Rahm For President?

Summary

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson & Oliver Hudson

Episode: "Rahm For President?"
Date: December 1, 2025
Guest: Rahm Emanuel

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode of Sibling Revelry, Kate and Oliver Hudson welcome Rahm Emanuel—former mayor of Chicago, former White House Chief of Staff, and current U.S. Ambassador to Japan. The conversation traverses Rahm’s childhood and the Emanuel family dynamic, his surprising passion for dance, raising driven children, the nuanced father-daughter bond, family meals, nature vs. nurture, the meaning of public service, and, most tantalizingly, Rahm’s potential aspirations for the U.S. presidency.

The tone is candid, warm, and rife with humor, as the hosts and guest swap stories about family chaos, discipline, and the impact of upbringing on values and ambitions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Sibling Dynamics & Growing Up Emanuel

• Three Brothers and a Sister:
  • Rahm shares about growing up with two brothers (Ari and Zeke) close in age, later joined by an adopted sister with special needs ([07:38]).
  • "Nobody should be punished with two Emanuels, let alone three." — Rahm ([06:48])
• Classic Sibling Antics:
  • Recounts stories like jumping off bunk beds into the baby’s crib: “Zeke and I used to jump from the top bunk into the crib to see how high the baby would bounce. Does explain why Ari started walking at eight months.” — Rahm ([08:26]–[09:07])
• Family Debates & The Dinner Table:
  • Family meals were a battleground for ideas, not food. “You had to come to the dinner prepared to defend or to argue... My mother made the table round so there was no head of the table.” — Rahm ([15:07])
  • Both parents deeply involved in social issues; mom in civil rights, dad a pediatrician and activist ([13:45])

On Parenting & Family Traditions

• Strict Yet Present Parents:
  • The Emanuels valued heated discussions and steadfast parenting involving dinner rituals and academic expectations.
  • "I don't buy quality time, and I don't buy quantity. I buy presence—being present in your child's life." — Rahm ([17:01])
• Family Literacy:
  • Rahm shares about summer reading lists and book-led family discussions ([17:54])
• Kate & Oliver Contrast:
  • The Hudons reflect on their less-structured family meals due to their parents' showbiz careers, but value their own attempts at fostering togetherness ([31:19]–[32:40])

Nature vs. Nurture

• Nature Wins Out:
  • Initially a "nurture" proponent, Rahm now sees nature as dominant:

    “Having had my three kids, I'm of the view that nature is a dominant force. Certain traits become more dominant in their character...” — Rahm ([34:46])

• Family Legacy:
  • Kate ponders ancestral trauma and traits carried in DNA. “We carry, I believe, those strands of memory.” ([35:23])
• Character over Grades:
  • On parenting metrics: “You know you’ve done well as a parent—not by report cards—but by who your kids pick as friends.” — Rahm ([40:34])

The Father–Daughter Relationship

• Its Undervalued Importance:
  • Rahm and Oliver bond over the unique roles fathers play in daughters’ development:

    “Specifically around 12, a father's role in your daughter's life is more important than the mother's.” — Rahm ([19:19])

  • Oliver beams about his daughter’s independence and their special bond ([22:55])

Dance, Discipline, and Self-Discovery

• Rahm’s Dance Origin:
  • Took up ballet in high school to improve as a soccer player—discovered a hidden passion and talent. ("I walk in and there's 29 women... I'm good at it, actually.") ([46:33])
  • Studied at prestigious institutions; almost pursued a professional dance career ([47:30])
  • Ballet gave Rahm life-saving physical health after a near-fatal accident ([50:03])

Health, Fitness and Routine

• Rahm’s Regimen:
  • Presently swims, weight trains, practices yoga, and cycles internationally—a discipline rooted in dance ([48:00]–[48:53])
• Hudsons Relate:
  • Both hosts discuss their own (sometimes reluctant) histories with ballet and fitness ([50:29])

The Role of Humor

• Levity in Intensity:
  • Humor vital in the Emanuel household. “We used to play the Mel Brooks 2000 Year Old Man every Sunday night. My dad thought it was the funniest thing ever.” — Rahm ([33:48])
• Chuck Schumer confusion gets a running joke ([33:26])

Public Service & American Opportunity

• Family & Civic Duty:
  • Rahm required his kids to serve; two now in the Navy ([25:24], [37:12])
  • “I grew up with the Kennedy ‘public service is a noble profession’ ethos.” — Rahm ([39:20])
• On Today’s Youth:
  • Sees this generation as more civically aware than his own ([40:01])
• Rahm for President?
  • Openly mulling a presidential run: “I'm making a decision in the next two years about whether I run or not for presidency... that would be the last office I would seek.” ([51:39])
  • Driven by concerns about the American Dream, systemic inequality, and a desire to restore faith in democracy ([52:26])

Fly Fishing, Friendship & Adventure

• Rahm, Oliver, and Kate’s Shared Love:
  • Warm discussion of fly fishing trips around the world—Patagonia, New Zealand, Iceland ("I'm coming with you, I know I'm not invited, but I'm coming." — Rahm, [11:12])
  • Dreaming of future group trips and adventure ([55:51], [56:11])
  • For Rahm, fly fishing is vital for mental health and presence ([13:10])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Emanuel Sibling Energy:

  "Nobody... Nobody should be punished with two Emanuels, let alone three." — Rahm Emanuel ([06:48])

• On Competitive Sibling Games:

  "We used to jump from the top bunk into the crib to see how high the baby would bounce." — Rahm Emanuel ([08:26])

• On Presence in Parenting:

  "I don't buy quality time, and I don't buy quantity. I buy presence—being present in your child's life." — Rahm Emanuel ([17:01])

• On Family Dinner Debates:

  "You had to come to dinner prepared to defend or to argue." — Rahm Emanuel ([15:21])

• Father/Daughter Dynamic:

  “Specifically around 12, a father's role in your daughter's life is more important than the mother's.” — Rahm Emanuel ([19:19])

• On Presidential Ambitions:

  “I'm making a decision in the next two years about whether I run or not for presidency...that would be the last office I would kind of seek.” — Rahm Emanuel ([51:39])

• Fly Fishing Spirituality:

  "There's a spiritual, cathartic component to it all." — Oliver Hudson ([11:58])

• On the Value of Art and Service:

  "Creating art is a calling... It's to impact a community, an experience... As important as being in service of community." — Kate Hudson ([60:08])

