The One About Icons

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sibling Rivalry - "The One About Icons"

Episode Information:

• Title: The One About Icons
• Release Date: August 6, 2025
• Hosts: Sibling Rivalry (Monét X Change & Bob The Drag Queen) along with Studio71 & Confetti Cannon

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Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of Sibling Rivalry, hosts Monét X Change and Bob The Drag Queen delve into the concept of what makes someone an icon, particularly within the realms of pop stars and drag queens. The conversation is both analytical and humorous, showcasing their infectious chemistry and comedic prowess.

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Defining Icon Status

The episode begins with the hosts pondering the elusive nature of "icon status." They aim to establish a measurable system to determine what elevates a performer or artist to iconic status.

• Bob The Drag Queen: "I think my contributions to the drag community, specifically, I think it made me iconic. I think that I move about the world as an iconic person, and I try to embody that. Yeah, I'm a thick icon." ([03:11])

Monét X Change and Bob The Drag Queen engage in a discussion about various renowned figures in the drag and pop music scenes, assessing their iconic status based on perceived contributions and achievements.

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Building the Icon Metric

The heart of the episode revolves around creating a point-based system to quantify icon status. The hosts collaboratively assign points to different accolades and achievements, debating their relative weights and implications.

Award Categories and Point Allocation

1. Grammys:

   • Initial Proposal: Each Grammy worth 15 points. ([26:27])
   • Final Decision: 15 points per Grammy win.
   • Additional Criteria: If an artist wins more than 15 Grammys, an additional 30 points is awarded. ([43:43])

2. Oscars:

   • Pop Star Oscars: 20 points awarded for a music-related Oscar. ([26:05])
   • Acting Oscars for Musicians: 15 points, acknowledging crossover achievements. ([30:10])

3. Tonys:

   • Performance Tonys: 25 points each, recognizing excellence in Broadway and theater performances. ([41:03])

4. Emmys:

   • General Emmys: 10 points each, reflecting achievements in television. ([36:21])

5. Other Awards:

   • MTV Awards, BET Awards, SAG Awards, Golden Globes, GLAAD Awards, Critics Choice Awards: Each worth 5 points. ([42:31])

6. Sales and Chart Performance:

   • Selling Out Madison Square Garden: 5 points per sell-out. ([56:50])
   • Stadium Tours: 30 points per stadium tour. ([46:22])
   • Billboard Number One Songs: 5 points plus 1 additional point for each week at number one. ([50:02])
   • Number One Albums: 10 points plus 2 additional points for each week at number one. ([51:57])

7. New York Times Bestseller: 1 point, acknowledging literary success. ([43:14])

Notable Discussion Points:

• Bob The Drag Queen: "Grammys and Oscars should equally be 15 points. They are the pinnacle of each thing." ([29:40])

• Monét X Change: "I feel like a musician getting an acting Oscar should be worth more icon points because they're doing it out of their thing." ([30:24])

• Jacob (Co-host): "Our metric is complicated. This is not some simple basic big metric." ([37:15])

The hosts emphasize the complexity of creating a fair and comprehensive metric, acknowledging that different fields may require tailored point allocations.

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Applying the Metric

To test their newly established system, the hosts apply it to real-world artists to assess its effectiveness and identify any necessary adjustments.

Case Study 1: Troye Sivan

• Awards:
  • Grammys: 0 wins
  • Oscars: 0 wins
  • MTV Europe Music Awards: 2 wins
• Sales and Chart Performance:
  • Billboard Number One Song: 1 song for 2 weeks
  • Number One Album: 1 album for 1 week
  • Stadium Tour: 1 stadium tour

Point Calculation:

• MTV Awards: 2 wins × 5 points = 10 points
• Billboard Number One Song: 5 points + 2 points (for 2 weeks) = 7 points
• Number One Album: 10 points + 2 points (for 1 week) = 12 points
• Stadium Tour: 30 points

Total: 10 + 7 + 12 + 30 = 59 points

Monét X Change: "Choice Rival is 45 points away from being an icon." ([61:03])

Conclusion: Troye Sivan is 45 points short of achieving icon status based on the current metric.

Case Study 2: Weird Al Yankovic

• Awards:
  • Grammys: 5 wins
  • Oscars: 0 wins
  • MTV Europe Music Awards: 11 wins
• Sales and Chart Performance:
  • Billboard Number One Albums: 1 album for 1 week
  • Billboard Number One Songs: 1 song for 1 week
  • Arena Tour: 15 points

Point Calculation:

• Grammys: 5 wins × 15 points = 75 points
• MTV Awards: 11 wins × 5 points = 55 points
• Billboard Number One Song: 5 points + 1 point (for 1 week) = 6 points
• Billboard Number One Album: 10 points + 2 points (for 1 week) = 12 points
• Arena Tour: 15 points

Total: 75 + 55 + 6 + 12 + 15 = 163 points

Monét X Change: "He is just 14 points away from being an icon." ([63:24])

Conclusion: Weird Al Yankovic surpasses the initial icon threshold of 100 points, solidifying his status as a pop icon within this metric framework.

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Challenges and Adjustments

Throughout the application of the metric, the hosts encounter several challenges:

• Mathematical Errors:

  • Jacob: "We both have obviously made some ridiculous math blunders regarding weeks and years." ([51:45])
  • Bob The Drag Queen: "I think we just lowered it from 100." ([60:24])

• Metric Refinement:

  • Realizing the initial 100-point threshold was too high, the hosts consider lowering it to make icon status more attainable. They debate the fairness and comprehensiveness of the point allocations, especially concerning overlapping achievements and cross-field accolades.

• Finalizing the Points System:

  • Grammys: 15 points per win
  • Oscars: 20 points for music Oscars, 15 points for acting Oscars by musicians
  • Tonys: 25 points per performance Tony
  • Emmys: 10 points each
  • Other Awards: 5 points each
  • Sales and Chart Performance: Detailed as above

Monét X Change suggests that awards should be points without overcomplicating the metrics with multiple subcategories, aiming for a balance between inclusivity and precision.

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Conclusion and Future Directions

The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on the efficacy of their newly established icon metric. While they've made significant strides in quantifying icon status, they acknowledge the need for further refinement to address complexities and ensure fairness across diverse fields.

• Monét X Change: "I feel like we're waiting. I guess in pop it feels like Grammys are maybe weighted too high, but maybe not." ([67:50])

• Bob The Drag Queen: "Let us know if y'all agree with this measurable system. I think there are some flaws in it." ([67:35])

The conversation hints at future episodes where they plan to explore metrics for other domains, such as drag icon status, further expanding their analytical approach to fame and influence.

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Key Takeaways:

• The hosts embarked on a collaborative effort to define and quantify "icon status" using a point-based system.
• They meticulously assigned points to various prestigious awards and sales achievements, adjusting as they tested the metric's applicability.
• Through their examples, they demonstrated both the strengths and limitations of their system, emphasizing the subjectivity inherent in defining an icon.
• The episode balances analytical discussions with the hosts' signature humor and playful banter, making the topic engaging and relatable.

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Notable Quotes:

• "I think my contributions to the drag community, specifically, I think it made me iconic." – Bob The Drag Queen ([03:11])
• "Our metric is complicated. This is not some simple basic big metric." – Jacob ([37:15])
• "Weirdo has more Grammys than some of Your favorite pop stars." – Jacob ([62:53])

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Final Thoughts: Sibing Rivalry's "The One About Icons" offers a unique blend of humor and insightful analysis as the hosts navigate the complexities of fame and legacy. Their attempt to create a measurable system for icon status is both entertaining and thought-provoking, inviting listeners to engage with the concept in a structured yet fun manner.

Transcript

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm Monet x Change and this is Sibling Rivalry. On this week's episode we find out how many international drag race queens we know.

[Jacob]

We decide what makes a pop star.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

An icon and we find out what made Bob say this.

[Jacob]

We both have obviously made some ridiculous math blunders and we found out what made Monet say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nigga you not manipulating mean motherfucker.

[Jacob]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Jacob]

Are you an ice cream icon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think so.

[Jacob]

You Think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Icon. Icon. Can I get an icon? I think so.

[Jacob]

What makes you iconic?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think my contributions to the drag community, specifically, I think it made me iconic. I think that I move about the world as an iconic person, and I try to embody that. Yeah, I'm a thick icon. That is true. I am definitely. Jacob just showed a picture of my merch that says, baby, I'm a thick icon. I'm definitely a thick icon, for sure. I will always. I. I don't care If I lose 100, 100 more pounds, I will always be a thick icon, period.

