Jurassic Peptides / Cody Campbell vs. Actual Grown-Ups

Summary

Shutdown Fullcast – “Jurassic Peptides / Cody Campbell vs. Actual Grown-Ups” (June 24, 2026)

Overview

In this episode, hosts Spencer Hall, Jason Kirk, Holly Anderson, Ryan Nanni, and Michael Serber take the most Shutdown Fullcast route through a maelstrom of college football-adjacent topics—and then careen gleefully off the rails into everything from Ronaldo’s body to the social science of Waffle House to mountains, peptides, and the migration habits of coyotes. While always orbiting college football and its weird current events—including the saga of Brendan Sorsby and Cody Campbell’s never-ending battle with the NCAA and NFL—the conversation joyfully explores why Americans, like everywhere else, are fundamentally the same. World Cup banter, sports TV lanes, and a debate over the best three-album opening run in music keep the banter brisk, absurd, and smart.

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Key Discussion Points

Cheap Hat Tricks, Washed-Up Legends, and Athletic Bodies (00:00–06:39)

• The group begins with World Cup soccer, teasing a prediction about a “cheap ass hat trick” (00:00).
• Cristiano Ronaldo is compared to an AFC East stat-padder—good numbers, but in the shadow of true greatness (01:01).
  • “The only C I see is Cristiano Ronaldo, who I give a C for his effort.” – Jason Kirk (02:32)
  • “It’s mid.” – Holly Anderson on Ronaldo (02:37)
• The gang defends Brazilian Ronaldo’s “let himself go” post-retirement physique, arguing it humanizes athletes (03:08).
  • Spencer: “Athletes don’t just emerge from the rock that way. It requires incredible amounts of training and diet." (03:08)
• Gronk’s legendary COVID workout scam is lovingly recounted: he bulk-recorded his workouts in different outfits, sent them to the Bucs on different days, and “stole labor valor.” (04:12–05:56)
  • “He did do all four workouts. It’s not the way they want.” – Spencer (05:31)
  • “That’s Garfield rules.” – Spencer (05:39)

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The Coyote of Alcatraz and the Power of Peptides (09:01–13:37)

• An open water swimming coyote that lands on Alcatraz becomes the spirit animal of the episode (09:16).
• Spencer proposes that perhaps “anamorphs are real,” or perhaps evolution has “hyper-accelerated” on the island (10:13).
• The coyote’s “Alcatraz buffet” diet leads them naturally to discussing peptides, with shutdown-style logic: maybe peptides are powerful enough to turn humans into coyotes—or at least that’s what college football forums think (12:17).
  • “Do I know what peptides are? Still not real. Sure, still not real.” – Spencer (12:32)
  • “If that coyote can swim to Alcatraz and then put on a few pounds, Ronaldo can do the same thing, and we can celebrate both of them for their greatness and for basking in their accomplishments when they don’t need to be great anymore.” – Spencer (13:21)

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Brendan Sorsby, Cody Campbell & the NFL’s Old Money Lawyering (14:00–24:38)

• Holly introduces breaking news: Brendan Sorsby’s attempt to jump into the NFL supplemental draft at the last minute, and the hyper-lawyered response from the NFL (13:52).
• The panel skewers the NFL for “playing dumb,” relishing their role as “actual grown-ups” in comparison to the clown show of NCAA enforcement.
  • “The NFL gets to play dumb. That’s the funniest part.” – Spencer (16:02)
• They break down the comic absurdity of Texas Tech donor Cody Campbell continuously suing the entire college football-industrial complex, now extending his legal crusades to the NFL (16:31–17:57).
• Despite years of fighting for player freedoms, the crew admits the Sorsby battle is anticlimactic: “There is nothing about the supplemental draft where I’m like, yes, a justice must be here.” – Spencer (22:41)
• The importance of scale and context: if Sorsby were a better player, the NFL would probably “work with you” (15:51).
• Memorable moment: NFL as old money, sending dismissive legal correspondence “from the Hamptons,” “the most old-money flex ever” (24:38).

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Meteorologists, American Weather, and Building “Lightning Mountain” (28:11–34:46)

• Digression into U.S. weather and the unfamiliarity of World Cup tourists with “real ass lightning” in North America (28:11).
• Ryan explains: America’s lack of an east-west mountain range results in wild, fighty weather as arctic and tropical air collide (28:27).
• Spirals (in Shutdown fashion) to visionary infrastructure proposals: an artificial mountain range, “Lightning Mountain,” to block tornadoes—a “free kick wall” or even an “extended cab for America.” (29:22–33:10)
  • “It’s America’s exception extended cab. That’s what we're doing here.” – Spencer (30:00)
• As only the Fullcast could, the plan mutates from serious meteorology to plotting the revival of dinosaurs by extracting the Gulf of Mexico asteroid (“Jurassic peptides!”), then building a dinosaur-populated mountain chain (34:16–34:51).

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World Cup, American “Low-Class” Institutions, Waffle House Stereotypes (35:02–46:25)

• Joyful reflection on international visitors discovering the pleasures of Buc-EE’s, Waffle House, and American “irresponsible” institutions (35:15).
  • “They fall in love with all our unhealthy, loud stuff that is, you know, basically the same as their unhealthy and loud stuff.” – Holly (35:15)
• Holly and Spencer thoughtfully debunk the meme that Waffle House is a sure-fire fight venue, noting it’s less about reality and more about easy stereotypes of “where poor people hang out” (39:11–42:24).
  • “The meme…feels like…That’s where poor people hang out. That’s where people of color hang out late at night in big cities down south where everyone down south is dumb and poor and all they do is fight. It is so safari.” – Holly (41:11)
• Spencer: “Waffle House has created an incredible filming environment for fights. … The Waffle House is communal…Even the walls…are all windows... you don’t get that opportunity in other casual dining establishments.” (39:39–40:58)
• Jason: The place he’s seen the wildest fights wasn’t Waffle House but “Einstein’s—this sort of gay-owned, super LGBTQ-friendly consortium of restaurants in midtown Atlanta,” with memorable stories of street brawls (42:41–44:25).
• The logistics of fighting in IKEA are explored, in possibly the most shutdown of shutdown digressions.

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Stereotypes, Math Problems, Florida Man, and “Everywhere is Florida” (49:27–58:12)

• In discussing the “Jelly Roll” musical taxonomy and “music for people at divorce court” memes, the team reflects on how these are just punchlines based on appearance and class, not reality.
• Ryan delivers a thoughtful analysis of America as a “math problem”—that viral video memes (Waffle House fights, Florida Man) reflect America’s size, not its innate weirdness (51:23–54:14).
  • “America is a math problem. … When you hear about every crime across a vast country … it gives…a sense of immediacy … but you’re looking at…an incredibly concentrated sample.” – Ryan (53:51)
• Spencer: “The entire United States is Florida…everywhere is Florida.” (55:07)
• Holly: “I mean, honestly, I would argue everywhere has always been Florida.” (55:44)
• Jason protests, but the group agrees that everywhere is both “Florida” and “mostly the same”—in college football or elsewhere.

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World Cup Studio Antics: Zlatan, Henry, and the Demise of Alexi Lalas (62:18–69:03)

• Spencer and Ryan break down the ongoing “core breach” on Fox’s World Cup studio set, as Zlatan Ibrahimović and Thierry Henry form an entertaining alliance, leaving Alexi Lalas isolated and out of roles (62:18–67:18).
  • “All Alexi’s lanes are closed off to him now. … Thanks to the presence of Zlatan, he’s not even the good heel on the show. There’s nowhere for him to go.” – Ryan (62:06)
  • “Zlatan is everything you want in a caricature of a soccer player…He is the guy who refers to himself in the third person…He once said…‘You’ll have to ask God.’ The reporter: ‘I have to ask God?’ Zlatan: ‘Yes, you’re standing next to him.’” – Jason (64:06)
• The parallels to college football TV and “lanes” on ESPN’s GameDay: what happens when the charismatic stars outpace the old guard (68:32–73:04).

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Podcast Business, Plugs, and the Great Three-Album Run Debate (74:01–91:18)

• Homefield Apparel, Patreon ($4/mo), and Channel 6 newsletter get their due.
• Extended detour into musical greatness: Which artist had the best first three albums? Arguments for Outkast, Pearl Jam, Led Zeppelin, the Clash, Radiohead, Vampire Weekend, and more (84:13–91:18).
  • “What was the best three-album debut by any musical act ever?” – Holly (84:13)
  • “I don't care, suck my dick. Enjoy it or don’t.” – Jason, satirizing the show’s attitude toward naysayers (79:21)
• Serber’s band puts out a new album; the show is big in North Carolina indie rock.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Athletes don’t just emerge from the rock that way.” – Spencer (03:08)
• “That’s Garfield rules.” – Spencer, on Gronk’s all-in-one-day workouts (05:39)
• “If that coyote can swim to Alcatraz and then put on a few pounds, Ronaldo can do the same thing, and we can celebrate both of them for their greatness…” – Spencer (13:21)
• “The NFL gets to play dumb.” – Spencer (16:02)
• “America is a math problem. … When deciding what is or is not common…even people who’ve lived here their entire lives…don’t have a sense of scale.” – Ryan (53:51)
• “The entire United States is Florida…” – Spencer (55:07)
• “Everywhere has always been Florida.” – Holly (55:48)
• “All of Alexi’s lanes are closed off to him now…” – Ryan (62:06)
• “Zlatan is everything you want in a caricature of a soccer player…he once said, ‘You have to ask God. Yes, you’re standing right next to him.’” – Jason (64:06)
• “What was the best three-album debut by any musical act ever?” – Holly (84:13)
• “I don't care, suck my dick. Enjoy it or don’t.” – Jason, humorously channeling critics (79:21)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Ronaldo/AFC East metaphors, athlete bodies | | 04:12 | Gronk’s COVID workout scam | | 09:16 | Coyote swims to Alcatraz, peptides & shape-shifting | | 13:52 | Sorsby enters NFL supplemental draft, lawyer letters | | 16:31 | Cody Campbell vs. the establishment | | 24:38 | NFL old-money lawyer “flex” | | 28:11 | World Cup tourists & American weather, Lightning Mountain| | 34:16 | Dinosaurs/asteroid/Jurassic peptides | | 35:15 | American “low-class” institutions, Waffle House myth | | 41:11 | Deconstructing Waffle House stereotypes | | 42:41 | Jason’s most violent job—Einstein’s in Atlanta | | 49:27 | Jelly Roll, meme logic, class & music | | 51:23 | America as a math problem, viral events & context | | 55:07 | “Everywhere is Florida” theory | | 62:18 | The fall of Alexi Lalas in Fox World Cup studio | | 64:06 | Zlatan anecdotes | | 68:32 | GameDay TV “lanes,” Herbstreit and TV personas | | 74:10 | Ads, Patreon, Channel 6 newsletter | | 84:13 | Best three-album run in music history |

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Tone and Style

• Deeply irreverent, clever, and self-aware—classic Fullcast blend of high-level sports insight, working-class empathy, and goofball digressions.
• Maintaining an informal, friendly, but incisive tone (“I don’t care, suck my dick” as clarifying philosophy).
• Willing to explore both the sociology beneath sports (athlete bodies, Waffle House, memes) and the joyfully surreal (“can we build Lightning Mountain?”).
• Concludes with a sprawling, affectionate debate about music—cementing every topic as, somehow, in the Fullcast’s universe.

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Conclusion

This episode is archetype Shutdown Fullcast: a gleeful, insightful meander from the drama of college football’s legal back alleys (with Cody Campbell and Sorsby) through weird American lore (waffle houses, fighting, World Cup folklore) to cosmic-scale hypotheticals (mountain ranges, dinosaur peptides). But uniting it all is the conviction that everyone, everywhere—all Americans, all sports fans, all Waffle House customers—are, for better and worse, the same. And that’s worth celebrating, roasting, and podcasting about.

Transcript

[Spencer Hall]

It's still going and it's still 3, 0. Your prediction, your prediction about this cheap ass hat trick is looking strong, though.

[Jason Kirk]

That's all he does. It's all he does is score meaningless goals. That man, that man's entire career is just like a fart. Just a fart in the breeze, man.

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah, lot of. Lot of. Lot of. Well, this is hurtful to server and I don't mean it this way, but a lot of like putting up numbers in the mid aughts, AFC east, kind of. Oh, look at. Look.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah, but like, I don't. I don't want to discount what Ricky did, but I'll discount what like, I'll discount with like Chris Chamberlain did.

[Spencer Hall]

Sure, sure.

[Ryan Nanni]

Okay.

[Michael Serber]

Randy McMichael, like, I'll give you like, that's an overachiever, as evidenced by his time with the Chargers.

[Holly Anderson]

I think it would be like putting up huge numbers in the AFC east but losing the AFC East.

