The One With Susan Heyward

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – The One With Susan Heyward (June 1, 2026)

Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change
Guest: Susan Heyward (The Boys, Orange is the New Black, Broadway)
Podcast Theme: Candid, electric, and comedic pop culture chat, this week focused heavily on “The Boys” with special guest Susan Heyward, who plays Sister Sage on the show.

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes actor Susan Heyward for a lively, funny, and in-depth conversation spanning her role as Sister Sage on "The Boys," the challenges and joys of playing complex characters, representation in media, horror movies, memories from "Orange is the New Black," and a playful competitive segment. There’s a strong through line of celebrating Black women’s range on screen, peeking behind the curtain of favorite TV moments, and connecting over theater nerdom, New York survival jobs, and sibling dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spoiler Warning and Pop Culture Shorthand ([01:10])

• The hosts issue a warning about spoilers for “The Boys,” “Orange is the New Black,” and “Power.”
• Quote: “There’s a lot of spoilers today. So if you’ve not finished The Boys, please go watch it and then come back.” – Bob (01:22)
• Running joke on how spoiler rules change once a show is more than a week old.

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2. Getting into “The Boys” and Susan’s Role as Sister Sage ([02:25])

• Friendly banter around who first started watching "The Boys."
• Everyone agrees the show hooked them the moment A-Train's dramatic intro happened.
• Quote: “I love a show that low key, kills a main character in the first ten minutes.” – Bob (03:53)
• Susan describes preparing for Sage by watching chess games, focusing on the restraint and the “beautiful mind” element over physical power.
• Discussion of her character’s uniqueness—the only one whose superpower is immense intelligence, not physical force ([08:24]).
• Quote: “For me, the preparation was watching chess games...For Sage, it was all about restraint.” – Susan (08:40)

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3. Superheroes and Nostalgia ([04:54])

• Susan shares about loving superheroes and her favorite cartoons, especially “Thundercats.”
• Joke about reboots and generational TV touchstones.

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4. Fast Food Confessions ([06:27])

• Susan admits she can’t do Taco Bell and backtracks on Chick-fil-A because of its corporate policies.
• Bob confesses to frequent Popeyes: “I order Popeyes probably legit three times a week, which is crazy.” (08:11)

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5. Complexity in Playing Sage and Breaking Stereotypes ([09:32])

• Susan relished playing a Black woman who isn’t the “moral center” for once.
• Quote: “I think Black women should be allowed to be the bitch.” – Bob (09:49)
• Quote: “There’s times when that [supportive role] needs to go and we need to flip tables over and burn some things down and throw slushies.” – Susan (10:02)
• Behind-the-scenes chat about executing staged “protester” moments, and how practical effects work in those scenes.

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6. Art Imitating Life: Filming in a Political Climate ([12:03])

• Susan discusses how cathartic and empowering it felt to act out resistance to fascism on "The Boys."
• Quote: “Fascism has a pattern. And when you’re artists, you can say – hey, hey, get ready for this.” – Susan (12:18)

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7. Fan Theories, Favorite Characters, and Gendered Power ([14:02], [14:50], [16:01])

• Which “The Boys” character Susan would play besides Sage (“Kimiko”).
• Differential portrayal of power on the show, quirks in character development, and inside jokes about casting and showrunners’ decisions.
• Flirty debate over who is the hottest male character in “The Boys,” with various preferences discussed.

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8. On Stage with Cicely Tyson & Theater Memories ([19:49])

• Susan tells the story of understudying Condola Rashad and performing onstage with Cicely Tyson.
• Quote: “You felt like you were with her, thinking with her...I just fall into her eyes, and I’m like, yeah, I’m just talking, having a conversation with you. Oh. Oh. Hello, audience.” – Susan (20:31)

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9. Race and Representation in Media (Harry Potter, Snape Controversy) ([22:39])

• Discussion on expanded inclusivity in the Harry Potter reboot.
• Quote: “There’s more for good than for bad.” – Monét (23:10)
• Quote: “If a character you love is racist, let’s talk about that.” – Susan (23:23)

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10. Orange is the New Black & Breaking In ([42:19])

• Susan credits Danielle Brooks as a highlight of her OITNB experience and reflects on both her and Bob’s amusing behind-the-scenes Laverne Cox stories.
• Quote: “She was my co-worker...[now] I was like, Laverne, you’re on a Netflix show!” – Bob (43:13)

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11. Shakespeare, Little Shop, and Theater Nerd Tangents ([44:41])

• Susan and hosts debate what makes "Much Ado About Nothing" and "Romeo and Juliet" special, and riff on how “Little Shop of Horrors” is a Shakespearean story.
• Monét’s classic: “Mine is Grizabella.” (from Cats) as her favorite Shakespeare character ([45:36])

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12. Funny Survival Jobs & Haunted House Stories ([28:23])

• Susan’s early NY survival jobs: lighting tech and haunted house performer (“I would crawl under the lake…and the amount of dicks and vaginas I saw…as the night went on.” – Susan, 29:19)
• Hysterical anecdotes about haunted house encounters.

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13. Acting Challenge: Viral "Oh, Wow" TikTok Segment ([48:14])

• All three creatively perform the phrase "Oh, wow" in a series of dramatic scenarios. Notable competitive energy.

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14. Superpower Generator Game ([57:03])

• Hosts and Susan use a random superpower generator to roleplay a goofy, improvised “battle,” debating who'd win based on surprise powers.
• Memorable moment: “I paused time. Time. I take one little speck of sand, put it above the heads. I make it gigantic. It is the size of two houses. And then I walk away. And I drop it with a snap and only...one of you does evade it.” – Bob (64:52)

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15. Sibling & Family Bonds ([68:44])

• Monét and Susan talk about being the babies of their families and the evolving nature of sibling rivalries.
• Bob shares a heartfelt story about revealing a childhood secret to his mom late in her life.

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16. Confessions and TV Trivia Tease ([71:31], [72:01])

• Final cozy confessions, childhood stories, and prepping for an exclusive Patreon TV trivia challenge.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “For me, the preparation was watching chess games...it was all about restraint.” – Susan (08:40)
• “I think Black women should be allowed to be the bitch.” – Bob (09:49)
• “Fascism has a pattern. And when you’re artists, you can say – hey, hey, get ready for this.” – Susan (12:18)
• “If a character you love is racist, let’s talk about that.” – Susan (23:23)
• Haunted house story: “I would crawl under the lake...the amount of dicks and vaginas I saw…” – Susan (29:19)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:10 – Spoiler warnings
• 02:25 – Intro to Susan and “The Boys”
• 08:24 – Playing Sage; power of intellect over superpowers
• 12:03 – Art & fascism; societal parallels
• 14:02 – Dream roles besides Sage
• 19:49 – Stage with Cicely Tyson/acting stories
• 22:39 – Harry Potter reboot/Snape race debates
• 28:23 – Survival jobs/haunted house tales
• 42:19 – “Orange Is the New Black” chat
• 44:41 – Shakespeare and musical theater nerd-out
• 48:14 – Viral “Oh, wow” acting challenge
• 57:03 – Superpower Generator improv game
• 68:44 – Family/sibling rivalry chats
• 71:31 – Confessions & childhood stories
• 72:01 – TV trivia tease (Patreon)

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Episode Tone

• Warm, irreverent, and supportive with sharp-witted banter, deep dives into character work, and strong through lines about Black women’s multidimensionality in media.
• Endearing blend of genuine respect for craft and goofy playfulness, making the content both insightful and very entertaining.

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For New Listeners

If you've never watched "The Boys," know that this episode spoils major plotlines, but also provides a hilarious, insider’s view of what it means to embody subversive, intelligent characters in comic-inspired universes. The personal stories, industry reflections, and competitive improv games are entertaining and revealing even for first-time listeners.

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Guest Susan Heyward’s message: Rest is revolutionary; embrace the cocoon and let surprises unfold.
Watch her on: “The Boys” (Amazon Prime), “Orange Is the New Black” (Netflix), and (potentially) somewhere new after her rest period.

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Episode Essence:
A celebration of resilience, Black excellence, pop culture obsession, and the radical act of bringing your whole, complicated, hilarious self to the screen, the stage, and the sibling rivalry table.

Transcript

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hey, guys, we need to let you know there are gonna be spoilers, not just for the boys. Orange is the new black.

[Monet X Change]

Orange is the new black.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you were one of the folks who watched that PlayStation 2 show, Power

[Susan Hayward]

A little bit Power.

[Monet X Change]

Power is this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. There's a lot of spoilers today. So if you've not finished the boys, please go watch it and then come back.

[Monet X Change]

We're very kind. Shows that are over five years old, y' all talking about. Spoiler alert, please.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The boys. Been done a week.

[Susan Hayward]

I followed you.

[Monet X Change]

I was like, orange and new black.

[Susan Hayward]

It's been out. It's been out, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[Monet X Change]

And I'm Monet X Change.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this is simply rivalry.

[Monet X Change]

On this week's episode, we welcome Susan Hayward to the podcast.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She saw some interesting things at a haunted house.

[Susan Hayward]

We find out what made Bob say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She pissed me off, though.

[Monet X Change]

We find out what made Susan say this.

[Susan Hayward]

You're not hearing that right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we find out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

There's more for good than for bad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, everyone.

[Monet X Change]

I am so excited about this episode.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. Now, listen, y'. All, Usually this show is just for the girls, the gays, and the theys, but today, we are doing a show for the boys. I see that.

[Susan Hayward]

I see what you did. You're funny.

[Monet X Change]

Sometimes

[Bob the Drag Queen]

she can never just give me a compliment. It's always gotta do something nasty going along with it.

[Monet X Change]

Yo, please welcome to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, I'm not done with my intro.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, go ahead.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Normally, this show is just for the girls, gays, and they. I gotta say it again. But today we're doing a show for the boys. We are going. Listen, we have been from prison to Vaught Towers. We are. We. And we are now taking a trip all the way to Bountiful, Honey. We are joined by the amazing Ms. Susan Hayworth.

[Monet X Change]

How you doing?

[Susan Hayward]

You're very kind. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here.

[Monet X Change]

We're so happy to have you here. First of all, we're big fans of you. Big fans of the Boys. I think I. I think I put you onto the Boys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Absolutely.

