. He understood this is the magic of Ben Johnson. He understands who he's coaching for. Not just the team and the players, but for the city itself. He totally gets it. He's bought in. He understands the connection, he understands the people. Like I am all in on this. All in the other night. I'm so in. I'm so in. The other night at Thanksgiving we were sitting around the table and my dad was asking my younger son who goes to Maryland, where the other kids from his pledge class. He just finished pledging a fraternity. He's been, you know, went through hell weekend, whatever and he has. My dad was asking where are the other kids from? And he was naming all the places they're from. A lot of Maryland, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, et cetera, et cetera. My dad's like oh no one from Chicago. And I tapped him, I'm like, I tapped my son. I'm like well you're from Chicago. I forgot he was born and raised in Connecticut. Because I'm thinking so much about the Bears right now. I just assum we were in Chicago.

[Simon Hunter]

Chad. I'm so mature right now. I have about 50 Caleb, will Williams or free weenie jokes lined up and I'm not going to say any of them. Let's go.

[Chad Millman]

You're a class act. Our final five today were the Houston Texans plus four and a half. That's a win. Cleveland plus five and a half. That's a loss. The New York Jets. Jet Jet jets plus two and a half. Miraculous win. Pittsburgh plus three and a half. It's a loss. We got the New York Giants plus seven and a half tomorrow. Our last ones out were the Tennessee Titans plus six and a half. Thanks freaking God. Three teams today basically played one sided football with no offensive support whatsoever. We bet on two of them, the Steelers and the Browns. The Steelers, Browns and Seahawks combined for 15 points. None of them scored any points in the second half. That includes the Seahawks who were shut out. Oh boy. We're going to talk about that game too a little bit because it was, it was devastating to watch if you're a Vikings fan right now. This season the jets won on a last second kick. This season there have been more game winning scores in the final two minutes or overtime than at any other season. In NFL history, Nick Falk won with a 56 yard game winning kick. Thank God, because you challenged me on the jets versus the Titans and I decided to own the responsibility of putting the jets in. Simon, I told you I'd be the only one watching that Jets Falcons game. And it was, it was, it was miserable. I'm just going to tell you that. You ready to get into it?

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, let's get into it.

[Chad Millman]

Indianapolis at Houston. Houston was a late entry for us. Like we hadn't really talked about the Texans at all. If anything, we were going. We were leaning towards the Colts, but we came around as the week went on. Too much news about Daniel Jones and his injured leg. C.J. stroud was playing. That was never really a factor to me. It was really about the injuries to Daniel Jones. The guy just hasn't been as good the last couple weeks and it turns out it's because he might be playing on a broken leg. Great game. Great win for the Texans. Simon. Great, great win.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah. And crazy the turnaround their season they've had. But we, we talked earlier in the year, it couldn't keep going right. They couldn't keep losing. They have such a great defense and like you said, it's Colts. We started on that side and I feel like it was the right side. And the more as we went along and you heard the injury news that that should flipped everyone, right? And it really did. That number moved a ton of for four and a half all the way down to three by kickoff. And yeah, the Texans, you know, they try to give it away a couple different times, but like you said, Daniel Jones just simply couldn't take advantage of it. So Yeah, I think J.J. wat had a great stat. It's simple stat, but it is a great step. They've won every game basically where Jonathan Taylor scores and they're one and three when he doesn't. So that just makes sense for that Colts team. Like we talked earlier in the year, he. He was their mvp. He was so dominant and they only could go as far as he can take them. But I said it right back to he's their mvp. But they still need Daniel Jones to make those plays. And right now he's not been making them like you said he was making them start the year. They've kind of fallen apart. And this Texans defense once again just stepped up every time we need him. Step on that game they kind of did for us. And you know, it was great having C.J. back. You know, as. As great as Davis Mills was for them, right winning games and going 3, 0. This was a real test. This is like a divisional setting type of game like that. Both teams took this as a playoff game. So CJ really stepped up for a game. He was coming in kind of cold and made some big time throws. And you know that it sucks for the Colts. They went all in, right? They went and got sauce. And you saw in that game he went out and not as if he was this game changer, but it was a big deal. Like that's, that's a lot.

[Chad Millman]

I think it was a big deal. I actually think it was a big deal because that C.J. stroud, he was okay. Like there. There are so many issues with this offense and I don't know now going two seasons in a row where the Texans are so far removed from the explosive downfield, dangerous passing attack with CJ Being so accurate on long passes that they were in his rookie season. A lot of reasons for that, right? There's offensive line reasons, there's running game issues, there's play calling issues, Receivers have been hurt. They haven't had the full compliment.

[Simon Hunter]

But.

