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Sibling Rivalry Podcast

Episode: The One About Nepo Babies

Date: September 24, 2025
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change

Episode Overview

In this hilarious, lively, and thought-provoking episode, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change dive into the concept of "nepo babies"—children of celebrities or prominent figures who benefit from family connections in their careers. Using pop culture examples and the drag world, the duo debates the impact of nepotism, whether it’s fair, and how it plays out in both the entertainment industry and their own lives. Interwoven are discussions about education, personal anecdotes, and uniquely Sibling Rivalry comedic roleplays.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Florence Foster Jenkins & The Power of Privilege

Bob introduces Florence Foster Jenkins, an infamously untalented but wealthy early 20th-century opera singer, as an early example of someone using wealth and connections to gain access to success.
- "She wasn't very talented. But she had a very rich husband who would pay for her to have all these amazing opportunities to sing at Carnegie Hall..." —Monét (06:13)
The conversation leads to whether her story is inspirational for following your dreams, or just an example of privilege.
- "She used what she had to get what she wanted. She believed in herself even though other people didn't." —Bob (07:17)
They explore how money and support can allow access others could only dream of, sometimes irrespective of talent.

2. Drag Race and Nepo Babies in Drag

Are there “nepo babies” in Drag Race?
- Monét and Bob discuss the impact of proximity and connections among drag artists and whether it translates to success or opportunity on RuPaul’s Drag Race.
- "I think the proximity and knowing someone from preseason could help, but I don’t think that’s an automatic thing." —Monét (24:56)
They note examples of queens benefiting from house or drag family ties, e.g., Sam Star using Trinity’s runways, but agree it’s not the sole ticket to Drag Race stardom.
The discussion expands into what really makes a “nepo baby”: having opportunities or outright being given positions because of the famous parent/family connection.

3. Defining “Nepo Baby”—Where’s the Line?

Both hosts offer definitions:
- "I think a nepo baby is someone who is using nepotism to get a leg up, specifically in terms of entertainment...using your connection to someone who has more fame and clout..." —Bob (23:45)
They debate cases like Tracee Ellis Ross and Rhonda Ross Kendrick, questioning whether one can truly separate their achievements from their parents’ influence.
- "To acknowledge that someone is a nepo baby does not take away their merits and talents. It's just saying because your mother is Judy Garland, you probably had it a little bit easier." —Bob (26:49)
Discussing the impossibility of Malia Obama ever fully separating her own work from her father’s identity, even when she tries using a different last name.
- "Anytime Malia Obama goes for a thing...baby, real quick, we know who your parents are." —Bob (09:09)

4. Personal Views: Is Helping Your Kids Wrong?

The hosts agree that helping your children isn’t inherently bad, especially if you have resources.
- "As a parent, I don’t think it’s a bad thing to help your kid. Especially when you have the position in life." —Monét (33:19)
Example: Madonna involving all her children in her world tour ("riddled with her kids" —Monét, 32:28) and Beyoncé supporting Blue Ivy's artistic pursuits.
They reflect on whether parental support crosses the line into problematic nepotism, vs. just being a supportive parent.

5. Educational Nepotism & Paying for Art School

Extended roleplay with both hosts acting out parental-child scenarios over funding education in the arts vs. "practical" careers (40:00–44:47 & 47:09–49:11).
Bob’s stance: Wouldn’t pay for art school; questions financial ROI and wants to see children pursue something with guaranteed returns, willing to support lessons privately.
Monét: Argues the value of formal art education, especially in fields like opera that require structured training and peers for growth.
- "I learned in college how to be an artist, not just how to sing." —Monét (35:13)
Both recognize the rarity of making a living in the arts, but Monét defends the worth of the journey regardless of financial windfall.

6. Success Rates & the Reality of Arts Careers

Jacob and Kane share post-college career outcomes among their peers, confirming only a handful find steady work in their chosen art fields (54:44–55:34).
The conversation returns to the importance of networking in college, but also that most students—whether in the arts or law—don’t always end up working directly in their fields.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“There are some problematic things, Amir.” —Monét (02:13 promo)
“Invest every dollar you have in me.” —Bob (02:20 promo, also echoed in roleplay at 41:55)
On giving kids an advantage:
- “You realize that clip on The View where Monique was talking to Barbara Walters…‘my kids ain’t no goddamn creatures!’” —Bob (32:50)
On art school vs. practicality:
- “I would pay for my kids to go to college but not for them to go to art school. Like if you want to be a photographer, I would pay for private lessons...” —Bob (34:09)
- “I learned in college how to be an artist, not just how to sing…that’s a valuable experience.” —Monét (35:13)
- “If it is a job that I believe could return an investment, I will pay for it.” —Bob (48:23)
Personal roleplay highlights (41:55–43:18, 43:31–46:33):
- Hilariously dramatized faux-parent-child negotiations over who will fund what kind of education, including threats of lifelong debt and family curses.
On the impossibility of escaping nepotism:
- “Like, Blue Ivy will never escape it…unless she goes through a full name, secret security change.” —Monét (31:03)

Important Timestamps

[06:13–08:12] — Florence Foster Jenkins and the privilege of money in the arts
[23:45–26:49] — Defining “nepo baby” and examples in pop culture
[24:56–25:09] — Does being in the drag family guarantee Drag Race casting?
[29:40–31:24] — How name recognition and connections work for children of celebrities
[34:09–35:13] — Bob and Monet’s views on funding art school
[41:55–43:18] — Comedic parent/child roleplay on art school funding
[49:11–50:57] — Networking, college ROI, and what counts as “success” in the arts

Episode Tone & Style

The episode is classic Sibling Rivalry: irreverent, riotous, and insightful, mixing pop culture deep-dives with personal anecdotes and playful, over-the-top roleplay. The hosts challenge one another, debate with warmth and comedy, and always find time for memorable quotes and shade, all while keeping things accessible for listeners in and out of the queer drag world.

Summary Takeaways

Nepotism is a complex force in entertainment and beyond; while it may facilitate opportunity, it doesn't guarantee success, nor does it erase individual merit.
Parental resources and support are not ethically clear-cut and often depend on the opportunities available and the contexts in which they're offered.
In both drag and wider pop culture, "nepo babies" will always exist, but the journey and personal drive behind any career matter just as much as the connections.
Art education’s worth isn’t solely financial; community, experience, and growth are essential—though the high cost is a real concern.
At its heart, the episode encourages nuanced thinking—and doesn’t take itself too seriously in the process.

For fans of Sibling Rivalry or those new to the pod, this episode is a sharply funny, relatable, and candid exploration of who gets ahead, how, and why in the world of fame and family.