[Monet X Change]

In. In. In Pandemi.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think I did. Jacob, get on the mic and. And.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, take credit. Take credit. Oh, hi. Thank you. Jacob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, please get on the mic and clear it up, because that is.

[Monet X Change]

That is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is so untrue.

[Susan Hayward]

You think you did.

[Monet X Change]

I think I did.

[Jacob]

Feel like we started watching it together.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, we. We started with us. Of the group. No. Well, Jacob and I started watching of our own accord.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay. But who told you about it? Who put y' all on?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I feel like we just saw it on.

[Jacob]

We're nerds. We're superhero girlies.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, we love superheroes.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay, so we're marketing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We saw it on Amazon and we were like, this seems fun. And then the moment I saw a train blast through that woman.

[Susan Hayward]

That's the moment.

[Monet X Change]

That's the moment.

[Susan Hayward]

That's the moment.

[Monet X Change]

That sold me, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I love it. I love a show that low key, kills a main character in the first ten minutes.

[Susan Hayward]

Right, Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Desperate Housewives has done this before. Yeah. The boys did this. And there's something about just, like, blasting through. Like, you think this woman's going to be like, the main character, and then she's just smithereen in pieces. So I was. I was hooked. And I love that each. Each season would give a cliffhanger that would make you so fucking irritated and so annoyed that when. When the heads were popping a head popper.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So good.

[Susan Hayward]

This is nasty. But I'm not going to stop watching.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. When the show is disgusting, I rewind back and watch it again.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, do you really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, do you not?

[Monet X Change]

No. Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

At the most, I don't want the blood and go. I mean, I like it.

[Monet X Change]

Having the moment. I don't want to relive it.

[Susan Hayward]

So. Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Please back me up on this.

[Susan Hayward]

Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

At the show's most disgusting moment, you have to go back. Thank you.

[Susan Hayward]

You pause and you watch. You go far. You laugh. You comfort yourself. You rewind and you do it again.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Exactly.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, are you a big superhero, Girly? Like, before the. Before the boys? Were you big into superheroes as a child?

[Susan Hayward]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

As a child, I was in my. Like, my cartoons.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

A little Chitara.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Chitara.

[Susan Hayward]

Thundercats.

[Monet X Change]

How have we not done a thundercats reboot yet?

[Susan Hayward]

I don't understand.

[Monet X Change]

Like, we gotta do it. I know. Did you. Do you watch Thundercats?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did not watch thundercats.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Girl, you're missing out. It was a great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I remember the scream. Thunder Cast.

[Susan Hayward]

Thunder.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thunder.

[Susan Hayward]

Thunder Cast. That was my jam. It was Saturday morning.

[Monet X Change]

Saturday morning.

[Susan Hayward]

Saturday morning.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so Thundercast is, like, older than us, though.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, maybe it was, but it still plays.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How old are you?

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah, I was old enough to know.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why do you believe this? Bobby Jacob?

[Susan Hayward]

Google it. Google it. Google it. People are already talking about it. People talk about it. Yeah. I'll turn 44 in November.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[Susan Hayward]

I love your reaction.

[Monet X Change]

No, you're lying.

[Susan Hayward]

Yes, I'm lying. For all the casting directors out there, that was a lie. I'm a good actress.

[Monet X Change]

You are a stunning specimen of a person.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who do you think Sister Sage was?

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, I think she was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or is. She's still alive.

[Susan Hayward]

Thank you very much.

[Monet X Change]

She made it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She made it to Disney.

[Susan Hayward]

I. I feel like. Like, right about 30.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

38.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

Because I believe 30 is big for everyone.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Mercury Return. No, That's Saturday.

[Susan Hayward]

Yes. 27.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

But I. I felt like she's right on that cusp of, like, hardening. That and the fear of, like, I'm going to P30. This is it. This is my life. And I feel like she went through that. She was like, I guess this is my life. I'm in my apartment. I. I'm reading. Yeah, she's settling with Homelander.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's your Taco Bell order? What's Susan's Taco Bell order?

[Susan Hayward]

My Taco Bell order? Chick Fil. A

[Monet X Change]

cocktail.

[Susan Hayward]

I can't do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What?

[Susan Hayward]

I know. I was pretending. I don't mean to break hearts, but I have to be honest. I can't do it.

[Monet X Change]

It's delicious. Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

The oil.

[Monet X Change]

I used to be that way, too. Because in.

[Susan Hayward]

Can you leave me? We're shocked. You'll leave him a moment to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No one likes Taco Bell.

[Monet X Change]

Well, here's the thing. In, like, college time for me,

[Susan Hayward]

Big

[Monet X Change]

Meat, like, the meat industry was coming against Taco Bell. Cause there's a whole campaign. Y' all tell me how I remember this. When it said that Taco Bell used Grade F meat. So it turned a lot of people away from Taco Bell. Because apparently. Cause dog food uses Grade D. So we're like, if we're using Grade F, then what is going on? But then. But then it got debunked. It was like a campaign against Taco Bell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't care if Taco Bell's using Grade Z. I'm going down there and I'm ordering my grilled cheese burrito with seasoned beef.

[Susan Hayward]

Ooh. I'm happy for. And you know what? I have to even take back Chick Fil A. Because there was a time when I did Chick Fil A. And then I learned who they were.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

And I know who you are now. And then I step back in your

[Bob the Drag Queen]

defense, Susan, it's great. I. I've broken this news. I used to work for Chick Fil a in college.

[Monet X Change]

Fil A, he owns the one down there on vine and Highlands.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, as if I could afford to own Chick Fil.

[Susan Hayward]

Listen, franchise life is a whole different kind of life. It's a whole different kind of company.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Megan, the Stallion owns the Popeyes.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Megan, thee Stallion owns the Popeyes.

[Susan Hayward]

Go ahead, Megan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Should the whole thing about it. Should we? Should we?

[Susan Hayward]

Should we? Should we? I'll do some Popeyes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The three of us.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm not afraid of doing Popeyes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not going to lie to you.

[Susan Hayward]

That's Grease. I can get with same.

[Monet X Change]

I'm getting out the Popeyes. Grease.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I order Pop Popeye. Three black folks on Popeye. I order Popeyes. Crispy chicken, fresh lettuce. Mary J. Blige, if you're watching. That was a joke.

[Susan Hayward]

Listen, we love you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We love you, sis.

[Susan Hayward]

That's all, love.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I order Popeyes, probably legit, three times a week, which is crazy.

[Monet X Change]

No, I know.

[Susan Hayward]

Think of me, salads.

[Monet X Change]

I wonder why my Tyber.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't figure out why my blood pressure's so high.

[Susan Hayward]

I can't figure out why I'm sweating.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. I have a question. So when you get the role of Sister Stage and you're playing such an interesting character, because unlike all these other motherfuckers who have super strength and their body and they're doing things, your power is your beautiful mind. Like, how do you take on that role? Like what? Like what goes into the preparation for that?

[Susan Hayward]

For me, the preparation was watching chess games. There was a certain stillness and focus when people were thinking about all kinds of possibilities and outcomes. So for me, it was actually all about restraint. Because I'm a gregarious person. I will break out in a song. Let's do some choreography. But when I'm like, okay, it's about her mind, that means we take away everything else and let the thought process shine. So we had to get really, really specific and intentional about when she was going to come out of her shelf. But it was all about restraint.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, all supes do have, if I'm correct, they all have a little bit of extra strength and durability. Right.

[Susan Hayward]

Very little. For Sage, they made sure that it was just the regenerative powers for her brain, but neck down, not for her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So she got punched in the stomach. It was a rap.

[Monet X Change]

That's it.

[Susan Hayward]

That's what she had everybody else doing the battle.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, for her. Yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She pissed me off, though.

[Susan Hayward]

Good. What did she piss you off of? That I wanted to. I was so excited to play someone who. Who wasn't striving to be like, the moral center. If I told you how many times I got offered Tamika for the moral

[Monet X Change]

center of the moral center. Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Which I'm very grateful for. But I was ready to break it up.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, you did.

[Susan Hayward]

Thank you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Obviously, when she's. When she's. When she's causing drama with the protesters, I was like, this fucking bitch. Yes, yes, yes. Bitch. But honestly, I. I think black women should be allowed to be the bitch.

[Susan Hayward]

I agree. For sure.

[Monet X Change]

Absolutely.

[Susan Hayward]

We had to be the ma. The auntie. Hi, honey. Yes, we had to. I think we get put on the burden of everybody else, which, you know, we gladly take on. We can, but there's times when that needs to go and we need to flip tables over and burn some things

[Bob the Drag Queen]

down and throw slushies.

[Susan Hayward]

It was a coffee. It was a hot coffee. Right in his face. Fucking fascist.

[Monet X Change]

Did you throw it at.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Were you throwing it at a person? Were you throwing it off camera? Where were you actually throwing it at?

[Susan Hayward]

I was throwing it. I was trying to throw it off camera, but, you know, the hand goes where the eye goes. So I was trying to act with him and throw it that way. I didn't always make it. I absolutely hit him in the face with.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did a scene with this drag queen who was much shorter than me, and she had to throw a water in my face. But because she's so short, we did it, like, three times. And when I say it was going, like, I mean straight up. And we did it, like, three. Three or four times.

[Susan Hayward]

I mean, that's just gravity you can't really get around.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know, but I was. I was over here, like, fighting for my life. I was like, yo, this is. I cannot do this to anymore.

[Jacob]

You're.

[Monet X Change]

You're being waterboarded on set there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I will say this, too, to anyone who's acting out there, whatever you. Whatever you agree to just be. Bear in mind, if it's for film, you might have to do it upwards of 10 times.

[Monet X Change]

10 if you're lucky.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I was on Lucifer, and I. What's his name? Tom Ellis.

[Susan Hayward]

Good cat.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I thought, how cute it'd be if I pick up Tom Ellis and spin him in a circle, bitch. Which, by the way, that's fine. Me and Tom Ellis.

[Monet X Change]

Tom Ellis is a big man. He is big, yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

How tall is he?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's about 6, 3, 6 4. And I would say Tom Ellis is probably minimum 200 pounds.