[Chad Millman]

But there were Times Today When C.J. stroud did get the ball downfield, especially some good throws to Nico Collins. And those could have been plays where Sauce Gardner was defending Nico and they wouldn't have had that chance. But you still look at this Texans offense and they are just dreadful in the red zone. There's no creativity, there's no misdirection. They run the ball into the middle of the offensive line, they wait to get third and long and then they have to kick a field goal. They can't even convert on short yardage situations. They were at the 15 late in the game. They could have gone up 23, 16. They had a third and one. They run directly into the middle of the line. Don't get it, Go for it on fourth down. Same exact play. They didn't even try to change it up and did it again. So this offensive play calling that is happening in Houston is going to be the death knell for them as they get into the postseason. Their. Their defense is great. Them, the Browns, the Vikings, like those are great defenses that are so hampered by offenses at varying levels. It's got to be so frustrating to watch if you're a Texans fan right now.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, like their offense is up and down, but I mean, they do enough every week to win. So yeah, it's hard to get too upset with it where a lot of the teams you just mentioned, my God, are they just totally lost offensively?

[Chad Millman]

So sad. It is so sad. Let's talk about the Cleveland Browns. Let's talk about the fact they were five and a half point underdogs to the Niners. Let's talk about the fact that the Niners, what was the final score like 26 to 8 or something like that. I'm going to give you a stat. Okay. Are you ready?

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah.

[Chad Millman]

The niners scoring drives. Four of their five scoring drives started on the Browns 40, the Browns 18, the Browns 26 and the Browns 14. They had one scoring draft of the five scoring drives they had where it was I think 37 seconds left in the first half and they drove down the field to the four yard line on a miracle one handed catch by Kittle just, just outside the five yard line, I think. And that allowed them to kick the field goal. Other than that, everything they did was on a short field. How are the Browns, who were awesome, supposed to be defending that they can't do it?

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, honestly I, I was going to do shame on the, the special teams of the Browns team, but I got it, I got someone else I'm gonna shame. But I agree with you by the way. It felt like that's what caused us the game in every aspect. Right. The, the special teams, you know, they give up that punt. I think they got down to the 15 and then or 20, they put it in and that's how they get their touchdown.

[Chad Millman]

Yep.

[Simon Hunter]

They get, you know, a couple plays here and there that dictate the game where like you said, defensively they're doing their part, they're holding up. This was really, you know, even though Brock Purdy, the stat sheet, it's, it's not anything special. 168, one touchdown. To me, he had a bunch of sacks he got out of that. It shows why Purdy is a start in the league. Right. What makes him special and something she can do is pocket presence because he should have got got. And it wasn't like he took big plays either threw it away or did a check or anything like that. But it was just a very veteran play that kept them basically in the game where Sanders and every time took the sack just every time and you saw about five different things happen this game. You're like, this is why he dropped. Not just because his personality in the draft, his wind up in certain spots. It's like, dude, you cannot wind up when the pocket's closing on. You just got to throw it from up top. You cannot draw from your hip back up to the air. It's going to get knocked out, you're going to get sacked and him get running from these D linemen. Like, he got called multiple times from behind that you're like, that's not even one of the edge guys. That's a D tackle catching him that he's not able to outrun. So he was just bad today. And, you know, and it was a game where you kind of needed him to show up a little bit and he missed guys in a couple spots and, you know, we knew going in there was supposed to be bad weather. I don't really think the weather was that effective. Like, it felt like there was no passes. I got taken by the wind. They were kicking field goals, kicking extra points. So, yeah, just a game where I honestly think of special team showed up for this Browns team would have been a totally different game. Like, I felt like the defense, when they were in, you know, good spots, kind of got stops and held their own. It's just like you said, impossible. When you kept getting great field position to that team on the 49ers and they eventually just wear you out. That's. That's what they do as a team. They wear you out. And that's what happened. This game so sucked. I had to watch the whole game because we were always kind of in it with our number. Like, they were just like, we always feel like you're a touchdown away. And then, you know, in that fourth quarter kind of opened up. We were dead. So, yeah, bad, bad on this Browns team and, you know, should have known better in the back, this Brown team after a huge road win coming back, Sanders just totally laid an egg in the spot.

[Chad Millman]

So there were two special teams plays that you're talking about that I noted, and they were kind of back to back. The first was off of a kickoff after the Niners had scored. The Browns are totally still in the game. The ball is sailing out of bounds, and the Niners kick returner catches it on the sideline at the five yard line, and it catches it so close to the sideline that his momentum carries him out of bounds. So now the Browns.

[Simon Hunter]

No, there's even more egregious. There's a rule, Chad, which is again.

[Chad Millman]

That's right. That's right. It goes out of bounds. It goes to the 40.

[Simon Hunter]

Not even that. If you stick your foot out of bounds and your other foot inbounds and just stand there and catch it, like he could have done that. Can. That is considered out of bounds.

[Chad Millman]

Right. That's what I mean.

[Simon Hunter]

One of the easiest tricks that More guys do. And like you just said, he did the opposite.

[Chad Millman]

He tried to keep both.

[Simon Hunter]

Saving us. Yeah, he thought he was saving the ball, catching it on the side and with his feet, just. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Millman]

So now the Browns are backed up and they have to basically punt from their goal line. And of course, the defense stops the Niners at midfield. So now the Niners have to punt, and the Niners punt returner has the ball go through his arms, fumbles it. The Niners get the. I mean, the Browns fumble the. Fumble it. The Niners get the ball back, and then they score a touchdown. It's like, what are the Browns supposed to do? There's nothing they can do. This poor team. Like, they're so good on defense. Here's what's interesting. After the game, the Browns defenders ripped Juwan Jennings for comments. I don't know what the comments are. It's not reported that he had during the game that they said crossed the.