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[00:02]
Bob the Drag Queen
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[00:46]
Monet X Change
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[00:50]
Bob the Drag Queen
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[01:02]
Monet X Change
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[01:18]
Jacob
I'm NFL linebacker TJ Watt and this.
[01:20]
Monet X Change
Is my personal best.
[01:22]
Bob the Drag Queen
YPB by Abercrombie is the activewear I'm always wearing. That's why I reached out to co design their latest drop.
[01:29]
Monet X Change
I worked with designers to create high performance activewear that holds up to my toughest workout.
[01:36]
Bob the Drag Queen
Shop YPB by Abercrombie in.
[01:38]
Monet X Change
Store, online and in the app. Because your personal best is greater than anything.
[01:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
My name is Bob the Drag queen.
[01:49]
Monet X Change
And I'm Monet x James and this is sibling rivalry.
[02:09]
Bob the Drag Queen
On this week's episode, I put Monet x change through college.
[02:12]
Monet X Change
We talk all about nepo babies and.
[02:14]
Bob the Drag Queen
We found out what made Monet say this. There are some problematic things, Amir.
[02:18]
Monet X Change
And we find out what made Bob say this.
[02:20]
Bob the Drag Queen
Invest every dollar you have in me.
[02:28]
Monet X Change
Tell me about this outfit.
[02:32]
Bob the Drag Queen
What about it?
[02:33]
Monet X Change
You're wearing the civil rivalry colors.
[02:35]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah, man, I'm just wearing p suit with some black boots and this shirt.
[02:43]
Monet X Change
Who is that?
[02:44]
Bob the Drag Queen
I'm not sure who it is. Who is it? Who does it say?
[02:47]
Monet X Change
I have no idea.
[02:48]
Bob the Drag Queen
Who is that?
[02:49]
Monet X Change
I can't see. Oh, it's Latto.
[02:52]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, Latto, my hometown hero.
[02:53]
Monet X Change
Did you go to a concert no, this is.
[02:56]
Bob the Drag Queen
I did not pick this shirt.
[02:57]
Monet X Change
Got it.
[02:57]
Bob the Drag Queen
But we are from. We're both from Colecto.
[02:59]
Monet X Change
I know, I know. I think we've discussed this several times. How's your week going?
[03:05]
Bob the Drag Queen
Just tell me about your outfit.
[03:07]
Monet X Change
These are some shorts I got from Primark. I love when I discovered Primark. When I to the UK for the first time. Obsessed. These shorts are from Primark. These are these Gucci shoes I bought. When I tell you I bought these seven years ago. I've only worn them worn once. And then this is a white tank top.
[03:25]
Bob the Drag Queen
These shoes, they don't make them anymore.
[03:27]
Monet X Change
They don't make them shoes like they used to.
[03:28]
Bob the Drag Queen
They don't make them at all. And I'm really sad about that because these are. This is one of my favorite shoe brands. This actually might be my favorite shoe brand. It's called Soro. Nothing me saying anything will help you find them, because they don't. You can probably find somebody like a secondhand shop or maybe on consignment somewhere. But they stopped making them. I guess the company wasn't getting a lot of promotion, which is sad because they're such nice shoes. I really like well made.
[03:54]
Monet X Change
They look like. Like a very sturdy shoe.
[03:56]
Bob the Drag Queen
They're well made. They're. They're unique. There's not a lot of shoes that they're like this.
[03:59]
Monet X Change
I feel.
[03:59]
Bob the Drag Queen
Although I feel like Celine makes it.
[04:02]
Monet X Change
What's. But to say this looks like a Celine. Not even Celine. You said Celine. It got me off brand. There's a designer makes this similar silhouette, chunky heel. This thing.
[04:13]
Bob the Drag Queen
I mean, probably a lot of designer makes you like this.
[04:15]
Monet X Change
No, but this specific, like, pointy and like that round, chunky thing. I can literally see the name in my brain.
[04:24]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, anyway, I like this shoe. They don't sell them anymore. And it was a sad day when they stopped making them.
[04:29]
Monet X Change
Where are they from?
[04:31]
Bob the Drag Queen
New York City. Yeah.
[04:32]
Monet X Change
Like the Zero store was in New York City.
[04:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah. The. The Ciro is made. Was made by some guys out of New York City.
[04:39]
Monet X Change
Raja Gemini wears a makes. Wears heels from a country from a company similar to this.
[04:44]
Bob the Drag Queen
I mean, RuPaul used to wear these. Lil Nas X was wearing these. I wear these.
[04:49]
Monet X Change
Maybe that's one Roger was wearing.
[04:51]
Bob the Drag Queen
Maybe. Anyway, it's a great shoe, and I love this shoe. Do y' all know about Florence Foster Jenkins and what did you just say? Florence Foster Jenkins?
[05:00]
Monet X Change
Well, you said something before that.
[05:01]
Bob the Drag Queen
Did y' all talk about Florence? Did y' all talk about Florence Foster Jenkins in college?
[05:06]
Monet X Change
I feel like she may have come up at some point. And I know, I know the, the myth, the memory. Like, I. I knew, like, I knew fragmented pieces about her. But isn't she like a big.
[05:15]
Bob the Drag Queen
I feel like she has to be like a big thing in opera.
[05:17]
Monet X Change
She's a big thing in opera. No, I would say she was not talented.
[05:21]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, I mean, being. I didn't say she was a talent thing, but she's a big thing. Like, I can think of big actors who are not necessarily. I mean, talent is like a. Sure, we're all talented.
[05:31]
Monet X Change
Yeah, but I'm saying. But she would not be big in opera because no one cares. Like, I think this is more. It was a. A gimmick. It was like a thing that was like gaggy at the time.
[05:40]
Bob the Drag Queen
It wasn't a gimmick for her, though.
[05:42]
Monet X Change
I know, not for her. But to everyone else that was experiencing her, they were like, this is insane. This is ridiculous.
[05:46]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah. She was eating. She was like. I mean, the girl is up.
[05:49]
Monet X Change
Knowing that shows money can get you anything. Cause her husband was so rich that they were able to do all this cool stuff. She played Carnegie Hall.
[05:58]
Bob the Drag Queen
Carnegie Hall. Part of me feels like Florence Foster Jenkins is actually kind of iconic.
[06:03]
Monet X Change
Well, let's say who. Florence Foster Jenkins. So Florence Foster Jenkins was a woman, what around. Was it. Was it the 20s?
[06:10]
Jacob
It was the. Yeah, 1920s, 30s and 40s.
[06:14]
Monet X Change
Florence Foster Foster, three decades, was a woman alive. The 20s through the 40s. She was performing and she was a bad singer. She did not sound very good. She was not very talented. But she had a very rich husband who would pay for her to have all these amazing opportunities to sing at Carnegie Hall. Where else did she sing? That was huge.
[06:32]
Bob the Drag Queen
I think Carnegie hall was her biggest.
[06:34]
Monet X Change
Did she ever do something at the Met?
[06:35]
Bob the Drag Queen
No. I don't know, but I know her biggest thing was she went to Carnegie hall and she did it.
[06:39]
Monet X Change
Can you look up her accolades? Jacob speaking. Florence Foster Jenkins. She's a very interesting looking person.
[06:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
Can you tell me what you mean by that?
[06:48]
Monet X Change
She has a very scrunched up face. Like she's not, in my opinion, someone who's very beautiful or fly or. She's nothing of the sort. She's wearing a crown. Is this a crown from a role?
[07:01]
Jacob
Rich people just wore crowns back then.
[07:03]
Monet X Change
Work. So she's wearing a crown and. Yeah, and she. This is a black and white photo. Oh, who played her in the movie? Meryl Streep.
[07:12]
Bob the Drag Queen
Meryl Streep.
[07:12]
Monet X Change
Meryl Streep played in the Florence Foster Jenkins movie? Yeah.
[07:18]
Bob the Drag Queen
I think there's something about her that's actually kind of iconic. And what I think it is is like she used what she had to get what she wanted. She really believed in herself even though other people didn't. And there was a moment where people were like laughing at her, but she was also like, it's kind of like that show I want to do where people come and they perform as pop stars or as singers, and the audience just gives them the love, even though they don't. They aren't technically talented in singing and, or dancing. But she was like living out this fan. She's a very average looking woman. She looks like someone's mom or someone's grandma. She's a perfectly average looking lady. But she was doing something that other people, because there were probably other folks who also had money but couldn't get to the success that she had.
[08:08]
Monet X Change
Maybe the level of money she had. Like, what did her husband do? Was he like some type of oil magnet?
[08:13]
Bob the Drag Queen
I mean, we've seen times where people have very successful, very famous families, but they just don't. They don't make it. Like, for example, I mean, no shade. I went to go see Dana Ross perform at the Hollywood bowl, and her daughter came out and sang. And her daughter can sing. She's a good singer. But even though Dana Ross is so successful, her level of star just. It just never happened for her.
[08:35]
Monet X Change
But, but Tracee Ellis Ross became a. She's a huge A list actress.
[08:39]
Bob the Drag Queen
I'm not talking about Tracee Ellis Ross.
[08:40]
Monet X Change
Who's on.
[08:42]
Bob the Drag Queen
I think her name is Ronda Ross. I think it's her name.
[08:45]
Monet X Change
Did she want celebrity?
[08:46]
Bob the Drag Queen
Because, I mean, she's a singer with a career. With a, With a career, albums and everything.
[08:51]
Monet X Change
Yeah, maybe she. Maybe she might also be one of these kids. I'm like, I don't want my parents to help me. Like, Malia Obama changing, like, taking her last name off of her, off of her resume. I mean, granted. Bitch, Bitch. Like, if Malia Obama goes for a thing, baby, real quick, we know who your parents are.
