Chasing Evil and Good Vibes with Goldie Hawn & John Edward - Part 2

Summary

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

Episode: “Chasing Evil and Good Vibes with Goldie Hawn & John Edward – Part 2”

Release Date: September 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

This intimate episode reunites hosts Kate and Oliver Hudson with their mother, Goldie Hawn, and renowned psychic medium John Edward. Continuing a conversation from Part 1, the group explores death, legacy, the human mind, and the healing (and sometimes skeptical) power of mediumship. The discussion also delves into John’s personal and professional journey, his new book Chasing Evil, and the emotional complexities of family—making for a heartfelt, insightful, and occasionally hilarious episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Facing Death and Legacy

[04:09] – 09:24

• Kate Hudson kicks off by asking John Edward if he fears death; he replies with a confident “Not at all. No.”
• John discusses open conversations about mortality with his children, often humorously beginning with “in case I get abducted by aliens,” which becomes an effective way to initiate deep talks.
  • “If you're listening to this and you come from a family that's really not ooey gooey and emotional and connected... Steal the phrase, say 'in case I get abducted by aliens,' and then say the thing that you want to say to the person.” — John Edward [05:24]
• The group unpacks how parents, children, and partners process the concept of loss.
• Goldie Hawn: Shares her nightly ritual inviting her “guides” and late family members for comfort before sleep, but admits “I ask myself the question, am I conjuring this up or am I really calling in my guides? And I think that's something that I will never get confirmation on.” [08:17]
• John likens reaching out to guides to sending a text: “Your intention of sending that text still exists, whether they've seen it or not.” [09:03]

The Passion and Ethics of Mediumship

[09:24] – 13:25

• John discusses his ethos: “That passion is to leave people better than I find them... I have a huge feeling of, like, ethics that come with, like, wanting to share and teach.” [09:48]
• He explains why he doesn’t see his public work as entertainment but as education and healing.
• Shares a formative moment with a mentor who told him “People can't pay you for what you do, but they can pay you for your time. And they have to, this way they take it seriously.” [10:53]

Developing Psychic Skills (“Psychic Fair” and Finding Teachers)

[13:25] – 15:10

• John shares his formative years at psychic fairs, likening them to speed dating for psychics, leading to much laughter and curiosity from the hosts.
• Kate and Goldie express interest in psychic development; John recommends learning from specialized teachers (tarot, astrology, numerology, meditation), emphasizing the need to trust intentions over credentials.
  • “I always say, look at the person’s intention... I’m not a big fan of certifications... Not for me.” — John Edward [13:40]
• He tells a touching story: when he was young, his connection to piano (“the keys talk to me”) was replaced by tarot (“I used to play piano...the piano stopped talking, but the cards didn’t.”) [14:25]
• He describes tarot cards as his “Dumbo’s feather”—a crutch he needed less over time. [15:06]

Boundaries, Visitations, and the Practice of Mediumship

[15:10] – 16:23

• John stresses the importance of boundaries and ethical conduct: “As a professional, you always have to kind of turn it off. You can't just be on. It's not healthy...ambush readings, I’m not ok with.” [15:25]
• Explains he only receives “visitations” (spirit messages) for personal reasons, not unsolicited for clients, and relates anecdotes where messages come at inconvenient times (“Sometimes they will wake me up...they won’t let me go back to sleep unless I write it down.”) [16:04]

Skepticism Around “Psychics” and Money

[20:19] – 22:43

• Kate probes the proliferation of storefront psychics in affluent neighborhoods, half-jokingly suggesting money laundering. The group laughs, but John admits some “psychic” practices prey on vulnerable people (“they tell them they have a curse and have to pay thousands to remove it”), urging caution.
• He distinguishes real information from emotional manipulation: “Do you want them to be emotional, animated and crying...or do you want them to be like a doctor, surgical, precise, and giving you insights?” [21:51]
• John warns against the performative side of mediumship, especially in today's attention economy.

“Chasing Evil”: John’s New Book and Personal Insights

[22:43] – 31:30

• John shares the background and deeply personal journey behind his new book Chasing Evil, which combines supernatural and true crime genres:
  • The project began after supporting a retired FBI agent (“Bob”) who was never publicly credited for finding a missing child, prompting John to encourage Bob to share his story.
  • John reflects on unresolved “daddy issues” that surfaced while writing, noting the book was a catalyst for personal healing:
    • “Who knew that this cathartic thing [would] happen from, you know, an FBI guy trying to come expose me as a fraud.” [26:47]
    • “It turned out to be a pretty transformative thing for me...” [25:19]
• Goldie observes the universal struggle to process emotional wounds and the importance of non-traditional healing:
  • “Sometimes you need these catalysts to get there...Emotions are so important and powerful.” [30:22]
• John encourages listeners to be “students of the universe” and seek out their own healing modalities—not necessarily through mediumship. Suggests exploring astrology for insight into emotional blockages.
• Kate and Goldie share their own recurring emotional patterns and lifelong self-doubt, with Goldie revealing childhood struggles with a learning disability and how love and kindness persisted (“I made sure that there was love in the room.”) [32:02]

The Book as a Journey and Future Projects

[37:01] – 37:39

• Kate asks if the book reads like true crime; John promises “it's a roller coaster. You come on the journey with us on these cases...on both journeys. You come on the transformational journey, and you come on the criminal journey.” [37:09]
• Gia and the group brainstorm spin-off podcast ideas.