[Simon Hunter]

Line to an injured player.

[Chad Millman]

Oh, is that what it was?

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, apparently, like, one of the guys were down and he was saying stuff and he was hiding behind his offensive lineman. I think the exact quote from the guy he was talking about said, I see why he got punched in the balls last week.

[Chad Millman]

That's what I was going to say. I'm.

[Simon Hunter]

Shock has been punched in the mouth, yet I was like, damn, what did this guy say? I'm with you.

[Chad Millman]

That's what I was going to say. Like, it's interesting to me. For the second week in a row, Juwan Jennings is in the middle of something with another team where they're calling him out. That's. That's leading to some action last week.

[Simon Hunter]

We need more divo receivers. We had a nice run there in the mid 2000s. They've kind of faded here a little bit. AJ is trying to give us one. AJ Brown's given a little bit of one, but it's nice to see someone else picking up the slack here. And just like, total psychopath.

[Chad Millman]

And Jennings, I mean, look, DK Metcalf tried to be one for years, and now he's wasted in Pittsburgh. We'll get to that in a second. Atlanta at the New York Jets. This is the one, Simon. New York jets plus two and a half. This was an ugly game. Back and forth, back and forth. And then all of a sudden, in the second half, it got a little bit rowdy. I was feeling great. Like, the jets were covered. A fumble at the Falcons 1. They scored a touchdown. They were holding up. They. They got a touchdown to tie the game from Adonai Mitchell, from Tyrod Taylor to adonai Mitchell, a 52 yard touchdown pass. 14, 14. Like this game. Did you watch any of this game?

[Simon Hunter]

Of course. I bet it. It was our. We gave it out. My whole issue, it was our brass balls. Yeah. My whole issue with it was just we didn't have a good number three and a half would have been a no brainer. We took that. My only issue was we were taking a bad number two and a half. And it could have bit us a thousand different ways. Right. But like we always say, these stupid games, you just gotta trust these ugly dogs sometimes. And there's no way, there's no way to break it down. Like they, this is an insane game. The fact that, you know, they scored seven points in the first half and they got us 20 the second half, this jets team and 50 yard bombs and, you know, pun returns getting down to the 10 or kick returns down to the 10 and them getting stopped and only getting three. Like we, we lived and died so.

[Chad Millman]

Many times and missed field goals going both ways.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah. And just I, I know people who work for teams and ownerships and you can tell when a coach is just doing his own thing because he's like, I don't really care what the ownership or whoever's telling me what to do. Like I am, I'm just playing for my own job. I want to play for wins. He's been told, I am for sure that he needs to go for two in those exact spots. Like when he gets a touchdown with two minutes left.

[Chad Millman]

Aaron Glenn, you mean?

[Simon Hunter]

Yes, Aaron Glenn here. Like he has been told. I am sure he needs to go for two in that exact scenario because it's great. They go up one, they're gonna win. Or even better, they lost now because they're down by one point and he kicked the extra point. I go, my God, are me and Chad gonna hold on to this one here? And I think Kirk got it twice. He got it punted.

[Chad Millman]

Yeah.

[Simon Hunter]

Got it back. And then God bless Kirk, he's just so bad. They got it. He had a couple opportunities. He could have burned us and he really didn't. And yeah, it's exactly what we talked about, though we faded it because it's like Kirk is now a favorite on the road. This is the exact moment to go.

[Chad Millman]

Against him without Drake London. Without Drake London. And I do think that mattered. Like there were times late in the game he just didn't have anyone.

[Simon Hunter]

Pitts played well.

[Chad Millman]

He could rely on Pittsburgh. Fine. But Darnell Mooney was kind of non existent and at the end of the game, he alligator armed a catch that would have been really significant. That guy sills number 87 on the Falcons. He dropped the pass on that final drive where they could have put themselves closer into field goal range. It was exciting. It was truly awesome to watch this game. I never felt like. I actually never felt like the jets were out of it.

[Simon Hunter]

I just, the whole time was like, my God, is this two and a half going to burn us? That was my like, just like you just said, all the missed field goals. I was like, it's, it's not landing on the two and a half. Like I thought it was going to. I really thought it was gonna be a one or two point game and it kept staying on the three.

[Chad Millman]

What was. I loved. I thought he might go for. For two. What's interesting to me that you just say is he's being told to go for two. I would go for two like if I were a coach in that situation.

[Simon Hunter]

That's what I'm saying though. He's just in his mind though. He's like, no, I'm playing for my own record now. Like, I'm not playing to get you a better draft pick. I'm trying to win. And you know, if you're trying to win and play for a playoff spot, of course you kick the extra point there. The jets are not that team. They want the number one pick. Like, what are we doing here? So I just thought it was really interesting that he, that he kicked that because I thought it was really telling where it's like, okay, maybe the. Him and the organization are not on the same page. I thought they were. I thought they would bring him back next year if he keeps winning. I don't know if you can. Like, they're he savages saying if he.

