The One About Fairy Tales

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – "The One About Fairy Tales" (September 3, 2025)

Overview

In this lively and banter-filled episode, Monét X Change and Bob the Drag Queen jump from reviewing their favorite concerts of the year to a deep, hilarious, and at times philosophical conversation about fairy tales—their origins, personal childhood stories, the definition of a fairy tale, and whether modern works fit the bill.

True to their chemistry, Monét and Bob weave in jokes, playful arguments, and personal anecdotes, with producer Jacob pitching in for fact-checking and adding to the fun. The episode is rich with pop culture references, Drag Race insider moments, and candid personal stories—perfect for fans of drag, nostalgia, and good-natured rivalry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Favorite Concerts of the Year

[02:30 – 09:00]

• Bob and Monét as "Concert Girlies": Both have been to a slew of concerts this year, naming Lizzo, SZA, Kendrick Lamar, Lady Gaga, Diana Ross, and Beyoncé as standouts.

  • Bob: "That thing was thanging. We have been concert girlies lately." [02:30]

• Comparing Notes:

  • Monét has attended Lizzo and Beyoncé twice each and is excited to see Lady Gaga in Seattle.
  • Bob and Monét reflect on how none of their concerts this year were "flops."

• Memorable Moments:

  • Monét recounts the jaw-dropping moment Beyoncé, Michelle, and Kelly reunited at the end of Cowboy Carter:
    "When Beyonce came, went back in the ground and came back up with fucking Michelle and Kelly. That was crazy." [07:26]
  • Bob’s standout memory is Kendrick Lamar performing "Not Like Us" in Detroit—an electric, cultural moment.

• Artist Preferences:

  • Monét admits to only knowing a couple of Kendrick Lamar songs and would rather see a SZA-only concert, while Bob has the opposite taste.

2. Fashion Tangent: Dapper Dan and Cowgirl Looks

[03:55 – 04:59, 19:45 – 24:09]

• Shoutouts to Drag Race alum Jada Essence Hall for her show-stopping Cowboy Carter look, drawing wild comparisons to Lulu from Final Fantasy, sparking a tangent on cosplay and video game aesthetics.
• Deep dive into Dapper Dan’s legacy in hip-hop and high fashion.

  • Bob shares fun history about Gucci hiring Dapper Dan after previously suing him, illustrating how "the outsider became the insider": "He changed Gucci's imagery and branding and fashion from outside of Gucci." [23:04]

  • Monét delights at the idea of influential people in fashion being queer—but they conclude Dapper Dan is apparently straight, after some Google sleuthing and classic banter.

  • Memorable Bob/Monét banter:
    Monét: “It makes my little, little gay boy heart very happy to find out that they are queer people.” [24:02]
    Bob: “That thing was thanging. It seems like he's giving it straight at this point.” [25:14]

3. Childhoods & Fairy Tales: Lived Experiences

[25:21 – 35:50]

• Monét’s Caribbean Upbringing: Monét didn't grow up hearing classic American/European fairy tales; instead, St. Lucia had its own local stories.

  • She first encountered Disney classics and American fairy tales after moving to the US.
  • Monét was more into Disney Channel Original Movies (Cadet Kelly, Halloween Town) than the “fairy tale princess” films.

• Bob’s Southern American Childhood:

  • Although not read traditional fairy tales as bedtime stories, fairy tales were a general part of the culture.
  • Bob loved being read to at bedtime, often with stories focusing on socialization and moral lessons rather than magical folklore.

• They attempt to define what actually makes a story a fairy tale, hilariously debating if movies like "The Lion King" or "Dr. Dolittle" count as fairy tales.

  • Bob: “What's the magic element?” [29:47]
  • Monét: “Animal speaking, I think, is a... Pets life is a fairy tale. Life of Pets is a fairy tale.” [29:55]

• Rabbit hole on Coraline and Tim Burton movies, with Jacob providing expert commentary.

4. Reading Habits and School Stories

[35:50 – 44:42]

• Bedtime Reading & Early Literacy:

  • Monét self-taught reading early (age 2-3, Dr. Seuss books), in part to address a stammer.
  • Bob recalls memorizing books through repeated readings from his mother, rather than directly reading.

• School in St. Lucia vs. US:

  • Monét: In St. Lucia, reading was done by students individually or in groups, not as a story-time led by a teacher.
  • Bob is shocked: “In St. Lucia, y' all wouldn't sit around the teacher. That's wild.” [42:15]

• Childhood Mishaps and Corporal Punishment:

  • Monét shares a vulnerable story of a childhood bathroom accident and being punished by the principal—a practice that shocks Bob, despite his own experience with corporal punishment in the US South.

5. The Great Mischief Debate & Lighthearted Rivalry

[46:00 – 51:28]

• Spirited debate over who is the most mischievous, involving Jacob as the deciding vote.

  • Jacob: “Yeah, for sure [you're mischievous]. But I don't think that's a negative quality.” [46:44]

• Story revisiting a past incident where Bob and his boyfriend "stole" a vacuum from Monét’s home as a challenge—their memories differ, sparking classic bickering.

6. Name Respect, Family, and Maya Angelou

[51:37 – 54:04]

• Discussion about Maya Angelou’s insistence on being addressed formally, leading to a broader talk on names and respect for elders in Black and Caribbean families.
• Bob notes the Southern tradition of addressing elders as "Miss" or "Mister," explaining variances in formality when relatives are close in age.

7. Birthdays and Memory Oddities

[54:08 – end]

• Monét impresses (and mildly disturbs) everyone with her remarkable recall for friends’ and family members’ birthdays and even some phone numbers.
  • Bob: “That’s just too many people. I know... I know my birthday. I know my mother’s birthday. I know Camion's birthday. I know Nevaeh's birthday. I know your birthday...” [54:35]
• Playful accusations of "fake friend" when Bob confesses he doesn't know Monét’s phone number, leading to a classic Sibling Rivalry tongue-in-cheek sign-off.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Concert Highlights:

  • Monét: “It makes my little gay boy heart very happy.” [02:25]
  • Bob: “That thing was thanging.” [02:30]

• On Dapper Dan & Fashion:

  • Bob: “He changed Gucci's imagery and branding and fashion from outside of Gucci.” [23:04]
  • Monét: “It makes my little, little gay boy heart very happy to find out that they are queer people.” [24:02]

• Reflecting on Childhood:

  • Bob: “I did like being read to as a child. I really love being read to. It was a really great way to get me to lay down and go to sleep. It felt like a reward to get something read to me.” [34:27]

• On Mischief & Friendship:

  • Jacob: “Yeah, for sure [you're mischievous]. But I don't think that's a negative quality.” [46:44]
  • Bob: “This is by any means necessary. I had to reclaim my property.” [47:18]

• On Memory:

  • Bob: “That’s just too many people. I know... I know my birthday. I know my mother's birthday....” [54:35]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:30] – Concert recaps and favorite moments
• [03:55] – Jada Essence Hall’s Cowboy Carter look & fashion tangents
• [07:17] – Beyoncé’s Destiny’s Child moment at Cowboy Carter
• [09:43] – Bob & Monét’s differing concert artist preferences
• [19:45] – Dapper Dan, high fashion, and Drag Race intersections
• [25:21] – Transition to fairy tales, childhood associations
• [29:26] – Defining "fairy tale" and heated Lion King debate
• [34:27] – Reading habits and childhood memories of bedtime reading
• [42:15] – Comparing reading traditions in St. Lucia and the US
• [43:41] – Monét’s childhood bathroom mishap & corporal punishment discussion
• [46:00] – The great "mischievous" argument and the vacuum story
• [51:37] – Maya Angelou, naming respect, and Southern etiquette
• [54:08] – The "birthday recall" segment

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Tone & Language

The episode maintains the signature playful, candid, and authentic energy of Sibling Rivalry, with sharp quips, affectionate roasting, and hilarious oversharing. Both Bob and Monét foster a sense of community and familiarity—listeners feel like they're part of an ongoing inside joke, privy to both touching and ridiculous moments.

