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Kate Hudson
Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Frances McDormand
We wanted to do something that highlighted.
Kate Hudson
Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling revelry.
Frances McDormand
No, no sibling revelry. Don't do that with your mout.
Kate Hudson
Sibling ry.
KP (Michaela)
That's good.
Frances McDormand
So last night I went Tedeschi Trucks are in town. Their band, they're this Derek Trucks is amazing. One of the great guitar players of all time. And Susan Tedeschi is his wife who's a great like blues singer, guitar player. And they have this great band and it's very joyous and it's this amazing, like, it's like a musical experience. They always have like 14 people on the stage. It's so much fun. They're in town doing like the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. And turns out they were supposed to do it with this guy Joe Flaherty there, but he got sick. And so now they asked Chris to sing. And so Chris is gonna sing at the Hollywood at the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. My ex husband. And then they asked me to come sing a Neil diamond song. They played this like really fun small gig that they never do stuff like that at this place called the Peppermint Lounge in la. And it was so much fun. And we sang Forever in Blue Jeans. And then it was crazy because it was like, you know, I've known Derek Trucks since he was 20 years old and I was 20. We're the same age and we were babies in like this crazy, weird rock and roll world.
Kate Hudson
Almost famous stuff.
Frances McDormand
So when I. It was Chris. When I met Chris, Derek was a young, like sort of prodigy guitar player. And then he ended up in the Allman Brothers. And so. And then he had a band called Derek Truck's Band. And then, and then he met his wife and they. They have a band. But I had this whole thing and I seeing him was like, it was like bringing back for both of us, I think. Bringing back so many memories. And then I look on the stage and his like tech, his guitar tech used to work with the Crows. And I was like, frank. And it's just. There's something about the music world. It's really, really small.
Ella Anderson
Right.
Kate Hudson
Small. Yeah.
Frances McDormand
Danny goes. Danny comes and Danny's back there and it's like he runs into two old friends from his world and music and, you know, it was just one of those great nights. And it's something that music is that when you live or have experienced the road, whether you're a wife of someone, a girlfriend of someone, or you just have live in that experience, there's just. There's literally nothing like it. There's literally. It's. It's like one of the great.
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
Frances McDormand
Like happy places. It's just, you know. Anyway, okay, so Ali, real quick, before they come on.
Kate Hudson
Yes.
Frances McDormand
I'm very excited about this. We're interviewing my daughters from the movie song Sung Blue.
Kate Hudson
I know.
Frances McDormand
So Ella Anderson plays my daughter in this film. She is. I'm going to say this, we'll say this. She's absolutely wonderful and brilliant in this film and is going to have such an incredible career. KP King Princess is known as a musician. She is one of my favorite musicians out there. She's fucking amazing.
Kate Hudson
Awesome. Yeah.
Frances McDormand
She plays Hugh's daughter and is also just fantastic. So I'm so excited.
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Kate Hudson
Can we bring in the ladies?
Frances McDormand
Hi.
Ella Anderson
Hi.
Frances McDormand
Oh, my favorite ladies. Guys, meet my brother Oliver. I don't think you've met Ollie.
Kate Hudson
I met Ella. I didn't meet. I didn't meet kp.
Ella Anderson
Hey, Ollie.
Kate Hudson
Hi. How are you?
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KP (Michaela)
How are you?
Frances McDormand
Ollie, KP's on the road.
Kate Hudson
Are you.
Frances McDormand
She's on a bus with, like, 13 people right now.
KP (Michaela)
Well, actually, I'm in the Soho House currently.
Frances McDormand
But I got fancy. She decided to throw down and go.
KP (Michaela)
I hit my limit. I hit my limit.
Kate Hudson
My wife. My wife and I were watching SNL and KP came on. This was a while ago. And we were just. I was like, who is this? I mean, it was incredible. I think you were wearing, like, a tutu.
KP (Michaela)
It was a kilt. It was a feminine kilt.
Kate Hudson
Okay. Was it frilly? Maybe not.
KP (Michaela)
It was pants with a kill attached.
Kate Hudson
Okay.
Frances McDormand
I love that Ollie remembers what you were wearing because it was.
Kate Hudson
It was that good. She was that good. It was that good. I mean, it was because I hadn't heard of you and Aaron and I. My wife hadn't. And it. Boom. It was like, who the is this?
Frances McDormand
And then Aaron became obsessed.
Kate Hudson
Yes, she did. My wife.
Frances McDormand
Because when I was working with you, Aaron, his wife was like, oh, my God, I'm obsessed.
KP (Michaela)
Aaron to a show.
Kate Hudson
100%. She's in the other room right now. Like, you got to tell her about SNL and how we like feel about her. I'm like, babe, I'll get to it. So. But by the way, Ella, let's not leave you out, okay? Because Henry Danger is. You don't understand how huge this has been in my family. I have 18, 15 and a 12 year old girl, two boys. So when my boys were younger, Henry Danger, my daughter just finished an entire marathon of watching every single episode of Henry Danger.
Ella Anderson
Yeah, that is some commitment.
Kate Hudson
No, I know.
Frances McDormand
That's so cute.
Ella Anderson
That's amazing.
Frances McDormand
I don't even know what you're talking about.
