We Weren’t Lucky, We Were Prepared: Drea Nicole and Lex P Share Their Success Secrets

Summary

She’s So Lucky, Ep. "We Weren’t Lucky, We Were Prepared: Drea Nicole and Lex P Share Their Success Secrets"
Release Date: July 14, 2026
Host: Les Alfred
Guests: Drea Nicole & Lex P (Poor Minds Podcast)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Les Alfred sits down with Drea Nicole and Lex P—hosts of the hit podcast Poor Minds—to explore how preparation, authenticity, and friendship have helped them build a media empire. The conversation navigates themes of creating luck vs. being lucky, the inner workings of female friendships, overcoming envy, boundaries in business, and the often gritty reality behind entrepreneurship. Drea and Lex share vulnerable stories of their journey: from $86 checks to sold-out tours, their startup hustle in apartments, and the wisdom they’ve earned as creative businesswomen and friends.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Moments of "Luck" and Blessings (01:05–03:31)

• Lex felt lucky when tickets to their tour sold out fast: “One of the hardest parts about touring is selling the tickets… We saved a lot of time and stress by just the listeners supporting us.” (01:05)
• Drea described feeling lucky getting pre-approved for a luxury car on her birthday, asking herself, “Is it lucky, or am I just blessed?” (01:42)
• Both highlight the difference between online validation and the special feeling of real-life support from fans.

2. The Impact of Their Community (02:44–04:19)

• Lex says meeting fans “means a lot… just showing the impact that we've made on a lot of people's lives.” (02:44)
• Drea shares how frequent encounters with fans lift her spirits and reinforce her purpose, especially on hard days: “They constantly remind you, they're like, okay, maybe I am doing something right.” (03:00)

3. Appeal Across Genders (03:48–04:55)

• Their podcast initially spoke mostly to women, but now men are vocal fans, sometimes introduced to the show by their partners.
• Drea: “Men like the show because it gives them insight into how women think… things that we wouldn't necessarily tell them.” (03:48)
• Lex: “It helps with their emotional intelligence… it makes them a little more compassionate as well.” (04:39)

4. Friendship at the Core of the Business (05:19–08:41)

• Lex credits honesty and a willingness for “uncomfortable conversations” for their strong friendship-business dynamic: “The ups have completely outweighed the downs… we don't have any ego when it comes to each other.” (05:19, 06:37)
• Draya points out the danger of unspoken grievances and importance of resolving issues up front: “It affects your friendship more when you don’t talk about things." (06:37)
• Both stress the value in supporting each other’s separate businesses, avoiding “secret competition.” (07:25–08:02)
• “When somebody else is winning, that doesn’t take away from your shine at all.” – Lex (08:41)

5. Navigating Jealousy and Red Flags in Friendship (09:13–12:59)

• Drea shares: “A lot of people… want you to do well until you doing better than them.” (09:13)
• Discusses the challenge of maintaining friendships with people displaying jealousy, the need to set emotional boundaries, and, if necessary, cut people off.
• Red flags to look for: lack of support, dismissive or undermining comments during your happy moments, not reciprocating energy and effort in the friendship. (17:35–19:50)
• Lex: “You can tell when somebody's not happy for somebody close in their circle.” (08:41)
• Draya: “Just because I’m that friend, it isn't going to automatically make other people that same way.” (19:50)

6. Creating Your Own Luck—Preparation Meets Opportunity (23:36–29:48)

• Drea attributes her success to “overly optimistic” self-belief, bordering on delusion: “If I can see and visualize it, I can grasp it in real life.” (24:06)
• Remarks on staying resilient to naysayers, as “a lot of times it's not even because they hating. It's projection.”
• Lex emphasizes preparation: “Whenever that opportunity presented itself to us, we were prepared for it, because God prepared us for this our entire lives.” (25:48)
• Both note their media degrees, nearly a decade of persistence making YouTube videos since 2017, and growing organically by “putting in those reps.” (29:11)

7. Advice for Aspiring Creators: Belief, Consistency, Reward (30:21–34:42)

• Draya recommends prayer (for those who are religious), writing down goals, and celebrating even small wins: “Being consistent is the hardest thing that most people struggle with.”
• Suggests practical self-reward for milestones (“Go buy yourself something nice, go to the spa… because being consistent is the hardest thing most people struggle with.” (31:45))
• Both agree you should enjoy the fruits of your labor—but only after managing your financial responsibilities.

8. Entrepreneurship & the Business Side of Podcasting (47:37–56:02)

• Lex and Draya recount going from a first, tiny ad check of $86 to diversifying income streams: “We make money about six or seven different ways now.” (50:22)
• Multiple streams include ad revenue, merch, Patreon, YouTube monetization, and live shows.
• They stress reinvesting earnings into production quality, hiring a team (editor, social media manager, audio tech, etc.), and that these investments catalyze audience and income growth: “When you put that money back in and you’re able to outsource people, you’re gonna make more money every time.” (53:05)
• Lex: “A lot of times people don’t want to invest back in their business… you need someone to really take your business to the next level.” (50:57)
• Draya stresses that “you’ll always win once you learn how to delegate.” (53:51)

9. Key Milestones and “Level Up” Moments (47:41, 47:37)

• The first ad payment; being guests (and later signed) to 85 South; learning the merch game.
• Hiring their first producer/editor.
• Reaching 10K video views unlocks agent interest; 50K–100K “is when you can really start” to see real checks and potentially make podcasting full-time. (56:05–56:52)
• Video content is now “non-negotiable”—audio-only podcasts miss vital audience growth.

10. Touring, Connection, & Feeling Lucky (40:19–44:36, 59:17–61:26)

• Tours bring their impact to life: “When you meet people in real life and they’re telling you how much we’ve impacted their life, there’s nothing like it.” – Draya (41:51)
• Lex: “Real people reminding us to log off and touch grass—we are way more loved than we are hated.” (44:36)
• This summer, Drea is manifesting a sold-out tour (all eight cities); Lex is manifesting a luxurious vacation after. (59:17–61:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Friendship and Business

• “We're okay with having uncomfortable conversations… We don’t let one [business or friendship] bleed into the other.” —Lex, 05:19
• “If people are showing you those type of signs, isn’t [ending the friendship] the best thing to do?” —Draya, 10:30
• "You need to start doubting the benefit of the person." —Draya, 12:27

On Success & Mindset

• “It’s nothing in this world that I can see and that I can visualize that I can't actually grasp in real life if I put my mind to it.” —Draya, 24:06
• “If the opportunity presents itself and you’re not ready, it’s not gonna happen… We were just ready.” —Lex, 25:48

On Preparation & Consistency

• "Show up even when nobody was watching. I've literally been putting in work my entire life." —Lex, 29:11
• "Being consistent is the hardest thing that most people struggle with… Most people can't become successful because they can't stay consistent.” —Draya, 31:44

On Delegating & Business Growth

• “You’ll always win once you learn how to delegate. You can’t do everything yourself.” —Draya, 53:51

On Red Flags in Friendship

• "Watch their reactions whenever you're happy, watch how they treat their other friends." —Lex, 17:35
• "Lack of support… when it comes to you, the energy not there, that's a major red flag." —Draya, 18:34

On Creating Luck

• "When you see somebody's life and you're like, man, she's so lucky, you're looking at somebody who… put good energy in the world and hard work into the world, and they're literally just getting back what they've put in.” —Lex, 67:50

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:52–04:55 — Introductions, recent “lucky” moments, fan stories, audience diversity
• 05:19–12:59 — Honesty in friendship, navigating jealousy, red flags & boundaries
• 17:35–20:49 — Spotting and responding to lack of support (in friendship and business)
• 23:36–29:48 — Creating your own luck: optimism, preparation, showing up for opportunities
• 30:21–34:42 — Advice for staying the course: belief in self, journaling, rewarding yourself
• 47:37–53:05 — Monetizing podcasting: revenue streams, investment, growth, team-building
• 56:02–58:39 — Milestones: when “side hustle” becomes business, importance of video in podcasting
• 59:17–61:26 — Lucky Girl Summer: what Drea and Lex are looking forward to, tour and rest
• Rapid Fire Questions (61:34–67:33) — Milestones, misunderstandings, lessons, green flags, entrepreneurship challenges, redefining luck

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Structure, Language, and Tone

The tone throughout is candid, humorous, honest, and deeply supportive—mirroring the hosts’ on-air personalities. Lex and Drea alternate between lighthearted banter and vulnerability about the hard-won lessons of life and business. They speak directly about envy, grief, accountability, and celebration, laced with encouragement for listeners to pursue their goals with both grit and optimism.