Goldie’s Ghost Story & John’s Perspective

[37:53] – 42:03

• Goldie recounts unexplained activity in her house—appliances acting up, a mysterious woman, and a medium who said a young man (a Sharon Tate victim) had “not crossed over” and was attached to her.
• John, respectfully skeptical, says he hasn’t experienced “stuck” spirits and stresses the importance of considering alternate explanations—such as changes in electromagnetic energy during adolescence causing “hauntings”. [41:16]

An On-the-Spot “Reading” and Comic Relief

[42:17] – 43:48

• In a classic John Edward moment, he picks up on a conversation about Kate’s feet, which she and Goldie joke about, tying it to a mocking idea for a feet-themed OnlyFans account, causing laughter. [43:12]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• John Edward: “That passion is to leave people better than I find them.” [09:48]
• Goldie Hawn: “I just love life so much. I don't want to die.” [07:02]
• John Edward: “You really can't put a price on the connection, but you can put a price on the time.” [10:53]
• Kate Hudson: “We always think that traditionally you go to therapy, but I didn't think I needed therapy. It was a non traditional thing.” [27:34]
• Goldie Hawn: “Sometimes you need these catalysts to get there...Emotions are so important and powerful.” [30:22]

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|------------------------------------------------| | 04:09 | John Edward explains his and family's views on death, using humor as a gateway for deep talks (“abducted by aliens") | | 08:08 | Goldie shares her nightly routine calling in guides/details importance of comfort and uncertainty in spiritual experience | | 09:48 | John explains why his work is a passion and issues around ethics in mediumship | | 13:25 | Story of psychic fairs, Kate’s curiosity about learning psychic skills | | 15:25 | John on the necessity of “turning it off” and boundaries in his work | | 21:51 | Warning against scam psychics; real information vs. emotional showmanship | | 22:54 | John introduces the origins and themes of his book “Chasing Evil” | | 26:47 | Personal transformation & healing through the book’s writing | | 30:22 | Goldie on emotional healing and cycling family patterns | | 32:02 | Goldie recalls struggles with undiagnosed learning disabilities, always signing “Love, Goldie” | | 37:09 | John describes the book as a “roller coaster,” blending true crime and transformation | | 37:53 | Goldie’s ghost story and John’s perspective on hauntings | | 42:17 | John picks up on the “feet” conversation, leading to jokes about OnlyFans |

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Tone & Atmosphere

The conversation is deeply personal, blending humor, warmth, and empathy. Kate and Oliver’s sibling banter is ever-present, Goldie is both nurturing and candid, and John is thoughtful and occasionally playful. The episode balances serious talk about death, healing, and ethics with tangents and laughter—making it both moving and accessible.

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Summary

This episode of Sibling Revelry artfully weaves together the themes of mortality, legacy, emotional healing, and family bonds through the lens of psychic phenomena. John Edward’s candor and the Hudson family’s openness foster a heartfelt yet entertaining exploration of grief, personal growth, and the mysteries that bind us all. Listeners will come away with new perspectives on life’s biggest questions, encouragement to seek their own healing, and perhaps a newfound urge to strike up honest conversations—alien abduction optional.

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Book featured:

Chasing Evil: Shocking Crime, Supernatural Forces, and an FBI Agent's Search for Hope and Justice by John Edward

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Transcript

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[Kate Hudson]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Gia Giudice]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Kate Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings.

[John Edward]

We are.

[Kate Hudson]

A sibling rivalry.

[Gia Giudice]

No, no.

[John Edward]

Sibling rivalry.

[Gia Giudice]

Don't do that with your mouth.

[Kate Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Goldie Hawn]

That's good.

[Kate Hudson]

Welcome back to our conversation with psychic medium John Edwards. So to reset the scene here, Kate is joining over Zoom. I'm sitting here with Mama Mama Goldie. Mama Goldie Hawn, who's a massive John Edward fan and John himself. And I want to kick off part two with something that I've always wanted to ask. Are you afraid of death?

[John Edward]

Not at all. No.

[Kate Hudson]

Zero.

[John Edward]

Nope. Not afraid.

[Kate Hudson]

Are your kids afraid of death?