Kate Hudson
Oh, Henry Danger was the show.
Ella Anderson
I know. I was on. I was on this show for a million years and it was Nickelodeon, you know, it was, it was wild. It was a time it the longest running, live action.
Kate Hudson
It was crazy. We saw that you guys like grow up like.
Ella Anderson
Sure. The marathon is that much more impressive because there's so many episodes.
Kate Hudson
No. Unbelievable. And again, my wife is like, make sure you tell her that, like, we love Henry Danger. I'm like, okay, babe, I got it.
Frances McDormand
Well, before we get into all of the fun stuff like the movie and everything, let's just like break down a little bit. Like, you know, Ella, we'll start with you. Where, where were you born and raised? I mean, I know all the answers.
Ella Anderson
To this, but yeah, of course I was born and raised in two different places. So I was born like 25 minutes outside of Detroit. I always put it that way. It depends on the traffic. It can be more with traffic, but no one knows where Ypsilanti, Michigan is. Uh, it's really adorable though, if you have the chance to go. You might not have much to do, but there are some sweet people. And then I moved to LA when, with my whole family. We all relocated when I was like six. So my formative years were all around the city and moving a ton and.
Kate Hudson
Yeah, why did you guys move to la?
Ella Anderson
I mean, it was, it was. All the stars were aligning. Like, my dad ended up getting a job that the company was based in Anaheim at the time. And I started working when I was really young. I didn't realize how young that I was, which I think in part was because I had two older brothers and I kind of thought that I was them and, and in the same chapter of my life as, as they were. But I also just. Yeah, once I found film, I, I just knew that it was what I wanted to do, so I was able to work as well. And then my brothers really liked the weather. They're super outdoorsy, active, so they like the fact that they could jump off of buildings and do parkour.
Frances McDormand
And. And there's three of you?
Ella Anderson
Yeah, three total.
Frances McDormand
And what are the age differences?
Ella Anderson
Okay, so I. I have two older brothers, but they're identical twins.
Frances McDormand
Okay.
Ella Anderson
Four years. And one of them is technically a minute older, but I think he acts the youngest in a good way. He's really. He's. He inspires me to be a little more free. And I'm the baby. I'm the baby girl. Only girl.
Frances McDormand
I remember your mom saying to me on set, Ella takes. She. She's like, I just want. Just buy it. Just get it. Just get this. Because Ella takes forever to, like, if she likes something. Yeah, she. Like, if it's a coat, she's like, oh, I don't know. She'll wait like a year to get a coat. Her mom's like, just buy the coat. I'm a wanderer.
Ella Anderson
I. That's the worst was, you know, even on set, you find yourself in conversations and then like three days later or a week later, I'll. I'll think, ah. If I had been able to. To think a little bit deeper on that or just let it ruminate, then I would have maybe said something, not said something. But my perspective is a little bit different on that now. So. Yeah, across my life, I like to think before I buy something, I need to make sure that I've known that I want it for, like a year.
KP (Michaela)
I wish I had that problem.
Frances McDormand
Please tell me about it. Me too.
Ella Anderson
It's torture, though, because it's always in the back of your mind and you're always like, ah. If I had that thing that I've been knowing that I need for like, four months, then I would be complete. But I just. I deprive myself.
Frances McDormand
Well, so I have. My. Basically, my west coast daughter is. Really? Which. You're the west coast daughter. And now kp, you're my east coast stepdaughter. So where were you born and raised?
KP (Michaela)
I was born in New York, in Manhattan. I was raised in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. I spent 18 years in Williamsburg and then seven in LA from, like, I guess. Yeah, 17 to 24 or five. I was in LA and yeah.
Frances McDormand
But I'm.
KP (Michaela)
I'm back in New York.
Kate Hudson
Were you in LA on your own? Did you move out to la?
KP (Michaela)
I moved out. So I got into USC when I graduated high school, and I went and did a year at USC at 17. And then I signed my record deal and, like, my first lease and I moved at, at 17, I moved into my own apartment. So I didn't even, I wasn't even 18. And then I was just in LA from, from then on as a young adult. As a teenager, really?
Kate Hudson
Wow. You were 17, living in Los Angeles, like, basically underage.
KP (Michaela)
I was underage. I had to. Yeah, they didn't look at. I didn't have any credit, so they didn't look at. I had, like, kind of a sus landlord. It was cool, though. It was cool. I lived in, like, a, like one of those, like, Melrose Place style.
Kate Hudson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like courtyard. Yeah.
KP (Michaela)
And it was kind of like if you could make a show about that apartment.
Kate Hudson
Where, where was, Were you In Hollywood.
KP (Michaela)
West Hollywood on North Laurel and Sunset.
Kate Hudson
Okay, I know exactly, I know exactly. Yeah.
KP (Michaela)
Up the street from Greenblatts.
Kate Hudson
Yep. Exactly where that is.
KP (Michaela)
Yeah, yeah. And it was, it was pretty cool. I mean, it was nice because, like, you could kind of give your keys to anybody, you know, like, and they would all. Everybody kind of took care of each other, but they also, There was so much fighting, so there was always drama. It was fun to, it was fun to watch the drama too.