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In Summary

"The One About Fairy Tales" is a delightful ride through pop culture, personal stories, and the hosts' unfiltered perspectives on childhood, memory, and what counts as a "fairy tale." Packed with humor, warmth, and enough tangents to keep long-time fans grinning, it’s quintessential Sibling Rivalry: informative, irreverent, and always engaging.

Transcript

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen and I'm.

[Monet X Change]

Monet x Change and this is sibling rivalry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

On this week's episode we recap our favorite concerts of the year.

[Monet X Change]

We talk about fairy tales and we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Find out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

It makes my little gay boy heart very happy. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That thing was thanging. We have been concert girlies lately. I this year I have seen Lizzo. I have seen SZA and Kendrick Lamar. I have seen Lady Gaga two times. Have I seen any of the concerts this year? Am I missing any? Who Diana Ross? I saw Diana Ross. Am I missing any. I need to get my ass to go see Kesha too. Who have you seen this year, Ma?

[Monet X Change]

Rob. Rob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rob.

[Monet X Change]

Rob Anderson went to see Kesha. He said it was really good. I've seen Lizzo twice this year.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rob Anderson. What?

[Monet X Change]

He just. He just saw Kesha. He said it was really good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, work.

[Monet X Change]

I've seen Lizzo twice. I've seen Beyonce twice. I'm gonna see. I've seen Lizzo twice. I've seen Beyonce twice. And I'm going to see Lady Gaga in Seattle. I'm very excited for it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I rather. I saw Lizzo twice, too. We both saw it together both times. Loving Lizzo two times. And I have not seen any flops this year. Every concert I've seen was. Saw was fantastic.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I agree. Every. Every concert I've seen so far has been great. I really. One of my favorite parts of Delizo when she did a Weho Pride, was when she sang some over the Rainbow with Sasha B. Fluten. It was very cute.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want to give a shout out to Jada Essence hall, who I think probably had one of my favorite. Not my. That I've seen. To be fair, I've not done a deep, deep dive, but J. Essence Hall's Cowboy Carter look is so fantastic. It's kind of like a card cowboy cardi. B.

[Monet X Change]

It look. It looks really cool. I think. I think J looks. She looks great. I wonder who. Who made this? Was this. Did she make. Because, you know, Jada can sell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. She probably made this herself. Girl, knowing her, this looks so good. She looks insane. First of all, I think she's wearing a corset, which you better than me.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I don't think. I guess it is a corset, but I think just more so a bodysuit to lay the belts on top of. Um, but yeah, I don't know. Joshua made this. Or she kind of know. She gets a lot of her things made by Joshua. This looks. This also is very Joshua Ponte.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. This look is so good. She just ate so hard. She looks great in this outfit. Um, this could be. This could be on the stage. You know what? Actually, what I really love about this? She didn't do Americana.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. At all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it still gives Cowboy Carter.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jacob]

Who's the girl from Final Fantasy who wears all the belts?

[Monet X Change]

Lulu.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's give him Lulu.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, girl. Lulu. Lulu's like gothic and dark and black.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I thought Lulu was white and orange.

[Jacob]

I mean, I think it's more about the belts than actually the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait Lulu was black. I thought she was white and orange.

[Monet X Change]

No, she's all black in Final Fantasy 10.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

White Norian, Fifth Element.

[Monet X Change]

No, he said Final Fantasy. Are you listening?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, that's a fifth element.

[Monet X Change]

The hell?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because she wears straps.

[Monet X Change]

That's Lulu.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Jacob. How.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob, how is this a data as us all.

[Jacob]

It's the belts. It's the use of belts in the eye.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You are on your mic so hard. Jacob. Like you. It is in your mouth. Jacob. I don't know if it's a gay thing or what.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob is deep throating his mic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This the belt. This is a cool look. I gotta say, these video game designers, they designed some really cool. They designed some really cool looks.

[Monet X Change]

I agree. That's what to me when I see pictures and videos of Sandy. Sandy. Well, yes, I guess Comic Con, they just had San Diego Comic Con. That's why it's in my brain when you see like people who go to Comic Con and they're like, Jacob, can you look up some cosplayers doing like the looks like that's to me what made Fifi or, sorry, Jeremy Carey's drag. Really impressive. That Jeremy is so good at drag that they could just make. Or can you look up a Lulu cosplay? See how much they nailed it. Jeremy would just make these looks and they would be so freaking good. Like how he would create exact. Almost exact replicas of these video games. Really cool.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Were there any concert moments that really stuck out to you? What was your. If you had to pick one Con, the one moment from the one concert that stood out to you in your mind this year, what would it be?

[Monet X Change]

The one moment that stood out from a concert to me that I witnessed. Yeah, I think. Oh, when Jay Z came out for Crazy in Love and ended Niggas in Paris, that was a really.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was the one you went to.

[Monet X Change]

They did it at the last show that was really electric and like the way the cloud just exploded. When Destiny's Child came out at the end of Cowboy Carta, the entire arena exploded, threw up. It was crazy how the original. Cause it was the end of the show. No one was. It was literally the last 10 minutes of the show. No one was expecting that to happen. And when Beyonce came, went back in the ground and came back up with fucking Michelle and Kelly. That was crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What song did they do?

[Monet X Change]

They did a few. They did Independent Women, they did Bootylicious and something else. It was amazing. It was great. Loved it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For me, the one moment that stood out as my moment from the entire Time for me, you're saying for me it was sza. It was not for me. The one moment from all the concerts that I've been to this year was. It was really electric. The crowd went crazy. I felt so much energy. I felt like I was. I felt like I was witnessing this massive cultural moment in person finally, for once. And it was when Kendrick Lamar did not like us. It was just bombastic. Like, it was bombastic. It was like. And I was a little disappointed because I heard that everywhere else he did it. He did like, three, four, or five times. And in Detroit, he only did it once, which makes sense because they had just gotten back from the BET Awards, like. Like that earlier that day or something like that. They flew in from the BET Awards, like, literally earlier that day. But there was not anything about Kendrick Lamar's performance that seemed tired or anything. It was. I just remember being like, this is such an electric moment. It is. It was so fun.

[Monet X Change]

They're not like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was amazing.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Kendrick Lamar and sza.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why have you not gone to see SZA yet?

[Monet X Change]

Because none of the. With my schedule, like, none of the dates that I could do worked out. Like, when I could go, it didn't work out. Cause I couldn't. It was like. It just wasn't working out with my schedule this year. But I saw her twice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you still on tour?