[Spencer Hall]

Sure.

[Holly Anderson]

Like. Yeah.

[Michael Serber]

Still describing the Dolphins, when did they

[Holly Anderson]

put up huge numbers? I did not remember early mid aughts.

[Michael Serber]

Early mid Augs. That put up huge numbers.

[Holly Anderson]

So he is. So Ronaldo, who we're talking about, is the wild cat.

[Jason Kirk]

You are talking.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah.

[Jason Kirk]

I'm going to get. I'm going to get on everyone's ass here. That is Cristiano Ronaldo or CR7. That is not Ronaldo. Re will correct you and say the real. This is the most insulting thing. So accurate.

[Holly Anderson]

It's when.

[Jason Kirk]

It's when Terry Henry, only the most popular sport in the planet and a player who gets way too much credit.

[Holly Anderson]

I don't care about the Miami Dolphins. I don't care.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, but Terry Henri said the real Ronaldo. So this is Cristiano Ronaldo. He's just, he's just a. Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

Anyway, so he's, he's like putting up huge numbers at the time when the goat exists elsewhere, doing superior things to what he's doing.

[Jason Kirk]

Yes.

[Holly Anderson]

So he's like the Wildcat Dolphins. Yeah. Except they were actually cool.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah. Like, that's, that's the good point. But they like, they did beat the Patriots that one year. He did beat Messi once.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, yeah, sure. Then after that, it's just a long series of Davy Duckings.

[Holly Anderson]

Right?

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

And the Dolphins won some games that one time.

[Jason Kirk]

Just that time.

[Holly Anderson]

And now they're just too old to exist. Really.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

They don't really move like they did when in the years gone by.

[Spencer Hall]

It's because of what we've done to the seas. How can we expect the dolphins to thrive. Look what we've done. Cooked.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah. The same sea that Portugal is on.

[Jason Kirk]

Only C I see is Cristiano Ronaldo, who I give a C for his effort.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, it's mid.

[Jason Kirk]

It is what it is. Midas mid ass soccer player.

[Spencer Hall]

I have a controversial thing to say. I think it's good that Ronaldo is not even close to his playing shape. No, that's not the Ronaldo I was talking about. Oh, he followed your rules.

[Jason Kirk]

Oh, you mean Big Bubba? You mean.

[Holly Anderson]

You mean Big Bubba?

[Jason Kirk]

You mean Uncle? You mean Uncle Ronnie?

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah.

[Jason Kirk]

Okay. I think some other guy.

[Holly Anderson]

Who's this other guy?

[Jason Kirk]

Ronaldo.

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah. Brazilian soccer legend Ronaldo.

[Ryan Nanni]

Okay.

[Holly Anderson]

One of the one name guys. Okay.

[Spencer Hall]

I think it's good. I think it's fine that Ronaldo has like, quote, unquote, let himself go because I think it is useful for us as regular people to understand, like, yeah, athletes don't just, like, emerge from the rock that way. It requires incredible amounts of training and diet. Like, I think it is useful when or on the other side, when you see like Joe Thomas or an offensive lineman retire and then they, like, they're just like 75 pounds skinnier within two months and they're like, yeah, man, I'm not eating 6,000 calories a day anymore.

[Jason Kirk]

I bought a bike.

[Spencer Hall]

I think these are useful reminders that, like, the athletes that we see, even though they have bodies like ours, they don't really have bodies like ours. They're not built like, it doesn't work that way.

[Holly Anderson]

I mean, when you think, yeah, well, like, it's honestly valuable because you think back to the time in your life, whenever it was that you were in the best shape of your life. And then you think about what happened like a week after you stopped working out four times a day, right? And you were like, fuck, this is so much work. Just like, you don't ever get to keep it.

[Spencer Hall]

It's usefully humanizing in the same way. I'm glad that Gronk basically looks the same because I feel like Gronk is the. Except, like, yeah, I don't. I don't. The best thing that any NFL player has ever done is win. Gronk skin scammed the Bucks during COVID work. Do you remember this story? During COVID workouts, the Bucks were. And all teams, they were. Everybody was doing off season workouts remotely. So basically the Bucks were like, all right, you have to tape yourself doing these, you know, running the shuttle or I don't know who the knows. And they were like, take Yourself, send it in. And that way we can like, keep track and make sure that you're doing your workouts. What Croc did, if memory serves, he like, let's say you have to do four workouts in a week. Gronk would get up on Monday, he, he'd go do a workout and then he would change into another outfit. And on Monday, just like shortly thereafter, he'd do the Tuesday workout and he would do this. He would knock them all out on Monday in different outfits and then stagger sending them in so that the Bucks were like, yeah, Gronk's doing all his workouts. That's fucking great. And in fact, Gronk was just off for three days, cuz he could. And that's why he's a hero of labor.

[Jason Kirk]

I. I would argue he did all four workouts.

[Spencer Hall]

He did do all four workouts. It's not the way they want.

[Michael Serber]

What a.

[Jason Kirk]

What a mutant that he.

[Ryan Nanni]

It should count more than he did it on Monday.

[Spencer Hall]

That's right. That's Garfield rules.

[Jason Kirk]

Also what a mutant that four NFL grade workouts, which I remind you, not white work. Yeah, probably pretty nasty.

[Spencer Hall]

Sure, he did for. Got all my work done on Monday, boss. Why should I have to come in?

[Holly Anderson]

That strikes him as the easy way to do it is to do the fucking labors of Gronk all at once. And then like, no, I could sit by the pool all the rest of the week. Yeah, I outsmarted him.

[Spencer Hall]

Did you? But I like, I fully believe that Gronk's life and his diet and all that. I bet it's not that different from broadcaster Gronk to player Gronk. And I bet it'll be that way forever.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah. Because Gronk will still be like, today's the day I work out for 13 hours and then I don't. And it's like, dog, you're still working out two hours a day, like all total.

[Spencer Hall]

And then it's pizza day. Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

Right. You need pizza day to survive. After working out for literally an entire day, you have not saved yourself any work.

[Jason Kirk]

This is where, listen, this is where soccer was. So ahead of the game because Diego Maradona was like, I'm gonna work out so that I can do cocaine.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah.

[Jason Kirk]

And then I'm gonna do cocaine so I can play soccer. And then I'm gonna play soccer so I can buy more cocaine. And then the cycle starts again.

[Spencer Hall]

Do you think golfers are mad at Tiger Woods? Because for years golf was like, yep, eat whatever you want and smoke and we're all, hey, man, nobody's out here to look good. That's fine. I saw your tummy. It's cool. We're having a good time. And then Tiger woods comes along and he's like, navy seal, workout, starve yourself. They're like, come on, you fucking ruined it.

[Holly Anderson]

I mean, at first, Tiger was like, what if. What if we acted like athletes who are playing a sport? And they're like, ah, move the T's back. This is unfair.

[Spencer Hall]

Mom, he's trying.

[Holly Anderson]

We're just here to walk around, man. And the racism, let's say some racism at him. That's the. And then. And like, then he does all the Navy SEAL shit. And then Bryson comes along and they're like, all right, that. Too far. Too far.

[Spencer Hall]

All right, all right, all right.

[Holly Anderson]

That guy's too much.

[Spencer Hall]

That guy's not fun. He's doing it for YouTube. That's different.

[Jason Kirk]

I want everybody to remember there were people in professional golf who very seriously said, you know, Tiger, he's just not flexible enough. He's got too much muscle. There were guys who were like, he's too fit.

[Holly Anderson]

Average fat asses. Like, his get off.

[Spencer Hall]

His get off is too. He's too weak.

[Jason Kirk]

He can't read a defense.

[Spencer Hall]

I could beat Tiger off the dribble. You'll see.

[Jason Kirk]

There were guys.

[Holly Anderson]

Can he hit a free throw?

[Jason Kirk]

There were guys in golf who were saying the same things that people said about Bob Devaney in Nebraska when they started lifting paint cans in a barn, saying like, I don't know, man. If you lift weights, probably just get real slow. Probably just get real. You'll just be. You can't move. You're not athletic.

[Holly Anderson]

If you're not the strong character, you get to be the fast character. It's like, no, that's. That's the opposite of how reality works. Strong is fast.

[Spencer Hall]

Uh huh. Well, I mean, like, we all know that the strongest things on earth are construction equipment, right? That shit's slow as hell. Yeah. Like, it's not moving fast.

[Holly Anderson]

Construction. Turn it on a corner. Follows video game rules.

[Spencer Hall]

That's right. Yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

What if they can't swim? Who?

[Jason Kirk]

I can address this question.

[Ryan Nanni]

The athletes, when they. I mean, when they emerge from the rock.

[Jason Kirk]

Sure, yeah. That.

[Spencer Hall]

Big bad coyotes doing

[Holly Anderson]

what? Coyote?

[Jason Kirk]

You get to tell him?

[Ryan Nanni]

Do I get to tell him? So this was last month, and I really thought that I would get a chance to work it into the show, and I don't think I ever did, but they found a coyote on this. Sound like some real Jay Leno shit. Folks, did you hear about this coyote that they found on Alcatraz Island? They found a coyote on Alcatraz Island. Coyotes don't live on Alcatraz Island. Which means a lone coyote swam to Alcatraz in waters famed for thwarting prison escapes. It's like if you've ever done this, may startle some people. I used to do a little bit of open water swimming. Swimming a mile in open water is where way, way different from swimming from swigga mile in a pool. This coyote, they think swam from angel island, which is two miles away.

[Jason Kirk]

What?

[Spencer Hall]

Okay, yeah. I want to offer a couple alternative theories.

[Ryan Nanni]

Yeah.

[Spencer Hall]

Number one, anamorphs are real.

[Jason Kirk]

Okay.

[Ryan Nanni]

Okay.

[Spencer Hall]

Number two, somehow this island has become a hyper aggressive place of, of Darwinism and of evolution. And single celled organisms have evolved into coyotes or one coyote at an amazing and disturbing rate.

[Ryan Nanni]

Well, Ryan, I'm so glad you said that because there was a follow up story to this. Let me pull up the San Francisco standard. Wile E. Coyote who swam to Alcatraz gets quote, much fatter on prison island diet subhead. Officials are monitoring if the canine is preying on the island's seabirds. You think this coyote basically swam to an animal crossing island that was full of fruit trees and otherwise uninhabited? In, in coyote terms, he swam to a goddamn buffet. This is the Associated Press update in May. He looked like a drowned rat when he ended up on the island. And when we saw him, he looked healthy and so beautiful. He looked like he'd been eating well.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah.

[Jason Kirk]

Puts in biology field notes, been eating good. He looks like he did all his workouts on Monday. I want to go back to one theory, by the way, the animorph theory. Brian, I think if it is an animorph, this is perfectly in keeping from what I have heard of the life of single men in San Francisco.

[Ryan Nanni]

Because the story about animals.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, the story. That too. The stories I get scientists myself. If a woman from San Francisco was like, yeah, a dude ghosted me and I asked what he was doing and he said, oh, I turned into a coyote and I swam to ALCATRAZ, I would 100% believe it. That is, that is completely in keeping.

[Holly Anderson]

Sure.

[Ryan Nanni]

Hashtag Negroni season.

[Spencer Hall]

Like how do we, how do we know. How do we know we haven't come up with some sort of peptide that turns you in? I don't. Listen, I read a manimals piece. I still don't really know what peptides are.

[Ryan Nanni]

Other piece about the reporting of that piece.

[Spencer Hall]

100% 100%. Do I know what peptides are? Still not real. Sure, still not real. But, like, I would buy that there is a peptide that, like, can turn you into a coyote, but maybe we don't. But here's the problem. Then the coyote can't operate the peptide delivery mechanism to turn itself back into human.

[Ryan Nanni]

I mean, it's peptide, Ryan. Have we considered that? It's in the ocean.

[Spencer Hall]

Whoa. Roll peptide. All right, somebody squat.

[Michael Serber]

That's just tied in. Pepsi.

[Ryan Nanni]

Oh, somebody get out of it. That has to already.

[Jason Kirk]

I used to drink that all the time.

[Ryan Nanni]

I was gonna say we'll be beaten to this, but maybe not, because nobody has set up the true jelly roll subreddit. I'm a little. A little surprised.

[Spencer Hall]

Give it time. Maybe Reddit's suppressing it at the behest of the false.

[Jason Kirk]

The false jelly roll. Jelly roll. The impostori.

[Spencer Hall]

Anyway, yeah, like, listen, if that coyote can swim to Alcatraz and then put on a few pounds, Ronaldo can do the same thing, and we can celebrate both of them for their greatness and for basking in their accomplishments when they don't need to be great anymore.

[Holly Anderson]

I don't think he can move that far anymore. Yeah, I don't know if he can walk a mile in his current state.

[Jason Kirk]

He's too bronze. He's too tan.