[John Edward]

No. I've had very, very open conversations with them because my mom died when. When she was 48. My dad died when I was 59. Wow. So I don't come from great stock, so I never made it morbid. But I would always say, especially when I started with my son, I'd be like, hey, in case I get abducted by aliens, I want you to know this. We had a lot of conversations that started with that phrase. And then when he was about 12 years old, we took a walk, and he goes, daddy, I have a question. I went, sure. What's your question? He goes, I get the psyche stuff. I get that. Cool. When did you become. When did you become obsessed with alien abduction? And I, like, looked at him, and I was like, I'm not. But my dad was a big UFO guy, so I was like, oh, is Justin making a connection with my dad? I went, right there. He goes, no, you're pretty obsessed with aliens. I'm like, justin. I go, I like Star Wars. I go, but, like, why are you. Why are you saying. He goes, well, you always say, in case I get abducted by aliens. So I started to laugh. I went, just. I go, that means, like, if I'm not on this dimension any longer and I'm existing on a different dimension, I wanted you to know whatever came next after that. He goes, well, that means, like, when you die, that's what it sounds like. And I go, yeah, it's pretty much what it means. He goes, well, that's not funny. I go, never meant to be funny. I go, how many conversations did we have that were so deep that started with that phrase? He goes, a lot. I go, in one day, when you're a dad, I'm going to hear you say, hey, little Johnny, in case I get abducted by aliens, and there'll be a nugget that you'll start a conversation with. And that's what I tell people. So if you're listening to this and you come from a family that's really not ooey gooey and emotional and connected, where you say the I love yous and all that, say it in a way that you can get it across. Steal the phrase, say in case I get abducted by aliens, and then say the thing that you want to say to the person, because it'll disarm the person that you're saying it to, and they'll receive what it is that you say right after that. Yeah, it's funny.

[Kate Hudson]

It's almost. It's so obscure that it almost attaches itself. You know what I mean? The alien thing was so sort of out there that you are now remembering, you know, the real nuggets of what came after that sentence, because it disarms.

[John Edward]

Them and they're like, huh?

[Kate Hudson]

Right.

[John Edward]

Oh, yeah. That you have that moment.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, it's funny because as kids, I mean, we. We have a fear or a sadness, projection, projecting. When your parents are no longer with you, it's almost like a piece of you is gone. I mean, you know, I've had moments with mom and Pa where I drop into that place because it's masochistic, I guess, where you just sort of like, I want to try to feel what that feels like. And then you have to come out of it because it's just horrifying. But.

[John Edward]

But take it to the next stop, right? Take it to the next place, have that conversation. Say it right. Because it's a normal human thing to say. Like, one day I may not be here.

[Goldie Hawn]

Katie asked me that.

[John Edward]

Yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

She said, mommy, are you afraid of dying? And I said, no, I'm not afraid of dying. I just love life so much. I don't want to die.

[John Edward]

And. And one day, everybody that's sitting in this room right now won't be here in the physical form.

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[John Edward]

And the reality is we will have a legacy of love and communication, hopefully that we've left behind for the people to keep us very Present. When I'm reading for someone, a lot of my family stories come out. And when I see the people in those stories that are now all gone. Right. When I'm conveying a reading to a complete stranger, but I'm seeing my Aunt Rachel or I'm seeing my Aunt Hannah, or I'm seeing a good friend named Shelley, whatever those people represent for me is now what's being used as a symbol in that moment. They're present in that moment. They're with me in that moment. Because time's linear, right? Yeah. Time doesn't exist there. It exists here. Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

And do your kids and your wife and your family and people around you, is there a comfort in death because of what you do and what you've seen and what you've experienced? Because they know that when dad goes or whatever, they're all going to be here around me.

[John Edward]

I think so. I hope so. I mean, I hope I've done my job well enough that I've inspired that. Exactly.

[Goldie Hawn]

I do. When I go to bed at night upon occasion, not every night, but I do bring my guides around me and I invite them to join me in my sleep. And there are a lot of my family, and then there are guides I probably will never know until we get there.

[John Edward]

Right.

[Goldie Hawn]

Until we get there. So. But. And I will say this, it is the most comforting feeling to be able to basically ask for your guides, your mother, your father, all the people around you, and it's pure love. But there they are. And now I'm like a baby. Drift off to sleep. It feels good. I ask myself the question, am I conjuring this up or am I really calling in my guides? And I think that's something that I will never get confirmation on. Probably. Yeah.

[John Edward]

I kind of look at it as like a text. Right. Sometimes you send a text to somebody, they don't always respond right away. They have their. If it's off, your phone's off, it's not being charged, whatever, and then eventually they'll get around to seeing it. But your intention of sending that text still exists, whether they've seen it or not. Right. What you're asking, what you're saying, what you're sharing.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah.

[John Edward]

So it's received.

[Kate Hudson]

There has to be such fulfillment in what you do, too, because again, we're going to get to the book and we only have a little more time left. But how fulfilling it is for you to sort of gift people these things. I mean, it's truly giving, putting people at ease a lot of the time.

[John Edward]

I Hope so. I mean, you know, I feel like my job.

[Kate Hudson]

Does it ever become a job where you're like, next passion?

[John Edward]

It is. No, it's a passion. And that passion is to leave people better than I find them. Yeah. With a responsibility. And, and I, I have a huge feeling of, like, ethics that come with, like, wanting to share and teach. Like, I don't like seeing the subject matter performed. I don't like seeing it used in a performative way.

[Kate Hudson]

So actually on that note, and I wanted to get into a little bit of how you became such a success. You've got a TV show, you're making dough, now you're in entertainment. So was that a difficult thing for you to try to square where it's like, well, this is what I do, but now I'm actually monetizing what I do. And there is an entertainment factor, at least from the outside perspective.