[Jacob]

Is Jinx an icon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think Jinx is definitely iconic.

[Jacob]

I mean, look at what makes her iconic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think her contributions to drag and honestly, and making such a splash in the way that she has on Broadway, her. Her show at Carnegie Hall, I think all these things are lending. Are lending themselves to her status as an iconic queen in history.

[Jacob]

Is Bebe Zahara, banana icon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Of course, she's the first one to Drag Race. You can't get much more iconic than winning the first season of one of the greatest reality show competition. Reality competition shows of all time.

[Jacob]

I'm gonna keep going until I get to someone who you say is not an icon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who do you think is an icon?

[Jacob]

The game where you ask me if someone is an icon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you think Nathan Raj is an icon?

[Jacob]

Oh, 100%. Ra' Jah is an icon. Down. She is. I've said this before. Ra', Jah, in my opinion, understands fashion better than anyone who has ever been on Drag Race. This includes judges, this includes queens, this includes cameramen. This includes everyone. She understands fashion, in my opinion, better than pretty much anyone who's ever been on that show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're staying at the Virgin Hotel in New York.

[Jacob]

Are you doxxing me?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you gonna be. You're not gonna be there by the time this releases. Why do you care?

[Jacob]

You don't know where I'll be. I might be back. And I'm not at the Virgin. I'm at the Slut Hotel. No one here's a virgin, honey. All sluts here, honey. So is Troye Sivan an icon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Troye Sivan? I don't know if he's icon status yet, especially. I think icon has to do with your field, right? Like Troye Sivan. I don't think he's an icon in his field as of yet. I can't think of many. Okay, that's not true. There are some male pop stars, but, like, present day, first of all, there aren't a lot of male pop stars I can think of.

[Jacob]

But you might be able to name 10 male pop stars off the top of your head.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No way.

[Jacob]

They don't have to be present day. They can just be in general.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, in general, I'm talking about present day. I think if present day I could name fucking 50 female ones. I can maybe think of only two male pop stars currently, which is so crazy. Like, I feel like the male pop star kind of just dwindled physically.

[Jacob]

If Troye Savon was here on this podcast, would you look him in his face and tell him he's not an icon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Oh, so you bad. Cause I'm bad. I'm bad. I'm bad. You're a badass.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Huh?

[Jacob]

Is Charlie X Max an icon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Jacob]

So just two uniconic people just touring together, doing msg. Uniconically.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Correct.

[Jacob]

Just at Maskeware Garden. Completely uniconically. So what do you have to do in their field to become an icon? Because the bar seems lower for people who aren't in their field. It seems like it's easier to become a drag queen icon than it is to become a pop star icon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, our community is so small, right. I think that drag queens. Obviously, there are a lot of drag queens, but in terms. I mean, I'm very curious what the numbers are when you look at the drag queen community. How small is our community? Is our community small? I feel like it's small. But I mean, I was.

[Jacob]

They're probably more. Actually, I would know. When I think about pop stars versus drag Queensland, there are so many of us. There's 600 of us out in the world just from. That's just from drag race. So lamente Drag race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, but, but, but, but, but. I mean, but not all drag queens are like. Yeah, but then, then, then I think the ratio you're looking for at is like drag queens versus, like, there are a lot of singer, singer, dancer, Singer types. They may not be pop stars yet, but they are because not every drag queen is, you know, some. Some queens are local queens who have no aspirations of being global or whatever. So ratio is more of drag queens to singer dancers, which I think the ratio, we're still way. They're way less drag queens than singer dancers out there.

[Jacob]

So what does it say? What does a singer, dancer. What does a pop star have to do to become iconic? I'm gonna see if Troye Svon is iconic in your. By your metric.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. I haven't given it much thought, to be honest.

[Jacob]

Well, I mean, But. But, like, there's gotta be something. There's gotta be some litmus. It doesn't have to be set in stone. Just trying to find out. This is not a gotcha. I'm just trying to find out if.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, I know. I know you're not. I'm just saying I haven't. I'm literally thinking about it a lot.

[Jacob]

He's done movies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've never. I've never thought about this.

[Jacob]

Yeah, he's on major movies. He was in X Men Origins. He was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. He played Young Wolverine, like, year. Like, he was like a baby. Right?

[Jacob]

He was in Trolls Band Together.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, how old was he when he did. When he did Wolverine?

[Jacob]

It was in 2009, and he's 29 now. So this is 20 years ago. So nine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, what?

[Jacob]

It was. It's. No, 2005. It's not 2009. It's 2005. It was in 2009. He is 29.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, wait, he said in 2005. 2025.

[Monet X Change]

He was 13.

[Jacob]

Thank you. I said. I said it's 2005. It was in 2009. He is 29.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is not 2005.

[Jacob]

No, it was in 2009. It is 2025.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There we go.

[Jacob]

He was 29.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You were just adding. You were adding a whole year. Everybody. Everybody's confused. So you're like. So you're like, it's 2022. I went to the store in 2023, and I moved to New York. Well, nigga, what?

[Jacob]

So he's been in. He's been in major motion pictures. Would that be something that would contribute to icon status?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

[Jacob]

Okay, let's look at any awards he's won.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, for example, is Iggy Azalea. Azalea Banks an icon? I think that she's made iconic music. So I would say, is it an icon? But Aelia Banks does not have a lot of critical acca. Critical accame. Critical acclaim.

[Jacob]

She doesn't have any critical cocaine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She probably has a lot of that.

[Jacob]

He's got YouTube Music Awards. He's got GLAAD Awards. He's got ARIA Music Award, MTV Europe Awards, Shorty Award. I don't know what that is. Teen Choice Awards.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is. This is. This is low key. Just our diva conversation. We're just saying the word diva to icon. You see, in ballroom, they have a metric to measure these things. They literally have legends, state stars, icon legend, statement stars. Like, they have. And I was. So. I had Deshawn Wesley on my on when they talked to me, talking about that. And, like, there was, like, a metric that you like. You talk about how people get there. I feel like maybe we need to take. Take some tips from ballroom and. And. And give some metrics of how we measure divas and icons.

[Jacob]

So we're. Yeah, so. So we're trying to build the metric now. So do you have to have awards to be an icon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would say so you have to.

[Jacob]

Have an award, but I see it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you see kind of like diva, I think. Iconic. Just like a feeling.

[Jacob]

So what award do you have to have, though?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know, but I'm just saying.

[Jacob]

I don't want to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know if you have to have an award, but I kind of like diva. It's like a feeling. Like someone just feels like an icon, not diva.

[Jacob]

We're talking about icon. Because if it's award.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know. I'm judging by the same thing.

[Jacob]

I know, but I'm just saying, if it is awards, if it's the big four, you're going to kick Nicki Minaj out of the icon status. The big four, egot. If the awards is one of the big fours, you're gonna kick Nicki Minaj out of the icon status. Also.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who decided. Who decided the EGOT thing?

[Jacob]

Like, when did that become a thing on 30 Rock?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

30 Rock? The show? The Tina Fey show.

[Jacob]

Yeah. Tracy Morgan's character. One, I think. I'm pretty sure the term EGOT was coined by the writers who wrote this character. And he had. He's going toward EGOT status. He wants to be an egotist. I'm pretty sure Jacob can look it up, but I'm pretty sure that's where it came from.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

EGOT is a relatively new thing then, because the third rock was what, maybe 20 years ago? If that. 15.

[Jacob]

Yeah. They weren't saying he got in the 70s, in the. In the fucking 40s.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I thought it was older than that. I thought it was, like, from, like the 80s. Like, I don't know.

[Jacob]

I'm not 100% sure. I'm almost positive that it came from 30 Rock. With the episode where Tracy Morgan was trying to build an EGOT and get EGOT status. I'm almost positive Jacob's looking it up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That seems so random. The term EGOT referring to. No, the term EGOT referring to winning an Emmy. Grammy was coined in the late 19. In the. In the late 1984 by actor Philip Michael Thomas, who expresses desire to achieve this feat after rising to fame from his role In Miami Vice. Yes. It's from the 80s.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. It's a couple of things. That's when it was first, like, mentioned. But 30 Rock was responsible for bringing it into public culture and knowledge. So people weren't really talking about egots. Actors weren't trying to, like, quote, unquote, get an EGOT until 30 rock kind of brought the concept and the thought of it back.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it.

[Monet X Change]

So they didn't create it, but they popularized it.