[09:09]
Bob the Drag Queen
Apologize.
[09:10]
Monet X Change
We know who your parents are.
[09:11]
Bob the Drag Queen
But I think I want to apologize.
[09:13]
Monet X Change
I think her taking Obama off of it, she's like, if I get success on my own, I don't want it to be tethered to my name or my parents. Like, I want to know that I achieve this on my own. And maybe that's what. Rhonda Stacy.
[09:23]
Bob the Drag Queen
I think her name is Rhonda. I think Rhonda. Can you verify that? Rhonda Ross. I think her Name was Rhonda Ross.
[09:30]
Monet X Change
Maybe Rhonda Ross was like, I want to. Whatever success I get how minimal or huge I want it to be because of my.
[09:36]
Bob the Drag Queen
Toured with her mom on this last tour.
[09:38]
Monet X Change
Rhonda Ross.
[09:39]
Jacob
Rhonda Ross Kendrick.
[09:40]
Bob the Drag Queen
Kendrick, yeah. So Ronda Ross toured with her mother on this last tour. She performed during the tour. So she had a whole set. So she is using her mother's star power to now though.
[09:51]
Monet X Change
Rhonda Ross Kendrick. I mean, she's had some really successful things. She's from her former singing and music making. She's valued at $20 million, which is huge.
[10:02]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, go to go to her monthly listeners on Spotify. Maybe she writes for other people. Maybe that's where she does. Maybe because her monthly listeners gagged me.
[10:10]
Jacob
117. Oh, 117. Yes.
[10:15]
Bob the Drag Queen
One, one seven. Wow. So. I mean, is. Is so.
[10:19]
Jacob
But she also hasn't. Her last music, at least on Spotify came out in 2016.
[10:23]
Bob the Drag Queen
So I'm saying like is 20 million. Is that from her music? Maybe she writes for other people. I don't know. I have no clue.
[10:32]
Monet X Change
I mean, I know you haven't seen it yet. K Pop Demon Hunters. You haven't seen it?
[10:35]
Bob the Drag Queen
I've not seen it. Please don't spoil it.
[10:36]
Monet X Change
No. Well, so they're.
[10:39]
Bob the Drag Queen
Don't say. You know what, can we move on?
[10:42]
Monet X Change
It's K Pop Demon Hunter. I don't think demon.
[10:43]
Bob the Drag Queen
I know, but. But you gonna let something slip anyway.
[10:46]
Monet X Change
Like your tuck be sliding out movie shows the woman. Bitch, your tuck was out in our photo shoot yesterday.
[10:51]
Bob the Drag Queen
I wasn't tucked. I was wearing tight pants and my shoes. And your dick was out.
[10:56]
Monet X Change
Your dick was out in our photo shoot. Forgive me if you have to come to work prepared.
[11:00]
Bob the Drag Queen
I wasn't tucked anyway.
[11:03]
Monet X Change
In K Pop Demon Hunters, the woman who wrote the music.
[11:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
Please, I don't wanna hear that.
[11:09]
Monet X Change
No, no, no, no. This is back. This is not anything to do with it. The woman who wrote the music for the movie K Pop Demon Hunters, she wrote whatever and then she recorded the demos and they're like, okay, great. And they're like trying to find. They're like, okay, now we gotta find the perfect starlet to sing this and whatever. I mean, they couldn't find someone. So why are we trying to find someone to redo this demo and record? You wrote it, you record it. Sounds great. Let's just use you. So now this money as the writer for all the performance royalties and she'd get all the money for the movie.
[11:39]
Jacob
But she's just a singer. She's not the voice actor for the character, right?
[11:41]
Monet X Change
No, no. Yeah, just. Just a singer. But I mean, that's what I'm fucking listening to my car over and over again. But she. Does she have 100 million shooters for me alone?
[11:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
It doesn't always work, I guess it.
[11:48]
Monet X Change
Doesn'T always work that way, I guess.
[11:50]
Bob the Drag Queen
Because she wrote it. Because the lady who sings Never Enough, Lauren Allred, she was like, I had a shit deal.
[11:54]
Monet X Change
Lauren Allred wrote Never Enough.
[11:56]
Bob the Drag Queen
She didn't write it, she sang it.
[11:57]
Monet X Change
Oh, she. You just said wrote.
[11:58]
Bob the Drag Queen
I said. But maybe it's because she didn't. I said, I don't. I said maybe it's because she didn't write it. But Lauren Oro. Lauren rs like I didn't get a great deal.
[12:06]
Monet X Change
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if.
[12:07]
Bob the Drag Queen
She said that, but she. I mean she went on to go do Brizzy Guy Talent because she was like, obviously things were. If things were kicking off, she wouldn't be on Britain's Got Talent.
[12:13]
Monet X Change
But also maybe because she wanted. She didn't want to. She didn't want success just as a writer. Maybe she wanted to do something. She wanted to be the star.
[12:19]
Bob the Drag Queen
No, Lauren didn't write it. Lauren just sang it. Lauren is the voice behind.
[12:23]
Monet X Change
She. She sang the voice we hear in the movie.
[12:25]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah, she sings Never Enough. Got it. And then the other actor, Lipstick to her. Knightley.
[12:31]
Monet X Change
No, no, she's the. She's.
[12:33]
Jacob
Her name is Jessica.
[12:34]
Monet X Change
She's a New Zealand lady.
[12:35]
Bob the Drag Queen
Jessica Bosque. No, Jessica Voss is one of the.
[12:38]
Monet X Change
Elphabas and she can sing sort of the Elphabas.
[12:42]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh yeah.
[12:42]
Monet X Change
Who did it on Broadway.
[12:43]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah, she's like one of the pop.
[12:45]
Monet X Change
Rebecca Ferguson.
[12:46]
Bob the Drag Queen
Rebecca ferguson. Lip sync 2 never.
[12:48]
Monet X Change
She plays a character in the movie.
[12:49]
Bob the Drag Queen
And Lauren Allred is the one singing.
[12:51]
Monet X Change
Who are thinking about. Everyone talks about the. The woman from New Zealand.
[12:55]
Bob the Drag Queen
You're thinking about Kayla Settle.
[12:58]
Monet X Change
So wasn't she in that movie? Didn't she.
[12:59]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah, she sings. She knows she is singing.
[13:03]
Monet X Change
Yeah.
[13:04]
Bob the Drag Queen
So it's weird. Well, I. I guess it's not that weird, but like it's interesting that they like Hila Settle and Hugh Jackman. They were all singing and Hugh Jackman's not that great of a singer.
[13:13]
Monet X Change
I remember. He's also. Isn't he like a Tony award winning, like Broadway?
[13:17]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah, for sure. I don't know if you want a Tony, but I think he's nominated for the Boy from Oz.
[13:20]
Monet X Change
He's known for singing and dancing thing.
[13:22]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah. So why didn't they just use Lauren Allred? Is she a bad actor?
[13:26]
Monet X Change
Maybe. I don't know. Because it feels like they probably wanted a bigger name. Like, Hugh Jackman's a big name. Jessica. Whatever. But I've seen her in movies.
[13:35]
Bob the Drag Queen
I don't know her.
[13:36]
Jacob
She's really famous.
[13:36]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, she's really famous. Dune.
[13:40]
Monet X Change
She wasn't Dune. She plays his. The. The boy's mother. Yeah, I've not seen Dune. I haven't seen.
[13:45]
Jacob
I saw Silo.
[13:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh.
[13:47]
Monet X Change
Oh, my God. Yeah, she. She's a lead in Silo.
[13:49]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah.
[13:50]
Monet X Change
Andy thinks her accent is so distracting. I don't hear it.
[13:53]
Bob the Drag Queen
She has an accent.
[13:54]
Monet X Change
Yeah. She's not. She's not American. You know, as an accent, he says a lot, though. Like, often that we're watching a show, he's like, ugh, the American accent is so bad. I'm like, they sound normal to me.
[14:03]
Bob the Drag Queen
You know, who can't do an American accent? So she never does one of her movies.
[14:06]
Monet X Change
Who?
[14:06]
Bob the Drag Queen
Mini Driver.
[14:08]
Monet X Change
Who was Mini Driver in Mini Driver?
[14:10]
Bob the Drag Queen
Was. Did you see Phantom of the Opera?
[14:12]
Monet X Change
No.
[14:12]
Bob the Drag Queen
Did you see Good Will Hunting?
[14:14]
Monet X Change
No.
[14:16]
Bob the Drag Queen
Did you watch.
[14:17]
Monet X Change
Oh, she's Willing Grace. She's the whore in Will and Grace.
[14:20]
Bob the Drag Queen
There it is. Yeah, she's.
[14:22]
Jacob
What is she What? Oh, Camila Cabello said that's what I'm seeing.
[14:25]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah, she's. Yeah, that's another. She was the mistress in Will and Grace.
[14:30]
Monet X Change
One of my favorite scenes from Will and Grace is when Stan dies and they have the funeral, and then the next stop in the next episode, you know, Karen is, like, clearing all the things from the house, and Minnie's there, and, like, she's like, oh, you're here. And then. Oh, the legs, the legs. And she's like. She's like, before you leave. Give me that. She takes her titties. The other thing. She took the thing out, her thing, and she's like. And the last thing, and then she opens her legs and the fucking necklace falls on her pussy. That shit is so.
[14:58]
Bob the Drag Queen
I mean, funny. Will and Grace has some really great writing. I think one of my favorite lines, I think it said on podcast for Willing Grace was, they're in a thrift store, and then she looks at this guy and she goes, honey, could you get me a glass of chardonnay? And the guy goes, I don't work here. And she goes, that wasn't the question. I don't know why that sends me so much.
[15:17]
Monet X Change
It's such a good. And, you know, for. I don't know about the reboot. I Did not watch the reboot that they tried to do 10 years ago, whatever it was. But the original Will and Grace wasn't.
[15:26]
Bob the Drag Queen
Didn't Stan die in the reboot or he died in the original.
[15:28]
Monet X Change
He died in the original. The original Will and Grace. It is still so funny now. I did go back and watch a few episodes from season three. There are some problematic things in there.
