What's Your Dog Trying to Tell You?

Summary

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Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

Episode: What's Your Dog Trying to Tell You?
Guest: Cesar Millan ("The Dog Whisperer")
Release Date: January 5, 2026
Podcast: Sibling Revelry (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Kate and Oliver Hudson dive headfirst into the world of dogs, behavior, and what it means to truly “communicate” with our canine companions. Joined by legendary dog expert Cesar Millan, they swap personal pet stories, explore dog psychology, discuss leadership, training philosophies, and the profound ways dogs reflect—and sometimes challenge—their human families. The conversation blends humor, practical advice, and deep philosophy, making for a lively and insight-packed episode for every dog lover.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Growing Up Dog-Lovers: Host & Guest Intros

• Sibling Dog Families
  • Kate and Oliver reminisce about growing up in a house full of dogs, referencing their mother’s dog-filled movie (“Seems Like Old Times”) and comparing it to Cesar’s own upbringing.
  • Both hosts currently have multiple dogs: Oliver with four and Kate with two (“one insane one”—Donut, and Bronco).

Cesar’s Journey: From Sinaloa to “Dog Whisperer”

• Childhood and Roots ([06:28])
  • Cesar recounts growing up on a farm in Sinaloa, Mexico, "the narco center of the world," where most kids don't survive or turn to crime.

    "Most kids die very soon, they go into the wrong direction. ...My parents did such a great job with rules, boundaries, limitations." – Cesar Millan (06:51)

  • His early ambition: “Mom, do you think I can be the best dog trainer in the world?” inspired by Lassie and Rin Tin Tin.
  • Moving to America, he observed differences: U.S. dogs often lack natural freedom and develop behaviors like aggression or fear, while Mexican dogs generally follow humans and are off-leash.

Instincts, Packs, and Dog Psychology

• Pack Theory & Leadership ([09:33])

  • Cesar explains rehabilitation not just as a “trainer” but as pack leader, using packs to teach socialization.

    "The more you walk a dog, the more the dog goes back into his natural, simple, profound." – Cesar Millan (09:33)

  • Emphasizes confusion in dogs arises when not walked or treated as a dog (U.S. approach: “ears, eyes, nose” instead of “nose, eyes, ears”).

• Dog-Human Energy Dynamics ([14:06])

  • Dogs organize by position (front, middle, back of pack); breed comes after spirit and instinct.
  • Humans should lead with calm confidence and silence. Emotional excitement often creates undesirable behaviors (e.g., excited peeing when people come home).

    "So you...represent three very important energies: silence, calmness, confidence." – Cesar Millan (15:22)

• Changing Human Habits First ([16:03])

  • Cesar stresses that changing dog behavior begins with shifting human energy, philosophy, and actions.

Breed Behaviors & Misconceptions

• Breed is Not Destiny ([14:06]; [31:48])

  • Discusses how certain breeds are unfairly maligned by society (e.g., Dobermans, Rottweilers, pitbulls), but stresses that position and energy matter more than breed alone.

    "Every 10 years, society attacks a powerful breed. You see it? But it's not the breed." – Cesar Millan (31:54)

  • The most intelligent dogs are often street dogs, as they've “learned to survive on their own” ([28:30]).

• Personality Within Breeds

  • Not all dogs of the same breed will have the same abilities or temperaments (e.g., not every German Shepherd can be a police dog—only “front of the pack” types).

Training Tools & Techniques

• Crates ([53:56]) and Sleeping Arrangements

  • Crates are helpful for dogs that can’t be unsupervised, but never place a dog in a crate without exercise first. Never “trap” with food.

    "In order for a dog to see a positive experience with a crate...the mind needs to be in a resting state." – Cesar Millan (54:36)

  • Letting dogs sleep with owners is ok if the dog doesn’t dominate space (“never allow a dog to choose where to sleep if it creates dominance issues”).

• Collars, Leashes, and Modern Tools ([43:00], [49:53])

  • Tools (like leashes, collars) should support—not replace—good leadership.
  • Ultimate tool is the human’s energy. Technologies like Cesar’s own collar exist to remind a dog of “rules, boundaries, limitations” via sound, vibration, or physical correction (for extreme situations only).

    “If you never want to use tools, do everything right in puppyhood." (43:28)
    “You are the first tool.” (46:21)

• Controversial Tools (Shock Collars, Spike Collars) ([46:59] - [52:16])

  • Different trainers use various tools; Cesar highlights that improper energy or human confusion can do more harm than any collar.
  • Successful, humane training starts well before these tools are necessary.

Rehabilitating Difficult Dogs

• Hard Habits ([24:12])

  • The toughest cases combine fear, aggression, and anxiety—but even these are about “fight, flight, avoidance,” not malice.
  • Never failed to rehabilitate a dog, except those with genuine neurological problems.
  • Example: rehabilitating “Brunello”—a blind, deaf, aggressive dog—using silence, calm, and by slowing him down.

    "Silence is a vibration. ...You got to influence the spirit, ...the body, and then the mind." (25:30)

• Alpha and Leadership ([26:52])

  • True “alpha” behavior is calm, confident, responsible, honest leadership—not force or dominance.

    “It’s not Fidel Castro. ...In the animal world, they don’t follow unstable leaders.” (26:52)

Dog Adoption, Breeding, and Responsibility

• Breeding Ethics & Overpopulation ([34:47] - [37:10])

  • Good breeders maintain strong, healthy lines; “puppy mills” often spread anxiety and poor genetics.
  • Encourages adoption from shelters, especially given American dog overpopulation.

    “Instead of coming from logic, do it more spiritual. ...You’re going to keep someone alive.” (37:10)

• COVID & Dog Ownership Commitment ([56:39])

  • The pandemic emptied shelters, but post-pandemic many dogs were returned, revealing people’s lack of understanding about commitment and responsibility.