[Ryan Nanni]

Like an idol. He's a graven idol.

[Holly Anderson]

So I think in discussions of these things that are attempting to cross the ocean, folks, can I tell you about something that won't float? That'll be Brendan Sorsby entering the NFL supplemental draft. That shit is high and dry. As was slid across our desk just moments before he pressed record, The NFL sent a gigantic letter. Some NFL lawyer sent a large letter. And honestly, it's worth things. Worth a read to the Sorsby Industries about, like, hey, man, listen, you applied to the supplemental draft, like, right before the closing bell. And it implies. It says. It says just three business days. As if they couldn't have figured this out if they'd wanted to. But I don't blame them for not wanting to. And they're like, you kind of just said you want to play in the NFL, but you didn't tell us anything about this whole the NCAA found you ineligible thing, so had to search public reporting on what had gone wrong. And we discovered. And then, like, according to Facebook, the whole thing gets described in a way where it's like, yeah, this is as crazy as it sounds. Like, if you've been, you know, on college football Internet for a month A, you thought the whole thing was crazy, and B, you were kind of desensitized to parts of it. So when, like, an NFL lawyer goes

[Ryan Nanni]

to court and when they read out loud in court how this thing's working, you could see. Just see judges going the.

[Holly Anderson]

It's like, you hear. You see this NFL lawyer saying, like, okay, so at three different universities, you did this and this and this. And then you sued the NCAA to try to become legal. And then you came running to us.

[Ryan Nanni]

When you put it like that, isn't it.

[Holly Anderson]

It is very. When you put it like that, and it's like, it. It all boils down to like, yeah, we.

[Ryan Nanni]

You.

[Jason Kirk]

You're.

[Holly Anderson]

Dude, Donald's gambling stuff, and you can't come running to us, so just enter the regular draft and like, no, I don't think the NFL is morally concerned about whatever. But also, they don't want players, like, you could just bail on whatever and just come sprint to the NFL. I get it.

[Ryan Nanni]

Which they would if he were better.

[Holly Anderson]

I think there is a. There is a scenario in which he is good enough that they. That the three business days thing, they don't lean on and they say, all right, we'll work with you. Send us this documentation or whatever.

[Spencer Hall]

The NFL gets to play dumb. Where they get to be like, well, this is the Right.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Spencer Hall]

That's the funniest part.

[Holly Anderson]

That's the funnest part of it. As the. As if the NFL's lawyer hadn't had, like, what the else are you doing in June other than having meetings about what do we do if this kid applies to the supplemental draft? They knew all about him, but they're

[Ryan Nanni]

having a post, like, to play dumb. And also they get to be the adults in the room, which. Whoa.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

And they are. That's the comedy of it. They are weird.

[Ryan Nanni]

Like, this is the muscle confusion.

[Holly Anderson]

Cody Campbell world running into, like, old money, right? Not morally correct money. Old money, like, running into which, hey, this sounds like Texas Tech playing Texas Variety. But, like, just like it's reading. This whole thing is just comedy because, like, at this point, in hindsight, how else was this ever going to end, man? Like, like, Tech was going to try to burn Tech as a shorthand for Cody Campbell was going to burn every bridge it possibly could. And then the NFL was going to say, you keep that down there, man.

[Ryan Nanni]

Oh, and they're still. They're still going, this is. This is not. We thought we were done. We will never escape this story. Because about five minutes before we hit record today I did see it flash by on the timeline that the attorneys.

[Spencer Hall]

Jeffrey Kessler. Yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

Are. Are saying that this violates the cba. And I got to tell y' all something. I'm not going to read the CBA on a Tuesday afternoon to figure out what they mean. I'm just going to wait to find out how. We are still going to have to keep talking about this.

[Holly Anderson]

I mean, keep it coming.

[Jason Kirk]

I am the guy.

[Ryan Nanni]

Take all you got, man. I hadn't thought about this. You know what? I just turned on a dime. I'm back in this story. I'm back in. You know why you have gone. They're about to go from confronting NCAA lawyers to confronting the NFL's lawyers, while

[Holly Anderson]

also the same group of overall people confronting the Big 12's lawyers. And the Big 12's lawyers are also adults.

[Ryan Nanni]

Yeah, it's.

[Spencer Hall]

It's also like when this was about can Brendan Sorsi play college football, I understood it from the perspective of what he wants is valuable and high profile. Like the idea that you're going to be the starting quarterback for a team that people are picking to win its conference and go to the College Football Playoff and has a roster that they can maybe like theoretically make some noise and you're making a lot of money to do this. Like, I understood, like, okay, the. The thing you are pulling for is super valuable and super shiny. But in this case, what Brendan source me is going to, I guess, sue the NFL and the PA over is, hey, I want to make rookie money to be the third quarterback for insert team here.

[Ryan Nanni]

Cleveland.

[Holly Anderson]

Right, Right.

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

In our.

[Holly Anderson]

Like we did. We did a story on the site this morning where I think it was Nick Baumgartner who's like, who's going to pick him? And the words Browns or Jets appear

[Spencer Hall]

in the I want to be on the jets practice squad and I'm going to take you to court if you don't let me.

[Holly Anderson]

The Browns have like four bad quarterbacks and you're going to be fifth man.

[Spencer Hall]

That it's, it's. But like now a lot of the luster when you're sort of like, what. What's sake here? And it's like to not to be so anonymous on the jets that they don't even print a jersey for you. What's funny about this letter is that, you know, it is the most lawyer kind of letter, which is to say that lawyers love to tell you that actually you're wrong and you're wrong in four different ways. It would have sufficed for the NFL to just put one reason to just say, like, it's up to us. We've decided we're not going to do it. We'll see in 2027.

[Ryan Nanni]

There are some paragraphs here. You know what they also did that nobody else has done. And I. I hate what this is starting to sound like coming for me because this sounds like I'm, like, rooting for the NFL, which. Jesus Christ. No, I just mean this is like. I feel like I'm watching a video game battle and you have beaten the NCAA lawyers, which anybody can do.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

And, you know, and now I get it.

[Holly Anderson]

I mean, the NCAA lawyers, that's tutorial mode, man.

[Ryan Nanni]

But also, the NFL is the first, as far as I'm aware, the first person or institution to say, say in any of this process that playing in the NFL is a privilege.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, that's the thing. They get to grandstand all they want because they're the first line of defense against the gambling player seeing the field.

[Jason Kirk]

I do, as a tardy American, take offense with the. You filed this only three days before deadline.

[Spencer Hall]

That's early.

[Jason Kirk]

I called it before the deadline.

[Holly Anderson]

I mean, like, I stand with you completely on that.

[Ryan Nanni]

That's my favorite part of the letter, though, where they say, like, you didn't include any of the NCAA investigation material in there is funny in two different ways. A, the idea that the NFL is not talking to the NCAA about this, and they. They, you know, oh, I don't. I don't know. We're Mariah Carey gifing the NCAA investigators when, you know, hey, if you subscribe to our Patreon, you can hear about how this has gone in another direction before Terrell Pryor. But B, it's completely believable that Cody Campbell spent all this money. And for some reason, I completely buy the idea of him submitting a petition to the NFL for the supplemental draft. That's basically just a hand turkey.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. Like, okay, we wanted to leave that without question. My guy wants in. And, like, at this point, usually works for him. Because at this point, I don't really know who is on the team of trying to get him into the NFL

[Ryan Nanni]

because, like, no idea.

[Holly Anderson]

Campbell sees this shot down and he's like, oh, time to sue 8, 000 people to get him back on Texas

[Ryan Nanni]

text or time to find my next pony to back.

[Spencer Hall]

I also, like, I am. I find myself generally. And I use this. I really want to emphasize that it's generally sympathetic to, like, the Kesslers and heighteners of the world in that I think the decision of. The decision to attack the NCAA structure as. And immoral and. And illegal in the sense that players aren't bargaining for it is something that generally I am supportive of. The tactics I don't always agree with, the choices I don't always agree with. But overall, I tend to be on their side. The idea that, like, and now it's time to go after the NFL for the supplemental draft, that again, the air just all goes out. I'm like, this is. There is nothing about the supplemental draft where I'm like, yes, a justice must be here. We have also make this right.

[Jason Kirk]

This is where to do it. Yeah.

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

Are you going.

[Ryan Nanni]

One exception to this.

[Spencer Hall]

Okay.

[Ryan Nanni]

There is one. There is one kernel of justice, one drumbeat that we do get to keep banging for as long as this story goes. And it's. I think it's important for everybody to hear and for everybody to internalize and for everybody to think about why this might be. He still never bet on a Scott Satterfield team to win.

[Spencer Hall]

That's true. That's true. And neither will I stand with Vernon Source. I won't bet on Cincinnati.

[Jason Kirk]

Sounds like someone has no faith in Michigan. 2026 men's basketball.

[Holly Anderson]

I was thinking about that earlier. How, like, NFL, do you even know this kid is currently being sued by his previous school?

[Spencer Hall]

Okay, like, Jason, if it's not the letter, how could they know?

[Holly Anderson]

How could they possibly, like, NFL lawyer doing this? And I get it. It's effective. It's extremely effective. This playing dumb thing. It's great shtick. It's great courtroom bit. It works fine. Also, did he have that bullet in the chamber of like, kid, you're being sued by your previous school. Why don't you resolve all of this stuff before you apply?

[Jason Kirk]

When I read this, I just saw the opener as Dear Late Paperwork Gambling man, comma, like, that's it. The entire thing is addressed to Late Paperwork Gambling.

[Ryan Nanni]

You would only apply yourself.

[Holly Anderson]

Incomplete paperwork. Like, like. Like, technically, the lateness perhaps could have been mitigated. Like, if he'd applied three weeks ago, perhaps the NFL could have said, can you send us documentation on this whole. You are currently the biggest story in non NFL football because you're fighting to not be suspended for all your gambling. Just get a morsel, a crumb of context here. But with three days, it's like, oh, thank God. Not our problem.

[Spencer Hall]

NFL's like, World Cups on. Dude, I'm trying to watch.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, we're trying.

[Spencer Hall]

Come on, man.

[Ryan Nanni]

This was sent from the Hamptons. I would love to see the postmark on wherever this is.

[Jason Kirk]

Totally. This is. You're. You're totally right that this is the

[Ryan Nanni]

most FedEx in Ibiza.

[Jason Kirk]

It is the most old money flex I've ever seen in my life by the NFL to basically be like, I'm not answering this. I'm in Maine.

[Michael Serber]

I'm at Kenny Bugabung.

[Ryan Nanni]

Port Ibiza was completely the wrong read there.

[Holly Anderson]

We have been contacted by someone in Lubbock. What is that?

[Spencer Hall]

It does create this image of the NFL as like a big giant that right after the seventh round is concluded, lies down.

[Jason Kirk]

And it's like, I know I will

[Spencer Hall]

sleep and doesn't wake up until preseason. Is like, good morning. What have I missed?

[Holly Anderson]

Do you remember how many

[Jason Kirk]

who pronounces Texas?

[Ryan Nanni]

You remember how Karl Urban pronounces Texas in the.

[Holly Anderson]

In Thor Ragnarok, Texas.

[Ryan Nanni]

This is everybody reading this on the NFL's end.

[Jason Kirk]

A letter from Houston, Texas.

[Michael Serber]

Whoa.

[Holly Anderson]

Somebody needs some supplementals.

[Michael Serber]

All right, well, that's the welcome.

[Spencer Hall]

That man's 20 minutes of cold.

[Holly Anderson]

That man's throat is.

[Jason Kirk]

Throat is. So we tried to cold start that one. Boys, more sound effects. All right, we'll try it again.

[Spencer Hall]

No, no, no, no, no. I had to get one off to redo it.

[Jason Kirk]

Oh, okay, Mr. NFL Lawyer, I'm sorry. You're 27 minutes late for the intro. That was the intro. You're listening to the shutdown. Full cast. I'm Spencer Hall. Thank you.

[Ryan Nanni]

Enough.

[Jason Kirk]

I am joined, as always, by Jason Kirk Ryan, nanny Holly Anderson, and Michael Server on the ones and twos. This is the summer of the World cup, which I'm very happy about, but I need to go and let you know that there is a myth that we need to dispel. If you are a foreign tourist, if you are somebody who is touring the United States for the first time, enjoying your stay here, we hope you are. Despite everything, which apparently people are, everyone seems to be having a smashing time at the World Cup. This is because people like to hang out. People like drinking. People like hanging around. People who are drinking just enough. They like people who give them food. That's a big thing. When they go, man, how's it all going to work? And my answer is always, people will give you food, and then you'll have a good time. That's it. Also, you'll see some stuff where you go, hey, that's different than where I live. For instance, everyone in who is in Kansas City got to learn about American severe Armageddon weather. Very entertaining. To me that they're like. So you have a shelter for thunderstorms? Yes, we do. How bad could it be?

