The One About Cringe

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast: “The One About Cringe”

Release Date: October 1, 2025
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen

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Episode Overview

On this hilarious, unfiltered episode of Sibling Rivalry, Monét X Change and Bob the Drag Queen dive headfirst into all things cringe: the content, the culture, and the moments that make you want to crawl out of your skin (while also laughing uncontrollably). The duo navigates messy houseguest politics, neighbor drama (with a dash of Russian spy suspicion), debates about pronouns and cultural identity, and, of course, a heated tangent on mustard. Packed with personal anecdotes, internet rabbit holes, and rapid-fire banter, it’s quintessential Sibling Rivalry—equal parts insightful and side-splitting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Houseguest Politics, Petty Grievances, and Condo Wars

• Condo Ownership & "The Sky" Debate

  • Bob and Monét argue about who really owns their property:
    • “To be clear, I own my condo." – Bob (04:04)
    • “You own the sky because the person under you owns the land!” – Monét (03:59)

• Neighbors & Russian Spies

  • Bob describes a suspicious, unfriendly Russian couple in his building, referencing a dramatic encounter involving a gun—and a Dominican neighbor, the self-proclaimed "fag hag," who "owns the penthouse" and runs a Botox clinic. (05:43 – 06:19)
  • Tensions about who’s a good neighbor, stories of near-home invasions, and petty class wars over who has more patios fill out the first act.

• Friendship Friction Over Hanging Out

  • Bob is peeved that Monét didn’t hang out after promising she’d return:
    • “I waited around because I was done with my work... just playing League of Legends... and then you [Monét] came back and said, ‘I never said I’d hang out with you.’” – Bob (08:07–11:31)
  • Monét counters:
    • “What I said was, ‘I can hang out later.’... My intention was to hang out with you, but I did not say that.” (10:05–11:18)

Notable Quote

“You should never feel welcome to my home. I don't ever want you there.” – Monét (07:54)

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2. Language, Pronouns, and Cringe in the Culture Wars

• Learning Spanish & Language Identity

  • Monét discusses her motivation for taking Spanish classes and how Americans undervalue multilingualism (15:18).
  • They riff on language-learning tips like, “Stop translating, just let the word be the word.” (18:18)

• Pronouns, “Latinx,” & Identity Debates

  • The hosts reflect on conservative pushback against “Latinx," with Bob noting,
    • “The desire to not use Latinx is apparently a conservative talking point that has snuck into liberal spaces.” (20:38)
  • Monét references her crowd-sourced education via Twitter polls, learning there’s pushback against alternatives like “Latine” or simply “Latin.”

• Pronoun “Cringe” & Online Culture

  • Both agree asking about pronouns isn’t cringy, with Bob emphasizing,

    • “If someone asks my pronouns, I don’t think that’s cringy. I think it shows they’re trying and it’s a level of respect.” (23:12)

  • Bob recommends TikTok creator Jovan Bradley and the patented “pronoun buzzer” for those in denial about pronouns (25:24).

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3. African American vs. American: The Identity Rollout

• Discussion about the labels "African American," "West Indian American," and what it means to feel tied—or not—to one’s heritage.

• Reference to Raven-Symoné’s viral interview with Oprah and the resurgence of her perspective:

  • “How long do I have to be living in America to be an American?... I have no ties to Africa.” – Summarized by Monét (34:15)

• Back-and-forth playfully escalates:

  • “Unlike you, I know my heritage.” – Monét (35:50)
  • “That was crazy.” – Bob (40:01)

• The conversation is nuanced, personal, and often tongue-in-cheek about the sensitivities and semantics of cultural identifiers.

  Notable Quote

  “My mother’s birth certificate says Negro, my brother’s says Black, mine says African American. The rollout was rough.” – Bob (31:12)

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4. Cringe Enthusiast: Love for Awkward Content

• What is Cringe?

  • Bob confesses a love for genuinely awkward, “cringe” content and creators, noting that some TikTokers and cosplayers thrive on it as a niche.
  • He describes a British “uwu” girl whose entire persona is cringe, plus trends involving anime facial expressions and overly dramatic internet jokes. (41:24 – 46:49)

• Monét on Context of Cringe

  • Monét is less tuned-in to these trends but is fascinated by Bob’s encyclopedic knowledge and enjoyment of it.

• Cringe in Real Life

  • The cringe theme extends to heated debates about fridge etiquette (e.g., reheating nachos), baptisms posted online, and religious social media presence.

Memorable Moment

“I genuinely love cringe content... There are content creators on TikTok who only make cringe content. There’s this one British girl who is like an uwu—she’s like a pick-me girl…and people can’t tell what’s real anymore.” – Bob (41:24)

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5. Random Arguments & Food Hot Takes

• Mustard: The Ultimate Divider
  • In true Sibling Rivalry form, the podcast closes with a ridiculous debate about mustard:
    • “If I get a sandwich—and it has mustard on it—I’d rather go home hungry.” – Bob (61:45)
    • Monét tries to convince Bob of the glory of green apple with mustard: “Green apple and mustard—it’s delicious!” (64:07)
    • Bob: “That looks disgusting.” (64:30)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|-------|---------| | 07:54 | “You should never feel welcome to my home. I don't ever want you there.” | Monét | | 11:31 | “It would have been nice if you’d have been like…‘Hey, actually something came up.’ But instead you walked in and go, ‘I never said I’d hang out with you. I said I was going to hang out.’” | Bob | | 18:38 | “Stop translating…let the word be the word. Manana should just be the word.” | Monét, paraphrasing a polyglot | | 20:38 | “The desire to not use Latinx is apparently a conservative talking point that has now navigated into liberal spaces.” | Bob | | 23:12 | “If someone asks my pronouns, I don’t think that’s cringy. I think it shows they’re trying and it’s a level of respect.” | Monét | | 31:12 | “My mother’s birth certificate says Negro, my brother’s says Black, mine says African American. The rollout was rough.” | Bob | | 35:50 | “Unlike you, I know my heritage.” | Monét | | 61:45 | “If I get a sandwich—and it has mustard on it—I’d rather go home hungry.” | Bob | | 41:24 | "I genuinely love cringe content... There are content creators on TikTok who only make cringe content. There’s this one British girl who is like an uwu—she’s like a pick-me girl…and people can’t tell what’s real anymore." | Bob |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 02:11 – Property debates & beard aging
• 05:43 – Building neighbor drama, Russian spies, and the “Penthouse Fag Hag”
• 08:07 – The great “hang out” misunderstanding
• 15:18 – Why Monét is learning Spanish
• 18:38 – Language learning insights: “stop translating”
• 20:38 – “Latinx,” “Latine,” and cultural war crossovers
• 23:12 – Pronouns aren’t cringe (but pretending they don’t exist is)
• 31:12 – Rollouts of “Negro,” “Black,” “African American” discussed; personal ties to heritage
• 41:24 – Cringe content, TikTok subcultures, and viral references
• 61:45 – The ultimate mustard vs. mayo showdown

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

Sibling Rivalry delivers a masterclass in witty banter, brutal honesty, and cultural observation. While the episode is packed with laughs—often at each other’s expense—it also tackles headlines and hotbeds of American discourse (culture wars, language, identity) in a style that's both accessible and revealing. Whether they're reminiscing about MySpace, interrogating each other about nachos, or dissecting internet cringe trends, Bob and Monét make it clear: cringe is both an art form and an energy to be harnessed, not avoided.

This episode is a must-listen for fans of drag culture, queer comedy, and anyone who enjoys watching friends find humor (and wisdom) in everyday awkwardness.

Transcript

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[A]

Sibling Roberts podcast is supported by FX's English teacher. Last year it's critically acclaimed series returns to follow Evan, Gwen and Marky as they vie for their students divided attention.

[B]

Ooh, see why Cosmopolitan called its premiere season a masterclass of comedy while glamour raved it's the year's funniest and most heartwarming new comedy series. FX's English Teacher. All new Thursdays on FX. All episodes now streaming on Hulu.

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Get ready to power up your play with Nintendo Switch 2. Power up the visuals with 4K support and a bigger, more vivid screen. Power up the fun with exclusive new games like Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong. Bonanza.

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Oh, bonanza.

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Nintendo Switch 2. All together, anytime, anywhere. Games rated E to E10 games and systems sold separately. Compatible TV required for 4K display. My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

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And I'm Monet X Change.

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And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, we talk about the Russian spies living in my building.

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We talk all about cringe.

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And we find out what made Monet sp say this.

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You should never feel welcome to my home. I don't ever want you there. And we find out what made Bob say this.

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That's my supermodel. And she will always be my supermodel. How are you today?

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I'm being. I'm blessed and highly flavored. How about you?

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I'm okay. I feel pretty good today.

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But you have grays in your beard. That's so cute.