[Monet X Change]

They're in Europe right now. But I saw it twice last year, and I just heard by herself. And to be honest, I like Kendrick Lamar. I'm not a big Kendrick Lamar fan. I only know two song Kendra Lamar songs that's Not Like Us and A Luther because of Scissors on it. So I would just. I would rather just see SZA's solo by herself instead of seeing her with Kendra Lamar. I'm being very honest.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't know. Be humble. Humble.

[Monet X Change]

No. Sing it how I go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sit down. Be humble, Sit down. Be humble, Sit down. But I will say this, that I was having the exact opposite effect when I was on the tour. I'm not a big scissor fan, and I did not want to sit through a scissor concert. I. I know, like, like, two scissor songs, and I was like, I certainly appreciate SZA as an artist, but, like, I. I'm just. I think that her. I'm not her target demographic, so it just doesn't speak to me much. So there are moments I kept being like. And they were back and forth. It wasn't like one does their whole set and then the other does their entire set. It was like first Kendrick Lamar came out and did his whole set. I mean like a 10, 15 minute chunk. And then Sizzle come out and do the same thing. And there was some crossover as well, where they have like their songs together. But for the most part it was. It was just very back and forth and I kept being like, I want. I want to the songs from gnx. I want to hear the songs from, you know, Good Kid, Mad City. I want to hear the song. You know, that's what I. I kept. I want to hear the songs from Tima Butterfly.

[Monet X Change]

See, that'll be me I the whole time. Like h. Give me. Give me SOS Give me control like that. That will be me. So I'm like, I'm not going to waste my money. I rather just see. See my girl by herself. I just love her so much.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think you would still loved it. Cuz I still loved it. I still had a great time. But I was also there with my brother, which felt really, really nice. I was shocked at how many songs. How many SZA songs Justin knew. I was gagged.

[Monet X Change]

But you told me his wife likes scissor, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know if his wife likes those. I didn't say that.

[Monet X Change]

I think you did tell me that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did not say that. I do. That is not information I have. I think you made that up. Oh, I could have sworn I said Justin likes scissor.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, somebody likes scissors. So like, so, yeah, so I guess I'm like, if he likes the artist, why. Why would you be shocked he knows their music.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because Justin doesn't seem like a scissor fan. Like, I'm shocked that Justin likes is just. Just like you're always shocked when I listen to some random music. There's something I listen to. You be like, wow, this is so odd that you listen to this song. And I'd be like, I guess it's odd. It makes sense to me. But I guess to Justin it makes sen fan because I. I would have never pegged my brother who I've known Now you want? I would. That's disgusting. That's disgusting.

[Monet X Change]

You know, I'm into Justin. I'll pick Justin.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you want to. Do you want to dick Shawn down into the earth?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anyway, I would never peg Justin as a. As a SZA fan. Like, I've known my brother for 39 years and I just never thought he would ever listen to. Justin is the kind of guy who says female.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And if that. If that resonates with everyone listening, you'll get what I mean? He'd be like his females, you know, that's who Justin is. Because whenever I'm talking to a female, that's my brother.

[Monet X Change]

I think that just speaks to the breath, how expansive Sza the diva is, honey. She got.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I was undeniable. Everyone, everyone loves. Even Nicki Minaj was begging for. Begging to be on the verse.

[Monet X Change]

She sure was. That was wild.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you think showing screenshots is tacky?

[Monet X Change]

You know, I think when people want to get down in the dirt and play, you gotta, you got, you gotta, you gotta meet them where. Where they're at. And SZA was trying to. I mean, Nicki Minaj was on this Internet trying to act like SZA wasn't this. She wasn't shit. Like coming with all these ins about her talent, blah, blah, blah. I'm like you. So you think all these things are going on, these whole diatribes on Twitter, but yet you want it to be on me and my song? I mean, you want to be on one of your songs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Am I b. Screenshot Tacky?

[Monet X Change]

I don't think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is recording someone without their consent and then posting on the Internet tacky? Kim Kardashian.

[Monet X Change]

Who? Who? About her sex tape.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, she recorded Taylor Swift talking to Kanye West.

[Monet X Change]

I don't remember this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There was a controversy years ago where Tate. Where Kanye west called Taylor Swift and said he going to use use your name in the song. Are you okay with that?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then Kim Kardashian posted it because Taylor Swift was like, I didn't know you were going to call me a in the song. I don't appreciate you calling me. I might be getting this wrong, but I don't appreciate you calling me a in the song. And then Kim Kardashian posted a video of her and Kanye west talking. She was recording them talking, where she was like, oh, it's okay if you mean the song. But then years later, somehow Taylor Swift got a. Or someone got a hold of the extended video where Taylor Swift goes, well, I don't like the part where you call it something like, well, I don't like the part where you call me a bitch. That part doesn't feel good. But Kim Kardashian edited out the part where she said that.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. Well, that's. Hey. Because now you're misrepresenting information.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I'm saying is is that is is recording. So what happened is Taylor Swift doesn't know. Doesn't know the COVID is being recorded. Taylor Swift has no clue. She thinks she's on the phone with Kanye West. Meanwhile, Kim K. Is filming them while he speaks on speakerphone. Is that. Is that shady?

[Monet X Change]

I will say that I think there's nuance in it. Like, if. Like, if I record a thing, like if you call me about doing a song and I say, yeah, you can do it. And then weeks later, I'm like. I'm like, bob, I did not. And I didn't know you recorded me. And then I was like, bob, I did not. See, I was like. I never said. I was like, bob, I never said. And you're like, well, there's footage of it. And I think that's fair, because how are you trying to go on the Internet and say that I'm lying and you didn't give me permission when you did?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But to be clear, that's not what Kim Kardashian did.

[Monet X Change]

I know. That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about. This is. That's different.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But what about how Kim did it, though? Because Kim did something different, I think.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I think. I think that that's shady because you're misrepresenting the truth.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Cutting out the last chunk. I don't know why she would do that. I guess she thought to herself, no one will ever get this footage, but, girl, people be hacking iclouds. Like, someone got Jennifer Lawrence's sex pictures. You think your phone is safe?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Unless it's from your burner account in your. In your. In your burner, burner itunes account. Girl, your information is not as safe as you think it is. You're not. You're not as secure as you think, mama.

[Monet X Change]

Secure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean? So I wonder. I really wonder who got that footage? Like, who got that footage? How did that footage make its way back to someone who posted in Taylor Swift's defense? Because Taylor Swift seems kind of like the Beyonce route where they only address drama in songs. And they. Will. They. They will never do an interview or tweet a blog or a post about it, except what she said. I very much, like, be removed from this narrative reputation was her last time addressing the drama.

[Monet X Change]

You're really up on a pillow for the drama. I have. I have no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You.

[Monet X Change]

You are really in these. You know a lot about this stuff, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Up on it. This is from, like, seven years ago.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but, I mean, I. I don't. I have. No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't know all this was happening. I mean, I knew, like, the general thing about their beef but you know, all the little details about it. Look at you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, literally the Internet, it was, all the Internet was talking about Kim K versus versus Taylor Swift and Kanye West. It was, it was, it was a pretty big. It was a pretty big pop culture. I'm very pop culture minded.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. Is this a real Prada hat?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Of course it is. Why would you ask me that question? That's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

Because you have fake designer stuff, so that's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that a real silver necklace or like, is it like a piece of garbage?