Frances McDormand
I feel like, I feel like when I think about both of you. Well, also, you grew up in music. Michaela. Kp. I call you Michaela, but you, you grew up in music. Your dad is an engineer. And so what was, like, your kind of youth experience, like, in connection to music? Was it constant?
KP (Michaela)
So my dad's house in Williamsburg was like a factory building, and the apartment shared a wall with the studio, and it wasn't soundproof, so it was just constant. Like, if they were tracking drums or guitar, it was just constant noise, which I don't even think I registered. Like, I remember moving to LA and not being able to sleep because it was so quiet and. Yeah, I mean, you just couldn't keep me out of the studio. Like, I was just home from school, backpack, homework, set up in the studio, pretending to do homework, really just listening to everybody recording. I, I, you literally could not get me out of the studio. So, I mean, I think it was just an obsession, like, from. I think it was innate.
Frances McDormand
And what was your first instrument that you started playing?
KP (Michaela)
My first instrument was drums because my dad's a drummer. And I think, you know, being like an angry little lesbian, I wanted to smash. I wanted to smash stuff. I was drums.
Frances McDormand
You still want to smash stuff?
KP (Michaela)
A hundred percent. And then I think, I think I was probably like this because my dad did it. And then I, I moved to piano and guitar. Because I wanted to start comping for myself singing like I wanted to. I wanted to write and I wanted to sing songs. So I started with the more melodic instruments to. To basically play for myself.
Kate Hudson
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Frances McDormand
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Kate Hudson
Oh.
Frances McDormand
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Frances McDormand
What'S so interesting about both of you guys? Because now, Ella, people don't really know this, but you're a very good singer, beautiful singer, amazing singer, but you have a musician who started as a musician. That's the world that you know, who really wants to act and is loves getting into that art form. And then, Ella, you starting out acting, is music going to be the next thing that you kind of venture into?
Ella Anderson
That's such a good question. I feel like, yeah, I, I, my parents are musicians also, which wasn't even something that I thought about when we were filming Song Song Blue. But I think there are certain things that, in a way I understood about growing up with parents who have this, like, really artistic way of expressing themselves. And sometimes it's, you know, my parents aren't, aren't like accountants. They don't, they're creatives.
Frances McDormand
Yeah.
Ella Anderson
Yeah. That was kind of the, that was the first thing that I ever knew. And music was like the pillar for everything. And film was the thing that brought us together for leisure, which I fell in love with. But they're, they're really. Yeah, they're different parts of myself. I don't know. I'm, I only do things when they feel organic. So, you know, I consider myself sort of a singer, but a songwriter. And that only happened because my brother's studio was in the room next to mine, and there was a time where he was producing something that I got ideas for. And I went into his bedroom and sat on the floor on his carpet and started Writing to it. And then I started laying down vocals. Like, it's just. I do things when I feel drawn towards them. So in this very moment, I'm. I'm really focused on film and finding, like, the next thing I want to be a part of. And who knows when, when making more music will call back to me.
Frances McDormand
It's part of who I am. Do you feel like, you know, I think Craig. So Craig is our writer, director. Like, he's such an interesting guy because he. I always say Craig has music in him, you know, Like, I feel like the reason why this movie turned out so great is because he really understands music. He lives it, he loves it. He's like, Memphis, Tennessee, obsessed with musicians. Like, that's his world that he sort of exists in, in Memphis. More musical than film. But everyone in this movie has a. A real, like, not only profound connection to music, but like a longing to express themselves through. Through it, you know? And when he cast you, like, do you think that, like, he understood you guys as artists because he understood them, your musicality? Because that's how I. I see him.
Ella Anderson
I would say I. On my own.
Kate Hudson
I don't know.
Ella Anderson
Yeah. What's your experience? I mean, I'm curious what your thoughts are on.
KP (Michaela)
All I can. I mean, what was so great about this role for me is I had nothing to do with the music. Like, that was so lovely. Like, I was like, thank God I am not the one singing. I'm like, give it to Kate. I'm like, let Kate belt it out, girl. Let her have her moment, honey. I was like, fuck that. Which was awesome. But what was kind of healing for me about it was it's about growing, you know, it's about a family that is. That is kind of subservient to music, right? Like, the kids are like, we're, you know, you don't choose where you're born into. And we're. Our family was, you know, we're children of working class musicians, which I relate to. And I felt like going through the audition process with Craig and whoever else was in that room, it felt like those conversations were being had. Like, I was asked about my experience, and I think they saw that I related to being the daughter of a musician who didn't really have a glamorous career, you know, like, my dad doesn't have a glamorous career. My dad's a recording engineer. You know, I. I describe it as like, you know, you've got the people who design the Audis, and then you have the actual mechanics who Build them. And like, that's the engineers, the person in the garage, you know. And in a lot of ways, this family, Mike and Claire are. They're the mechanics, you know, they're the ones who are like bringing joy to the layperson at the air, you know, not at the stadium, not with the screaming fans for the majority of the movie. And so I thought that that was really. It was just really nice to have that part of myself seen by Craig and also just within the story itself, I guess, if that makes sense.
Kate Hudson
What was the audition process like?
KP (Michaela)
Yeah, I did like two auditions and I was just like. They were like, wow, you're really good at playing the daughter of an alcoholic. And I was like, yeah.