[Ryan Nanni]

It's kind of like the air conditioner conditioning argument again.

[Holly Anderson]

Did you see the lightning map? The global lightning map where it's like lightning strikes? It's like, where does lightning hit the hardest? It's like the Sahara. And all of North America. It's like, why do they have so many lightning delays? It's like, well, we got that real ass lightning here.

[Ryan Nanni]

I went down kind of a meteorological rabbit hole with this last night. We have. I guess this makes sense because college football. A surprising number of actual meteorologists in the listenership. And a couple of them gave me just frankly a sarcastic amount of supplemental reading on this. But the easiest way to explain why we have all this weather in ways that Europe and Asia and Africa do not, is the Americas lack an east west mountain range to break up the collision of arctic air and tropical air. And when they meet in the middle, they get fighty.

[Spencer Hall]

So we need a belt. We don't have a belt on pretty much.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, yeah, we need a belt.

[Ryan Nanni]

We've got the dry fit polo up top and we have the stretchy enough for church khakis on the bottom. And we gotta, we gotta keep them apart.

[Jason Kirk]

What we need is a free kick wall.

[Holly Anderson]

Right?

[Ryan Nanni]

We need a cummerbund.

[Jason Kirk]

Cummerbund. Yeah, a cinch.

[Holly Anderson]

It's more of a sash.

[Spencer Hall]

Can we build. Wait, can we build that mountain?

[Jason Kirk]

You know what?

[Ryan Nanni]

Yeah, my opponent doesn't want the new wpa.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, my opponent doesn't want us to build that mountain.

[Spencer Hall]

Can we call it Lightning Mountain

[Ryan Nanni]

Range? Thunder range.

[Jason Kirk]

The Lightning Range with Mount Thunder. Oh, I could get elected on this. That's awesome. Yeah. Kansas isn't doing shit. We need. We need to. Yeah, we need to build an add on for the Rockies.

[Holly Anderson]

Right.

[Jason Kirk]

A little perpendicular add on.

[Spencer Hall]

It's America's exception. Extended cab. That's what we're doing here. Wow. Who doesn't want the extended cab?

[Jason Kirk]

We're a big country. We need a big truck.

[Spencer Hall]

It's time to make this country ram tough.

[Jason Kirk]

Put a Cummins in this.

[Spencer Hall]

For too long the Great Plains have been a Toyota Tercel. But if you watch.

[Ryan Nanni]

Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second.

[Jason Kirk]

You drive a Toyota cuz you're American. Yeah. It's time. It's time to do this. We need to do it.

[Ryan Nanni]

You can rearrange. Ramstrong to say storm rang or storm narg, but that's not as good.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, my opponent doesn't want us to have this. My opponent doesn't want us to be great. My opponent wants Kansas to be flat.

[Spencer Hall]

Like, you remember for a while ago, there was that thing about, like, what if we built a river across the United States, east to west.

[Ryan Nanni]

This is just that.

[Spencer Hall]

But mountain.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. Where are we going to get the dirt? My uncle knows a guy.

[Holly Anderson]

I think it works. If your promise is to. Well, it's tough. Are people going to want to get the mountain, or are they going to want their opponents to be buried beneath the mountain? Because you can't just go around. Like, you have to be specific on where the mountain is going to go. So you have to lie to everyone about where it'll be.

[Ryan Nanni]

I got. Man. I was already 100 on board with this. And after you just. You just said the magic words. Bury your opponents beneath the mountain and. Oh, all right.

[Spencer Hall]

I'm looking happy. I'm looking at bordering states that would want to be separated by our mountain range that spans the entire east, west.

[Ryan Nanni]

We're naming this after you for a reason. Does Kansas play nice?

[Spencer Hall]

Does Kansas want to be separated from Nebraska or Oklahoma, for instance, Missouri.

[Ryan Nanni]

That's the problem. Dog leg there.

[Spencer Hall]

You think like a U cut.

[Jason Kirk]

A bonus. Bonus range. Bonus range. Yeah. We need a massive.

[Holly Anderson]

I think, seeing as Kansas is the state most known for tornadoes. Just build a mountain all around it.

[Ryan Nanni]

The truck stop at this. Like, what if we build, like, the QT of America just, like, right there. And that way we can just put walls all about Kansas.

[Spencer Hall]

I think. Yeah, I think this will work. I think northern, mostly. I think we got to bisect some states. Northern California and Southern California. It's time. We're driving them out.

[Holly Anderson]

They got plenty of mountains over there.

[Spencer Hall]

Yep. Illinois. You don't need a north. You don't need to all be one state. Mount Range comes straight through you for sure.

[Jason Kirk]

Illinois needs something, man. Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

I think the solution is mountain across the top of North Dakota, mountain across Canada. I mean, they got a lot of them.

[Spencer Hall]

Okay.

[Holly Anderson]

They got room, so.

[Spencer Hall]

But now we're putting the mountain in the great Lakes.

[Jason Kirk]

You know, we're gonna put the mountain over the great Lakes.

[Spencer Hall]

It's gonna hover. All right.

[Jason Kirk]

It's got an arch.

[Ryan Nanni]

No, it doesn't need to cover the entire borders. We'll have.

[Holly Anderson]

It's just our biggest. Our biggest wind weakness is that huge flat area.

[Spencer Hall]

So we don't need continuous chain of mountain from coast to coast.

[Ryan Nanni]

Oh, that's what I thought we were.

[Spencer Hall]

Well, now I'm out. Now I'm out. Now I'm not voting for Senate for Spencer. If we're not building.

[Holly Anderson]

How about. How about mountain across all of Panama there? Full continent covered by mountain. That's the least amount of work I can give you while still fulfilling the. The. The work order.

[Spencer Hall]

What if we turn the Gulf, the Gulf of Mexico into a mountain instead?

[Holly Anderson]

I don't think that accomplishes anything.

[Jason Kirk]

I think we need to turn the Gulf of Mexico into a huge. Like a huge heat exchanger.

[Holly Anderson]

So we're going to asteroid that killed dinosaurs out of Gulf Mexico.

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

And drop it back in, see what happens.

[Spencer Hall]

Right, right. And then dinosaurs will come back, I think.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah. We pull it out, dinosaurs come back,

[Ryan Nanni]

it will be a family again, man.

[Jason Kirk]

There are people in the Chinese government who are listening to this and they're like, yeah, man, this is awesome.

[Ryan Nanni]

I think a lot about whoever's been assigned to surveil this podcast for the CIA.

[Holly Anderson]

Cuz, like, the assumption is asteroid hits water, then boom, there's a huge cloud and the dinosaurs all suffocate and whatever. No, no, no. Actually, it turns out the asteroid is like it. It holds the essences of the dinosaurs within it. We must free them.

[Spencer Hall]

That's right. It's got the cork on the bottle and we.

[Ryan Nanni]

Peptides are in.

[Spencer Hall]

Jurassic Peptides. Peptides back.

[Jason Kirk]

It just. It just moisturized them. They're just like, damn T. Rex. You're looking silky. Looking good. We're bringing back T. Rex, folks. That's it. Again, America needs ambitions.

[Ryan Nanni]

Our opponent doesn't want us to bring the T. Rex.

[Spencer Hall]

Oh, our. Our mountain stretching coast to coast will be populated with dinosaurs, to be clear. Yeah, because where else would they go?

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, because otherwise we got to put them in the cloud. We got to put them in the cloud, folks. You don't want them in the cloud.

[Spencer Hall]

You wanted to talk about the World Cup?

[Jason Kirk]

Speaking of grand national projects, I did want to get to the point that Jason had made earlier this week, and I thought it was an interesting one, that there are a number of misapprehensions about Americans that have.

[Holly Anderson]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So this came about because, like, the tourists discovering America in mass thing has been cool and wonderful and great and like, seeing people come together from all over is like, as always, once again and forever the single biggest antidote to the things that we are lied to about ourselves and about each other. We all love the same stuff, and America has a lot of cool stuff. And no matter how much America sucks, it's still great to be here. And the, you know, the things, the things that are Cool. Are going to outlast the things that are uncool. So, like, seeing people discover our various low class institutions has been wonderful and fall in love with all of our unhealthy, loud stuff that is, you know, basically the same as all their unhealthy and loud stuff.

[Jason Kirk]

One of the chief themes of this, by the way, is that they're like, man, what an irresponsible way to live. This is awesome.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

And I mean, you know, I think to some extent that's like, you know, this class of person is everywhere. It's universal. It's nothing that we have like more of. We're just kind of don't know to be embarrassed about a lot of it.

[Ryan Nanni]

We do, we do have more of.

[Holly Anderson]

And maybe more than some places, but not more than others.

[Ryan Nanni]

I didn't mean proportionally. I meant it's, it's, it's kind of the same thing that you run into when discussing the. Just to pull up another European versus American trope that gets hashed up a lot online. You're like, oh, Americans have never been to another country. You can drive from France to Germany for lunch. We do have more of these people because it's a volume. It's a volume play. We have more of these by volume because this country is large and there's a lot of people. There's a ton of discussions that take place in the America versus Europe sphere that don't account for the fact that this country is just fucking big. It sounds like I'm oversimplifying, but there's just. It does just mean more.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, that's a big factor. And like Europe itself has a lot of these. We're so much better than America in cultural ways. Hang ups that they're wrong about. And I think a lot of other countries are less likely to put on airs in that way. I think it's what I'm referring to when I say this class of person is universal and worldwide. But a number of the institutions that are getting the spotlight include like, you know, Buc EE's and Waffle House and so forth. And, and that last one was the one that brought up something for me, which is for a number of years online, it's been a meme that, like, if you go to Waffle House, you're gonna get in a fight. There's gonna be fights, fights, fights, fights. Everyone at Waffle House knows how to fight. And like, I get it. It's funny, we've probably referred to it at some point on here. I don't know, probably in eight years ago, we probably talked about there's some video somebody throwing a chair at Waffle House. Whatever, I get it. But like, it's such a weirdly pervasive meme that like, first of all, anybody who's ever actually been to a Waffle House, there's a very low percentage chance that you actually saw a fight. I have been to Waffle House hundreds of times. Urban, suburban, everywhere, all across the South. I have never seen if I have taken part of with a art. My me and my dumbass buddies in high school, we had like this dude who was like dropping out of the CIA, who was just hung out with us. He'd show up drunk and we would like cook up schemes to go steal paintings from art galleries that we never actually saw through. But I'm pretty convinced we could have, right? I've seen a dude making his own chain mail armor from scratch, head to toe, over the course of a month while sitting at a, at a Waffle House, but I've never seen a fight, right? And, and when I say that, I know someone is going to play. Oh, well, you haven't been to my part of the country because we're real crazy around here. Like, dog, do you know where the I'm from? I promise we have as many crazy people as you do. I have seen fights at gas stations. I've seen fights in church. I've been in a fight at church. Like I'm gonna talk about that one. It is, it is not some like something where, oh, you got to be from this part of Florida. That's where the crazy people. No, crazy people everywhere.

[Ryan Nanni]

Crazy people everywhere.

[Holly Anderson]

And, and everything that is open until 3am is the same as everywhere else that is open until 3am you will see a fight at 3am at a gas station. The Waffle House ness has nothing to do. Everyone at Waffle House is actually really nice. At least chill. Doesn't want problems, doesn't want drama, doesn't want fucked with. If you start some shit, somebody will say like, hey man, calm down. Why don't you go outside? Like that's, that's as violent as it's going to get, man.

[Spencer Hall]

I think there is one reason why Waffle House gets this reputation. It has nothing to do with the clientele. And it has nothing to do like everything you're saying is 100% right, but by accident. Waffle House has created an incredible filming environment for Fracases and fights. Much more so. Like think about, take Cracker Barrel, for instance. Okay? If There's a fight in a cracker barrel. Cracker Barrel. Much more dimly lit kitchen is completely separated so staff is not getting involved in the same way. And the restaurant is broken up. There's little fake walls in between. Like it's all sep. It's all separated. So you're not necessarily going to have. But the Waffle House is communal. Is all forever like is all visible at all times. Even the walls of the Waffle House are like. They're all windows. Cracker Barrel. Completely different thing. Like shutters on the window, you know, not. And I think that is probably why, or at least part of why Waffle House has developed this reputation. Because if you are in a Waffle House where something happens as they happen all kinds of places, the circumstances, everybody's gonna see it. Yes. And they lend themselves more to like, oh, phone out. Get in a video of this immediately. And you don't get that opportunity. In other casual dining establishments.

[Holly Anderson]

I will completely agree that a Waffle House is laid out more like a Tekken board than most restaurants are. That is undeniable. There is a clear stretch of land. Two people could battle over it.

[Spencer Hall]

Sure.

[Holly Anderson]

And there is.