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For Listeners Only—Key Takeaways

• Preparation & Consistency are as “lucky” as any breakthrough.
• True friends (and business partners) root for your light—and let you shine.
• Red flags in friendship are as real and significant as those in romance.
• Don’t glamorize entrepreneurship: pay your team, plan your taxes, reinvest if you want to see growth.
• Celebrate both small and large wins, and invest in yourself (and your self-care) along the way.
• “Creating your own luck” is a mix of optimism, hard work, and strategic action—no overnight successes here.
• Vulnerability and authenticity grow community—and that’s the real superpower behind every so-called “lucky girl.”
• Memorable, funny, and real: the Poor Minds story proves authentic friendship is both the foundation and the magic of their empire.

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Where to find Poor Minds:

• https://www.poorminds.com
• All social platforms: @poorminds

For Lucky Girl Summer tour and updates:
Visit their website or socials for tickets and details.

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Transcript

[Podcast Host]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This week we're catching up with the masterminds behind Poor Minds. Lex Andrea. Lex Andrea have built a media empire through their humor, candor, authenticity and work ethic. And even as their success has blossomed, they've been able to keep their friendship front and center, growing together. Today we're sitting down to talk about friendship, business, and how to prepare for the luck you're creating to keep you inspired throughout your lucky girl summer and beyond. Lex Andrea, welcome to she's so Lucky.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Thank you for having me.

[Lex]

Thank you for having us.

[Draya]

We're happy to be here.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I'm so excited to have you. Thank you for making the time while you're in New York.

[Draya]

Of course.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

So I would love to start off by hearing about a moment each of you felt lucky recently.

[Lex]

Hmm. You know what? For me, I felt lucky whenever the tour tickets went on sale and they sold out very quickly. Because I think one of the hardest parts about touring is selling the tickets. And I know last tour that we went on, it was like a lot of marketing that we had to do because like, once you drop the tickets, the second step is marketing and making sure the tickets are selling. So honestly, we. We saved a lot of time and stress by just the listeners supporting us because a lot of the cities sold out almost immediately. So that was my moment of like feeling lucky. Cause I'm like, oh, we don't gotta do a lot of promotion.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah.

[Lex]

You know, so, yeah, I would say

[Draya]

for me it's something non business related, but I had been contemplating for like the past few months about upgrading my car. And then my 35th birthday came up and I was kind of like, hm, do I wanna do that as like a birthday gift to myself? And I was thinking about it and I was about to hit up my homeboy that works at the dealership and I ended up looking through my email and I had already got a pre approval. Love it. I had already got a pre approval from Land Rover, so I was like, oh my God, this is a sign. And sometimes I be going back and forth about like, okay, is it lucky or am I just blessed? You know?

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah.

[Draya]

Or maybe both.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Both for sure.

[Draya]

But yeah, so I wanted to do that. And then, yeah, so I just upgraded my car and I pick it up when I get back to it.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Congratulations. We love a new car, Mom.

[Lex]

Yes, girl.

[Draya]

Thank you. Yes.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Also love selling out shows because it's like one thing to put something out there on the Internet and it's like, okay, yeah, people like it that's cool. But when people are willing to show up in person, it just is so much more special. Right. When the community really shows up like that.

[Lex]

Yeah. I think, like, seeing the people and actually getting to talk to them face to face and them letting us know how much we mean to them and just showing, like, the impact that we've made on a lot of women's. Well, just people in general, a lot of their lives, it just. It means a lot to us.

[Draya]

It does. Yeah. I definitely think that sometimes, like, when I'm running into people, because I'm always going on walks outside in Atlanta, in my area that I live in, and I stay running into people that listen to the show, and I literally am always thinking, wow, how lucky am I that I get to encounter people on a daily basis who are always pouring into me and telling me how much I impact their lives. Because I think, you know, we're all human, so sometimes we're not in the best mood, or you might be having a rough day. And so when you can run into people and they constantly remind you, they're like, okay, maybe I am doing something right and I am on the right path.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, it's the best feeling.

[Draya]

It is.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. Have you guys ever had somebody stop you and be like, oh, I love the show? And it's kind of unexpected because I've. I've had that happen with, like, dudes where they're like, oh, I. And I'm like, she's so. Like, I'm not talking to you, but if you like it, I love it.

[Draya]

Yeah, that definitely happens to us a lot now. Like, I think in the earlier stages of the show, it was more women that were listening to the show than men. But now I honestly think that it's balanced out a lot because we get so many men that are walking up to us telling us that they love the show, and even women will tell us, girl, my man put me on to y' all like he was listening to y' all first. Because I think that a lot of men like the show because it gives them insight into how women think and things that we wouldn't necessarily tell them or say to them, like locker room girl, locker room talk. And I think that that's why they enjoy it a lot.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Oh, they do. It gives them good insight.

[Podcast Host]

It does.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

It does. And I feel like men who are willing to engage in media led by women are actually really smart in that way. Like, I'm a big romance novel reader. I love. And I'm like, more of you men need to be reading these romance novels because you will learn so much about

[Draya]

what we think and what we like

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

and what we want. So it's like the smart ones, and

[Lex]

I think it helps with their emotional intelligence as well to understand, like, how women feel and our emotional responses to things and why we react to things that way. And it makes them a little more maybe compassionate as well when they, like, hear our sides to things. Yeah.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

[Draya]

So I would love to go back

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

a bit, because with the work that you two do, your friendship is really at the core of it. And I think for a lot of people, have this idea of, I would love to start something with my best friend. I would love to work with my friend, but there can be a lot of dynamics that can be challenging in that. So I'd love to hear more about how you maintain having such a healthy friendship while also working together so closely.

[Lex]

I think for us, we always say this, like, we're okay with having uncomfortable conversations. And I think a lot of times what people try to do online is put up a front. Just like how they have relationship goals. Everybody wants to be friendship goals, and they wanna pretend to be something that they're really not. And I think me and Draya have always been honest. We talk about the times we didn't get along in the past, and we talk about friendship a lot on the show. It's not just so. Oh, driven for relationships and things like that. So I think for us, we've just always been honest and real, and people can respect that. And we've done a good job of separating the business and our friendship. Like, if we're going through something personally, we're not gonna get on in front of the cameras and be like, oh, I'm not talking to her. No, we're gonna still have these conversations and create the poor mind's energy that we always do. Or if we're having a disagreement with business, we're still going to happy hour, child. We got drinks to drink. You know what I'm saying? So we just don't let one bleed into the other. And I think we're at the point now where we're like family. Like, this is like my sister. We always say it's like a marriage, you know, we have our ups and our downs. But for me, I don't want to speak for Draya, but for me, the ups have completely outweighed the downs. So it's an easy decision, and it's fun for me to continue to do this, you know? And I think we don't have any ego when it comes to each other

[Draya]

either, to kind of piggyback off of that too. I think it's just important to, like, not be afraid to have the hard conversations with your friends as well. A lot of times people shy away from that. They're like, oh, I don't want to have, like, any confrontation, or I don't want to have any difficult discussions because I feel like it's going to affect the friendship. I actually think it affects your friendship more when you don't talk about things, because it's a lot of resentment and, like, feelings that people are harboring on the inside that they're not getting out. So one thing that I think that's really important that we both do is that whenever we're having an issue with one another, we have the conversation.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, it's super important because I feel like that also makes your friendship stronger when you're actually able to work through conflict. Once I know when. When I, like, fall out or fight with my friends, when we come out on the other side, we're such better friends. But when you just avoid it all together, there is, like, a lack of depth. You just never reach.