[John Edward]

So no. And I'll tell you why. Because I never saw it as entertainment. I saw it as education. And when I was very, very young, when I first started out, the psychic fair, I met a psychic by the name of Virginia. And she was, she became a family friend and she was like my mom's age, right? So I was like hanging out with people like, I'm 15, 16, hanging out with 40 year olds. And she came to the house and my office phone rang and she answered the phone, she goes, I'm going to be resistant today. And she answers the phone and she books an appointment, right, as my assistant. And she tripled my rate, whatever it was. And I looked at her like, don't charge that. Why are you saying that? And she looked at me with this look. And she hung the phone up. She said, I've sat next to you, I know what you're capable of doing. She goes, you're capable of doing stuff that you don't even know yet. She goes, people can't pay you for what you do, but they can pay you for your time. And they have to, this, this way they take it seriously. And I've never forgotten that, because you really can't put a price on the connection, but you could put a price on the time. And then you have to, if you're going to do this from a business standpoint. So I was always okay with squaring away, like, okay, well, how do I do this? Because nobody's going to pay my mortgage, right? If I do this, because nobody's going to pay my taxes. And then how do I make myself available? And then that just became the structure, the television Shows, the books, all teaching opportunities, Right. Everything has been a teaching opportunity. But this book is a different one for me.

[Kate Hudson]

Did you say psychic fair?

[John Edward]

You heard me.

[Kate Hudson]

I can't imagine. Imagine walking through that fair. A psychic fair?

[John Edward]

Yeah.

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[Kate Hudson]

People are like, oh, my God, you're up. Oh, this is going on. No, no, think about it.

[John Edward]

Think about it more like, oh, Jesus.

[Kate Hudson]

You'Re gonna make millions. Wait a minute, you're gonna die.

[John Edward]

Think about it like a hotel ballroom. Right? A hotel ballroom. And there's like, table and chairs. Yeah. And you have two psychics per table. And from 11 to 5 every 15 minutes, people would book a reading with different people. And. And it was like almost like a exped dating for psychics.

[Goldie Hawn]

I was. This is what it felt like.

[Gia Giudice]

I want to go psychic fair at my house.

[Kate Hudson]

Go to a psychic fair. That'd be amazing.

[Goldie Hawn]

So much fun.

[Gia Giudice]

John, I want a teacher. How do I find a teacher?

[John Edward]

So I think it's important to decide what kind of thing you want to study. I always say, look at the person's intention. Like, you know, I'm not a big fan of certifications. There are a lot of people that, like, do, like, certification courses. And to me, I feel like, let me charge you a lot of money, and then I'm going to give you a piece of paper at the end to show you why I charge you a lot of money. I'm not a fan of that. And no disrespect to the people out there who do that. That's their business. That's their business model. Not for me. Matter of fact, I did a course, and I made sure that part of the selling of the course, that they couldn't use my name and that they couldn't say, I studied with John Edwards. That's great, because I was like, I don't know. No, I'm not okay with that.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, how would you point Kate in the right direction of finding someone?

[John Edward]

Well, there's not just one thing that you would study. So you'd have to have somebody that maybe taught you how to meditate. And you'd have to have somebody that would teach you maybe basic astrology and basic numerology. And then you could have somebody that could teach you tarot. And then what now you're doing is you're having your teachers that specialize in the field. And then you bring all that together and you braid it together in the mind of Kate to your own right. And then you recognize what you would resonate and then, more than likely, you would say, you know what? I like numerology. I like tarot. Wow. Astrology really talked to me. And that becomes the tool that you would use. For me, it was tarot. You put a deck of tarot cards on my hands, and all of a sudden, it was just. I used to play piano. And when I played piano, from the age of five until 16, I would practice sometimes two to three hours a day until my hands really, really hurt. And the piano teacher would say, why do you practice so much? And I would say, well, I get feelings from the keys. The keys talk to me. And the piano teacher said, he's gonna be like, he's gonna be a classical pianist. And then the most amaz. And that was when a deck of tarot cards were put in my hands. The piano stopped talking, but the cards didn't.

[Goldie Hawn]

Oh, that's so.

[John Edward]

It was almost like the executive producer of Crossing over is a man by the name of Paul Shavelson. And when I told him that story, he said, oh, that makes complete sense to me. He goes, they were tuning you like an instrument using the piano until they put the next instrument, the cards, in your hands. He goes, until you recognize you didn't need them.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow.

[John Edward]

But I still love them.

[Goldie Hawn]

That's right.

[Gia Giudice]

Do you find that they became this sort of, like, structure, but. But that you didn't really need?

[John Edward]

No, I didn't really. They were my dumbo's feather. That's. That's. Yeah, yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

Cool. Now, do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and have visitations or things that come to you that, like, does it. Or, like, do you get disrupted?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, and I'll piggyback on that. I was gonna ask, do you have to turn it off, or can you turn it on and turn it off?

[John Edward]

You have to, as a professional. You always have to kind of turn it off. You can't just be on. It's not healthy. And plus, if you're choosing to be on, then from an ego standpoint, you're allowing yourself to be open, which means that you can literally pick up on other people's stuff and then take it upon yourself to go, oh, my God, I'm getting this. I should say this. And if you're not in the environment where this is happening, then it's not really appropriate to enter someone's vibration without their consent. You could do more damage than good because you don't know where they are in their journey of grief. So ambush readings, I'm not okay with. You see that a lot on YouTube and people I'm like, yeah, not cool.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

And what about visitations for you?