[Monet X Change]

It's not silver. It's gold. And it is real.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And to be clear, I have my Versace Crocs, which are. I wouldn't call these knockoffs.

[Monet X Change]

They are not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're from Etsy. I supported it. I supported it, I supported it. And do what?

[Monet X Change]

They're not Versace.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I know they're not Versace, but they're also not meant to be Versace.

[Monet X Change]

So what are they meant?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is like Dapper Dan. But it's a level of style that you might understand. This is, in fact, I'll tell you after this break.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I don't want to understand.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Person on, on Etsy. I buy these. Well, Jacob gets these for me, these Crocs from this lady and she does these like bedazzled Crocs, which I really, really love. But they're not meant to. They're not actually meant to like be like Versace crocs. Like anyone who can see them tell them they're not Versace crocs. It's kind of like when Dapper Dan. Do you know Dapper Dan?

[Monet X Change]

I know Dapper Dan. But the thing about Dapper Dan. Dapper was remixing things from designs with the fabrics and stuff. But it, it looked like it could be from Gucci. It looked like it could be Louis Vuitton. Obviously, we knew it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it didn't. I mean, no, it didn't. Gucci wasn't making anything like that. Gucci made nothing like that.

[Monet X Change]

But I'm saying. But in a world where, let's say, I don't know, Pharrell started designing for Gucci, you could be like, oh, I can see how that could work. Like again at that time. No, but it looked like it could. Like in a world where Gucci was doing a crossover with whoever, it looked like it could have been. You know what I mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think you might be mis. Misremembering. Because what it is, is now it looks like it could be from Gucci because Dapper Dan actually changed that. So Gucci started emulating what Dapper Dan was doing. And now it looks like it could be something that Gucci does because he ended up working with Gucci. They hired him as their. As their. As their artistic director or their creative director after one of his silhouettes was stolen by Gucci. So Dapper Dan was taking Gucci's logo and Louis Vuitton's logo and putting on these. On these R and B and singers and these rappers. And then Louis Vuitton and Gucci stole the idea back from. They took it. They were copying his style, and he was using their logo. So in 2025, it is something that Gucci would do. But back when Dapper Dan was doing it, no one would have been like, oh, this is. This is something Gucci would do, because they. They didn't do anything like that. But now in 2025, I can see how you can look back and be like, oh, this is something that Gucci would do. Because now they're actually taking ideas from the people who were using their logo. Right?

[Monet X Change]

So. Oh, my God, looking at this, is this. Was this part from the 80s or was this first one now? I can't even tell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, it's because Gucci started copying Dapper Dan. So Gucci. So what ended up happening was Dapper Dan got sued by Gucci because he was using their logo. So you. You cannot copyright a silhouette, but you can copyright an image like the Gucci logo or the Louis Vuitton logo, right? And they're like, you can't do this. But then in like, oh, my God, 2018, maybe 2017, or I can't. The year I'm getting, the years I'm mixed up. Gucci copied one of Dapper Dan's silhouettes, which is perfectly legal. But the Internet was outraged. Like, that's crazy that you did that. How could you take this man's. How could you take this man's silhouette? And then they ended up hiring him to be on the. I think he may have been the artistic director, the creative director of Gucci for a while, because they were trying to. Right there. Wrong. I don't know if he still is or if he's not, but he still has his. I believe he still has his Gucci store on 125. Like an official Gucci store. Like a Dapper Dan X Gucci store. I think so. At least it was there for a while. I don't know if it's still there.

[Monet X Change]

Interesting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's a whole. This American. No.

[Monet X Change]

No, it's. In 2018, Gucci partnered with Dan to reopen his iconic Harlem atelier on Lennox Avenue. The appointed only shop.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what it was. I know, I know something.

[Monet X Change]

2018 Bespoke Conference Design Dapp using Gucci RAW materials, fabrics, prints, embroidered patches and hardware. Dapper. That was so cute.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So he. So he ch. So he changed the. He. He changed Gucci. Gucci's imagery and branding and fashion from outside of Gucci.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, he's still alive?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kind of.

[Monet X Change]

He's 80 years old.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Is he gay?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He. I do not know. But he kind of invented the early 90s hip hop image. I mean not early 90s, the late. The late 90s hip hop image.

[Monet X Change]

80S. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, he also did. He also. He did. He did a lot of people though. He did people in the. In the early 2000s too. I think he's the one who did Lil Kim. I might be misremembering. He did a lot. He did like a lot of stuff. He. You might call him a hood fairy tale. I mean, I'm not interested in discussing this man's homosexuality because I do not know.

[Monet X Change]

I just love finding out people who are so influential, they're queer. It really makes me. It makes it what? I love finding out that people who are so influential in fashion, in the world, being queer. It makes my. It makes my little, little gay boy heart very happy to find out that they are queer people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm like, yeah, I ain't trying to out nobody if he's not gay. I don't know.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I can't out. I'm literally just googling it. I don't know. I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree. I'm not saying you're. I'm not saying you're outing. I'm saying I. I don't know he's gay or if he. I don't know. I do not.

[Monet X Change]

I'm not gay no more.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's his name? Something. Caldwell.

[Monet X Change]

I think it's. I want to say it's not Christopher. Don't you have the same name?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm Christopher Caldwell. I'm Christopher Caldwell.

[Monet X Change]

I think his name is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

His name is not Christopher Caldwell.

[Monet X Change]

Andrew Caldwell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Andrew Caldwell.

[Monet X Change]

Andrew Caldwell. I'm not gay no more.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Christopher Caldwell is crazy.

[Monet X Change]

For some reason, I thought there's someone else named Christopher Caldwell that did that is a celebrity. You know this, right? Am I making it up? Anyway?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You talking about me?

[Monet X Change]

No, bitch. There's another person. Anyway, I don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't.

[Jacob]

I mean, there's nothing publicly about his sexuality, but he does have eight children with different women.

[Monet X Change]

Eight.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This fucking Christian.

[Monet X Change]

Having eight children is a lot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That thing was thanging. It seems like he's giving it straight at this point.

[Monet X Change]

So today we're talking about fairy tales, Roberta. And I was not someone who grew up with fairy tales. I knew them. My parents had to read me fairy tale stories. Did you grow up within a family where you were read fairy tale stories?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I grew up with fairy tales, but I was not read fairy tale stories. But I grew up with fairy tales.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I think maybe you grew up with fairy tales.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You didn't watch Disney movies.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, but like the traditional ones, like Three Blind Mice or Snow White or like all those. Like I.

[Jacob]

Do you know Rumpelstoltskin?

[Monet X Change]

No. I know of it because I watched that show on the WB when I was older.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But not Enchanted.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't grow up with the story of Rumpelstiltskin unchanted.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's the one that once upon a time.

[Monet X Change]

Once upon a time, he grew up like a frog. And then. Was he the one that gave the girl the spindle on a spinning wheel?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He was a rich landlord, basically. They kind of rewrote him as a rich landlord, basically. Wait, did you not watch Disney movies growing up?

[Monet X Change]

Not really. Like, I feel like I didn't watch Little Mermaid growing up. I did not watch Aladdin growing up. I didn't watch Cinderella growing up. I didn't watch Snow White. These are all things I found out. You will have niggas walk around the back of this thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, people work here.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, tell his ass. Wait, we're at work. He could wait.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we're at work too.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway, so. Yeah, it was later on in life. I didn't grow up. St. Lucia has.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You've been having people hammering on the wall, drilling through the ceiling. Where. So I think we'll be fine.