    “Once you adopt a dog, you don’t quit.” (57:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Human Energy & Dogs

  “Most of my clients don’t understand the power of silence, calmness, confidence... They’re not calm, at the moment you become excited, your body is not calm.” – Cesar Millan (15:23)

• On the Spirit-Animal Connection

  “You are spirit, you are instinct, you are species, animal, race, name... You trust the spirit, respect the instinct, love with the heart, create with the mind.” – Cesar Millan (18:55)

• On Training Tools

  “Before you use any tool—your energy, your philosophy, your actions, number one. ...You are the first tool.” – Cesar Millan (46:21)

• On Responsibility & Love

  “Once you adopt a dog, you don’t quit.” – Cesar Millan (57:16)

• Dog Wisdom for Life

  “Silence is really powerful because that’s what gives you patience. ...Calm is your breath. They’re going to trust your breath. Animals are connected to the breath. ...Silence, calmness, knowledge, love, joy.” – Cesar Millan (59:03 to 59:24)

• On Fame and Bites

  “The worst one was my divorce. I was bitten by Hollywood, baby. I got money, fame, and power...that’s the strongest bite.” – Cesar Millan (60:27)

• Dog Owner Confessions (Kate & Oliver):

  • Kate worries she’s neglected Donut, her bulldog, admitting:

    “I gotta go take donut for a walk. ...I’ve completely neglected Donut.” (57:24)

  • Oliver jokes about dogs dominating the relationship bed.

• Poignant Reflection

  "This is bigger than dogs...God, dog, human. The dog is here to remind the human about God and earth. ...God is the silence, is the patience, and dog is the calmness, is the connection." – Cesar Millan (59:51)

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Noteworthy Segment Timestamps

• [06:28] – Cesar’s journey: growing up in Sinaloa, early dog dreams, and transplant to America
• [09:33] – Pack theory, rehab by walking, and the U.S./Mexico dog dynamic
• [14:06] – Explaining “pack positions” and why breed is third most important
• [15:23] – The importance of human calm energy and silence; cascading effects in the home
• [24:12] – The hardest behaviors to rehabilitate and discussion of aggression/fear
• [26:52] – True alpha leadership defined (not dominance-based)
• [34:47] – Breed genetics, ethical breeding, and rescue vs. purebred debate
• [43:00] – Modern training tools, puppyhood, and doing it right from the start
• [46:21] – “You are the first tool” philosophy; using/leaving tools responsibly
• [49:53] – Cesar’s collar invention and the 3 types of reminders (sound/vibration/corrective)
• [53:56] – Crate training and sleeping arrangements: do’s and don’ts
• [56:39] – The COVID dog adoption/return cycle and responsibility
• [59:03–59:24] – Closing dog wisdom: silence, calm, love, and joy

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Tone & Style

True to Sibling Revelry’s relaxed, humorous vibe, conversations flow candidly, blending banter and deep dives. Cesar is calm and philosophical, with frequent analogies to nature, spirit, and human life. Kate and Oliver oscillate between curiosity, self-deprecating jokes, and real confession about dog parenting struggles.

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Final Thoughts

Listeners walk away with actionable advice (walk your dogs, lead calmly, train during calm), deep philosophical insight (dogs as mirrors for our energy, routines and spirit), and a renewed sense of responsibility. Cesar’s holistic approach extends beyond commands and breeds—inviting us to see dogs as partners on a spiritual and emotional journey, and asking humans to look inward before expecting change from their pets.

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“If everybody around the world practice that formula, ritual, symbol, ...all the dogs around the world are gonna be perfectly fine.”
— Cesar Millan (59:25)

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[Podcast Host]

The show was ahead of its time to represent a black family in ways.

[Cesar Millan]

That television hadn't shown before. Exactly. It's Thelma Hopkins, also known as Aunt Rachel.

[Kellie Williams]

And I'm Kellie Williams or Laura Winslow.

[Podcast Host]

On our podcast welcome with Thelma and.

[Cesar Millan]

Kelly, we're rewatching every episode of Family Matters.

[Podcast Host]

We'll share behind the scenes stories about making the show.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah. We'll even bring in some special guests to spill some tea. Listen to welcome to the Family with Telma and Kelly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kate Hudson]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Podcast Host]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Kate Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be sib.

[Cesar Millan]

We are a sibling rivalry.

[Podcast Host]

No, no, sibling R for free. Don't do that with your mouth.

[Cesar Millan]

Sibling revelry.

[Podcast Host]

That's good, Ollie. I am very excited. Did you watch his show? Did you watch show?

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah. It's always on, too. Yeah, I'm always seeing clips of it and it's on my Instagram sometimes. And you know, I just see some rabid dog, like, charging him. He's like, oh. And then the dog, like, goes down whimpering like he's.

[Podcast Host]

It's so fascinating.

[Kate Hudson]

It's amazing.

[Podcast Host]

He's like a real dog whisperer. And we're such a dog family.

[Kate Hudson]

No, I know.

[Podcast Host]

We grew up with tons of dogs. I have four. You have two.

[Kate Hudson]

I have two. You know, two insane ones. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one insane one.

[Kellie Williams]

Bronco.

[Podcast Host]

One is a Broncos. The best. I'm. I'm obsessed with Bronco.

[Kate Hudson]

He's the greatest. But yes, I. I need. I need Caesar to come deal with Donut.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, God, Donut. It's too late.

[Kate Hudson]

He's too late.

[Kellie Williams]

I know.

[Podcast Host]

He's old. He's of his way. He's so funny, though. He just sits and he stares outside when he's outside.

[Kate Hudson]

No, no. Yeah. He has real feelings.

[Podcast Host]

His feelings are so intense.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And then he's so dumb. It's like. You're like, just go in the other door. He knows the other door is open.

[Kate Hudson]

He can do it.

[Podcast Host]

I know you'll stay by the glass.

[Kate Hudson]

Door barking at me. I'm like, dude, just walk around right here.

[Podcast Host]

So you went out that way. You go back in that way. Anyway, I'm excited.

[Kellie Williams]

Let's get.

[Podcast Host]

Let's get him on, because he's been waiting. Hi. Welcome to our podcast.

[Cesar Millan]

Thank you.

[Kate Hudson]

How are you?

[Cesar Millan]

Really good. Really good.

[Podcast Host]

We're excited to meet you. A big dog family. I don't know if you ever saw my mom in this movie called Seems like Old Times where she has 5,000 dogs in the house. If you haven't, just, like, Google it so you can see, because that is what we grew up with.

[Cesar Millan]

Yes. Okay. My kids grew up that way. You know, when I started my. My profession, I had two kids, 65 dogs. So I was learning English, I was learning how to, you know, how to stay in America. So becoming an American citizen. So it was a lot of things, you know, that my kids grew up in it. And. And. And so I, you know, we can relate. In my family, we can relate to that.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, let's get into that. What is. What was your journey?

[Cesar Millan]

Well, my journey started in Culiacan, Sinaloa, you know, the narco center of the world.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

I was there when I was, you know, a kid and then a teenager. So imagine that. Right. So the dog whisper is growing up in Sinaloa, where it's more likely to become a drug cartel leader than actually coming to America and become the dog whisperer.