[Spencer Hall]

You can see where the environmental damage

[Holly Anderson]

actually The Street Fighter 2, the, you know, people in Las Vegas betting on the fight. You could absolutely have all that background scenery and participation and so forth. I get it. To me, the meme, the reason it bothers me really is like it feels like so hahaha. That's where poor people hang out. That's where people of color hang out late at night in big cities down south where everyone down south is dumb and poor and all they do is fight and scrap. Like it is so like safari. The meme that everyone goes there to fight all day and it's so lawless and like, and like first of all, it's complete opposite of the environment at almost literally anytime you go there and spare me the little jokey retort about well, not here. No, yes, there too. I just, I just really. It really bristles me. And for whatever reason, seeing it talk about during the World cup sort of brought it home for me. Wow, this really bothers me so much that like that notion that, you know, a certain gathering place that I have always found to be wonderful and reverent is actually this, that, you know, it's just this brawl all the time because it's a place where people who, who aren't like most, most posters hang out.

[Jason Kirk]

I guess I've seen several fights at Waffle House as well. Just recuse myself from that part. But I will say this.

[Holly Anderson]

I mean, I'm not saying they don't happen.

[Jason Kirk]

It's not the place where I've seen the most fights.

[Spencer Hall]

Well, now I have to ask, where is the place where you've seen the most fights?

[Jason Kirk]

The place where I have seen the most fights is at my first job in Atlanta, which was working at not Einstein's Bagels, but Einstein's, which was part of this, like, sort of gay owned, super LGBTQ friendly consortium of restaurants in midtown Atlanta. And you would think that's not the place where you would see fights. Bullshit. Oh, my God. I saw. I saw some shops get wrecked. I saw our mater d like, the guy head of house. I looked out one night and he was beating a dude unconscious in the street. Like, hold on, I gotta take care of this. I'm like, okay, cool. I don't know what this is, but I'm gonna go file these dishes back here, right? So just go dump the dishes, right? Come back out, and he's just tuning a dude up in the middle of Juniper, just like. I mean, cars going around him, not honking. That's how you know that everyone was familiar with this because they're like, oh, yeah, you know, sometimes you got to tune a dude up in the middle of a street in downtown Atlanta. That was the place I saw the most fights. When I was working there, I saw four different fights, and they were all, by the way, bangers. I do not mean one hitter quitters. I do not mean like kind of two dudes who can't fight. Bridget Jones diary kind of fight style thing. No, I mean hauling ass. I mean, doing work. Like, I saw it was the only place I've ever seen someone get hit in the face, like, square on, like, bam. And you know how in a UFC fight you'll see that and the guy kind of goes, oh, yeah, yeah, right now it's time. Now I'm awake. That's the only time in real life I've seen someone get hit full flush in the face and charge up and go, oh, okay, we're good now.

[Spencer Hall]

I'm ready. Let's go.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. I thought we were fighting, but we fighting, fighting like, it's. Yeah, yeah. That's the only place I've. I've seen a fight.

[Spencer Hall]

I've never been in one and I'm not aware of one, but I think it would be really fun to get into a fight at an ikea. I think.

[Ryan Nanni]

I think all the fights on IKEA that take p place are internal, emotional, and psychological 100%.

[Spencer Hall]

But, like, thinking about it from a. Just like the space available to you and the number of things. Like, listen, is a Billy Book case, technically breakaway material. Like, made for stage fighting. No, but it's pretty close. Like, a lot of the IKEA shit you could throw.

[Ryan Nanni]

Somebody does this. Like, the concluding fight of Mr. And Mrs. Smith basically takes place not in an IKEA, but in what's pretty clearly an IKEA derivative.

[Spencer Hall]

Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

[Holly Anderson]

Like fighting an ikea. That's what backrooms is about.

[Spencer Hall]

That's the first thing I've heard that makes me think, like, oh, I should see back rooms.

[Holly Anderson]

It is a great movie for anyone who, like, loses stuff. Who, like, you walk around your house and you're like, oh, that's where my pile of up chairs is. All right? That's where I put that guy.

[Jason Kirk]

I, I listen, if you're gonna knock my ass out, and if I'm in a fight, by the way, I'm losing. If you're gonna do that, what better ending to the fight than to be KO'd and wake up on a delightful and reasonably priced mattress?

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah, yeah. On a daybed. Yeah. 100%.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. We gotta be like, man, somebody knocked me out. Damn, this thing's coming.

[Spencer Hall]

I just like that you could run from section to section and next thing you know, bam. I'm whipping cheap picture frames at you. Bam. I got light bulbs and throwing at you one by one and, oh, now we're in the section. I just think it'd be fun.

[Ryan Nanni]

It's a little plaque up when you're done. Here's how I beat your ass in 400 square feet.

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah,

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. I fully. I hope everyone who goes to Waffle House has a lovely time. And if you want to see a fight, I hope you see a fight and that nobody gets hurt in the course of that fight.

[Ryan Nanni]

It's another layer of the jelly roll thing.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It reminds me so much of the way people talk about jelly roll. Well, they do the, like, this is music for a certain kind of poor person thing. Like, there's already music for those people. Why are you sland people by saying they listen to jelly roll like it's

[Ryan Nanni]

music for people who want to. It's, it's music for LARPers.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah. I've seen this described as, like, the J.D. vance thing. It's the rich guy's idea of what a poor guy is. And to me, that is like, whenever anyone does the this is music for guy at divorce court. Blah, blah, blah, whatever. Like, okay, you're talking about now a rich person's idea of what poor people listen to. I don't know who Jelly Roll fans are. I'm sure it's a. A range of people like anything else, but for me, it all feels like punching down and not.

[Michael Serber]

It's music. It's music for people who like mozzarella sticks with their Taco Bell.

[Holly Anderson]

I think the thing is our Jelly Roll, clearly for everyone. I think the false Jelly Roll is who I'm referring to.

[Spencer Hall]

Server. I think you're describing Jack in the Box customers.

[Holly Anderson]

Hell no.

[Michael Serber]

I never touched Jack in the Box. That sneaky some bitch will come out when you least expect him.

[Holly Anderson]

However, when I was in the Box, I had a friend named Jack.

[Michael Serber]

I was Jack, Jack.

[Spencer Hall]

They don't let you Jack in the Box.

[Michael Serber]

There I was in the box for that 35 days. 35 days for Jack in the Box. That's what they told me.

[Ryan Nanni]

Without knowing anything about him, still never having heard his voice or any of his songs or him speak, I do feel like Jelly Roll is one of those guys who can be absolutely bowled over by, like, a single scarecrow.

[Spencer Hall]

Sure.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, he is scary, brother.

[Ryan Nanni]

Like, I do feel like, like if you popped a balloon near him, I don't think it'd go well. I think he likes surprises.

[Jason Kirk]

That's. There is the thing where you go, okay, it's, it's, it's punching down. However, if I cite any of this from personal experience, because I saw it, you know, that would be that, like, the Jelly Roll thing as I. When you go, this is like family court music, right? I need some place to silo all this. I need some place to silo. If you follow Murder Brian on any of the social media platforms I know are Murder Brian, the guy who does the guy's podcast, he does a very good job of describing and siloing all of these. It may sound sometimes like he's just reading comments from Reddit and he is, but he's also a genius because he's very good at pinholing a specific type of dude. Like, a specific, hey, man, what's your deal kind of going on? He's very good at making you say, oh, that kind of guy. Right? That dude. And I feel like there's a Jelly Roll dude. And maybe the Jelly Roll dude really has been through some shit in his life. To me, the Jelly Roll dude that I would like to make fun of is this guy, the one who's like,

[Ryan Nanni]

I think the distinction Is this. It's. It's for people who want other people to know slash thinking that they've been through some shit in their life. When. When you've really been through some in your life, you know, ain't shit ain't funny about that.

[Holly Anderson]

To be clear, I have no idea what this music this dude even sings about. So I have no act, absolutely no clue.

[Michael Serber]

Trucks.

[Holly Anderson]

Okay, got you there. And the thing is, also, I don't believe that any of the people who have come up with this taxonomy have any idea themselves. I think they just look at this guy and they're like, he looks nasty, therefore nasty people like him.

[Jason Kirk]

I think it would be. I think for me, it would be this. I'm looking for the guy who's like, yeah, man, I've been through some shit. You're like, what'd you do? Like, like what you been through? And he's like, yeah, yeah. So I went through a divorce. And you're like, oh, yeah, divorce is hard, man. What's up? What caused that? And he's like, yeah, I was having sex with like 19, 20, 25, 30 different women outside of my marriage. Yes, thank you. I was gambling away, you know, some guy.

[Michael Serber]

It's people who have been some shit that they've totally brought upon themselves.

[Jason Kirk]

Like when you go, hey, listen, you got my sympathies for the general human condition and the beast inside that rages and does not sleep at 3am however,

[Ryan Nanni]

brother, this is music for the. Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my action set.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, when you put on your pro wrestling music, that's like, hey, this song speaks to my pain. It's like, my pain. I mean, you go, I mean, yeah, that's. That's true. But. But what was the source of that pain? You're like, yeah, I was doing meth and flying commercial flights for a living and didn't go real well.

[Spencer Hall]

Hulk Hogan.

[Michael Serber]

I hear voices just like the Viper.

[Holly Anderson]

There's so much music for those people, I guess is my point. Yeah, there's so much music for and by those people.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

Like, so many of the best musicians grew up poor and made, like, horrific mistakes between age, like, 16 and 29. Right.

[Jason Kirk]

That is oftentimes the thing that drives somebody to art and music are those kind of decisions.

[Ryan Nanni]

I swear. I'm not trying to do a unified theory here, but the Waffle House thing is also a math problem. It is also. It is also an America's math problem. And okay, listen, I'm gonna say the words the Atlanta Child murders. And y' all just have to go with me because I swear I'm not trying to do. I'm not trying to do a bit. Okay.

[Jason Kirk]

All right.

[Ryan Nanni]

The Atlanta child Learners are talked about a lot of times in this part of the country as the dividing line between your parents let you ride bikes outside 18 hours a day, and your parents did not. And what you're looking at there is a math problem. Crime is down in this country.

[Michael Serber]

Right?

[Ryan Nanni]

Murder rates are down in this country. Violent crime is down in this country. And what has changed is our, over the past few decades is our ability to access the news. You, you would not have heard about kids in Montana, you know, getting, getting kidnapped about, about, you know, a toddler in Buffalo who got hit by a truck. And I'm not saying these things don't matter. Don't yell at me. But when you hear about these things on. First on 24 Hour Cable News. Thank you, Ted. And then later on the Internet, and now beam to your phone every day when you hear about every crime across a vast country that I really don't think you can get. This is another one of my hobby horses that I will not hop up on. But I do not think you can understand truly the scope and scale of this country until you drive across it several times. But you hear about all these. You hear about, say, Waffle House fights happening out of how many Waffle Houses in how many cities in how many states in the country, but you're hearing about all of them in your phone, and that gives them a sense of immediacy. Right. It puts it right here in front of you, and it makes it feel like it's not all happening to you necessarily, but where you are and when. In fact, you're just looking at. You're looking at incredibly concentrated sample of a huge pool of data. And I recognize that I am on the shutdown full cast saying, think about all the Waffle House fights that don't happen. But, yeah, this is. America is a math problem. America is a huge math problem. And when deciding what is or is not common or everyday happenings here, a lot of people, even people who've lived here their entire lives, even people whose job it is to tell people better, don't have a sense of scale. They're doing, you know, they're doing the math wrong.

[Spencer Hall]

Can I, can I take that a little bit further? Oh, maybe, yeah. So I think the other phenomenon that this is reflected in is the concept of Florida, man.

[Ryan Nanni]

Yeah, correct.

[Spencer Hall]

And. But that has also swung in an interesting Way in the last, I don't know, five or 10 years, where I feel like we have. For a long time, especially online, it was like, Florida man was the character. What is Florida man up to now? What alligator wrestling, smuggling activity has Florida man got himself into? And. But it was very much confined to Florida. That sort of pulled a little bit. You're like, arizona's got some Florida man. Oh, Ohio's got some Florida. Indiana's got some.

[Ryan Nanni]

And I think that's heartwarming, frankly.

[Spencer Hall]

But I think in the last five or 10 years, we have come to this kind of silent agreement, but somewhat chilling agreement that it's all Florida.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah.

[Spencer Hall]

The entire United States is Florida is what I'm saying.

[Holly Anderson]

And I'll take it 10,000 steps further because everywhere is Florida. That is my entire thesis.

[Spencer Hall]

I'm not sure that Vatican City is Florida. That's the one place I got eight

[Holly Anderson]

people, first of all, and they tried to conquer the fucking world.

[Spencer Hall]

It might be Disney. It might be.

[Holly Anderson]

We got a bunch of gold shit. Let's spray it on everything in sight. That guy's got a huge hat. He must be the best guy. That's Florida.