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I'm almost 40. Whoa.

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It's like a whole.

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It's like a whole.

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It's a whole family of them.

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Well, I don't use just for men, so.

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But you do use Rogaine.

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I don't use Rogaine.

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Don't you have to for the.

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No, I use something else.

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Are you. Are you saying you see how you did?

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How I did with your procedures?

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Yeah, you see how you did? It was epic. How you. Fucking Brooklyn Heights my shit.

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I didn't go on a podcast talking about it, but it doesn't matter. I didn't go on a podcast talking about it.

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It doesn't matter.

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It does matter.

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You still get my business out.

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It certainly does matter.

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After I told you that no one knew.

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You did not say that. That is not what happened. You are. You are mixing.

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Brooklyn Heights gonna be here tomorrow, so we'll get it together.

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Oh, we can call Brooklyn Hines right now. Don't. To my breast. Do not touch my breast.

[B]

Did you go for the cone breast because of your love for Madonna or. This was a Patrick Howell decision.

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Rita has cone breast.

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Does she?

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Yeah.

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Like, I haven't seen Rita in so long.

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This is pretty. This is pretty. I. I don't know if Rita did it because of Madonna. Make my b. Maybe Rita did it because of her. Her. But yeah, Rita has cone breast. You know, Can I tell you? Pretty accurate recreation, to be honest.

[B]

It's. Yeah, it's pretty. Did you have the staff to remember?

[A]

There was a staff, but it broke. It was so big and it was so cumbersome. And then it broke, like, immediately. It didn't even make it to the show.

[B]

I'm about to say I don't remember you. You. I don't remember you using it on the show.

[A]

It broke. You remember how your staff broke.

[B]

Okay, wait. Okay. So Bob is wearing his rude repositor costume. This is from the civil rivalry tour. September 22nd.

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Maybe. I can't. I. Yeah.

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Cause you did Madonna without living here. Yeah, September 22nd. Because it was around the time I bought my house.

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We get it.

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You own a house and you own a condo.

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Landowner.

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You own a condo.

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I know.

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Yeah, you are. You. You own the sky.

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No, I own this guy.

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And you.

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What do you own?

[B]

I own land. You own this guy because the person under you owns the land. Nigga, you own this guy.

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To be clear, I own my condo.

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And you own this guy.

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And it is in Hollywood when you live in the subs.

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I live in the suburbs and I am happy about it.

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The subs.

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I am happy about it.

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Living in the subs. Overjoyed with people breaking in your backyard.

[B]

Safe subs. No one said it's about safety. You're assuming it's safety. I didn't say about safety. You lit it up. Where people be shaking, niggas.

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Exactly. But no one's broken in my home.

[B]

Where you own this guy.

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None of my neighbors have threatened my partner with a gun.

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She owns. No one is threatened. Who threatened my partner?

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A guy waved the gun at Andy.

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No, he did not.

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Yes, call Andy right now. Yes, that did happen.

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That's your call, Andy.

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Call Andy right now. Andy went outside and asked the neighbors.

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To be like, something.

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And then the guy flashed the gun at Andy. I was literally there.

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That's not what happened.

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Call him.

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That's not what happened.

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Anyway, call him if you'd call him.

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When the guy broke into our thing, we screamed. The guy left. And then the neighbors peeked over the fence. They're like, hey, you guys okay? We're like, yeah, we're fine. They're like, okay, we're coming over. They came over to the front door and then they rang the bell. We opened the door and they're like, hey. What happened was like, oh, we're in the garage. Oh, someone, a homeless guy tried to come into the garage.

[A]

You assume he was homeless.

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I mean, he had no shoes on. Did you interview him? He was giving houseless.

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He could. He could have been. He could have been a yogi walking around.

[B]

No. What? They call him a bogan. A bogan? Yeah. Do you know what bogan is?

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Yeah, bogans are like, they're kind of like the rednecks of Australia and then.

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They walk around with no shoes. They'd be at the airports with no shoes on. That shit's crazy.

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Yeah, I'm not gonna talk on bogan culture because I'm not a bogan.

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Bogan culture is not a thing.

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I do have a there. So my, my building is quite friendly. Everyone in my building is pretty friendly, except there is this Russian couple that no one likes. So there's a fag hack who lives upstairs.

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Fag hag. How old is this flag hat?

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She's probably my age. Maybe a little bit older, a little bit younger. She could be maybe like anywhere between like 36 and 43.

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And she knows you're on Drag Race? She knew you were.

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No, I don't think she knows I'm on Drag Race, but she knows I'm a drag queen because I've walked around. You think, you think she knows I'm on Drag Race? Yeah, because she knows one of Drag Race photographer.

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She knows what?

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She knows one of the people who shoot the Drag Race girls.

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Oh.

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So anyway, I just ran into her. I like her. She. She owns the penthouse in the building.

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What does she look like?

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She's a Dominican. Brown skinned Dominican woman. Like, she, she's, she's, she's maybe Zendaya's color. Yeah, she's stunning. Really, really fit. I think that she, like, runs a botox clinic. So she's. The face is done, but it's really good. And she's always looking for a new Botox dog.

[B]

Why don't you go to her?

[A]

I was looking for a new Botox guy one time when my Botox guy got run out of the city. In New York?

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No, no, the guy. You know, the guy used to use hair. You stopped using when I went with you when I was.

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I still go to that place.

[B]

Oh, but you say you didn't.

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I still go there.

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Oh, no.

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But that lady froze me up. And then I went back and they were like, she don't work no more.

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Got it.

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But I went back there recently. Last time I got Botox, I went to her.

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Got it.

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But anyway, I should go to. I should go to her. The lady upstairs.

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That's what I'm saying. Like you said.

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Anyway, her work is nice. Anyway, so she was like. She's. She's from New York. She's Dominican from New York. And she was like, these fucking Russians. And she was like. Because, you know, he's got tinted.

[B]

Does she. Does she have an accent?

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Yeah, she has a New York Dominican accent.

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Got it.

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But it's not super thick. It's kind of like by way of la.

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And wait, wait, who got tinted?

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The whole building got tinted. Like termites.

[B]

Oh, like. Oh, so you're not living at things?

[A]

No, it's. We're. We're. We're. We're back. It was like three days. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay.

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So. And you know this because we told you. We asked you if we can go to your place, but we end up not going.

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I mean, girl, that was like. That was like.

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You.

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You told me, asked me this, like, three weeks ago. And then. But it wasn't immediate.

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It doesn't matter. We ended up. We ended up going somewhere else. We went somewhere. We felt welcome.

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Good. You should never feel welcome. My home.

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And we didn't.

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I don't ever want you there.

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No, we didn't. Which is why I declined your invitation last night when you invited me. You wanna come over? And I was like, I'm good.

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Yeah, one today. Don't come on that one either.

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I'm gonna come anyway. Cause yesterday, what happened was Monet, we filmed the podcast, and then we played Combio. And then Monet says, I'm gonna be back in an hour. We're gonna hang out. I'm gonna come back and hang out. We're gonna come back. No, let me finish. Let me finish my day. Monet goes, we're gonna come back. Cause we were finishing up Combio. Mone. I was like, I have to run home and do something, and then I have to come back and do mon. And then I'm going to be back. We're going to hang out. We'll finish Combio. I said, okay. So I waited around because I was done with my work. I was literally over here playing League of Legends with Jacob and Tao. And I was like, you know what I'm going to say? I said, I'm going to wait for Monet. Then when they came back, I was like, I have to go. I said, I'm going to hang out, but not with you is what you said.

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That's not what happened. So after we finished. After we finished doing the podcast, Bob was like, I have like. I was like. I said, let's play Combio. Bob was like, oh, I only have half an hour. I have therapy at one o'. Clock. I was like, oh, that's fine. We can play. We're playing a game.

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Therapy. What else you want to reveal about my life?

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You literally talk that you. You do therapy on the podcast.

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What else do you want to feel about my life? Anyway, so you grab my breast.

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We're playing the game. And then.

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Time to play the game. Can you name where this from?

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No idea.

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It's triple H from WWF. It was his interest music.

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And then at like 1:59 or 12:59, like, oh, wait, I can play some more. I don't have therapy until 2 o'. Clock. It got magical.

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Therapy again. This is crazy.

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And then we're like, okay. So we finished.

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He had something to do.

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So we finished playing the game, and then we finished. And then Bob was like, well, I don't. I don't have anything to do until 2. I was like, well, I have to run home. I was like, I have to get some stuff done. Cause I have Scott Evans. Monet talks at 3, but the Russians continue.

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Go ahead. And then.

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Then I said, I want to come back. I can hang out later.

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I didn't say.

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I didn't say with you or where. I said, I can hang out later. I didn't say I can hang out with you. I did not say. I never said we can finish Big Calm because we finished playing the game. What I said was, I can hang out later.