[Lex]

And it's like, I don't know. I don't like being around my friends and feeling like I gotta walk on eggshells, or it's like, ooh, I didn't tell her, or she didn't tell me something. And I think another component, too, is, like, we both have businesses outside of poor minds. And I see a lot of times when friends have a business together and they each start other endeavors, like, they don't support their other businesses. And I think we've always been super supportive of what we do outside of poor minds as well. And it's like, a lot of times you see people be in competition with their friends secretly. And I don't think that. Well, not. I don't think. I know. That's not the dynamic here with us. It's like, we're not a competition. We're a team. Yeah.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I also feel like the secret competition thing, it's, like, never secret, because even if they don't say it, you can always feel it. You can tell.

[Draya]

Yeah, it's obvious. You can always feel it. Like, I feel like I've had definitely my share of a lot of friendships that are like that. And like, no matter how much people try to make it seem like it's not like you said, it's like you could tell in the energy. You could tell by how they move you could tell by when they don't really be happy for you. When certain things happen, it's just always there. And I think us as women naturally, we're just, you know, very intuitive. So we be knowing men sometimes. I don't know if they be knowing when they friends be jealous of them as much as we do, but we be knowing because we had that women's instinct. And our good.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Exactly. We're able to let you know.

[Lex]

And it's kind of cringey to watch too, because it's like when somebody else is winning, that doesn't take away from your shine at all. It's like there's enough wins to go around. So I never understood, like being jealous or not clapping for somebody when they're doing well in life is very obvious. Like she said, you can tell when somebody's like not happy for somebody close in their circle.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. And it's like, don't you want to see your friends also winning? Like you want good things for them as much as you want it for yourself. And I also don't want to be around people that are like, losers. That's what I'm saying.

[Draya]

That's how I be feeling, girl. I don't like being around no loser ass people. Like, yes, I want everybody to be doing something. I want everybody to be winning. We should all be supporting each other. But sadly, like, no, It's a lot of people out there that don't want people around them doing well or they want you to do well until you doing better than them. That's the word though. Yeah. They be clapping until you get to a point to where y' all even either on the same playing field or you moving up.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. Have you had experiences like that with people and how do you navigate it when you get that feeling?

[Draya]

I have, and it's sad to say, and I think sometimes that's why it's. It takes a lot for me to make new friendships. Not in a way of. It's not hard for me to become cool with people, like obviously in passing or surface level friendships, but like relationships that have a lot of depth and we're really getting to know each other, spending a lot of time together. I'm telling you my business, I'm being vulnerable with you. It takes a lot for me to be that way in a lot of my friendships because I've had so many of those experiences in the past. So I think it kind of makes it easy for you to shut it off and close yourself off emotionally. But honestly, I don't know If I've handled it the best in the past. Cuz my way to handle it was always to just cut people off.

[Lex]

Yeah.

[Draya]

But then I also kind of feel like if people are showing you those type of signs, isn't that the best thing to do?

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. Like what? What are you keeping them around for? What's the other option?

[Draya]

Right. But you know, some people love to say like cutting people off all the time isn't always the answer. Like maybe having a conversation with someone. But I think that if it's deeper rooted jealousy and envy inside of people and they're not really happy for you, I don't think that's something that could be healed with a conversation because I don't think it's going to change. Even if they tell you it will, maybe they'll stop showing it so much, but I don't think the feelings internally for them are going to change. And you got to watch people like that because those are type of people that will hurt you.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, it's true, it's true.

[Lex]

Yeah. I had a situation like that. I don't think I've dealt with that as much as she has in her friendships. Well, and you know what? Maybe I have or haven't. I feel like sometimes I'm very green when it comes to things like that. Cause I just be happy to be around. I be happy to have my friends and things. So I had a friendship that kind of dissolved whenever the podcast started doing well. And it was just, it was, it was weird for me cause it was like somebody I was constantly clapping for, like constantly. And when it was time for, you know, this person to clap for me, like it wasn't reciprocated and, and it was very, it was hurtful, you know. And for me it was kind of like everybody around me was kind of like, I told you so because I told you this person was gonna do that. It was like multiple people and you be thinking, okay, they not gonna do that to me though. I'm different. They're not gonna do that to me until it was done to me. So for me it was kind of like a situation where like she had cut me off and I didn't even do nothing, you know, so it was definitely an adjustment and I'm learning to create those boundaries and just pay attention to the red flags. You know, we always talk about red flags in relationships, but we don't really talk about them in friendships as well. So it was definitely a lesson learned for sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, yeah. Red flags and friendships is a hard one. I Feel like I'm still learning how to spot that.

[Draya]

Really?

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah.

[Draya]

Yeah, girl. Because the signs be there. I think we all just kind of dismiss it and be like, oh, well, maybe they not so bad or maybe they just going through something. But then sometimes, no, that's just how the person is. And you just giving them the benefit of the doubt. Well, you need to stop. You need to start doubting the benefit of the person.

[Lex]

It's true.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

They haven't earned the benefit of the doubt.

[Lex]

Exactly.

[Draya]

They haven't.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[Podcast Host]

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[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

What are some friendship red flags that you feel like you look for now?

[Lex]

You know what? In that friendship I would say a red flag was like one time we went on a trip and we were in the hotel together, and I was on the phone with a guy I was dating at the time. And me and him were like joking back and forth, and she like, interjected and said something so rude to him. And it was like they kind of. Well, she started like going at him and he was like, hey, I'mma just call you back. And I was like, that was really weird. And it was just like, oh, you want to be on the phone? And it was like, I guess because the guy she was dating wasn't answering the phone and it was just. It was so weird. But at the time, I just kind of, like brushed it off. I think a red flag is like watching their reactions to whenever you're happy, having happy moments, watch how they treat their other friends. Because I was watching this person kind of talk to her other friends crazy. And I was like, that's kind of weird, you know? So I think it's like you have to how they treat you and they try to cover it up with jokes and watch how they treat their other friends. For sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Draya]

I would say, like, lack of support. Lack of support, for sure. But then you supporting your other friends, like your other friend, she done started a business, she done sold two bottles of whatever it is that she's selling. And you on your story, like, yes, girl, I love it, Boss bitch. But then, you know, I'm over here selling out shows and you're not saying nothing is quiet. And that's like a hypothetical situation, but just saying, you know, I think it's a lot of people that are in friendships where the support isn't being reciprocated and you have to pay attention to that, especially if you are a supportive friend and you always show up for your friends. You buy whatever they stealing, you promote whatever they're doing. And then when it comes to you, the energy not there, that's a major red flag. And when I was younger, I didn't pay as much attention to those things as I needed to because I. I think it's just my moral compass in who I am as a person to just show up for my friends. Like, if you my friend, and you somebody that I consider to be close and you my girl and I fuck with you, I'm going to always show up for you in any way that I can. But I've noticed over the years, just because I'm that friend, it isn't going to automatically make other people that same way. And so I've Just learned to start telling people no more too.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah.

[Draya]

Because I think that's when you start to feel burnt out, when you're constantly like, okay, yeah, I'll do it, even when you don't feel like it. And then you notice they might not want to do it, and they just say no. So it's like, okay, I'm gonna start saying no, too.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. Yeah. When you're overextending. Yeah. I feel like one of the most helpful things for me in learning boundaries is being around people with boundaries. I'm like, oh, okay, say less.

[Draya]

Yep.

[Lex]

I can say no, too.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Exactly.

[Lex]

I can do that too. Yeah.

[Draya]

Lesson learned. Exactly. But it's easier said than done, too. When you love people, you just be like, okay, I'm gonna start setting more boundaries. And then when they ask you, be like, I. Not only.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, exactly. I feel like it's also hard to be that person who people always assume is good, where it's like, oh, she's good. She got it. And that's why I'm not, like, celebrating that thing, because she. She always has so much to celebrate, or she always has whatever. X, y, z. And it's like, even the person who you think has it.

[Lex]

Yeah.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Or is always winning or still behind the scenes, there's always something. Right. Everybody wants to still feel appreciated.