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
KP (Michaela)
I was like, I got this one in the bag, guys. Ella, what was yours like? I feel like that's more interesting. You have way more scenes than me. I feel like you probably had a way more extensive.
Ella Anderson
Isn't that funny? You would think. But it was really like a whirlwind I sent. So here's the best. And I don't think I've. I haven't told very many people this, but I just got a regular audition. I got a self tape. Yeah, man. And I went in to tape it and I literally was like, there's no way I'm getting this. This is a waste of my fucking time away.
Kate Hudson
But where, where did that come from? Meaning, like, it's just too big of a role. There's no way I'm worthy.
KP (Michaela)
I'm.
Ella Anderson
I'm a very ambitious person. I love a challenge. I don't think that it was the material itself. I think it was just. I was like, I. I saw on the email, it said Craig was directing it. And I saw, you know, Kate and Hugh were a part of it. Those were the only names that were attached on my email. I saw who's casting it. I deeply admire. It was just like, it's such a long shot and there are times where you send certain things into the abyss. And I was like, there's just no way. And so I was trying to tape it. And I'm a perfectionist. Um, and I'm not exaggerating. And I don't think I've really told this to anyone, but I was like, I'm deleting all of my takes. I deleted them off of the camera.
Kate Hudson
Wow.
Ella Anderson
I left, I went home and I woke up the next morning and I was like, oh, I'm probably not going to get it, but I just. I have a really specific take on this person. And I don't even care. I. I want to go back. And so I. I did it again and I sent it in and I didn't hear anything for a few weeks. And I was like, well, that didn't happen. And then out of nowhere, I was planning my first trip to. To Europe. First trip alone, first trip I'd ever planned. And I got an email or text or something like that, and it was like, you have a Zoom to meet with Craig to as like a callback. I was like, oh, my gosh. First off, I didn't expect that. But also, I'm supposed to be on a flight.
Kate Hudson
Yep.
Ella Anderson
So that's not good. I might not be able to do it. And fortunately, they were amazing and they worked around me. I had my suitcase in my car and I went on the Zoom right before I had to head to lax, did the Zoom. Then I go. I go to Italy and to Ireland. I'm there, I guess. My team was trying to get in touch with me for days, but I was like watching sheep in the, Like a castle. And I finally picked up the phone at 2am My time must have been something normal, LA time. And they were like, dude, once you get back home, you need to go to New Jersey for a screen test. And I just turned right in. It was wild. It was a really wild process, but it felt really quick because I. I just didn't even think it was feasible to be.
Kate Hudson
So the screen test was still part of the audition or had you gotten the gig? And then it was like, we're just going to do a screen test.
Ella Anderson
I think I was signing. I think I was signing everything. I think I had it.
Frances McDormand
You meant what you mean when we were all in Jersey taking pic, doing and doing our first things.
KP (Michaela)
Yeah, we had it by then.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. You were.
Ella Anderson
I was cast.
KP (Michaela)
But I think if that was an audition, I would.
Frances McDormand
I, like. That wasn't an audition. That was actually. That was the camera test.
KP (Michaela)
No, it was.
Ella Anderson
Oh, yeah. No, it wasn't a screen test. It was. It was the camera test.
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
Ella Anderson
I have a fear of being fired at any point.
Kate Hudson
Yeah. Let me ask a question, though. Like, when something like this happens and it's such an amazing moment, is there. Is there fear that kicks in, like, holy, I got it, now I have to fucking do it. Or are you. Is it just pure elation?
KP (Michaela)
Oh, yeah.
Ella Anderson
No.
Kate Hudson
Yeah. Or is it like, oh, my God, I got this gig and like, of course I want it, but, oh, like.
KP (Michaela)
Well, this is my. This is my second time doing this, so. Yeah, There's a little bit of fear still involved. I am truly under prepared.
Frances McDormand
Kp. At one point, we're doing a scene in the. In a. In the car. And, like, she's, like, vaping in the car. I'm like, kp, you can't. It was so, like. I was like, listen, I know this is still sort of a rock and roll kind of experience. I'm. But, yeah, vape in the car.
KP (Michaela)
I get away with a lot, I think, because I'm a musician. I think I get away with. They really give me quite a lot of leeway.
Frances McDormand
Oh, so funny. I was like, oh, she's definitely her second movie.
KP (Michaela)
Yeah, I'm definitely. I don't know. I feel like I'm a little bit, like, every time this happens now, I'm just like, oh, no, I gotta pull off.
Rob Gronkowski
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Kate Hudson
I can't stand the self tapes. It's like. Makes me nuts.
KP (Michaela)
I kind of like the self tapes.
Kate Hudson
Well, it's great from a. Just an economic standpoint. You're in your house, whatever. I just go over it so many times, and I look back, I'm like, I.
KP (Michaela)
That.
Kate Hudson
I can do better. I can do better.
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Kate Hudson
And it's 10 hours, and my wife is like, dude, we have to. We have to move out of this room. I'm like, I know, but I want more.
Ella Anderson
But at least you don't have to.
KP (Michaela)
Like, I have to pretend to be straight women. So, like, I have to. I have wigs now.
Ella Anderson
Like, I am.
KP (Michaela)
Like, I'm so. I'm not kidding. I have to.