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Jacob, what do you remember happening to the best of your memory? Monet said, we were gonna hang out later. Yeah, we were gonna hang out later.

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I said. I said. I said, I can hang out later.

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I didn't say we. So you. So you left to tell me that you're gonna hang out with other people. You were like, no, no, no, no.

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Because when you came back and you.

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Said, I didn't say I would hang out with you. I said I was gonna hang out.

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I said I could hang out later. So that could have been with Jacob.

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So you. But you didn't hang out with Jacob.

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You left hang out with Jacob.

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So who were you hanging out with? Wait, no, I was gonna say, I.

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Feel like your audience doesn't know you share.

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Oh, we're in the same building.

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Bob Studio is here, and my. My Monet Talk studio is literally. How many feet would you say that is? I'm really bad at feet.

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Maybe 100, 200ft? No, maybe 150.

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I would say 125. I think it takes 100. It takes 125. No, I think it takes 75.

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No, your feet. I would say your feet three.

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He on the toe.

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But you did say, we're gonna hang out. You said, we're gonna hang out later. And then you came and you said. I did say hanging out with you. Did I say we were gonna hang out?

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Did I say finish?

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Did we're hanging out.

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Did I say finish?

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Maybe not. I did not.

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But you did say so.

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You agreed to say, we're gonna hang out.

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You're adding shit.

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But you did say, we're gonna hang out.

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I can hang out later. That's what I said.

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So you were just telling me you're hanging out with other people? You're such a liar. You know my intention. We all know each other. Rose put out that you lied. The fans might know that you lied.

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My intention was to hang out with you, but I will say what I said was, I can hang out later. Yes, my intention was to hang out with you, but I did not say that. I said I can hang out later is what I said. You lies anyway.

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And what would have been nice if you'd have been like, you know what? I realize now that since you. When you realize that you couldn't hang out, being like, since Bob is over here waiting around to hang out with me, it'd be nice to be like, hey, actually, something came up. But he said you walked in and go, I never said I hang out with you. I said I was going to hang out. I have to go to the bank. I'm going to the bank. When I sat around and waited for you.

[B]

Well, okay.

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It would have been nice, okay.

[B]

If you sat around and waited for me. You should say, how about you say this? Hey, Monet, I really sat around. I really. I sat here and waited for you. Like, can we, like, explain that to me? But I cannot Predict. I don't know what is going on in your situation. You had to say that now.

[A]

So now it's on me because you didn't communicate.

[B]

But if there's something that is going to be bothersome to you and troublesome to you, I think you can communicate your feelings about that to me.

[A]

I am communicating that to you. And I told you yesterday, I told you in a moment. I said. You said you're going to hang out.

[B]

But did not say I would. I waited to hang out with you.

[A]

And then your response to you saying you're gonna hang out was, I said I was gonna hang out. I didn't say with you, I have to leave. That's. That's exactly what happened.

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That's what I said. But I. But you did not communicate that you needed. That you wanted to. That you waited for me. You know what you all.

[A]

But I'll let me know what you think. You have all the evidence you need now let me know what you think. Also, something else you did today that drives me. I told. I have told you a thousand times, this drives me crazy is when I do not. Like when people go into someone's space on the phone. That is. To me, that is the craziest thing you can do, is to walk into a space, people loudly talking on the phone. That is crazy to me, what you said.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Is your mouth okay?

[B]

Yeah, sorry.

[A]

This is break. Charlie Kirk got shot at an event. Who's Charlie Kirk? Charlie Kirk. Oh, the guy who. The guy who. He's like one of those debaters.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

He got shot like. Like just now. He got shot at an event. Well, I guess y' all are getting a timestamp when we film this, like, shot and killed. I don't know yet.

[B]

Maybe if I. It couldn't be dead.

[A]

Do you recognize this gentleman?

[B]

He did that thing with Trump. He did something with Trump. I know.

[A]

He's.

[B]

He's a Trumper.

[A]

He's a Trumper. I don't know if he did something with Trump, but he is a Trumper.

[B]

He did, like a crazy speech at a convention, like some crazy speech. He. I think he was the one that did the speech of Madison's regarding. About Puerto Ricans, I think.

[A]

No, that. No, that was Tony. Tony. Tony kills. Tony kills. Yeah, Kill Tony. That was. Kill Tony. Kill Tony was the one who said Puerto Rico is a floating pile of trash.

[B]

Yeah, but Charlie Kirk did something at that same event. I think. I think he was part of the whole situation.

[A]

I don't know if he did, but I know that he is a trumper. But he got shot.

[B]

Well, is he dead? Did you find out?

[A]

I don't know. I. Yikes.

[B]

Sorry to that, man.

[A]

Yikes. But coming into people's face, talking on the phone loud is crazy. Oh, and I've told you that's crazy.

[B]

And you.

[A]

And last time you're like, I don't do that, but now I have camera, so now you can't lie about it.

[B]

Yeah, I did it.

[A]

Why do you. What do you think that's susceptible?

[B]

Yeah, doesn't bother me.

[A]

Now you know when you tell me something that's bothering you.

[B]

You've done things that bother me and you don't care. But you know when you say you do them anyway.

[A]

No, but I'm saying when. You know when you say something doesn't bother you, I have to find out if it bothers you or not.

[B]

Yeah, but you do it all the time.

[A]

I go into your house on the phone.

[B]

No, I say something bothers me, you do it anyway.

[A]

No, when you say something doesn't bother me, you're like, that doesn't bother me. I'm like, well, we're going to find out if it bothers you or not.

[B]

I didn't find out every time.

[A]

Everywhere.

[B]

Hey, love that.

[A]

Woo. That is. That is so rude. Do you have anything else to say for your behavior in the past couple days?

[B]

No.

[A]

You proud of yourself?

[B]

I'm proud. I'm very proud of myself. I had a good day, I tell you. I'm doing my Spanish class. I feel very fulfilled. When I leave my Spanish class, I feel like, you know what? I love school. I realize I like school. I like going to a class and doing an assignment and staying up late and doing my homework. Maybe because I haven't done it in so long. So I'm like, oh my God, it's like a new thing. Maybe in next month I'm gonna be like, ugh, Ugh. That's fucking annoying. But right now I'm really enjoying myself.

[A]

Why do you want to take Spanish classes?

[B]

Because I want to get better at speaking Spanish. I think I feel like I go to a lot of Spanish speaking, I think not even Spanish speaking countries. I think in America, I think two things. One thing, Americans, I don't think as a whole, like value like speaking another language. Another language. Even though a lot of people in this country do speak another language, I think it's something that's not like a priority for Americans, you know what I mean? And I would like to be better at that. And I just think Spanish is a pretty language and I want to go to Spanish speaking country. And yes, I can. Like, I know enough to kind of.

[A]

If I hear a wall of words.

[B]

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[A]

And what's your goal for us for Spanish speaking?

[B]

I want to be proficient. I want to be able to hear a sentence and understand it and reply and reply and something that I was watching this woman who's a polyglot, she speaks, like, fucking, like, like 14 languages, which is insane. And she was saying. She was like, a big should. Like, the biggest tip I can offer to people who learn another language is like. She's like, stop translating. He's like, don't let. Like, don't say maniana and think morning manana should be just like. You shouldn't be translating your head. The word just has to be the word. I was like, oh, I never thought about that way. I normally, like, I hear the word and I. I'm like, oh.

[A]

She's saying, I thought manana was Tamara.

[B]

It's tomorrow and morning.

[A]

Tomorrow and morning.

[B]

Yeah. So, like.

[A]

So I say tomorrow morning.

[B]

Say it again.

[A]

How do I say tomorrow morning? Like, tomorrow morning. Like, I'll meet you tomorrow morning.

[B]

What you're trying to say?

[A]

Like, you said, I'll meet you tomorrow morning.

[B]

Like, hey, hasta maniana in la maniana.

[A]

Hasta manana. In la manana. I'll see you tomorrow in the. In the mara.

[B]

In the morning.

[A]

I'll see you in the morning. In the morning.

[B]

So. So, right. So instead of me saying my head, okay, I'll see you in the morning, or I should be saying just like, hasta manana should just. It should just be that she said, that sounds like it's not hard, but, like, for your brain to think about like that. I'm like, oh, yeah. Like, stop. Like, just make the word be the world. Like, I don't say I eat ass. I'm like, I. Like, I. I know what that is. I'm trying to get to that.

[A]

Do you know how it ass in Spanish? Comerculo.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Comerculo. Como I. Ass, Honey.

[B]

Joke Joe. Como Coolo.

[A]

Coolo. You can say. You don't have to say yokoma. You don't have to say, like, well.