[Lex]

And I think we deal with that a lot just because, I mean, not to toot our own horn, but, you know, we've been experiencing a lot of wins lately. But, you know, all this love that we're getting, it still feels nice for our friends to be like, man, I see you, and I'm proud of you. Like, one of my best friends shout out to Belyn. She sent me this, like, sweet paragraph this morning. And it's like, stuff like that means a lot because we get caught up in work a lot. Like traveling, filming in between, doing press, doing interviews and stuff. So it's nice to somebody be like, man, you work so hard. Just know that I see you, and I'm proud of you. So that means a lot coming from our friends and our family versus, you know, of course, the listeners are gonna be like, oh, my gosh, they're going on tour. They're doing amazing things like that. But when people close to you recognize that versus being like, oh, they get enough love. They don't need to hear it from me. It's a different feeling, for sure.

[Draya]

Yeah.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Especially if they saw what it took or they saw what season you were in before that, you know, you would think that they would appreciate where you've gotten that much more. But then sometimes it can be like a mirror to people who are maybe still in that place. Which is why I think sometimes when people feel like they're in a season of winning and the people closest to them aren't as happy for them, I think that's a lot of what it is.

[Draya]

Oh, 100%. You hit the nail on the head when you said that. Because I've been through those situations as well where I knew for a fact it was just the season that the person was in. It made it hard for them to be happy for what I had going on. But then also, what does that say about you internally as a person? Because you should still be able to clap for others even when it's not your winning season. Because just because it's mine, it doesn't mean that yours isn't coming. And I don't believe that a lot of people recognize how important it is to have that mentality to get to your winning season. If you're constantly unhappy for people, it's never going to happen for you because you have that negative energy. Why is God going to bless that?

[Lex]

Y.

[Podcast Host]

It's so true.

[Draya]

Yeah.

[Lex]

And. And I can attest to that. Cuz when I was at my lowest with my $3 in my account, job wasn't going nowhere. I mean, I had nothing, relationship was bad. Everything was just going bad. I was still showing up for people, clapping for people, reposting, being like, man, I am so proud of. I was showing up for everybody constantly. And I always, like, my mom always told me, when you put good energy in the world, it has no choice but to give that back to you. I've always clapped for people no matter where I'm at mentally, because I always knew that my time was coming. You know what I mean? So if you can't clap for people, like she said, it's never gonna. So it's like I try to understand that, like, oh, maybe they're not in a good space in their life. That's why they can't clap for me. But I was that person at one time. So it's kind of like you want to give people grace, but at the same time, I've been there. So it's like you're just a nasty person at that point.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I would love to also talk to you guys about this idea of creating our own luck because that's like what the show is really about. This idea that the same way we put good energy out there and it can come back to us. There's also, like a lot of things that we can do to kind of position ourselves for luck. So I would also love to hear about earlier in your journey, if you felt like there was a moment that was really a catalyst of either something that you did or decisions that you made that you feel like really set you up to be where you are now. And that can be individually or together.

[Lex]

Yeah.

[Draya]

I've always been an overly optimistic person to the point of delusion. I truly believe most people around me have always thought I was delusional just because of the things that I truly believe that I could attain. And no real foundation for believing that I could attain it other than just believing that I could do it. It's nothing that I can't have. It's nothing that I can't get, especially if I put my mind to it. And having that mindset has got me really far in life because I always believe that I can get whatever it is that I want. I always attract the things that I want. Of course, working hard and being diligent about my goals as well. But it's also just the belief in self and the confidence that I have in myself to know that it's nothing in this world that I can see and that I can visualize that I can't actually grasp in real life if I put my mind to it. And I truly believe my life is a testament of that. It's a lot of people on my Instagram page who have been following me since high school, since college, since my early 20s, and they're always like, girl, you have always said that you wanted to live a certain life and you wanted to do certain things, and you're doing everything that you said you would do because I put my mind to it and I never let outside noise deter me. I think that's very important. It's going to be a lot of people around you that are going to try to tell you what you can't accomplish. And sometimes it's not even because they hating. It's projection, because they don't believe that they can do it. They don't have enough belief in self. And so people are always constantly projecting, trying to tell you what you can't do. Don't pay attention to none of that because why you can't do it. You have all of the tools that you need within yourself to accomplish everything that you want to accomplish. And God didn't give them the vision. He gave it to you. So stay the course.

[Lex]

And I think I'm kind of the same I can't pinpoint one thing, but I think just because this is my path, I was supposed to be on. And whenever the opportunity presented itself, everything from us going on 85 south or me moving to Atlanta, you know, me figuring out how to edit things and the conversations that we've had that went viral or whatever the case, I think whenever that opportunity presented itself to us, we were prepared for it, because God prepared us for this our entire lives, you know? So I just believe that it's a little bit of luck and blessing mixed with hard work, because if the opportunity presents itself and you're not ready, it's not gonna happen. And I think that we were just ready. We are very driven individuals, and we both know what we wanted out of life. Like, always wanted to be in media and doing something. So I think for me, I was just always prepared. Whenever my moment came, I always believed, okay, I'm gonna get one shot. And when I get that one shot, I just need an opportunity. And once somebody gives me a chance, I'm gonna bust that door down and make it happen. That's the mindset I've always had. So when me and Draya got the opportunity to show the world what we had, they let us in the door and were like, oh, we here now. You know what I'm saying? So it was a lot of opportunities that we had that it was more so of being prepared rather than luck. I would say. We've always been prepared.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Ooh, I love that way. I love both of your is. I'm like, I want to dig into Boneless. I'm like, let me readjust in my booster seat so my feet still aren't touching the ground.

[Draya]

Y' all know, my feet just came up with excitement. Y' all are excited.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I know. I'm like, this is my favorite stuff to talk about. Okay, Lex, let's start with you. Can we talk a little bit more about this idea of preparation and what preparation looked like for you?

[Lex]

It's funny, because I think with me, it's just how I was raised. Like, I grew up around a family. I grew up in a small town, and. And I was the kid that was like, okay, y', all, everybody sit down. I'm finna perform for y'. All. And then my mom's like, go ahead, baby. Y' all better pay attention to my baby. She finna perform for y'. All. So I think just growing up around people who nurtured that about me and my sister was kinda like, okay, girl, what you finna sing for? Me today or what? You finna perform for me today? Like, they were always nurturing my creativeness and me being outgoing, so I was just always ready. When me and Dre became friends, she was just always laughing at me, being like, girl, you are so funny. Don't let people tell you that you're not funny. So having a village around me that just was like, yes, Lex, you can. Everything that you think you are, you're exactly that. So whenever these opportunities came, I was ready because they built that confidence up in me. I had people around me pouring into me, you know, and on top of that, I went to school for this. We both have our degrees in mass communications and journalism, so I was very prepared when the cameras came on. I was there. And also, a lot of times, people don't realize we're. They feel like we're popping up everywhere. If you go online and look at our oldest video, we've been filming on YouTube since 2017, so it's not like we just started and we popped up here overnight. We have been working consistently for almost 10 years, so we were very prepared for the opportunities by just simply working, being consistent, and showing up even when nobody was watching. So I think the point of being prepared was just. I've literally been putting in work my entire life.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Putting in those reps.

[Lex]

Yes.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

It's so important.

[Lex]

Very, very. It's a skill. Everything is a skill that can be learned. And I think conversation is a skill, and we have mastered that. It's like, if there's something, any kind of element that we want to add to the show, we're like, okay, we want to do this. Let's get good at it. Let's figure it out and work it out. You know what I mean? Even with performing on stage, being on stage and sitting on a couch is two totally different beasts. So that's another element that we were like, okay, we wanna do this, but make sure. We wanna make sure we can do it right. So a lot of times people just see us on the camera having fun, but it's like a lot of work goes into every little thing that we do. For sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Exactly. Exactly. And, Andrea, I wanna come back to what you said about how you always had this sense of really strong self belief, and you set a really good point in there where people who may try to knock you off of that aren't even necessarily hating, per se, but it's just like they're. They're speaking from their limited point of view. I think a lot of people let that get to Them. Do you feel like you have kind of advice for people who feel like a man? These other people are getting in my head, but I know I have this vision for who I want to be. How would you encourage them to stick with it?