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Important Timestamps

• Sibling banter and guest intro: [03:08]–[07:00]
• Sibling order, bunk bed stories & family makeup: [07:38]–[09:10]
• Fly fishing and its meaning: [10:12]–[13:10], [55:51]–[56:30]
• Childhood, family values, dinner debates: [13:45]–[17:01]
• Parenting philosophy—being present: [17:01]–[18:08]
• Father-daughter relationships: [19:19]–[25:24]
• Nature vs. nurture, DNA and character: [34:46]–[37:06], [40:34]–[41:32]
• Public service motivation and kids' careers: [37:12]–[40:09]
• Humor in the Emanuel family: [33:26]–[34:09]
• Dancing past, fitness present: [45:41]–[50:58]
• Rahm’s thoughts on running for president: [51:39]–[53:42]
• The challenge of restoring American fairness: [52:26]–[53:42]

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Closing Reflections

• Rahm’s gratitude:

  "We don't talk as a country enough about the fact that...how important family is. While it's fun, we were joking, the fact that you guys decided not about your professions or whatever, but about your person—I can't thank you both enough for letting people in on not only your lives, but having people talk about theirs." — Rahm Emanuel ([56:52])

• Kate on finding common ground:

  “No matter what side you're on, those family realities are all interconnected... If you can just talk about it, you find common ground in an area that is not so divisive.” — Kate Hudson ([57:24])

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Takeaway

This episode is a rare exploration of the intersection between family, personal values, and public service—from the perspective of one of America’s most formidable political families, hosted by two siblings who know the joys and chaos of a nonstandard upbringing. Whether Rahm Emanuel will run for president or stay focused on fly fishing, his perspective on presence, discipline, humor, nature vs. nurture, and the bonds that shape us all offer plenty for any listener to savor.

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Transcript

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[Oliver Hudson]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Kate Hudson]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Oliver Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are. A sibling rivalry.

[Kate Hudson]

No, no sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Rahm Emanuel]

That's good.

[Kate Hudson]

Ollie. We're doing our intro right now. I'm very excited to talk to Rom.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Do you know him, by the way?

[Kate Hudson]

I. You know, I've met him. Yeah. I don't know him. I know his bro. I know Ari. Yeah, you know, because was. And Patrick was my agent for a while. For a long time. So I know Ari pretty well and he's besties with my bestie, all that stuff, you know. But, but, but, but I don't, I don't know Rom as very well, but what I do when I hear his name is I hear Deepak Chopra doing the. The chakra meditation with me. When you do, he does a shock and he goes ram. And Ram, I believe, I think is the one of maybe the root chakra.

[Oliver Hudson]

Is it. Is that it?

[Kate Hudson]

I don't know. Hey, Siri.

[Kal Penn]

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[Oliver Hudson]

Let's look this up.

[Kate Hudson]

Chakra sound is rom.

[Oliver Hudson]

What does it mean?

[Kate Hudson]

Okay. Okay. Associate the element of sound.

[Rahm Emanuel]

No.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay, well, okay.

[Kate Hudson]

Meanwhile I speak. Okay, so chakra sound Ra.

[Oliver Hudson]

I didn't get into the chakras, but I've got some interesting information.

[Kate Hudson]

So I DM this the guy who did, you know. Nims. Nims die. He did the seven Peaks that Saw documentary where he like did all.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Kate Hudson]

Trying to get me to climb Everest.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, Jesus, forget about it.

[Kate Hudson]

Listen, I told him I was like, it'll. I was like, it'll never happen. But I love. He's my DM buddy.

[Oliver Hudson]

And he's like.

[Kate Hudson]

He's like, hey. He's like, hey, do you want to climb Everest? Like if you dream, we. We can do it. We can make this possible. I'm like, absolutely not. But we have a really funny DM relationship. And he's. He's a really nice guy.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, he's cool. Crazy cool.

[Kate Hudson]

But maybe I could do another peak. Like, you know, something less crazy.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, you know, maybe, you know, like.

[Kate Hudson]

Like Everest. Could you imagine me on Everest? No, no, this is I it to like the. Literally the first base camp. I'd be like, this is great, right?

[Kal Penn]

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[Oliver Hudson]

Even getting to the first camp is snarly.

[Kate Hudson]

It's so funny. I. I love it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay, so Rah Emanuel, very excited to talk to him. Going over his sort of bio. We're pretty connected. He's. I'm going to talk to him about fly fishing. He's a big worker outer, which I am too now.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I pump and he's an extremely interesting guy. I watch him on the news all the time. We're not going to get deep into politics, but it's hard not to scratch the surface anyway, especially given the landscape of what we are doing. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Kate Hudson]

But I don't know. I don't know what landscape you're talking about.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's the landscape in my mind.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, politics. Rom is the solar plexus chakra. I'm really. Yes.

[Oliver Hudson]

Let's, let's see if he knows this. I wanna, I wanna.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

But I am excited to talk to him.

[Oliver Hudson]

Let's bring him in. Let's talk about his chakras.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Hey.

[Oliver Hudson]

Me.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, it's nice to see you.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Nice to see you guys.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Have you and Kate met through your brother?

[Kate Hudson]

No, I don't think so. I was thinking maybe it's something, maybe, but I don't think so.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I know so. I would. No, I, we have not.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, nice to. Nice to meet you.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Nice to meet you guys.

[Kate Hudson]

I have a long history with your brother.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Nobody, nobody. Nobody punished with two Emanuels, let alone three.

[Kate Hudson]

I can't imagine. I'd actually like to be a fly on the wall when you guys all.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Get together, but you will never get a word in edgewise.

[Kate Hudson]

I, I, I, I imagine.

[Oliver Hudson]

Is it like that?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah. Well, I bet that's the same thing for your family.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I wonder who talks the most in our family.

[Oliver Hudson]

Or in the Roms or the Emanuels in our family.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I can tell you who talks the most in ours.

[Kate Hudson]

So definitely Ari.

[Rahm Emanuel]

No, no. Zeke talks about things he knows nothing about.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's a lot.

[Rahm Emanuel]

That's a wise.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, you are you three brothers and, and. No, that's it. It's just three boys.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Well, no, the short answer is three brothers.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Rahm Emanuel]

12, 13, 14 years later, mom and dad adopt a young girl. She's a week old, has physical, a lot of issues. And so it's kind. It's like a. So we protect her.