[B]

Right now I'm in school, so I'm like, all, like, proper, and you know what I mean?

[A]

Well, I guess. I mean, I have not taken Spanish classes in a very long time. I took about seven years of Spanish all together, and I. I took four years in high school, and I took three years in college. No, two years in college. So I took six years of Spanish all together. And I. I remember from the beginning, they're like, you don't have to say, yo, yo, yo hablo. You can just say, you don't have to say, yo hablo espino, but you can. And we spent like a Lot of time conjugating verbs. Like a lot of time conjugating verbs. Do, do Hispanic people have the.

[B]

Is it.

[A]

The Spanish speaking countries have the war on pronouns?

[B]

I don't know. Because you, you ever been online and you say Latinx and like they're like, please.

[A]

So I've actually done, I mean, I'm not Hispanic, I'm not from Latin America, but I've done a lot of research into the Latinx conversation and apparently the, from what I'm hearing on the Internet, the desire to not use Latinx is apparently a conservative talking point.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, that has, that has snuck into liberal spaces. But a lot of conservative talking points in general are just sneaking into liberal spaces in like across the board. Like as far as like purity culture is sneaking into conservative to liberal spaces. The, the desire to have people cover up their bodies and not talk about their sex life, to hide their kink, to hide their, their gender, their sexuality. A lot of creeping into very, very liberal spaces. And I find it genuinely very concerning.

[B]

So as it pertains to Latinx, like where did you see, where did you read that? Who, who said that?

[A]

It was a paper. Maybe I can find it, but it was like a paper I read about how like design. The desire to not use Latinx is, is a conservative Latin talking point that has now become a liberal. That has now navigated into liberal spaces for. Because there are a lot, there are lots of people who are Hispanic who are. Or who speak Spanish or from Latin America who are like, I do not want to use the masculine pronouns. I don't want to call myself Latino. I do not want to call myself Latino.

[B]

Well, they say then, but the, on the other side, what I, because I asked, I did a thing on Twitter asking about it. People like posting a lot of articles and stuff. On the, on the tweet I asked, I was like, genuine question. Are people offended by the use of la of Latinx? And then they were like, a lot of them were like, yes, like, if you want to like the, the, the equivalent for they. Them in Latin would be just Latin. Instead of saying Latino or, or Latinx, you say Latin.

[A]

And then people saying they don't like the Latine. The people saying they don't like that either. Which is like a response to trying to gender neutralize.

[B]

Well, Latin feels like it's just neutral because it's L A I T L a T I N. You're not using O R. You're not using the O or the Ah, well, I mean, but I'm not, I'M not. I don't speak. I mean, I'm trying to learn.

[A]

Should I ask Betty?

[B]

Who?

[A]

My neighbor, Please.

[B]

Acid Betty.

[A]

I was like, she's the Dominican lady upstairs.

[B]

Got it. Wait, Jake, was that a commercial? I couldn't tell.

[A]

I think we should just move on. You should talk close to the microphone, though. I mean. I mean, we're gonna. We were gonna transition into this. This guy over here. I. Do you find, like, when people talk about. Do you ever cringe out at people, like, with asking you what your pronouns are?

[B]

Do I cringe at people asking me.

[A]

What are your pronouns?

[B]

No, I don't. Because I think that in this day and age, I up people's pronouns. Like, you know, sometimes I assume you know what I mean? So I think asking is the safest bet. And so if someone asks my pronouns, I don't think that's cringy. I'm not weirded out by that. I think it shows that they're trying, and it's a level of respect. Do you think it's cringy?

[A]

No. I think my phone heard you or someone talking yesterday because I was scrolling through my TikTok and then all of my live feeds were, like, debates again. Like, my. My live feeds lately have been like, drag queens doing live shows on Tick Tock. Like, that's been, like, a lot of my drag feed. Drag artists doing live shows on Tick Tock. That's the live feed that I've been going through. But then lately, my phone was like, oh, I heard the word debate. I heard debate talk. And now, like, it's debate talking, like, all over my phone again. Although I do watch. I watch political content pretty much all day, every day. I try to curb it when I'm around certain people because I know some people don't want to be inundated with, why is your mouth open?

[B]

How did we get here? Like, we were talking about pronouns, and you went on to bathe. Wait.

[A]

Well, there's a thread, okay? The needle threads. If you're. If you have a monochrome of patience, you'll find it.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

So then I ended up in a debate about pronouns. And the conservative right is like, at a. Is in a grammar war right now, specifically with pronouns. A lot of them act like they don't know what pronouns are. They're like, what is. We didn't have pronoun. We. We didn't have pronouns when I was young.

[B]

I'm gonna send you a video to play. But yes, we.

[A]

We knew that a man was a man. And I know the difference. And I'm like, it's crazy to me that people, that people. Maybe people forget where pronouns are. Maybe, like people forget the quadratic equation or the Pythagorean theorem, or they forget the, you know, the, the what, what, how to do a. Whatever. They're just straight up forgetting what pronouns are. Instead of saying, I don't use pronouns, maybe the more accurate thing to say was, I do not prefer to respect people's pronouns because you use pronouns. Everyone uses everyone.

[B]

If you're existing or talking, I just said something to you on Facebook. You're. You're using pronouns throughout your day.

[A]

There's a guy that I'm obsessed with right now named. His name is Jovan Bradley on Tick Tock. And he has the pronoun buzzer. So we ask you when you join his life, he goes, what's your. What's your name? What are your pronouns? And how old are you? And if you say I don't use pronouns, he goes, okay, I respect. I respect that you don't use pronouns. Just so you know, anytime you use a pronoun, I'm gonna. I'm gonna use a pronoun buzzer. So it's cool that you don't use pronouns, but just, I'm expecting some consistency from you. And whenever you use a pronoun, you're going to get hit with the pronoun.

[B]

Is that a talk show?

[A]

This is a Tick tock live.

[B]

A Tick Tock live.

[A]

And he also posts his lives as content.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

So I see a lot of his TikTok. It's really. Y' all should check out Jovan Bradley on. He's one of my TikTok. I have a couple of people tik tok friends, and some of them I've met through real life. Like Jasmine and Amber were tik tok friends who have become real friends in real life. And Jovan and I were going to be real friends, but then he moved to Florida.

[B]

He was. He was in la.

[A]

He was in Long Island. So when I was in New York, we were going to meet up and hang out and do a tik tok live together. But then it didn't work out. For whatever reason. I think he was in a play at the time. He was doing.

[B]

He's an actor. Yeah.

[A]

But I don't think he's like a professional. He just, he just does, like, community theater and has fun with acting. But he's not like, I don't know that Jovan is actively pursuing acting. He was doing Full Monty in Long island at the time.

[B]

Well, you say that, you say Full Monty, and my brain goes to Monty Python, which I'm not the same thing.

[A]

No, the Full Mon. Full Monty is a. Is a musical about strippers, about male strippers. But they're like. They're, like, not traditional. It's like dads who become strippers, and they become a really popular strip show.

[B]

Is it a comedy?

[A]

Yeah, it's a comedy. Yeah. And the Full Monty is a movie that was made into a musical. And now it's like this whole thing.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

About dads becoming strippers.

[B]

So this is the video.

[A]

Do you think women really want to see dad bods? Are people really into dad bods? Everyone acts like they really are, but then I feel like the people who don't have dad bodies are actually the ones who are really.

[B]

Well, I think the scale. There's a. There's a wide scale of dead bods. Like, they're there. There's, like, you know, a dad bod who is, like, someone who is pretty in shape. Like, they have a nice chest, whatever, but they have, like. Like a nice little belly. I think that's one end of the spectrum. But there's dad bods who are like, you know, dad's. What's that guy? He always plays a dad in the movie. The guy from the Borrowers.

[A]

Borrow Wars.

[B]

Borrowers. Fred Flintstone in the. In the movie.

[A]

Oh, his name is. What?

[B]

What?

[A]

Wait. John Goodman. I said wait. Wow, that's crazy.

[B]

Like, that's the range.

[A]

Is that dead bot.

[B]

And there's John Goodman. So it's like, are people into John Goodman? But I think. I think. I think little twinks are into sometimes twinks. Like some twins. Like. Like a daddy body situation. Like a John Goodman.

[A]

The definition of dad bod has changed over the years. I do not think that what people are calling dad boss now are actually dad bods. Like, look at your dad, right? Your actual dad, right? And then look at what you're calling a dad bod. Like, they're calling, like, they call, like.

[B]

Heath Ledger when he's not doing Thor, when he, like, has some time off. They're like that. Not Heath. Litter.

[A]

Chris Hemsworth.

[B]

Chris Hemsworth. They call him Chris Hender when he's. When he's on his break from Thor, when he. When he's having a few beers a day. They were like that.

[A]

That's. That.

[B]

I was like, that's not that bad.