Ella Anderson
Like, I need a photo of you in one of the wakes.
KP (Michaela)
Absolutely. I feel like I have outfits. I'm like, borrowing, begging, borrowing.
Kate Hudson
Oh, my God. Amazing.
KP (Michaela)
I gotta get my tits out. Like, it's crazy. Like, I gotta really, like.
Kate Hudson
Oh, yeah, it's hard.
KP (Michaela)
Ella, you don't. You take for granted that you look like a woman. I have to go from this to, like, a hooker.
Frances McDormand
Oh, stop it.
KP (Michaela)
No, it's tough, okay? Like, it's. It's. That's kind of my biggest. The biggest learning curve for me.
Ella Anderson
Right.
KP (Michaela)
Oh, because they can't really. Like, a lot of times I feel like it's like, a lot to ask them to use their imagination. So now I have to. So, like, I have a whole process now that I go.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. I mean, you have to. It's also. But by the way, I was like that even whether it was taped or in person, like, you want to show up the part.
KP (Michaela)
Yeah, I've gotten better at that.
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
Frances McDormand
I Mean, that's part of the. I always said to Ryder, I'm like, dude, like, you're. You're playing a 50s, like, crooner type. What are you doing? And with your hair like that? Like what? Put your hair. Get your hair right. Like, put on the right. Put on, like a. The right kind of shirt. Give them some vibe. Of what?
Kate Hudson
Sometimes actors can go too far where they'll, like, bring in a tea set.
Ella Anderson
I've seen that kind of thing.
KP (Michaela)
Yeah, Auditions.
Ella Anderson
It's like, why do you have a cane?
Kate Hudson
No, no, I. Yeah, I. I've seen that too. I. I did. I auditioned years and years ago. It was like a hockey movie. And I played hockey for eight years or whatever. But they.
Frances McDormand
These.
Kate Hudson
These dudes are in there with little hockey bags over their shoulder and, like, a stick. And I'm like, what are you gonna do in there with this hockey bag and the stick? I think they're just approving that. Oh, I actually play hockey.
Frances McDormand
I do feel like the auditioning process for me has turned into this thing that is so not. I think I like tapes. Cause you can access a lot of people and you can see a lot of talent, and for people who don't have access, it's a great way to find new talent. The, The. The issue I have with it is that when you're in the room with a. With a director and you're. Or even a casting director, and you're creating, like, a connection with them and a rapport with them, and you talk to them and then they start working with you, that's when you create relationships. Like, I don't think if I was a tape taping that I would have had the kind of success that I've had in getting parts. Like, part of what. What it was, was actually talking to people and being someone that hopefully would be really fun to work with.
KP (Michaela)
And I've only collaborative once. Like, that's how. That's. I feel like, how rare it is.
Kate Hudson
Like, it's just totally changed.
Frances McDormand
I've always said, now I won't do that. I won't. I won't cast unless it's like a small, small, small part. But I won't cast a speaking. Speaking part. Not in person. If I. If I'm directing. It's just. I don't understand it.
KP (Michaela)
Yeah, but look, you got us. You got us.
Kate Hudson
That's true. It seems to work out.
Ella Anderson
It was the best.
Frances McDormand
What was your, like, feelings first day on set? I love to ask you this, because I've never asked you this. Both of you. Like, what?
Ella Anderson
I. I was. I, I just got really.
Frances McDormand
Like. What were your first impressions?
Ella Anderson
My first impressions. You guys were better than I hoped, honestly. Like, you. You step into something and you just want to. I think I want to make sure that I'm allowing things to feel collaborative. And of course, like, a lot of this material was. Was intense at times, and I just wanted to make sure that I was, like, being that I was enhancing what Frank had already sculpted to a point. So, Kate, you said something about, hopefully you're a good, fun time to work with, and you absolutely are. You're like a party in this bitty body. Like, it was like, you're just. You're a container for a party. So I was immediately. I just felt so comforted and same thing with Hugh. KP is just the coolest fucking person alive. Maybe it like seeps off of her. I don't think she can control it. So it just. It just emits. She sweats. Cool.
Frances McDormand
Then the space hamster flew his hot air balloon all the way to the bottom of the ocean.
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Details. Well, Ella, you had a really interesting role because you, there was a part of you in this that had to carry a lot of weight. And you know, you're not. There's, there's levity and there's places in the script where there brings levity, but you're sort of carrying so much in terms of being the, you know, child of my, my baby and, and all the things that I'm experiencing and going through and then sort of the connection I have with Mike and meeting Mike and falling in love and you're sort of like the reason and the, you carry the fear of like not knowing what any of this is gonna bring. And you did such a great job of that. But you did when, you know, we could be like laughing and doing things and yelling at the TV screen, you always had to be carrying this sort of heaviness of like, this isn't like I need you to focus on real life, you know, mom. And so that with. That had to be like this age and this wisdom and your, your, your audition, which was amazing, really showed almost like sadness. Maybe that's not the right word. It's like a, a little bit of like sad magic. That, that, that was kind of so compelling. And then you showed up and you really delivered. Honey. It's your really great performance. It's a career changing performance. This is going to be exciting for you and your career is going to be really interesting to watch and I'm so excited for you because really you brought so much. You were lifting a lot in.