[Monet X Change]

Where?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And where are people walking? Where. Where is anyone walking? Just know that happening now doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But I'm saying you. You say because you point and go now. Where now? Yeah, it's not happening now. But we. We have obviously been on the podcast with you with drilling and.

[Monet X Change]

Drilling.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What are you looking at? What are you looking at?

[Monet X Change]

Anyway, I thought I heard the door. The door out there. But yeah, St. Lucia had like their own little fairy tales. But like, I guess traditional fairy tales, like American ones. I didn't really grow up and I had to like, learn about them later on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't believe you don't watch Disney movies. That's insane.

[Monet X Change]

I started watching Disney movies when I moved To America. And I started watching like the original Disney movies, like Halloween Town, Lucky the Irish, the 13th year. Like cadet Kelly. Oh my God, Hillary. Honestly run Hillary Duff back her Oscar for Cadet Kelly because she killed that movie. Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that's why I'm shocked you didn't watch Disney movies because you were such a Disney kid. But you're watching movies. You're watching Disney Channel originals. You're watching shows that were on like the Disney Channel.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, movies that were on like ones they made. Number three. Ones that they make on the Disney Channel.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you not make a scene every time someone walk down number three and he'll walk through five more times, we're going to count.

[Monet X Change]

And he has proven that he will do so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And what domain do you have over here?

[Monet X Change]

I just have the domain, but I will point it out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And what domain do you have over here?

[Monet X Change]

I don't. That is your office. I don't have any domain over there, but I will point it out. And what will you do about that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Super correct. I'll do what I'm doing right now. I guess we're both gonna do what.

[Monet X Change]

We'Re doing right now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're just gonna. You're just gonna sit there and count? You're just gonna sit there and count?

[Monet X Change]

You sure will.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then I'll sit here and point out when you count.

[Monet X Change]

Uh huh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know that it makes for a particularly great podcast, but you know, I agree.

[Monet X Change]

So do you wanna answer my question about. Get the fairy tales. There she goes. Slowly but surely. Walk around with that dress.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What about, what about fairy tales? What was your question?

[Monet X Change]

I asked you what fairy. What was your favorite fairy tales growing up? Are you listening? We are doing a podcast.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I'm listening to you counting people walking around. I mean, I didn't have a favorite fairy tale growing up. I wasn't like, this is the fairy tale that I love. I didn't have any fairy tal. I was obsessed with growing up. I just kind of liked fairy tales. And I wasn't really looking at them as fairy tales. I would kind of see movies because some of the stuff I was like, I don't know that I would call Lion King isn't a fairy tale, but I was kind of grouping cartoons and Lion King is definitely not a fairy tale. Lion King is like Hamlet.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. But I mean, the Disney version of it is. It is a fairy tale of. So I guess we have to find what is a fairy tale.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I reckon so.

[Monet X Change]

I think it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is a fairy tale?

[Monet X Change]

A Fairy tale. Sorry, I'm a Internet. A fairy tale is a type of folklore, typically a short story featuring magical elements like fairies, wizards and other mythical beings. I would, I would argue that talking birds and cats are mythical kinda. These stories.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's the magic element.

[Monet X Change]

That they have that they could talk?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's okay.

[Monet X Change]

Well, animal speaking, I think is a.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Pets life is a fairy tale. Life of pets is a fairy tale.

[Monet X Change]

What's life of pets? This is a.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's a movie where pets talk.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know it. Let me look at that. Wait, these stories are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mr. Ed is a fairy tale.

[Monet X Change]

What's Mr. Ed?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mr. Has a talking horse. It's a sitcom with a talking horse in it.

[Monet X Change]

You know what? I think I know that reference because of a joke Jada Pinkett made in a low down dirty Shame. You ever have that. Like, you may not know something, but because of how it was referenced using the movie, you're like, you're putting context clues of what it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe I can't think of anything off top of my head, but like Mr. Ed was like the 60s or 70s. There was this talking horse, like a sitcom, but the horse talks. His name was Mr. Eddie.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. These stories often include fantastical events and are designed to entertain, often with a moral lesson.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I don't think the Lion King is a fairy tale, Mama.

[Monet X Change]

It has some of these elements. It's a story with fantastical events and it is designed to entertain with a great moral lesson that you should have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Dr. Dolittle's a fairy tale. Dr. Dolittle, where Eddie Murphy talks to animals.

[Monet X Change]

Does it, does it, does it, does it take the box on this. Is it folklore? Is it a short story featuring magical elements?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not a short story. It's a. I mean, it's a feature film. You can make it short.

[Monet X Change]

Is. Is there a fantastical event and is it designed to entertain, often with a moral lesson? What is it? Dr. Doolittle? Don't be. Don't be mean to animals.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've not seen Dr. Doodle in years. I. I've not seen Dr. I mean, I've never seen a movie that didn't have some sort of a moral lesson in it. Maybe, maybe I have. Maybe the hangover, maybe. But I think in the typical context, the Lion King is not a fairy.

[Monet X Change]

Tale, a children's story.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is the Lion King a fairy tale?

[Monet X Change]

Another one?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, the Lion King is not a fairy tale, but shares characteristics with the genre.

[Monet X Change]

Another definition is a children's story about magical. The Lion King is a children's story about magical and imaginary beings and lands.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

According to this, I don't think. I would not classify the Lion King as a fairy tale, personally. I would say Cinderella is a fairy tale. I would say Sleeping Beauty is a fairy tale. I would say Rumpelstiltskin is a fairy tale. I would say.

[Monet X Change]

Is Princess. Is Princess and the Frog a fairy tale?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not Princess and the Frog is a fairy tale.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but it's not. It's not. I guess there is magic. There's mama Odie and Dr. Facilier. They're doing magic. Yeah.

[Jacob]

I mean, it's also based off the Frog Prince, which is a fairy tale, obviously.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Princess and the P. The Princess and the P is a fairy tale.

[Monet X Change]

They say Coraline is a fairy tale.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Coraline. I've never seen Coraline. The girl with the buttons in her eyes.

[Monet X Change]

I've never seen Coraline either.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't have any thoughts about Coraline. I've never seen it before. I just know I would. I think I would know. She has. I think she has a bob that's like.

[Jacob]

I would say it's a fairy tale.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. I think Coraline has a bob with this black with, like, blue tint in it. And she has buttons over her eyes and she wears a yellow coat. Right.

[Jacob]

Close enough.

[Monet X Change]

Isn't that the Corpse Bride?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Corpse Brian doesn't have buttons. She is wearing a white dress. She has black hair and she has, like, a white face.

[Jacob]

Coraline doesn't actually have button eyes, but other people in the movie do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, singing a song about Coraline she's something Some. She's a friend of mine. I don't know why I know that song, but I think it's from Coraline. And if it's not Tim Burton, it's Tim Burton esque.

[Monet X Change]

It seems if. If someone asked me if Coraline was Tim Burton, I would say yes. If they seem in the same realm, in the same. The chorus ride is definitely Tim Burton. Right?