[Monet X Change]

And you were in heels doing this?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was in full 6. 3. I was in full dragoons, full drag. So the first time, second time, third time. And then there's this thing. You ever wear, like, long hair?

[Susan Hayward]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When they. When they. When you have long hair, someone puts their hand on you.

[Monet X Change]

Always.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if you go back and watch me in Lucifer, by the take they use, my wig has slid so far

[Monet X Change]

back, and it's my favorite take of the show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I am so tired. I was spinning this big nigga around, like, motherfucking 12 times.

[Susan Hayward]

Anyway, you got your workout for the day.

[Monet X Change]

So, like, obviously, our world is descending into the most craziest fascism. What is it. What is it like to film a show that is. It feels like y' all are literally picking up plot points from the. Like, what is really happening out there in the world?

[Susan Hayward]

It felt great. Honestly. It felt cathartic. It felt like. Because I feel like it's easy to feel powerless when you see the way things are going. But when you study history, you realize there's a pattern. Fascism has a pattern. And when you're artists, you can say, hey, hey, get ready for this.

[Monet X Change]

Right?

[Susan Hayward]

Get ready for this. So it felt empowering to be able to tell a story that when people watch it, they recognize their world 100. And they can say, all right. Hopefully they feel empowered. That's the hope. They can say they're not. This impossible power that will never take down. It feels like it's impossible to take down Homelander at a Certain point. But it's not impossible.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did want. Sister says, you get at least one lick in my. I wanted everyone to get their lick in. Like I wanted to say.

[Susan Hayward]

But, you know, there's like. I was talking to one of the executives about this because I wanted. Mm. To get his lick in with Soulja Boy. I wanted that to be hella director direct. And she was like, you know, there's a certain point after you've healed, you really don't need it.

[Monet X Change]

No, I always need to get my last lick in.

[Susan Hayward]

Look at you, your face. You went, mm.

[Monet X Change]

I need to get my last lick in. After you've done, like, irreparable damage to me. I need to get at least one little.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ugh. Well, I think maybe what they're trying to show is that Butcher is not healed. He's not a healed person 100%.

[Monet X Change]

You know what I mean?

[Susan Hayward]

So if he was healed, he could go on and live his life. And there's been times when people have done me wrong and I've let it go, and then something bigger than me will come along and handle them in a way I never could.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And it's delicious. What I'm hearing is that if I pissed you off during this interview, we could still be friends down the line.

[Susan Hayward]

No, that's not what. You're not hearing that right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what I heard. So I'm gonna let it all rip.

[Susan Hayward]

That's what I want you in the morning, I'll be like, all right, you gonna get yours.

[Monet X Change]

If you could have played another character besides Sister Sage, which one would it have been?

[Susan Hayward]

I think Kimiko.

[Monet X Change]

Kimiko.

[Susan Hayward]

I love Kimiko. I love Karen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

It's the exact opposite, because Sage is all in her head. And Kimiko's such a powerful weapon. She can withstand anything. That kind of power. I would love to experience that.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, but the decision to just have her randomly start talking this last season, to me, was so strange. I'm like, we spent four seasons of her being on mute, and now she's just talking the whole time. And she's like, so. Which. I love that she's hypersexual. Live your life. But the talking seems so strange, like, such a strange choice.

[Susan Hayward]

Well, I feel like the comedy in the show is such a huge theme, and they're trying to always do something new, trying to surprise people. So I really feel like they were like, let's see what happens if we surprise people with this voice. And especially when a woman is finding her voice. Yeah, you gotta try out some things.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think she found her voice on Reddit or 4chan. I was like, kimiko.

[Susan Hayward]

She absolutely found her voice in the gutter.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is happening?

[Susan Hayward]

Watch out who you hang with.

[Monet X Change]

I'll say.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Last season, they were so vulgar. Like, somebody would be like, as I was wiping my dick off on your grandma's chin, I stuck my fist up her All American cunt. I was like, it was getting that.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, you went to the writers room. Now I'm so nostalgic for all American

[Bob the Drag Queen]

C. I will say, okay, who is the hottest guy on the boys character?

[Susan Hayward]

You trying to get me in trouble, Cuz I. Depends on what you're into, right?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I gotta say, I really. Okay. Physically speaking, just from a physical standpoint, I think that soldier boy was really hot. Soulja boy. He's a pretty attractive guy. I'm not really into butch guys like that. That's not really my vibe and my thing.

[Monet X Change]

So the least butch is probably the deep for you.

[Susan Hayward]

He's pretty. I had a pretty boy face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He is the cheekbones, and then he has the big eyes. Very, very pretty.

[Susan Hayward]

See, I feel like it's so subjective. It's all about what you're into.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. What you're into.

[Susan Hayward]

And the show gives you, like, a smorgasbord. Whatever you want, you got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's yours, Ma.

[Monet X Change]

Because of the New York of it all. And like, that rakakao. Mm.

[Susan Hayward]

Mm.

[Monet X Change]

Like, he is, like, that's somebody I could definitely been hooking up with in the wrong Tinobi.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet's into daddies. That's one nice thing.

[Monet X Change]

He's not a daddy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mm.

[Susan Hayward]

Mm.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, he's a daddy, but, like,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

do you watch the show Taymar? I know he has.

[Monet X Change]

He has a daughter.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Gather this bitch. Gather this bitch. Susan.

[Susan Hayward]

Parenting.

[Monet X Change]

But when you say dad, I think you mean more like, you know, like the sub queer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, he's an actual father.

[Monet X Change]

I know, but the sub queer group of, like, older, like, gray, like, daddy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Mm, no. Mm's definitely a daddy.

[Susan Hayward]

Silver fox. He's a daddy.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

He'll take care of you.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who is it for you? Is it deep for you?

[Susan Hayward]

I mean, I don't know my husband gonna watch this baby. Turn this off.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

This is not for you. This is not for you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is not for you.

[Susan Hayward]

This is for us. Mm. Is very fun.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm like, the youngest girl, and I have two older brothers, and I come from a big family, so I'm like, take care of me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that a train is hotter than MM's.

[Monet X Change]

Too skinny for me.

[Susan Hayward]

Into that.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, he's too skinny for me. I like mm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Has more weight on. Well, he got thick.

[Monet X Change]

Who? A train.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A train. When Homelander was like, you motherfucker, put down all this.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

That was just a moment.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that was a moment.

[Susan Hayward]

A blip for me. He was too much, like, slick. Like, ah, Right. When a man is like, really slick and into himself performing, I'm like, I don't know. I'm the star.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm the star. You can't. No, it's the star.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We've been having so much fun partnering with Airbnb. And honestly, it makes sense because we're always traveling, shows, gigs, filming. We're never in one place for long. And that's why Airbnb, it just works. You get more space, a kitchen, a living room. It actually feels like you can live here, not just lay your head down and sleep here.

[Monet X Change]

I stayed in this spot in Austin that had a full dining table and cozy living room, y'. All. It completely changed the vibe, girl. I could actually relax before the show and chill and luxuriate in my lovely Airbnb accommodation. Because Airbnb has millions of unique places to stay all over the world, so you can always find something that fits your vibe. When I went to London, when I went to Mexico, when I went to Australia. Oh, Australia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was that kangaroo in your yard?

[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Welcome back. What's your husband's name?

[Susan Hayward]

Andres.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Welcome back, Andres. Okay, I have to ask. Did you actually get to perform on stage with Cicely Tyson?

[Susan Hayward]

Yes, I did. I was an understudied.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I love that you knew what I was gonna say. I mean, you're like.

[Susan Hayward]

Because the proper response of getting on the same stage with Cicely Tyson is, did you, in fact, work with. I did. I got to understudy the Luminous Condola Rashad, who usually took the part, but when Condola couldn't do it, they called me and I got to step this woman. If y' all don't know who Cicely Tyson is, go do your work.

[Monet X Change]

Pause right now and go. Yes.

[Susan Hayward]

Well, maybe not right now.

[Monet X Change]

Right now, finish.

[Susan Hayward]

Finish and then go watch it. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cue up the next video.

[Susan Hayward]

She has an ability. Had. God rest her soul, had an ability just to think something and share it in such a specific way. You felt like you were with her, thinking with her. So I get on stage. I know my lines. I know my blocking. It was, you know, I was ready. And I look at her, and the whole world just disappears. And I just fall into her eyes, and I'm like, yeah, I'm just talking. Have a conversation with you. Oh. Oh. Hello, audience.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, thanks.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm so glad you enjoy the show. She's incredible at just taking the whole world and sharing it in a way that I'll have with me forever.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Being on stage with a good actor makes you a better actor.

[Susan Hayward]

100%.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So did you. Did you work with Stephen Spinella in Harry Potter?

[Susan Hayward]

Steven Spinella. Steven Spinella.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because, I don't know, older gentlemen, older gay guy, kind of skinny, kind of had like a. Like a new. Like a New York.

[Susan Hayward]

There was a. Thank you. Because Steven Spinella. That. No, not that Steven. I worked with a different Steven because

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know if. I don't know if y' all were in here.

[Monet X Change]

Part of the same.

[Susan Hayward]

No, we weren't there at the same time. No, there was a difference, Stephen, than the first.

[Monet X Change]

Because you were original.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah, well, all Broadway. On Broadway, not in London.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So. Steven Spinella. And I was in a play with him one time.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And he's. We were in Angels in America.

[Jacob]

Oh, this is the original Prior Angels in America.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And he won the Tony.

[Susan Hayward]

Yes, yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He won the Tony Rangers in America. And then he came back and played Roy Cohn.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which. Talk about a full circle. And he's one of those actors who's just so good. I'm telling you, I was a better actor. But also, if you're on the stage with a bad actor, you become a worse actor.

[Susan Hayward]

It's really tough. It's tough to, like, stay in the moment, stay present and stay honest.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Because when someone else is kind of lying, not lying, but when they're not getting to the truth of it, you to put on and, like, try to overcompensate. And I can make this truthful, which is not.

[Monet X Change]

It's not possible. I mean, so in doing the Cursed Child, I love that you played a Weasley.

[Susan Hayward]

I did play a Weasley.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

I do. I think about the connection with Hermione so much because it was such a big deal that they cast a black woman as Hermione. We had mother daughter moments. That's right. I was a Weasley.