[Kate Hudson]

So growing up, though, you guys were really super, like a tight. And, and how many years apart are you guys?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Ari and I are 16 months to the day.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Okay. November 29th, March 29th. Zeke is older than me by 21 months.

[Kate Hudson]

So basically mom just.

[Oliver Hudson]

She went for it.

[Kate Hudson]

She, like, spit you guys all out.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Go to dad. Hey, two things.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Dad had. Dad had a really good few years.

[Kate Hudson]

Did you guys fight all the time?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Well, not all the time. Zeke gets his own bedroom because he's the eldest boy. Yeah. Ari and I shared a room together growing up. Right now, when we were very young. There's an infamous story of this. Zeke and I have a bunk bed. This is when we're living in the city. Ari is the crib next to the bunk bed. Zeke and I used to jump from the top bunk into the crib to see how high the baby would bounce.

[Kate Hudson]

That's what I imagine three boys so close in age would be doing.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah. And, you know, it does explain why I already started walking at eight months.

[Kate Hudson]

It kind of explains everything.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah, that's a very good point.

[Kate Hudson]

I. I see you guys grew up in the city.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I grew up in the city. I am in third or fourth grade is when we move to Walmad. So up until 4th, 3rd or 4th grade. I can't remember exactly. We move. We're in the city on Winona and Broadway, which is edgewater, community of Chicago. And then we move up to Wilmette.

[Kate Hudson]

So you grew up in the cold.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Don't force me to make fun of you because you're so.

[Kate Hudson]

California.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah. I kiss up California.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

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[Kate Hudson]

I grew up in the Rockies too.

[Oliver Hudson]

We had some Colorado in us.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I read a little about that. Before we go anywhere, I do want to talk about Oliver's dancer in his. His 12 year old.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Because I did ballet. I want to talk about that.

[Oliver Hudson]

I wanted to talk about ballet. I also want to talk about fly fishing because I've been fly fishing since I was 6 years old. Like, you know, fishing is my passion. It's not just fly. I have a boat in la. I go catch big blue bluefin all the time. Like, I. I am a big fisherman, period.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I have been fly fishing. And I know this does not look like fly fishing. 25 years. Nothing like standing in the water. Yep. And waiting. Up in Montana, we have Amy as my place.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, Kimmel. Jimmy's a huge fly fisherman as well.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah, well, Jimmy Kimmel's. Yeah, there's a couple people.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

David Letterman has a place about 45 minutes from where I live.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, wow.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Letterman. Like to fly fish? Yes, I'd love. I would. I'd love to see a fly.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Do you fly fish?

[Kate Hudson]

I fly fish with my brother, but I'm like one of those people that likes to float.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, she likes the float trips.

[Kate Hudson]

I like to float and drink. I want. I want to. I want to fly fish on the floater thing on the.

[Rahm Emanuel]

You want to be on the water? Want the Water rushing at you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I have a dream to go to Iceland.

[Oliver Hudson]

I want to go to.

[Kate Hudson]

I want to go to Iceland and fly fish. That's something. A trip I really want to do.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Okay, I'm coming with you. Well, I know I'm not invited, but I'm coming.

[Kate Hudson]

I have a friend, Peter, a freelander, who. Who loves to fly fish. Loves fishing. I'm trying. I've been trying to get Ollie and him together and. And he goes to Iceland every year. And I'm like, I want to. I want to go on that trip. I want to go on that trip and do that.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it's good. It's good salmon there. But also Patagonia, I've never done. And I want to do that. Yeah. How incredible is it?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Actually, three times. If you come to Chile. Sergeant Patagonia.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Rahm Emanuel]

The other. Great trip.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I'll send you the video afterwards.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

New Zealand. You helicopter into a gorge.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

And they come pick you up six o' clock at night after you're there, dropped off by yourself and. Or with a guide.

[Oliver Hudson]

My God, that's incredible.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, that's. The beauty of fly fishing, you know, is it's just so much more than fishing. You know, there is a spiritual, cathartic component to it all.

[Kate Hudson]

When did fishing. Because I know for Oliver, it started, like, really young. Like, it started at Troutdale. We, like, went to Troutdale and Ollie sat in, like, a little pond, fake pond.

[Oliver Hudson]

Obsessed. Obsessed with fishing all my life.

[Rahm Emanuel]

So we. Amy and I make a decision. We want to take the kids to travel the world. And a friend of ours has a single child and unfortunately just passed away. And so our first trip is to Argentina. And then we. We go to Argentina, we go to Tanzania, we go to Uganda, we go to India, we go to Laos, we go to get back all over the place. And. But it started. Doesn't everybody start their fly fishing, like, in Argentina? And our. You know, and so that's how it started. And I have found it really incredibly important to my mental health, although my wife thinks I put sport back into fly fishing. And. And I have a funny story with Obama once, and I, you know, but where he was disturbing it.

[Oliver Hudson]

And does he. He doesn't.

[Kate Hudson]

He doesn't get in the middle of your mental health. He's like, oh, he just keeps calling you.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I said. I said, we do. It was not. There was a particular thing. And I just said, you're in the middle of my fly fishing. And if you don't hang up now, I'm doing, I'm doing this on the 8th hole and I don't give a crap about golf.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's right. Let's get back to childhood. I'm curious, you know, you guys growing up, what kind of household was it? You know, what were your parents like? Was it. Did you have the freedom? Was, were they strict?

[Kate Hudson]

What did they do?

[Rahm Emanuel]

My dad was a pediatrician and my mother pre kids was what would be called a radiologist nurse today, but she's a nurse and then she was very active, quits nursing and is very active in core congress on racial equality from the late 50s, early 60s integrating Chicago housing and Chicago beaches. Now I give my mother credit. It was her idea. The kitchen slash dinner table was round so there was nobody at the head of the table and you had to come to the dinner prepared to defend or to argue. We talked about current events, we talk about politics, etc. We also grew up the first eight years. My father's mother lives with us, my mother's parents, my grandparents maternal spent two years living with us to separate times we had. So there was never kind of a nuclear family. We had a foster brother for three for two years. So it was never a nuclear family in the sense of the five of us. And we were encouraged to kind of go at it about current events and have a real discussion and stuff like that. And we were very, we were. There was a piece of it. You know, a lot of times mom was gone because she was arrested trying to do work she was doing on civil rights. So. And my father, you know, just comes to America from Israel. Doesn't everybody when they're building a practice but a quit the American Medical association over national health care in 1962 and tries to practice and then sue turns around and sues the city of Chicago for lead in household pain.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow. Wow.