[Draya]

I would just say, honestly, pray a lot. I mean, and obviously everybody isn't religious, so, I mean, that's my advice to people who are. I think you should pray a lot, be tuned in with God, but also write things down all the time. Like, you have to write in your journal. You have to write your goals out, because then a lot of time people don't realize the small progress that they're making because they're not tracking their progress. So it's like, if you're writing down your goals, you'll realize a year from now, I did all of this, that I didn't even realize that I did and that I. That I set out to accomplish, but I wrote it down and I was taking it off as I was going. And so then when you have people around you, people don't. A lot of the time, people don't like to count the small wins. They only look at the big wins. So you could have, like, if. If your goal was to start a podcast, okay, this year, you started it this year, you ended up doing 52 episodes. You didn't miss a week. Your podcast might not have taken off yet, but you've stayed consistent and you stayed the course. That's still a step to get to where you're trying to go. So don't discredit yourself for that. Other people around you might be like, girl, you've been doing that for a year, but you still ain't making no money. The money gonna come. Just stay the course and just keep in mind what you have already done and give yourself a pat on the back for that. Because being consistent is the hardest thing that most people struggle with. That's why most people can't become successful, because they can't stay consistent.

[Lex]

Yeah.

[Draya]

So give yourself a pat on the back for the small wins and reward yourself for it, too. Like, if you check something off of your checklist, go buy yourself something nice. Go take yourself to the spa. Go get a fac. Do something nice for yourself, because you are really. I know that we do need community, us as people. We definitely need community. But you also need to believe in yourself first. Community is nothing if you don't believe in yourself first.

[Podcast Host]

That's so true.

[Draya]

Yeah.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I also feel like that was a very Taurus answer with the treat yourself

[Draya]

cuz Girl, let me tell you something. I don't deny myself any of the pleasures of life. Whatever I want, I'mma go get it. Yes, I'mma go get it, cuz it makes me feel good. I'm like, yes, I. I checked off this big girl. Go. I deserve a treat and I'mma go get motivated.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I need to be better about that. I tend to be a little too, like, frugal and too. I think, like, I could be served from, like, not being so strict.

[Draya]

What's your sign? With myself?

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I'm a Leo.

[Draya]

Oh, okay.

[Lex]

I was gonna say I'm the same way. And I've just started kind of like, okay, you deserve to do this for yourself. Because I'm. That's she, that's me. I'm the frugal one. I'm always like, I'm not doing that. I'm not spinning that. Let me see. So I've just started to do what Drea said and just like, you know what? You deserve this clap for yourself. Pat on the back. Because I'm very. I'm extremely hard on myself and I'm like, okay, you're not doing enough. And like, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Six months ago, I was wanting to do what I'm doing now or reach this milestone that I wanted to reach now. And I forgot because, you know, I wasn't writing it down and I wasn't patting myself on the back. So I'm the same way.

[Draya]

We're Leo Bag twins.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

And I think we're like the exact same age. We might be just like a couple days apart.

[Lex]

Yeah, I'll be 37.

[Draya]

Me too.

[Lex]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Draya]

And y'. All 89, baby. But yes. I don't know. I just.

[Lex]

I.

[Draya]

And I only I say that because I started doing that, I think, back in like 2020, after my dad passed away, I became really intentional about writing my goals down every quarter and then checking things off once, you know, I accomplished the goal and it was 2021. I had wrote something down in my journal, and then I went back and I checked it maybe six months later and I had accomplished it. And I didn't even realize it until I went back and looked in my journal. You get what I'm saying? So that's why I think it' important. And as far as, like, being frugal too, I get where y' all coming from, cuz some cuz I I could be. It's not that I'm cheap, but I like to put my money into things where it's Going to grow, where it's going to make me more money. So what I like to do is as long as I handle my financial goals for that month and I've saved up a certain amount of money or I put a certain amount of money in the stock market, then I'm like, okay, I got a little money to play with, but I handle the business first. And it makes me feel better about spending on leisure. Cuz I'm like, I know I put this away so I can go play with this, this little money that I got live.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, I feel like that's a good way to go about it though. Because then it's like, okay, you're still hitting your goal.

[Draya]

Right.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

You're not depriving yourself of, you know, first things first, but then you can still enjoy.

[Draya]

Yeah, you gotta handle that. I think that's where a lot of people mess up. They want to just go splurge and they don't be putting nothing to the side for a rainy day. You gotta put some money to the side and make sure that you straight for the years to come. Because this economy don't even get me started.

[Podcast Host]

It's rough out here, especially when you're

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

entrepreneurial and it's like things are up one minute down and you don't know. You have to like create that stability for yourself, which is hard.

[Draya]

Yeah, because we've had months like that. Like, I mean, like you said, being an entrepreneur, it'll be months where you'll make like eight. I mean, not eight figures.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

We ain't even.

[Lex]

I was like, what month we doing like that?

[Draya]

We ain't there yet. We ain't there yet. But we have had six figure months. We've had months where we've made six figures and then we've had months where we made like five.

[Lex]

Yeah. And then when we made that five figures, we had to pay everybody, so we were left with zero.

[Draya]

You got to make sure you pay your staff first, we come last. So yeah, that's the thing about entrepreneurship. The money fluctuates. There's no set amount every month that you can depend on. And that is part of the stability that I miss about having an actual job. Like, you know, you going to get that check every two weeks and you know exactly how much it's going to

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

be exactly over and over. Creating that stability for yourself is hard. It's really hard. It is, yeah.

[Lex]

But I do enjoy it. I will say, like me going back into the theme of feeling so lucky, like, it's a lot of like scariness and, you know, being prepared and all this work. But when I say, like, every morning, like every morning I just wake up and I really, I thank God because I'm so blessed to be able to be doing what I love. And like, sometimes, and I mean, I don't mean to, like, be bragging or anything, but like, sometimes we'll get a check and I'm like, like, I used to literally work for two years to get a check like this. Like, everything that I will make in two years is like this check that I'm getting for like one payment for something. So, you know, all the blood, sweat and tears and the stress and the anxiety is so worth it because I feel like me and Dre are doing what we were called to do. And it's like all we want to do is just make people feel good and create a safe space for, you know, women and I guess men now. Cause they listening, you know what I'm saying? So it's. It's such a good feeling and it's such a blessing to be able to do this.

[Podcast Host]

For sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

This is a safe space to brag. We want the girls to know what's possible, right? This is the safe space to do that.

[Podcast Host]

And our audience loves it.

[Lex]

Okay, good.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I would also love to talk more about this tour that you're on right now and the real people that you're impacting, how that's been for you, why touring and meeting your community is important to you.

[Draya]

It's just a very surreal experience because it is one thing to post online and get the love and the comments and stuff, but then the thing about online is just as much as you get good comments, you get some bad ones sprinkled in there too. And I don't know what it is about us as humans, but we tend to focus on the bad more than the good. So you can get a hundred good comments, but you gonna see them two bad ones, you gonna be like, damn, they ha. And so when you get to meet people in real life at a live show that you curated and that you produced and you put, like you said, your blood, sweat and tears into it, and then for people to show up and they paid their hard earned money, like I said, in this economy that means so much to us that people would spend $70 to come see us at a show because I know times is hard for a lot of people, but that's how much people support us. And it just feels really good because cuz Lex and I really started this without a plan. Like we was just on the floor winging it. We didn't really know what it was going to be. You know, we didn't have much going on at the time professionally ourselves. So we was just like, what does it hurt to try this out and see where it goes? Because we would always run into people and they would tell us how entertaining our conversations were and how animated we were and that we needed to record it. So we was like, okay, we gonna sit down and record it. And then just to see eight, almost eight years later that it's turned into this huge community of people. It's just amazing when I meet people in real life and they're telling me how much we've impacted their life. Like it's nothing like it. Nothing. I don't even know how to compare it to any other feeling. It's just a different experience.