[Kellie Williams]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

So that's the beauty of. Of my journey. Right, That I come from a place where most kids die. Very soon, they go into the, you know, the wrong direction. And so for me, because my parents did such a great job with the rules, boundaries, limitations, I was able to stay in the. On the path that I am, you know, I am now. I have a good spirit, I have a good instinct, I have a good heart, and I have a good mind.

[Podcast Host]

And then how did you connect? Like, where did the dogs come into the picture? When did you realize you had the dog whisperer energy?

[Cesar Millan]

Well, the dogs were always in the picture because I'm from a farm. So in a farm and in Mexico, dogs are everywhere. So it's different from America. In America, the dogs are not in the street, and Mexico, dogs are in the farm, dogs are in the street. So. So dogs were everywhere, and we were a family of dogs. We always have dogs. And my mom into today, she has dogs, my kids have dogs, everybody around me has dogs, right? It's just, it's just what it is. When I was 13, I told my mom, mom, you think I can be the best dog trainer in the world? After watching Lassie and Ring Tintin, you see it. So I thought that every dog in America was just like Lassie and Ring Tintin. So as a, you know, a kid in Mexico, I wanted to become a. But you know, I come from low income, so that would be impossible. So the most possible thing was to go to America, learn from the Americans and then come back to Mexico and open my own dog training facility. But then when I came to America, I saw the need of people just practicing natural, simple, profound way of being with a dog, right? Because that's when I saw, you know, a lot of dogs being aggressive, a lot of dogs fearful, a lot of dogs ignoring their humans. Fight, flight, avoidance. So in America the dog the develop fight aggression, flight, fear, avoidance, don't listen to the human. And in Mexico they develop the opposite. They listen to the human.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Cesar Millan]

Off leash, you see, because nobody's thinking about, you know, let's remove the freedom of the dog. In America, the dog goes into a home and now he has to live in this home without their natural freedom, right? And so that's when I saw this dog whisper thingy, you know, possibility.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, how did you, how did you develop your skills? Was it all learned, you know, or was it all trial by trial and error? Or did you read books or did you go to a school? Or was it just like I'm just going off of pure instinct?

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah, pure instinct. You don't definitely instinct because I'm working with a pack of dogs. So I'm the first human being that talks about the pack, you know, and how to rehabilitate dogs by using the pack. See, and this is dogs are not mine, right? This is dogs that belong to other people, right? And so I'm putting dogs who are now mine, put them back into the pack and then bring in another dog that has a problem, behavioral problem, right? And then I rehabilitate him that way. But most of the rehabilitation, so everybody knows is because I walk a lot. The more you walk a dog, the more the dog goes back into his natural, simple, profound, okay? The less you walk the dog, the more confused he become, the more unhappy he becomes. And then the chaos come out. But chaos is not. The first thing comes out is the confusion, right? The confusion because the dog is not doing Natural things. And the dog is not being treated as a dog. No size ears. In America, a dog is treated ears, eyes, nose. Because people believe the dog is human, right? So they, oh, my God, I love my dog.

[Podcast Host]

I know.

[Cesar Millan]

You know, so when people meet dogs in America, people meet dogs, ears, eyes, Right.

[Podcast Host]

Interesting.

[Cesar Millan]

And I grew up listening to my mom. No touch, no talk, no eye contact with that. What does that mean? Nose, eyes, ears. So that means if you practice a certain ritual, you're going to get the right formula. If you do the wrong ritual, you get. You're going after the wrong formula. Formula, ritual, symbols. So the dog is a symbol of rituals and formula. You see it? So that's when I start putting the thing, the two and two together and start helping, you know, everybody in America. And eventually National Geographic and I read the article and then in the LA Times after, you know, the interview, they asked me, so what would you like to do five years from now? Now remind you I come from a place that you can't plan five years from now, right? Because life is all we have. Life and death, right. And so when, when, when she told me, hey, what would you like to do five years from now? It was just the most amazing question I ever had, right? Because imagine to plan five years from now. That means life is guaranteed five years from now. So I say, I would like to have a TV show or a radio show because I really want to help people, right? Because I saw that I can help people. I remember I was coming to be helped, but then I realized that I can help people, right? And that's when she wrote it down. The newspaper came on a Sunday. By Monday was a line of producers outside, you know, South Central, because I started my first dog psychology center in South Central and this parking lot. And that's it. That's where the show was born.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

I find it so interesting because I have like, I feel like all dogs have completely. They do. I mean, they all have completely different personalities and, but, and, and, and their natures are a little, are different. Is this, I mean, obviously based. Must be based on breeding. You would know better than I would. But I know for me, I have four dogs and they're all just so different. But I have a Australian shepherd who has such a. Distinct characteristics, like, such distinct characteristics like you can see his desire and need and he needs to be hurting. He needs to be running and moving. He herds the kids. He's got, he's got, he's, you know, but he's my most like, problematic because he goes after other dogs. How would you take a dog that has an issue like that? And how do you initially start working with them?

[Cesar Millan]

You know, one thing that people forget is dogs are pack oriented. And within the pack, there is positions in the pack. So before you think personality, think what position that dog was born to be. Back, middle, front, Right. So it really doesn't matter what breed the dog is, because breed for me is number three. You see it? So before the breed is the dog. So they're all dogs, different breed. So the breed is more like a degree they're born with. Okay. But before the breed is the dog. And then. And before the dog and them is the animal in them. And before the animal in them is the spirit in them. Spirit, animal, species, breed, name.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah. And that goes with you too? That goes with us. We are spirit, we are instinct, we are species, animal, race, name. Right, yes. So we have this. This five things inside of us. So when a dog is doing like what you're saying, my dog goes after dogs. So why would a dog go after another dog? Competition, dominance, predatorial. Okay, so, and so why would a dog do that in front of human? So it's important that the human understand the power of leadership, just like the human understand the power of love, you said. So what I learned is most of my clients don't understand the power of silence, calmness, confidence, especially through the walk or through the meeting. So when you meet a dog, every single time, you have to give them your silence, your calmness, your confidence to let them know that you are going to lead the package. Mm. You see it. So you. You're gonna represent three very important energies. Silence, calmness, confident, love, joy. Those are reward energies. Right. You see it? This is the direction, protection, energy, patient, calmness, confidence.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Cesar Millan]

You see it. And most people don't have the silence because most dog people do. Right. That's. And then they're not calm at the moment you become excited. Your. Your body is not calm. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

And then, of course, that ritual is not for dogs, it's for humans.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. It makes me kind of crazy sometimes because I have one dog, another. My little one pees every time he gets excited. He, like, tinkles.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

People just walk in the house and go, hi. And I'm like, no.