[Jason Kirk]

Listen, there was a Pope beaten to death on the steps for fucking someone's wife.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, let's dig up a dead. Let's dig up a fucking dead guy and put him on trial.

[Ryan Nanni]

Everywhere is Italy, when you think about.

[Spencer Hall]

Sure, yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

I mean, honestly, I would argue everywhere has always been Florida.

[Jason Kirk]

Like, I'm going to be the one person here is just like, no, Florida is the worst place. And it's filled with dumber people that just filled with stupider people with worse incentive. I do. I know. I stand on that shit. I will stand on that shit till the day I die. It's a dumber place. The people are worse and they have worse incentives.

[Spencer Hall]

But I think there. There is a fair tension to draw here where I think everyone is right, where everywhere is Florida, but also Florida is different. Like, I think that's one of the challenges of being a human in the world is trying to recognize, like, how am I alike and different from everyone else? How is everybody else alike and different from everyone? It's. It's a really complicated thing to do. But I agree. I think the general thing we're maybe working towards here is like, reducing things down to simple answers on either side does not actually help you understand the truth any better.

[Holly Anderson]

I think my thing is I will always, no matter the context, argue people are like 90% the same, maybe more. And that goes. If we're talking about, like, people from various classes of countries coming here and realizing, like, oh, shit, we all like music and food and sports just as expected. Or if it's this college football fan base is so different from that college football fan base. Guess what? No, they're not. Like, like, okay, maybe this one there. It's more of an engineering school. That one's more of an ag school. And so they're, like, different in these five ways. Otherwise, they're the same fucking people. Right? This. You know, the more you look at different groups of people across the country, more you realize, like, y' all are mostly the same. You have different terminology, but mostly the same. And, like, I will always err. On that side is where I will always come down.

[Ryan Nanni]

It's my favorite game day poster, the one with the outline of Alabama and the outline of Mississippi next to each other. And it says your state's backwards. And it doesn't actually specify on the sign which state they're talking about.

[Holly Anderson]

What if we did that but replace one of them with New York? Yes, that's what I'm saying.

[Jason Kirk]

Parts of upstate New York are nodding real hard.

[Spencer Hall]

It's also tough for me.

[Ryan Nanni]

My unifying theory is that everywhere is Kentucky, but that's a different book.

[Holly Anderson]

That works too.

[Spencer Hall]

But that requires, I think, people to have a common understanding of Kentucky. And I'm not even sure we have that.

[Ryan Nanni]

That's why that's the second book.

[Holly Anderson]

I think it works even better that way because. Because I'm like, everywhere is mysterious.

[Ryan Nanni]

There we go.

[Spencer Hall]

Because we're all the same. I'm gonna do my best. Mac Brown invitation, and I'm gonna leave right now. Bye.

[Holly Anderson]

Always look at him taking off.

[Ryan Nanni]

Just practice for when he leaves us late. Oh, he's gone. Shit.

[Jason Kirk]

Just kidding.

[Spencer Hall]

Getting out of there.

[Ryan Nanni]

Just go. Leave well, like you always do.

[Jason Kirk]

Bye.

[Michael Serber]

Bye.

[Jason Kirk]

Good God. The TR Wizard. The other World cup thing I think is extremely funny is that we have positive reports on everybody. Germans love Texas, which they always have. Go look at their courthouses. Go look at the potato salad.

[Ryan Nanni]

Mexico. That are doing it for me, man.

[Jason Kirk]

Koreans in Mexico. Brothers forever, right? Like, so pure. It is super pure. I enjoy the street celebrations from those, though, because those are spontaneous.

[Ryan Nanni]

You know about that? About that particular one. It's. You see, I was. I talked about this a little bit earlier, but you see all these Korean fans online going like, man, I'm in Mexico right now, and I don't ever want to go home. And then you see the Mexicans and the Freds replying like, yeah, man. If I've been looking at Korea and if I was in Korea, I wouldn't want to leave. And I feel like this is equally true.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

On both sides like that. That feels like a perfect. I cannot explain it. I cannot do the math on it. That feels like a perfect cultural exchange to me.

[Jason Kirk]

It is.

[Ryan Nanni]

It is.

[Jason Kirk]

When there's a perfectly equal number of people who want to leave and go. Just have an exchange program, come up with a World cup visa. After you go there for the World cup, you got a year. Go back and forth freely, you know, and then after that you can look at other conventional means of. Of either immigrating or heading over.

[Ryan Nanni]

But yes, speaking of exchange programs, I. Based on, you know, childhood travelings, folks, it's not looking good for my Swedes. It's not looking good for my secondary routing interest based on my time as a Swedish exchange student. What's happening?

[Jason Kirk]

They're not good. And that sucks. Yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

They're not good at soccer. They're not. Yeah, fall in love with Norway's uniforms. And the Dutch have that stupid orange. And my poor Swedes.

[Jason Kirk]

Well, this is what Sweden gets for having a conscience about Nordic pillaging.

[Michael Serber]

Zlatan looks fucking hot on tv and he's cool as shit.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, I think he is sort of the. You don't get to be cool at everything, you know, it's like you got him like, dunking on Lawless to the point where Lawless just leaves TV and then.

[Ryan Nanni]

Yeah, we know, we know. Don't yell at us. He had to go to Portland. We know. Whatever. He was crying.

[Holly Anderson]

We all know what really happened.

[Ryan Nanni]

He was crying in the car on the way there.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. Send me to Portland. I'm gonna go.

[Michael Serber]

I hate him. I hate him.

[Jason Kirk]

I hate him.

[Holly Anderson]

Get him. Get me away from the handsome man.

[Ryan Nanni]

It's absolutely. What's. Man, this was. This was so fun to watch because the Lawless thing is broken, contained, by the way. This is. I. I've had two major core breaches happen in the last, like 48 hours, which. The first was my extremely non sporty primary group chat. Like, most of my friends in the real world do not do sports for a living or otherwise. And I think on like last Thursday, they were like, what the fuck's going on with this American guy on Fox? And over the weekend, an even greater wall fell. As my parents, we're like, hey, what's happening with this guy on Fox? It's broken through to the normies. It's so beautiful. And it's also. It's just a better resolution than we could have, than we could have ever hoped for for this situation, because we just. We could roll into podcast business if we didn't worry about offending too many people. Spencer and I just finished writing about this. It went up this morning, but it was something we didn't really work out until yesterday. Kind of in our heads that all of Alexi's lanes are closed off to him now. You know, he. His playing days are done, obviously, which happens to us all. He is on the outs as a US Men's national team insider. After all that nonsense with will they or won't they fire their coach? No, they will not. And now he is out in the cold and he's not a good analyst. So he's being outclassed in the studio by his own desk. But now, thanks to the presence of Zlatan, he's not even the good heel on the show. Yeah, there's nowhere for him to go.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, he also. He's next to Slotan. Let me go ahead, Jason. How familiar are you with Zlatan Ibrahimovic?

[Holly Anderson]

I mean, I know his bit. I know.

[Ryan Nanni]

I know Zlaton is a fucking lot.

[Jason Kirk]

What do you think is. What do you think his bit is? I want to be clear on this. A lot.

[Holly Anderson]

And he is highly confident in his ability at anything and everything.

[Jason Kirk]

That is correct. That is correct. He has referred to himself in the third person to the extreme that he once was like, hey, man, he was answering a question. He goes, you know, you'll have to. You'll have to ask God. And the reporter was like, I have to ask God. And he goes, yes, you're standing right next to him. Yeah, that's. Zlatan is everything you want in a caricature of a soccer player. He is the guy who refers to himself in the third person. He is the guy who has a. An enormous portrait of his own feet at the opening, like, in the foyer of his mansion. And when asked why he will be like, that is how I make my money. That's. Those feet bought this mansion. Right? He is. At one time, Zlatan got transferred. He got loaned to another team and he had to, like, leave his apartment, which at the time, I believe was in Stockholm. So he had to jet. He had to go. And at the time, in his own autobiography, which I highly recommend, I am's Latin, because the ghostwriter on that stuck his. Broke his whole foot off in that, like, put. Put his whole ass into that. It is a great book. It is. It also does not dispel any of the myths that I am talking about here. There is no reading I am's Lawton and going, ah, you know what? What a different, more thoughtful person than I thought. Nope, nope. It's like 180 pages of you know who rocks. Zlatan. Zlatan is very good. Zlatan had got transferred and he was playing Call of Duty because in the autobiography he talks about if Wario got swole right, like Waluigi with an amazing.

[Ryan Nanni]

Like, if Wario got his macros under control.

[Jason Kirk]

Right. CrossFit Wario.

[Ryan Nanni]

I think, yeah, Waluigi is a completely different energy. He's not Luigi. Yeah, I think we can all agree on that.

[Jason Kirk]

He got transferred and he was playing Call of Duty and he just like dropped the game and left. And he didn't get back to his apartment until like, I want to say, like a month later, maybe six weeks later, he got back. He left his fucking TV on. He left to call. Like, he left the PlayStation on. Like, it's just sitting there on for. For like a month straight. That's Latan. Zlatan is like. Zlatan asked for a Ferrari when he wanted to be signed and he got a Ferrari because he explained a Ferrari needs a Ferrari. And by signing Zlatan, you now have one. Yeah, that's. And Lawless can't compete with that. No, he can't compete with that at all.

[Ryan Nanni]

No. You know, and you know, there was the. I'm sure that what they had planned. And I do not think Fox did this on purpose. No matter what. They would not have. They are so stingy with their market share. They do not license. Fox doesn't license clips to other networks until. I think the. I think the rules this year are the clips can't be longer than two minutes. And not only can other networks not show clips of the World cup while the game is going on on Fox, they cannot air those clips until Fox's own post game coverage is over. So I do not for one second believe that Fox intentionally placed this powder keg around like what had been their, you know, their reliable show pony talent. But I think kind of what everybody thought going into this was Spencer Heat, check me here, was, oh, Rebecca's gonna steer. Rebecca Lowe's gonna steer and kind of, kind of keep things together. Alexi, Alexei will orate from the middle and then we're putting Thierry Henry and Zlatan in there to fight. And no, what you have instead is a blossoming, beautiful friendship between the other three who have like such legitimate chemistry that I swear, if whoever is running the 2028 Oly doesn't pluck up Rebecca, Terry and Zlatan and just. There's your soccer show right there. You're done. Your work for 2028 is done. They have developed. They have been forged in a crucible of hating the shit out of this man.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

And like, the. The thing that I did not. The biggest surprise for me, this entire World cup has not been on the field. Well, possible exception of my beloved Cabo Verde Blue Sharks, it has been Tyrion, Re and Zlatan becoming besties. Like, performative Instagram besties.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, the dudes.

[Holly Anderson]

The dudes, like, bonded by showing how much they do not like the other guy.

[Ryan Nanni]

Correct.

[Holly Anderson]

It's also like, yeah, they get along, but also they are emphasizing how well they get along.

[Ryan Nanni]

Yeah. Like, they were. They were supposed to be the. The grumpy dog, cool cat pairing and. No, no, it's. It's all cats united against one dog.

[Jason Kirk]

There's a thing that's happening here, too, that Lawless was a player in Europe for a Serie A team. He did that deserves respect for that. This much respect. I'm holding my fingers.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah. I was gonna say.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, no, no, no.

[Jason Kirk]

I mean, like, as an. Like, you did it right then.

[Michael Serber]

Sure. Yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

Back then is doing a lot of work.

[Jason Kirk]

And on the other hand, you have these two guys who are at the desk who are incredible. Like, you have these two guys who, like, as players, were another level.

[Michael Serber]

They're my two favorite Barca strikers. And it's not even close.

[Jason Kirk]

It's. They're. Yeah, they're nuts. Right? And at multiple levels and at multiple teams. Right. Particularly with Zlatan. Because Zlatan being God. God has dominion over all teams.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah. He played everywhere. Henri played like, Arsenal, Barcelona and then like in New York, right?

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, like. Like classic.

[Michael Serber]

One other place.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, like classic Henry is Arsenal, right?

[Michael Serber]

Yeah, yeah. He went Arsenal, Barcelona, then, like, back to Arsenal. Yeah, it seems like.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, I think he retired. Did he retire with Arsenal? I don't.

[Michael Serber]

I don't know. I remember he went to new. He went to. He was like one of those guys that went to the MLS because he was getting paid big time.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, you get paid big time. It's a nice. It's a nice late pre retirement gig.

[Michael Serber]

Right.

[Jason Kirk]

Buy a pool, pad the stats, you know, to spend some time in America. It's nice. But those two are just another tier. And this is. By the way, I could steer this back to college football and want to for a reason. Because look at Game day. If you want to see everybody needs a lane in terms of how you work on tv, right? And I know this because I'm bad at tv, but I've done it, and I know what being bad at TV is. And when it does, it doesn't work. And everyone needs a lane.