[John Edward]

Visitations for me? I. If that happens, it happens for things that are more connected to me personally. So it's not gonna happen for a client. But they'll. Sometimes they will wake me up, Kate. To give me information, and sometimes they will wake me up to give me information, and then they won't let me go back to sleep unless I write it down. Wow.

[Gia Giudice]

Right?

[John Edward]

Just in case I don't remember it. Yeah.

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Artists and activists. I mean, do you ever feel demoralized?

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I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believed in.

[Paola Ramos]

To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

[Jorge Ramos]

There's not a single day that Paula and I don't call or text each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.

[Paola Ramos]

Listen to the Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paula Ramos as part of the Mikeultura Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Gia Giudice]

When you're talking to people, like for instance, as you're talking to us, do things come up for you as you're, when you're connecting that you just don't get into so that you can have normal conversations?

[John Edward]

Yes, yes, I try to keep myself off unless I'm in an environment where I am already on.

[Kate Hudson]

One more question then. The psychics in these rich neighbors like Brentwood, right on San Vicente, there's these huge things that psychic on it. That building must cost $20,000 in rent. Is that or is that not a money laundering center? Because I see them everywhere in these rich ass neighborhoods.

[Goldie Hawn]

Aspen, Colorado, Brentwood.

[Kate Hudson]

I'm like, how are they affording the rent? And there has to be some money laundering.

[John Edward]

Can I tell you, I have no. Never looked at it that way.

[Kate Hudson]

Never.

[John Edward]

I've never. But now maybe I will.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay, good.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah, yeah, no, it's really lucrative over there. I'll tell you.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, gosh. I'm like, how do these people.

[Goldie Hawn]

This is affording really expensive parts of town where the rent is.

[John Edward]

I know that there have been, like, issues with certain places like that where they get people that are extremely gullible that come in and then they tell them that they have a curse on them. And now they've got to pay them $5,000 to light candles. Yeah. And then now their rent is made. Because if you get multiple people who do that and if you have a family that's living there, so now it's kind of their residence. In the front of that is a store with a little palm with the neon sign that says, you know, whatever. Yeah. And I, I think we have to be careful about stuff like that.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[John Edward]

And I think that just because somebody has the word psychic in front of their name or medium in front of their name, and they are a good talker if they don't deliver information. And there's a very big difference between information and emotion. Right. So I always tell people when somebody's giving you information as a psychic, do you want them to be emotional, animated and crying over your. Over you? Or do you want them to be like a doctor, surgical, precise, and giving you insights? This way you could feel the way you want to feel. Yeah. And I think where we are in today's society, when you look at reality shows, when you look at the tick tock and you look at where people get attention, I never want to see the subject matter put into that position. Because ultimately we're talking about people's grief. Yeah. We're talking about people's loved ones. Talking about, like how that person can evolve through where they're at.

[Goldie Hawn]

Wow.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay. So the book, how did this start? Why did you decide to write this book? We talked a little bit before we got on the air here that you have only written books to sort of help people.

[John Edward]

Right.

[Kate Hudson]

And that you have a bit of anxiety around this one because it has some flash to it, has some sizzle to it.

[John Edward]

So I left television and I launched something called evolveplustv.com which is kind of like, I think, Kate, you would love that. Right. It's a. It is a one stop destination where I have all these people that are verified that come and they teach. So it is the epitome of where I'm at in my career. But in the background, I've been helping Bob for 25 years. And there was one specific case a few years ago where it's a very, very sad story. And we open the book with this little boy that's missing. And when he's found. And again, I want to just. It's a dark and a very sad story. And it's probably the only experience I had with him on this journey where I had a sense of urgency. And I think it was the daddy in me that kicked in for this little boy. I felt Bob needed to be validated. It was the first time ever in my knowing him that when this little boy was found and he was intrinsic in the finding that there was a press conference that was happening. And he was describing the press conference, and I remember saying, like, nobody's going to know what he did. Nobody's going to know how he found this kid. Like, what he did, not what I did, what he did as a sacrifice. And I said, bob, if you want to step in front of that camera today and acknowledge your involvement, I'll support you. And I remember he was like, no, I don't think so. And there's a part of me that was like, okay. But it was the first time that I remember feeling he needed this. He needed to be validated like this. And then just through a series of other conversations and other cases and other stuff, he retired from the FBI. And then that feeling was bigger, like, okay. And there's an overarching story in this book, you know, like, this one case. And they always say, like, investigators have that one case. This is a big case. It's a really, really big case. And he was successful in one aspect, but not in another. So there's this, like, unfinished kind of whatever. And a lot of sacrifices got made in this man's life for the betterment of other people. And I just. I said to him, I go, is it. Is it time? And, like, he was. I think it's time my kids are older. And I was like, I'll support you in whatever way I possibly can. And it kind of came to fruition by people saying, well, will you be in it? I was like, yeah, I'll be in it. Like, yeah, I'll do it. No, no. Will you be in it? I was like, you mean, like, be in it? Like, be on it? And they were like, yeah. I was like, is that gonna be what's necessary? And they were like, we'd like it to be the perspective of both. And that was the moment we talked about where I was like, oh, okay. And it turned out to be a pretty transformative thing for me, because here's what John Edward learned. He had some serious unresolved Daddy issues that I thought I dealt with. And this book was a reflection of. Of me having to work through. Like, yes, I did the work. I understood my dad had an alcohol problem, and I understood who he was, and I understood why my mom and dad weren't together, and I understood why I went no contact. And I understood all of these things, and I kind of wrapped it up with a nice little bow. Yeah. But guess what? The little me inside was apparently needing some validation. Yeah. And what did the universe send in? An FBI agent. Wow. Who has the same patriarchal energy that my dad did, who gave me the validation, showed me value, and I was able to help him and get appreciation back. So who knew that this cathartic thing going to happen from, you know, an FBI guy trying to come expose me as a fraud. Right.