[Jacob]

Ross Hernandez has coined the term cuigat. When you get a queerty Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony, and there's a pea got. When you get a Peabody, Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony, and then there's a knee got. When you were NAACP Image or Nobel Prize winner, I was gonna go, really up there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wow. So they're saying the NAACP Image Awards are. They don't mean nothing.

[Jacob]

I think that a Nobel Prize carries more weight than NAACP award work. And honestly, I don't even. I don't think anyone would debate me on that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

Unless you're trying to debate me on that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I literally said the question. You answered it. Got it.

[Jacob]

What do you think?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And so NAACP Image, the question.

[Jacob]

What do you think?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bob said y' all wore this. He don't want one.

[Jacob]

I mean, if. If my options are to get that or. Or Nobel Prize. I mean, I don't know what you get Nobel Prizes for, like peace and science and literature and humanitarianism, but I think that's the peace prize. So I'm certainly not getting a science award anytime soon. I'm sure not getting any peace awards anytime soon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You definitely won't get any peace because you are. You are causing anarchy and chaos.

[Jacob]

I don't want. It's not something women in my family aspire to. Anyhow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Peace isn't. Got it.

[Monet X Change]

Congeniality, physics, chemistry, physiology, medicine, peace. Not you. Or maybe. Or literature.

[Jacob]

I could maybe get a literature Nobel award one day, maybe. Who are some recipients of literature Nobel prizes? Nobel Prizes for literature. Who are some of the recipients?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think Maya Angelou is. And I think Toni Morrison is.

[Monet X Change]

See, I do not know any of these people.

[Jacob]

Oh.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jacob]

Sorry to this man.

[Monet X Change]

I can pull up the list of names. I have not heard of a single one of these people. I'm so sorry to this man.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is one of kikiwan. That shit is so funny. I am sorry to this man. I do not know who this is.

[Jacob]

Wasn't it. Wasn't it Tyler Perry, too?

[Monet X Change]

Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan won for literature in 2016.

[Jacob]

Got it. Bob Dylan has one. So okay, so are awards part of icon status?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think they're a contributing factor.

[Jacob]

So which awards? Which awards?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think if you are a singer, right. Maybe a Grammy contributes to icon status. Okay. I think that awards can further. I think awards can place you there, but they're not the only determining factor, if that makes sense. Right. Like maybe it's. Maybe you have won nothing else and you just win a Grammy. I think that makes sure. Because so many. So few people have won Grammys. Right?

[Jacob]

Who. I think winning. That's not true. They give out so many Grammys every year. In terms of people win Grammys, there are more Grammy winners than there are Drag Race winners. It is. I'm going to arguably say you are more likely to win a Grammy than you are to win Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, but that's. But that's skewed because you only want to win a. Only way to win Drag Race, because there is to be a drag queen and there are literally.

[Jacob]

And to be on RuPaul's Drag Race, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's such a. It's such a. That is such a what? Probably less than fucking 1% of the population. Whereas there are way more than that. Making music and who try to win Grammys.

[Jacob]

Like, it's just to win a Grammy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Say it again.

[Jacob]

You don't have to make music to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Win a Grammy or a comedy album or whatever. It is. Like you have to make your book you can win for an audiobook. Right? So you're adding. So. So the number of people you have added to win Grammys, it is astronomically more than people who are drag queens.

[Jacob]

I agree. So what I'm saying is I. I do think that statistically people are more. All I'm saying is, statistically you are more likely to win a Grammy than Drag Race. You actually, you are more likely to run into a Grammy Award winner than you are a Drag Race winner. In fact, on the last tour, I did not the last tour, but on the Madonna tour, there were more Grammy winners than there were Drag Race winners.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who won. Who won drag. Who won Grammys on her thing?

[Jacob]

Madonna won a Grammy. And one to one, you and Madonna and her. Her. Her sound design, Lauren. Her. Her sound producer also won a Grammy for working on SZA's album.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, actually, but on some nights, no. Cause on other night, it was you, Violet, and What's that girl name? Trixie.

[Jacob]

And you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, so sometimes it was literally, it was one to one.

[Jacob]

But also, I'm not sure who else won a Grammy because I didn't know that Lauryn had two Grammys. Two Grammys until, like, halfway till like, our last month, it was when the Grammys happened, I was like, oh, my God, Congrats, you won a Grammy. And she was like, it's my second Grammy, actually. And I was like, oh, shit. I don't even know who else there had a Grammy. Hell if I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you also don't know who else won Drag Race.

[Jacob]

I know. Unless one of these international girls show up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Say if an international girl role, then you have no idea who she is. Dani Beard is like, hello, hello, hello, babes, it's me.

[Jacob]

I would know Dani Beard. If I saw her, I'd be like, is that a Sister of Perpetual Indulgence, or is that Danny Beard?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So somebody's talking to her. It's literally one to one. Dragon Su.

[Jacob]

But they were. But we were often outnumbered by the Grammy winners. Never did the Drag Race winners outnumber the Grammy winners ever. Not once. And amongst them, they have more Grammys than we have Drag Race crowns. Because each of. I think Madonna has three Grammys, and she has. And Lauren has two. There were five Grammys on tour with us.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that's because. Jinx, cuz. Jinx. If Jinx was there, honey, she would have. She would have. She would have. She would have won.

[Jacob]

Oh. Cause she had her two crowns. I would say she should do a photo shoot with her hair and two buns and a crown on each side. I don't know why she didn't do that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that's what you want to do. That's what you told us you wanted to do if you wanted to take a time. So why. Why try to put your.

[Jacob]

I'm never gonna do. Go back and do it. So I'm like, she. Someone should. Someone should do it. There's only one person right now who could do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bob, give it the idea that you had that you wanted to do. Doesn't even seem like Jinx.

[Jacob]

Yeah, no, it doesn't. Or just have a two tier system. A crown and then another hive and then a crown on top of that one. But I think she should do a cornrow. Probably. I think that. Okay, so we're gonna play a game.

[Monet X Change]

Where we take a break. Sorry, we just take a break.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Jacob]

We're back. So Jacob was wrapping up himself. He was the only one talking. Talk about something.

[Monet X Change]

I'm going to name a drag queen and you're going to tell. Tell me if this is a queen who I have made up or a winner of an international season of Drag Race.

[Jacob]

Oh, God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. They're going to be mad girl. Here we go. Sorry to this woman.

[Jacob]

Here we go.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Spinky Jackson.

[Jacob]

Spanky Jackson. Want to show you I'm down under.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Work, work.

[Monet X Change]

Velvet Mirage.

[Jacob]

You made that up. Okay, great.

[Monet X Change]

How about Paloma won.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She won Drag Race.

[Jacob]

Italy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mexico. She won Drag Race, though.

[Jacob]

Tell us, Jacob.

[Monet X Change]

She did she was France.

[Jacob]

France.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Also, it's Paloma.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, let's do Vanity. Vein.

[Jacob]

Are you. Are you at the Italian restaurant being like. Is that you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I say brusquette, and Mateo was like, yes. Thank you for saying. I'm like, you're welcome. But are you.

[Jacob]

Are you at the Italian restaurant? Someone's like. Or even like. No, not Italian restaurant. Are you at Domino's when someone. Can I get extra mozzarella? Are you like mozzarella?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, don't do that. But if I'm at an Italian restaurant, I will pronounce it with an Italian pronunciation.

[Jacob]

All right, go ahead, Jacob.

[Monet X Change]

Vanity Vane.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. One Drag Race.

[Jacob]

What does she win?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know where, but I've seen her Vanity.

[Jacob]

She won Canada. No, that's. That's. That's. That's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's Priyanka.

[Jacob]

That's Venus. I was thinking Venus. What did she win?

[Monet X Change]

She did. Oh, this is bad. I'm so sorry, but I'm from. For.

[Jacob]

This is.

[Monet X Change]

I'm very un. The sea. It's sparage. It's another country. I forget what country that is, because it's like, the name. It's the country's name for themselves, but it's not like what Americans call them. So now I need to. Sweden. She won Drag Race. Sweden.

[Jacob]

You did not spell it at all. You didn't spell it even a little bit. You just. I just googled it. I'd be like, wait, Jacob, don't. You're, like, the answer. All right, wait, so we got it so far.

[Monet X Change]

You know a lot of these girls. You're doing great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Fake.

[Jacob]

Wait, what's her name?

[Monet X Change]

Katara? Rami?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Fake. I ain't never heard that name before.

[Jacob]

I haven't heard it either, but. But he said it so fast. I'm gonna say fake, too. I'm gonna. I'm gonna piggyback off Monet.

[Monet X Change]

That was fake. Dragzilla Jones.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's a trick question. She's Dragula.