[15:40]
Bob the Drag Queen
That's Sex and the City.
[15:41]
Monet X Change
Sex and City. I mean, Sex and City was problematic at the time when fucking Samantha is fucking the black guy.
[15:46]
Bob the Drag Queen
I've again, I've watched one episode of Sex and City and I was like, this is crazy. I remember the ones I watched. I was like, this is crazy.
[15:52]
Monet X Change
Yeah.
[15:52]
Bob the Drag Queen
What episode did you watch? The episode where they're painting the accent.
[15:56]
Monet X Change
Wall in Big's house.
[15:58]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yes, the red wall. I. Big. It's like someone's getting an accent wall. And then I saw a piece of the episode where they did the photo shoot where she was smoking and she looked bad.
[16:07]
Monet X Change
Yeah, yeah.
[16:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
And I saw a piece of that. When I saw the other one in.
[16:09]
Monet X Change
Full single, it was like single and something. Question mark. It's still good, though.
[16:14]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah, I just remember the accent wall. Yeah. This show is wild.
[16:17]
Monet X Change
Oh, is this what Samantha meets? Yes, the hookers in meatpacking.
[16:21]
Jacob
Do you know who that girl in the red dress is?
[16:22]
Bob the Drag Queen
That's Sandra Bernhardt.
[16:24]
Jacob
That's Willem.
[16:25]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, God damn.
[16:26]
Monet X Change
That's Willem.
[16:27]
Bob the Drag Queen
Girl, I don't know who I just read, Sandra Bernhardt or Willem.
[16:30]
Monet X Change
Look at you. V's own nigger is talking about Sandra.
[16:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
Willem did. Willem has been on a lot of fucking TV show.
[16:38]
Monet X Change
I feel like this will be so. I would. Willam would have been too young. Like, how old was he in this lady?
[16:43]
Bob the Drag Queen
Like, how old do you think Willam is? The question.
[16:46]
Monet X Change
Willam is what? 40?
[16:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
William is probably. I'm going to guess. Before you look it up, I'm going to say that William's probably 43 or 44 years old.
[16:52]
Monet X Change
I was going to say 40. 43. So. And Texas City was, well, 25 years ago. So William was what, 18?
[17:01]
Jacob
Yeah, I. I could be wrong. I feel like she got legally emancipated from her parents when she was 16 so she could work and, like, start doing stuff.
[17:07]
Monet X Change
Oh, wow. And then she was like, willam has.
[17:11]
Bob the Drag Queen
William has a pretty significant role in Nip Tuck.
[17:14]
Monet X Change
Never seen that.
[17:15]
Bob the Drag Queen
So she gets beat up by some rich.
[17:19]
Jacob
It's like she, like. I think the son of one of the main characters is like a serial psychopath or something.
[17:26]
Bob the Drag Queen
And he's like dating like, like trans girls and Willem is like a trans girl or like a gender non conforming episodic. It's like I, I know, I know for sure. It was one episode for sure. Yeah.
[17:36]
Jacob
She's a recurring character.
[17:38]
Monet X Change
That's what I meant. Recurring.
[17:39]
Jacob
Yeah.
[17:39]
Bob the Drag Queen
And they had to I think give her reconstructive surgery because he fucked her up really bad or something like someone beat her up really, really badly. And she also, she's on Boston Legal. I mean Boston Public.
[17:50]
Monet X Change
With Loretta. With Loretta Devine.
[17:52]
Bob the Drag Queen
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[19:33]
Monet X Change
You ever have one of those months where it seems like everything hits you at the same time? Girl, like a sucker Punch to your belly. The rent due subscription reviews. You forgot your friend's birthday. It's your fiance's.
[19:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
I don't know.
[19:48]
Monet X Change
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[20:55]
Bob the Drag Queen
No, no, no, no, no.
[20:56]
Monet X Change
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[21:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
She also the only. She's also the only rude girl to be nominated for acting.
[21:38]
Monet X Change
But acting at the Emmys. Yeah. I love Loretta Devine. Loretta Devine and Willem. Because Loretta Devine is a rude girl.
[21:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
Honorary. Just like Meghan McCain.
[21:50]
Monet X Change
No.
[21:51]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, so now is he going to be stripping Megan McCain of her rude girl's fan?
[21:55]
Monet X Change
I never gave her that. Stop saying I'm stripping her.
[21:58]
Bob the Drag Queen
I didn't say you gave it to. I said you're stripping her.
[21:59]
Monet X Change
But I'm saying. But Loretta Devine is not an honorary. She is a rude girl. She competed on.
[22:03]
Bob the Drag Queen
No one's denying that. Loretta Devine is a rude girl.
[22:06]
Monet X Change
No, but, you know. But you don't give her the distinction of honorary because she just said you did.
[22:10]
Bob the Drag Queen
No, Megan McCain is on a rude girl.
[22:13]
Monet X Change
Okay, so I have a question. So. So. So I go up to Patty's A R Girl. Who?
[22:18]
Bob the Drag Queen
Patty's a R girl.
[22:19]
Monet X Change
Well, patty competed on RuPaul's Drag Race. Yeah. But if I go up to Sally down at the. At the 7:11 and say, you know, you're an honorary. Honorary rude girl, does she become honorary R Girl? Like, what is. Like, how do we. I look? Okay, I will say I look so cute.
[22:36]
Bob the Drag Queen
It depends on who's bestowing. Right.
[22:39]
Monet X Change
So who. So who can do that?
[22:40]
Bob the Drag Queen
I would say the only person who can really make someone an honorary Ru girl is probably RuPaul.
[22:46]
Monet X Change
Really? No. So in. So in Australia, Michelle Visage can't make someone honorary. She runs the show down there.
[22:52]
Bob the Drag Queen
So I want to be clear if you are. We've already had this conversation. I don't want y' all to get mad at me. If you are on a season of RuPaul's Drag Race that RuPaul did not.
[23:03]
Monet X Change
He did, though.
[23:04]
Bob the Drag Queen
He didn't host all of them. You are a Drag Race girl. I think to be a RU girl, you have to be on RuPaul's Drag Race. So can't do Michelle or RuPaul's Drag Race UK. You know, they changed. It was called RuPaul's Drag Race down under, then Michelle took over. It's called Drag Race Down Under.
[23:18]
Monet X Change
So can. So. So can Michelle make someone an honorary Drag Race girl?
[23:22]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yes, she can. She makes someone an honorary down under girl. And it is what it is. I mean, do you think that drag has Nepo babies in it?
[23:35]
Monet X Change
Oh, Sam Star.
[23:39]
Bob the Drag Queen
Is Sam Star a nepo baby?
[23:40]
Monet X Change
I don't know. Is she?
[23:43]
Bob the Drag Queen
I mean, okay, what is a Nepo baby?
[23:45]
Monet X Change
Let's. Let's define Nepo baby, Jacob.
[23:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, let's define it for ourselves first. What do you think? What do you think a Nepo baby means? I think a nepo baby is someone who is. Who is using nepotism to get a leg up, specifically in terms of entertainment. Not all nipple babies are entertainment based. But in the world of entertainment, you are using your connections to someone who has more fame and clout than you do when you have little to none in that particular space. And using that person's clout and your connection to them is what gets you further.
[24:18]
Monet X Change
I would say maybe Sam, only because Sam, like, a big part of her package. I mean, like, what, four or five of her runways on Drag Race is our package. Yeah, it's pretty good. I think that for Sam, I think what, five, about five or six of her runways were trinity runways. Like, she came to Drag Race with a lot of trinity drag. So maybe in that case. But also. But we all know the thing, though. Like, I think that the proximity and knowing someone from preseason could help, but I don't think that gets you cast on the show. Like, I don't think that that is like an automatic, like, thing.
[24:57]
Bob the Drag Queen
You don't think.
[24:58]
Monet X Change
I don't think.
[25:00]
Bob the Drag Queen
I think it could have something to do.
[25:01]
Monet X Change
I think there is. I. I think it helps bring attention to you. But there have been many, like, queens are trying to get their, Their drag. Their drag children on the show, and it doesn't happen.
[25:09]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, I think just because it doesn't happen every time, it doesn't mean. It doesn't mean it's not helpful in certain instances.
[25:13]
Monet X Change
But I don't think it's the only reason why they do cast you. I think, like, like, for example, like, thinking about NEPA babies, like, in our government, like, how that is functioning. Donald Trump is literally saying, my kid is going to be the ambassador. Like, what was his. The stepson. Not stepson, son in law. Kushner. You're literally going to be the ambassador to Israel because you're my. Because I want that connection, and I'm literally going to give you that thing. Like, that is different than.
[25:41]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, that's a different form of nepotism.
[25:43]
Monet X Change
All right, so I'm saying to me, like, that is nepotism. Like, you are taking. Taking your power, your influence and giving that person something. Whereas in Drag Race, because we, the queens don't have power. Casting and RuPaul and all the people that would have won that they had the power. Like, I think if Theron, if Theron has a nephew that is a drag queen. Sorry, maybe I shouldn't say his name. I don't want to go.
[26:03]
Bob the Drag Queen
Theron is a. He's a producer on. Right.
[26:04]
Monet X Change
If Theron has a nephew who is a drag queen in Woolworths, Holston, Wisconsin, or Andalusia, Alabama, all these Places, and they're like, yeah, I want to put him on the show. That's using your power to give that person priority and could give that person status. And the thing.