[Kate Hudson]

And is that. Is that in the book? That's great.

[John Edward]

Yeah. So chasing evil is all about. It's his journey, my journey, and like supernatural and true crime coming together.

[Goldie Hawn]

Exactly. And.

[Kate Hudson]

But also talking about your personal stories, your emotions, what you've learned, also how.

[Goldie Hawn]

So many people in the world carry that.

[John Edward]

Yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

They figure it out. They're strategically thinking. I know my father was this, my mother was that. They've made it all okay in one way or another, but they never. At the end of the day, where are you in all of that? It's good to have your executive function working, but where is that buried emotional construct that you haven't really experienced? And that was opened up by doing this, which is such an amazing, unpredictable, non traditional.

[Kate Hudson]

Like, we always think that traditionally you.

[John Edward]

Go to therapy, but I didn't think I needed therapy.

[Kate Hudson]

It was a non traditional thing.

[Goldie Hawn]

It's just so good.

[John Edward]

Yeah. Seriously. I was like, no, I'm good. I'm totally good. Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

No, I mean, when I was getting my wife now for 25 years, but when we were getting together and talking about stuff and my issues with my dad and. And she would. She said to me something that was like. She goes, yeah, you recognize them, but you've not. You haven't done anything to help yourself.

[John Edward]

Oh, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I know this happened. And I get it. I'm good. I get it. I know it. I figured out, like you said, wrap it up in a little bow. I got it. But she's like, you haven't done anything to sort of better yourself or dig through.

[John Edward]

Right. And then you become the dad. Right. And then now.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, gosh.

[John Edward]

Right. As you as the dad. Like, I remember my son was born. I went, oh, am I going to mess this Kid up. I don't have anything to pull from here. I don't have any. So what I did was I whipped out my psychic toolbox and I energetically parented my son and knocked it out of the park by giving him things that I didn't get from my dad. Exactly. And then five years later, when my daughter showed up, I had this quiet confidence. Like I got. I got this. Yeah. And then she showed up. And my dad was an Aquarius. He's an Aquarian. Right. He's passed, but he's an Aquarian. And I saw what my daughter's birthday was going to be. She was an Aquarian. And I went, oh, shit. This is going to be the universal seesaw. So what I didn't deal with, with my dad, Right. The Aquarian Libra parent child relationship inverted. And it became me and Olivia. And when Olivia came into this world, she came in with an energy of not liking me. It was a very weird dynamic. And everybody used to go like, oh my God, she's your little girl. Does she have you wrapped around her? Nope.

[Kate Hudson]

Nope.

[John Edward]

Not even a little bit. Yeah. Loved her mom did not like me. Yeah. And it. It set up a universal dynamic that could have perpetuated a negative relationship. And that's why I could say I did the work. I recognized there. I need to do the work. And then chasing evil kind of just now became the now. It's time for you to work on you. And that's.

[Kate Hudson]

Did you have the come to Jesus moment with your dad before he passed?

[John Edward]

Sure you did.

[Kate Hudson]

So you got it all out and.

[John Edward]

Figured it out multiple times. You did. Okay. Multiple times. Where I.

[Kate Hudson]

It wasn't unresolved.

[John Edward]

Me. Yeah. My feelings about it. Yeah. Like I could be logical about it. I could be logical and say, well, you know, he had issues. He had some stuff that he had to navigate and didn't make him a bad person. That made him a bad dad. And by the way, everybody loved him, so. Everybody loved my dad. Yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

Everybody facing their truths. It's hard. And sometimes you need these catalysts to get there. But you have actually will help so many people realize how to shake yourself from some of these what we call cyclical thinking or a lack thereof of the emotional connections. Emotions are so important and powerful. So there's a way that you're going to unlock a lot of things here.

[John Edward]

I hope so. And I want everybody, like Kate, I want everybody to be a student of the universe because. Because we're all here to learn. Right. So for anybody that's feeling Stuck. You may think, oh, my God, I need to go get a mediumship reading. No, you don't. Go have your astrological chart done and go to the place where you think that the stuck part happened, or go to the moment where you know that it happened, which could have been 20 years ago, and have that astrologer that you feel comfortable with literally talk you through. What was the lesson I was supposed to learn from that? Because I promise you, from that moment on, that lesson has been being taught to you over and over and over again.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah, And I don't do astrology.