[Jacob]

Is that true?

[Monet X Change]

No, this isn't a fake name.

[Jacob]

I wouldn't know if Dragzilla Jones won drag. I would. I would have heard about Dragzilla Jones by now. That is a very funny name, though.

[Monet X Change]

Precious. Paula Nicole.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Fake.

[Jacob]

That's a real drag queen. But she hasn't won anything.

[Monet X Change]

No, she was the winner of Drag Race, Philippines season one.

[Jacob]

Got it. All right, give us two more.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, how about.

[Jacob]

Let's see, two more.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Two more. She's a. That's a drag.

[Jacob]

That's a drag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Look. Queen. Too. Tumor.

[Monet X Change]

Captivating. Cat. Cat. No, no, I thought that was Philippine Season 2.

[Jacob]

You better work captivating cat. Cat, you better work. Cap to the evading cat. Cat to cat to the Cap to the baiting cat.

[Monet X Change]

Cat.

[Jacob]

I said a cap to evading cap. Cat to cat. Cat to look at me. I'm the cat. Cat. I said a cap to cap. Cap to cap to cap. Cap to cap to cap. Tony.

[Monet X Change]

Finally we have Tyra Spinks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is a queen on Drag Race.

[Jacob]

I don't believe this one. No, this is a lot.

[Monet X Change]

No, this is. She's not a queen for Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Tyra Spanx. That's a good drag name, though.

[Jacob]

I like that. I think. So we were gonna. I think I'm gonna. I'm gonna suggest that we change our topic. I think that right here during this episode with Jacob' Build the metric for icon status, we will assign points to certain accolades and we will say there's a certain number of points you have to reach to become an icon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But is it. Are we doing it per field? I think, like, what makes you comedic. A comedic icon is different than what makes you.

[Jacob]

We all agree. So which. So maybe there can be a general icon and then specific ones. Okay, so let's start with pop stars. Let's start with awards. If you have a. If you have a Grammy, in my opinion, that should be worth. Each Grammy is worth. So let's say you have to reach. You have to get a 100 to be. Let's. Let's set the thing. To become an icon, you have to get a 100. Let's just say that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

And then in my opinion, to be. To. If you win a Grammy, each Grammy you have is worth 10 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think 20. I think 20.

[Jacob]

Each Grammy's worth 20 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For example, that year, that fucking. A couple of them right walking are there with five Grammys. That is. That is like that.

[Jacob]

That.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because there's one like every Grammy season of that person holding the five Grammys like this. That. I think that is iconic. That's. That to be fair, if you.

[Jacob]

If you can get five Grammys, you're probably going to hit every other metric easily. Every other metric is going to be a cakewalk for you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like if. Like, if Kendrick Lamar did nothing else, he just. His only claim to fame.

[Jacob]

Kendrick Lamar was not going to say Catherine Omar. I was like, who the hell is Katherine Omar if he didn't do anything else?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, last year was his first year he ever put out a song. It was they not like us. And it did what it did. Bitch, you're Iconic. That is iconic.

[Jacob]

So you think Billie Eilish is iconic on her first album?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that album was great. Is that I'm a bad. That's that album, right?

[Jacob]

I'm, I don't. I, I think I'm almost positive it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And she had, she had this, she had this picture.

[Jacob]

She had that picture. Yeah. I think she won five Grammys that year. Or four. How many did she win for bad guy album, Jacob?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I'm looking. Give me a second.

[Jacob]

Okay, so let's, let's, let's settle at 15 because 20 might be too much because then you're going to throw so many people into the, into status.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, 15. Okay.

[Jacob]

Okay. So Jacob, please write that down. Every Grammy is worth 15 icon points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's 75 points. If you get five, how much is.

[Jacob]

A, is an Oscar worth?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think the same thing.

[Jacob]

I think an Oscar's. I think for me, for a musician, an Oscar is worth 25 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But then, but then you change it. So then for an actor, it's worth what, 20?

[Jacob]

No, we're going, yeah. For actors, it's gonna be for less. Because it is. I think just because there are so few musicians who win Oscars, they give out like, what, one for album, one for song.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But what about a musician doing an acting role? Like when Jennifer Hudson won it for Dreamboat?

[Jacob]

That goes towards your acting points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Jennifer Hudson is a musician. So she gets a Grammy's 15, but she wins an Oscar because she was. But she's a musician because she was acting. Now that's 20 instead of 25.

[Jacob]

It's complicated. It's a very complicated system we're making. It's a very complicated system or you just giving general Oscar points because to win an Oscar for music, in my opinion, just what I'm seeing is, and by the way, I've never done this, but it seems way harder to win an Oscar for music because you're competing with every song in every film that's nominated. Whereas, and it's just one category for all the songs. It's not like the hip hop movie in the country movie. And then the, the, the, the, you know, it's not like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do they do that for. They do. Like, like. But when you do, like best act, they don't have, they don't have, do they have subcategories like best actor in a, in a country movie, Best actor?

[Jacob]

No. Which is what I'm saying is harder because you're competing with every musical genre within one. That's why we had Dolly Parton versus three Six Mafia, the year that Hustle and Flow won.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But that's the acting, too. That's why you have Terrence Howard versus whatever in an acting role. Like, it's still like you still. You're always going against every other genre, though.

[Jacob]

But. Yeah, but no, that's not necessarily true because there's. They break it up to, like, animation. They break it up into short. They break it up into. I don't know if Oscars does. They don't do drama.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, right. It's not like drama, comedy, horror.

[Jacob]

But they're also gendered, so they break. So the Grammys are not gendered.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right. Which they should, I guess. They shouldn't. Should. I think.

[Jacob]

I don't think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They should add a. They should add an NB category.

[Jacob]

I just feel like there's no need to, because you have. You have non binary Grammy winners already.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm saying. But I feel like there should be an NB queer category. I feel there should be a queer. Because queer music. I mean, again, I mean, I don't want to further separate us, but I.

[Jacob]

Just feel like, I mean, tell that to Sam Smith. Tell that to Elton John. Tell that to Janelle Monae. Tell that to, you know, all these people. Anyway. Okay, so do we want to keep. So do we want to give more points specifically for music Oscars, or do we want to just give one point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For Oscars, one point for Oscars?

[Jacob]

Bear in mind, we're working on pop stars right now. We're not talking about actors working on pop stars. We're talking about pop stars right now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that Grammys and Oscars should equally be 15 points. They are the pinnacle of each thing.

[Jacob]

Okay, well, Jacob, I need you to weigh in on this, because I think that a music Oscar should be worth 25 points, and Monet thinks it should be worth 15 points. What do you think? Again, we're talking about pop stars here.

[Monet X Change]

I would keep it a music. I feel like a music Oscar, maybe. Honestly, I guess I would settle it and I'd say it would be 20. So we.

[Jacob]

How do you feel about that? 20. 20 points for, for, For a musician to have an Oscar?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sure. Okay. But if the, if, if, if it's specifically a music Oscar as opposed to an acting Oscar, right?

[Jacob]

Yeah. I mean, are there a lot of musicians with acting Oscars actually realty?

[Monet X Change]

I feel like I would do it opposite where I feel like a musician getting an acting Oscar should be worth more icon points because they're doing it in the category out of their thing.

[Jacob]

That's valid.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, wait, no, but I'm thinking saying, like, as an. As an actor, right? Like Jennifer Hudson or Cynthia Reeval has an Oscar, right?

[Jacob]

Yeah. No, she doesn't. She. That's the one she doesn't have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

Yes. Two nominations, no Oscars.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right. So, Jacob, you're saying 20. 20 points if Jennifer Hudson wins a music Oscar or Jennifer Hudson wins an acting Oscar because she's a musician.

[Monet X Change]

If Jenna. If Jennifer Hudson wins an acting Oscar because she's known for music, which is what she has.

[Jacob]

Okay, now, to be fair, Cynthia Rivo is a. She sings. But I think we know Cynthia Rivo as an actor. I think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ah, splitting hairs. I would call a singing actor because I think. I mean, a lot of us met Cynthia A. Revo on Broadway. So, I mean, I think that's literally. That's right in the middle.

[Jacob]

It's fair to say that all of us met Cynthy Revo through acting. No, I don't think there's any of us who met her, and it wasn't through acting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, Broadway singing and acting.

[Jacob]

But Broadway is acting, though. Broadway is about acting. Now, if you want to go to, like, a concert, that's one thing. But Cynthia Revo. We know Cynthia Rivo because she's an actor. That's why we know Cynthia Rivo. We know. We know Jennifer Hudson because she's a singer and she acts.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think Broadway's a little different because I feel like if Cynthia Rivo did not have the voice that she has.