[Lex]

I think it's like two things for me. It's like growing up it was like I was popular, but I always kind of felt like I didn't fit in. And it was just like I never knew where I fit in in society. Cause I was like, okay, I'm a beautiful woman, but I would rather hoot and holler like, you know. And it was just like I didn't know where I fit in. So for me, Andrea, when we created poor minds, it was like I found my community of people. Like I finally found a place where I fit in and I didn't have to be anything else, I could just be me. And people understood that. And I think even like she said with the negative comments, it's like, like we'll get online and we get a lot of love, but you know, we do get some hate sometimes. And we've had moments where we were getting canceled or whatever and I was like, you know what, let me just log off. And I went to an event and I was like, it was just so much love. And I think being in person with our community and people that are there for us, it reminds us, okay, you know what, we need to log off and touch grass. Because people love us in real life and sometimes you need to feel that because we're still human, you know, like, like it's just like if you're in a long distance relationship and then you finally go and meet your man and get to see your man and hug your man, like the Poor crew. They my man. I love them down. So it's just like, it's kind of like we're reunited again. I get to see them because we haven't been on tour in a while. So it's good to really gather and feel that love and that energy from, you know, the community that we've created.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, yeah. It's so true that. Especially on the Internet, in the comments, it's like people can say anything or it's very easy if somebody like, like wants to leave like a nasty comment or whatever. But if someone's going to take the effort to come see you, it's because they really care and they want to be there and they want to be a part of what you're doing.

[Lex]

Right.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Which feels so.

[Lex]

I think sometimes when people leave comments like, you don't even know what type of day this person is having, like, that could be their last straw. Like you. And it's crazy because I feel like the Internet is just like, y' all say y' all care about mental health, but do you really? Because you're leaving such nasty and vile things about a person that you don't even know. Mind you, me and Draya have never sat on any platform spewing happen hate. We make jokes, we laugh, we keep things light hearted. So we've never even warranted the kind of comments that we get. But I understand that comes with the territory. You know, I feel like everybody great. Has a lot of haters. So I feel like if we don't have people going against us, that means we're not doing something right. So I, I'm. I'm still working on getting my tough skin because I'm still very sensitive, but it, it's still hurtful, you know, because I'm still a human. But, but I've learned to, you know, like I said, go out and touch grass and realize we are way more loved than we are hated. For sure.

[Podcast Host]

Always for sure. I feel like I more recently started

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

getting people being a little nastier to me.

[Draya]

I saw that when you went by

[Lex]

and that made me so mad.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Oh, yeah.

[Draya]

Cause I felt like you were believe that.

[Lex]

You just did.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

So please, I mind my business. I don't do anything crazy.

[Lex]

It was a vulnerable moment you were having and they ripped you apart.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

People were like making all kinds of stuff. So there was part of me that felt sensitive of like, oh, people are being mean. But then I was like, oh, I'm up. Yeah, you're like the haters. That means this is actually good.

[Draya]

That's that Leo coming out.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I know, I know. That is like. But now I see the opportunity. But also, even with that whole experience, so much of the stuff that people were saying when they were being crazy was like, made up things that, like, weren't even true. And that also gave the perspective of like, okay, now I really don't care because that's not even come with something accurate.

[Draya]

At least if you gonna say something, speak some truth. Have some.

[Lex]

Exactly.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

So it just goes to show that people sometimes just.

[Podcast Host]

Just say stuff.

[Draya]

Yeah, they just be saying anything. Girl, we done see some crazy stuff that people have said about us too. And it just be like, huh, where you even get that from?

[Lex]

And I know this might sound really, really, really bad, so everybody just bear with me here. But I think a lot of times when you go through something online of being canceled and you're just kind of like. When you're like, when you look a certain way, people are like, oh, my gosh, I'm so pretty. Oh, my gosh, I'm crying. Feel bad for me. Like, they do that a lot. Like, they feel like if you're pretty or you look a certain way, that you shouldn't have any issues and you're not allowed to feel things or feel bad for it. So I think that's another thing, another layer that probably added on top of it. Like, you're a beautiful woman. So they're like, okay, she just complaining just to complain. You know what I mean? So, I mean, we've dealt with that too. It's like they feel like we're not supposed to feel anything.

[Draya]

They feel like, boo hoo. Sad story.

[Lex]

Like you're.

[Draya]

It's so hard to be all, yeah.

[Lex]

And it's just sometimes.

[Draya]

But it is. It actually really is.

[Lex]

Like, that's me. Like, I. I don't care how I look. I still have feelings. You know what I mean?

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

So I know one. One of the comments that actually did make me laugh when I went viral for that moment was somebody was like, you're in your early 20s. You still have time. I'm like, you think I'm in my early 20s?

[Draya]

I was like, okay, if you think that

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

and I don't, but if you right, I'll take it. You know what I mean?

[Lex]

I mean, that's funny.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I would also, speaking of going back to podcasting, I would love to talk to y' all about kind of the business side of podcasting. So I think it's something that people get very curious about. And you two have built such a beautiful platform and you also have Empire behind it, which has been like really beautiful to see, especially over the years. Can we talk a little bit more about the different points where you realized with poor minds? Like, okay, this is more than us having conversations. This is a real business. And the different milestones along the way.

[Draya]

Okay, we always say the first milestone was that $86 check.

[Lex]

Amen.

[Draya]

That was the first time we made a little money from ads. We got fired by the company.

[Lex]

I wonder what that means about us now.

[Draya]

I know they missed it. Regret it, Regret. I hope they see this. But yes, they fired us maybe like, like four or five months later because we were putting the ad, we were placing the ads in the wrong areas. So. But we got the $86 check and we was like, okay, we own or something. Like we can actually make money from this. So we kept going. And then I think maybe eight or nine months later we went on 85 south and then they wanted to sign us. And then we ended up starting working with this ad agency in LA called Paragon. We started working with Paragon and then we started making ad money. But like, like nice little checks, you know, like four figure checks. And we was like, okay, now we making enough money to pay part of our ring. Not the whole thing, but we getting there. And so then it was the ad money. Then of course, you know, signing with 85, their merch portion of their company is huge. Like they make so much revenue for merch. So they taught us about the merch game. We started coming out with rap tees.

[Lex]

Was it the rap tees sold out

[Draya]

and the rap tees used to sell out really quickly, girl. Cuz we used to be on there naked almost. We used to have on.

[Lex]

It was a different time.

[Draya]

We don't, we don't be posting pictures like that no more. But yeah, so we used to have on like our little bikinis and stuff. And they had this idea for us to start coming out with these rap tees. And so they used to sell out every time we were making money from merch then. So those were like the two streams of income. We weren't really making money from YouTube for a while because we hadn't figured out that you have to like buy bleep certain words out. And so majority of our videos, although they were getting to a point where we should have been making money, they weren't getting monetized. So we probably figured that out like two or three years ago we started capitalizing off of our YouTube channel. And before the YouTube channel we had

[Lex]

Patreon Yeah, we were always on Patreon. It was like a little source of income, but it was just something because in the beginning, early stages, when we started making money, we immediately started hiring people and paying people because we wanted to grow. So we went from.

[Draya]

Because we ain't want to do nothing.

[Lex]

Yeah, we didn't want to do nothing anymore. But also like, we didn't have the skill or the capacity to edit any longer. Like if our audience is growing, they and audiences now versus from when we first started, they used to be like, we don't care, we just give us the content. Now you got to have a studio, you got to have a set, audio engineer, you have to have everything. So as soon as we really started making money, we started immediately putting it back in the business and hiring producers and editors and things like that. So, so, but yeah, the Patreon money

[Draya]

was so, so then it was the Patreon money. And so it was honestly just a community of people that we had around us that was putting us on different revenue streams. Because people don't realize there so many different ways that you can make money from podcasting. Lex and I make money about six or seven different ways now. And so it was really, like I said, the people around us that was just putting us on game because we didn't know. And I, I believe that that's why a lot of people don't succeed in podcasting when it comes to monetizing it and making a lot of money from it, because they don't recognize all of the different ways that there is to make money.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Lex]

And I think also, like going back to what I was saying earlier, a lot of times people don't want to invest back in their business. They get their money and they just want to pocket it and they want to continue to do everything on their own. Like, we had to get somebody to clip our clips correctly and do our social media because we're waking up at like 7 o' clock in the morning. We're like, hey, we came out from last night when we supposed to post something. So it's like you need a social media manager. You need somebody that is going to really, really take your business to the next level so you can focus on the content. So I think that's why our content has remained so good, because we're allowed to focus on that while everybody else kind of does the technical stuff for sure.

[Draya]

And I think that's a really good point. Just upping your production quality. At first, I think people gave us a Lot of grace. And realized that we were just a. We were just a two man band.

[Lex]

We was.

[Draya]

Yeah, they gave us a lot of grace. The sound was horrible. It sounded like we was underwater. The camera quality was bad. But we were also in my apartment.