[Monet X Change]

So in seeing how y' all did that on Broadway, like, there's this whole discourse where people have been like, we can't believe that they're making Snape black in the new HBO series.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Take a sip, take a sip, take a sip, take a sip, take a sip to the lip Take a sip, take a sip, take a sip But I think it's great.

[Monet X Change]

I think. I mean, there are a lot of undertones and things. Why Snapeship? There are whole story to it. But I think that having the Harry Potter cast be more inclusive. I think it's better. There's more for good than for bad.

[Susan Hayward]

How do you feel? I think a lot of the reason people hate Snape being black is the reason why Snape should be black. I think I've seen a few videos. They're like, well, it makes some characters racist. And it's like, yeah, we deal with racism all the time. There are very nice people who can be generous, who can be lovely, a lovely hang, and they're racist. So we gotta deal with it. So if a character you love is racist, let's talk about that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I always say it's like, this is my. This is my hot take. Which is like, if someone calls you a racist or someone points that you've done something racist, it does not mean that you're a bad person. It means you are a product of the world you live in.

[Susan Hayward]

You're part of the system. The Propaganda that you've been fed from being a child. And the thing is, it's possible to change it. I feel like there's this branding like you're a racist and you can never be anything else. Rather than saying, hey, you've learned something that's been taught to you and you can unlearn that you can do something different.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Different.

[Susan Hayward]

I think that's really important.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You said.

[Susan Hayward]

What did I say?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One of. One of the munchers I've had. She said, one of the munches I've had throughout my career. Is the goal to never play two similar characters back to back. So are we looking forward to you playing a dumb white woman in the next show?

[Susan Hayward]

Sometimes I do that just to survive in the world. Oh my God. Officer. I didn't know. I didn't know I couldn't go 80 miles an hour. I would love to do something that's not all in the head. I would love to do something that's deep in the heart, deep in the body, really sensual and available. Sage is so unavailable. I'd love to do something like really available next. But that's always been my guiding principle. Like the part I did before Sage. I was on hello Tomorrow on Apple plus tv. And that character, she was really bubbly, but she didn't have any good people in her life when she was young. So she learned how to manipulate just to get what she wanted. But she didn't know she was manipulating.

[Monet X Change]

Living.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. You, you've been. Okay. Can I just say Apple plus tv.

[Susan Hayward]

Yes, sir.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Netflix.

[Susan Hayward]

That's also true.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Amazon.

[Susan Hayward]

I was there.

[Monet X Change]

Broadway.

[Susan Hayward]

Indeed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A short lived career on PlayStation plus early streaming days.

[Susan Hayward]

Early streaming days.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, wait, What?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't.

[Monet X Change]

PlayStation Plus.

[Susan Hayward]

That was Powers.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, the Powers.

[Susan Hayward]

Another comic book inspired series that was trying to do something. I think that boys, the boys really, they really nailed it. We were a little bit too early. Got it in that

[Bob the Drag Queen]

when I found out you was on, I was like PlayStation had a streaming platform.

[Susan Hayward]

It was their first original. Original series. They were trying to get in the game.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you did all these. Obviously your career is vast when you first moved to New York City. Because we all lived in New York City. I was born there. Bob moved in New York at the same time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was 2008 to 2020.

[Monet X Change]

I was 22,000 to 2020.

[Susan Hayward]

21, 2005.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So. So there was a period of time we were all up in there together. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

There. There is some cosmic plan that maybe

[Bob the Drag Queen]

we were all on one corner at

[Monet X Change]

the same CBS at one day Stuff that has happened.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One time, I was. I was driving in a van, like a production van, to go rehearse. And I'm. I'm telling y', all, I'm not kidding.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, God, here we go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I swear. And I have people who can vouch they saw it, too. Every single Jonas bro. No, all of them, even the ones who don't perform, were standing on the corner eating ice cream near the west side Highway.

[Susan Hayward]

So this sounds like a fever dream.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I was like. I remember being like. Is that. I remember being like, you know what? You know what? First of all, my partner does this. No shade, Jacob. When you try to get someone to look at something, but they're not looking in time, you're like, look, you're missing it. And then it's gone. And then they look up five minutes later, like, you missed it. But luckily, the person next to me, they didn't look. But then the one behind was like, look. I was like, is that literally every single Jonas brother standing on the corner?

[Monet X Change]

I think the big question is, why do you know what they all look like?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because you know, the ones, the ones that you recognize, you immediately recognize.

[Monet X Change]

I think I could probably clearly recognize one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Really?

[Susan Hayward]

The one married.

[Monet X Change]

The one that's married to Priyanka Chopra.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, the Jonas Brothers are. The Jonas Brothers are incredibly famous. Why would I not know what a Jonas Brother looks like?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It reminds me when I was. When I was talking to someone, I was singing some song, and someone goes, how do you know that song? I was like, it was the number one song in the country. What do you mean, how do I know? The Jonas Brothers are like. They're the Jonas Brothers.

[Susan Hayward]

But, like, some cultural things are annoying.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did not listen to the Jonas Brothers, but I know what they look like, Bob.

[Monet X Change]

We think you did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think.

[Monet X Change]

We think you're lying.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know. I know.

[Susan Hayward]

Beautiful.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know.

[Susan Hayward]

You know what? I know what they look like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Beautiful.

[Monet X Change]

That's not them.

[Jacob]

Can you name them?

[Monet X Change]

Not the Jonas Brothers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is Jonas Brothers.

[Monet X Change]

That's what makes you beautiful.

[Jacob]

That's One Direction.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't listen to them.

[Monet X Change]

So I think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think you saw the members of One Direction. I don't listen to John's brother, but I know what they look like. Cause they were plastered all over my fucking tv. And it was four or five of them on the corner. And I said, four or five?

[Monet X Change]

That was one directional.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There were five white guys, and three of them were these three. And then I said, is that all the Jonas. And then Someone said, oh, and that's the bonus Jonas.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay. So you learned in the moment that it was all the Jonas.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. So what I say, what I'm saying is there's a world where we could have all been on the corner of the ice cream.

[Susan Hayward]

It's possible.

[Monet X Change]

What were. I worked at a hotel. Bob worked at J Club. What were some of your survival jobs before you became the star that you are?

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, thank you so much. I worked as a lighting tech. Oh. For an off. Off. Off Off Broadway show that I had auditioned for and didn't get the part.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Work. We love to see.

[Susan Hayward]

My best friend got the part. And I was like, but do y' all need anybody else? Do you? No, no, no. Not bitch. My in.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, there it is.

[Susan Hayward]

My in.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Inside job, cuz.

[Susan Hayward]

Your girl needs a job.

[Monet X Change]

There were.

[Susan Hayward]

I remember that was in the fall, and we would end that show together, and both of us would run to a haunted house that was in the Lower east side. And we would each be in a different room of haunted house. That was our second job. And I was in the Tundra room. They had built a room inside a room. Put like, many, many air conditioners to make it feel cold. And they had built, like, a lake scene. And I would crawl under the lake, and as customers were walking across it, I would come up from underneath and be like, I'm frozen, darling. I'm frozen. And yikes, please come save me. And the amount of dicks and vaginas I saw.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, God.

[Susan Hayward]

As the night went on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do they still have openings? Just wondering if I can work here. Seems like a good job.

[Susan Hayward]

It paid the bills.

[Monet X Change]

That is honest. That's a cool job. I'll be into that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, sounds great.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm like, 8pm I'm into it at 1am1am after people got a little drinks in them.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, you just trigger someone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Someone's gonna be like, oh, my God, sister Sage saw my pussy.

[Susan Hayward]

Yes, I did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Someone like. I remember that.

[Susan Hayward]

And they all thought they were geniuses. It's like, no one's ever done this.

[Monet X Change]

Right. Right on the job. Well, you love horror. What is. What is your. What is your number one favorite horror movie? I'll say mine, Which I. I thought it was amazing. And I watched it recently, like four years ago, and I was like, dang, this is not what I thought it was.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Sometimes I have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so your favorites are not your favorite. What is it? I still.

[Monet X Change]

Because it brings back fondness.

[Susan Hayward]

It's nostalgic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[Monet X Change]

Say it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is getting Crazy.

[Susan Hayward]

This is a horror movie right now.

[Monet X Change]

Literally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Say it. This is what I deal with. This is what I deal with.

[Susan Hayward]

What is it?

[Monet X Change]

The Strangers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't like it.

[Monet X Change]

At first it was good. When you older watching, I was like, oh, that's not what I thought it was for me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna go ahead and say right now, for me, the best horror movie of all time. It is a bit of a basic ass bitch answer, but it's just a fucking good movie. Is the conjuring. The conjuring is okay. You know what it is when spoiler. This whole episode's full of spoilers. We'll do a spoiler for the top episode later. Later. When those hands come down and over the shoulder.

[Monet X Change]

That is good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what's still different for me. That, like, that movie is just so clever.

[Susan Hayward]

It's a moment.

[Monet X Change]

It's a moment.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's yours?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I can't wait.

[Susan Hayward]

I think the Hills have Eyes.

[Monet X Change]

The Hills have Eyes is good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've not seen the Hills have Eyes.

[Susan Hayward]

Disgusting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I gotta see it.

[Monet X Change]

That's a good one.

[Susan Hayward]

Depraved. It's disgusting. I think the psyche of people, like humanity, psyche is the scariest thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you done a horror movie?

[Susan Hayward]

No, I haven't done a horror movie. It.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you want to be running or do you want to be killing in the horror movie?

[Monet X Change]

Killing.

[Susan Hayward]

I feel like generations of rage live in me. And I think part of what I do, why I'm attracted to this work is because there's an outlet for really expressing it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can I ask a really lame question? So you're working through the. Thank you. You're working through the. How are we doing the Stab? Okay. Like when we do the Stab.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How are we actually doing the stab to the eye?

[Susan Hayward]

That's not lame at all. That took a team of people, props and special effect and makeup to get. When are we gonna do the blood? That was not lame at all. It was fun. Basically. We had the. Hi. We had the prop and then we paused it. We stopped everything and then switched it out and. And let special effects add something that didn't have the point so that it could get closer to my eye. So it was very technical, it was very calm, and it took a huge team of people, I'm sure.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I mean, but I mean, like, you

[Bob the Drag Queen]

know, I was one. I was like, how are they doing that? I always want to know.