Kate Hudson
This. Maybe Sad Magic should be the name of your first.
Ella Anderson
Album. I feel inspired. I might have to do a voice note or something. Ideas. Thank you. That was really something that struck me about this role. And yeah, I think that's what it is. There was just so much pain that lived under the surface. And I imagine there were years of just struggle without. I think Mike, who became Papa, like, did add a lot to their lives and to the family. And in a way, I think Rachel had to handle certain things nearly on her own for a while. So, yeah, I'm glad that hopefully I was able to capture that a bit, but. Oh my.
Frances McDormand
Gosh. Yeah, it's. It's exciting. I was, I was talking with Michaela, with KP about this. I was like, you know, everybody, everybody delivers such a great, you know, performance and brings exactly what was needed, if not more, you know, and, and KP is the same thing. The kids, the kids really carry this sort of maturity, sort of like a more of an all knowing understanding of their parents. And I think a lot of people are going to relate to what it's like to grow up with, with parents that you feel worried.
KP (Michaela)
About. Oh.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. And, you know, and, and with that comes this sort of like watchful, gatekeep, you know, gatekeeper kind of role that you both play in this movie so well. And there's a great scene with KP and, and Hugh in the Thai diner that is so wonderful. And honestly, you guys do such great work. I. And, But I want to ask more questions about what your first impressions of me and Hugh were. Oh my God, kp, now you have to go. Your.
KP (Michaela)
Turn. Well, okay. I got there and I was like, that's Wolverine, dude. Like, Wolverine, dude. I was like, I had manifested, I think, being Hugh Jackman's daughter. I was always, I always related to Wolverine. I know this has nothing to do with this film. I was just like, wow, God. Even my agent was like, you manifested this? And I was like, I did. So I got there and it's just like, you know, he's just, he's kind of just everything you'd think he'd be. He's this like, delight. Like his, he's big and he's like this big presence, but he's gentle, just like Wolverine. And I just felt really, I felt, I don't know, immediately felt connected to him. Like, I was just like, this is a really good man. And he just asked a lot of questions. And I was kind of like in shock. I very rarely get, I'm very rarely in shock by somebody, but I was, I was, I was starstruck a little bit when he walked.
Frances McDormand
In. You aren't starstruck by.
KP (Michaela)
Me. No, because I saw you, and I was like. Because I was like. I saw you and I was like, that's my.
Frances McDormand
Girl.
KP (Michaela)
Right? I saw you and I saw. I saw. First of all, I was like, how. I need to get up in that Trace.
Frances McDormand
Trailer.
KP (Michaela)
Okay. I need. With that lady. That lady knows how to drink. So I'm ready. Let's go. A lot of late.
Frances McDormand
Night.
KP (Michaela)
Sure. I saw you, and I was like, sister, for sure. I. I felt like immediately like you and I were gonna. We were gonna party, and we.
Ella Anderson
Did.
KP (Michaela)
And.
Frances McDormand
Well. But Hugh. Hugh, to me, yeah, he's like a.
KP (Michaela)
Grasshopper. He's like. It's hard to describe. He's got this, like, this, like. He's a gentle giant, and he's got this, like, fatherly thing. But it's also just like, he's very young at.
Kate Hudson
Heart.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. He's like a young spirit. It's like, he hasn't been. This is like. It's. It's. And he's. There's. Yeah, there's something. He's a. He's a fascinating person because it's so pure. He's so.
KP (Michaela)
Pure. Yeah. He really, like, immediately opened his heart, and, like, we were just like, the set. I feel like within 10 minutes of talking, I'm, like, telling him about, like, my family trauma. And I'm like, okay, well, yeah.
Kate Hudson
There'S certain kinds of people who just weirdly open up.
KP (Michaela)
To. Yeah. Which was really. I mean, I try to treat. And this is the case for all of you, Ella, and especially you, because you and I have some really important and beautiful scenes together. But, like, I just feel lucky that going into this new career that every time I do this, I get a masterclass from the people I'm working with. You know what I mean? Like, I'm. I'm new to this, so I try to treat each job as school, you know, or class. And I've just been really lucky that every time I step onto set, I feel like everyone's in a good way, everyone's better than me, and I can be a student to everyone. And that's how I felt. Just. I was watching. I was an observer to all of you and to what you were doing and bringing. And I felt like parts of it seep into. Into my memory bank of how to be better at this job, you know? And so it's really.
Kate Hudson
Special. I have a question about.
KP (Michaela)
You.
Kate Hudson
Yeah. Oh. Did you have to mask his muscles? Because the biceps in the.
KP (Michaela)
Movie. Oh.
Kate Hudson
Love. They were. It was like. It was like, okay, well, it's Almost like Craig was like, shoot, you have to gain weight. He's like, no, Because, you know, he was shredded.
Ella Anderson
Still.
Kate Hudson
Yeah. There was one thing where he kind of had his shirt off and you're like, oh, Jesus. Like.
KP (Michaela)
This. He's these little boxes of, like, planned meals. Did you notice that.
Frances McDormand
Kate? Yeah, no, he's. He's. He. He's very.
Kate Hudson
Disciplined.
KP (Michaela)
Yeah. No, he's like my ideal body type for.
Ella Anderson
Myself. His legs were.