[26:16]
Bob the Drag Queen
So is Tracee Ellis Ross an EPO baby?
[26:18]
Monet X Change
I don't know, because I've also. Because when that whole conversation was happening, remember, there was a whole discourse about how she wanted to kind of like I was talking about with the daughter before, she wanted to get there on her own, like, use her own acting chops and stuff.
[26:32]
Bob the Drag Queen
I don't think you can, though. I think if you are Diana Ross's daughter, I don't think there is a world where you can navigate without people knowing you're her daughter. Especially if her name is Tracee Ellis Ross. This is not taking. Taken away from her talent. Like, Liza Minnelli is incredibly talented. She's a Nepo baby.
[26:49]
Monet X Change
So, yeah, because of a mother. If y' all know Judy Garland, could.
[26:52]
Bob the Drag Queen
Liza have made it without Judy Garland being her mom? Probably. But to. To acknowledge that someone is a Nepo baby does not take away their merits and their talents. It's just saying because your mother is Judy Garland, you probably had it a little bit easier.
[27:07]
Monet X Change
Well, who are people who. That. Who. Who have gotten success that we didn't? But, I mean, someone probably did, though. Like, what would you mean? Like, for example, I didn't know. I didn't know that she was an apple baby, but apparently she's fucking huge. What's the jam? Lee Curtis, Jamie Le Curtis. I had no idea that her. That she was an industry baby.
[27:21]
Jacob
Nicholas Cage.
[27:22]
Monet X Change
Nick Cage, who was his parents.
[27:25]
Jacob
His real name is Nicholas Coppola.
[27:27]
Monet X Change
Oh, Fred Coppola. Or is it Fred Coppola?
[27:29]
Jacob
I mean, I. I think he's his nephew or something, but he's in that family.
[27:32]
Monet X Change
Yeah.
[27:32]
Jacob
Dakota Johnson.
[27:34]
Monet X Change
Who the fuck is that?
[27:35]
Jacob
Madame Webb.
[27:37]
Monet X Change
Oh, she the nipple baby.
[27:39]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah. Who.
[27:39]
Jacob
Who appears is Melanie Griffith. And.
[27:42]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, my God, Melanie Griffith is her mom. There it is. So I did a tour with gag. I did a tour, and on the Madonna tour, one of the wardrobers is. What's her name? The daughter of a famous actor.
[28:05]
Monet X Change
Famous actor.
[28:06]
Bob the Drag Queen
She's friends with Madonna.
[28:07]
Monet X Change
She's.
[28:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh. Oh.
[28:09]
Monet X Change
Narrowed it down.
[28:09]
Jacob
Yeah, yeah.
[28:10]
Bob the Drag Queen
And I love her.
[28:10]
Jacob
Debbie me.
[28:11]
Bob the Drag Queen
Debbie Mazar.
[28:12]
Monet X Change
Oh, you. You did a thing with her. Silly city.
[28:15]
Bob the Drag Queen
No, I just know Debbie Mazar through Madonna. So Debbie Mazar's daughter was a wardrobe, but she was like, I want to start at the bottom rung. Like, she was like, I'm not trying to be the wardrobe heading I'm. She was like. She was, like, the lowest rung. And also, she was really a really good wardrobe. Like, she was super dedicated. She was very hardworking. And it seemed like she didn't want to use her mom's life, like, status to. Because her mom is friends with the person on the tour. But she was like, I'm just. She was like. She wasn't a designer. She was. She was just, like, washing. She was washing clothes, getting stains out of stuff, hauling heavy laundry around. Like.
[28:57]
Monet X Change
But then again, to even. To get to that you got there because of who your mom is?
[29:01]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, we don't know that.
[29:03]
Monet X Change
I mean, did she put an application and everything? Everyone else, like, probably. I think. I think that's the question. Right? Like. Like is because you're on with Debbie Mazar. Did you get to even get to be that point? Whereas there are probably millions of people in the industry who wanted to. Who wanted to get there, but they couldn't because they don't have the.
[29:19]
Bob the Drag Queen
How do we know that? Because, as I'm saying, that's, like, insinuating everyone else there, like, she could have gotten a job like everyone else there did. So what I'm saying is, like, Tracee Ellis Ross being on, like, the show Girlfriends and being on Black Ish. Maybe it's like, wow, this woman can really act. Oh, her mom's Diana Ross a little extra.
[29:40]
Monet X Change
Yeah. It gives you help.
[29:41]
Bob the Drag Queen
It's like. It's like, you know you're in the same frat.
[29:43]
Monet X Change
Yeah.
[29:45]
Bob the Drag Queen
Have you ever given your frat brothers?
[29:46]
Monet X Change
Girl, I went to a music returner. You think we is. We're not.
[29:50]
Bob the Drag Queen
I don't know what y' all do.
[29:50]
Monet X Change
I'm never.
[29:51]
Bob the Drag Queen
I've never been in a Friend.
[29:51]
Monet X Change
Not Divine Nine. We're not, like. I think you see it a lot with, like, akas.
[29:55]
Bob the Drag Queen
You don't have a noise. Y' all make no.
[29:59]
Monet X Change
Like, So I think that's for you.
[30:02]
Bob the Drag Queen
Don't rep your frat.
[30:03]
Monet X Change
We don't. We don't.
[30:04]
Bob the Drag Queen
You don't have a tattoo?
[30:05]
Monet X Change
No.
[30:06]
Bob the Drag Queen
What's that bass clef on your arm? That's the frat.
[30:09]
Monet X Change
That is my family crust frat frat. That's my family crust.
[30:12]
Bob the Drag Queen
The bass clef. That's a lie.
[30:13]
Monet X Change
All the Burtons have a bass clef.
[30:14]
Bob the Drag Queen
You're lying. Continue.
[30:15]
Monet X Change
The Burton bass clef. Anyway, you're lying. The Burton bass clef. So I think that it's hard to. Like, for example, like, again, like I said with Malia Obama, how can we. Yes. Taking Obama off your last Name, Sure. But anywhere she. Malia. If Malia Obama makes a movie for the for cause, she's a director, I believe.
[30:33]
Bob the Drag Queen
What's her last name now?
[30:35]
Monet X Change
I think she just goes by Malia, which is again, people like, like, girl.
[30:41]
Bob the Drag Queen
And someone gonna be like, what's your last name? She's like, my mama.
[30:45]
Monet X Change
I'm sorry, what was that? You know, so. But like, for Nepo. For children of Nepo. For Nepo babies, like, they can't escape it. Like, it like Blue Ivy will never. Unless she goes through a full name. Secret Security change. Not Secret Security. I'm saying security.
[31:02]
Bob the Drag Queen
Secret Services.
[31:02]
Monet X Change
Secret Service.
[31:03]
Jacob
She. She uses her middle name. She goes by Malia Ann.
[31:07]
Bob the Drag Queen
Malia Ann, Malia Ann Malia and Obama.
[31:10]
Monet X Change
So like, so you see a movie by. Directed by Malia Ann, I think she should probably change her first name too.
[31:16]
Bob the Drag Queen
I think when you see this six foot one woman walk through that we've seen for years, like, how many 6 foot 1 malias are there out there? So, girl, we know who you are. No shit.
[31:25]
Monet X Change
They can't escape it. Like, Blue Ivy will never escape it, I think, which is why people like Beyonce and stuff. They're like, you know what? What? And again, I don't know what Beyonce's and Jay Z's plans are for the kid. I don't know. We do, we. We do see that she did a. Two world tours. Did she perform in the last season? She did two world tours for millions of people. So they're like, you know, and in the. Did you see the Renaissance movie? Did you watch a movie? So Beyonce talks about, like, how, like, you know, like, she, like, Blue Ivy told her she wanted to do it. She was like, okay, show me that. She's like, show me that you can. And like, she did all this, like, training. She had dance training and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Beyonce, like, made her work up to it. But again, you're getting the opportunity because of who your mom is, which I don't think is a bad thing.
[32:05]
Bob the Drag Queen
It'd be so funny if, like a typical kid, she's like, I don't do this anymore. That would be so. That would be. That's such a kid thing to like, to tell your parents you want to do something and be like, I want.
[32:15]
Monet X Change
To be an accountant 100%. That would be a piano. I was like, I want to. I need to put piano is what's going to do. Save my life. I need this.
[32:22]
Bob the Drag Queen
But you are still alive, bitch.
[32:24]
Monet X Change
Two years in over it. Done.
[32:26]
Bob the Drag Queen
It might have saved your life. Though you're still here.
[32:27]
Monet X Change
It didn't.
[32:28]
Bob the Drag Queen
You're still with us.
[32:29]
Monet X Change
And then for, like, fucking Madonna's tour, it was riddled with her kids. She had all 13 of them hoes in there.
[32:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
Riddled is crazy.
[32:35]
Monet X Change
There were, like, 19 kids in there.
[32:36]
Bob the Drag Queen
Riddled is a crazy choice of words.
[32:38]
Monet X Change
Riddled with Madonna's kids.
[32:40]
Bob the Drag Queen
She has four kids in the show.
[32:41]
Monet X Change
And they were all in it, right?
[32:42]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah, they were all in the show.
[32:43]
Monet X Change
And they all do different parts of the show. So it's like. It's like again. But again, if you're a parent, I don't think that is a bad thing to give your kids.
[32:51]
Bob the Drag Queen
You realize that clip on the View where Monique was talking to Barbara Walters, and I think Monique has, like, twins or something, or she has. I think Monique has twins. And she was like, I think Monique had just had the kids. She goes, and how are these little creatures?
[33:08]
Monet X Change
I remember that.
[33:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
And Monique says, hold on, my kids ain't no goddamn creatures. Creatures. What the hell you mean, creatures? I will never forget that. Creatures. You know, the fun.
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Monet X Change
But it was there.
[33:18]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah.
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Monet X Change