[Susan Hayward]

Very step by step.

[Monet X Change]

Well, in this of, like, you see incidents happening on set, I'm sure you're like, the production's, like, we're gonna be super true, super careful to make sure that there's no room for. No margin of error.

[Susan Hayward]

No, because I only get two.

[Monet X Change]

You only get two of them.

[Susan Hayward]

There's no replacement.

[Monet X Change]

You get two takes

[Susan Hayward]

coming. Like Laurence Fishburne on what's Love Got To Do With It.

[Monet X Change]

You get two of these, you get

[Bob the Drag Queen]

two, you get two.

[Susan Hayward]

That's one of my favorite stories, that rape scene. He told them how many takes he had, and they got what they needed.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, really? Oh, I didn't know that.

[Susan Hayward]

I mean, I might be spreading a rumor, but that's what I heard.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think there's a world where Sister Sage is kind of like Skyler. Am I saying the name right? Zachary Quinto, from Zachary Quinto's character from Heroes. Because is there a world where Sister Sage could. So the way that syllar worked, he would open up your head, see how your powers work, and then he would have your power. And I'm wondering, is there a world where Sister Sage could get up in the brain, see what's going on, and manipulate her own DNA to have some of those powers? You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Maybe.

[Susan Hayward]

I. I like that. I think there's a world where it exists. Eric talked a lot about having Sage be a parallel of our world. And there's so many ways in which women, especially black women, are held back. Like, we have so much power, and there's all of these structures that keep us from having total power. Power. So I think that might, like, have rushed up against that limitation that made Sage interesting. And I also think in her life, powers haven't necessarily brought good things. I feel like people thought she might be ambitious for more, but she's actually not. She's been ambitious to be left alone, left in peace, and just be someone who people don't need all the time. So I feel like the. The ambition under that, I'm not sure she has.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, she obviously knew what she was doing. I mean, I think my fan theory. She could have made V1 if she wanted to.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If she wanted to, she could have made it.

[Susan Hayward]

Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think that she knew when she gave it to that one soup, it was going to come out of his ass. She.

[Monet X Change]

She knew.

[Susan Hayward]

Let's go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean?

[Susan Hayward]

I think she quiet Quit. Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, 100.

[Susan Hayward]

As soon as the homelander started talking about, oh, forever, we can do forever, I was like, oh, that's. Look at the time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Oh, my God. I get, you know, no text on overtime.

[Monet X Change]

See what you just said, like, I think what you said is so beautiful because you kind of see, like, when she finally gets. When they take her power and she this. The look on her face when she finally hears silence. I think that it was one of my favorite moments of that season. Because you see her like, you see this woman who's been struggling with this thing of constantly thinking and hearing people's thoughts. You see her have. I was wondering, I was like, feeling what it feels like to have a moment of actual peace. And I can only imagine that that's what her brain was like. Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're gonna dive deeper into that after this break.

[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, we are back. Yeah, I mean, I. Do you have any ADHD or anything?

[Susan Hayward]

Of course.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cold.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah. No, no, no, no. I'm trying to be like, classy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, get the views up. No, bring the views up, please, please. We are trying to get our sapphic viewers to get a chunk of thigh because there's no straight guys watching this. Besides on. Andres.

[Monet X Change]

Andres.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, you hear the Tiffany?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

Andres, honey, I'm an opera singer. I try to teach her some opera singer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said Andres. What did I say?

[Monet X Change]

It's Andreas.

[Susan Hayward]

So sometimes Andreas, another vowel slips in there.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Andres. Don't ever touch me again.

[Monet X Change]

Don't ever touch me again.

[Susan Hayward]

He was all right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So out of all the stuff that you're doing in this world, are there any actors that you were like, I want to be on screen or on stage with this person? So many, you know, besides us, obviously.

[Susan Hayward]

I mean, technically, I made it. This is true. I'm here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is true.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, gosh. Delroy Lindo.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Susan Hayward]

Dreamy.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Michael B. Jordan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What?

[Monet X Change]

Okay, what role will Delroy be playing for you? Is he playing, like, the villain in your story? Is he playing your dad? Is he playing your. Like, your dad? Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Paul. Paul.

[Susan Hayward]

Paul.

[Monet X Change]

Paul.

[Susan Hayward]

Hey, Paul.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Or my boss.

[Monet X Change]

Your boss?

[Susan Hayward]

Or my boss.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Or mentor. Oh, yeah. Hold on. I don't have to write this one. Yeah. And I think Taraji P. Henson as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's so good.

[Susan Hayward]

She's electric.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do the line. Say it. Chicken. Coffee from a pot.

[Monet X Change]

Hidden figures. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do it.

[Monet X Change]

Do it.

[Susan Hayward]

Come on. He's a singer. To protect your voice, you know? Gotta warm up first.

[Monet X Change]

We did karaoke in my house the other day, like, two days ago. And Bob loves karaoke, and I'm telling you. And Bob is in my house screaming for three, four hours. I think it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I sang Superstar by Luther Vandross in the original key.

[Susan Hayward]

Listen, show the people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Honey.

[Monet X Change]

What is your karaoke song?

[Susan Hayward]

Ooh, I'm afraid of karaoke. I love to watch other people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm terrified you won't do it. It.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah, I don't. I promise I'm gonna do it. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna sign up. Let me just get some drinks, and

[Bob the Drag Queen]

then I do it. Next time in town, we're karaoke in Monet's garage.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So, yeah, it's fun. Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

Do you have, like, neighbors close, though? No, I think part of it, I get in my brain and I'm like, I don't want to make too much noise. And, like, no, no, we're all good.

[Monet X Change]

Trust. We're good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would say something I learned about New York City is like, you. You don't. I don't care how loud your neighbors are. You don't say anything.

[Monet X Change]

No, you don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't. If someone's stomping upstairs, you let it go.

[Monet X Change]

If someone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, there's a line.

[Monet X Change]

There's a line.

[Susan Hayward]

Maybe not say anything, but you take your broom and you.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

You make your piece. You make.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but you don't knock on the door and say anything. You just kind of let them.

[Jacob]

You.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no.

[Susan Hayward]

I've had the. Hey, I'm so, so sorry. But I know you have cats, and they run and do the Zoomies in the middle of the night, so can you do that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Even cat. Cats are getting you to knock on

[Susan Hayward]

the door, depending on the neighbor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A tiny little cat.

[Susan Hayward]

And I'm like, but I have them. I. I can't.

[Monet X Change]

Susan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I used to live beneath the cast of 42nd street, and they would be upset.

[Monet X Change]

Did you really?

[Susan Hayward]

And you said nothing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said they got to rehearse. I mean, I don't know, but it sounded like the cast of 42nd Street. I know that. I was like, damn these up. They gonna get that open number together, honey.

[Susan Hayward]

No, no. Some people then want to make their piece hurt. They're like, not that people will talk.

[Monet X Change]

I want to touch on Orange is a New Black.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

And you play this character, Tamika, who to. What you were saying earlier is like, this. This woman who. She did not. She was not a sister Sage. She was kind of, like, keeping the whole thing together. We were playing this, like, strong, supportive character. What are your favorite memories of being on Arjun's New Lock?

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, God. Well, Danielle.

[Monet X Change]

Danielle. It was. Because it was her breakout.

[Susan Hayward]

Yes, it was her breakout role. And by the time I had joined the cast, I think it was like, season two. No, no, no, farther.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was it six and seven?

[Susan Hayward]

About six and seven.

[Monet X Change]

Was it?

[Susan Hayward]

Yes, truly. So she has.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's in the notes.

[Susan Hayward]

She's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not on the notes.

[Susan Hayward]

She's such a professional, and that set was her home when I got there. So to get on set as a guest and watch her host, know her crew, know the directors, know the actors, and know her character so well and see her play and craft that character. Danielle was a huge, huge highlight.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Hi.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that show was so revolutionary.

[Monet X Change]

I sure was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Fun fact. I used to work at Lucky China with Laverne Cox.

[Susan Hayward]

Shut up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. She was my co worker. She tells everyone that she was a waiter. She was actually. She was the lap dance girl. I don't think I should tell her, but she goes, I was a waiter. She used to do lap dances.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway. That's another point.

[Susan Hayward]

She made the people wait for her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Exactly.

[Susan Hayward]

It's different kinds of waiting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Laverne Cox, like, disappeared. She disappeared for, like.

[Monet X Change]

That's good. Thank you.

[Susan Hayward]

I tried.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was great.

[Monet X Change]

That was great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For a few months, she was gone, and we were like, girl, where'd you go? And then she was like, oh, I did. I did this web. I did this web series.

[Susan Hayward]

She called it a web series.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did this web series.

[Susan Hayward]

What it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did this web series, and then she. And then she came right back to Lucky Changs, and she was working, and then one day I get off the train and I see a. A poster in the subway, and it's Laverne Cox in, like, a bathroom stall with all these things. I was like, laverne, you're on a Netflix show. Cuz I think Netflix only had two shows. House of Cards and. And Orange is the New Black.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, because they just. Because they just started streaming. Streaming was, like, a big thing. Nobody knew what it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's on the Internet. It's a web show. I was like, laverne, this is not a web show. No, no, this is not a fucking web series. This is. And what's the guy. American Pie guy was in it.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Jason Biggs.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, that's right.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. In the very beginning.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah, that's right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He was like. He was like the big get. And then I think it was in, like. He wasn't in that long.

[Monet X Change]

He wasn't.

[Susan Hayward]

He wasn't. No, no. It's about the ladies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, they use him to draw people in.

[Susan Hayward]

Exactly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, Laverne Cox drew me in. I was like, let me watch my friend. Let me watch my. Let me go support my friend on her little show.

[Susan Hayward]

Show. You know, you're generous, but you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, the fact that you got of so many, like, absolutely massive franchises.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah, but I love. I love the heightened world. Like, I'm a theater nerd. So I started out doing Shakespeare and all these, like, classical favorite Shakespeare boy. Ooh. Romeo and Juliet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

The poetry is just, oh, God, I swim whenever I hear it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But much you do is.