[Jacob]

That'S what everyone on Broadway saying.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, they just slapped herself in the face of the bike.

[Jacob]

I mean, it touched my lip. Did it make a big noise?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. I'm in white talking. It sounds like a fucking cartoon.

[Jacob]

No, it was just that. But not everyone. Not everyone. Not everyone on Broadway sings, though. You can get a Tony without singing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know, but I'm saying. I think that the reason why Cynthia has had the impact that she has is because of that voice. Like, her voice. I think her voice makes us care that she's such a good actress. Actor.

[Jacob]

I would venture to say that she is her. I would venture to say that it's specifically her acting, because there are lots of people on Broadway who can sing as well as Cynthia Revo. But her acting is so phenomenal. Like, her acting is really what puts her in this, like, different tier. Because everybody on Broadway singing. Let's be honest, half the folks on Broadway are singing. A lot of these pop stars under the table. Let's keep it A buck. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And that is true. That is true.

[Jacob]

But I think these Broadway girls are singing these actors under the. These. These pop stars, these Broadway actors are singing these pop stars under the table. But because Cynthia Revo is such a good actor and a good singer, I think that is where her Tony comes from. Because there are people who go on Broadway who sing really well, and they do not get Tonys. They do. Tonys are specifically given for your acting. It's how you act the song. That's why you get a Tony.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think.

[Jacob]

I think you sang well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it's a little chicken egg.

[Monet X Change]

I think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think if Cynthia was a great actor, which, I mean, if she is and she didn't have the voice, she would not have the acclaim that she does. And maybe that's because we're. That's because we're. The two of us are so different in how we perceive those two arts that we. That's why we weigh them differently. But I think if Cynthia had the same acting chops that she had and she had a subpar voice. Black. Anyway, moving on.

[Jacob]

So, for example, like, for example, no shade. But this is why people were not as impressed with perform. When a lot of these pop stars go into acting roles or go on to Broadway, they're not impressed. Even if they're really good singers, they're like, we came to see acting. If we just want to hear you sing. What about take us to your concert. We are here to see you act. You are in a play. We need to see acting. We need to see acting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, we complete the name. Who are you talking about? I need a reference.

[Jacob]

This is tons. This is tons of. When I say don't, I just mean, like, in general. Like, like, who's the guy from that band? He. He played Jesus Christ Superstar. He played Jesus Christ. Anyway, Christian Bale Slater. No, that's. That's from Save by the Bell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, Christian Slater is an actor. Slater is. Is just A.C. slater. It's from say by the Bell. Christian Slater is an actor.

[Jacob]

Oh, got it. Okay. But it happens a lot. A lot of these pop stars come over to Broadway and they can't act. And we're like, we don't care that you can sing. We wanted to see you act, bitch. Anyway, we're getting track. Track. We need to get back on. Back on track. So we are going to say, let's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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Cmc mobile.com okay, so we're gonna give out 20 points for a, for an Oscar in the pop star category.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

And if it's an acting Oscar, are we giving more or no?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it should be okay. Yeah, I think, no, I think, I think it's 15.

[Jacob]

What do you get if you have a Tony?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think a Tony is in my.

[Jacob]

Opinion, if a, if a pop star gets a Tony, that's worth a lot of points because not a lot of pop stars have Tony. I can't. I'm trying to think about pop stars who have Tonys specifically for performing, not for producing. No shade Jennifer Hudson. But what pop star has a Tony for performing?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, also I now, now what we're doing, we're doing all these curves and all these exceptions. I feel like an award should be a thing like yes, we acknowledge something's harder, it's easier, but an award should just be a point. Cause now, now, bitch, we over here doing a Tokyo Drift. We just took.

[Jacob]

It's a complicated thing. This is not some simple basic big metric. Our metric is complicated. You can't just sit down and go the point for the don't be.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, but we have other metrics we're going to do right. People who have sold out. Masculine guard. We have the other Mexican.

[Jacob]

We're going to get there. I'm going to do my list by myself because you're irritating me. I think that a Tony for a pop star, like can you name one pop star with a Tony just with a performance Tony girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't even name regular people. I know, I know Cynthia Riva has a Tony and Audrey McDonald. That's all I know. But I don't.

[Jacob]

Those are the only two Tony winners you can name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm trying to think of who else you can't name.

[Jacob]

Idina Menzel.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I.

[Jacob]

You can't name Jennifer Holiday.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jennifer. I didn't know Jennifer Holiday won the.

[Jacob]

Tony for you can't name Andre the show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did she want it for Dream Girls? Yeah, got it. And Adina wanted for Wicked.

[Jacob]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did Kristin Chenoweth win as well?

[Jacob]

I think they're up for the same award. So I don't. But Kristen does have a Tony. But not. But they were up for the same award. I think Jacob can verify that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Jacob]

They were.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, they were competing against each other.

[Jacob]

And I didn't want.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know that they would do that because then the Oscars. Right. Ariana and Cynthia aren't competing. So do they give a Tony for best Actress? Okay, question.

[Jacob]

The Tonys are gendered.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're gendered. And do they do supporting and main like the Oscars?

[Jacob]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it. So they were both the main for Wicked.

[Jacob]

Lead. Yeah, lead.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But then. But in the movie they're not.

[Monet X Change]

It's Oscar strategy. They could both be technically. But they. They where they realize it would be easier. It's less competition. So if they enter Cynthia for actress and Ariana for supporting, they both have a better chance of both winning. And for part two, they're actually flip flopping it. So for part two, Ariana will be nominated for best actress and Cynthia will be nominated for best supporting. But also you have an equal shot at both the both of those Tony.

[Jacob]

You also have a chance to win two Oscars as opposed to just the one. So you spread it out over. So they could have potentially won two Oscars.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right, right, right, right.

[Monet X Change]

And this is also a theory. This is not confirmed but I do believe we're getting original Songs for part two as well. So they also should both be nominated for best orig for those Oscars.

[Jacob]

Since you don't. I was. I'm going to give you this. Since you don't care much about the Tonys. Let me have this, and I'll let you go back and adjust something at the Grammys. So I think that a Tony for a pop star should be worth 25 points. And you. Do you want to go back and adjust the Oscars? I mean, the Grammys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. I think Grammys are flat. They're going to be 15. 15? Yes.

[Jacob]

You said 20 before.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, Jacob said 20. I said 15. No, no, you said 25. I said 15. Jacob was like, oh, let's do. Do it at 20.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Jacob]

Oh, so. So. So, Jacob, what is our point for a Grammy? Are you writing these down?

[Monet X Change]

I am. You said. We said you.

[Jacob]

Oh, you. You were muted. You were muted. What. So what are the points. What are the points for a Grammy?

[Monet X Change]

15.

[Jacob]

What are the points for an Oscar?

[Monet X Change]

You have not told me Oscars yet. I assume we were doing 15 as well. You only send an Oscar for music, so Oscar is.

[Jacob]

I. I said it should be 20.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I said 15.

[Monet X Change]

You should have used to be 20. If a Grammy. If. If we're talking about a pop star. You said it.

[Jacob]

So this. We're doing the pop star metric. So it's 50 Oscar. 20 if you get an acting Oscar.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, that's what I change. I said, no, it should be 15.

[Jacob]

No, I said you can do the Grammys, not the Oscars.

[Monet X Change]

You were talking about music Oscars first. So Bob was saying it should be more if they get a music Oscar. And I was saying it should be more if they get an acting Oscar.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, but then. So then. So then I didn't change. So grammys were always 15, and so I didn't get to change my thing. So you get to change Tony's, but.

[Jacob]

You can change the Grammys to 20. Back to 20 if you want. That's what I'm saying. You can change the Grammys to 20, which is your original idea.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, but we settled on Grammys. Grammys will settle. So you. You don't get to give me Grammy. I get to choose what I get to do. You get to do Tony's. I get to choose what I get to change. Nigga, you're not manipulating mean motherfuckers because.

[Jacob]

You love music and I love acting. So I assumed I would do the Broadway thing and you would. It was an offer, Jes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, well, your offer Is blocked.

[Jacob]

I would say rejected, but sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You ever just touch a nibble to make sure it's still there?

[Jacob]

No, my nipples are too sensitive for that. So go in. So, okay, so, Jacob, what is our Grammy point? Scene 15. And what are the. And what? And since Monet is the queen of the Oscars, what's our Oscar, sis? Monet. You wants a flat 15 for Oscars?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Jacob]

I'm gonna make my own metric off of this. And for the Tony Awards, I think a Tony should be 25 points. Okay, but it has to be a performance Tony.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So a producing Tony is what, 15 points?