Yeah. So as a parent, I don't think it's a bad thing to help your kid. To help. Especially when you have the position in life, like a Beyonce, like a Madonna, like a Rihanna with her two kids to give them the tools. Like Phaedra Parks her two sons. You know, Phaedra is.
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Bob the Drag Queen
I met Phaedra recently.
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Monet X Change
Phaedra. So she has her two kids. Right.
[33:39]
Bob the Drag Queen
I know from the Traders and from. I know that she's on Real Housewives.
[33:41]
Monet X Change
Yeah. And she's giving, you know, because her kids like fashion and they. Whatever. So she's giving them a leg up in that industry what she can with her advances in life. And she's in the industry, and I don't think that's bad.
[33:52]
Bob the Drag Queen
I have. Want to talk about something you and I talked about?
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Monet X Change
About. Do you think it's bad to help you to help your children?
[33:56]
Bob the Drag Queen
No, not at all.
[33:57]
Monet X Change
Yeah.
[33:57]
Bob the Drag Queen
No. I won't talk about something you and I talk about at the airport a while back. And I think I might have changed my mind a little bit, but I'm still kind of firm on this, which is. I said that if I have kids, I don't think I would pay for my kids to go to art school.
[34:10]
Monet X Change
You wouldn't?
[34:11]
Bob the Drag Queen
No, I would.
[34:13]
Monet X Change
Remind me why you say no, I.
[34:15]
Bob the Drag Queen
Would pay for my kids to go to college, but I would not pay for them to go to art school. Like, if you want to be a photographer, I would Pay for you to get like private lessons. But if you're gonna go to college, I think it should be for something else.
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Monet X Change
And tell me why again, I forget.
[34:30]
Bob the Drag Queen
I don't think that art school is any indication that you will work. It is an indication that you will spend money on the art, but it does not mean that you will work there where I think there's other things that could probably procure you work. And I think I would just feel more confident getting them an education through the arts privately. But then again, I mean, I went to school for acting, but I went to school for education. Like I was like, I want to be a drama teacher, but I didn't really want to be a drama teacher. But then I'm wondering too, if I had gone to school for like nursing, I probably would have ended up being a nurse. And then I don't know that the rest of the stuff would have ever worked out though.
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Monet X Change
Yeah, I think that's why I differ. I mean, I think because my experience is opera and opera. You can't just leave high school and be like, I'm gonna be an opera singer and go study. That's not how that works. That's not how the voice works. Like opera. Going to opera school is about learning opera in a more holistic way. You're learning technique, you're learning the history, you're learning how your voice works. You're learning how to maneuver your voice in a really crucial time between when you're 18 and 25 years old. That's a very crucial time for your voice to learn how to sing properly. You can't learn it privately, you can't learn it privately. But when you are going to, when you go to college, you're getting a mixture of experiences and like minded people who you help them build connections with, how you're learning how to function with other opera singers, how to do small companies, when you're doing these productions in college. And so I think there's a lot more to just learning how to sing, learning how to be an artist. And I think that's. And I think that's, I think that's a valuable experience. I learned in college how to be an artist, not just how to sing.
[36:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
So let's take opera out of it.
[36:09]
Monet X Change
But photography's different. I can't speak to photography. Let's take a break and we'll talk more about your little boyfriend is photography.
[36:21]
Bob the Drag Queen
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Monet X Change
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Bob the Drag Queen
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Monet X Change
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[38:37]
Bob the Drag Queen
So let's take opera out of it, and let's talk about visual arts, right? So let's say your child. I'm your child. Papa Burton.
[38:47]
Monet X Change
Do not call me Papa.
[38:48]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, you told me to call you Papa when I was five.
[38:51]
Monet X Change
I changed my mind. And I've also taught you that people are allowed to change their minds. And however you want me to call you baby, I'll call you baby.
[38:56]
Bob the Drag Queen
Please don't. Please don't point your hand at me like that. Please. I was talking about how when you put your giant hands at me, it scares me. So can we.
[39:02]
Monet X Change
So I want to slap this. You slap this shit out. Can we.
[39:05]
Bob the Drag Queen
Can we scale back and restart this conversation?
[39:08]
Monet X Change
You don't got me hot.
[39:09]
Bob the Drag Queen
I understand that, but I feel like I should be able to have a conversation with my father without threats of violence.
[39:14]
Monet X Change
I like Father Burton. That sounds good.
[39:16]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, you're. You're a reverend now.
[39:18]
Monet X Change
Yeah.
[39:19]
Bob the Drag Queen
Okay. Well, Father Burton, I've decided.
[39:22]
Monet X Change
I beseech you.
[39:23]
Bob the Drag Queen
I prefer to go by my name. Name.
[39:25]
Monet X Change
Which is child. I call you child.
[39:30]
Bob the Drag Queen
I keep forgetting your name. Your child.
[39:32]
Monet X Change
I always forget about that.
[39:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
I want to be a painter.
[39:36]
Monet X Change
Okay.
[39:37]
Bob the Drag Queen
And I want to go to nyu.
[39:40]
Monet X Change
Okay, well, what can I.
[39:40]
Bob the Drag Queen
And you have a lot of money, and I want you to pay for it.
[39:44]
Monet X Change
We have. First of all, we have a whole lot of money.
[39:48]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, we?
[39:49]
Monet X Change
Yeah, me and your father. Oh, Papa Smurf.
[39:54]
Bob the Drag Queen
Damn. What about your ex?
[39:59]
Monet X Change
That's Daddy.
[40:00]
Bob the Drag Queen
Okay.
[40:02]
Monet X Change
And. Okay, so painting like you want to, like water, like what?
[40:05]
Bob the Drag Queen
This is what I just did.
[40:06]
Jacob
I think. I think we're doing a role play.
[40:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
Wait, we are? I just did this this morning. Oh. I just did this painting this morning. Well, it's meant to evoke emotion. It's meant to scare. So I'm glad that you see what I was going for.
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Monet X Change
Is nausea part of the emotion you want for me?
[40:23]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, art is how you're supposed to interpret it. So if that's what it invoked in you. So, as you can see, my art is really good at getting emotions out of people. It's very provocative. Then it evokes a lot. So now that we know that you believe in me, I would like to go to nyu. And I won't go anywhere else.
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Monet X Change
Well, that's not how that works.
[40:42]
Bob the Drag Queen
I've been accepting.
[40:43]
Monet X Change
You've been accepted already.
[40:44]
Bob the Drag Queen
I've been accepted.
[40:45]
Monet X Change
Okay. And was this the only school you applied to?
[40:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yep.
[40:48]
Monet X Change
This is the Top of your list.
[40:49]
Bob the Drag Queen
It's the only thing on my list. It's top, the bottom and the middle of the list.
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Monet X Change
Well, you're 17. Okay. We have one more year until you are had to submit your applications for college. I know you did the early application you got into nyu, but I there you know, as. You know as my extensive years as a art Director for the MoMA.
[41:09]
Bob the Drag Queen
You do them? Yeah, I remember you working at the moment.
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Monet X Change
Working? Baby, we owned.
[41:15]
Bob the Drag Queen
We own the moment.
[41:16]
Monet X Change
We own the MoMA still to this day.
[41:18]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh my God. And like we own all the art in it too.
[41:21]
Monet X Change
Yes. Oh, we are rich.
[41:24]
Bob the Drag Queen
I did because I thought the mo. I didn't know the. I didn't know. I didn't realize the moment went.
[41:27]
Monet X Change
So instead of ut a little NYU school. That's pennies. Okay. So I don't mind.
[41:32]
Bob the Drag Queen
We talked about your hands in my spirit. Right.
[41:35]
Monet X Change
But I think there are some other ones I would like you to explore. I know you. I. Baby, I know you really want to go there, but I just found this letter.
[41:42]
Bob the Drag Queen
It says we're on hard times. I just found this letter from the bank and it says we're on hard times.
[41:49]
Monet X Change
And it.
[41:49]
Bob the Drag Queen
It says here how much money we have.
[41:51]
Monet X Change
And this is exactly what you need.
[41:54]
Bob the Drag Queen
For NYU to go to nyu.
[41:55]
Monet X Change
That's crazy.
[41:57]
Bob the Drag Queen
But, but, but don't worry. I'm going to use my art to bring us back in. Better invest every dollar you have in me, Father Burton. Every. I'm gonna pull this family out of. We're gonna buy the moment back, you know.
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Monet X Change
Okay. So I'm gonna. We're gonna have our lawyer, Brett here, bring up a contract that every penny you make from the time you graduate until you are 999 years old.
[42:23]
Bob the Drag Queen
A contract with my father?
[42:25]
Monet X Change
Yes. How do you think I got this fucking rich?