[Cesar Millan]

That'S the most difficult thing to change is the way people think is the right way to be with dogs. Right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Right? Yeah. That's the shifting of the philosophy of people without them being convinced that that's the best way. Their energy and their actions Will never change. Yes, you see it because you are three things. You are energy, you are philosophy, and your actions.

[Kate Hudson]

Right?

[Cesar Millan]

So if I can convince you to do the right thing, your energy will be like this and your will be like this.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

So of course a nervous dog or an excited dog is going to pee. You see it because the human is overly exciting them or overly making them scared.

[Kate Hudson]

But are we supposed. Are we supposed to not get excited to see our dogs? Generally, when. When you come in the house, I mean, she's like, hey, what's up, Donut? And just walk away.

[Cesar Millan]

No, no, no, no, no, no. You're supposed to, you know. You know, come through the door and give your silence confidence.

[Kellie Williams]

Yes.

[Cesar Millan]

Way for them to give you their silence, their calmness, and their surrender. It's almost like what the Queen of England, you know, normally how she used to greet people. Right. It's social distance. Everybody's quiet, calm, surrender. And she's quiet, calm, confident.

[Podcast Host]

You know what's funny, Cesar? You're saying this my biggest pet peeve, because I have a very active house.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You see how like. And I love. I love my dogs. And I have a very, like, specific way of dealing with them, which is much more stoic. Right. Like, I don't allow them to bark when they're about to eat.

[Kellie Williams]

Like, we.

[Podcast Host]

I'm very like all this stuff. But. But there's some people find that when dogs are all over them and they are barking for them, they. They find a sense of purpose because the dogs are, you know, and then you find that they become unruly. Your dogs bark all the time they're barking, you know, whenever that person comes in, like crazy. But then you wonder why the dogs are peeing everywhere. You wonder where they're not. They're always going on the chairs that they're not supposed to like. There's no structure.

[Cesar Millan]

You know, Listen, if people just every once in a while, you know, maybe every once just to give it a try, you know, hey, let's see if it works. If people behave the way they behave with horses, they will get the same outcome. Right? Because. Right. And people, enough. Oh, the dog. The horse doesn't love me. Yeah, he loves you peacefully. Right? But because people. People focus on safety, safe, peace, and then to gain the trust and the respect of the horse. You see, the philosophy with the horse is more natural, simple, profound. It's actually more beneficial. Right? And you are actually connecting to spirit, instinct, heart. The word you're describing is more to the fantasy of the human.

[Podcast Host]

Right?

[Cesar Millan]

See, it's more for this, for the, for the emotions of the human and how the human perceives. Yeah, that human is not greeting that dog with spirit instinct first. And you are four things. You are spirit, you are instinct, your heart and your mind. So when people just do like you know what you were saying with dogs, they just do in the heart and the mind, they forget the spirit and the instinct. Now if you don't have spirit and instinct, you don't have safe peace. You don't have trust, respect. You trust the spirit, respect the instinct. Love with the heart, create with the mind. See, the mind is, is not for safety. Yeah, it's for creation.

[Kate Hudson]

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[Podcast Host]

What do you think the hardest sort of habit of a dog is to rehabilitate?

[Cesar Millan]

Well, sometimes it's a combination. They have. You know, they have layers. Sometimes they have fear inside. Sometimes they have aggression. Sometimes they have anxiety. So all of those three together, you know, sometimes they just have fear. Sometimes they just have aggression, and sometimes they just have avoidance. Like one of the three. Right. Because the only. The only bad thing a dog can do for us is fight. Flight, avoidance. Those are the only three bad things.

[Kate Hudson]

Right, Right.

[Cesar Millan]

And they're not doing consciously. They're not. I'm gonna kill that dog. They're not doing that. You know what I mean? They're not. Jeffy Dahmer. They're not gonna. They're never gonna become none of those humans. Right, right. They're just going to react. There is no knowledge behind instincts. It's all reaction. So they're not thinking.

[Podcast Host]

Right?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Have you ever worked with a dog that you couldn't rehabilitate? No, never.

[Cesar Millan]

No, No. I have worked with dogs that have neurological problems, and they're definitely more difficult because it's a wire. Not touching the other wire.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, Right.

[Cesar Millan]

But if you watch the episode I did with a dog named Brunello, that he was blind, daft, extremely aggressive, and had neurological problems. Whoa.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my gosh. Blind, deaf, and angry.

[Cesar Millan]

Yep, yep. And for six years. So this dog was allowed to practice this behavior for six years. So a blind and deaf dog attacking things. Yeah, the nose became extremely good. The nose became like a bloodhound. He says. So he will find anything like an elephant, like with the trunk. So what we needed to do for him is to slow him down completely. So the dog learned to come from. From a sense of silence and sense of peace. Because it's a vibration. Right. Silence is a vibration. Like no sound. It's just quiet. Super. So you got to take the dog back into that, and then you have to help a dog to calm down, to change the breath. Then you can influence the mind. So you got to influence the spirit. You influence the body, and then the mind. See, the mind is number three. The heart is number four. The joy is number five. So if you. If you do this, you can help a dog. There are a lot of people will say, I can.

[Kate Hudson]

But in order to start these steps, don't you have to be the alpha. Meaning don't you have to display your dominance in order to gain the respect of the dog than to change it? Because I've seen your show a million times, you know, and it's about establishing, like, I'm the. I'm your owner, essentially.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah, well, you guiding them, right. So you have to be the alpha in your silence and your calmness and your confidence and your love and your joy. So you, because you carry this position, you have to be the most honest, the most responsible, the one with the biggest heart and the one that is capable to, you know, come out with any creativity and remove obstacles. You see it. So it's not just, you know, like Fidel Castro type of thing. No, no, no. I'm talking about the leadership the animals do. Why? Which is the opposite of politicians. Because politicians, the first thing they don't do is honesty. So in the animal world, they don't follow unstable leaders. They will never follow any of the politicians we have. Never do it.

[Podcast Host]

Do you think though, that there's certain dogs that want to, like that mess with you? They're like, no, actually I can tell that this owner's trying to get me.