[A]

They say John. I mean, it is.

[B]

It is someone's dad's bond, though, is.

[A]

Chris Henworth someone's dad isn't.

[B]

Does he have. I'm sure he has kids. Yeah. So he is someone's dad.

[A]

Yeah. But yeah. So for example, Tyra Banks is someone's mom. That's not a mom.

[B]

She's not a mom.

[A]

Tyra Banks is absolutely a mother.

[B]

She has kids.

[A]

Tyra Banks is 100amother.

[B]

She had kids.

[A]

So why'd you speak on it if.

[B]

You didn't know meaning? Like, so why'd you speak on have.

[A]

Oh, my God. Sounds like nine years. That sounds like nine years old. She had a surrogate, but.

[B]

Yes. Wow.

[A]

Nine years ago.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Behind the times. That's my supermodel, honey.

[B]

Behind the LA times.

[A]

That's my supermodel. And she will always be my supermodel. And everyone always drags me. I love Ty Banks.

[B]

I love Ty Banks too.

[A]

And people on the Internet like, she's not the one she.

[B]

I mean, wait. Let's wait. Pin and Tyra Banks. This. This is a video. Cuz we got to get too far from this. This is a video I saw yesterday with Robbie Hoffman talking about pronouns with Tom. Papa pronouns. And they tried it. It was. Yeah, no, it was a flop. It didn't catch. I said it was easy.

[A]

It's not easy.

[B]

And it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't seamless. Like they keep saying it seemed. It wasn't seamless. It was seamless.

[A]

It would have happened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I've seen this isn't this. Isn't this Gabby, Wendy's partner?

[B]

Yeah. That's her wife.

[A]

So.

[B]

But. So Robbie Hobbit is someone you. You know, if y' all don't know. If y' all are not familiar with the comedian Robbie Hoffman. When you see Robbie Hoffman, you're like, oh, like in my. For me. And it's what she's talking about here. Like, she gives Nathan.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You see her. But she's like big they them energy. Yeah. Big they. Them energy. Like taking the Tara, like, you know.

[A]

Ticket says she gets they themed a lot.

[B]

But really, do you. Do you.

[A]

When you see Tig and Tara had her. Had a double mastectomy too.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because the cancer got it. So Tinglet got really popular because she did a set the day she found out she got diagnosed with cancer. And then the set got recorded and went public and it was a huge deal. She went to the. To the show and she was gonna do her regular stuff. And then she did a set about finding out she had cancer. And apparently it was really funny and. But really poignant. Well, and I don't think she ever got her breast replaced.

[B]

Got it. So Robbie Hoffman, like, her, her purple point in this video is like, people try to do them things. She's like a flop. It doesn't work. And I think, I think she. She seems to be advocating. She's not advocating to not. She kind of is advocating against not using they.

[A]

Their rollout. Yeah, I think so.

[B]

Just using she, she, her, and he.

[A]

Him.

[B]

But I think as someone, she's. Because she's like, people try to put it on me. And she's like, it wasn't seamless. The rollout was bad. And I think, I think it's a funny take about.

[A]

I think that a rollout being bad is not a reason to stop doing the thing. Like, I think that obviously, as we shift to something new, people are going like, the term African American. So the term African American is really new in terms of terms. My brother's birth certificate does not say African American.

[B]

Was it Black?

[A]

Black. My mother's birth certificate says Negro. My birth certificate says African American.

[B]

And you were just. You. How many years?

[A]

I was one in four, two years apart. But Justin was born in Mississippi and I was born in Georgia. So there is like a 15 year gap in progress probably during that time. And I felt like the term African American wasn't big until the 90s, which is, I. I want to say Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson was like, really piloting the term African. Can you see who coined the phrase African American? Jacob, like, coining this phrase to be like, we need to be using this term African American to describe black people in America who are descendants of American shadow slavery.

[B]

But now you see people like. But now all these. You remember that?

[A]

So the rollout was rough.

[B]

Do you remember that? That viral video of Raven Simone talking about don't with Oprah, and she's like, I'm not African American. I'm just American. But now this. I think that happened 15 ago. Maybe that's too far. 10. I don't remember. But now people are saying it. It. It's. It was making its rounds again, like maybe last year. And people saying, like, actually, actually. Let's take a break. We'll talk about it in a second.

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[A]

See, it was Jesse Jackson who essentially, I don't know if he coined the phrase, but he was the big perpetuator of getting people to say African American.

[B]

Yeah, and Navita's kind of making his rounds again and people are like, actually Raven kind of ate with this. She was like. Cause Raven's whole point is how long do I have to be living in America to be an American? She's like, she's like, she's like, you don't go to the UK and say, I mean, I mean, I don't know, I don't know. But I think her point was you don't go to other countries and say you're, you're, you're black, you're, you're black, you're, you're African British or you're white British or you're, or whatever. She's like, she's like, she's like, you know, she's like my family, we have no ties to Africa. She was like, you know, because I think they did her my 23 year genealogy, whatever it is. And as far back as slavery started in America and like 400 years ago. She was like. Like, we go back to that. So she was like, I have no time to Africa. I mean, I will go to Africa, but if I go there, I'm not like, you know, there's nothing tying me there. She's like. She's like, I just want to be an American. And now people are like, it's making us rounds again. People are like, actually, like, I kind of feel like that, too. Like, I don't have a tie there.

[A]

Do you feel like that?

[B]

No, because I have a very big heritage in West Indians. In West Indians. West Indonese. That's why I call myself West Indian American. I mean, I don't say West Indian American. I just go with African Americans. I think people understand that better. Etc. But using the term West Indian American to describe myself and my family, I feel that because, unlike you, we talked about this before. Like, I have a strong tie there. I go back there. I know my family there. We, you know, we have land and we have things down there. Like, what so fuck you mean?

[A]

I don't like you because we talked.

[B]

About this before and you were like.

[A]

You don't have nothing in the West Indies.

[B]

Right? And you were like, yeah, I understand that. And we did. We did a whole podcast about this.

[A]

You were like, but not unlike you. I know my heritage. That was crazy. Unlike you, I know my heritage is crazy. I know my fucking heritage.

[B]

I do not say, unlike you.

[A]

I'm African American.

[B]

And do you have a strong ties to Africa?

[A]

I said I'm African American.

[B]

I'm the same, but same. But with the African part, do you.

[A]

Feel I'm saying I know my heritage.

[B]

As a West Indian American. Like, I. I feel powerful using that because I. Because I do have a tie to that.

[A]

But here's the thing, too. Black people aren't indigenous to the West Indies.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So do you.

[B]

It is by way of Africa.

[A]

But so I'm saying is. So you connect yourself to your West Indian heritage. I connect myself to my African American heritage. Both of us have descendants in Africa. Neither of us have a strong tie to that. So your connection to your West Indian heritage is as valid and as strong as my connection to my African American heritage.

[B]

I'm not saying it's invalid. I'm just ask. I'm asking you what that is, what I'm saying.

[A]

What I'm saying is your tie is like, for example, if we trace our timeline when y' all hit the West Indies, it's probably around the time that we hit America. Hit America. So, yes, I do have a connection to my heritage. My heritage is African American, just like you have it. So I do. So the answer is yes, I do have a strong connection.

[B]

The reason why I feel it's different for my experience because, like, again, we do. We both have that same tide. Africa. But I do go to the West Indies. Like, I'm super involved in the culture there. I understand the culture that I've been immersed in it. I've lived in it, which in a way that you may not have with Africa.

[A]

Okay, I want to be clear again. I have a very strong connection to my heritage, which is African American. I go back to the South. I still live in America. I. A lot of my friends are African American. My partner's Haitian, and mother. Partner's Jewish. But that's not the point. But, like, my family is African American. I still have very strong ties to my heritage, which is African American.

[B]

No, no, no. But not the American part. I'm saying the African. I'm saying. So when I say that, I'm saying the West Indian part, I'm like, yes, I went to America, but I'm talking about. I have a tie to my West Indian heritage in a way, because I've been there, and I live there, and I've, like, been in there. I'm saying. So cutting off the American part of it, the African part of it.

[A]

But do you hear what I'm saying is why it is odd that my heritage, like, in this conversation we're having, let's talk about what our heritage is. I am African American, right? Both of my parents are African American. Both of my parents are from America. Both of their. All of their parents are from America. All of their parents are from America. So my lineage, my history is African American. If you go way down the line, we are both African, but it's way, way far back. So, yes, I do have a connection to my heritage, but my disconnect from Africa is the same as your disconnect from Africa.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So I don't understand what you mean. Like, but you don't have a connection to your heritage.

