Newbery Medal-winning author Jerry Spinelli joins the podcast for a conversation about writing, perseverance, childhood, and the stories that stay with young readers.

Known to many elementary and middle school teachers through books such as Maniac Magee, Stargirl, Wringer, and his latest book, Fifth Grade Top Dogs, Spinelli reflects on the long road to becoming a published author. Before his first book found a home, he wrote four novels that were rejected and spent nearly twenty-five years working toward publication. His story offers a useful reminder for K–12 classrooms: writing is not only about talent. It is also about patience, attention, revision, and staying with the work when it gets difficult.

In this episode, Spinelli talks about why stories matter, why a writer's first job is to pay attention, and why childhood remains so recognizable across generations. Haircuts, clothes, slang, and games may change, but children's feelings about friendship, fear, belonging, rivalry, and being understood remain deeply familiar.

For educators, this conversation connects directly to writing instruction, read-aloud culture, social-emotional learning, and the classroom power of books. Spinelli shares how he begins with noticing, moves into pages of notes, and then faces what he calls the difficult middle of a story. That process gives teachers a practical way to talk with students about creative stamina and the normal struggle of shaping an idea into finished writing.

The conversation also includes a moving story about a teacher whose students chose to keep listening to one of Spinelli's books instead of going outside for recess. For anyone who has seen a read-aloud transform the energy of a classroom, that moment will feel familiar.

Listen for:

Jerry Spinelli's twenty-five-year path to publication.

Why perseverance matters for young writers.

How noticing becomes the foundation of storytelling.

What teachers can say to students about the hard middle of a writing project.

Why books help students understand themselves and one another.

How classroom read-alouds can create lasting reading memories.

Featured book: Fifth Grade Top Dogs by Jerry Spinelli.

Optional chapter markers:

00:00 — Jerry Spinelli on rejection, resilience, and becoming a writer 02:37 — Why stories matter 04:15 — Fifth Grade Top Dogs, siblings, and understanding childhood 08:07 — Paying attention as the first job of a writer 13:00 — The Newbery Medal, reader letters, and the classroom power of read-alouds