[Chad Millman]

Keeps winning, they're gonna have to fire him because he's ruining all the plans.

[Simon Hunter]

He's not listening to him. But I'm with you. It's good he's winning, but it's like you need a top pick, don't you? Like, I mean, I can't wait for the office to talk these quarterbacks, but there might only be one or two good ones coming out. So this game right here, Atlanta might be, you know, this might dictate Atlanta having a draft pick above the jets now. It's just a really unique spot.

[Chad Millman]

It's. And I think they'll obviously going to get rid of Raheem Morris.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah.

[Chad Millman]

Who's now they're They've lost something like seven in a row. They're three and nine on the year. Mike was the fourth.

[Simon Hunter]

Fourth quarterback taken in a draft, and he's on his fifth knee surgery.

[Chad Millman]

Yeah. And he's not even going to be back until the middle of the year. Like, this team all of a sudden goes from looking like it had potential to being in the middle of a rebuild. Like, complete start again next year. Because when Penix comes back, what are you gonna have?

[Simon Hunter]

I would love that job as a coach, though. Like, you got a good line. You could have a high pick to get a quarterback, and you have all the weapons. Like, you have Drake, you have the running back. I don't know. I. Of all the spots that are coming up, like, there's gonna. There's gonna be some ugly coaching opportunities. This feels like a pretty good one.

[Chad Millman]

We're gonna have a little bit more about Tyrod Taylor and the jets in a minute. Buffalo at Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh plus three and a half. Dude, this first half was so freaking ugly and chippy. And the whole game got ugly and chippy. Cam Hayward constantly in Josh Allen's face. There were multiple personal foul calls that weren't even part of the play. They were after the play with people acting like idiots. Like, this was such an ugly game. And then the wheels came off for the Steelers as soon as the second half started. Aaron Rodgers getting literally bloodied and having to leave the game. That, to me, was sort of the perfect example of what this game became for the Steelers.

[Simon Hunter]

I know they teased us, Chad. It felt so good that first half.

[Chad Millman]

It was so real. It was so real.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, it was just exactly like. We know Pittsburgh's a shitty team, but you saw that first half. That's how they win and steal these games, right? They play really good defense, keep guys in front of them, steal the ball, get turnovers offensively, play smart, play simple. But my God, Rogers probably should not have played this week. He was just. Nothing for us out there. And whatever happened at halftime, I mean, I. I can't get over how bad it started for us. Like you said, he came out. What is there, 1455 on the clock. So it's literally the first snap, first play. Yeah. He gets hit. Strip sack. Like you said, bloody nose. They have. They kick it off right away. No commercial break, right? That's just.

[Chad Millman]

And the Bill score. So being 7 to 3, Steelers at the half, they have the ball they could drive down the field, potentially score, and Instead it's now 10, seven, bills. Aaron Rodgers is out of the game. Mason Rudolph is in the game. And for a second I said to myself, maybe it'll be better.

[Simon Hunter]

Agree. And again at the halftime, I think it was minus three and a half Pittsburgh. So it's not like the books thought the Bills were about to come back. Like, like you said, it was a good spot for Pittsburgh to be in. Mason comes in, throws a pick. Obviously even then I'm still not freaking out at this point. It's like, okay, we'll see their defensive begin up yards, but they've been holding them to three. And it really did come down that fourth down play. Like we've seen it. I mean, you know, we didn't talk about the Thanksgiving game, but that Green Bay game against the lines dictated by fourth down touchdowns. Like these are huge flips. Not just the totals obviously, but the spreads. Definitely a fit just for the Bills, momentum wise. And you know, if, if I would have came to you before the game and said, hey, let's fade Josh Allen here, he's only going to throw for 123 yards. You would sign up for that 123 yards and a touch, an interception and a touchdown. You're not used to the Bills winning that way with him on the road, but we saw something we've never seen before, which is historical. You know, what was it? 250. 50 yards rushing.

[Chad Millman]

Most rushing yards against a Steelers team at home in 50 years. The last time it happened, by the way, Buffalo Bills against the Steelers 50 years ago.

[Simon Hunter]

And I told you the Eagles against your Bears gave up the most rushing yards in Eagles history since 1962. So we had two franchises at home give up the most rushing yards they've ever had. This is again, it's super corny. We've been talking about. It's not the football we are used to from the 2000s to what it's become now, the running back. Not that it's the Eagles blueprint, right? They didn't invent the leaning into the run depending on the run, but all these teams have leaned into it. We've seen a total shift in the league where, you know, teams got small to catch up with speed to stop these spread offenses. And now you're seeing teams like the Bills who you saw, they cannot pass block. Those two tackles in there could not pass block. You know what they could do? They could run block. Those are big ass human beings. And when you're just moving guys like they were, I mean Romo was losing his mind. The Steelers would not bring in a corner to cover the edge. I feel like every time Cooks wanted to go outside and pick up 10, he could.