[B]

No, I'm not. I'm asking the question. Because what you're describing is Raven is describing. She was like, my parents, Parents, parents, parents. Parents are American. So, yes, she's African American, but she was like. That's why I kind of. I'm like, I don't feel that tied to the African part of it, because I. My experience is that of America. She's like, she's. So she's saying, at what point do you cut off the African part and say I'm American? So that's why I'm not saying.

[A]

I mean, for me, I'm not saying.

[B]

That you're saying you don't have. I'm asking, like, with. With. In context of. In context of what Raven is saying, how does that relate to you?

[A]

I.

[B]

With a similar experience in heritage.

[A]

I do not share that sentiment. I do not feel like I need to cut off the Africa part from my ethnicity, because my ethnicity is African American. And I'm really proud to be African American. I'm proud of the fact that my heritage is specifically African American on both sides of my family, going back all the way through Mississippi and Alabama. And we are Southerners, and we are like, you know, I am. My. My heritage is in Mississippi, in Alabama, and I don't feel a need to, like, push further back. But it is different than you were like, unlike you. Which is what you said. You didn't say. I asked a question. You said. You said, unlike you.

[B]

I think maybe context. Like, I was relating it back to the context of Raven Simone. Like, this is all that. So maybe the misunderstood. What I was trying to. What I said about unlike you. Unlike you meaning, like, in context of what we're talking about, when I brought up Raven, how that relates to how Raven thinks about her African American heritage versus American heritage.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah, very interesting.

[A]

That was crazy.

[B]

Everything's out of fight, girl.

[A]

But that was crazy, though.

[B]

I think that as you're breaking people, like, anyway, moving on. So wait, so back to they. Them. So you adult. So you. So you disagree with. So you. Do you disagree and hate Robbie Hoffman. You disagree. You hate Raven Simone. Who else do you want to disagree with Hate with today?

[A]

Yeah, great.

[B]

So what. Give me. Give me some things you want to disagree with.

[A]

We don't have time. Oh, damn this.

[B]

Saved by the bell.

[A]

This would be our longest podcast, but I already mentioned a few of them at the top of the episode. The things from yesterday and the things from this morning.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Specifically. But you agree. You. You agree with Robert Hoffman. You hate Babe Emmys, and you agree with Raven Simone. You think African Americans are bullshit. Who else is bullshit?

[B]

You. I think you're a bullshit person.

[A]

Do you want to go through all the things on that?

[B]

I mean, we do not have the time to litigate all the ways you're a person.

[A]

Stop reheating my nachos, bitch. And speaking of which, that is cringe to me.

[B]

What?

[A]

Reheating my nachos.

[B]

We don't have time to talk about the ways that you are a person.

[A]

But reheating my nachos is cringe.

[B]

Well, I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm here in your office. I'm. I'm going to eat your nachos.

[A]

Do you think that reheating nachos is cringe? What do you think reheating nachos is cringe?

[B]

I, I mean, I re.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

In practice, I don't reheat nachos. But when it comes to you to troll you absolutely. It makes me so fun for me.

[A]

What do you. What is it about my nachos that you love so much?

[B]

Because it bothers you.

[A]

It really.

[B]

Actually I love bothering you. I mean, you brought it up on a podcast. It's bothering you.

[A]

But I never said it bothering me. I was. I say it's cringe. I didn't say it bothered me though. But sometimes something's cringe. Like for example, I genuinely love of cringe content. I. There are content creators on TikTok who only make cringe content. There's this one British girl who is like an uwu. Like oo woo. She's like a uwu. What does that mean?

[B]

Give us a different. Describe it please.

[A]

She plays a Pikmi girl and she puts her sleeves all the way down here and she does this thing and she. It's like a character that she plays. There's another guy, I can't remember his name.

[B]

Like, so that's a character. It's not her actual personality movie.

[A]

I, well, she makes so many videos in this character that people are kind of like, oh my God, break character. Like I can't tell what's real and what's fake anymore. Her whole, her whole online Persona is specifically making cringy content on purpose to, to, to elicit a reaction from the viewers. And I find there's. There's a guy who does theater cringe content who's like the worst actor, you know, who, when you book the gig that he wants. So I, or, or I watched two seasons of the rehearsal, which is essentially checking my.

[B]

This. Apparently. It's really good though.

[A]

Yeah, it's great. The whole show is cringe. Like you are cringing while watching the entire show. The Comeback is a cringe TV show. I've watched two seasons, I'm about to watch the third, and the whole thing is a very, very cringe person navigating the world. Tina Belcher is kind of cringe.

[B]

I don't know Tina Belcher.

[A]

Belcher from Bob's Burgers.

[B]

Burgers. Yeah, that's the one with the pink hat.

[A]

No, Tina Belcher is the one who likes butts.

[B]

You know, I've seen that. I've never seen it.

[A]

She's the oldest sister.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

She's not. She's not super cringe. The youngest is kind of like a rebel and Tina's like. She's really awkward and she's like always having weird moments. So I genuinely. Something. Being cringy does not bother me. I really like cringe.

[B]

Do you make. Do you make cringe content yourself?

[A]

Sometimes? Yeah. I actually made this video in my car and I lost it. It was like. It's like in my drafts on my phone, but I couldn't find it. And it was. It was like this, this TikTok where you. You recreate these laughs and you do different faces as you make the. It's kind of like an anime. Like, like. Like one of those.

[B]

I don't know even me. Is that another.

[A]

So there's a. There's a thing in anime where they're like doing this and like.

[B]

And it really sends me every time I see it.

[A]

You do something really like in the video to different sounds and it's like. It's like a cringe.

[B]

And the, the whole trend is to be cringe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or you're just cringe doing it.

[A]

No, the. The. You have to be cringe doing it. The whole goal is to be cringe. And I. It didn't start from cringe. It started from like these like. Like the kind of kids who do Naruto runs in. In high school. Like the kind of kid who would yell Hameyame. While I mean in an actual fight. Kamehameha. In an actual fight. It's like that kind of culture. But then people are now just like making fun of it and doing like, like bits about it. Basically.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

And I really. I really find them honestly, really, really fun to watch. Something about cringy things. Yeah, there. There's a great cringe.

[B]

But I guess I don't find this cringy. Do you? This is cringy. Like why is it cringey? Because. Because you're. I. I don't understand what's cringe about.

[A]

I think it's cringy because it is indicative of a certain kind of person who was not cool in school. And when you do this kind of cringe, you were the anime kid who would. Who would not have a lot of friends. But then you go on the Internet to find your friends, you find them there and it's sad that you can't find friends in real life and you find them on the Internet. So it's kind of like a deep. Like I was watching this thing today and it was like. Like the. It was like a joke that you have to know a reference that you have to know a joke that you have to know a reference. And like, I remember thinking myself, imagine trying to explain this to someone who like, literally hasn't seen it. You have to know like five jokes and five references to get why the. The joke is actually really funny.

[B]

Yeah, I think I don't get any of the reference of the jokes to. To why. That you've never seen why the anime thing is funny. It's cringy.

[A]

You never seen an anime kid do that?

[B]

No. Like doing anime faces? No. I've seen people doing Naruto Run or someone saying Kamehameha during a fight.

[A]

But it's. It's same. It's all from the same place. I don't.

[B]

I miss. I must have missed this kind of expression.

[A]

Yeah, it's just like a thing that a lot of cosplayers do it when they're dressing up like their favorite, you know, thing.

[B]

And.

[A]

And I. I feel like she's really good at her. She's like a. A cringe content icon on the Internet. She's play her audio. She's. She's one of the.

[B]

She.

[A]

I'm shy.

[B]

Number two. I use a lot of hand gestures, pictures.

[A]

I am obsessed with this video.

[B]

Three, I'd probably be too busy watching anime. Okay, you can pause it.

[A]

I. When I tell you I am obsessed with that girl. She is one of the like top cringe content creators on Tick Tock. I cannot stop watching her video. She's so hilarious to me. But you have to get the joke to get the joke to get a joke to have this other joke to get the joke.

[B]

Joke. I guess in the world of cringe, like people who do that stuff. Well, again, but because it's the joke. It's. It's. It's over. It's. It's overacting. They're like. They're like doing. That's not how people really act. They're like. They're doing the most.

[A]

Yeah, but it's not just that it's overacting. It is. It is like going crazy.

[B]

People don't go, I am. No one really does that. But you're doing a bit.

[A]

Some people do it.

[B]

I'm shy.

[A]

Some people do it for real.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's kind of like Going to a. It's kind of like if you go and see a picture of someone you know on the side of the road and then the comment beneath says the, the caption says, I'm where the trade left me. If you are not. If you don't know the reference.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That doesn't make any sense to you. If you know the reference, it's funny, right? Do you know I'm not. Yeah. So you have to get the thing. And then people in the comments will start adding more things like, hey, put us. And then. Yeah, it just go. And then, then you basically see. How far can you go with connecting these obscure references to each other and making them make sense.