[Ryan Nanni]

Who said you're bad at tv?

[Jason Kirk]

The market. And. Okay, dude, but if you look at them. That's right. Capitalism is wrong.

[Ryan Nanni]

Citation needed. But okay.

[Jason Kirk]

But if you look at it like everybody needs a lane, you know, and there are times I know on game day where if it comes down to a point of discussion, there's Nick Saban, who's the greatest coach of all time, sitting there like he's a normal person. Weird. Still weird to me, right? That you're like, I have an opinion about football. Maybe I could ask the greatest coach of all time next to me, what's up, dude? And then there's Desmond Howard, who's a Heisman Trophy winner, just sitting there. And you go, well, in terms of cred, I'm kind of out. So what's my lane? Right? You have Pat McAfee, and I don't know what Pat McAfee does. He speaks static, and he's very enthusiastic. There's a lot of people who just want this invitation to have a sporting experience. I get that. You know, they just want somebody who's just excited. He's just excited. That's what. That's all he is. Right. You have consummate professional Reese, and then you have Kirk, and I think Kirk is, like, in a. Like, Lawless has no lanes. Kirk still has a lane. I'm just increasingly unclear on what it is, and I think he knows that. Like, I think, like, you've seen him become crankier over the years.

[Holly Anderson]

Is that, like, he thinks he's.

[Jason Kirk]

His job is grumpy, man, but he's not a curmudgeon. Like, you have to have some sort of, like, the curmudgeon. I think his curmudgeon lane is being taken by the coach next to him.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah, he could be a curmudgeon with frosted tips.

[Holly Anderson]

They're grumpy about different stuff, though. Yeah, but usually. Usually.

[Jason Kirk]

What do you have to be? What do you have to be to be a successful curmudgeon? You have to have some humor and some charisma, and you have to be willing to be the butt of the joke, right, from time to time. That's what a good curmudgeon needs. Right. They need to be kind of. And they need to be frankly, a little like so curmudgeonly and so about their takes that they seem a little insane and they know it's a little crazy. Right? Roy Keane. Roy Keane. Hey, server, do you watch, do you watch Roy Keane's podcast or listeners? Podcast.

[Michael Serber]

I've been seeing some clips from it lately, yes.

[Jason Kirk]

Okay. Roy Keane, perfect example. Roy Keane is a dick. Okay? He is an absolute dick. But you have to know this about Roy Keane. He knows that, right? He knows that. And he'll say things like, like he'll bring up a 30 year old breakup that affected Gary Lineker's career and he'll be like, oh, come on, come on. That was you being a bit of a baby. He's like, it was a seven year relationship. That was my whole life and I destroyed it. And I had a life outside soccer at Keen's. Like, you had a life outside soccer, loser. Like, that's, he's, he's open about that. I feel like Kirk is kind of in a weird lane where he's curmudgeonly without the charm. Right. And without the sort of real zest for it. And increasingly like his lanes are being hemmed off. Right. Like other people are sort of encroaching on what he thinks is his territory and the people doing it. He can't push back on Kirk Herbstreak, can't really push back on Nick Saban. Like, that's not how it works.

[Holly Anderson]

I am most certainly not going to argue that Kirk Herbstreet is like enjoyable TV or for me in any.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

But I do see, like, him attempting to move toward. Not just like, I mean, Saban from, from that perspective, I think you're right. I think he is great at the crank role because he is willing to be the butt of the joke, for one thing. And he has the credibility to complain about most of the things he complains about. Not. Not the Congress stuff, blah, blah, blah. Whereas Herb Street, I think, you know, for a long time he's moved, moving toward, like, I'm the spokesman of the sport, voice of the sport, basically the commissioner. That's what he's going for.

[Jason Kirk]

And that's weird.

[Holly Anderson]

John Madden without swag. You know what I mean?

[Spencer Hall]

Yeah.

[Jason Kirk]

And like, Madden wouldn't. I don't. I can't speak for a dead Minnesotan,

[Holly Anderson]

but we're talking about spokespeople of two different things and people with their own style. Like, Madden's idea of spokesman is like, this is awesome. That's his whole take.

[Jason Kirk]

You want to talk about Boundless enthusiasm. Right. Like, he was an enthusiast. And I will state that, like this One thing Pat McAfee's good at, he's very good at being enthusiastic. Right. Madden had the know how behind that and he had the enthusiasm and at times a willingness to be like, I don't care about that. Just not. Not something that's in my purview. And I don't know if herbs. I don't think Herb street has that.

[Holly Anderson]

No, no, I'm not talking about what he's good at. I'm only talking about what he's going for.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, yeah. If that's what he's going for, I don't think he's hitting it just fine. My, my, my two cents. As a trained media observer and participant,

[Holly Anderson]

I don't think I. I agree.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think he's got it. You know what we do have, though? We've got some podcast business to cover.

[Holly Anderson]

We do. We got to do it quick, too.

[Jason Kirk]

Podcast business. What's that business? Podcast business. It's a business. Let's do business now. And we're gonna make some money.

[Holly Anderson]

Here we are at the 80 minute mark. Time to tell you all about homefieldapparel.com See, what schools did we talk about?

[Ryan Nanni]

This is like, let's talk about Cincinnati.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, Cincinnati. A school that is gonna get some money off Brandon Soaresby at some point.

[Ryan Nanni]

The other half, cat, but not like

[Holly Anderson]

that and does not have to deal with any of his ever again. Cincinnati, you're looking clean. You're looking fantastic. There's all sorts of grumpy cat like animals in the Cincinnati collection. Homefieldapparel.com that I'm looking at for. I don't know. The first time in years.

[Jason Kirk]

I don't know.

[Holly Anderson]

I don't know. I look at this website frequently, as listeners know, but this is one page that I had spent too long not looking at. Let's just put it that way.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. Additionally, home field apparel, I have to say, this is the time to shop. This is the time to do it. Because fall's gonna happen. Avoid the crunch. Get in. It's time to gear up. All right. It's June. I know. You're like, oh, man, summer. It's so long. It is not. Time is marching forward. The reaper behind you. Right. The cold embrace of winter to come. You need to get cozy. Yeah, you need to get cozy now, is what I'm saying.

[Holly Anderson]

Or while you're doing that, you could also, like, buy a shirt for the entire Rest of the summer. That is between now and then. So do both.

[Ryan Nanni]

It's very soft.

[Holly Anderson]

Do both.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, do it. Listen. Do both. Time's a wasted.

[Holly Anderson]

You're gonna. You're gonna be so, so darn hot if you don't. If you don't have any shirts to wear in the summer. And then so cold shortly after that. I think the Cincinnati item that is most standing out to me. Where'd it go? I'm going back to it now. We're going pear caddy here in Cincinnati. And it looks like a drawing of a. You know, again, whatever this animal is, I've never really bothered to figure that out. It looks like a drawing of that. That is part ape

[Jason Kirk]

that smells like popcorn. It's very important to note that the Benturong smells like popcorn.

[Holly Anderson]

Is that a real thing?

[Jason Kirk]

That is a real thing.

[Holly Anderson]

Okay, I believe you. Homefieldapparel.com where you can get shirts, coats, no matter the season, you can prepare for the upcoming season. Or I mean, they're all upcoming, so prepare for all of them. Homefieldapparel.com buy four orders today.

[Jason Kirk]

I would like to go ahead and remind everybody that the dulcet tones of everyone you're listening to, you can get as much as you want of these voices and this content. Talking about all kinds of different bonus material. Additional stuff. How much do you love us? You love us enough to go to patreon.com shutdown fullcast because we do have a Patreon. For just $4 a month, you can get access to bonus episodes like, oh, you know, talking about amateurism. We do that shit. That's legit. That's serious. Learn. Learn yourself something. You can also get the boundless enthusiasm of me talking about for all mankind or Jason going off on the X Men for the better part of. I think that's a nine hour podcast. It felt like two.

[Holly Anderson]

Yes, definitely.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

We have something similar additionally upcoming. It is Michael Serber's turn. And some of you are already probably guessing the content of that one. You're right. And it was very fun.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah.

[Jason Kirk]

So $4. Patreon.com shutdown fullcast listen, learn, love.

[Holly Anderson]

I thought you're gonna say die.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. No, listen or die.

[Ryan Nanni]

Listen and die. Eventually.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. Listen and die. Eventually.

[Holly Anderson]

You're gonna die anyway.

[Michael Serber]

So it Die while listening.

[Ryan Nanni]

I don't think that's happened yet that we know of.

[Jason Kirk]

Listen.

[Michael Serber]

Never say never, folks, if you have

[Holly Anderson]

ever died while listening to our podcast. Sound off.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, let us know in the comments.

[Michael Serber]

King full cast flatlined.

[Holly Anderson]

Yay.

[Jason Kirk]

That's right. I'm big at flatlining. It's the thing I do.

[Ryan Nanni]

The ultimate shutdown.

[Jason Kirk]

How full was my cast after I shut down?

[Ryan Nanni]

Just as every comic book is somebody's first, every full cast is somebody's last.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, that's a great way of thinking of it. That's right, the shutdown. Full cast. You'll be rid of us someday.

[Ryan Nanni]

I know that we are not a genuinely upset about this or be going to drag this forever, but it does get funnier the more I think about it. That we're in year 70,000 of this free long weekly, never taking breaks, except when we all get fired because of a global plague college football show. And there's still the fact that there's even one person who's like, hey, man, I don't like it when you guys talk about the things you do to make a living on this free show. It gets funnier the more I think about it. Like, it's one. Like, it's like what we were doing earlier when you talk about what Sorsby's actually doing. Just like, hey, man, quit trying to make a living in the middle of this free show you're giving me.

[Jason Kirk]

I mean, you know, you're free to do that. This is my. This is my favorite thing, like the entire.

[Ryan Nanni]

It's still funny. I'm sorry. I'm not even doing the. I'm funny, but I'm mad. No, it's genuinely hilarious where you can

[Jason Kirk]

short circuit the entire culture of the Internet by being like this. I don't care. Suck my dick.

[Holly Anderson]

There you go. Try that.

[Jason Kirk]

Doesn't matter. That thing you said. It doesn't matter. I don't care. Suck my dick. Enjoy it or don't. Yeah, we're gonna do it anyway. $4.

[Ryan Nanni]

Patreon.com shutdown fullcast sorry about our need for For Shelter.

[Jason Kirk]

I don't care. Suck my dick. I want to. Actually, before we do anything else, I want to jump to this big, big weekend. There's only one of us who's ever, like, put out an album, okay? This is. This is the year. Listen, we got several years going here, okay? Year Joel Anderson. That's happening. Okay? Year of Michael Server. Year of Michael Server and killer ants. That has happened because not only is Michael Server getting his own dedicated Patreon episode, his own special interest dude, the band put out a whole damn album. Talk your shit, son.

[Michael Serber]

Whole damn thing. Got a whole 10 song record for you. Three of the songs are already out, but there's seven new ones that you haven't heard yet.

[Ryan Nanni]

You're a day late. Get on.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah, you missed release day. You. You know what? Suck my dick.

[Jason Kirk]

You don't care.

[Michael Serber]

Please, please, please suck my dick. No. Please listen to this. Please listen to this record. It's available in multiple places.

[Holly Anderson]

World's Kindest Rock Star Star.

[Michael Serber]

Please suck. Well, what's crazy is, you guys, I do need to say thank you because mostly the shutdown full cast readers are responsible for the fact that this album, before it even came out with the three singles that we put out, is it like 10,000 streams already? And that's because. Yeah, look at y'.

[Spencer Hall]

All.

[Michael Serber]

Thank you for listening to our stuff and supporting my stuff, as well as other people on the show. I hope you enjoy the record. I hope you like it. I do have CDs. I've reached out to a couple people who reached out to me will. I will mail you a CD. It'll be 20 bucks, 15 bucks for the CD, $5 to mail it. Just reach out to me on Blue Sky. I'll hit you up in DMs.

[Ryan Nanni]

Don't have hearts. I'll mail them.

[Michael Serber]

Hartzell will not be mailing these. There will be CDs when they arrive for you, but it's called A Course for the Wasteland. It's on Spotify. It's on Band Camp, it's on Tidal, it's on Apple music. It's on iTunes. It's on.

[Ryan Nanni]

It's on YouTube music right now. If any of you are privy.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah, fuck with me. Come check it out. It's really cool. Additionally, if you happen to be in North Carolina, we're having an album release show where you can buy a CD in person. This Friday, June 26, show starts at 8. There's a really cool thing happening before in Bailey park called Park Hangs. And this band called Cosmic Collective is playing. Have they ever popped up on your Instagram algorithm, Spencer?

[Jason Kirk]

No, they're not.