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[Kate Hudson]

I just. I just found a journal from 25 years ago, and I started reading it, and it was depressing because it's still the same shit that I deal with today. I'm like, have I not learned anything?

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, it's like, you need to be more confident. You need to.

[Paola Ramos]

I'm like, what the.

[Kate Hudson]

How I'm supposed to have shifted by now. It's crazy.

[Goldie Hawn]

You have.

[Kate Hudson]

I have.

[Goldie Hawn]

I'm here to tell you those.

[Kate Hudson]

It's. They're sticky. Those deeper issues are sticky.

[Goldie Hawn]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, still. I mean, I. I. People didn't think I was smart when I was little. I had a learning disability. And, you know, I didn't know it. And, you know, we didn't know, you know, why you couldn't read very well. You know, because you may be dyslexic, but those things we didn't know. And I felt stupid. I signed every. All my papers at the end. Love, Goldie. But they weren't finished, right? They were unfinished papers. But I made sure that there was love in the room.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, if you. If you fit, you did. It's finished. Because love, Goldie, means there's an end. There's an end to it.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah. No, no, I ended it. But not at the right time.

[John Edward]

Yeah, it's like how.

[Gia Giudice]

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[Jorge Ramos]

I'm Jorge Ramos.

[Paola Ramos]

And I'm Paula Ramos.

[Jorge Ramos]

Together we're launching the Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one.

[Paola Ramos]

We sit down with politicians, I would.

[John Edward]

Be the first immigrant mayor in generations. But 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.

[Paola Ramos]

Artists and activists. I mean, do you ever feel demoralized?

[John Edward]

I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith, and that's what I believed in.

[Paola Ramos]

To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

[Jorge Ramos]

There's not a single day that Paula and I don't call or text each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.

[Paola Ramos]

Listen to the moment with Jorge Ramos and Paula Ramos as part of the Mikeultura Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kate Hudson]

Does a book read like it's nonfiction, but nonfiction. But does it read? It's got that punch to it. It's like, there's some prose and.

[John Edward]

Oh, no, it's a roller coaster. You come on the journey with us on these cases.

[Kate Hudson]

That's amazing.

[John Edward]

You come on both journeys. You come on the transformational journey, and you come on the criminal journey.

[Goldie Hawn]

What a great idea.

[Gia Giudice]

It would also be. It's going to be such a great book and also be such a great podcast.

[John Edward]

Yeah, it's funny you should say that, because I want Bob to do a true crime pop. I want him to do a true be great crime podcast.

[Kate Hudson]

Podcast.

[John Edward]

Yeah, but.

[Gia Giudice]

But with that, like, in. In connection. What an interesting. What a fun.

[John Edward]

Kate, you're being psychic. Because I literally told him last night. I was like, you know what you need? I go, you need to be doing a true crime podcast. I go, I could drop in from time to time, but you should investigate, like, all these other big cases. That'd be great. She's a great talker. Yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

I tell you a little story. So I had, in my house, my last house, I had a lot of water was being turned on on its own. Voices were being heard from activity going on. Oh, yeah, TV's off and on. One time, the one TV went on so loud, I couldn't believe it. In the middle of the night. It was like, okay, this is enough. All right. I did see a lady in the doorway. I told her, if she wants to stay here, she can. Don't worry about it. Just don't do anything welcoming. Very, very welcoming. You know, she belonged to whatever. I got a little information in the meantime. Then I called someone I know that is a medium, and I said to him, by the way, I need somebody here to clear the house, Right? So anyway, he brought this woman in, literally four foot, you know, seven. She was tiny. And she was someone that had this vision where she saw things when she was very little. So anyway, so he comes and he brings her to the house. And she's sitting. I'm a little bit late for the meeting. I come in and she says to me, okay, it's not. I just want to tell you, I didn't know her from Adam. But she said, what we're trying to do here, it's not the woman you saw in the house. This is a young man, okay, who's been with you for many, many years. He's been around you, and he's. Which we had to look this up, but he was killed during a Sharon Tate, they said, and that's where it came up. But he was explaining that he was delivering a video for. For any. And he worked in a video shop. So that particular night when all that happened, there was someone that came to the house delivering videos. So it all worked out because nobody really knew that. So. And they had research while I was gone. Anyway, I couldn't believe it, she said, but. Because that was my early days, he was in early movies, and he was in the movies. He fell in love with Goldie, right? And, you know, had a crush, whatever. And she said, he's never left you and he has not crossed over. And then he said a few things to me, which, you know, happened to be around what a private issue. But it was so true. And I thought, what are we going to do? And at which point she said, I will help him move over, you know. But it was very interesting to hear that. That she knew nothing about that and that he has followed me in many places that I've been.

[John Edward]

So, like, checking in. Like checking in with you.

[Goldie Hawn]

He's like, checking in. And he mentioned something about Wyatt and something about hockey, thinking, how does he know about that from the other side? So the question here is, okay, she put seeds around the house. She put seeds up to. But she blessed the house, okay? After that, everything happened. Nothing went on. We didn't have any water coming out of anything or TVs going on. It all seemed to stop. I guess my question is, is that true?