[B]

Yeah, interesting. Yeah, I, I, I, I also, you just, you're way more often tor. Trans on Tik Tok. I, I just, I, I'm, I'm never knowing what the, what the. I mean, not never. Some of them I'm like, oh, yeah, I know, but you're way more into.

[A]

I mean, this, this trend is not new. But there is some stuff that I find cringy in a way that I do not find enjoyable. But I think when I don't find the cringe particularly enjoyable is usually when the person doing the cringe doesn't realize that they're cringy. Then I find it. Then I find it a little less enjoyable, but I can still find joy in that. Cringe. Cringe for sure. Like, I will, I will, like, send it. That's the kind of secret cringe I love where I will send that to someone I know, but I would never, I probably would not repost someone being cringe if I don't think they know that they're cringe.

[B]

Do you think you could get him baptized as cringy?

[A]

I think it's cringey. I think all Christianity is quite cringy. I think, I think God first in your bio is cringy. God first in your bio cringe.

[B]

I don't think that's cringy. I do think you're beginning, but it's a little cringe because, like, you put. I mean, I guess I don't, I'm not on Christian talk, but like, it just, it just seems like such. It's supposed to be like a secret. It's not a secret, but a special moment with you and the Lord.

[A]

Oh, no. Baptisms are quite public. There's nothing private about them.

[B]

Post anything online. I've never seen someone post a baptism online unless a baby. I've seen babies, obviously.

[A]

Well, I grew up Baptist and you posted online. Dude, I didn't have Internet.

[B]

When you were a kid.

[A]

You've had Internet when I was a.

[B]

Kid, but, like, this way.

[A]

I had an Internet.

[B]

You didn't have social media.

[A]

I had a computer in my home.

[B]

You didn't have social media.

[A]

I also had social media in my home. I had a Facebook. I had a MySpace in my home on my compact computer.

[B]

Facebook was around. What year was this?

[A]

Facebook came out when I was in College, and MySpace came out when I was in either middle school or high school. I want to say Facebook went, like, public, meaning, like, so when I first joined, how. You had to be invited When I first joined. Kinda. When I first joined Facebook, you had to be in college. At a college that was.

[B]

So you had to put the school. Yeah, I remember that.

[A]

Edu. So I feel like. Yeah, I feel like I was able to join Facebook in 2004, and I was on MySpace maybe in middle school, but 100 in high school. I've been on social media. I've been on social media for 20, almost, maybe like, somewhere around 25 years. I've been on social media.

[B]

I started on Skonex in ninth grade and ninth grade, I was 13. 13 minus 35 is 21 nose. Wait, 22. So I haven't watched social media for 22 years.

[A]

Yeah, social media's been around for a long time. I mean, millennials have made a social video.

[B]

I'd be like, girl, I remember trying to code a video on my space. It was impossible. And it looked like you couldn't see anything. It looked like a fucking smokescreen.

[A]

You were amateur.

[B]

I mean, anyone used to have videos on there. They weren't, like, the best quality. Girl, they were like, from a fucking potato.

[A]

Your videos. My videos were busing. I had the code down. But also on Facebook, people were definitely posting. Facebook is dead. When people would post their baptisms. And I joined Instagram, Like, 2000, 2008, I want to say. But, yeah, you would definitely see people posting there. But also our algorithm probably different. I am from a very, very, very Christian place, and almost everyone I went to high school with was either Christian or Buddhist, because there's a big Vietnamese population. Yeah. And maybe a couple of Muslims, but not. We didn't have a lot of Muslims in my high school, so I've definitely seen. But I just find religion for the most part, where there are some parts of religion, specifically Christianity, that I don't find cringy at all. And I find them really awesome and fun and cool.

[B]

Like what?

[A]

Like certain Songs, mostly music is probably mostly music that I, that I really like. This is actually like, this is great. This is like quality, fantastic content.

[B]

Are you a LeAndrew Johnson fan?

[A]

I don't know who that is.

[B]

It's a great singer. Gospel singer.

[A]

Leandra Johnson.

[B]

Leandria.

[A]

Leandria Johnson. Oh, is she the, the dark skinned lady who does the caliper movies?

[B]

No, that's. No, I don't think she's ever done her.

[A]

Oh no, I don't know. Swa.

[B]

She has a weird thing that's so interesting. She does this like growl. It's like so she's, she's, she's epic. She's.

[A]

Is she from Texas?

[B]

I don't know. But she won on my way here.

[A]

Of course we don't have to play it.

[B]

She won.

[A]

Can we find out where she's from? From I probably from Texas.

[B]

She won Sunday. Did you ever watch the show Sunday's Best?

[A]

No, but I know about it. This is where Kim, Kim. Kim Burrell was reading the judge on there. Yeah. And she was. This is where that one guy who hated her, he was like, kim, you. I've been hated you. Yeah, that's the clip I know from Sunday Best.

[B]

She won season three. She's from Florida. Palatka. Florida.

[A]

Oh, Palatka.

[B]

And she won season three of Sunday's Best.

[A]

What do you get when you win Sunday's Best?

[B]

I think you got like back then like a recording contract with a gospel thing and blah blah, blah, who knows? But she's the most successful. Like she is the most successful winner of that show.

[A]

You don't find all these people cringy. I mean, it depends.

[B]

I mean like I said with, I think that that Pastor Marvin Sapp, when he told, when he told them to lock the doors, that's cringy. Lock the doors.

[A]

That wasn't cringy. That was just like weird. Like, like I think that's cringey to.

[B]

You sitting there telling your, telling your ushers to lock the doors and keep everyone in the church like, girl, what the.

[A]

I don't know if that made me cringe as much. They may be like, oh, this feels dark sided but she's on Delta Works podcast.

[B]

I need to watch it.

[A]

Who? Oh, the God warrior. I ran into her recently and I wanted to have her in here, but it just didn't work out. I, me and Marguerite Parent have been chasing each other around for a long time. Yeah, she came to, she came to the Madonna tour. She came to see was she on the stage? No, she just came to Madonna tour and she came to. And she came to. To the Zebulon where I. Where I djed. She. I like her a lot. I really like Margaret. She is. I want to know like what's up with her cuz she has done a full 180. She is on her dual Lipa tip. She did a full 180. She is not the woman she was before and she is so pro gay. She's. I'm just so intrigued by. By what happened on her journey. Journey.

[B]

I think I remember reading a thing online. Not online or you know, you know the book. No. There's a tick tock account that like. Like his whole thing is like talking about famous reality people from. You know, when reality said she was one of them. I think one of them was her. She had a daughter.

[A]

Her daughter passed away. But I don't. I don't know what happened.

[B]

And I think from that like you know, it served as a. I don't know. She like had like a light bulb moment of passing of a daughter and she wanted to amend a lot of her ways, I think.

[A]

And she dances all the time online. She's. She seems just really cool.

[B]

Monique is a dancer too. Monique in the Pandemic. She's have all her dancing videos.

[A]

I remember she was dancing by her trainer.

[B]

With her trainer or there's a choreographer.

[A]

Was she dancing with the trainer or was she training men? Dancing with. Did she meet up with a new person afterwards? You know she's a good. Make's a really good dancer. Do you see her dancing? These are doing the Beyonce.

[B]

Oh girl. Everything. It was. This was like right when Crazy in Love was popped off and she hosted the BET Awards and opening them with her and her big girl. She did Crazy in Love.

[A]

It was amazing.

[B]

Fierce, you know, story about her and her husband Stanley. Steve. Stanley someone with the s. Daddy, Daddy. They were best friends for years. Years, years, years, years, years. Besties. And then she had a date with this guy. The guy didn't like treat her right or something like that. And then. And her and Stanley were living together as roommates, like besties. And she came home one night and she was going out to meet up with this guy and Stanley was like, when you come back home, hit me up. Let me know when you come back home. She was like, okay. And she comes back home and they kiss and then they've been together ever since.

[A]

They really. I feel like she talked about having an open relationship publicly.

[B]

No. Well, she did but I think the thing about people were Whatever about the open, when she said that she was queer, that she. She liked it. The dykes people were like.

[A]

She talked about in her Vegas show. I gotta say, when I went to go see Monique in Vegas, it was Alfredo. Yeah. It was one of the best comedy shows I've ever seen in my life. It was uproariously funny. It. She went there in a way that I have rarely ever seen mainstream black comedians go.

[B]

Meaning what? Like, what went there about what?