[Jacob]

It's. It's actually Harry. Henry Selleck. And Henry Selleck is the animator who worked on A Nightmare Before Christmas, which was one of Tim Burton's famous films. So people, a lot of time assume Henry Selick's work is Tim Burton because they work together a lot, but it's not actually Tim Burton.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I knew, though, because I remember thinking myself there was something about Carlisle that seemed like, it's not Tim Burton, but it's Tim Burton. That's so weird that I was like, it seems Tim Burton S. But not Tim Burton. Anyway, I guess that makes sense.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Would you have that directorial stamp? It really goes a long way.

[Monet X Change]

If you have kids. Will you be the type of parent that like, sits in the bed and reads fairy tales to put them to sleep?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would read them books. Not necessarily always fair. I would probably read fairy tales too. But I did like being read to as a child. I really love being read to. It was a really great way to get me to lay down and go to sleep. It felt like a reward to get something read to me. And if I'm the one who would get me in bed, then she was like, I'll read you a book. Then it would make me want to get in bed faster because I wanted her to read me a book. I wanted to be tucked under the covers. I wanted to be sitting there with my mom, like sitting on the bed and reading me a book. But my books were often about. They're like books about socialization.

[Monet X Change]

Like, can you give us some examples?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Books about sharing, books about being a friend, books about working together, books about lying, books about why you should tell the truth. Books like stuff like that. I can't remember the names of the books, but it'd be like this elephant who doesn't share his toys. And then this elephant learns to share his toys. And now because the elephant shared his toys, everyone was hanging out with the elephant. So this is a book about sharing. This is a book about the elephant who wipes his nose. If you have a runny nose, you should wipe your nose. Because if you don't wipe your nose, everything's covered in boogers. And his house, then the desk was covered in boogers. And his whole house is just covered in boogers. But because he wipes his nose. Now there. I don't remember that one as one. But like, now his house is booger free because he wipes his nose. It was like I was. My mother was reading me, like, socializing books about how to be a human being. Basically.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You ever got stories ready as a kid? How'd you go to sleep?

[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

With a capital black. So no, my mom did not read because I would read to myself. That's how I sought my stammer. I had to read to myself to help fix my speech impediment.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What about what you couldn't read?

[Monet X Change]

I mean. Oh like I started reading pretty young. I started reading from like 2 years old. Like and I wasn't reading like you know, the fucking Bible, but I was reading like Dr. Seuss books. I started reading them about 2 years old.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You were reading entire Dr. Seuss books at the age of 2?

[Monet X Change]

Ask my mom. I did. I started reading the Cat in the Hat before I was three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You read the entire Cat in the Hat book?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know if I read it like to completion or if I was like. I could get through it though, like from my memory, which, you know, my memory before I was seven is like really is really fuzzy. But I could like read it to understand again. I would be like, do you have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Memories of being two?

[Monet X Change]

No. From, like from, from what I'm piecing together from what I remember. Like I feel like I was able to get through it. Like I remember sitting in bed with a cat in the. And I was reading it. Now do I remember if I was reading it like word for word? Probably not. I think I was stammering by then. But I was able. I would pick up books and read them.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just have a couple questions. Do you have memories from being two years old?

[Monet X Change]

Like vaguely, like very like foggy, like kind of. Maybe. I don't know if it's an actual memory or if it's something I'm thinking from later on, but I think so, you know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And do you think that you were reading, that you read. You were able to read the Cat in the Hat in its entirety before you were three?

[Monet X Change]

No, that's what I was saying. No, I don't know if I was reading them in their entirety, but I was sitting in the bed, I would hold a book open and I would read words. Was I reading the story from top to bottom though? But I would sit in my bed and read words and I'd fall asleep.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I have no memories of reading, of not reading, of life before January 1990. I have no memories before that. My first memory.

[Monet X Change]

86.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

86. My first memory is in 1990. Is in January of 1990 when we got back to school. I've already told the story before I remember. The first thing I remember was learning what a decade was. Did you say it's the 90s? It's a new decade. Do you guys know what a decade is? That's my first memory.

[Monet X Change]

This is a specific thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

F4. And I was reading at a young age. I mean, I don't. I, I think I have a pretty standard reading. I think I, I'm probably a. My reading level is probably at a very average reading level today for a 39 year old adult. But when I was a kid, I was reading at an advanced rate. I was like reading more than like the other kids were.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. And again.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But not, but not. But not at two. I mean I don't, I don't, I don't remember two. But I don't. I certainly don't think I. But I also don't know what are, what are two year olds doing? Are, are two year olds.

[Monet X Change]

I do remember.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do have some memories of like, of memorizing a book now. There's this one book that my mother read to me so many times. It was like my favorite book. I can't remember the book for the life of me. She'd read it over and over and over again and because. And then I just Memorized the book. So then I would say, let me read you the book. But I would. I wouldn't actually be reading going from memory. I would just be reciting back. And then I remember mom. I remember my mom, like, being like, what's that word? And I'd be like, I don't know. Or I would guess. And I would guess it wrong, because I wasn't reading. I was just memorizing the entire book.

[Monet X Change]

That's probably also what I was doing, too. But I remember. I remember being in a bed holding a book open and, like, saying the words of the story.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't believe that you never got read to embed. That's such a. I mean. But I guess. But if it wasn't kind of your family's thing, then I guess, you know, it's just not Yalls vibe. Would you read to your children?

[Monet X Change]

I totally. That looks so cute. When I see people doing in movies and TV shows, that look seems so cute.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you wish that you had been red, too?

[Monet X Change]

No, it doesn't feel something I miss out on. I don't look back at my channel. I'm like, ugh. I really wish I was red, too, you know?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How about at school? Was anyone reading you at school?

[Monet X Change]

I think in school, we just read out loud as a class. I don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The teacher didn't read to y' all in school.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think we ever had, like, the thing of. All right, kids, gather round. And the teacher's gonna read to the class. That's not a thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In St. Lucia, y' all wouldn't sit around the teacher. That's wild. No, we'd all sit on the carpet. There was like. Or beanbags or pillows or stuff. And then we face the chalkboard. We'd leave our desk, and there was a big space between the desk and the chalkboard where the teacher would sit down, usually with an easel next to her. Sometimes there'd be a gigantic book, a huge book, so we could all follow along. And sometimes we are reading. Reading from the book and then turning it around and showing us.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I don't have any recollection of that. That's not how school was in St. Lucia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what do the teachers do in St. Lucia?

[Monet X Change]

We would get books, and we would sit and we would, like, read as a class. Like, we'd all have the books.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, how did she teach you to read? She's like, here, just read. You should know how to read by now.

[Monet X Change]

No, we weren't. We learned, like, letters and stuff on the board, like, we learned, like, cat, bat hat, rat, shat, chat.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You did chat.

[Monet X Change]

He learned chat. Because on account of us being so young, we're probably shatting ourselves oftentimes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You ever shit yourself? Do you have any memories of yourself?

[Monet X Change]

Yes. I will never forget. It was. It was stage. Stage three. I don't know what age. At what age that is. It was stage three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Stage three.

[Monet X Change]

What is like, yeah, so they go. And that's not like cancer in St. Lucia. Go stage one, stage two, stage three, stage four, standard one, standard two, standard three, standard four, to standard whatever. I think nine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So it's probably third grade, maybe third grade.

[Monet X Change]

And I remember I had a. I was. First of all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you start school in five in St. Lucia?