[Susan Hayward]

Much you do is perfect. It is a perfect is a perfect.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's the reason why it's the most produced play in the world.

[Susan Hayward]

It's perfect.

[Monet X Change]

Much to do about nothing.

[Susan Hayward]

Much to do about nothing.

[Monet X Change]

And that's shaker spear.

[Susan Hayward]

It is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's Shakespeare.

[Susan Hayward]

It is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It sounds like it's really.

[Monet X Change]

It is.

[Susan Hayward]

It's one of his comedies. One of his most popular comedies.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, is it in iambic pentameter?

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, no, I think that was in prose. I think that was in prose.

[Monet X Change]

See? Okay. It's ignorant of me. I'm not a theater kid. I thought all Shake a spear was Shake the spear. I thought it was all iambic pentameter.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have the complete work Shakespeare over there somewhere.

[Monet X Change]

I thought they were. I thought all of his plays were Iamb pentameter.

[Susan Hayward]

No, not all.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's your favorite Shakespeare character.

[Susan Hayward]

There's so many.

[Monet X Change]

Mine is Grizabella.

[Susan Hayward]

No, I think. Okay, okay. Nerd. There's a mother who goes through, like, so many tragedies, and I'm blanking on her name right now, but she has a monologue that's just a stream of curses to the person who has hurt her the most. And the language is so, like, visceral and, and athletic. And I just, just, I practice on those.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who is Lady Macbeth, really? With the way Lady Macbeth goes up to. No, no, sorry. Lady McDuff.

[Susan Hayward]

Lady McDuff. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The way she goes up to Lady McDuff.

[Monet X Change]

Queen Margaret was the one you're talking about.

[Susan Hayward]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The way she goes to McDuff, and she's like. She's like, you're not. She's like, you're not a man. No, it was, it was. No, not. Or was it Duncan? No, Duncan's wife.

[Susan Hayward]

What does she say? And then I'll tell you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's the one who convinces. She's. She's not even Beth.

[Susan Hayward]

It's not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's like, she's like. She's like, you were not a.

[Susan Hayward]

No, no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's like, honey, if you were a

[Susan Hayward]

man, you would have done it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you, if you man, you go kill Duncan right now. Right now.

[Monet X Change]

Is this monologue that Plasma did on Kelly Manson's podcast?

[Jacob]

No, she did, I think something from the Tame of the Shrew.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, that's actually sexy, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But she basically. It's crazy to me that you sitting here letting this man walk around with the things that you supposed to have. We sitting here living in squad.

[Susan Hayward]

You're supposed to have the crown, and you're supposed to go get it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Look at this raggedy ass clothes you got on. Look what I'm wearing. You think this way befits me. If you was a real, real man. But you're. But you know what? Maybe, Maybe you're not a real man.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, just mind games.

[Monet X Change]

You see, I need somebody to rewrite Shakespeare like that, then I can get into it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if you think, if you think hard enough about it, in my opinion, Little Shop is Shakespeare.

[Susan Hayward]

Talk to me.

[Monet X Change]

Little Shop of Horrors.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Little Shop of Horrors is Shakespeare. Hear me out. The three urchins, they're actually not the witches. They are Lady Macbeth. They are the ones who are constantly getting Seymour. They're like, egging him on in his ear, saying crazy stuff.

[Monet X Change]

Up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Get up. Two things. Mushnik is Duncan. Seymour is Macbeth.

[Susan Hayward]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Audrey. I, I, I, I wrote this. This was one of my.

[Susan Hayward]

Is this a thesis?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This an essay I wrote my freshman year of college. I have to go dig it up out of. Off of. Off of a floppy disk somewhere. That's when I went to college. I used to. I heard my work. Yes, we did.

[Susan Hayward]

It worked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I sure did. Okay, we have to do some. Something very fun. It's one of our favorite segments here. It is time for our random power.

[Monet X Change]

No, no, that's at the end. We get to do the acting challenge first. Yeah, well, this is sibling rivalry. Bob and I are constantly competing about things and I often beat him.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, we don't do that. Sibling lovery.

[Monet X Change]

So we. We've seen the viral TikTok thing where you say the three. Okay, so take him.

[Susan Hayward]

Jump in. Jump in.

[Jacob]

You're gonna say, oh, wow. And I'm gonna give you five different scenarios and you're going to change how you say oh, wow if you were in.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So we're all doing it. Are we doing it?

[Monet X Change]

I think we do it.

[Jacob]

I think you're all going to go through it.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

Sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. But. Because if it's competition, I don't want Monet here for mine because she goes.

[Susan Hayward]

I don't think it's a competition.

[Jacob]

I think this is for fun.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Competition is fun.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thank you.

[Monet X Change]

Can we just be happy?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Me and Susan want to compete. Let's go. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Let's do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Knuckle crack is crazy.

[Monet X Change]

Literally a theater trained. We're gonna.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Me too, nigga.

[Susan Hayward]

The fuck us. We strains over here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think I studied at YouTube University. I don't have as many accolades.

[Susan Hayward]

No, you just have your studio. You have your empire. A mogul.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so we're gonna say oh, wow. Is it oh, wow?

[Jacob]

Oh, wow.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we're all gonna do it in one. Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

Memorize my line.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's our first. Our first one.

[Jacob]

The first scenario is after years and years of training, you have finally been accepted into the seven.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right. Oh, j. I mean, not Jenko. What's your name?

[Monet X Change]

Mon. After years.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, wow.

[Susan Hayward]

So Starlight.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, here we go.

[Susan Hayward]

I didn't know you was cast. Starlight.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Years of training.

[Susan Hayward]

Years of training.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What was my letter? Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

[Susan Hayward]

Header.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

Snail mail. Okay. Well, you get a prop. I get a prop, too. So I'm going to open my email. You know, like all those college videos

[Monet X Change]

I. I got my telepathically. Just. I got mine.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay. Oh, wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, wow.

[Monet X Change]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it's safe to say me and Susan afat.

[Susan Hayward]

I think. I think I Probably blew out the mic. I'm so sorry.

[Monet X Change]

No, that's great.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm so sorry. For whoever has headphones back there.

[Jacob]

The next one you've heard. You just heard Translucent died. But you were the one who killed him.

[Monet X Change]

Oh. Translucent was the one that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The one that explosion up the ass.

[Monet X Change]

Your. You go first now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay. Yeah. I was feeling this order shift.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Okay. I just heard Translucent die. Here we go. Oh, wow.

[Susan Hayward]

Disturbed.

[Monet X Change]

Wait. Translucent was the son or the dad?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Translucent is the dad who died. Season one with the. In. In the pawn shop or the electric shop ring.

[Monet X Change]

Right? Okay. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right.

[Monet X Change]

So I'm happy that he died.

[Jacob]

No, you killed him. You killed him. And you've heard somebody else has told you.

[Monet X Change]

Like, he's right. Okay, okay.

[Susan Hayward]

I'll switch it up. Switch it up. Okay. All right, tell me. Tell me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right. Did Translucent just died. Oh, wow. That was pretty good.

[Susan Hayward]

Thank you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's pretty good.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm not catching nobody. Nobody's catching me.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Okay. You can read the news.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Did you hear Translucent just died.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Work.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're killing you immediately. We're killing you. We're killing you immediately.

[Susan Hayward]

Handcuffs. Who's gonna throw handcuffs? That you Put them on. Just put them on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're going to prison right now. You're a murderer.

[Susan Hayward]

Not covering your face.

[Monet X Change]

Damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

See? But it's a Black Traders. It's a double bluff. I do that so people think I'm good because I'm not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's crazy.

[Susan Hayward]

How. How does that work out?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You playing with prison?

[Susan Hayward]

Play with prison if you want to.

[Jacob]

Firecracker has just pitched her parade float idea to you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. And what am I? Am I. Am I a bot type? Okay, this is important. Am I one of the boys or am I a V?

[Susan Hayward]

Character development. You're a vault executive.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Can. Okay, can we pick if we're a vault or a liberal or consultant? Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. So who are you? Actually, Susan. You guys are.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay, okay. I'm up. So I'm a VOD executive.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

And Firecracker tells me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, wait. My plan is to have a whole big float and there's firecrackers all around it. And right when we get to the end of the parade, I'm gonna light up one. They're all gonna fly into the sky.

[Susan Hayward]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is good.

[Monet X Change]

That is good. That's good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's good. You'll give the line to moan.

[Monet X Change]

Then they'll give. I am. I am a not. I'm Like a mother's milk. I'm one of the. I'm anti firecracker.

[Susan Hayward]

Anti firecracker. You hate her. Okay, well, we're going to show y'. All. We are going to do a parade, and our float's going to be the very best one.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow.

[Susan Hayward]

The distinction.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's your best one? Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

That's fabulous.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's your best one yet. I'm.

[Susan Hayward]

I felt disrespectful.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I am a home lender type. I have a lot of disdain for this woman, but she does let me suck her titty milk.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay, that's true.

[Monet X Change]

So what? I'm firecracker. I'm a firecracker. So as a firecracker, we're having a cracker float, and we're gonna have firecrackers burst from the air, and they're gonna go into the. Into mother's milk, asshole. And explode like the Fourth of July.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, wow.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, there it is. There it is. I felt something brewing when he killed

[Monet X Change]

her with just a head to the thing.

[Susan Hayward]

So good.

[Monet X Change]

I gagged. I knew she was gonna die. I knew she was not gonna make it to the end.

[Susan Hayward]

But that, like, the visual medium.

[Monet X Change]

The visual medium.

[Susan Hayward]

And then for her eyes to, like, she was stuck here. And then her eyes went and looked at him.

[Monet X Change]

That was such. It was so good.

[Jacob]

Have you played Detroit, Become human.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Human?

[Monet X Change]

What the hell?

[Jacob]

You gotta play Detroit to become human.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay. Yes, I will.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Jacob]

It's like an interactive movie. Valerie Curry is, like, in it. She's incredible. It's great. It's like an interactive movie. You can, like, choose.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Where do you watch it?