[A]

Well, she talked about. She had a lot of talk about how the church is fucking up the black community. And I could see that she lost a lot of the room because it's a black room. And I wanted to put a batter in her back and be like, girl, you go. You go, bitch. Like, don't talk your shit. Talk your motherfucking shit. But then, because they respect Monique so much, they were willing to listen to what she had to say. And then I saw people being like, oh, actually, I could see the gears turning and then having them be like, maybe Monique is. Is talking about something real. Like, I could literally see them, like, coming over to her side and being like, you kind of ate with that. And it was honestly amazing to see. And I was in drag, and then she. She, like, pulled me to the back. She was like, come back here. Like, at the end of the show, she pointed me and was like, they know who I was. It wasn't. She was like, oh, you're Bob the Drag Queen. She was just like, you know, she's a big. Like. I don't know. I don't know if you can call her.

[B]

She likes.

[A]

But she loves the gays. Like, she, like, she.

[B]

She's like the lady.

[A]

She's very.

[B]

Penthouse.

[A]

Yeah. She's very protective of. She's very protective of. Of gay people and queer people. So is Adele Givens. Her sister's a lesbian. She has a joke. She goes. She was a tomboy, and now she's a tom man. But yeah, she. Adele Givens, is. Is. Is like a. Is a big queer advocate, too. You can see when they're talking about their queerness or other people's queerness and, like, being like, I'm cool with it. Sometimes the audience is, like, especially black audience. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but. But you and I know that you can cultivate a black audience that is very pro. Queer.

[B]

Oh, yeah, for sure. We did it in Brooklyn a month and a half ago. A month ago? Yeah.

[A]

We've done it over the course of several years. Yeah.

[B]

I'm just giving A recent.

[A]

But also those are queers. Most of those people are queers.

[B]

Yeah. I want, I'm really curious if you are straight person, listen to a podcast. Like a straight, Straight dudes. I'm sure we have a lot of straight girls.

[A]

Daryl, if you're watching.

[B]

Yeah, any straight dudes? Can y' all comment? I, I, I'm, I'm curious if straight guys listen to this podcast.

[A]

And I mean straight guys, not because your girlfriend or your mom or your sister. You stumbled upon this podcast independently. You don't know. You don't have no gay brother, no lesbian cousin, no sister hag, no mom who loves gay boy. Just you by yourself stumbled upon our content. I mean, I feel like maybe from the Traders, I have, I have met people who like, I have talked to a few people. I talked to a guy on the phone just now actually like literally before we started podcast, who was like, oh, I saw you on the Traders. But he doesn't, I don't think he watched the podcast.

[B]

You randomly spoke to a guy on the phone? What?

[A]

I was, yeah, I was on the phone. It wasn't, it wasn't random. I was on the phone with someone. Oh, we're trying, I'm trying to set up an interview with this, with this guy who. It's actually a really interesting podcast. It's called the Necessary Conversation. And it's this liberal, like a, kind of like a mid liberal son, a very liberal daughter. And their parents are extreme trumpers. Like extreme trumpers. And it's called the Necessary Conversation. And each week they are basically talking about the news and you get to see what it's like when there's a family divided, like a house divided.

[B]

Are you, are you producing this?

[A]

No, I have, I have nothing to do with this podcast. I just listen to it and you're.

[B]

Talking to the guy and I want.

[A]

To talk to him, I want to like interview him about what it's like to happen.

[B]

Oh, I was so confused. I was like, oh, I thought you were telling us about a new podcast you're trying to start cuz you like, cuz you said you. I was, I was on the phone with this guy. I was like, oh, so he was interviewing you to be, to moderate it. I was, I was confused as to how, how your role was involved in it. How big is this lady's penthouse? Is it like double the size of yours?

[A]

No, it's probably like a third up. She has three patios.

[B]

Three patios.

[A]

You have two.

[B]

Well, you have one.

[A]

She has four bedroom, three patios.

[B]

Work.

[A]

And I have one, well, bedroom and half a patio. Yeah, me and Jacob just stay in one bedroom. It's a studio, actually. Nice apartment, but we make it work.

[B]

From New York.

[A]

When. When me and Jacob moved to la, we were in a one bedroom in a house for like six months in Zach's place. Yeah. And honestly, we made it work. It was kind of popping good. I can navigate through a lot. Like, I really don't need a lot to. To. To. I'm a pretty chill, real person when it comes to, like, the things I need. And I'm wondering. Except for a protein shake of bananas when I'm hungry, I do need food.

[B]

I'll be honest. That is the straw that will break the bottom.

[A]

I'll be honest. I need food. I. I try to eat every day.

[B]

Well, there was food. Just didn't know the food you wanted.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Yes, the food I wanted. You. You got damn right the food I wanted. If I get a sandwich and it has mustard on it, I want. I would rather go home hungry.

[B]

It's crazy. Mustard is so good.

[A]

If I get a sandwich, there's mayo on it. I could scrape it off.

[B]

Mustard is so good.

[A]

If I get a taco and there's.

[B]

Is it the acidity of the mustard? Like, what is it about the mustard?

[A]

Everything about the way it tastes, the way it smells. It is pungent, it is lingering. Like, for example, if I get a chicken sandwich, I will take the pickles off. The pickles are lingering, but I prefer the pickles not on the sandwich. But I don't care if there's a little pickle juice on there. Mayonnaise, I can scrape it off. I hate to scrape it off of a burger because it's in the crevices and the chicken is in the crevices.

[B]

Is this.

[A]

If I get a taco with sour cream on it, I prefer no sour cream, but I will. I. I will still eat the taco if there's mustard. I'm. I'm like, it's a. I would rather be hungry than eat something with mustard on it.

[B]

I love mustard. Zero calories. That's why I put on everything. I made tuna fish today. I don't use. I use mayo.

[A]

That's not a reason to eat it. That's not a reason.

[B]

But it tastes good. I love how tangy it is. There's a thing I know. Did. Did Thorgy do that fat suit, fat mustard thing for. Because of you. Did she know that?

[A]

What do you mean, because of me?

[B]

Because you hate mustard. What do you mean.

[A]

So you think you was saying I love mustard specifically because I hate mustard?

[B]

Yeah. Y' all had a rivalry on your seas. What do you mean? Like, that's shocking.

[A]

First of all, I never said it was shocking. Said it didn't make sense.

[B]

I mean, I don't know. Is she to troll you to be like, I love mustard and Bob hates it.

[A]

I'm. I'm.

[B]

I know. I'm asking.

[A]

I am in the realm of 100% certain that she just said it randomly. That she just said I love. Must monstered out of nowhere. But I don't think it had. I don't think Thorgy even knows that.

[B]

I don't think she would. She would have so much beef with you on the show to either. And then we saw how that worked out. So. I don't know. Do you.

[A]

I can't tell if you're being like. That was. You were really like a troll.

[B]

I generally. I. It would start. I wouldn't. It wouldn't surprise me. Like, just like a little. Like a little like. You know what I mean? That only y' all know.

[A]

Because she likes something I don't like.

[B]

But nor does she or does she even really like it. She's just doing it to troll. Troll you.

[A]

Are you.

[B]

Because you knew how you troll me.

[A]

Or do you like mustard?

[B]

I love mustard.

[A]

I mean, it wouldn't be weird if you did a troll me.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

What do you love more, apples or mustard?

[B]

Okay, a green apple with mustard.

[A]

What time are we at? That's crazy. We have to be there now. That's crazy.

[B]

It's delicious.

[A]

What time are we at? This is delicious. Do a podcast on one of these.

[B]

Delicious.

[A]

Jacob, tell me what time we're at. I'm in a crazy. This is a crazy place.

[B]

Green apple mustard to be is going. Okay. It's not sloshing it. You get a little piece of the apple. You put a little mustard or dip it in and bite it. The tangy and the sweet and the sour. Delicious.

[A]

Okay, we gotta wrap it up. Thank you.

[B]

Wait, you never had a turkey sandwich on Delta with brie and they put the. And they put the green apple slices on there.

[A]

That is a thing with mustard.

[B]

Yeah, they put mustard on it too.

[A]

I've never had that. I've never had that part with the mustard on the side. I've not had. This looks disgusting.

[B]

This is delicious. Love it.

[A]

That look. That looks. What do the comments say? No way.

[B]

It's actually really good.

[A]

And I only had Dijon versions versus your yellow I actually didn't mind. I actually didn't mind it.

[B]

I don't like Dijon.

[A]

I was like, good, but also maybe not good to me. Go down. Go down off this thread. What does the next comment say? If we get off the thread?

[B]

How high are you? Or I like the appetize.

[A]

Oh, the four pork chops approved this message. Not gonna lie. I bullied a kid in preschool because he put ketchup on his apple.

[B]

That's crazy. Ketchup on I thought this was what.

[A]

I thought this was a was from Reddit. Weed stoner snack for sure.

[B]

That scan ketchup on a mustard on an apple is crazy ketchup.

[A]

We have to go. It'll be crazy. We're done. This is this part. We're going on to the we gotta.

[B]

Go and Doug Limu and I always.

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