[Kate Hudson]

I mean, do people connect, attach themselves?

[Goldie Hawn]

Is that true?

[John Edward]

I've not had that experience. Me, personally, I do a lot of protection work. I do a lot of energetic protection. I've never had somebody tell me that they were stuck. I've never had somebody tell me that they didn't cross over. I've dealt with a lot of tragedies and I think that there's a process when people evolve through the physical world to the afterlife. I can't really speak to that because I wasn't. I wasn't there to feel what that. With what that is. It's like almost like assessing another, like, case that I can't really kind of speak to. Yeah, but so weird sometimes the interpretation that people have. Like, for example, I was brought into a house that was allegedly haunted, right. And there was real activity. I believe the activity was happening. And I said to the homeowner, I said, is there like a young girl going through puberty in this house? And she said, yeah, you're feeling that. And I was like, no, that's what's happening in your house. And she's like, excuse me. I go, it's just. It's a known thing that when a young girl is going through puberty that the electromagnetic energy and field around them presents as if, like, their space is haunted because it affects, like, electromagnetic frequencies like lighting and things and all this kind of stuff happens. So.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow.

[John Edward]

I don't know.

[Kate Hudson]

My daughter's 12, so.

[John Edward]

Here we go. Get ready. Kay. Did they just tell you that you may have to change, like, the nail polish on your toes or something? Or was there some conversation that you just had? No. What was the conversation about? Your feet.

[Gia Giudice]

I haven't had a conversation about my feet.

[John Edward]

Yeah, you did.

[Gia Giudice]

Not today.

[John Edward]

No. They. I'm supposed to tell you talk about the conversation about your. Either your toes. Now, this is my interpretation, so I don't want to take you to Philadelphia, but it, it seems like I'm supposed to validate, like, what's happening around you. So I don't know if you guys were talking about, like, you're going to be doing something and they're going to show your feet and you have to make sure you're feet are looking a certain way or.

[Gia Giudice]

Oh, my God.

[Goldie Hawn]

Well, I can tell you that she has the feet of my mother. You got grandma's feet, Kate.

[John Edward]

Like, it just happened. Like, this is recent.

[Gia Giudice]

I mean, we weren't talking about my feet. I don't think we were talking about my feet.

[John Edward]

Whose feet were you talking about?

[Gia Giudice]

Not today, Kate.

[John Edward]

Are your feet going to be exposed or seen? Wait, are we going to find out you're on wikifeet or something?

[Kate Hudson]

Exactly.

[John Edward]

This is going to be cool.

[Gia Giudice]

I'm going to do Only fans.

[John Edward]

Only fans.

[Gia Giudice]

I'm going to do an only fans puppet.

[John Edward]

Yes.

[Gia Giudice]

We have discussed in this makeup trailer that I'm going to do an only fans with feet puppets.

[John Edward]

Is that true? Yeah.

[Gia Giudice]

And that I was going to create like little characters out of my feet. This is real.

[John Edward]

Okay, but you're.

[Gia Giudice]

And then I was gonna create like scenarios like. Oh, like. Like my feet would have like leader hose and then be in the Alps or my feet would be like on the like kayaking on the beach and like a little thing of water. Like we would do these little feet characters.

[Goldie Hawn]

Well, that's.

[John Edward]

That, that's maybe Nicole. I'm gonna say yes.

[Kate Hudson]

Very lucrative. Well, it's not. Has been amazing, man.

[John Edward]

Thank you. We've.

[Kate Hudson]

We've held you pretty long here. One more question. How excited are you about Taylor Swift's engagement? I mean, isn't it fantastic?

[John Edward]

I'm. I'm so overwhelmed.

[Kate Hudson]

It's.

[John Edward]

I can't even control my.

[Kate Hudson]

I know. Me too. It's just.

[John Edward]

I'm gonna contain it.

[Kate Hudson]

It's just big time stuff. Well, thank you so much, my man. This has been really, really fun. I could talk to you for hours and hours.

[John Edward]

Thank you for having me.

[Kate Hudson]

This was really, really great.

[John Edward]

Excited for the book.

[Goldie Hawn]

I'm reading the book. I cannot wait.

[Kate Hudson]

The book is called Chasing Evil. Shocking crime, Supernatural forces and an FBI Agent's Search for hope and justice is available wherever books are sold. Go get it. It's incredible. It's a great read. Edge of the seat stuff. Thank you, John.

[John Edward]

Thank you.

[Kate Hudson]

Appreciate you. Thanks mama.

[Gia Giudice]

Thanks, John.

[John Edward]

Thank you.

[Goldie Hawn]

Thanks booby.

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[John Edward]

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[Jorge Ramos]

I'm Jorge Ramos.

[Paola Ramos]

And I'm Paula Ramos.

[Jorge Ramos]

Together we're launching the Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one.

[Paola Ramos]

We sit down with politicians, artists and activists to bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

[Jorge Ramos]

The Moment is a space for the conversations we've been having as father and daughter for years.

[Paola Ramos]

Listen to the Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola ramos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[John Edward]

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