[42:28]
Bob the Drag Queen
How do we get this poor?
[42:29]
Monet X Change
You know, bad money management. The every penny you earn until you pay back. Pay me back this debt times three.
[42:36]
Bob the Drag Queen
Times three.
[42:37]
Monet X Change
Times three.
[42:38]
Bob the Drag Queen
How am I supposed to eat?
[42:39]
Monet X Change
So think about that, right? So you want to. So if you want to go to nyu, that's the deal I'm willing to strike with you.
[42:44]
Bob the Drag Queen
I was talking to Auntie Bob and all her kids went to school and she didn't make any of them pay them back. Pay her back.
[42:50]
Monet X Change
And all them crazy run around looking crazy as a motherfucker.
[42:53]
Bob the Drag Queen
But they're not in debt.
[42:54]
Monet X Change
And. But they looking crazy. Do you want to look crazy like them?
[42:56]
Bob the Drag Queen
I don't want to be. If I crazy or debt, I'm Going to choose the craz.
[42:59]
Monet X Change
And I'm gonna choose debt, baby.
[43:01]
Bob the Drag Queen
You want me to be in debt to you?
[43:03]
Monet X Change
To me. Not to the world, to me.
[43:11]
Bob the Drag Queen
Let me call my lawyer.
[43:13]
Monet X Change
Flounce and Jetsa. Now I got a voice.
[43:16]
Bob the Drag Queen
You want me to get signed a contract? Monet. Yes.
[43:18]
Monet X Change
You want me to give you every penny? I have to go take you to school so that you get money. I'm just sitting here looking crazy. That sounds ridiculous.
[43:26]
Bob the Drag Queen
List. All right, now do me.
[43:31]
Monet X Change
Hi. What. What do I call you again?
[43:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
Mom, you've been calling me this for years. You can just call me Caldwell.
[43:37]
Monet X Change
Hi, Mama Caldwell. So I want to go to get ready for it. Recording school.
[43:46]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, that's so exciting.
[43:48]
Monet X Change
I want to be a sound engineer.
[43:49]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, that sounds so fun and so exciting. Start. Where are you gonna go? I'm thinking about.
[43:55]
Monet X Change
I want to go to Berkeley School of Music in Boston.
[43:58]
Bob the Drag Queen
Okay.
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Monet X Change
They have a really cool program because then from there I can, like, you know, like, I can, like, do, like, sound engineering for, like, podcasts or, like. I don't know. Do you feel like, like, for, like. Why are you talking like that? What?
[44:12]
Bob the Drag Queen
Why are you talking like that?
[44:13]
Monet X Change
It's like, talk.
[44:14]
Bob the Drag Queen
Dude, you was raised in Atlanta, Georgia.
[44:17]
Monet X Change
God. We went to Gwinnett County High School, dude. Like, we just. We're free. Thinking we're free flowing, bro.
[44:22]
Bob the Drag Queen
Like, you're finding yourself. Let's go. Pull. Let's go ahead and look up some scholarships.
[44:25]
Monet X Change
No, I don't want scholarships. I know you have a lot of money. You've been in the industry for, like, so long, dude. So just, like, give me the money and I'll go.
[44:35]
Bob the Drag Queen
I'm just going to close the laptop real quick. You want me to just pay for it when you can get scholarships and get it off your own merit?
[44:40]
Monet X Change
Mom, like, come on. Like, yeah, like, what's. Like, you have the money. Just fucking give it to me. Dude. Why are you acting so shady, man? Just, like, give me the money to go to school.
[44:51]
Bob the Drag Queen
When did you start swearing like this?
[44:53]
Monet X Change
You paid for Kimberly's. You paid for Justin's.
[44:56]
Bob the Drag Queen
Okay, to be clear, Kimberly went to law school.
[45:00]
Monet X Change
Justin went to bird school.
[45:02]
Bob the Drag Queen
You paid for his. He's a zoologist. He has a job at the zoo that he. What are you gonna have a job listening to. You're listening to people talk, and he's drunk. He's a drunk, and he's addressing the problem.
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Monet X Change
I have straight A's, okay? I am. I graduated suakum lauda.
[45:19]
Bob the Drag Queen
You graducated?
[45:21]
Monet X Change
Yeah.
[45:21]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, you graducated oh, how many? How many? How many people were in this class? You graducated?
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Monet X Change
Yeah. See, you don't even know, like, new terminology. Like, your head is so far up your fucking ass. Can't even give me fucking money for school. But, like, graducated. That's what I fucking wanna do. So give me the. You know what? I'm just gonna take my endowment from dad and. Fuck this.
[45:41]
Bob the Drag Queen
You know, if you wanna graducate, why don't you go ahead and graducate at Coolidge, or whatever y' all call it these days. Because I'll tell you right now, ain't no kid about to talk to me crazy and then demand that I give them money.
[45:50]
Monet X Change
Dad left me money. I'm trying to do a courtesy and ask you. I'll just take my endowment and fucking leave and never come back here again until you're 30.
[45:58]
Bob the Drag Queen
So you gonna do. You gonna go school?
[45:59]
Monet X Change
You're 30? I'm 29. 29. That's one more year, Mom. There's one more year.
[46:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
Well, you. Well, you wait your year.
[46:10]
Monet X Change
Wait your year.
[46:13]
Bob the Drag Queen
Because when Jacob passed away.
[46:17]
Jacob
That's crazy.
[46:22]
Bob the Drag Queen
This was not his vision for you. Don't bring dad into this wall with Jacob. Don't bring dad into this. Passed away. And when the polycule came together. Cause Tao has been very nice to you.
[46:34]
Monet X Change
Tao has been nice to me. And he's the only one that's nice to me. Ever since dad died, Tao's the only one that's here for me. You do nothing for me. Can't give it his fucking money to go to school. Kidding me. I hate you.
[46:47]
Bob the Drag Queen
You know what? And I've been wanting to say this for 29 years. I hate you too, you ass. Why do you always attack me?
[47:05]
Monet X Change
Because you hurt my feelings.
[47:06]
Bob the Drag Queen
Can't help it with this thing.
[47:07]
Monet X Change
I got it. I got it.
[47:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
Yeah.
[47:10]
Jacob
Okay. So what if your child wants us? So you said you won't pay for art school. What if your child wants a degree in philosophy?
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Monet X Change
What's wrong with that?
[47:19]
Bob the Drag Queen
Philosophy?
[47:20]
Monet X Change
Is that communications?
[47:21]
Bob the Drag Queen
I know that's worse than art school.
[47:24]
Jacob
Okay, what about sociology?
[47:27]
Bob the Drag Queen
Okay, no shade to my sociologist friends out there, because I have a Jacob's sociologist.
[47:34]
Jacob
I'm just saying. So it actually went from you not paying to art school for you only wanting to pay for law school, school, medical school.
[47:41]
Monet X Change
But here's the thing.
[47:42]
Bob the Drag Queen
I would like to. If I'm going to pay for my child's schooling, okay, to be clear, I had to pay for my own college. And I want to go.
[47:50]
Monet X Change
But did you. But did your mom have the resources to help you pay for it?
[47:53]
Bob the Drag Queen
No.
[47:53]
Monet X Change
If you have a parent who has the resources, why can't you help your kid?
[47:57]
Bob the Drag Queen
If it's art school like this sounds like I don't want to sound.
[48:00]
Monet X Change
As long as a sociology school and.
[48:02]
Bob the Drag Queen
A communication to go to become a philosopher, we can sit around and sit around and start reading. Me with your little. With your little thoughts. With your little thoughts and prayers.
[48:13]
Monet X Change
You said art school. Now it's full of philosophy, sociology, communications. What you. Are you mad at journalism too?
[48:19]
Bob the Drag Queen
No, I would pay for my kid to go to school of journalism.
[48:21]
Monet X Change
So what is the. Is it. Oh, is it all like what I.
[48:23]
Bob the Drag Queen
If it is a job that I believe could return an investment, I will pay for it.
[48:27]
Monet X Change
But it's believing in your kid what they want to do. It's not just about what you.
[48:30]
Bob the Drag Queen
I believe in the kid. What I'm saying is if we're going to pay for college, if I have the resources to pay for college, I would like for you to also invest in something that could actually make some money. I'll buy the private lessons, but can you also go to school for something else?
[48:44]
Monet X Change
But your goal is money. Maybe the kid's goal is not to make a whole ton, a whole ton of money. Well, I don't want to support you.
[48:48]
Bob the Drag Queen
For the rest of your life.
[48:50]
Monet X Change
No, but I think they're gonna live.
[48:52]
Bob the Drag Queen
You wait for me to die and.
[48:53]
Monet X Change
Then take some money. You also have to. You also have to realize that or be firm in what you help this human being you've helped to craft over the past 18 years. Like what you have helped instill in them and building them, that they're not going to be someone that's going to be. Be leeching off of you for the rest of your life.
[49:11]
Bob the Drag Queen
So making it in the business is, in my opinion, much less about your talent. And it's about. It is.
[49:18]
Monet X Change
I think it is the business of what, like art?
[49:20]
Bob the Drag Queen
Art, yeah. It is the perfect concoction of luck. It is your skill set, it is your timing. It is who you know it is. It's who you are when you are, why you are, where you are.
[49:30]
Monet X Change
Okay, well.
[49:30]
Bob the Drag Queen
And somebody that you have nothing.
[49:31]
Monet X Change
You have nothing.
[49:31]
Bob the Drag Queen
You have no control over.
[49:32]
Jacob
A lot of. A lot of college programs can be really good opportunities to network because a lot of the people in those fields who might give you opportunity or introduce you to are like your colle professors, are people who curate museums, who like, are photo editors for magazines Are casting directors for operas.
[49:49]
Monet X Change