[Jacob]

It's a video game. Sorry. It's a video game, but it's like an interactive movie, so you choose the scenarios, and there are hundreds of different endings and outcomes depending on the choices you make. It's about robots who've gained consciousness trying to. But Valerie's in it. She's incredible.

[Susan Hayward]

She's incredible. I. Iconic. What did you call it?

[Jacob]

Detroit, Become human.

[Susan Hayward]

No, you said it's a video game. And then you said something.

[Jacob]

Oh, it is a interactive video game that is more like a movie than actually a video.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah, the movie threw me off. I was like, wait, I thought that was a video game.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's all I want to say. It was about. Oh, about Firecracker. You know, I was really. One of my favorite things about movies is when it actually. Or TV shows when it actually doesn't give you what you want.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, we get irritated when characters don't Give us what we want. But I think it's important that you can't get everything you want from every single character. And I, obviously, I didn't. I wanted. I'm not religious at all, but I really wanted firecrackers, religious experience to get her to be like, no, this is bullshit.

[Susan Hayward]

You wanted to give her boundaries.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I wanted her to be like, this is fudgeing bullshit. This is crazy. So I was a little bit. But. But it did show the. The power of how. How intimidating Homelander can be that she turned on her Lord and savior. I was like, oh, Lord, even her.

[Susan Hayward]

And I feel like that's what fascism does. Fascism will look at you and say, what's that thing you hold really dear?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, mine.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah, in favor of me. That's what it does to us.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're watching it in the world. We're watching people. Like, I've always said, if Jesus was on the ballot, conservatives wouldn't vote for him.

[Susan Hayward]

Absolutely not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Conservatives would never vote for Jesus.

[Susan Hayward]

Crucify him again.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He be like, first of all, all this is free.

[Susan Hayward]

And they be like, you're brown.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, go. He'd be like, all is free. We don't like. We don't. With the rich. And they'd be like, we don't like this brown guy. We got to kill him, y'.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We going to have to kill Jesus, y'.

[Monet X Change]

All.

[Susan Hayward]

Why? They Southern Christians are always Southern. When people go to Christians, they're always Southern.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it's because I'm Southern and the Christians I knew grew up.

[Monet X Change]

No, but that, like, firecracker.

[Susan Hayward]

Like, there's a thing about, like, putting Christian Christianity specifically.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, they always, like, lean.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's because of these famous evangelical pastors we see online. Oh, yeah, Like Joel Olsteen.

[Monet X Change]

Joel Megapascals. The lady. The lady that. The lady that in Pandemic, she was, like, with the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Trump's spiritual advisor.

[Monet X Change]

The short. With the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

With the short blonde Habasa Naba angels from. No.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, wait, we gotta do. This is one of our favorite segments on this show. We do it too many times because Bob is obsessed with, like, three times Bob. Like, seven.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway, we go through this website called the Superpower Generator. And in random.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's the name of the website.

[Monet X Change]

What is it called?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's random.

[Jacob]

Oh, I just Google random superpowers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rangan Co Char. Power generation.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway, it randomly generates. It will randomly generate three powers for you. And then we see, well, two or three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sometimes it does two.

[Jacob]

We can choose how many we want.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, got it.

[Monet X Change]

I think three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So we're gonna all. We're gonna. We're gonna find out what our powers are and then we are all going to basically larp our powers and see who's gonna win.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's going first? Jacob. All right. Okay, so your first power is magical. You have animal manipulation. You can remotely control thoughts and or actions. Oh, my God. You're not. Not the deep.

[Susan Hayward]

You know, humans are animals, so.

[Monet X Change]

Oh,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

you have trans. This also gives you this all one power. Transmutation spell. Transform an item into another item.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then you can summon. You about to kick our asses.

[Monet X Change]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Summoner. Use spells to summon butterflies.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay?

[Monet X Change]

Specifically butterflies.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay, that last word changed changed a lot for me.

[Monet X Change]

Butterflies is so not the Asia o'.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hara.

[Monet X Change]

That was for the super fans.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, Type two, you are supernatural spirit medium.

[Monet X Change]

Okay? You can commune with and be all your powers. Yeah, you can commune with and be possessed by spirits and otherworldly entities. And three, you're super skilled. You have super evasion. Easily dodge and avoid incoming attacks. And two, perfect aim. You never miss a target.

[Susan Hayward]

Blue means you wanna.

[Monet X Change]

Honestly, that's pretty good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Just do a new tab so we can refer back. Oh, well, if you just do a new tab.

[Monet X Change]

Because we can.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because otherwise it might be a lot to remember all this.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, maybe we should have did some.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm just all powerful.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, the first one alone, the magical is great.

[Susan Hayward]

It's like bullet point power.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, listen, the rock paper scene is who it is between.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

1, 2, 3, go.

[Monet X Change]

1, 2, 3, Go. 1, 2, 3, GO. 1, 2, 3, G. Easy.

[Susan Hayward]

Beautiful.

[Monet X Change]

So it's you or me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'll let you go.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, generous.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sweet.

[Monet X Change]

I'm sorry, he's lazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. Monet is also magical. Monet is a wizard. Skillfully use magic in a variety of ways. That's vague, honey. That's vague.

[Monet X Change]

I have telekinesis. Move objects with the power of of my mind. The first one. I'm the master of disguise. Yes, I am.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh.

[Monet X Change]

Easily disguise the user's identity via makeup clothing. So I'm a drag queen.

[Susan Hayward]

This is the autobiography now.

[Monet X Change]

And three, I'm the Beastmaster. Wild voice. Perfectly imitate the sound of an animal.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, you ready to get cooked?

[Susan Hayward]

No, but like, what's the voice of a butterfly?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, and then she'll control you.

[Susan Hayward]

Exactly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She summons them. All right. And now it's time for big waggedy ass powers. Big Bobby wag.

[Monet X Change]

Raggedy your raggedy ass vows.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What you got? Okay. Super powered thunderclap.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, you already have that. You already talked about it.

[Susan Hayward]

Beautiful.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thunderclap. Create large shock waves by clap.

[Monet X Change]

You already knew that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ready? Okay. And then we have. Y' all are cooked.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, sorry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, shit. Y' all are cooked. Now you have the time stone. Time manipulation. Forward rewind and stop time at will.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, that's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm sorry to tell y'.

[Monet X Change]

All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Y' all are so cooked.

[Susan Hayward]

So vulnerable.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Multi presses exist in multiple locations at once. Y' all do not stand in.

[Monet X Change]

So you're living in the fourth dimension. You can control yourself and space the time. That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then sand. Control sand. You laugh until sand can rip through you. Honey. Manipulate existing sand. Grow, shrink and move. I cannot create Sam, but I can turn sand to the size of a boulder and drop it on you.

[Susan Hayward]

I think maybe for the sake of

[Bob the Drag Queen]

this, we should reroll. Oh, ain't no rerolling. I'm about to dust these. Literally, I'm about to dust these.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, in all fairness, I think y' all two on the same team.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay? Yes. Against you.

[Monet X Change]

Against you.

[Susan Hayward]

Thank you. Let's do this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so where, Jacob, where are we? And don't say a room with no sand.

[Susan Hayward]

But don't say the beach either, please.

[Monet X Change]

A random place generator. Where the hell is Croto? Italy.

[Susan Hayward]

Is that all?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's a lot of sand, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

No, there's no sand.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's a mountain.

[Monet X Change]

There's no sand.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay, no sand for you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, first of all, I carry. First of all, when I tell you I carry a pocket full of sand everywhere I go.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God.

[Susan Hayward]

This is a pocket. That's okay, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lamplighter.

[Monet X Change]

What's his name?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lamplighter. He carries flame.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay, that's okay. I can have an animal take this.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, can you go back to Susan's powers? I want to remember something because I how we can team up. Okay, we're both mag, so that's nice. And I had telekinesis, so you. Can someone make you a little bolder? I'm taking your sand and I'm gonna help manipulate the sand with my magic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now how? Wait, when you say manipulate the powers, how you just move stuff.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, y' all are in one of these little huts in Croto.

[Monet X Change]

And also I have super evasions. Evasions, baby. She's evading anything you do.

[Susan Hayward]

Super evading anything you toss at me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, y' all are in one of these little huts in Croto. Uh huh. We're in the room and then I walk up, I'm riding on a Sand wave into.

[Susan Hayward]

How big is this little pocketbook? Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But the rocks can grow, remember? I can manipulate the size of them so they're all. Actually, I have two pieces of sand, one under each foot.

[Susan Hayward]

And I am just skating, just skating.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I am going through the sky, and boom. Y' all feel it hits the ground so hard a picture falls off the wall.

[Susan Hayward]

But we knew we were ready for you because the birds saw you coming.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, they saw you coming and told

[Susan Hayward]

us that you were coming. So what we have for you, an army of. What kind of animals?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Butterflies.

[Susan Hayward]

We have an army of butterflies that's in your face and you can't see it.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I reach.

[Monet X Change]

Smokescreen of butterflies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I reach into my pocket and I let my. I have now manipulated my sand to be sharp and long like needles. It is wrapped with these butterflies. It looks like A.J. o' Hara versus Kameron Michaels. These butterflies are on the ground, dead as hell. I kick the door in, and I see y' all standing there.

[Monet X Change]

We're going to my powers again. What the hell?

[Susan Hayward]

I don't have any.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, okay, okay. Now I. So I have. Now I have summoned my abilities, and I put me and Susan in drag. So now you're.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is with makeup, clothing, and it's not quick Monet, makeup, clothing, and. Or different behavior.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I manipulated your time and I sped it up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't manipulate time. I manipulate time. That's me. Okay. While Monet trying to figure out what to do, I hit y' all with a thunderclap. Boom. So I think what happens is I knock the walls out. You get hit pretty. But you've obviously evaded this clearly.

[Susan Hayward]

So I'm still standing, and I ask Monet to use the wild voice.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She has to be like, monet, do your thing. By the way, I'm going to need you to remember this is literally what it's like to have powers of Monet. We did a show called Dungeons and Drag Queens. Monet forgot what her powers were. She had us almost drowning. She had the ability to walk on the water. Never used it.

[Susan Hayward]

Babe, babe, I gotta encourage you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is literally what it's like to be a superhero with Monet.