KP (Michaela)
Spectacular. He has stunning.
Kate Hudson
Legs.
Frances McDormand
Really? Oh, my God, his legs. Oh, and they're long. That's why he's like a grasshopper to me. He's like these. He's all.
KP (Michaela)
Legs. His legs are beautiful. And he wears a bootcut jean. A.
Kate Hudson
Boot. Right. So it's like tight around the quad and sort of at the knee, it releases just a little.
Frances McDormand
Bit. And he's got a gorgeous little tushy. It's like, everything's just.
KP (Michaela)
Perfect. You know, every scene that we're, like, hugging him. I don't know if you notice this, Ella. It's like, you know, there's a bunch of scenes where we're just, like, getting hugged by him. My hands are just on his.
Ella Anderson
Tits. I think I saw that mid hug. I couldn't. Interrupting.
KP (Michaela)
Something. I couldn't. They were being drawn like a magnet. I don't know what.
Kate Hudson
Happened. Oh, my.
Frances McDormand
God. Oh, so funny. Yeah, it's funny when you gain weight for a role. I. I get it. You know, because Mike didn't really need it for me. I had to get soft, you know, because it was really, like, important that. That. That Claire, she's definitely not. Like, I'm so athletic in my normal life. Like, I was like, I have to let her go. I gotta let her.
KP (Michaela)
Go. I was into it, by the way. I thought it was a great look for.
Frances McDormand
You. Well, look, you know, it just. And I. It's not like I'm like Hugh. Where I'd see Hugh and he'd be like, you know. You know, jump roping and doing his things, you know, between takes and stuff. And I was just like, oh, God, I miss. I miss, like, taking care of.
Kate Hudson
Myself. You were, like, eating like, an.
Ella Anderson
Apple. Insanely like you. It still was shining through. I remember there was one time it was like you were shooting pretty late and you started stretching and I was like, holy fuck. Like, she's so flexible.
Frances McDormand
Impressive. Oh, well, it was. That was. We had such a great time and. And we filmed in our house in this, like, in Jersey. We had this, like, little crazy house and it was freezing and Then it was too hot and freezing. This was like. There was no frills, really, on this set. Except my. Except our trailer, which we were never that. It was a nice.
KP (Michaela)
Trailer. Kate had a really nice.
Frances McDormand
One. It was a nice trailer, but we were hardly there unless we were like, you.
Kate Hudson
Know. No, I just did an episode of her TV show, and I know all the guys there. Kate's trailer, like, takes up half the stage on the outside. And then. And then Justin and everyone else is just like. Like, three banger. What are you guys doing in here? They're like, kate took.
KP (Michaela)
Everything. She deserves it. She's a diva. She's loyalty. Hold on.
Frances McDormand
I. That's not fair. That movie or that show. Our show is. They come and go. Like, Justin's like. He's like, I came in, I did a little scene, like. And then I don't have to come back for, like, seven hours. I'm gonna go, like, to Aloe and, like, cold plunge. I'm like, fuck off. I'm here all day, like, 15 hours a day. But you know what's fun is my trailer is the hang spot. So, like, every. We end up hanging out together, which I think is like, you know, I'm like, Frances McDormand said to me on the set of Almost Famous, she goes, nobody should have trailers. And I actually feel that way about trailers. I think they're that.
KP (Michaela)
Way. Really? I don't know. I live on a bus. So for me, trailer feels, like, really connected. Like, I love.
Frances McDormand
Trailer. I know, but. But together. Like, it'd be one thing if, like, there was like. Like, that's why, like, the green rooms are.
Kate Hudson
Fun. Green rooms are the best.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. You're together and you're. You're. You're connected, and you're on that. You're in this excitement, collective experience, instead of people, like, going to their weird, you know, little areas. Well, what are you most excited about moving forward from this? Like, Ella. I mean, kp, we haven't seen you yet. We've just started the process. Are you gonna come out and are you coming to the.
KP (Michaela)
Premiere? I will be in.
Frances McDormand
Europe. You're on tour. It's so.
KP (Michaela)
Sweet. I'm on tour, so, unfortunately, no. But I did get to do some really fun press stuff for this movie in New York before I left. I miss you guys, and it's definitely unfortunate, but, I mean, I saw the movie and I thought it was amazing. Like, I. Me and my girlfriend were crying. I was like, this is a beautiful.
Frances McDormand
Film.
Kate Hudson
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, before we get out of here. That's what I just wanted to say too. I mean I saw it at the LA premiere and not. You haven't seen movie. A movie made like this in a long time. You is a throwback. Movies used to be like this and I think you guys and Craig walked this really amazing line of being upbeat even through tragedy. He didn't harp on it so much. It was still uplifting and it felt. Felt good, you.
Frances McDormand
Know. Yeah. He did such a great job of making something that feels and is like incredibly tragic. Inspiring. You. You leave there going like, yeah, life is hard. Life.
Kate Hudson
Yeah. Last time you saw like a true old school feel good movie. I mean that's what this was to.
Frances McDormand
Me.
KP (Michaela)
Yeah.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. I mean rock.
KP (Michaela)
Rock. Like a rock and roll movie too. You know what I mean? That musical movies can. I feel like can lean really trauma porny or like really corny vibes and yeah. Right in the middle to me where it's just perfect. Like you get the sadness, but you.