[Rahm Emanuel]

When you're trying to practice medicine in Richard J. Daly Chicago not a good business model to sue the city.

[Oliver Hudson]

But that was just his conviction. He didn't give a shit that that he.

[Rahm Emanuel]

And that's how they raised and that's how kind of everybody still, regardless of profession, very focused on the news current events.

[Oliver Hudson]

Were you, were you guys resistant, you know, of, of that? Was it like, no, this is what we're going to do and I don't give a if you like it or hate it. We're going to sit down at the table and we're going to talk about this and we're going to debate in this space.

[Rahm Emanuel]

My parents were very strict about that. The family had dinner in the same way that, you know, that famous Mark twain quote. At 12, I knew my father was a fool.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

By 18, I was shocked what he learned in only six years. I said I would never do these things and ended up repeating doing. You know, even when I was mayor and chief of staffer and whatever, we had meals four nights a week.

[Oliver Hudson]

You did?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Oh, yeah. Friday.

[Oliver Hudson]

Were your kids resistant to it, or was it just part of the fabric of. Of the Emanuels?

[Rahm Emanuel]

You grow up with it every Friday.

[Kate Hudson]

I find that the dinner table is the most important place for kids. I try to do it. My thing is three. At least three days a week.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

The kids have to put the phones.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Down, get a basket.

[Kate Hudson]

We got a house. I bought this, like, little house. And they put the phones in the house.

[Rahm Emanuel]

No, I mean, I. You know, we do that. And I think that I don't. I. I don't buy quality time, and I don't buy quantity. I buy presents. Being present in your child's life.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

And it's more important. So, like, let's say one of them were having a test or whatever. I would do my reading, laying on their bed, and just be there, because then they could say something to you, and you could be involved, and it's not a pressure. We have a little cottage on the water in Michigan, and I used to. We used to go looking for beach glass, and you would. I would take them and one of them or whatever, and just. Or all of us would go. And I just think being present that way is really, really. I'm reading right now. I used to have this summer reading list. Everybody had to read three books. And then you had a leaded family discussion at the end of the summer on your favorite book. I know. I finished 1861 with my son Zachariah. Alana and I just read 1944, and Leia and I are reading now. She just asked me to read a book on October. The October 7th events.

[Kate Hudson]

Amazing.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[Kate Hudson]

Ollie, I want to know how you feel right now.

[Oliver Hudson]

I feel terrible about myself.

[Kate Hudson]

I was wondering how you feel about your parents.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm reading. I'm reading a lot. There's just not a lot of numbers in the books that I'm reading.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I want to be very careful because I love them. Two of them are in the armed forces, but between zero and 18, there were, like, four manslaughter opportunities that I almost took advantage of.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, this makes me feel a little bit better because I've got 18, 15, and 12. Two boys and my little girl. Now they're all amazing. My 18 year old is a teenager who's just like, you know, and I'm like, who were you, dude? I mean all he wanted to do was cuddle with me. He said, can you cuddle? Can you cuddle? I was going to get a tattoo to on me. He said it that much and then all of a sudden, boom, he's gone.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I'm serious about this. Yeah, I would say one is I used to say to Zach, I said, you know, I said one time at a family, I said, I swear to God, you're going to be 15, I'm going to be 54. One of us is going to make it. One is not. When I tell the judge why I'm getting off.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

But they come back. Now the other thing is this is just my observation underappreciated is when a my two daughters turned not you have to be always involved, but specifically around 12. A father's role in your daughter's life is more important than the mother's role.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, huge.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, huge.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Really Fully.

[Kate Hudson]

It's probably why I've been in therapy.

[Rahm Emanuel]

For my whole life.

[Kate Hudson]

It's going good, going good.

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[Kal Penn]

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[Ed Helms]

This week on the podcast I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the I Heart Podcast. I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?

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[Kate Hudson]

You got a little Colin Firth.

[Ed Helms]

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[Oliver Hudson]

Going back to the daughter father thing where you know, I have two boys. Then we had my little girl Rio and she is just an incredible being and I'm in love with her so much. She's my favorite child right now. I'm not afraid to admit that in any way whatsoever. She's just so self sufficient and her executive functioning is through the fucking roof. She's up in at 6 every morning. She's dressed, she makes her lunch, she makes her. I mean it's unbelievable. And she sleeps in her bonnet. She sleeps in her bonnet with her curls. She's just so sweet and you hear oh your daughter's gonna have you her wrapped around her finger. And I'm like yeah, whatever. That's it. It was. It became true. I mean not that I don't discipline her at all but she like has me and I'm just so obsessed with her and getting to the dancing thing. She is just beautiful and graceful and she's dancing six days a week and it's intensive and she's compet competing now and I'm so excited for her.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah. I mean I look, I think the father daughter thing is a. Is an immense. Is an underappreciated under research under discussed. It is the most important thing for how they become a confident self woman as they get older. And I, I look at my, you know, two daughters and I think I took each of them a little after their bat mitzvahs on Alani and I did a bike trip through Europe together and Israel and Leia and I did a trip in Israel and that those trips were just really, really important to us as a parent and a child.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Unique.

[Kate Hudson]

Rom. I love, I love hearing about your. You as a father.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

One other thing I would say when I was and somebody just reminded me of today who worked for me when I was mayor. Even in the worst moments, I would obviously leave the phone out of the office if they called. I told my assistant, you bring me the phone that you cannot tell them I'm too busy or I'm gonna be. Only I can do it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Rahm Emanuel]

They cannot be thought of as second tier.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. It's so smart.

[Rahm Emanuel]

That's about. And you know, and again Amy and I, when I ran for office. You can't find our kids in our. My commercials. I never put them there.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

They'll know they're getting used.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, right. They're. They're way. They're much smarter and more in tune than I think we get.

[Kate Hudson]

How old are your kids now? Now that they're. How old are they now?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Zach is 28 and he's a Navy intel officer. Went to UCLA. Lana is 26, Navy Reservists and she's at graduate school. University of Chicago Business law. Leia went to is 25, went to Princeton. Is one of the leaders on national security and climate change and advising Pentagon.