[Monet X Change]

I don't remember.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

And so it was recess time, and so I used to get in trouble for being so sweaty at recess, which is crazy to get in trouble for fucking running around in recess. Like, you're getting too sweaty. I'm like, yeah, bitch, I have a fucking glandular problem.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or it's also. Or maybe you're on an island outside playing, so.

[Monet X Change]

And then. So I would run around playtime, my shirt would be sweat, and they would be like, kevin, you cannot sweat so much in free time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like.

[Monet X Change]

So. And this one day, Dendrite says, I had a bad stomachache. My stomach hurt so bad, and I had a really, really, really bad time. And I tried to go to the restroom, and I didn't. And I shit myself like a runny diarrhea in the bathroom. And I was so embarrassed, and I didn't know what to do. And I went to the principal, and I got beat for shitting myself.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is insane.

[Monet X Change]

I think that is why I don't like public bathrooms. To this day. To this day, I will hold my stomach, so my bowels. So I have to shit in public.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you guys had corporal punishment?

[Monet X Change]

We did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was talking to someone who was so gagged that I had corporal punishment in my school. They were like, what?

[Monet X Change]

I think that was me. Cause I didn't think that was a thing in Americ. But then you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Then.

[Monet X Change]

Then I'm like, oh, yeah, you were. You were in the south, and the south was different, but I think that was me. I was gagged to you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was. I remember you being so gagged that we had corporal punishment. But y' all had corporal punishment.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but the Caribbean is so different. Like, in America, having corporal. I didn't. I. I thought that it was a federal law that you couldn't do that. I Didn't realize it. It was a state to state decision.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, there's. There. Oh, I don't know what it is now, but at the time there was no federal law saying that you cannot hit children at school. The teachers can't hit children.

[Monet X Change]

And so would you get corporate punishment a lot?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I never got corporal punishment.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, so you never got beat by a teacher?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, never. Not once.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, so you see why. Because you sounds like girl like. Yeah, that's why I was like gagged.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said, I never got beat by teacher. I. I saw corporal punishment. I saw the students get spanked. I never. Why would I ever get beat?

[Monet X Change]

Because you were telling me how much you would talk in school, how the teacher be like. So I. So I assume that they will let. They will have to spank your ass. Bob, you were a mischievous little.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was not a mischievous. I was a very good kid.

[Monet X Change]

But you would talk a lot and you'd get in trouble talking.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but I wasn't mischievous. I was a wonderful child. All my report cards always said, my God, he is such a smart and great and well behaved kid. He just talks a lot. But I was never accused of being mischievous, ever. I was a good kid. I was a good kid.

[Monet X Change]

What are my experiences now?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that's an experience that you're having. It's not an experience other people have. People really love being around me.

[Monet X Change]

I don't like being around you. But you are a very mischievous person. As in present day, to quote you, in present day.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think people see me as mischievous, to be honest. You could ask people.

[Monet X Change]

Who are these people?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can ask. You can ask Jacob. You can ask. You can call someone and ask them. Do you think Bob is mischievous? I don't think I'm mischievous.

[Monet X Change]

Not mischievous. It's mischievous.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, do you think I'm mischievous?

[Jacob]

Yeah, for sure.

[Monet X Change]

Thank you. I don't think I'm one person there.

[Jacob]

But I. I don't think that's a negative quality.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't say it's negative, but Bob is a mischievous person.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you mischievous?

[Jacob]

So like, what about how. When you stole it? Yeah, absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is Monet mischievous? Yes, Monet, are you mischievous?

[Monet X Change]

I think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What about.

[Monet X Change]

You mean when I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When I. You mean when I took back my pillow? When I reclaimed my property?

[Jacob]

Well, what I would say, what?

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[Jacob]

That's mischievous. I would say mischievous. Is that wrong? The way. What's mischievous is how you did it, baby. If you were just being like, no, I'm gonna take my pillow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is by any means necessary. I had to reclaim my property.

[Monet X Change]

Or the time that you came to my home and you plot. Did you and your boyfriend did a whole plot to steal my vacu? Is that not mischievous?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You. You invited us to.

[Monet X Change]

I did not invite you to me saying that you cannot steal my thing is not an invitation to burglarize my home and steal my property. That's not how that works.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, what happened was you said you all could never take something. Then you were like, you know what? Give it a shot.

[Monet X Change]

I did not say give it a shot. You not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You said something.

[Monet X Change]

Now you're adding shit. You did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You did.

[Jacob]

You said it was a challenge.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You definitely. You were definitely like, try. I have cameras everywhere. You literally. You literally couldn't.

[Monet X Change]

The challenge to y' all was saying that y' all cannot take something to my home. So y' all made the challenge like, oh, she said, we can. We will. That is me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If I recall properly, and I'm sure there's a podcast about it. And my, My. My recall is not perfect, but it's pretty good. You were telling us that because you have cameras all over your home, we could never steal something from you. And then we said, of course we could. And then you were saying, like, give it a shot. Let's see.

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then we took it. We gave it a shot, and we saw.

[Monet X Change]

That's where the conversation ended. I, I. That sounds right. I said, girl, I have cameras all over here. Y' all cannot steal something from. You're like, okay, Monet, we'll see about that. That sounds more accurate than what probably happened, which used the conversation to burglarize my home and steal from me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're misremembering, because you and I both know it would probably go something like this. If we were having a conversation, I would go, it would probably be like this. You go, you can't say I have cameras around. And I would say, so you think that I couldn't possibly take something from your house? And you go, no, you can't. And I would probably say something like, so you're telling me that I. So can I. Something like, can I try? You can try. So just to be clear, I would probably. So just to be clear, you're giving me permission to come to your home and try to take something. And you'd be like, you wouldn't be able to. And now, just based off of our dynamic, that's the conversation probably, with something like that.

[Monet X Change]

No, you're adding things.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think it might have been. I Think it might have been on the podcast.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know what? There's literally hundreds, I think at least thousands of hours at this point of footage that if it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I'm not gonna come back through. I'm not. I'm not interested enough to comb back through the footage and find the date and time, but. And I'm not gonna ask anyone else to do it, but I would be willing to bet that the conversation was probably much closer to what I said than to what you said.

[Monet X Change]

I disagree. And, of course, you know, you always have all this footage that you have that you could probably.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Again, I said, I'm not gonna get it.

[Monet X Change]

I said, I'm not gonna look. You always have this footage. Like, last night, there's this video you're gonna show me. We were at the studio. You're like, it's somewhere. I'll find it later. You always have this footage that never, never materializes. So I have it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The footage is here.

[Monet X Change]

It's par for the course.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I mean, do you want me. You want me to see the footage now? You want to Texas.

[Monet X Change]

It's far for the course.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you want me to text you right now?

[Monet X Change]

You do whatever you want to do. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just out of observation. That is par for the course. With this. With this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, how do you remember the situation happening?

[Jacob]

Yeah, I feel like it was a challenge when I was like, if you can steal it, go for it. You're welcome to. I bet you can.

[Monet X Change]

Or Jason, Jacob's gonna, of course, is gonna corroborate your story. Of course.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Of course he'll cooperate every time. Well, Jacob and I cooperating because we have pretty good memories together.

[Monet X Change]

No, because y' all are in cahoots. Y' all literally lay in bed together and think about conniving in sneaky ways to disenfranchise me.

[Jacob]

No, and you're not wrong.