Frances McDormand
Get. Yeah, I love a good emo. The sadness and darkness in music is just the.
KP (Michaela)
Best. That's where it's.
Frances McDormand
Like. Yeah, like needle in the hay. Like Elliot Smith. Like it's just.
KP (Michaela)
All. Yeah, that's what I've been giving on stage. Just sad. Just.
Kate Hudson
Pure. Just pure.
Frances McDormand
Sadness. Sad.
Kate Hudson
Magic. Sad magic. No, but KP can't take that because that's Ellis, that's.
KP (Michaela)
El. I don't want it. I won't say it's for.
Ella Anderson
Everyone. I, whoever it applies to, all give you the.
Frances McDormand
Rights. I'm going to say this to all of our listeners. You have to check out KP's music. You have to see her on the road. She's an absolute dream. I love her. And we want you to see our movie because we all love it so much and we're really proud of it and hopefully you guys will all check it out and these amazing young actors in it. All right, love you.
Kate Hudson
Guys. Love you guys.
Frances McDormand
Bye. Thank.
Kate Hudson
You.
Frances McDormand
Cool. So great. And yeah, they're so great and they were so great in the movie.
Kate Hudson
And I know, really, really, really, really.
Frances McDormand
Great. And I love getting to know them. And Ella is just fantastic. And kp, like she said, like.
Kate Hudson
I didn't realize she just got getting started. She's incredible. Ella blew me the fuck away. I thought she was amazing. And you know, standing up against you and Hugh, who are just amazing and professional and doing it for so long, she was almost such a necessary, integral part of the movie because she is the reflection, you know, I mean, you have to have that character to see who these people are actually affecting. Yeah. It's like this voice of reason, essentially. And she was just.
Frances McDormand
Phenomenal. She's amazing. She's amazing. I hope she. I. I, like, every time I'm talking to journalists and people, like, she really is. It's just like one of those young talents where you're like, whoa, where did this come.
Kate Hudson
From? She is doing it forever. Like, do yourself a favor, Google Henry Dange. She's like a.
Frances McDormand
Baby. And it just goes to show that, like, talent finds its way wherever it's supposed to go. And however, you know, as. As actors, you can only do as much as you're given and the opportunities that come to you. But, like, never underestimate. No matter what anybody's done, if they have talent, it can. It will show itself, you know, and at some. Yeah. And this really, like, it's exciting for her as her movie mommy. I'm, like, really excited.
Ella Anderson
And.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. And kp, like, she said, like, we just became.
Ella Anderson
Cool.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. Like, we go out. Like, I was like, oh, so you're my new best friend and we're gonna hang out all the time. We. We've had some great nights where we've just, like, gone out and, like, eaten amazing. And we love our martinis, and we're just. She's the best, and she's so talented.
Kate Hudson
And.
Frances McDormand
Yeah. And I love you.
Kate Hudson
Oliver. All right, I'm leaving.
Frances McDormand
You. Okay. Okay, bye. Shh. You won't believe what my new friend just told me about.
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Date: December 15, 2025
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts
This episode of Sibling Revelry dives deep into the creative and emotional experiences behind the film Song Sung Blue, with co-host Kate Hudson and brother Oliver Hudson joined by Frances McDormand and her “daughters” from the movie: rising actress Ella Anderson and acclaimed musician-turned-actor Michaela Straus (KP, aka King Princess). The conversation explores sibling dynamics, creative upbringings, transitioning between music and acting, stories from set, and what it means to be part of a project with deep personal resonance.
“There's something about the music world. It's really, really small.” — Frances McDormand (05:58)
“My parents aren’t like accountants. They don’t—they’re creatives…music was like the pillar for everything.” — Ella Anderson (21:53)
“You just couldn’t keep me out of the studio…I think it was just an obsession. I think it was innate.” — KP (Michaela) (16:15)
“It’s about a family that is kind of subservient to music. The kids are—you don’t choose where you’re born into…our family was, you know, we’re children of working class musicians, which I relate to.” — KP (Michaela) (24:36)
“They were like, wow, you’re really good at playing the daughter of an alcoholic. And I was like, yeah.” — KP (Michaela) (26:41)
“I literally was like, there’s no way I’m getting this. This is a waste of my fucking time [laughs]…I didn’t even think it was feasible.” — Ella Anderson (27:04)
“Your audition…it’s like a little bit of sad magic. That was kind of so compelling. It’s a career changing performance.” — Frances McDormand (41:28)
“Movies used to be like this…even through tragedy, it was still uplifting and felt good, you know?” — Kate Hudson (53:06) “Rock and roll movies can lean really trauma porny or corny vibes, and this is right in the middle…you get the sadness, but you get [the joy].” — KP (Michaela) (53:29)
The episode is intimate, irreverent, and supportive—true to the Sibling Revelry tradition. Personal revelations, banter, and mutual admiration abound amidst thoughtful discussions about family, creativity, resilience, and what it means to find your place in both art and life.
“You have to check out KP’s music, see her on the road…We want you to see our movie because we all love it and we’re really proud. Hopefully you guys will all check it out and these amazing young actors in it.” — Frances McDormand (54:17)
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