[Kate Hudson]

God, this is so high functioning.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know. Look at us.

[Kate Hudson]

We're a disaster.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wilder's greater like eating. Eating glue. He's amazing.

[Rahm Emanuel]

They're getting from 0 to 18, I'm telling you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

That's so funny. Yeah. Ryder's. Ryder's calling me from his like, you know acting class where he's like playing a snake. Have you read a book, honey? What? I don't know what you're talking about.

[Oliver Hudson]

Were you, were you guys strict parents though as far as education goes and you know.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yes, you are. Yes. Very strict. Yeah. But strict in the sense of supportive and everything. But. So we had this thing on our Sabbath dinners, which is whoever got, let's say, an A in science or whatever, you got what was called the star plate, just a blue plate. Everything else was white with stars around it. And you were allowed to invite any friend and their family to celebrate Shabbat with us. If you did something academically or otherwise extraordinary or whatever, you got an A or whatever. If you struggled on a paper but you got a smiley face. Yeah, but, but I was very. But Amy, she would agree with it. She was a little more understanding than. Yeah, Dr. Badass.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

We had a red letter plate. Remember? We had the, we had the plate growing up.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it's, it's. If we put five, if we did five steps in front of one another.

[Kate Hudson]

For us, it was more like if we, if we, we, like, if we like, won the CIF championships. Yeah, it's like I got a blue ribbon and jumping, you know.

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[Ed Helms]

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[Kal Penn]

And hi, I'm Kal Penn and we're the hosts of Irsay, the Audible and I Heart Audiobook Club.

[Ed Helms]

This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast. I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride. And this is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Rahm Emanuel]

Dinner a big meal at all?

[Oliver Hudson]

No, no, we were.

[Kate Hudson]

But, but that being said, you know, because my parents didn't have a 9 to 5.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Kate Hudson]

Our, our life was a little, it was, it was different. Like, like when my parents were home, they were home. So we were. When they weren't home, it wasn't like it was when they were making movies. They can't. The, the weird thing about filming is that you get picked up at five in the morning and you're not home until dinner's done. You know, so you kind of have these three month stretches where you're visiting your parents on set and then when they're off there's six months in their home.

[Rahm Emanuel]

You ask them when they're leaving, can you get out of here?

[Kate Hudson]

We were yeah. That is like can't you get a day job? Can't you like not be here that we can like, sneak our friends in the house. So. But we had like, we had moments. There was a moment there where my mom would do these big Sunday. We'd watch a movie, people would come over, we'd have meals. We were very social house, but it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Was never a sit down, really sit down meal while we're all talking. And you know, and I think that at least in my house, again, you inherited that from your parents and I inherited that from mine. We do not do sit down meals. It's all on the run, it's on the go. The kids are fucking everywhere. And I love to cook, so I do, I'll do, I will cook. But they come down and grab it and eat their grab. And I'm just like, all right, cool, whatever, you know, I mean, it's why.

[Kate Hudson]

All these kids stopped coming to my.

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Oliver Hudson]

It was the shoes off thing that really had, they come back like, they're like, dad, Auntie Kate made us take.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Our shoes off because Kate's, you know.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, we're not, we're never going back there.

[Rahm Emanuel]

That is a recent thing because of Kate in Japan. Okay.

[Kate Hudson]

You're right.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I know I'm right.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, you're right. I, I, I, I got with, I, I married a Japanese, I was sort of married to a Japanese man. And the shoes go off.

[Oliver Hudson]

How much did humor play a part in your, in your family? Were you guys able to, were you funny? Were you crazy? You know, because you're obviously a funny dude. Humor.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Humor, I thought you said, meaning Chuck Schumer. I said he was never at the house.

[Kate Hudson]

Where was Schumer?

[Oliver Hudson]

Where was Schumer? When you were a young boy.

[Rahm Emanuel]

No.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, no. With an age. Humor, you know, because you guys are funny dudes. You're, you're witty. I can.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Humor was very important. And you know, like I, you remember the zero, the zero, not zero mustel. Mel Brooks, 2000 year old man in 2000. We used to play, My dad used to play it every Sunday night for us. He thought it was funniest thing he ever heard. Yeah, the 2000 year old man. 2013 year old man.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Very important.

[Kate Hudson]

I have a friend who's making a documentary on Mel Brooks and I cannot wait.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I'm with you.

[Kate Hudson]

He is my, he's like one of my heroes.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Right?

[Kate Hudson]

I mean, when you think about the work that he's done and how he's made people laugh and oh like the.

[Oliver Hudson]

The best all time, you know, watching your parents do what they did, you know, obviously had a massive impact on what you guys wanted to be a part of. You know, how much was that sort of nature or how much was it nurture? If they were steel workers, would you be a steel worker? You know.

[Rahm Emanuel]

No. Well, prior to politics and prior to dance, I was, I mean after dance I was going to be an early childhood educator, early childhood psychologist. That's what I studied and I was interested. Now I used to be a hundred percent believing in nurture. Having had my three kids, I'm of the view, I'm of the view that nature is a dominant force. Certain traits become more dominant in their character and other traits that they have recede to the background. Yeah, that's kind of my cheap Piaget child psychology.

[Kate Hudson]

I, I, I agree, I agree. Yeah. Because as you get older you kind of start to realize patterning and you're like, wait, I'm, there's certain parts of your authentic self that feel like they're not present anymore, but they're in there and they kind of claw you a little bit and you're like, wait a minute, why I need to access that and why, why can't I? You know, when you think about your ancestry, your DNA and what, and what goes into that, like if you look like Oliver, just ours, like from you know, our grand great grandparents leaving Hungary and them being the only survivors from our friend then on our father's side, like the, the Sicilian Mafia. You think about like all of the things that go into that and then when you, you, you, you, you have to carry some of it. It's, it's in, it's just in your DNA. We carry, I believe we carry that, that, you know, that those strands that, that, the memory.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Right. I mean look, my mother was involved in obviously civil rights movement, which is a big motivator of my getting involved in politics. My dad being a pediatrician, you know, I very much care, I created full day kindergarten, full day pre K, wanted to be an early childhood educator. And those kind of are big important. But there's a certain thing about also just that was about being the middle child. I was always trying to make peace at home. And so, you know, I think, I don't know, I, I don't think it's 50, 50, but there's no doubt post having my own kids that I believe nature plays a bit more dominant role than.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. And Then you know, obviously life of public service and essentially your kids are doing the same. Correct.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Well, it's interesting. So this example I was, you have to do a year public service. You won the lottery ticket. Being an American, you have to get something back. Now I'm gotta be honest, I'm thinking teach for America. Amy's. You know, Zach comes back, he's in ucla, and he says, third junior year, I'm thinking of joining the Marines. And I'm like, well, I'm thinking like Coast Guard and Lake Superior. Okay. Now, I didn't realize fast forward that the Canadians were going to be our enemies.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Other are both Navy and Navy. Zach goes back and after about three months, he says, okay, I want to join the Navy. And so public service is my kind of 50 contribution. Navy is 80%. And he's on his completing his sixth year. And that's Alana's now completing. I think months is months. Six.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Navy reservists.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's amazing.