[Chad Millman]

He would just. He would, like, jump, jump, run, jump, cut, go right. Tony Romo diagrammed it 8,000 times. By the end of the third quarter, the Steelers finally had a drive to start the fourth quarter. And of course, they got down to fourth and two outside the 10. And their creative play calling, not running, misdirection, not trying to throw over the top of the defense, it was basically run into the middle of the defensive line out of shotgun. So of course, they turned the ball over on downs. Before that series, The Bills had 300 total yards. The Steelers had 90 total yards. That's unbelievable.

[Simon Hunter]

It's a bad Bills defense. This is not a great Bills defense. So that's the most alarming part of it.

[Chad Millman]

Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers in the first half combined, what do they have? 5 MVPs. Between the two of them combined, they were 12 of 25 for 104 total yards. 6 of 12 for Josh Allen, 6 of 13 for Aaron Rodgers, 50 yards for Josh Allen, 54 yards for Aaron Rodgers. I mean, it was atrocious, atrocious football, but congrats to the Bills. You know, they did it.

[Simon Hunter]

Huge win.

[Chad Millman]

Huge win. Huge, huge win for the Bills. And congrats to Josh Allen. NFL record 76th rushing touchdown. That's the most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history. Passing. Do you know who he passed?

[Simon Hunter]

I do not. Fran Tarkenton.

[Chad Millman]

Cam Newton.

[Simon Hunter]

There you go.

[Chad Millman]

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[Chad Millman]

All right, couple of questions. Our YouTube viewer who's in the chat right now, Another shot. He wants to know if we can stop betting the Steelers. I'm with another shot. Like, I felt like we had been getting away with it. We've lost the mojo on the Mike Tomlin spots. This is not a very good team. Their defense is giving up the most yardage they've given up in the Mike Tomlin era. The offense is as unimaginative as ever, and Aaron Rodgers is injured and hobbled. What are we doing with the Steelers team? I feel like we got to jump off this bandwagon here.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, it's hard. I'm. I'm with the guy. But it's just there's certain spots where they just feels like they're going undervalued and we'll eventually have to jump on them. But yeah, for contest wise, if we can avoid them rest of the year, I'm with the guy. I'd be very happy not to have him the rest of the year in our contest.

[Chad Millman]

Well, look, and next week, I think they have the buy next week, don't they? No, no. They're playing Baltimore. They're six and a half point underdogs at the Ravens. No doubt they're going to tempt us with exactly when we want to walk away. They're going to pull us back in with an ugly game against a struggling Ravens team and a big number where we're going to be off the bandwagon. And of course that's Going to be one. We want to bet the Steelers.

[Simon Hunter]

I plan on losing half my money on that Ravens money line.

[Chad Millman]

Just getting ahead of it now.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, I was gonna say how did the Ravens lose that in that, that spot against a one armed quarterback and Aaron Rodgers came to hand the ball off properly. Right. Now.

[Chad Millman]

This is an interesting question too. And then we've got one more, but I want to go to this one first. Joe Connolly wants to know, excluding the old guard, Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City, which team in the AFC do we think is most likely to take over that position and get to the Super Bowl? Right now.

[Simon Hunter]

It'S a ton of unproven guys at the top of the afc.

[Chad Millman]

So, I mean, it's not indie anymore. Like Daniel Jones is hobbled. If I'm not Jacksonville.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, I'm saying if I'm still a Betty man. You're just hoping the Bills get in there. You feel comfortable with the Bills. I still see a path for the Chiefs, but if the Chiefs don't make it, the Bills don't make it. And I'm forced to pick teams out of everybody, probably gonna end up on Denver. They just, they have a coach who's done it before and that's a big deal from the rest of the coaches he's going against. You know, hardball obviously has, but it's, it's, it's a unique spot with this Denver team. They're probably going to have the best defense left in the playoffs. So yeah, that's, that's why New England's a fun team because like I said, I mean guys again took it as a fence. They just give me the major Drake makers, be major Carson Wentz vibes the year he met that MVP run of just really athletic in the pocket, great deep ball thrower and the offense that's humming. They, they might know any better. Like, that's what's so fun about New England. They might not know any better. If they get the right matchups, they also could make that run. So yeah, I would say any team would be excited. Unless you're a Jags fan. It's just like you're waiting for the, you're waiting for the shoe to drop. So yeah, for right now, leading their division, Ravens, Denver, New England. I think all those fan bases should be really excited because the Bills, the Chiefs said they're not, they're not a lock to make the playoffs yet. It's really interesting.

[Chad Millman]

Also I would say the Texans, if they can figure out any offensive.

[Simon Hunter]

You just buried them. You just buried them.

[Chad Millman]

But like the problem is you talk about defense, right? Like I, when I was, when I was thinking about the answer to that question, I was thinking the Broncos first and foremost because they've got such a good defense. But Bo Nix is unreliable. And as much as Sean Payton is a coaching genius, he still has to figure out ways to manage Bo Nix in really specific situations and hope that Bo Nix can execute on his vision. Right. He needs to be the perfect avatar for whatever Sean Payton is trying to call in any scenario. The Texans defense is just as good. You know, the Texans defense could be even better than the Broncos defense. They've got an incredible pass rush, they've got a great secondary, they keep teams from scoring points. Like, this is a really historically great defense potentially, and they got the same thing. But I think that there's probably more trust in CJ and less trust in what they can do offensively because of their play calling. You know what I mean?