[Michael Serber]

I think you would fuck with these dudes super hard. Like, they are right up your alley. They're like, sort of like freaky funky. They're really cool. So they're playing from like 6 to 8 in the park. Go see them at Park Hangs. That's free. And then walk like a block down the street to Fair Witness Fancy Drinks and come see us with Darling his and or Patrol. Fair Witness Fancy Drinks is a tremendous bar name and it's a really cool. It's an awesome space. I encourage you to go there for our show. And if like, you're like, ah, you Know, the show vibe is not really my thing. It's a really, like, fancy cocktail bar on one half of it, and they've got the whole sidewalk with picnic table. So, like, you could come to our show and just, like, chill out there and listen to the music and not have, like, an indie rock show experience while one is going on inside as well, which I think is pretty cool. So if maybe you're not like the typical stand in a sweaty room but you want to come show support for the band, that's the way to do that. But, yeah, thank you for listening to our music. I don't know, but it is fancy.

[Ryan Nanni]

Let's find out.

[Jason Kirk]

All right, so year Michael Server. Year of server. Listen every day, every month. Every year is a great time to subscribe to Channel 6, the newsletter that Holly and I write. $10 a month for two things a week, today in your inbox or available to click directly on that pretty link, you can read about how Alexi Lala sucks.

[Holly Anderson]

Sucks.

[Jason Kirk]

Like, how it sucks. And how, you know, that kind of matters. Even though I'm watching everything on Telemundo, it's. It's the culmination of a long series of a long series of moves that have turned this dude into, like, now what is a nationally renowned, like, punching bag and dessert?

[Ryan Nanni]

Not enough of a punching bag.

[Jason Kirk]

I mean, we should say this. You could be like, hey, does that mean we should feel sorry for him now?

[Ryan Nanni]

Too metaphorical a punching bag.

[Jason Kirk]

Too metaphorical a punching bag, we say. But you can read all about that, all right. @channel dash6ghostio that is the website for our newsletter. Subscribe.

[Ryan Nanni]

I wrote the good parts.

[Jason Kirk]

Yes, yes, she did write the good parts. That's usually true. You can also get our free newsletter by signing up there. You don't have to pay $10 a month for that. Be cool if you did, though. We'd like that. It's worth it. Again, Channel six Ghost. Channel six. Ten bucks a month for two things a week. Hey, Jason, what you got?

[Holly Anderson]

So at the Until Saturday newsletter at work, which is a college football newsletter that. I'm gonna be honest, man, it is almost always on topic. Like, it's. It's kind of the opposite of this show in the sense of, like, doesn't veer all that often. But I did veer a little bit today. It's mostly, like, at work. We're the athletic, I should say. We are doing a series on 90s college football this week. In light of the 1994 World cup being the most recent on this in this country. And the first thing I did for this week was spinning off of a bunch of that and I closed it with a question, a music question, which was what was the best three album debut by any musical act ever? Like albums one, two and three. Not their best three albums, their best three to open their career. And it felt like a 90s related question to me because my answer to that, of course is Outkast. And I know a lot of smart asses will say, like, oh, Nirvana. Because all three of their albums were their first three albums. And Olivia Rodrigo is actually the one who made me think of this question because her first three are all officially bangers and she's a 20 or 20 something who is also from the 80s and 90s. So anyway, I threw that in and I say all that to say I'm getting responses in my inbox throughout this, which it is not a surprise to learn more and more about who my readers are. I'm just saying Pearl Jam is winning the public vote so far and I don't care.

[Ryan Nanni]

Godfrey, stop emailing.

[Holly Anderson]

Jason, I'm going to be quite honest with you. I don't know what they sound like. I know people say Nickelback and Creed are rip offs of Pearl Jam. That is all the information I need on what they sound like. I. I could not tell you a Pearl Jam song. It's cool, it's great. I never will. But this is more information about my readers. It is all information is valuable. I do not judge the sort of thing. It's more like, okay, now we know that. And knowing is half the battle.

[Jason Kirk]

Server. Server. You know my answer, right?

[Michael Serber]

Wait, what? What is your answer? Is it damn.

[Jason Kirk]

No, no, no, no. I think, I think you know mine because we share this affection for the full cast of rock bands.

[Michael Serber]

I don't know it.

[Jason Kirk]

That would be. That would be Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers in Exile.

[Michael Serber]

Oh, but that's not their first three though. That's the thing.

[Jason Kirk]

Oh, you want the first three? Oh, okay.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah.

[Jason Kirk]

He.

[Michael Serber]

It has to be like first three. I was thinking for me, like Dinosaur junior Pops out. This might not be popular because a lot of people don't like Pablo Honey, but like Radio Head with Pablo Honey, the Bins and then okay, computer.

[Holly Anderson]

Three really different, very different bands. There you are.

[Michael Serber]

But I like all those records. That's the thing. I think the Bins is severely underrated especially.

[Holly Anderson]

But like it's fun whenever.

[Michael Serber]

I love that question.

[Holly Anderson]

That's like different things like that.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah, that's a great question, Jason.

[Holly Anderson]

Metallica people said Metallica, obviously. Sure, yeah.

[Michael Serber]

Ramones. Like all those punk bands like the Clash. Oh, the Clash are the one, I

[Holly Anderson]

think clashes very strong.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah, that's the one for me, now that I think about it, that's also their best three.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah. If I had to pick, like, a classic rock band, undoubtedly it would be a Clash.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. And a Led Zeppelin's pretty strong 1, 2.

[Michael Serber]

That's a strong, strong one.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, that's. That's pretty nasty, man. This is a difficult question. It's gonna beguile me for the rest of the afternoon.

[Holly Anderson]

Well, reply to until Saturday@the athletic.com and I will tally. It'd be pretty fun if I included quotes for quotes by y'.

[Jason Kirk]

All.

[Michael Serber]

You make great points.

[Holly Anderson]

You have to email me first.

[Michael Serber]

You make great points on the 90s thing.

[Ryan Nanni]

Mm.

[Michael Serber]

I think that's because. I think that's like the last time that was consistently being done. Because as I think of bands. I'm sorry, I'm going more back to like, the 70s of like. Yep. Their first three were bangers.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah.

[Michael Serber]

But, like, it kind of cuts off and like, I don't. 98, 99. Where, like, there's always a misstep in the first three.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

Like. Like Olivia pulling it off just felt so rare for the reason that I thought back, like, how often is. And it's like you kind of have to go back because, like, with so many. So many acts of every genre, the second album is so rushed, you know? Yep. And then the third is an over compensation. And then maybe by the fourth thing. You know what I mean?

[Michael Serber]

Yep.

[Holly Anderson]

Yep.

[Michael Serber]

That's, I think, the classic cycle. I like 70% of bands. That's what happens.

[Jason Kirk]

It feels like the answer is the Prodigy. Yeah, that's a good one too.

[Michael Serber]

Vampire Weekend comes to mind as well.

[Jason Kirk]

I know.

[Michael Serber]

Really strong. All three.

[Jason Kirk]

I fully. No, I fully respect that answer. I think that's strong as hell.

[Holly Anderson]

And then there's other acts where it's like it took him a while to get going. Like, if you count, you know, all of Kendrick's various projects. It's like Kendrick wasn't Kendrick for a while.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

Look something up?

[Jason Kirk]

No, he was. He was wobbly. Wobbly. You know, I just thought Tears for Fears. I would actually put your fears up there.

[Michael Serber]

Yep.

[Jason Kirk]

Cuz. Cuz. Holy.

[Ryan Nanni]

Can I tell you my honest first thought? Randy Travis.

[Holly Anderson]

Oh.

[Jason Kirk]

Ooh, that's good.

[Ryan Nanni]

Sleep on Storms Alive.

[Michael Serber]

Dwight. Yokum.

[Jason Kirk]

Dwight. Oh, man. Holy crap. Let me look at what Dwight's first.

[Michael Serber]

If we get into the country, there's a couple dudes.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, yeah, I got. Because albums, you don't typically tend to think of country as albums. Right, right. Like, yeah.

[Michael Serber]

And Willie put out like five years worth of material before he puts out. He put out an lp.

[Ryan Nanni]

I think George Straight is making a strong case.

[Michael Serber]

Yeah. George Straight. All. I've got all of his early stuff on vinyl. They all go. They all go so hard. But then there's guys like George Jones who lock in and like 10 years into their career.

[Jason Kirk]

Or Willie where you're like, he puts out 20 albums before he does. Like, Shotgun Willie.

[Michael Serber]

Right.

[Holly Anderson]

Holly, can you prepare a sound effect? Because I just got the Dave Matthews Band email someone. Finally.

[Jason Kirk]

Yes.

[Holly Anderson]

Dave on board.

[Michael Serber]

You know what?

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. Live your truth. You know what?

[Holly Anderson]

I don't mind Dave. I don't mind.

[Jason Kirk]

Under the Table and Dreaming is good. That's a good album.

[Ryan Nanni]

Yet is. Oh, man, I gotta date myself. I still. I'm pretty sure I like skipped out of on campus lunch to buy live at Red Rocks.

[Jason Kirk]

Sturgill. Sturgill.

[Ryan Nanni]

That's okay. I came.

[Holly Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Serber]

That first one's underrated.

[Holly Anderson]

That's. That's Sturgill. That's another person who. It's sort of like, yeah, I know I'd like it. I've just never got into it. But I assume I have lots of Sturgill responses.

[Ryan Nanni]

Jason, I haven't read it yet. Did Carly mate, Did Carly Rae make your list?

[Holly Anderson]

She would not make mine because her before Kiss, you had a. A couple albums that are kind of eh. Just like, you know, like, it's okay, it's cute. And then Kiss is the one. Are you talking about.

[Ryan Nanni]

We're talking about first three.

[Holly Anderson]

A three album run. Yes.

[Michael Serber]

It's more common. It's much more common as you start. Especially when you start thinking of the greats like Spencer's dead on with Stones,

[Jason Kirk]

the Jimmy Miller years.

[Ryan Nanni]

Well, I know that for a fact that we have a ton of screaming Pearl Jam fans in our. In our mentions right now. I'm speaking to you from the past. Go pick up the new Olivia. Just do it. Just listen to me for once in your miserable lives.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, she ribs.

[Ryan Nanni]

It'll fix that.

[Holly Anderson]

She.

[Michael Serber]

I'd see her live. It's worth whatever you got to pay. Like I pro. It's the top three live experiences.

[Holly Anderson]

She's the one, man. Like among this generation of young musicians. Like, she's the one.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah.

[Holly Anderson]

23 or something.

[Ryan Nanni]

Or the boss.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah. I'll say. Tame Impala too.

[Ryan Nanni]

Oh, God, yes. Yeah.

[Jason Kirk]

I think that concludes podcast business. Ta da.

[Holly Anderson]

So I think we're 90 something minutes in and we have a Patreon thing to do. So let's punt World cup college football to next week again.

[Jason Kirk]

Yes, let's do the.

[Ryan Nanni]

My favorite thing about what's going on with Alexi is that there's four more weeks of watching this happen to him.

[Holly Anderson]

I got the best email so far. Ever heard of the Beatles,

[Ryan Nanni]

Jason? Can I write back?

[Michael Serber]

No, no, but here's me, here's me. Here's me, though. Beatles lovers saying, like, yeah, but they're not the ones. Like, the first three aren't great. And also there's too much parity between, like, what are their first three records? Are we going just UK releases? Are we doing us? This is the problem with the Stones, too. Like the first three. There's some filler in there now, if we want to get into 60s, if we want to get to, like, Revolver or, excuse me, Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper as a run. I'll fucking talk to you. But that's not their first three.

[Ryan Nanni]

Oh, yeah, I love them. They wrote my favorite Wilson Pickett song.

[Michael Serber]

Like, man, Wilson Pickett might be on there on the list.

[Ryan Nanni]

Oh, shit.

[Holly Anderson]

You're right.

[Michael Serber]

Because those dudes, Those dudes were all greatest hits. Like the first three Little Richards album, Little Richard LPs are fucking phenomenal because they're all just greatest hits albums from, like, putting out a single every month.

[Holly Anderson]

Yo, I just got the best reply so far. Somebody dropped off Lionel Richie. I'm like, all right, okay. I don't mind it.

[Ryan Nanni]

Case to be made.

[Holly Anderson]

Lionel on the grocery store speakers got me through many an hour.

[Ryan Nanni]

Jason, who's the youngest person on your team who could write back to the Beatles guy?

[Holly Anderson]

I'll get Alex to do it.

[Jason Kirk]

Yeah, get Alex to do it. Yeah.

[Ryan Nanni]

Diabolical.

[Jason Kirk]

No, I'll listen. I'll hear Lionel Richie out.

[Holly Anderson]

Yeah, Yeah, I don't mind that at all.

[Ryan Nanni]

Yeah.