[Monet X Change]

I. I know. I'm aware.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we. And you've been bested every time. And still, like dust, you fall. Have to be a short episode, y'. All.

[Jacob]

Did you just make that up?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Still like dust you fall. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it was, like, one of my. One of my bangers, I think.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Jacob]

That sounds like truth. Pressure, ground will sprout.

[Monet X Change]

Whatever.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I took. Well, basically, it's my Angelou's reverse.

[Monet X Change]

Still, like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Still like dust, I rise. And I was like. But also dust fall. Can I just say, I never really understood why she said still like dust I rise because dust falls. I think dust rises when you rustle it.

[Monet X Change]

But when you make commotion or when you, like when you're commotion, dust, the dust does rise. I think that's. I think that's what the point is. Like when you are a disruptor and you make.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But then it falls.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but it rises first before it falls. I think. I think we want to focus on the positive of the, of the. Of the analogy then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, she says air too. Because air. Air can rise and keep going up and up and up and up and up for heat. Heat rises, and it doesn't really fall.

[Monet X Change]

Still, like heat, I rise. Now, you trying to edit Maya Angela's words.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, she's not beyond reproach. Has that video of Maya Angelou basically telling that girl, like you have. You are not allowed to call me Maya. No, she's on Oprah. And this lady's name. Hey, Maya. To Oprah.

[Monet X Change]

Huh? She said it to Oprah. Don't call me Maya.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, she was on Oprah.

[Monet X Change]

Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this girl from the audience like, hey, Maya. And then. And Maya Angelou was like, I can't remember. She's basically like, you can't call me Maya. Like, you don't have permission to call me Maya. You can call me Dr. Angelou or Ms. Angelou, but you do not have permission to call me Maya. Do you agree with that?

[Monet X Change]

Um, I think that people can ask people to refer to them how they want to feel comfortable. Maya Angelou is. She can. She can request you. Do you address her how she wants to be addressed, whoever you are? And I don't think that's incorrect or that's unfair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you feel about people being like, if you're under a certain age, you have to call me this, and if you're over certain, you get to call me that. Like, if you're over this age, you can call me Maya, but if you're under this age, you have to call me Ms. Angela.

[Monet X Change]

I think for your body and your. Where you are allowed to do that. Yes, I think she's 100 right to do so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And what about people who don't respond to it? What are they allowed to do with their bodies?

[Monet X Change]

I think that they're.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're allowed.

[Monet X Change]

They. They are allowed to say whatever they want to. Now, if she. No, but Maya Angelou gets to choose if she interacts with you, if you do not obey the rules that she said for her name or how she wants to be referred to by your age, then she also has a Right. To not. To not respond to you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree. That's how I grew up. Basically. When I'm from. We call people older than us Ms. Blank and Ms. That and Mr. Blank and Mr. This. And people younger than you. I mean, there's a few. I have one. I have two uncles that I call by their first name, but that's just because of how young they were when I. When we're so close in age.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is like 45, 46. Oh, really?

[Monet X Change]

He's that young?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Oh, wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's in his 40s. Well, like, when I. When John came to live with us, he was 16. I was nine.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's pretty close. That's the same. He was the difference on you and who, Sean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We. We're. We're basically the same age. Not basically. That's. That's. That's not even close to being the same age. But we were close in age. Or. As my Aunt Hazel is in our 60s.

[Monet X Change]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Late 60s. I don't know how mon Hazel is. I should probably know how mon Hazel is. I have. I have. I have, like. I have, like, 14 uncles and aunts. I cannot remember everyone's ages.

[Monet X Change]

I have three and I can't remember.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can't remember three of their. You know their birthdays are?

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who in your family's birthday do you know?

[Monet X Change]

Pretty much everyone. My grandma is November 20th. My aunt is April 3rd. My other aunt is April.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know everyone's birthday?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Why is that crazy?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You better than me. I know my birthday, my mother's birthday. Say again?

[Monet X Change]

Why is that crazy?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What?

[Monet X Change]

Say. Why is that crazy?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's just too many people. I know. That's too many people. I know my birthday. I know my mother's birthday. I know Camion's birthday. I know Nevaeh's birthday. I know your birthday. I know Jacob's birthday. I know Tao's birthday. I know Ezra's birthday. I know Meryl Streep's birthday. Meryl Streep, Layla McQueen, Cyndi Lauper. And I know. I think I. I think I know Mateo's birthday.

[Monet X Change]

I know my aunts. I think I know my aunts. I know yours.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

July 21st.

[Monet X Change]

No, no, in June.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

June 28th. June what?

[Jacob]

28Th.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, I don't know it.

[Monet X Change]

I know yours. I know Jacobs. I know my three aunts. I know dejuan's. I know Arcia's. I know Kamekas. I know Jay defeos. I know my grandmother's. I know my mom. My dad. I don't know my birth father's birthday, though. I know my biological mother's birthday.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know my father's birthday. It's in June.

[Jacob]

Do you know Patrick's birthday?

[Monet X Change]

I know Patty's birthday. Bob, do you know Patty's birthday?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's Patrick's birthday?

[Monet X Change]

October 1st.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I just told you. Everyone. I just. I just told you every birthday. I know.

[Monet X Change]

I'm pretty good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I got one of them wrong.

[Monet X Change]

Tyrone's birthday. No. Arcia's birthday.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's Patrick's birthday?

[Monet X Change]

October 1st.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

October 1st.

[Monet X Change]

Correct. Oh. Oh. I know Beyonce's birthday.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know. I just don't know his birthday. I just don't. Who's.

[Monet X Change]

I know Beyonce. I know Britney Spears.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you know Taylor's.

[Monet X Change]

Taylor Swift?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Taylor O'Rear. How are you remembering these birthdays? This is insane.

[Monet X Change]

I just. I. I don't know. I just. I just know them. I also weirdly know, like, I know your number by heart. I don't know. Why? Because we've never been in a time where I have to dial your number. The numbers I know by heart are the ones I had to, like, remember to dial before. I guess. Not before, but anyway. But I. I randomly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When is Taylor's birthday?

[Monet X Change]

What?

[Jacob]

When's Taylor's birthday?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know Taylor's birthday.

[Jacob]

Oh, I thought you said you didn't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't even know what month Taylor's birthday's in. And he just told me yesterday.

[Monet X Change]

Like, you're numbered.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I don't. You can I get. I believe you.

[Monet X Change]

They gotta be.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's wrong with you? You crazy?

[Monet X Change]

They gotta bleep it out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I believe you. Do you know my note?

[Monet X Change]

I'll see y' all later.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was crazy. No, I do not know.

[Monet X Change]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do not know your phone number at all.

[Monet X Change]

You're such a fake friend.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't. I don't even know the first three numbers.

[Monet X Change]

You're such a fake friend.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can probably guess one number, your phone number, and I would just be guessing. There's probably a one in there.

[Monet X Change]

Maybe not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is there a one? Did I. No. Yeah. I. I do not. I do not know your phone number. I will never know your phone number.

[Monet X Change]

Wow. My feelings are hurt.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that's. That's. That's your feelings. That. That's yours to deal with. I will not take your hurt from you people. I've. I've learned in life people will knock you down to have their pain. I will not take your pain away from you.

[Jacob]

Can we say something to end this on a happy note? A nice note? Do you want to say something kind to each other.

[Monet X Change]

Though?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right.

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