[Kate Hudson]

So my middle son came to me the other day and said, mom, what's. He goes, what should I. I feel like I want to go to military school. I want to West Point.

[Oliver Hudson]

I was like, what? He did?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. He's like, I want to be a Navy seal. I'm like, what?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Well, that's. We're not going to West Point. We're going to Annapolis for that.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I mean, I was like, what is happening?

[Oliver Hudson]

Bing. Bing wants to be a Navy Seal?

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[Rahm Emanuel]

How old? B.

[Kate Hudson]

He's 14. Okay. And he come his on his father's side. His father was the only generation that didn't serve. And that's English. And Bing just is like, I wanna. I wanna like, be in. I wanna be a Navy seal. Oh, God, I have a heart attack.

[Oliver Hudson]

This is a phase. It's gonna last three and a half minutes.

[Kate Hudson]

What? Cut two.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, I wouldn't worry about it.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Either Dr. Emanuel here. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Oliver Hudson]

But what, but, but what about just public service in general? I mean, it used to be such an admirable thing. Want to get into it, you know. But do you find that it's just. It's waning? People are like, I don't want to get into this storm.

[Rahm Emanuel]

You know, actually. So I would give you a No, I don't. What do I know? But I still, I still grew up with the Kennedy public service as a noble profession. I think our generation my sucks. I think I look at our. My kids generation and they are so much aware of the world and what's around them and now they think we are all of us screwed it up. I said, well, the world doesn't start just because you came around so contrary to what your mother says that the world starts and revolves around you. It's just true. But I think. But they're much more civically and their friends are much more civically engaged than my. I remember my high school and college friends. Much more.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's good to know.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah. They have everything salvation but they think that we are all guilty for having screwed everything up.

[Oliver Hudson]

Of course. But. But then the next step is do they want to step into the arena and try to make a difference, you know or just Monday morning quarterback, you know, which is fine too.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah. I don't know. I think at least the friends they have and or the friends they selected. That's another thing. Sidetrack. Yeah. You know you've done well on a parent not based on report card who your kids pick as friends.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Rahm Emanuel]

And if their friends are good.

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[Rahm Emanuel]

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[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Because they use a moral judgment. It is not the A, the B.

[Oliver Hudson]

The C or the D. I, I agree.

[Rahm Emanuel]

It's the most under discussed and their friends are. Were fabulous growing up.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Fabulous now. And that's to me the most telling sign of the moral character of your child.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes, I, I agree. I couldn't agree more. You know, I'm not a grades guy. I'm an effort guy. You know, I. If you work your ass off on a math test and I see that you're trying and it just doesn't work out. I'm cool, I'm good. You know, I mean Bodhi, my middle son is he. School is easy. I don't know where he comes from. Math. Bang bang bang. Gets it all done. A's, A's. And I. He's the only one I don't know where this nurture.

[Rahm Emanuel]

It's not nurture, brother.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's definitely not nurture.

[Rahm Emanuel]

That is not nurture.

[Oliver Hudson]

100% example A in the nurture nature.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I'm trying to nurture the other way. I'm like let's take two days off, let's go skiing. Dad, no, I am, I am big.

[Rahm Emanuel]

About grace but I am saying on the moral character.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Rahm Emanuel]

You will not see it in a report card. You will only see it in the friends of selection.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

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[Kal Penn]

Here and hi, I'm Kal Penn and we're the hosts of Irsay the Audible and I Heart Audiobook Club.

[Ed Helms]

This week on the podcast I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast. I choose Me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride. And this is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Kate Hudson]

Can we get into your dance? I really want. I really want to know how this happened for you, because I grew up dancing and I. I just love dance.

[Rahm Emanuel]

So my mother is the old Eastern European. Her grandfather. My grandfather, her father, Moldova, Eastern Europe. He's now. You went 6, 3, 200 some odd pounds. A boxer, steelworker, meat cutter. My mom is 5 11. She's growing up in the Balanchine era. 511 Russian, Eastern European stock just doesn't cut the aesthetic. That's a. Always resented that she couldn't be a dancer. That's B. C. My freshman year of high school, in the off season of soccer, I say to my mother, I want to improve my soccer game. I want to get my balance. I want to get ready for sophomore year. That's my. She goes, and this is Rosie Greer in the Minnesota Vikings and taking up ballet.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I remember that.

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[Rahm Emanuel]

She goes, you should take up ballet and start to dance. So I walk in and there's 29 women. Hey, you're pink.

[Oliver Hudson]

And I go, yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Sitting on a bench with 12 guys, 29 women. I can figure this out. And I start dancing. And I. And that was the reason. But on the other hand, I start to get really. I'm good at it, actually. It was really for soccer. And I discover a skill I didn't know I had, and I basically dropped soccer and pick up ballet and then ended up having a scholarship to the school at Joffrey, which I didn't take. I would decide to go to Sarah Lawrence instead.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[Kate Hudson]

Did you keep dancing at Sarah Lawrence?

[Rahm Emanuel]

I. I danced at Sir Lawrence. I danced afterwards all the way to 1995. Amazing. I danced at the Hubbard street here in Chicago and Joel Hall. Growing up, I danced at Gus Giordano and Evanston School of Ballet.

[Kate Hudson]

I love it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[Kate Hudson]

Now. Now do you. What do you do now to like. Do you do Pilates? Do you keep your. Is that something you're. Do you still keep your dancer strength?