[Kate Hudson]

He's just an extremely intellectual dog.

[Cesar Millan]

No, listen, the biggest dog you can work with is a hybrid wolf, right? So once you convince a hybrid wolf, which I have to follow you, to trust you, that's you're working with instincts, you're not working with intelligence. No, they're not trying to mess with you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

They're not trying to make you unhappy, make you unhealthy, make you not love, make you not being smart. They're not trying to do that. They just want you to be happy, be healthy, be loving and have hope. That's it.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, that's. I was actually, I was going to actually ask you that about intelligence because, you know, we have this idea, and maybe it is a correct idea, that there are more intelligence, intelligent dogs than others. I mean, that. Is that the case?

[Cesar Millan]

The most intelligent dogs in the world are street dogs because they survive on their own without the help of the human. The dogs that are trained by human, they need to be told what to do.

[Kate Hudson]

I have an English bulldog and I have a German short hair pointer. My German short hair pointer, I can speak to like a human being. Like, he is my. It's unbelievable how big. And donut, my bulldog is just a complete dumb, dumb. I mean, I love him for it, but he's just such a dummy.

[Cesar Millan]

Right? Well, each breed has its own capability. The reason why the border collie often is described as the most intelligent breed in the planet is because they looking in. So once you have a dog that is looking at you and you put time into that dog, of course you're going to help them develop, you know, everything. Right. And so the rest of the breeds are bred to look away from you because they're hunters. Right. So the border collie is looking in because he needs to look at the sheep. Now, if there's no sheep, what is he going to look at? Whoever is in front of them. If you are a good human, you're going to spend time with the dog. And by you spending time with the dog, you're going to challenge the mind.

[Podcast Host]

It's like poodles look out too, because my maltipoo looks out.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah. Any dog that looks at you is going to be amazing.

[Kate Hudson]

Same with Bronco. Same with my, My pointer is a hunter too. He's a bird hunter.

[Podcast Host]

It's, it's amazing. That connective thing too, when you look into your dog's eyes and they can hold your gaze.

[Cesar Millan]

Yep.

[Podcast Host]

Is just one of the great. Kind of sweet. I love it so much.

[Cesar Millan]

I love it as an eye contact conversation. Right. Just like as a nose conversation, eyes conversation, ears conversation. So if you are, you know, if you one day capture that and then you gave this, you give this dog all this communication, all this vibration, then you, you have a connection of eye contact. You follow what I'm saying? So, yeah. So then you say, well, then my dog is this. Yeah. The key is to do it with all the dogs, not just with one. No, I see. Here's to you. Right. Even with the slow ones, like I say, back of the pack, middle of the pack, front of the pack. So obviously the front of the pack are going to give direction protection. Those are the police dogs. Right. Now, remember now, because he's a German shepherd, he can be a police dog. Not every dog is born to be a police dog.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Only the front of the pack can do that kind of job. Why? Because they're born to give direction protection.

[Kellie Williams]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I have a Doberman who looks scary and he literally. I think he'd be an amazing support dog.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah. Happy go lucky. So those are the pack. Those are the ones. They're just playful. They're living this vibration of playing.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, he is the best dog. I fostered him and he was going to a kill shelter. I took him, I fostered him and he's so beautiful. He's a red Doberman, really big and I couldn't get. I couldn't let him go. I loved him. He's the sweetest. He is cuddliest. Like, just wants to be loved. I mean, he's like one of the so needy.

[Kate Hudson]

It sounds.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, he's so needy.

[Cesar Millan]

But that list, that letters that let people know they're not. Because it's a Doberman, right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

They have this side of them, right? Because in the 70s and the 70s, people attacked the Dobermans.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

And the 60 people attacked the German shepherds. In the 80s and the 90s, Rottweilers, now pit bulls. Right. Every 10 years, society attacks a powerful breed. You see it? But it's not the breed. It's not the breed. We have to understand. Listen, when we love dogs, we have to understand the three positions. They're going, so when we say, I want a dog, okay, what position do you want? It's not. What kind of breed do you want now? What size is it? You know, because even in the Pomeranians, in order for them to go to Best in Show, so they have to be the front of the pack. They can't be middle or back.

[Kate Hudson]

Kate had a Pomeranian.

[Podcast Host]

I had a Pomeranian for almost 17.

[Kate Hudson]

Years, and I'm convinced that she committed suicide.

[Podcast Host]

Eventually.

[Kate Hudson]

One day, she just walked into the pool. She's like, you know what?

[Podcast Host]

This is a longer story. This is a much longer story.

[Cesar Millan]

Jesus.

[Podcast Host]

Clara Bow. My mom. My mom. And everybody was like, she's really, like, at the point now where you should think about putting her down. Right? And I'm. I don't like, like doing that. I'm like, when she's ready to go, she's gonna be ready to go.

[Kellie Williams]

She.

[Podcast Host]

She barks when she wants to go to the bathroom. She barks when she wants to eat. She barks when she wants to be picked up. And for. For months, I. I would have to take her out. She couldn't walk. And. And then she, like, had it. Then all of a sudden, everyone's like, you gotta put her down. And I started really thinking, like, maybe I should. And. And then all of a sudden, she started walking again. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, so then she started walking. Then she went back, and then it was really, like. I could tell she was on her last, you know, months or days or whatever. And then. I can't explain this to you because it's so insane. She would only sit in her little. In her bed all the way on the other side of my house, which is about an acre, and there's no water around her at all. Now the pool's on the other side of the house. And she somehow ended up. It was awful. It was one of the most awful things of all time.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

But everybody's convinced that she was like, get me out of here.

[Kate Hudson]

I think she was.

[Podcast Host]

I don't want to be in this body anymore.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, for her to trek an acre is like us climbing Everest without training.

[Podcast Host]

It was really like, one of those things where I was like, okay, well, you know, it was not the way I wanted her to see her go, but it was, was. It was. It was.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. She was like, get me out of here.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Wait. I. I have a quick question, though, about just breeds. Are. Are. Are breeds just genetically sometimes predisposed to certain things, whether it be anxiety or, you know, all of kind of the. The issues that dogs that you were explaining that most dogs or some dogs have, are, does the breed matter? Is there a genetic components?