[Lex]

Sharon, a mic.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Sharing a mic.

[Draya]

Yeah, all I need is one. That's all we need. Word of ey. But. But I think people gave us so much grace. But as the show started to grow, we started to realize, okay, we have to start putting money into different areas because this quality is terrible. And that's what's going to help with gaining even more listeners and gaining more of an audience. And so we got a clip editor, we got a social media manager, we got a audio person, we got a photographer to take our pictures when we're at the studio to make sure our thumbnails look right. So all of that. And I know sometimes I think that that stuff overwhelms people when we talk about it because they like, well, girl, how we going to pay for that? Cuz we ain't even made $3 from the podcast yet. But you got to do what you can until you get to a point to where you can pay for it. And like she used to do our. She tries to start tweaking our audio for a while. Before we could pay for it, she used to get on YouTube and she used to watch the videos and try to teach herself. Because it's like, we gotta get this audio right.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

We gotta get it out. It's trying.

[Lex]

It helped a little bit.

[Draya]

It did, it did. But yeah, we done got off topic. We supposed to be talking about money.

[Lex]

Yeah.

[Draya]

But that's all part of it.

[Lex]

That's a big part of it on point. Because when you make those little tweaks. When we first started getting into a studio and our audio got better, YouTube money grew. So once the YouTube money grows. Okay, now we can hire a social media manager. Social media grew. The show was growing. YouTube money is going up. Okay, now we can hire an audio engineer. Yeah, when you put that money back in and you're able to outsource people, you're gonna make more money every time.

[Draya]

It's gonna come back.

[Lex]

Yes, 1,000% for sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Especially when you can bring people on to operate in their zone of genius for like the audio engineer who knows how sound sounds or the video editor who knows how to make good video. And then you get to be in your zone of genius. Instead of like trying to. Trying to do all these other things, y. It just. It makes everything better.

[Lex]

Y yes.

[Draya]

You'll always win once you learn how to delegate. You can't do everything yourself. And I am big on it. I like to focus on what I'm good at and that's what's going to keep the business running. Me doing my part. And then I'mma bring you in so you could do your part. Because I don't enjoy doing that part of it. But you're really good at it. So let's hire you.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Exactly. Exactly. What was your very first hire? Was it like editing or producer?

[Lex]

It was Tahir, wasn't it?

[Draya]

It was. And he was like multi purpose. He used to do everything.

[Lex]

So we could only afford. We could afford at the time. So we had Tahir shout out to Tahir. He was absolutely amazing. We hired him with the red and black background day. So he was our producer, our editor. And he was doing the audio?

[Draya]

No, Deebo was doing the audio.

[Lex]

No, yeah, Deebo was doing the audio, but he was producing and editing. Would he do clips too? Was he doing our clips?

[Draya]

I think he was helping us.

[Lex]

Yeah, he was doing our clips as well. So he was kind of like a one man band as well. But he definitely, definitely helped. He was in our era of getting the show, like to the growth, the real big growth of it, you know. And then once we moved studios, we got like a whole, like we have a whole entire team now. We have a bartender, we got a whole, the whole shebang. So yeah, our first hire was definitely the producer. Director though, like, that definitely upped the production quality by a million. It did.

[Podcast Host]

For sure, for sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

So helpful.

[Lex]

Yes.

[Draya]

I remember my.

[Podcast Host]

Well, when I first.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I think I had the blue Yeti back when I first started, like 2018. The little white plastic, like the snowball.

[Lex]

Yes.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

And I was editing in garage bands. The second I had two nickels, I was like, if I get on upwork, anybody. Anybody else do this?

[Lex]

Yes.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

To edit it and get, you know, get it together. So I wholeheartedly understand.

[Draya]

You get it, girl. And look at you now. You like us with a whole set and everything.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

You know, Blood, sweat and tears.

[Draya]

Sweat and tears started from the bottom. Now we.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Exactly, exactly. But I do really appreciate you breaking down those different streams and just the different areas that it takes to grow. And once you get something from one area and you invest it in the other, like those are the types of conversations that I love. And I think that's the stuff that people who are curious about what we do don't get to hear.

[Lex]

Right. For sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

So it's really helpful yeah, yeah, I

[Draya]

would say for sure. To the people out there, if you have a podcast and you're trying to figure out how to monetize it, try to at least get your views up to 10,000 views. A once you do that, you can start working with ad agents. You gotta hit that 10,000.

[Lex]

Yeah, you have to hit that 10,000 and you'll have income coming in. But they always say that 50,000 is the sweet spot. Like when you get that 50,000, that's when you can really start. Like you'll see some checks that are. But when you hit that 100,000, that's when you probably quit your job. If you getting 100,000 consistently, for sure. Yeah. But 10,000, it's like you can have money to invest back in, you know. And then for podcast who. I always tell people you have to have a video element. Podcasting is. I know it's traditionally just audio, but you have to have audio and video. Like absolutely have to.

[Draya]

You have to at this point because we're like the new TV shows in

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

the year of our Lord 2026. You definitely do have to. I started podcasting because I didn't want to be on video. So it took me a long time to really wrap my head around that because I didn't want videos. I did it because. Because I like purely wanted audio. And I was so resistant, but I couldn't. It was either VIN or go back to corporate. And so I had to make sure I had to turn on the ring light and say, there we go.

[Draya]

And that's funny that you said that because surprisingly enough, we went through a phase where we weren't posting videos either. Like we started with Wind Down Wednesday and then when we transitioned and we changed it to a podcast and changed the name Support my minds. That first year, we weren't dropping visuals on YouTube because I think so many people around us that had popular podcasts at the time was like, y' all need to focus on audio. So we were just strictly focusing on audio. And then we decided to bring the video element back because we just felt like we had to. It's just so us. We're so animated. Like, you need to see us in real time while we're talking. So we decided to bring it back, but we didn't do it for a year.

[Lex]

Yeah. And I'm not going to lie, when our videos started popping off, a lot of people were like, oh, we need to bring videos in. Like a lot of people did. I'm not saying that we started cuz we didn't but when we started adding our video element Heavy and they started seeing our numbers, they're like, oh, yeah, we need to do video type. Yeah, for sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah, it's definitely worth it. And in a lot of ways, it is kind of like the new TV. Because a lot of shows on YouTube and stuff like that have way more reach than things that are like, traditional network. Like, I even think about talk shows and I'm like, I've never. I see the clip, I see the spirit tunnel.

[Lex]

Because we don't have. We stream everything. We got Netflix, Hulu, hbo, Max. Like, nobody really. I don't know anybody of my friends that has cable. Like, nobody I know has cable. Yeah, I can't.

[Podcast Host]

I don't know where to watch it.

[Draya]

It's no point. Yeah, we stream everything.

[Lex]

Like you said, like, people. Well, I know people, like, they have YouTube TV, so maybe they'll catch things there. But you people watch YouTube. It is.

[Podcast Host]

It's where you can reach anybody.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. Yeah. So before we get into rapid fire, I would love to hear something that each of you is looking forward to, especially this episode we're heading into, like, Lucky Girl Summer. What would a Lucky Girl Summer look

[Podcast Host]

like for each of you?

[Draya]

Oh, something that I'm looking forward to the whole tour being sold out. I'm looking forward to the tour in general just because we haven't went on tour in almost three years. So I'm excited to get back out and, like, interact with our listeners and our supporters. So I'm really excited about that. And we finally on tour when it's hot outside. Thank God. The last two tours that we went on, it was in the winter, the fall, and the Winter Girl. So it was so cold. We was in Detroit in the cold, in the cold months, in Chicago in the cold months. So I'm glad that it's like summertime. It's going to be nice everywhere. We can enjoy the weather while we're out there. So I'm just looking forward to the tour. But I will feel like a very lucky girl if the whole tour sold out. So far.

[Lex]

Far.

[Draya]

I think it's eight cities and then we still have five that haven't sold out yet. But, yeah, fingers crossed.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Draya]

Sold out tour.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I love it.