[Rahm Emanuel]

I'm strong about you. I did. I had. I swim three times. A week? A mile. I do weight lift two times a week for an hour. I do yoga twice a week for an hour each. And I do bike and elliptical. I'm big about yoga.

[Oliver Hudson]

Do you have a peloton?

[Rahm Emanuel]

No.

[Oliver Hudson]

You actually road bike?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah. When I was ambassador, I did four trips in Japan. I've done a bike around Lake Michigan here. Bike on the Oregon coast. The whole coast from Washington to California.

[Oliver Hudson]

Dude, how is that? That's beautiful. I mean, and weather wise, it's probably gnarly, huh?

[Kate Hudson]

So great.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Okay. We. It was one rain and stuff like that. And then I did A Pittsburgh to D.C. on the old. On the converted, you know. Now Amy and I did Tuscany. Alana and I did Amsterdam to Belgium. I love biking.

[Kate Hudson]

We used to do the bike trips.

[Oliver Hudson]

We used to do Butterfield and Robinson.

[Rahm Emanuel]

But yoga is my kind of replacement dance.

[Kate Hudson]

Have you gone to India yet and done, like, a real yoga?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Does this look like that?

[Kate Hudson]

I feel like you should do it. I feel like you're biking all over the world. Maybe you should do a little India yoga trip.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wait, back to the. Did you only dance ballet or was there other forms?

[Rahm Emanuel]

So Gust. Giordano was a jet. No, I. Ballet was mandatory.

[Oliver Hudson]

Got it.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Mama manual as a foundation. And I would first with Joe hall or August. Different stages of my life with jazz or modern. But ballet was always. And you weren't allowed to drop it.

[Oliver Hudson]

And from an art, from an artist standpoint, was. Was. Was there true expression there for you, like through your. Through dance, or was it more physical?

[Rahm Emanuel]

More. Much more physical. And I don't know about your daughter, but my right side is more dominant. So as long as I could do a performance. Going to the right. No, it was. It was a physical thing. And actually ends up bizarrely later. Saves my life.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did it?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Yeah. When I was 17, I had a major accident.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, right.

[Rahm Emanuel]

And I nearly died. And the doctor said if you weren't in your physical condition, you would have been gone. And that was really, really made me obsessive about exercise.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm just getting into my obsession of exercise. I'm. I'm. I'm 49, and I want to be in the best shape of my life when I'm 50. And I've been like, it's been three weeks, and I'm. I'm hammering it right now.

[Kate Hudson]

I think part of the nature nurture. Like, my mom did the same. She's like, you're in ballet. If you're gonna do. You can do hip hop, you can do, you know, jazz, contemporary. But you have to stay in ballet. And I hate. I was so mad all the time.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Right.

[Kate Hudson]

And it was the best thing she ever did. I have such discipline.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I'm on the job for you ballet board now.

[Kate Hudson]

Amazing.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I. I love dance. I love going to dance and seeing performance all the time.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my gosh. I'm like, I weep. And my daughter, of course, there's so many different reasons, but when she's dancing, it's just like I lose it every time.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Well, you should go. You know what? This is a serious thing.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

San Francisco Ballet is one of the premier ballet companies in the United States of America. In the world. They have great artistic director and you should take.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Rahm Emanuel]

She will love you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, that is a great idea.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I'll buy the tickets.

[Oliver Hudson]

That is a great. For the dance idea. Okay. For the dance.

[Kate Hudson]

I wonder, Ron, like, where do you see yourself in five years? Like, you've done so much. You know, what, what, what are you looking forward to?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Part of me consistent with the show is I want us. I can't wait to see how. I mean, my kids have become the young adults and you've nurtured them and they're writing their own chapters in history. I want to see where they are rather than where I'm at. Two, I'm making a decision in the next two years about, you know, my. Whether I run or not for presidency.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, man.

[Rahm Emanuel]

That would be the last office I would kind of seek. And I can't tell you if that's successful or not. So that determines where it will be on five years from now. And if not, Ollie and I will be working on our fly fishing guest.

[Oliver Hudson]

Of course. No, we'll do a show about that.

[Kate Hudson]

What does that entail in those two years?

[Rahm Emanuel]

One is if you kind of operationally the team you want to put together. Most importantly, I have something I want to say which is a story, I think. Look, we're all three here. We've been talking about family, which is a relevant subject. But we're all fortunate. We can also do things. Let's be honest, all of our kids are going to start on the 50 yard line. For a lot of Americans and their kids, given the struggles to change the 50 mile an hour headwind, they're going to be on their own tent. And I just think the, you know, as I often say people have, there's a sense you feel like it's, you're screwed here and that and the. It's heads somebody else wins and tails you lose. Well, you're not wrong because the system is actually rigged against your success and against your kids success. And I think, I don't think it's an accident. When the American dream becomes unaffordable is exactly when our democracy becomes unstable. People stop believing that this is working. And I wanted, I want, I think, I believe what I said earlier, which is, if you're an American, you won the lottery ticket and a lot of people feel like they lost, not one. And I want to. Or that not only the confidence, but the accessibility. And so if you have that and you are where you are in life and you think you have something that others don't have, I'll make a decision to do it. And then you put the team together to do it.

[Oliver Hudson]

How much does your family play into this decision?

[Rahm Emanuel]

Well, it plays a lot, A tremendous amount. Because you don't, one, you don't want to do anything to adversely affect your own kids. And then B, they've always supported me in the things like this. It takes your family. You know, I jokingly say I put Amy's lawyer on Spam, so I can never. He can never file the papers. And I. But, you know, Amy's been, you know, both through Congress, chief of staff, mayor and stuff. She's been incredibly supportive of stuff. It wasn't her first choice. That was not, you know, nobody goes, I want to marry the guy that wants to be mayor of the city of Chicago on a regular basis. And you don't have protesters outside the house because.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, like this. This is great.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Oh, you know, I'll tell you a funny. Not a funny story, but a true. So we live up just north of Berkeley Field. And I made a big decision. Chicago had the shortest school day and short school year in the United States. I was going to give the kids a full school day, go from five hours to seven hours, 15 minutes. And there's a bunch of pro. We go, we get a strike for the first time. There's a bunch of protesters outside. There's 400 people every morning screaming. So third day of the strike, and Amy. And you can hear the screaming outside. You suck. You know, And Amy goes, I'm about to walk out. Open the door. And she goes, you know, I've seen you through an impeachment. I've seen you through health care. I've seen you through, you know, the fight for the assault weapon. I've never seen you calmer. And I go, I've never felt more right about what I'm doing. Open the door. You're a jerk. To her credit, she knows this is important to me. It's not the first thing. And she knows what I do is something that's not a profession, but something that's a calling. And so she'll support it. And I'm very fortunate. Very fortunate.