[Cesar Millan]

That's bad breeding. That's why people who breed dogs that. I'm not saying, you know, become a breeder. The. The. The level of ethics that they need to have, have to be high. And, you know, in the breeding world and the breeders world, it is, right? Because these people that come with 30, 40 years, you know, a line bloodline of dogs, they can guarantee you, you know, a certain outcome of their dog because they're making sure they're healthy. Healthy all the way. Every generation is healthy. So can you breed health? Yes, you can. You see it. So these. These dogs are born with anxiety and all, like puppy meals, right? So in the puppy meal world, they don't really care about good genes. They just care about how much money can they make. So a lot of times these dogs are. Are in the market, are in the city, are in the community. You know, that's what we get to see. Because in. Think about it, in nature, they will never breed with anything that is not healthy. They can't afford to breed a male and a female. They're not healthy. Right. And Mother nature, they kill each other. You're not healthy. Right. No one who doesn't have the highest level of genes will ever mate. But with us, because it's emotional. Oh, I want her to have babies. Oh, I want him to have babies. That can be the most anxious dog, the most nervous dog, the more confused dog, you know, bad skin or bad hips or whatever, but it's emotional.

[Kellie Williams]

Mm.

[Cesar Millan]

Right. So the human permission, because the emotion is bigger than the logic.

[Podcast Host]

Well, what do you think about breeding? Is that something that you are, you know, do you. Are you A rescue. Like, how do you look at the sort of the dog world and the dog.

[Cesar Millan]

Right.

[Kate Hudson]

Sort of the politics behind all of it?

[Cesar Millan]

Well, you know, there is good breeders, right? There is good. Because I have clients who want a purebred dog. And that's all they want. They don't want nothing else. They want to know, you know, they want to start from the beginning. Right. And. But in reality, in America, unfortunately, is a lot of dogs they euthanize because the overpopulation. So of course, when. And so who do I help? Right? Who do I help? And so definitely, you know, if you want a great breeder. Do I know? Yes, of course. But what I would I let you know, hey, give a chance to a dog that you know is going to be put down just because it's too many.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Right. So instead of you coming from logic, you do it more spiritual. Right. Because you're gonna keep somebody alive. Right. That dog wasn't meant to die. It's just too many of them. So then. Then the mission or the. Or the journey, it gets a little bit deeper from the beginning. Me?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Do you. Do you have a favorite breed?

[Cesar Millan]

No, I just love dogs. I love the pack. Yeah, right. To me, if you get if like I said, I had 65 dogs at one point.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

But I just love the community. I love the family. Like, I love this quantity. I love. Because once you are followed by a pack of dogs, it's literally like you've been followed by two elephants. Imagine being followed by two elephants. Right. The energy that they promote is very big. So when you have a pack of dogs, is it bigger than pack? You know what I mean? So when they're in a follower state, it's not the breed who's following you, it's the spirit and the instinct following you.

[Podcast Host]

I have this thing where I'll walk around the house and I'll be doing things for like an hour and I'll realize that all of my dogs are following me all over the house. It's so cute. And then. And we go into the room, we know what. And they all come into the room. It's just. It's like I just. They're, you know, my little dog babies are just the best thing in the world.

[Cesar Millan]

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[Kate Hudson]

Do you find that some sort of modern day devices devices or modern day ways of training are, you know, not good and controversial, you know, with like shot collars and all that kinds of stuff?

[Cesar Millan]

Well, you have to understand why people would invent something like that, right? Why, why, why is that a tool that some people do need? Right? Because the dog is already at a level, at a high level of excitement or predatorial behavior or you know, just, just the mind is in an instinctual mode. But if you never want to use tools, do everything right in puppyhood.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, right.

[Cesar Millan]

Just do everything right in puppyhood. Remember, animals don't use tools. Yeah, but they do things right, right? You see, the human brings a dog and then he leaves him there. No exercise, mental stimulation comes back and only gives affection, right? So the dog lives in this world of affection, affection, affection. Every once in a while, exercise, mental stimulation, you see it. So the exercise, especially in a puppy. Can a puppy follow you without the leash? Of course. It's like a duck, right? It's like a little baby sheep. What are they going to do? They're going to follow somebody, they're going to find somebody to follow. Your job is to nurture that, right? And then with Rules, boundaries, limitations. That's how you nurture it. It. Now, most people do not do that. Most people do not raise a dog the right way. So, so then the dog from birth to eight months becomes an adolescent at eight months. So at eight months, the dog is an adolescent. The females can become in heat. What does that mean? That means they can have puppies. A male a year and two months, he can mount. And you already start seeing that he begins to pee or he begins to explore or he will get, or he begins to, to patrol his environment. See, all of those are activities that are saying, I'm about to start becoming territorial and dominant. Do you see it? And if you don't do anything about it, I can harm other dogs or I can harm squirrels or I can harm anything. Right. Because the human is not creating rules, boundaries, limitations. You get it? So the first technology invented in the world was Alicia.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Right. So I always tell people, listen, before you use any tool, any tool, your energy, your philosophy, your actions, number one, then do the same thing with the leash. Good energy, good philosophy, good actions, Then you bring what I invented.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, I want to hear about this.

[Cesar Millan]

Because this is for, this is for, to maintain the rules, boundaries, limitations. Especially if you're not watching, watching. If you're not watching or if you're not there, it's like AI reminding your dog, hey, this is the rules, boundaries, limitations. To block a dog from breaking the rules, boundaries, limitations. That's when the tool can benefit you. Right, but can you do it without the tool? Of course. Of course you can. Look at the homeless people. Homeless people walk a dog off leash.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, right.

[Cesar Millan]

Go to the Amazon. Nobody in the Amazon has tools. Go to third world countries. Nobody in third world countries have tools, so. Right, but why? Because they're quite, they're calm, they do natural stuff. You know, they're not afraid if the dog is going to run away. They're not afraid the dog is going to bite somebody. The human is not practicing, you know, tension or the human is not practicing any kind of confusion.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Cesar Millan]

You see it? So you are the first tool. I think when you're not aware of your energy, you can hurt your, your, your environment. Yeah. When your philosophy is not the right one. You can harm your environment when your actions are not the right ones. And then when you do all of them at the same time, then you are the, the one who is, who is the wrong tool. Right.

[Podcast Host]

It's funny, I, I find that like I've, I've worked with a lot of different dog trainers and People who work with dogs and they do use tools, you know, there, there seems to be like, I, I, I was working with someone who used the spike collar.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And I didn't, like, made me like, I was like, I don't like this. This feels wrong.

[Cesar Millan]

Yep.

[Podcast Host]

But then the person put the spike collar on me and pulled it, you know, gave me a little thing, and I was like, oh, it actually, it doesn't really, like, you know, hurt.