[Monet X Change]

Just to be clear, I don't think there are any pop stars who have become famous as a pop star and then done Broadway and won a Tony.

[Jacob]

I don't think so either, which is why I think it's such a big deal. Okay, okay. Okay. And the last one is an Emmy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Emmy. I think Emmys are 10. Um, I think Emmy's a 10.

[Jacob]

10. Cause you have so many.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Huh?

[Jacob]

Cause you just have so many.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Emmy should be 10. We think emmys should be 20.

[Jacob]

We can do 10. 10 for the emmys. And I'm gonna go ahead and say, any other awards like a MTV Award, a BET Award, NAACP Award, or a GLAAD Award, Critics Choice Award, are each worth a five points. Critic Choice Award, five points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What about sag? Golden Globes, five points work. SAG is like the next one.

[Jacob]

Sag, I said what I said no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or Golden Globe. I can't remember which one is important.

[Jacob]

I said what I said.

[Monet X Change]

They're both equally important in different ways. I think Goldman Globe has more weight to it. Technically, I think we consider it higher. But I think technically speaking, sag, actually, I feel like matters more because it's voted on by other fellow actors instead of these other awards that feel. Feels like kind of like a faceless. Like who? You know?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jacob]

I'm gonna give being a New York Times bestseller one point, because if you're famous, you're probably gonna become a New York Times bestseller. Okay, I'm gonna give it one point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

And don't diminish your accomplishments. We can give it 10.

[Jacob]

No, no, that's only one. I'm gonna give it one more.

[Monet X Change]

Crazy bag. That's crazy.

[Jacob]

It's one point. It's one point. It's one point. And okay, so now that we've done the awards and the accolades, we need to step into sales. Oh, oh. Can I add one more caveat to the awards? Just specific to the Grammys, if you get more than 15, that's an additional 30 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you get more than 15, what?

[Jacob]

Grammys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

That itself is an additional 30 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. Okay.

[Jacob]

So then now we're moving on to, to sales.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sales.

[Jacob]

Like, like, like Billboard, stuff like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. I think if you. Oh, I guess, I don't know. This counts as hell. If you sell out Madison Square Garden, that's. That's five points.

[Jacob]

Five points. Okay, so you get five points for selling out Madison Square. Now what is it? What is selling? I met like, for example, let's say Charli XCX and Troye Sivan were there together on their joint tour. Are they splitting those points?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I think that's. They both get five points.

[Jacob]

They each get five points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

So what about me and Madonna? My name was on the marquee.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Y' all were not cold headlining, baby. That was Madonna.

[Jacob]

My name was on the marquee.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're not co headlining with Madonna.

[Jacob]

We co hosted.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're not both.

[Jacob]

I'm just trying to find out what the metric is. I'm saying is my name was on the marquee and I is listed as her co host. No, that counts for nothing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Okay, you get, you'll get half a point.

[Jacob]

Half a point for getting my name on the marquee of five sold out shows.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's half a point. Okay, I'll give you one point and.

[Jacob]

I deserve it also for them.

[Monet X Change]

Is it is you. Do you just get the five points for selling at Madison Square Garden once or every time you sell the Garden, it's five points.

[Jacob]

Every time you sell it out, it's three points. Because some people do it so many times, but then some people move on and never come back.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Five to three. Why are we going down to three?

[Jacob]

Because some people like, some people do it so many times.

[Monet X Change]

I just feel like Madison Square Garden is such a strange metric because like, if you think about like there are people who are like, who.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it's something that people strive.

[Monet X Change]

Ever sold out. I guess if we're comparing, like, okay, that's fair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

People strive like to say, like, I sold a Madison Square Garden. That's like a thing like that. Like that's a thing is because it's New York. Like, it just is what it is.

[Jacob]

I'm gonna go ahead and say if you have an. Or if you have a, an arena tour, it doesn't matter if it's sold out or not having an arena tour itself is worth 40 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

40, girl. A lot of people do arena.

[Jacob]

How many girls do how many pop stars do you know have arena, not stadium tours. Arenas.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Arenas are smaller than stadium. Stadium is.

[Jacob]

Oh, arenas are bigger than stadium.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Arena.

[Monet X Change]

Arenas are small.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Stadium is the big one.

[Jacob]

The stadium. Yeah, the. The one out. The outdoor ones. That's worth 40 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I would agree with that. Stadiums are huge. Arenas. No.

[Jacob]

So having an. So having a stadium tour is worth 40 points. I would say every single tour. 30.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would say 30.

[Jacob]

Every single stadium tour is worth 30 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What?

[Jacob]

Like every show, every tour. Every time you go on tour in. In a stadium, you do the stadiums. Not like. Not like you do a bunch of. Then you pop up in. Every single stadium tour is worth 30 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, what's the metric? So what if. What. What if they had 10 dates, nine of them with stadiums and one.

[Jacob]

No, the tour. The tour. So Renaissance. That is 30 points. Cowboy Carter. That's 30 points. The tour is 30 points. Not the shows.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm saying, but. I'm saying, but sometimes. But sometimes you do a stadium where you have to pop out into one. Like, for example, work the world. We did a stadium tour.

[Jacob]

That's not a. That's. No, that. You did a stadium show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, we did. We did. We did a stadium in. In Germany, in London, in Barcelona. What.

[Jacob]

What stadiums?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We did Wembley Arena. We did the one in Germany. I don't know. I don't know what the fuck it's called. And we did one in Barcelona. So three of our dates are stadiums. So do I get five points?

[Jacob]

That's not a stadium tour. That's a tour where you popped out and did some stadiums.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A.

[Jacob]

All stadium tour. You guys did the Wimble arena, the one with the big open sky?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. No, half of it was curtained off, but we still did it.

[Jacob]

No, it has to be all stadium tour. Not pop out and do a stadium. All stadiums.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think I should get at least one point for doing one of those stadiums. Just like. Just like you got a point for.

[Jacob]

Yeah, I didn't do one. First of all. I did 82 of them bitches.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Honey, you did have the stadium arenas.

[Jacob]

No, I did 82 arenas. My little. That wasn't me popping in one day at msg.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, but we said. We said specifically Madison Square.

[Jacob]

Go. What's your name on the marquee? But what's your name on the marquee?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What? When we did the. When did we do the stadiums? Yes, we were all.

[Jacob]

Your name. Your name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, we were all on there. Mona X change. Naomi Smalls Z.

[Jacob]

Then you get a point for that. But Then we'll offer you the same point. You offered me half a point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I gave you one.

[Jacob]

You get one point then. Well, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But stadiums are bigger. You didn't do. You didn't do stadiums. You did an arena. So I get. Stadiums are bigger than arena. So I get more than one point.

[Jacob]

I've done the biggest fucking show for a solo artist in the history of fucking concerts.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But they all were not stadiums, though, is my point. They were not all stadiums.

[Jacob]

So let me. Let me be clear. We're not working on UMA points. We're working on actual pop stars. Okay, now let's talk about Billboard number one. Number one song is going to be worth 10 points. Number one album, 15 points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now, are we doing it based on the amount of weeks, for example? Right?

[Jacob]

So like, maybe you get an additional two points for every week.

[Monet X Change]

Can we go back? What. So what is our final number for selling out a Madison Square Garden or stadium tours?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Selling on Madison Square Garden just on its own. We said that that was going to.

[Jacob]

Be five points every time we do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Five points.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, and then for a stadium tour. What's. What's our. I think that we come to a number.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

30. 30.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Jacob]

And again, we're a tour. Not popping out and doing one. Yes, the tour. So Billboard number one song versus album.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is. Okay. Billboard number one song, we said is how many points?

[Jacob]

I would say it should be five points and then one additional point for every week you're on there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if it's a number one for one day, that's five points.

[Jacob]

They go by week. I don't think it by day.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it was. It was there for.

[Jacob]

That's five points. If you're there for two weeks, you get six points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We said it's two additional points. That'll be seven points.

[Jacob]

No. Maybe. So you think two points a week or one point a week is good?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think one point a week.

[Jacob]

So one point a week. So five for the song, just for making it. And one point for every week you stay up there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because just like bitch, Lil Nas X1 is iconic. Just for Old Town Road.

[Jacob]

I mean, that is iconic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is. He was. It was like 400 something weeks, right?

[Jacob]

No. 400.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

400.