[Susan Hayward]

So I'm remembering the two of us, and I say, speak. Speak. Use your voice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what voice are you using? What are you gonna do?

[Monet X Change]

So I'm gonna use the MGM lions, which is really a tiger sound. And I roar. And the sonic level shatters your little shards of crystals that you were trying to throw at us.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that how loud Tigers were when I.

[Susan Hayward]

Magical ones.

[Monet X Change]

The magical ones.

[Susan Hayward]

Magical ones. Beastmaster.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. And I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead and end this. I paused time. I'm sorry. I paused time. Time. I take one little speck of sand, put it above the heads. I make it gigantic. It is the size of two houses. And then I walk away. And I drop it with a snap and only. But I will say in defense, one of you does evade it.

[Susan Hayward]

Indeed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then I convince you to be evil with me.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay, that's fine. I like that. And I skip away.

[Monet X Change]

Hilarious.

[Susan Hayward]

I need to play this more.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, it's so. It's. Honestly, it's so camp.

[Susan Hayward]

I've only done one other game of Dungeons and Dragons with a friend, but there were so many people. I was like, I'm overwhelmed.

[Monet X Change]

I can't do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you like game? We're kind of obsessed with the game.

[Monet X Change]

We love game.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We play card games. We love social deduction games.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, yes.

[Monet X Change]

Like Secret Hitler and stuff like that. Mafia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

I love those. Sometimes I get overwhelmed with. There's a lot of people, and I love them. Like, six or ten people. It's perfect.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. You would be. You would be diabolical in Secret Hitler. I feel like you would eat. You would.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I never heard of the choice, the traitors.

[Susan Hayward]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So the Trader, Me and Monet were both on a TV show called the Traders. And it's a show where you basically go. You go to a. A castle in Scotland, and then there's about 24 of you, roughly. And then three. Between three and five of you are the traitors.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you have to. Every night, you have to kill. You kill one person, but no one knows which ones you are. Only the Traders know everyone's roles.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, and then.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. And then the Fade.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And in the Faithfuls, you have to try to find out who it is. And when you do it over the course of, like, a month. We didn't last a month. I only lasted four episodes.

[Monet X Change]

I lasted five.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you. It's like, literally in Scotland with a bunch of celebrities. Would you ever do a show like that?

[Susan Hayward]

Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ruthless, Alan.

[Susan Hayward]

Ruthless, Alan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You should be so lucky to have someone like Susan.

[Monet X Change]

Hello.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Make it happen, honey.

[Monet X Change]

And I think you would definitely have to be a traitor for sure.

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

I mean, no. There's no. I mean, yes. I need to be a Trader. I like it. I like knowing things. I like knowing more than other people.

[Monet X Change]

People.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Before we get.

[Monet X Change]

Hurry up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Actually, you got anything coming up you need people to know about. Where can they. Where can they watch the boys? Where can they watch? I mean, we know.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah. Watch the boys on Amazon Prime. Watch the boys. And I'm actually here to say rest is revolutionary. And you don't have anything to look for from me. I. On my Instagram page, I have like cocoon butterfly because I do love butterflies. And then cocoon. And then after all, all of this, I'm in cooning.

[Monet X Change]

That's right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You deserve it. Thank you. Truly.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm resting and I do love to surprise people early. When I started working, I wouldn't tell any of my friends and my family what I was doing. And then they'd be like, Susan, who are you? A law and order.

[Monet X Change]

Why didn't you tell nobody?

[Susan Hayward]

So I do love to surprise people, which is why I probably.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I love that your name is Susan.

[Susan Hayward]

That's. I'm the third Susan. I'm named after my aunt Susan, who was named after her aunt Susan.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, word.

[Susan Hayward]

Why do you love it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just think it's, you know, the name Susan evoke a level of, I think comfort. I feel like Susan might almost be the. Almost be the opposite of a Karen. Like you trust the Susan Comfort, but Susan is kind of. But she's fun. You know what it is? Susan's not your mom. Susan is your aunt. Literally, Susan is your aunt Susan. She has candy in her purse. She will. She will let you. She will let you.

[Susan Hayward]

She'll hug you and make sure your head goes right on her boobs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Exactly. If she. You know what? And when you turn 17, 19, she might slip a little nugget of weed into your. Into your. Into your. Into your pocket.

[Susan Hayward]

My sister's got you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you. Are you an aunt?

[Susan Hayward]

I am. Hi, babies.

[Monet X Change]

How many?

[Susan Hayward]

Four.

[Monet X Change]

Four. Beautiful.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're uncles.

[Monet X Change]

I am an uncle. Yeah, four. I have four, but they all very young. Eight, six, three and two.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And how old are you?

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, God, I'm bad aunt. College age, college age, college age. Age, high school, work, and I have

[Bob the Drag Queen]

a 20 year old nephew and my niece will be 17 this year, I think. Are you gonna. Is there another Susan coming down the line? No, no. The last of you.

[Susan Hayward]

I think I'm the last of my putting it. Well, and then the other one is from a different tradition, so.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. Okay. If. Are you with your. With your brothers? Is there any civil rivalry with your brothers or is it all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, so you're the baby.

[Susan Hayward]

I'm the baby. I mean, so you're the favorite. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

And you were taken care of.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah. Yeah. I was also ruthless with them, too, so I'm gonna say yes.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

But we were older now, and we found, like, where we belong in the world.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I think me and my brother got cool, like, later on, like, in. Throughout high school, middle school, high school. I was a mess. I was doing the annoying shit. Putting off his game while he's playing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I was so awful.

[Monet X Change]

I know. Cause.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why would you do that?

[Monet X Change]

Just a teaser.

[Susan Hayward]

How close an age were you?

[Monet X Change]

Not close. We're six years apart.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah. Seven.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So I would just want it to be annoying.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You and the next oldest. Seven or. No, no, I was the oldest, so

[Susan Hayward]

the next oldest was seven, and the oldest after that was 14 years older than me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, wow.

[Susan Hayward]

So I feel like we had different sets of parents.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Susan Hayward]

Different situations.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My brother's two years older than me, the one I was raised with. I have two brothers. My other brother is 21 years younger

[Susan Hayward]

than me, so I was surprised.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, exactly. My older brother is. Is two years older than me, so we were thick as thieves. It was. It was us versus my mother. Like, I mean, we never won. We never. We had a few things that she never knew about. And I actually told her on her deathbed. I was like, I want you to know, not on her deathbed, but, like, toward the end of her life. Toward her life. I was like, mom, we. We need you to know that. You know that blue candlestick that you've had in the house forever? It is fully broken. We glued it back together. We painted it, and she was like, oh, were you there when I said that? When told that, Jacob? I can't remember.

[Jacob]

You told about. You told her about the hole in the wall when I was there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You have a hole in the wall?

[Susan Hayward]

Just a folk confessions.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah. I. There was one when I. Cause my mom lives in St. Lucia. I went to go visit her, and there was this one room. We had, like, a TV room, and we had, like, a living room. The living room was white carpet. We're not allowed to be plastic on everything. Not allowed to be in there at all.

[Susan Hayward]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

And when I went to go visit, I was like, you know what? I'm in my 20s now. I can hang out in that room. She's in her bedroom. Me and Kameka went down with me, and I'm sitting in the living room, and we were doing whatever, just playing around. I just got up abruptly. I hit all over this big glass thing she had on the table. Smashed the entire table. And they're like. All you hear is the loudest crash. She comes down the hallway. She walks down, she looks at it, and she goes. And just goes back. The silence scared me sick.

[Susan Hayward]

That's terrifying.

[Monet X Change]

I was so apologetic. I was so sorry. And they don't make. That table is, like, 20 years old. They don't make it anymore. I was like, I cannot believe I did that.

[Susan Hayward]

How long did the tension last?

[Monet X Change]

It was, like, for about four or five days.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you replaced it yet?

[Monet X Change]

No, because you can find it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Someone on Facebook Marketplace is getting rid of that table.

[Monet X Change]

Not a T. Lucia, babe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Someone on Facebook Marketplace somewhere is getting

[Susan Hayward]

rid of the get it here and then send it there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you think your mom has the only one that ever existed? Do you broke it? Go find your research. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

I can look for it.

[Susan Hayward]

It's possible. This is hopeful.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You act like she made the table.

[Monet X Change]

Go find that damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That woman's damn table. So is there anything from your childhood you want to confess right now?

[Susan Hayward]

Oh, God, no. But I was also.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or is there any you want to snitch on your brothers for?

[Susan Hayward]

I was a goody two shoes. I was like the one who watched my brothers go be rebels because we were pastor's kids.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, that's right.

[Susan Hayward]

So I watched him be the rebel and be wild and go out, and I was like, I'm not doing that. That's. That's too much work. So I would go and get a book and sit in my little corner and read my book. The TV raised me so, like, I can talk about TV trivia. I can do that. I ain't got nothing to confess. I got nothing to hide.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you good at TV trivia.

[Monet X Change]

We need you on Celebrity Jeopardy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Before we go. I know. We get Pictime. All right.

[Susan Hayward]

All right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. All right. Since you say you're so good at TV trivia, okay, we're gonna do a little bit, and that is.

[Monet X Change]

And I'm gonna win.

[Susan Hayward]

Hey.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Exclusively on our Patreon. There's literally no way you're beating me at TV trivia.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, we'll see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Exclusively on our Patreon. Thank you so much, y'. All. She's in her cocoon right now, and she's gonna have a surprise episode of Law and Order.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, y', all, we need to thank. Thank big shout out to the amazing Susan for being here.

[Susan Hayward]

Thank you so much.

[Monet X Change]

You've been an amazing guest.

[Susan Hayward]

Guess this is fantastic.

[Monet X Change]

You're fierce, you're gorgeous, you're funny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did I say your last name right?

[Monet X Change]

Hayward.

[Susan Hayward]

Yeah, it's.

[Monet X Change]

Hey, hey.

[Susan Hayward]

Word. That happens a lot.

[Monet X Change]

I'm Sorry I missed Hayward Hayward.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So give it up for the the Amazing Susan Hayward.

[Susan Hayward]

Thank you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Therehere we go.

[Susan Hayward]

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[Susan Hayward]

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