[Kellie Williams]

What?

[Podcast Host]

What?

[Kate Hudson]

Okay. Is this the hot dog trainer?

[Podcast Host]

No, no, no, no.

[Kate Hudson]

My mind was going a lot of places.

[Podcast Host]

I'm like, then he put the hot dog trainer.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, no, no, no. He put it on my hand. The, My hand. This was actually in Colorado. Guy in Colorado. And, and he kind of just showed me what it, what it feels like, you know, when you, when, when it, you know. And I was like, oh, it's actually not so bad. So I kind of like, it's hard for me to decipher or to understand, like, what is considered appropriate, you know, and, and what isn't. Like, I like shock collars. I got so upset one time with someone that was housing my dog because they use a shock collar on my, on my Aussie. And I was like, this is, I got very, like, you should have asked me. It was all really. And then, and then he, and then this person was saying, like, listen, that your dog has a tendency to do these things. This is what this is. And a lot. I just find that a lot of people who work more with dogs use tools more than say, like, just an owner. And I wonder what your feelings are on that.

[Cesar Millan]

That. Well, that's, that's the reason why I trained humans. Right. Because all, all this, all this confusion or all this. We have to learn to disagree or agree. Right. What do you agree with? Right. Okay, so let's start with this. Let me show you how to, how to use this one. Because this tool, everybody in a dog show use it, right? From the Pomeranians or the Chihuahuas to the Great Dane, everybody has a simple leash. Leash, Right. So what is the leash for? To guide, to stop. Because that's what they pull up. That's when they put the. Up the dog stop. And then the judge can come. And also to park horses, you guide the horse, you stop the horse, you park the horse. So then the brain learned. Oh, the leash means guidance, stop, park. But then the brain learns to come surrender to the leash, right? You see it? So come surrender, as you know, is a very important state of mind because that's when you actually agree that's when you actually understand, that's when you actually absorb in information because you're calm, surrender. You see what I'm saying?

[Kate Hudson]

So talk about, talk about the collar, what you invented, what did you have, what are its capabilities? What are its functionality?

[Cesar Millan]

The capabilities is that you can, you can, let's say, you know, people, believe it or not, for my clients, their American dreams is to take a dog everywhere, right? Just like in Mexico, like nobody in Mexico that has the American dream. The American dream for Mexicans is to come to America. For Americans, the American dream with a dog is to have a dog free. Yeah, Free so I can go to the beach. Free so I can samurai free I can go meet America and you know, my dog can behave properly. And so the whole point of the tool is to remind your dog what the rules, boundaries, limitations are. That's what keeps the dog understanding what's expected. The exercise, you know, the walk or the run is definitely not. Now the collar is not going to do it. You have to be with the dog, walking with the dog, rollerblading, biking with a dog, surfing with a dog. Something physical, right? So the collar is just to remind the dog to behave accordingly, to plan. Or if you, if you don't want the dog to, to go beyond 100ft away from you at the beach, you just create the, the invisible circle, the halo, and your dog will stay within.

[Podcast Host]

That's interesting.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, that's cool.

[Cesar Millan]

You see what I mean?

[Podcast Host]

And what does it do? Does it, is it like a shot collar?

[Cesar Millan]

It has three, three ways to remind your dog. The sound, the vibration. And then if your dog is 5 to 10, that's the only reason why your dog would do that. That's what, that's the only reason why your dog will get that kind of a correction. That's what I'm saying. Exercise before anything else. Because, right. With exercise, the brain becomes more sensitive, the body becomes more sensitive. So when we are more sensitive, it doesn't require physical contact. Somebody can just hey. And just be totally fine. You see it so low, medium, high. So if we keep dogs but in the low medium, you can just remind them with sound and vibration, the only reason will get a strong correction is because it's five to 10. And five to 10 means he's about to go, right? So before the brain goes too far, you snap them out of them. It's like when people, when people panic in a plane. See, it's a physical contact that snaps them out of it because no vibration and no sound will snap that human out of it.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Cesar Millan]

It's already gone. Right. You see it. So the shock is a physical contact. And the reason why, because the only way you can reach a dog without a tool is a remote control. Like, how can I reach? You go after a squirrel. You're about to go after, you know, another dog, for example, or the dog is. Is already far gone from you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

This is.

[Podcast Host]

My friend said the same thing about, you know, using tools was very like. Like there's just certain. And. And then the goal is to have that be something that is then learned quickly.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah. And dogs can learn really fast what not to do. Right. So you just listen. Never teach a dog anything without enough exercise because you don't want the body involved. When they have too much energy in the body, they become like buffalo. So they take. They become like a gorilla. You see what I'm saying? Don't want to go against mother nature because mother nature can take pain like nobody else.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Cesar Millan]

So you lower all the physical energy and you leave the mind open. Surrender. The mind has to be. Surrender. The body has to become calm. Surrender.

[Kate Hudson]

So that's the best time, you're saying to sort of train your dog for.

[Cesar Millan]

Anything for kids, for anything for humans. Don't talk to a human. If a human is in a fight, flight avoidance. He's not gonna listen to you, right?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

A human only listens to you when he's calm. Surrender. Or happy or lucky.

[Kate Hudson]

What's your feelings about creating. Do you keep your dogs in crates? I'm sleeping on the bed. I mean, is that just a personal preference or how do you. How do you look at all that?

[Cesar Millan]

Crates are great when the dog doesn't know how to behave without supervision. Okay, Remember, your house is a crate. Crate. Your four walls is a crate. Now never, never put a dog inside a crate without proper exercise. Never. Just lie to the doll by throwing a food. And then you close the door because now you're trapping.

[Kate Hudson]

Right.

[Cesar Millan]

Never trap a dog. Oh, God. You see what I'm saying?

[Kate Hudson]

Come on, Donut, give me that steak.

[Cesar Millan]

Listen. In order for a dog to. In order for a dog to. To see a positive experience with a crate state, the mind needs to be in a resting state.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

See, resting, that means the dog wants to go and chill.

[Skyrizi Spokesperson]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

And then once the brain goes and say, I just want to go chill. Okay. Then you tell them a chill here. And then you. You need to pay attention. How long does it take for my dog to want it to pee? Because every so often they want to pee. Right? So one Thing is resting. Then there's the pee. Because then by nature, they need to pee. Then. Then you can start prolonging the waiting and the. And the holding. There's two things that they'll have to learn. Oh, I like, I gotta pee. These guys are not opening the door. You get. I mean, so if you're not paying attention to that too. Right. So the dog is going to associate the crate the wrong way. Now the. The sleeping with you make sure that a dog never chooses where to sleep. Because if you have another partner. You know, a lot of times I've been called because the dog dominates their bed. Bed. And only allows one of the family members to come and sleep with them.