[Simon Hunter]

I do think you just have high expectations for Bo, though. Like, not to be the backer of Bo Nix, but he's had some impressive fourth quarter comebacks this season that I give him a ton of respect to. That Houston defense you just talked about. He had two huge drives. We lost that bet. He scored 11 points against that dominant Houston defense on the road and burned us. He beat us. Yeah, we had Houston. So I agree with you. I don't like him or trust him, but whatever the magic it was, this kid in the fourth quarter, he does nothing for three quarters and he shows up in these big moments. So I don't know, it's just like I'm trying to think of, like, the kid asked a really good question like this. We're in uncharted water right now, and I don't know. I just still, I'd rather take Drake May or Bo over Lamar because I've just seen Lamar choke so many times in the playoffs. So I just, I'm having a hard time trusting Lamar, even though I feel like that's probably the easy answer.

[Chad Millman]

One of the other questions that we just got from Matt Mitchell that came in from Joe Connolly was about J.J. mcCarthy. His question was, and I want to say it now because I want to lead into talking about that Minnesota game for a second. His question was, would JJ McCarthy ask for a trade? JJ McCarthy is not asking for a trade. The Vikings might decide to trade JJ McCarthy because they just don't think he's good enough. And they're going to try to figure out, can they get Mac Jones, you know, someone who can play within Kevin OConnell's system and actually deliver the ball to Justin Jefferson, delivered the ball to Jordan Addison. I thought, you know, in the game today, Minnesota is a 12 point underdog and if not for all of the turnovers and Max Brosmer not really knowing the difference between a Vikings uniform and a Seahawks uniform, they keep that game close. I know you're going to say I'm crazy, but the only touchdown the Vikings the Seahawks scored of the first 19 points they scored was a pick six where Brosmer on a fourth and one was about to go down and underhanded it directly to a Seahawks player, Ernest Jones, who ran it back 90 yards for a touchdown. Their defense was in Darnold's grill all day, including two sacks and two force fumbles in the first 20 minutes of the game.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, it's another reason why a lot of people have pause about Sam Darnold, because certain teams know how to play them and make them look very foolish and uncomfortable. And once he gets a little rattled, it doesn't really go away. So I, I don't, I'm not hating on your read, but the whole reason I wouldn't let us touch this one, it's just like, dude, I, I told you I tried to watch film on this kid. I'm just like, this kid looks like he's about to die today, so I need to turn this off because I'm going to talk myself out of this in a second. And you know, even when he did have good throws, you knew what the deal was going to be. He was going to be highly inconsistent. It's his first start in a really, you know, terrible environment to be in and he's not a first round pick. This is not a kid that's been playing SEC football his whole life, man. This is not that type of situation. So you know him throwing four picks, taking four sacks. It's against arguably the best defense, number two, number three defense in all football right now. So like you said, it's. Your theory about taking Minnesota was sound. They did defensively what they were supposed to do. It's just you got a total 0 from the unknown at the quarterback position, which we said going into. There's just no way to account for what this kid's going to do. That's why that number fluctuated so much this week. I mean, we talked this morning, a couple books had at 11, a couple of books already had a 13. So it really depended on what sharp group hit, what book and which side they're on. And it was just no one really knew. You're really bending the unknown there. But the thing you did know is two really good defenses were going to play this game. So as bad as Sam Darnold was, he was the veteran quarterback there, he didn't put his team, he wasn't throwing pick sixes on fourth down like a rookie quarterback.

[Chad Millman]

Ten yard line.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah. So just brutal. If you did back Minnesota like you said it was. The theory was right, but my God, got a total zero at the quarterback. And did that answer the JJ McCarthy question like you did? He ain't going anywhere. He's going to be there. I talked about, I think they'll go get a veteran so someone to challenge them. If they keep losing and get a high enough draft pick, maybe KFC does fire another one and try to get a quarterback he likes. But to me they just go to the veteran route. So I'm going to challenge him, see if he takes that year to year three jump. If he doesn't, you know they're going to eat it. They made a huge mistake. Moving on from San Darnold and you saw them hugging, embrace after the game. Like I'm sure he whispered to him, just miss you, bud. Like I just. He, he knows you up and. Yeah, that's the tough part.

[Chad Millman]

Greg Olson and Joe Davis, they did their best to glaze Max Brosmer. Like before the kid threw a pass.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah, they did.

[Chad Millman]

They were talking about this kid, he could be Brock Purdy. They were making actual comparisons to Brock Purdy. The first pass, which was a little bit out of reach of Jordan Addison. They were blaming it all on Jordan Addison for not catching it off his fingertips when he was diving for the ball. Like they did their best to make everybody interested. And then it was punt, punt, punt pick. That was basically the first four series for the Minnesota Vikings. All right, we have to talk about the Carolina Panthers. Plus ten and a half. Stafford, two early picks including a pick six. Six lead changes. The Panthers are down 28, 24. Fourth down from their own 43. Bryce young kids Tetaroa McMillan for the touchdown. Are you kidding me? Carolina wins this game 31, 28.