[Jacob]

That's like two. That's like three years.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that's right, though.

[Jacob]

No, it was not no more for like three years. Monet. That's crazy. I can't do it. I think it was there 152 weeks in a year?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Jacob]

How many weeks are in a year? What was 4 times 12. 48 weeks in a year. Wait. 48 weeks in the year. Wait for. Wait. Okay, Monet, first of all, let's, let's, let's, let's clear. Let's clear this up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, let's clear. How many weeks in a year?

[Jacob]

Bob, how many years is 400 weeks? Because I want to know how long you think Lil Nas X. How many years is 400 weeks? Do you think. You think that Old Town Road was the number one for seven and a half years? Wait, beep, beep. Since you want to make fun of me. You think Old Town Road was the number one? A bit more for seven point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you know what? That's crazy. But at least I didn't think a year has 150. That is exactly what that is.

[Jacob]

Well, it is crazy that you thought that Old Town. That you. That you thought that 7, 400 weeks was not 7 years. Anyway, we both have obviously made some ridiculous math blunders regarding weeks and years. Obviously.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's 19. It was. It was 19 weeks was number one.

[Jacob]

What about albums? A number one album, I would say it's double. So album is 10 and each week is two.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, I'm into that.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, SZA. SZA is an icon, honey.

[Jacob]

So let's go on to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I always knew that.

[Jacob]

So, okay, so we've done. So are there any other metric we should be doing? We've done sales, we've done awards, we've done Billboard.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think we did all the things.

[Jacob]

We'Re not gonna do. TV appearances for pop stars.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no. Now for actors only.

[Monet X Change]

Are you reading dance skill and talents and performances.

[Jacob]

No, because that's.

[Monet X Change]

Because somebody.

[Jacob]

Because that's like, subjective.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but what about actors? So actors.

[Jacob]

I mean, so now we're moving on to actors.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. So what do you.

[Jacob]

So based on that metric, let's find out if Troye Sivan is an icon.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, sorry. VMA Awards.

[Jacob]

We already figured out VMAs. GLADS, BET, NAACP, Golden Globes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You put a VMA and, And Golden Globe and the Sack. Just think that's crazy.

[Jacob]

They're all the same to me. Not that I have any of them. I don't have a single one. But, you know, what about a Peabody? I would give a Peabody. Could be two or three. Three points for a Peabody.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Two. Two and a half. Two and a half. Let's meet a little two and a half.

[Jacob]

No, that's the end of the half. Just do two. I'm not doing no half points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why? That'll give us no That's a two and a half.

[Jacob]

Okay, two and a half.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why you want to try to make.

[Jacob]

Math hard for people? Did you see I just struggled through how many weeks were in a year, Bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lucky. Lucky for you we got a Wade doing it. AKA Jacob. What's the sitch? Wade.

[Jacob]

So, okay, so wait. So wait. Okay, Jacob, we need to find out if Troye Sivan is an icon based on the metric that we have agreed upon.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, this is gonna take me a while to. I mean, I. This is just gonna be a lot of math and, like, googling things.

[Jacob]

We can all. We can help you out. You don't have to do it by yourself, baby.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You.

[Jacob]

You have. You have people here to help.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You.

[Jacob]

Can also. Also, we can.

[Monet X Change]

We can start. So we're gonna start with Grammys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, I'm writing it down. How many Grammys does he have?

[Monet X Change]

And someone should put up a calculator. I got the numbers.

[Jacob]

I got the calculator.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'll do the numbers. Bob, you're right. We cannot trust you with numbers.

[Jacob]

I can do the calculator. I do. It's a calculator, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

Are nominated. Do we count nominations or just awards?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Just the awards.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, this man has no Grammys.

[Jacob]

Or should we give one point for nominations? No, you don't get any points for nominations.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Jacob]

Not even one?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Jacob]

Damn cold as. I think each egot nomination should be worth one point. Egot, not nomination should be worth one point. Deal.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Fine.

[Jacob]

Okay. How many nominations does he have? You like Grammys? You like. Still not Grammys.

[Monet X Change]

Is three.

[Jacob]

Okay, three. I'm ready.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, next we have Oscars. And I also. He does not have any Oscars.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

All right, next we have Tony's. We don't have any Tonys here. Next we have Emmys. We do not have any Emmys here.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, next we have SAG Awards, and I don't think we have SAG here as well. Let's see.

[Jacob]

Do you have an MTV Awards?

[Monet X Change]

Yes. MTV Europe Music Awards. Two.

[Jacob]

Okay, and we. Those each worth one point?

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, those are five. We said those are all five.

[Jacob]

They're five points. Did we say that, Jacob?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not the big three. The big four. Like Tony's. Those are all.

[Jacob]

I mean, so he has 10 points now. So that's an additional 10 points. Okay. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Great. And then we have. Well, now there are other awards that I can list as well.

[Jacob]

Like.

[Monet X Change]

Like the Australian. He has the equivalent of, like an Australian Grammy. No, the Australian Recording Industry Association Music Awards.

[Jacob]

No, we're not including that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One. That's crazy. So a nomination for what? The big four is a point. Winning at Australian Grammy zero.

[Jacob]

You vetoed the nomination? No, we didn't veto. Okay, so then. Okay, how many points is the Australian Grammy? Monet? Tell me how much it is. Okay. How many of those does he have, Jacob?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Four.

[Jacob]

He had four points. Okay, okay.

[Monet X Change]

And what about the Australian Music Awards? It's a separate one. A separate one?

[Jacob]

One point each. How many?

[Monet X Change]

Okay, two. Okay, okay. So that's. That's. Those are our award points.

[Jacob]

He has 19 award points.

[Monet X Change]

Now we're doing Madison Garden being sold out. And let me look into that.

[Jacob]

And him and Charlie both get five points each for this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, we talk about Charlie.

[Jacob]

And also I'm gonna go ahead and throw Barclays in there, too, because Barclays is. I would say it's not as prestigious, but it's. It's as impressive, I think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, but I think we keep it to MSG because then. Because then we can look at other impressive venues around la. The fucking crypto bitcoin arena.

[Jacob]

I think we just. Okay, okay. Don't fight me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's an msg.

[Jacob]

Take a little click in the clock in it. So far. He's like a little hacker.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, yeah, because, you know, he puts a mic on his keyboard just for this effect.

[Jacob]

Well, yes.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, okay. So he has not played Madison Square Garden. They did play Barclays for Barclays for that tour.

[Jacob]

Yeah. Monat gets no points for Barclays. Monet said nothing for Barclays.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, let's give it to him.

[Jacob]

Okay, so that's five. How many times they sell it out?

[Monet X Change]

Let me look.

[Jacob]

Oh, wait. How much is it? How much is a stadium tour worth?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think they did a stadium.

[Jacob]

So there is a stadium. Barclays is a stadium. Barclays Arena.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He did.

[Jacob]

What's the smaller place?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Arena hit an arena tour.

[Monet X Change]

Arena is smaller.

[Jacob]

How much did an arena tour worth?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think we said we only.

[Monet X Change]

We only had number for stadium tour, which is 30.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's say 15.

[Jacob]

15 points. Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and give him 15 points just for having a stadium tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right, arena bitch.

[Jacob]

Whatever, bitch. The small one, he gets 15 points for that one, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, but. So you get a point for arena and also for the tour.

[Monet X Change]

But he was doing with Charlie. So are we splitting it?

[Jacob]

Because we've agreed to give them both the points, even though I don't give a short.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're doing it for. So they're getting points to sell at Madison Square Garden, AKA Barclays. And also for the whole arena tour as well.

[Jacob]

An arena tour is worth some points and a stadium tour is worth some points. Having the tour. Because we're giving points just for having a stadium tour tour. So we should give points for having an arena tour, in my opinion.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, yeah. Oh, Barclays is listed as a stadium, as an arena.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, yeah, it is there. Bobcats.

[Jacob]

Okay, great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Saying the wrong thing by accident.

[Monet X Change]

Gotcha.

[Jacob]

I may do it on purpose to confuse you all.

[Monet X Change]

So they did one day at Barclays, but. So that's the 15 for stadiums, 15 for arenas. Yes, yes.

[Jacob]

Then how many do you get for selling out? 5. Money.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that what it is? 5?

[Jacob]

Yeah, for selling out. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Billboard number one. Let's see.

[Jacob]

This little typing is taking me out.

[Monet X Change]

According to my searches, he has not had a number one.

[Jacob]

Damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Damn.

[Jacob]

All right, so based on our status, he is approximately.