[Lex]

Something that I'm looking forward to do and feeling like a lucky girl is after tour is over, I'm going to take the most luxurious vacation. I promise myself that. I mean, I know tour is going to go great because we have been, you know, working hard and preparing for it. So that's what I'm looking forward to. I'm going to have a lucky girl vacation.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Lex]

Like I want to say, like, I. I have taken some really, really nice vacations, but I want to do like, a very luxurious vacation, like something I've never done before. So that's something I'm looking forward to do. Like, after tour, for sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Where do you want to go?

[Lex]

You know, I'm thinking of a little Italy, you know? Cause around the time tour is going to be around Tuscany. You know what I'm saying? You know, you eat some pasta and just float down the river on a boat. And I think tours should be ending around my birthday. If we add or. I mean, I think I'm like 90% sure we're going to add another date. You know, I don't want to say nothing yet. I don't know if we're going to.

[Draya]

I already said it.

[Lex]

Oh, well, we.

[Draya]

The London date.

[Lex]

Yeah, we add the London date.

[Draya]

I was like, did we say that or not?

[Lex]

So, you know, I'm 90% sure we are going to do a London date. So it'll probably be like, after the London day. I'm definitely. I might just stay over there. Yeah, I might just stay over there after tour and just start my vacation. But I'm definitely going to take a week, do not disturb and just have a good time.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Phone off and just enjoy.

[Lex]

Absolutely.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

I love it. That's giving lucky girl summer for sure. So before we go, I gotta do a rapid fire.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. For our poor minds.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Rapid fire. A moment when you knew poor minds

[Podcast Host]

was changing your life.

[Draya]

The first tour.

[Podcast Host]

The first tour.

[Draya]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Lex]

When I quit my job.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

That's a big one. Yes. One thing people misunderstand about podcasting, that

[Draya]

it's real business that's getting handled behind the scenes. We don't just sit in front of the camera and. And talk and everybody else is handling things. Like, no, we running a business.

[Lex]

And I'll say not just about podcasting, more specific to us, that we're independent and we fund everything ourselves. Like, we don't have this big corporate company behind us. Me and Dre are very much in every single meeting handling everything for ourselves. So I think a lot of people don't know that either. Like, we're funding this whole tour by ourselves.

[Draya]

Yeah. Just me and Ho.

[Lex]

Yes.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Truly creating your own luck. That's what that means when you're brain.

[Lex]

Yes.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

A lesson that friendship has taught you the hard way.

[Draya]

Let people go when they disappoint you the first time. Because they gonna disappoint you again, and it's gonna be worse the second time.

[Lex]

But keep your friends close that have always shown up for you. Like, you're gonna take bumps in the road. Nobody's perfect. We're all human. But there's a difference between somebody deliberately doing things and somebody just, you know, being human and kind of slipping up and falling. So I think, like, giving the people that deserve grace. Grace.

[Draya]

Yeah.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

The funniest misconception people have about you, that I'm extroverted.

[Lex]

I think people think I'm, like, outside loud crazy all the time when I'm like, I'll be at home. I love being at home so bad. Like, I just bought a house last year, and I've been, like, redecorating and renovating, so I've actually made my house too comfortable. When I tell you I love to be at home. I have my Bartesian. I get home, make me a little dirty martini, and I sit on my camera. I love to rewatch how to Get Away with Murder, and I sit on my couch, and I have a grand old time. I'm a homebody.

[Draya]

Love it.

[Lex]

That's nice. Yes.

[Draya]

For me, I would say probably that I'm bougie. Like, girl, I love a good hood rat.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Tom.

[Draya]

I'm so serious in the class. I be on my head, like, when I say I be having a ball when I'm outside. So I think even too, that people probably think I'm more introverted when I'm very social and I'm more extroverted.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

So, yeah, I love it. I love it, Love it. Something success didn't solve.

[Draya]

Ooh, grief.

[Lex]

Oh, I was gonna say that too.

[Draya]

Yeah. Grief. Losing my dad. It's something that it doesn't matter how much money I make. I still. It still comes in waves at the times that I least expected to.

[Lex]

Yeah, that's the same for me. I lost my mom in 2022, right before we went on our second tour. So as much as success that, you know, we get. I know my mom is so proud of me, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that she's not here. So it's the same.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Thank you for sharing a green flag in friends who are business partners.

[Lex]

A hustler, a go getter. Yeah. Like somebody who's not lazy. And even if, like. Cause I've had my times or she's had her times where we're not picking up our slack, she'll be like, hey, friend. I'll be like, okay, let me get on it again. Like, you know, so we can always pick each other up and we're not. But we always have the same goal in mind. Because a lot of times you'll see podcasts, they fall apart because one person. Person is just letting the other person do 100% of the work. So I think as long as you have somebody who is hustling and y' all have the same goal that, that y' all want to reach, y' all gonna get there for sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Y so important.

[Draya]

I agree with that. I will also say somebody that's not greedy.

[Lex]

Oh, yeah.

[Draya]

You want to be. You want your business partner to be money motivated. And we want to go get this. We gonna go get this money. We gonna figure out how to get these checks. But somebody who greedy and money is the sole motivation. All you gotta watch that. Cause they might cross you later in the end.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Exactly. Throw you under the bus. What's harder than people think about entrepreneurship?

[Draya]

Paying them invoices. Girl, I be sad sometimes. Like, I be like, dang, I could have went and bought some shoes or something. I pay this invoice.

[Lex]

Yeah, I agree. Honestly, too. Them taxes.

[Draya]

The taxes, yeah.

[Lex]

Oh, my God. Shout out to Johan. He has completely got us together. Make sure you pay them taxes and get on top of it because it can get real ugly real quick. And I'm just so thankful that we have a great accountant that has gotten all our stuff together. But when you run a business and you getting that money, put some money to the side for that tax bill because it's coming, babe, and they do not be playing. So I think that everybody that has a business and you start making a lot of money, you have to get an accountant. Stop getting on. What's it called? Turbo tax. And trying to do it yourself. No, don't get you an accountant. I agree.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah.

[Draya]

And like Lick was saying earlier too, people always want to split the money up. You got people that you got to pay, and sometimes people split the money up before they pay people. And then they be scratching their head trying to figure out how they going to pay people. You got to pay them invoice. That's the only way your business is going to keep running smoothly.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

You got bills and the business has

[Podcast Host]

bills, and you're in charge of both.

[Draya]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

What feels most important to you right now?

[Draya]

Just taking care of myself mentally and physically and just making sure I'm the best version of myself, of the woman

[Lex]

that I. I think it's making sure I show up for everybody around me. I think I had A long time. Like I said, I was dealing with grief, and I had to understand that this is a new Lex. I'm not the same person I was before my mom passed away. And I kept trying to get back to that. Like, oh, I gotta get back to me. I gotta. And I realized, you know what? That version of me passed away with her, and that's okay. And so now I have to learn how to show up for my friends and my family and still be present in this new life that I have now that she's gone. So that's something that, you know, like, I'm embracing and getting back to. For sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Yeah. Yeah. And then, last one. What does being lucky mean to you today?

[Draya]

Being lucky to me just means living the life that I want to live, whatever that looks like, waking up every day and choosing my own destiny and choosing what I want to do and being lucky enough and blessed enough to be able to just.

[Lex]

I think being lucky for me is just when you see somebody's life and you're like, man, she's so lucky, you're looking at somebody who, like I said, put good energy in the world and also hard work into the world, and they're literally just getting back what they've put in. So. I do believe in luck. I believe in blessings. I just believe in good people being blessed. Like, I'm not a person that believes, like, oh, you see good thing or good things happening to bad people or whatever. I'm not believing in that because a lot of things are temporary, you know? And I feel like, for me and Dre, like, this, this is the path that we're gonna stay on. It's gonna be an abundance of blessings forever. Just because we're good people and that's what we put into the world, and, you know, we deserve it. And I think that's okay to say, like, we deserve this life that we're living for sure.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

Absolutely. I love that. Lex Draya, thank you so much for joining me today.

[Lex]

Thank you.

[Draya]

This was fun.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

It was. I loved having you. Let the girls know where they can find you and where they can about the tour. If you're coming to a city near them.

[Draya]

Okay, y' all can go to www.poor minds.com and get your tour tickets. And of course, y' all can find us on all platforms at pcoremds.

[Host (She’s So Lucky)]

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[Podcast Host]

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