[Simon Hunter]

Bryce Young. Give him tons of flowers. He is inconsistent. We, we know that, but he set the NFR record. Most comeback wins to start his career. I believe he's at 11 now, at the youngest age, I think, I think he just beat like Josh allen by like 30 days. So, you know, obviously totally different spectrum. Josh Allen's a freak of all freaks. But that thing we talk about, the.

[Chad Millman]

Time, the thing so Is Bryce Young, by the way.

[Simon Hunter]

In some ways, right. But the thing you can't, you can't scout, you can't coach, you can't teach is that clutchness, that ice in your veins. No problem driving the field the end of the games. And that fourth down touchdown, that was big time. That was a risky, risky play that paid off huge. And a game where we, we did, we, we said we were going to bet the money line. We threw a little on it. Wish we were more confident in the number, obviously. And you know, we talked. The Rams were due for a stinker more so Stafford was. But even he bounced back like he threw those two egregious picks and it was 14, 14. Like he wasn't in that bad of a spot after really playing so poor. You know, red zone or red, red zone turnovers and pick sixes and it was just everything going wrong. Like, this is such a good ramps team. But it's, it's incredible what this offense that Bryce Young's done and they, you know, looking at all the different team schedules and how the season is going to end, they're probably my number two team right now. That's like, I really cannot wait to see what happens these next five weeks. So they basically have this bye week, Chad. Then they're at New Orleans, then it's Tampa, Seattle, Tampa. I mean, oh my God, is that a juggernaut to finish the season? So I love it. It's like, you know, a team that no one really believes in. We joked coming to the year, their win total was six and a half. They've hit it. They now have their seventh win. A team we never quit on, we always loved. It's been like a long two, three years with them, but this is always the team we envisioned, right? A really good offense with Bryce Young pushing the ball downfield and, you know, can they go three and one in those next four games, Chad? I don't think so. This might be as good as it gets, but, you know, they have a win against a really good Green Bay team. I win against a really good Rams team, you know, win against Dallas, like I'm looking at right now, they just, they've won some games against good teams that I wouldn't count them out. I think they could shock the world and somehow fit, you know, which would be crazy, them stealing it from Baker with them winning this division. I think it's not out of the world yet.

[Chad Millman]

Simon, I want to go to shame on you right now because it is connected to the Carolina Panthers. Shame on You, Chad Millman. Shame on you, Simon. Who do we love more than anyone else in the NFL?

[Simon Hunter]

Barry Millman.

[Chad Millman]

No. The Carolina Panthers.

[Simon Hunter]

Yeah.

[Chad Millman]

Who have we invested in more than any other team in the NFL the past several years?

[Simon Hunter]

Panthers.

[Chad Millman]

Who did we say we loved in this spot? Against a Rams team that was at peak value? Against a Panthers team that was coming off of a prime time loss in which it did not look very good but still had a chance to cover Panthers. We went through a whole breakdown of why we like the Panthers on Tuesday. We were both in. We both loved it. I stupidly, stupidly mentioned some defensive back issues. They were going to be without defensive backs because of injuries and suspensions. The guy who knocked Juwan Jennings in the nuts was going to be out this game in that instant. We walked away from the game. Did not go back to it. It's like we looked for an excuse not to bet on the Carolina Panthers as ten and a half point home dogs when we have almost bet on the Panthers. There's ten and a half point homedogs in every single scenario for the past seven years, no matter who the quarterback was. And yet somehow we didn't do it when they were primed to win outright. Shame on me. Shame on Chad Millman. Simon.

[Simon Hunter]

Happens to the best of us, Chad. I'm going to go with. I was. I said I was going to do Brown special teams because they burned us bad today, but shame. I keep going back to the well, but shame to these NFL referees on Thanksgiving. I'm trying to watch these games with family members and all people can talk about are how horrible these refs are, how rigged is for gambling, all this BS and I just can't take it. They have to let either call down the New York thing or let these coaches have one challenge, any call, whatever it may be. People are losing their minds. I mean, you probably know what I'm talking about. This Detroit Lions Green Bay game, letting that coach call the timeout, what was clearly a false start. Do you have the camera angles? There's just nothing left up to imagination. You have every angle, every sound. It's all people talking the rest of Thanksgiving where I'm the other way, where it's like, damn it, these were great games. All these games were so good. And now I have to defend the shield, which I will do. I'm a mouthpiece for the shield. I love the NFL no matter what, but my God, they make it hard in those type of scenarios where you just have multiple games with bad referee calls that are dictating these games. I mean that Dallas game that was a bad game as well. Like people are really complaining about it but it's hard to complain too much because it feels like the Chiefs have gotten every call for the last five years. So it just instead of everyone talking about the games it became a thing about the refs and it's just I can't take any more NFL shame on you for not letting coaches challenge these calls just won a game. It's just there's some of these calls just turn a whole game they can't leave up the refs addicted these games it's just too much money too much speculation now by the general public. They got to earn the trust back.

[Chad Millman]

Of everyone who is your hero of the week.