[Oliver Hudson]

Amazing. Well, in between then, if you go on a fly fishing trip, you must let me know.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Done.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I feel like. And I. I feel like I'm feeling Iceland. Guys, I think that we, you know.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Okay. There's a guy, former mayor of Louisville by the name of Greg Fisher.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Rahm Emanuel]

He goes fly fishing with a group of guys every year to Iceland. One. Kate. I'm gonna. Oli and I, we're gonna crash trip.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's great. I'm in.

[Rahm Emanuel]

But there's no floating. Kate.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, you gotta.

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[Kate Hudson]

Listen, guys, when I get cold, I'll just sit in the lodge.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I don't know if you know this. The lodge is far away.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, okay, fine. I'm good. I'm good. I'm an outdoors girl.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I'm sending you the New Zealand picture.

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[Rahm Emanuel]

The video. Yeah. Of it. You are going to love it.

[Oliver Hudson]

I want to go to New Zealand so bad. Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Amazing.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I can't believe I started with Oliver and I ended with Ollie.

[Oliver Hudson]

I feel so. This is great. Perfect.

[Kate Hudson]

This has been so.

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[Oliver Hudson]

Thank you for taking the time, brother. Yeah. This is fun.

[Rahm Emanuel]

I. I want to say thank you to both of you. Oh, yeah. We don't talk as a country enough about the fact that. How important family is. And while it's fun, we were joking. The fact that you guys decided not about your professions or whatever, but about your person. I. I can't thank you both enough for letting people in on not only your lives, but having people talk about theirs, because we don't do that. And it's a. It's a chronic problem for us as a country. We have so many other things that stem from that. So thank you.

[Oliver Hudson]

I appreciate that. And you're so right. Because put everything aside, there's such relatab within family discussions. Whatever side you're on, it doesn't matter. Those family realities are all interconnected. And if you can just talk about it, you find common ground in an area that is not so divisive. That is just. That is. That is. That is primal and real. You know, that's where a lot of common ground can be found.

[Kate Hudson]

We have a really interesting family too, because we have a lot of different beliefs in our family. Like, we all. We're. We're all very different.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

And yet we can talk about it, we can discuss it, we can argue about it, we can get a little loud about it, but at the end of the day, like, we still only want to be with each other.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Usually we, our families don't want to be with each other.

[Kate Hudson]

Thanks, Rom.

[Rahm Emanuel]

See, buddy.

[Oliver Hudson]

Bye.

[Rahm Emanuel]

Bye.

[Oliver Hudson]

Bye. Bye, guys.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow.

[Oliver Hudson]

Cool.

[Kate Hudson]

He's great.

[Oliver Hudson]

That was great.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, that was great.

[Oliver Hudson]

Now I have to vote for him. I have no choice.

[Kate Hudson]

I want to talk to everybody. I mean, I think what he's saying is so right. It's like, you know, it's so interesting. It's such an interesting, interesting time. And I think anybody who lives, like, and says, I want to be of service, you know, I, I, There's a, it's a calling. And I feel like I want to, you know what, no matter what side you're on or what your beliefs are, like, I think everybody really, you know, that's where, that's the, where it comes from. So it just comes interesting when you get to know people from the point of view of their family, you know, and like, what drives someone to be in a, to, to, to, to be in public serve, you know, public service? It's like, you know, and I, I have to say, I, I feel the same way about art, you know, and it's interesting that he's a dancer and that he has like, a real, that artist expression, even though he says it's physical for him. But, like, I, I think art is a gift too. It's a calling too. Meaning, like, when you want to entertain, that calling is not necessarily just for yourself, even though I think creating art is for yourself. It's to, it's to, it's to impact a community or an experience, you know, and, and so it's, it's as important on one edge as it is to have the calling to actually be in service of community and like, structure, you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Know, of course, I think, I think it is, it is a service. It's just a different way to look at it, you know, I mean, for sure, you're doing a public service when you put something out there artistically that touches people and makes people think differently and feel differently and could potentially change their lives, which sounds extreme, but art does that, music does that. I mean, it can take someone's, have probably taken people off the edge, you.

[Ed Helms]

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[Kate Hudson]

Like, oh, and not only that, it can shift your whole. You could, you could see a movie and look at your life and go, well, wait a minute, wait a minute. I don't want to do this anymore. I want to do that. I want to. I want to be. I'm not living my.

[Rahm Emanuel]

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[Kate Hudson]

I want to be like. Right. So it can do that.

[Rahm Emanuel]

But.

[Oliver Hudson]

But.

[Kate Hudson]

But then you and that. I think from the artist side is a calling to be a part of that sort of emotional experience. Whereas in politics, that calling is to actually feel like there's something that they know that they can put out that can really impact their community or, you know, globally. It's just. It's fascinating to me.

[Oliver Hudson]

I wonder. I wonder how many lives.

[Kate Hudson]

Scary thing.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Become a part of, you know, I.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wonder how many lives. My turn as Eddie Doling on Dawson's Creek have saved.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God, Oliver. I. I think. I think. I think Nashville definitely.

[Oliver Hudson]

It definitely impacted a lot of people. Yeah. I get letters. I get letters.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. But I just loved that. That was so much fun.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, so fun.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, it's funny, I. We're not, like, very political, you and I. Like, we don't. You know, and. And so when we interview politicians or people who. Who are in politics, it's fascinating to me. I really want to do more of it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it's. It's an education. Yeah. Green Party would be great.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like Ralph Nader. Is he still alive?

[Kate Hudson]

Ralph Nader. What were. I'll never forget Ralph Nader. Isn't that funny? He was such a huge part of our childhood.

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[Kate Hudson]

That whole election was like. I feel like that was for us, like the first election we understood.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's true. Yeah. Of course.

[Kate Hudson]

I love all these characters. Years that was like us as kids learning about politics was these sort of.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Yeah. The Nader and Perot ticket.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, I love you.

[Oliver Hudson]

I love you.

[Kate Hudson]

That was a fun one.

[Oliver Hudson]

That was great.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

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