[Monet X Change]

Let me see. Oh, no, no. And I don't think an album as well.

[Jacob]

So our choice of mine is 61 points away from being an icon.

[Monet X Change]

We're talking in main charts because, like on dance and electronic, we have hit number one.

[Jacob]

Those count? Yeah, those count. So how many number ones do you have?

[Monet X Change]

Okay, let me. Let me look a little bit more.

[Jacob]

Make me sweat, make me hotter, make me lose my breath in this water. Is our metric too tough?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said it was too tough.

[Jacob]

Okay, maybe we just lower it from 100. What do we bring the number down to?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Apparently you want to bring the number that choice of Hong Kong will win. So I guess make it 40.

[Jacob]

30. No, I just want to know. I just want to know what's fair. I just want to know what's fair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think we. I think.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, as number. It was number one for two consecutive weeks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

Okay. So how many points for making the number one?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We said for the album was five. Album was ten.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

So it was a song on album.

[Monet X Change]

It was a song.

[Jacob]

So five. And then plus.

[Monet X Change]

And then the album. The album was also number one for one week as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

Six points for the song and then for making it another week, and then plus 10 points for the album at one week. So Troy Sivan has 55 icon points.

[Monet X Change]

And let me also just say if I got any of this data wrong, I'm so sorry. I've been looking this really quickly on the fly. I'm fairly confident in my results.

[Jacob]

So choice divide is 45 points away from icon status. All right, now, Monet, pick a pop star. We're going to. We're going to. We're going to. We're going To. We're going to grade them.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[Jacob]

But like, a cuspy one. Don't do, like, Madonna, Beyonce, Katy Perry. They're obviously going to be. They're obviously going to hit it. Pick someone who, like, might get by the skin of their teeth.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let me look at my most recent ads.

[Jacob]

Let's do. Can we do SZA?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, SZA's absolutely an icon.

[Jacob]

All right, let's do scissors. All right, Jacob, you ready for SZA?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

100%.

[Monet X Change]

All right, we are gonna start with Grammys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She has four wins, I think.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, let me look. Sorry. Let me pull her up. Okay. Grammys, five wins, 26 nominations.

[Jacob]

And how many points is that? Wait, how many? Wait, how Many? How many?

[Monet X Change]

26 plus a win is 15 and a nomination. I think we're giving one.

[Jacob]

What's 15 times five?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

75. She's. She's. She's already just in Grammys.

[Jacob]

SZA is an icon, so SZA has reached icon status. So let's do. Let's do. Let's do Rihanna.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rihanna. Yes, she has. Yes, I think Rihanna has five Grammys too, altogether. Or maybe two or three. She has five or three or one.

[Jacob]

Actually, I have a fun one. This is me. I have a fun one. Because we know you're going to be asking. I have a fun one. Let's do Weird Al Yankovic. Oh, that's a RuPaul. Let's do weird Al. Weird Al would be great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know Weird Al. I don't know any of his stuff.

[Jacob]

We're gonna find out if Weird Al's is a pop icon. Okay?

[Monet X Change]

Five Grammy Awards and 11 nominations.

[Jacob]

Wait, hold on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's. Now it seems too easy.

[Jacob]

Wait, so Weird. Now Weird. So weird Al has five wins. That's. That's 75 points. How many nominations?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

11. 11.

[Monet X Change]

So that's 86 altogether.

[Jacob]

So he. He, girl, he is just 14 points, 14 points away.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that all his. He has nothing else? Doesn't he do anything else?

[Jacob]

I'm just saying he's 14 points away already. Why is everyone calling me right now?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Girl, three people call me too.

[Jacob]

Jesus Christ. All right, so let's go. Any, any, Any Oscars? Grammys?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, looking. I don't see any Oscars or Grammys.

[Jacob]

How about number ones on the Billboard?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, let's see. Sorry, it thought. It's not giving.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why? Why year down year, why Weird Al Yankovic?

[Jacob]

Well, I. I chose him because he actually, he has more acclaim than people realize. He does. Weirdo has. Has more Grammys than some of Your favorite pop stars.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, let me see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's. He's a parody guy, right?

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know.

[Monet X Change]

He had an album for number one on the Billboard 200.

[Jacob]

So that's. That's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't understand Billboard. Why, if you're on 200, would you not be on the. On the. On the 100?

[Jacob]

If you're number one, you're definitely on the 100.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Say again?

[Jacob]

Maybe they used. Maybe they used to call the 200 back then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. No, I hear it still. Like, it was number one on the. On the. On the Hot 100 or the Hot 200. I'm like, isn't it the same list?

[Jacob]

Yeah. I don't. Fucking girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

I don't know. But he. So. And how many. And how long was it there? Just one week, I think.

[Monet X Change]

Just one week. Yes.

[Jacob]

Weird Al is now four points away from icon status.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, he's. Because he was 86. The 10 points is for the album, so that's 96. Well, another. And, and, and. And. And one point. So 97. He's three points away.

[Jacob]

What's that? 1.4.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Two weeks, right?

[Jacob]

Oh, it's two weeks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel that's what Jacob said.

[Monet X Change]

No, I think it's just one week. It's a little.

[Jacob]

Anything.

[Monet X Change]

Sorry. I guess it just says number one. It doesn't say what we. I need to do more to figure out.

[Jacob]

And I'm almost positive that Weird Al has done at least four tours. At least an arena. At least a stadium tour or whatever the small one is. Oh, yeah. Weird Al is huge, Monet. He's huge.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is a song of his? I would know.

[Jacob]

He did Like a Surgeon instead of Like a Virgin.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think I've ever heard any of that.

[Jacob]

He did Fat instead of Bad. He did Amish paradise instead of Gangster's Paradise. He did Pretty Fly for a Rabbi.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When I tell you I never heard any of these songs.

[Jacob]

He also. He also does a polka pokorama every year. He does, like, a polka mix of all the pop songs. Not every year, but he used to do poker remix of all the songs. He also did Trapped in the Drive through instead of Trapped in the Closet.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So I believe it was just on for one week.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

And if I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

[Jacob]

So do we. Do we. And do we have any. Say any small. Whatever the smaller venue is. Tours? Yeah, like, bigger than. Bigger than theater tours.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What does the theater tour count for? One point.

[Jacob]

No points. Wow, that's gonna be no points for me.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. The mandatory world tour hit 100 cities worldwide.

[Jacob]

And how many points is that again?

[Monet X Change]

Was it arenas, though?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Arenas.

[Monet X Change]

This seems to be a mix like Israel.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He.

[Monet X Change]

Let me. Let me find. Exactly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We did arenas or arenas worth 15 points.

[Monet X Change]

Is the Hollywood Bowl. What are we counting that as Hollywood.

[Jacob]

Bowl is an arena, it's 15 points.

[Monet X Change]

What about the Greek Theater?

[Jacob]

The Greek Theater.

[Monet X Change]

It looks like this tour was a theater tour.

[Jacob]

The Greek is. Yeah, the Greek is about 6 to 8,000 seats. The Hollywood bowl is about 12 to 15,000 seats.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think he's done Narina Tour.

[Jacob]

Damn. He's four points away. He could. He could have been. He could have. He must have a number one single. He must have a number one single. He must. But Weird Al is only four points away. He's so close.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it.

[Jacob]

And I'm sure someone's gonna be like, actually, Weird Al did the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, can y' all comment below if y' all like this metrics. This, this, this, this.

[Jacob]

But he's almost. Weird Al is almost a pop icon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let us know if y' all agree with this measurable system. I think there are some flaws in it. I think we can figure some stuff out.

[Jacob]

We agreed on it together, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

I feel like we're waiting. I guess in pop it feels like Grammys are maybe weighted too high, but maybe not.

[Jacob]

So Monet, next time you and I will sit down and we'll find out. Maybe in a month or two we'll figure out what makes a drag icon.

[Monet X Change]

Well, we'll see what the response to this episode is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

First, a dragon.

[Jacob]

Yeah, that's why.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right. Bye.

[Jacob]

Bye.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You say you'll never join the Navy, that living on a submarine would be too hard.

[Jacob]

You'd never power a whole ship with nuclear energy, Never bring a patient back to life or play the national anthem for a sold out crowd. Joining the Navy sounds crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Saying never actually is.

[Jacob]

Start your [e-mail] America's Navy forged by the sea. You say you'll never join the Navy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Never climb Mount Fuji on a port visit or break the sound barrier.

[Jacob]

Joining the Navy sounds crazy. Saying never actually is. Learn [e-mail] America's Navy forged by the sea.