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[Simon Hunter]

I mean I feel like we are our own heroes because we didn't put any of the Thanksgiving games or that Black Friday game into it. I almost tried to talk you out of the Browns. Unfortunately I loved it. But we are ice cold on our Tuesday's picks. Chad's choice Simon says I'm dying here what Simon says that's why I didn't even text Chad people honestly about Sunday or or I should say Friday's game because I was like this this bet is taking on so much water right now I can't even we had a good number. It was six and a half in the contest. I don't want to make you try to put it in. I just been ice cold my pick so apologies people I I we are our own heroes avoiding these picks but for myself I'm killing myself these Simon says I'm betting these it's good numbers but yeah luckily contest we should be sitting here 2 and 3 you saved us with the jets probably could be 1 and 4 got the giants left to get us back to 3 and 2 and keep us one step closer. If we hit it we'll be up to 59% for the season.

[Chad Millman]

I love how you both shamed yourself and made yourself the hero at the same time for being ice cold in the picks but being smart enough not.

[Simon Hunter]

To put those we're here as we're self aware enough. We don't have egos Chad.

[Chad Millman]

We're heroes we are self aware. My hero of the week Tyrod Taylor. Look he was the reason we bet the game. He did exactly what we were hoping he would do. He had that team moving down the field. He ran for the game time touchdown on a broken play where it looked like they had nothing going and it was going to end 2417. He scrambled for the yardage to put them in rain for the game winning field goal. He had a passing touchdown. He had a rushing touchdown. Tyrod Taylor you are the reason we are two and two right now. You are the reason I won my jets bet at +2 and a half +3 and on the money line. I thank you. Tyrod Taylor you are a hero.

[Simon Hunter]

He is quietly becoming the Teddy Bridgewater of covering. He is 7 and 1 his last eight starts against. He's great just undervalued every time by the public and finds a way like we said I I never in my wild streams thought he'd be throwing 50 yard bombs in that game in the rain keeping us that cover.

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[Chad Millman]

Antiperspirant brand, Simon says, like you said was Philadelphia minus six and a half Chad's choice was Cleveland plus five and a half Ugh, brass balls. New York jets plus two and a half Bully for us. Rock on a hard place was New York Giants plus seven and a half we forgot to do Sharp versus Square this week in the rush to do a lot of other stuff in today's show. I'm kind of glad because I'm getting my ass kicked in that the Favorites Parlay Seattle -5 1/2 it won Louisiana Chargers 1 Miami it won Tampa Bay 1 Los Angeles Rams Ugh. Underdog Parlay Pittsburgh lost Cleveland lost Jets 1 Houston won, Tennessee lost Simon, what are some early leans? If you've had a chance to look. If you haven't, I have two that I noticed right away.

[Simon Hunter]

I mean are we supposed to go back and take the jets again at plus 30? That's insane.

[Chad Millman]

I immediately put that down.

[Simon Hunter]

We might have like a northeast nor eastern crazy snowstorm up here in the northeast when this game is happening. So we're getting to outdoors potentially in the weather. Let's grab that early plus three in case that is true. And this number moves a ton. There's like again, there's a couple games I do like, but I'm just interested to see where the line's going to go on them because it feels like I'm getting a bad number but I'm probably going to be on the Chiefs, they're at home in prime time right now. They're at minus four, minus four and a half against Houston. I know people are gonna be like, well you just tried to fit. You gave us the exact same spot last time. You're trying to fit Houston on the road. I am like Chad just keeps saying their offense is dysfunctional. They can't keep getting away with it. I think this is a nice spot to back this Chiefs team that I think the public is finally gonna leave them for dead. Like they've been going, they've been backing them every week and they've been losing them for every week. So that's the number I'm going to be on. I'm not going to jump and make people take it right now, but I am going to grab the minus four just in case it does move. And another game that I like, but I could see it moving. Colts, they're minus one and a half. I'm worried it might flip because I just don't know if. If Jones got more banged up today and they're going to sit him out, this could move. I'm going to roll the dice on the early risk and just take it now in case he is okay to go. I could, I could see this getting up to minus two and a half on the Colts as a favorite on the road.

[Chad Millman]

Jets was the very first game I noticed and by the way, as we're talking that line has moved to two and a half almost everywhere. There is one three that I can see that is still out there, but that's juice to minus 118 right now. Interesting to me also the Cowboys had been three and a half point underdogs on the road to Detroit for Thursday night when we started the show, that number is now down to Detroit -3. The other game that stood out to me, expectations are that Jaden Daniels is going to play next week. Washington is on the road at Minnesota and they're one and a half point underdogs right now.

[Simon Hunter]

I bet it. But I feel bad because I'm super biased. I already talked about I'm heavy into the Commanders tonight. You know I put them another contest to men. It was one of my five favorite bets and these last two games I'm really big on them tonight. Commanders and the Giants and I think I talked about Dr. Nick gave it out. They're both huge luck discrepancies so should be the type of game where the bounces should go their way. I think Commanders tonight up to six and a half I like your early read. I'll grab that plus one and a half now. It doesn't matter who the quarterback is for Minnesota, right? We're really banking on even if you know it's Mario to once again if they cover tonight that that that number will flip. They'll be a favorite if Mario plays well tonight. So I like the early read by you.

[Chad Millman]

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