[Podcast Host]

All right, that's Cody.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah, you see it.

[Podcast Host]

Cody, when I was single, Cody, when. When. When Danny started getting. It was very funny. He would like get in his side of the bed.

[Kate Hudson]

Cody would.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah. Cody would get on his side of the bed and not move. And again, he'd be like, Cody, Cody.

[Cesar Millan]

And he.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I bet Cody. Cody down. And he would go down. But it was like all. It would only, you know, for the first, like two years. Is really funny.

[Cesar Millan]

Jesus. Two years?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah. For the first two years, he always gotten Danny's. Danny's side. Well, I mean, like, of dating. And then he moved in and then.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Okay.

[Kate Hudson]

It's so fascinating, all this stuff, you know, just the psychology of the dog. You know, how deep it can honestly be. Because I think a lot of dog owners just buy a dog and they kind of get lazy and like, oh, I'm gonna be two weeks in. Like, ah, it. Okay, whatever. You know, they just get lazy on it. But yeah, it's. It's. You know, there's real psychology there.

[Cesar Millan]

Remember during COVID all the shelters were empty. And then all the charters. After Covet, all the charter got full. So what Is that what. Why people used to say, I don't have time. Then with COVID they have time, then they send the dogs right back. So why did they do that? Because they never understood what was the responsibility behind. It was just an idea. And it looked good in the idea.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[Cesar Millan]

You see what I mean? Because once you enter into a relationship, you have to use honesty, integrity, loyalty. The integrity is what allows you to follow through. Once you adopt a dog, you don't quit.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Quit on the human. Why would a human quit on a dog? Because a human wasn't ready. That's why.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I gotta go take donut for a walk right now. I've completely neglected Donut. I know. Because the bulldog can just. They lull you into a false sense.

[Cesar Millan]

Not all of them, man. Not all of them. Because I have some bulldogs here. They are like, you know, like.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Devil mixed with a rhino.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Donut, too. I mean, Donut is in love with human beings, but he will go after other dogs. He gets territorial, you know, charge them.

[Podcast Host]

I had a. I had a bulldog that was like a gazelle. It could, like, jump. It was like, coat. It was like a. Yeah, it was. It could jump up onto, like, big fences and stuff. I'd be like, this is the only bulldog in the world that has like.

[Kellie Williams]

Like.

[Kate Hudson]

No, I know. And Donut, my bulldog can swim.

[Podcast Host]

Yep.

[Cesar Millan]

Yep. Mine too.

[Podcast Host]

You can swim?

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah. Really?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Once they relax. Once they relax, they don't do this. Right. Float.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. Bulldogs.

[Cesar Millan]

The key with bulldogs is to help them relax. Right. Because once they relax, then they going to use the voyage to float.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

And then they just go.

[Kate Hudson]

They are funny, man. That's a funny breed of dog.

[Cesar Millan]

Dog. Okay. What did you learn today?

[Podcast Host]

I learned that I need to walk my dogs more. That I. That it should be something I do, like, once in the morning and once in the afternoon, for sure. And I have learned that. Well, I honestly, like, I think the biggest thing is what you're saying is to. Is to really sort of teach them when they're calm.

[Kate Hudson]

That's what I was gonna say. That was big for me.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I didn't realize that. Yeah.

[Kellie Williams]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Hey, don't forget, it's two Silence and calm. Silence is really powerful because that's what gives you patience.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Calm is your breath. They gonna trust your breath. Right. Because animals are connected to the breath. Is that simple, simple, profound. And then it's the knowledge. Silence, calmness, knowledge, love, joy.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

So if everybody around the world practice that formula, ritual, symbol, and then all the dogs around the world are gonna be, you know, perfectly fine, gonna be able to, you know, because they're gonna be tired by people doing exercise. They're gonna understand because people maintain rules, boundaries, limitations. And because the dog did that, the human will give love. So you. You're gonna end up giving love to trust, respect. You're gonna end up giving love to the body and the mind. That's what you're giving love to.

[Kellie Williams]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

This is bigger than dogs.

[Cesar Millan]

Well, this is the. Remember God dog. So it's God dog, human. So the dog is here to remind the human about God and earth. Right. God is the silence, is the patience. And dog Is the calmness, is the connection. And then as well, what is your role in this case? Your role is to be the pack leader of your house. Right. That's your role. Your role is not just to give direction, protection, love.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. Children.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Cesar Millan]

It's the same.

[Kate Hudson]

How many times you've been bitten? Like a thousand.

[Cesar Millan]

The worst one was my divorce. I was bitten by Hollywood, baby. I got money, fame, and power, and just. That's the strongest bite.

[Kate Hudson]

Has that been difficult to deal with.

[Cesar Millan]

By the way, for you? In the beginning, yes. Because, you know. Yeah, in the beginning it was really bad. It was a really bad divorce. So the dog bites.

[Podcast Host]

Bites.

[Cesar Millan]

They're not doing it thinking it. The human bites thinking it.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cesar Millan]

Humans can do, like, really.

[Kate Hudson]

It took a while for you to transition into this new world of sort of, you know, fame and people knowing who you are.

[Cesar Millan]

I wasn't coming for the fame. I was just coming to learn, you know, and then go back home. Right. So I wasn't prepared, you know? Yeah. I wasn't coming. I'm not coming to LA to become an actor. Right, right. That was not my thing.

[Kate Hudson]

Right, yeah. Oh, wow, that's so interesting.

[Podcast Host]

So funny.

[Cesar Millan]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, listen, I also learned that when I'm having issues, I'm gonna call you.

[Kate Hudson]

I know, Me too. Like, forget about the dogs. We're just gonna, like, get some positive affirmations.

[Podcast Host]

I'm like, can we talk about God, dog, and human again? I need to unpack that even more.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, thank you, Caesar. Been really great, man.

[Cesar Millan]

Thank you for the opportunity. Guys, guys, see you. Bye.

[Podcast Host]

Bye.

[Cesar Millan]

Thank you. Thank you.

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[Skyrizi Spokesperson]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Cesar Millan]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Cesar Millan]

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