I was gonna say like a part of college is not just learning a thing, but is about the socialization of it and meeting people in your industry.
[49:55]
Bob the Drag Queen
Everyone in this room. I don't know about Kane, but everyone in this room went to art school and studied art. You studied photography, but you. I mean, you studied art at school. You studied art at school. I studied art at school. You said it at school. What percentage of your classmates right now are working in the arts? I don't know. And it's a guess. I know it's a guess.
[50:19]
Monet X Change
It's not a big number. I know it's not a big number, but also. But that's also fine. Not everyone who does what they study, not everyone who goes to school goes to law school, becomes a lawyer.
[50:26]
Bob the Drag Queen
That's true.
[50:27]
Monet X Change
Or medical school, but I bet the percentage is higher. It probably is higher. But what I am saying too is also, just because you're not making millions of dollars doesn't mean you're not successful in your art. Like you can. You can go to art school and be fine making a smaller salary. Like you. You're not. Everyone who's going to art school is not trying to become fucking a billionaire. They just want to just. It's not about making a living doing their art, which I think is fine.
[50:51]
Bob the Drag Queen
It's not being a billionaire. And I also want to say this too. I don't think that parents should have to pay for their kids school.
[50:58]
Monet X Change
Well, I mean, America just fucked up. We should have to pay so much money for school in the first place. That's a whole nother conversation.
[51:03]
Bob the Drag Queen
I would never tell my kid to not go to school for. For art. I would never in a million. I want to go back to school and I don't even want to be for. I just want to study African American studies. What's that going to get me? What the hell I'm gonna do? What the hell am I gonna do with that? You know what I mean? And I think that I would never ever tell my kid that they cannot go to school for art. I would just be like, I'm not paying for you to go to school for art. I support you. Let's look up some scholarships. Click to the clack, to the click clack. Ow, boom. You know what I mean? But I'm not paying for you to fucking go to Tisch and do contact improv for four years. Don't shake the T, shack.
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Monet X Change
I guess I don't see the problem is that I think if my kid's Going there, and they want to do that. I think it's great ways to learn to grow, to decide what you like, what you don't like. And again, if you leave school and you do not do that, I am content in knowing the person that I have helped raise for 18 years. That's what they wanted to. They tried out. They hated it. They loved it. They stuck with it. They became the next greatest improv. They became Dwayne Brady in five years.
[52:08]
Bob the Drag Queen
Who's Dwayne Brady?
[52:09]
Monet X Change
Wayne Brady. I said in five years, or they end up becoming a fucking veterinary assistant. Like, they. I would feel happy knowing that I helped my kid in doing that. But again, you're also your main.
[52:21]
Bob the Drag Queen
So hear me out. That you spent $400,000 to send me to school.
[52:25]
Monet X Change
To what school is $400,000?
[52:27]
Bob the Drag Queen
I don't know.
[52:28]
Monet X Change
$400,000 is crazy. Maybe $200,000, Juilliard, $50,000 a year.
[52:32]
Bob the Drag Queen
How much is four years of Juilliard? You spent half a million dollars on me.
[52:36]
Monet X Change
Juilliard is about $200,000 for four years.
[52:38]
Bob the Drag Queen
200,000 for four years. You spent $200,000, and that is a lot of money. And for me to learn a piano, I did it. I graduate, and I'm like, I'm honestly over it. Like, no shade. Our lovely friend Nick. Now, Nick has scholarships because Nick is apparently a really good opera singer. But Nick spent six years in school and was immediately like, I do not.
[53:02]
Monet X Change
Want to do this, but context matters. If you are a concert pianist going to Juilliard, you've been doing piano since you were three or four years old. So I've invested 18 years of private lessons. So you wouldn't see that. You wouldn't see someone being like, 18, like, oh, I'm gonna do piano now, Mom. Send me to the most expensive. No, like, I've invested years and years of doing that.
[53:27]
Bob the Drag Queen
There's gotta be someone who went to Juilliard and then left and was like, I'm good. Good.
[53:32]
Monet X Change
I. Yes, that person.
[53:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
There's a lot of them, actually.
[53:35]
Monet X Change
I don't think so. I think I. Yes, that exists. But I think if you go into Juilliard, you have. For violin, piano, voice, whatever. You spent at least a decade with your parents, praying, private lessons, and doing all the things to get you ready to even be able to audition for Juilliard.
[53:49]
Bob the Drag Queen
Do you know a lot of people who went to your school and graduated and were like, I'm good. Like, I. I actually. Like, how many of your friends were like, I don't Even want to. Like, I will say this. When I was in theater school, I was in school for the theater. We all thought, we're gonna be on Broad. We were all like. We were all like, can you guys believe that? We're all going to be famous actors? This is crazy. How many opera singers are like, I.
[54:08]
Monet X Change
Am not doing this, I think from my school, but I didn't go to an opera performance school like that. My school is more so a music ed school. So a lot of my friends who are in the music ed program, they are teaching. Like, not a lot. I. I would say maybe 60% of people went to school. 60% of the people I went to school with are probably teaching. The other 40%, like, Dewan Arcia is in education. So, like, I don't know, I think it's a toss up. I would say maybe 60 to 65% of people are doing music education or in some types of arts education, something like that.
[54:41]
Bob the Drag Queen
How many fellow classmates are out here taking photos and art and painting and stuff?
[54:45]
Jacob
I think this is why it's an interesting thing, because at least, like my program, it was a pretty wide spectrum of education. So while we did take a lot of classes, photography, we also took classes in, like, Photoshop and video editing, editing in production and that kind of thing. So I would say I have three. Three classmates who are. Two classmates who are strict photographers. They are, like, making their money doing photography, like getting magazine covers, that stuff. I don't know if you know, you know Tanner Evil, who does all, like, a lot of the drag coders. I went to college with him, which is super cool. He's like, really? Yeah, yeah. He works a lot. He works with a lot of queens, though. So two people, I would say, are doing, like, strict photography. I have one other classmate who's doing, like, video directing and editing on, like, a really high scale. Like, she does a lot of really cool stuff. Her name is Simone, but I forgot her last name off the top of my head.
[55:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
Biles. Oh, her last name. So her first name is the.
[55:39]
Jacob
And then I would say I have maybe like four other classmates who are doing kind of, like, stuff in between. So, like, photo editing jobs, like production jobs in some kind of, like, art thing. And then one classmate who's a house housewife and has a lot of children.
[55:57]
Bob the Drag Queen
Like, from the show.
[55:59]
Jacob
No, she's just like. She moved.
[56:01]
Bob the Drag Queen
I mean, what was like for my college. Michael Stickers is a Broadway actor.
[56:09]
Monet X Change
John Stewart, like, the Daily Show.
[56:14]
Bob the Drag Queen
I am not the same age as Jon Stewart.
[56:15]
Monet X Change
Oh, I thought you Were never right.
[56:17]
Bob the Drag Queen
John Stewart. Stewart. He was on. He's a. He's a film actor. He was most notably on that show with Alex Newell where it was like that. The playlist show.
[56:29]
Monet X Change
Kimmy Schmidt's.
[56:30]
Bob the Drag Queen
No, Zoe's playlist.
[56:31]
Monet X Change
Zoe's unbelievable imaginary playlist. Yeah, yeah.
[56:34]
Bob the Drag Queen
And then Summer McCusker.
[56:39]
Monet X Change
But also no Shade. This is not. I'm not trying to be funny or make do a read, but like, you can't say Juilliard and Columbia. Columbus. You know what I'm saying? Like, Juilliard. Like, now, if you're going to Juilliard. Juilliard is the creme de la creme. Juilliard is like the creme de la creme. Like, if people who are going to Juilliard, we are working.
[56:57]
Bob the Drag Queen
Did you know Michael Stickers is on Broadway?
[57:00]
Monet X Change
I'm just saying Juilliard is pumping out.
[57:03]
Bob the Drag Queen
Pull up Michael Stickers. Look, pick up the pull up Michael Stiggers.
[57:08]
Monet X Change
Anyway, Juilliard people go to Juilliard. Date pull up jobs from around the world. World audition for Juilliard. People from around the world are not auditioning for.
[57:17]
Bob the Drag Queen
You don't know what people around the world do. You think we don't have Internet? You think we didn't have international students at Columbus State University in Columbus, Georgia?
[57:25]
Monet X Change
Anyway, thank you so much for your time. I have to go.
[57:27]
Bob the Drag Queen
Bye.
[57:29]
Monet X Change
And thank you all for tuning into another episode of Sibling Rivalry featuring Monet X Change and her best friend.
[57:35]
Bob the Drag Queen
And shout out to Columbus State University.
[57:36]
Monet X Change
I love Columbus State University.
[57:38]
Bob the Drag Queen
Shout out to Michael Stone stickers. Shout out to Summer McCusker. Shout out to John O. Davis. Shout out to all y'. All.
[57:46]
Monet X Change
Okay. Shout out to Whoopi Goldberg, to Viola Davis, to. Who else went to Juilliard?
[57:50]
Bob the Drag Queen
Ballistic didn't go to Juilliard.
[57:51]
Monet X Change
She did. She has an honorary for them or something like that. She didn't go. She said.
[57:58]
Jacob
Goodbye.
[57:59]
Bob the Drag Queen
Oh, my God. Whoopi did not go to Juilliard.
[58:04]
Monet X Change
It.