The One About Talk Shows

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The One About Talk Shows"

Episode Information

• Title: The One About Talk Shows
• Release Date: February 17, 2025
• Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen and Monet X Change
• Podcast: Sibling Rivalry by Studio71

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1. Introduction to Talk Shows and Their Impact

In this episode, Bob the Drag Queen and Monet X Change delve into the intricate world of talk shows, examining their cultural impact and the often problematic dynamics behind the scenes.

Key Discussion Points:

• Problematic Nature of Talk Shows: The hosts discuss how certain talk shows, such as "Jenny Jones" and "Maury Povich," have been notorious for sensationalizing personal conflicts and controversies.

  Bob the Drag Queen [21:50]: "Jenny Jones was 100% a talk show. This is without a shadow of a doubt."

• Jenny Jones Incident: They recount the infamous incident where a guest on "Jenny Jones" confessed love to another man, leading to tragic consequences.

  Bob the Drag Queen [21:50]: "He wanted to confess his love to the straight guy... Later, he went and killed that gay guy."

2. Comparing Different Talk Show Formats

The hosts compare various talk shows, highlighting their unique formats and the elements that classify them as such.

Key Insights:

• Definition of a Talk Show: Monet references the formal definition, emphasizing the role of audience participation and informal discussions.

  Monet X Change [21:03]: "A talk show is a television radio show in which various topics are discussed informally and listeners, viewers, or the studio audience are invited to participate."

• Ricki Lake vs. Jenny Jones: Bob clarifies distinctions between different talk shows, such as "Ricki Lake" and "Jenny Jones," noting that the former had unique features like the "Ding Dong" doorbell.

  Bob the Drag Queen [23:11]: "Ricky Lake had the doorbell, which was the..."

3. The Dark Side of Competition Shows

Transitioning from traditional talk shows, Bob and Monet explore the challenges and emotional toll of participating in competition-based reality TV shows.

Personal Experiences:

• Monet’s Audition for American Idol: She shares her grueling audition process, detailing the long hours and disappointment of not advancing despite significant effort.

  Monet X Change [39:25]: "I was there for over 12 hours, and I didn't get through."

• Bob’s Journey on America’s Got Talent: Bob recounts his audition experience, including the emotional distress of failing to impress judges and dealing with inappropriate advances from a guest host.

  Bob the Drag Queen [50:07]: "Howard Stern starts to sexually harass us... 'I could have any one of you I wanted.'"

Critical Analysis:

• Exploitation and Pressure: The hosts critique how these shows exploit participants' dreams, often leading to emotional and psychological strain.

  Bob the Drag Queen [53:17]: "Making it to the second round does not mean you're the best of the best. It means you're the most entertaining of the most entertaining."

4. Reality vs. Portrayal in Media

Examination of how reality TV portrays competition and talent, often prioritizing entertainment over genuine skill or fairness.

Highlights:

• Selective Screening: They discuss the rigorous screening process participants undergo before appearing on camera, emphasizing that the final televised rounds may not reflect true talent.

  Monet X Change [39:10]: "I submitted my thing online... I had to be ready."

• Manipulation for Ratings: Monet and Bob argue that shows often manipulate situations to enhance drama and viewer engagement, sidelining authentic talent in favor of sensationalism.

5. Modern Competition Shows and New Trends

The conversation shifts to contemporary competition shows, particularly Mr. Beast's "Beast Games," analyzing its format and impact compared to traditional shows.

Insights:

• Mr. Beast’s Approach: They describe "Beast Games" as a high-stakes competition focused on chance and large monetary rewards, contrasting it with talent-based shows.

  Bob the Drag Queen [54:10]: "Mr. Beast is the most followed YouTuber... his whole thing is he just... he gives out a lot of money."

• Philanthropic Efforts vs. Entertainment: While acknowledging Mr. Beast's charitable acts, the hosts question the sustainability and motives behind such formats.

  Monet X Change [55:21]: "The Challenge was so good."

6. Interactive Segment: Russian Roulette Game

In a playful and tension-filled segment, Bob and Monet engage in a mock game of Russian roulette, demonstrating their quick wit and chemistry.

Notable Moments:

• Game Mechanics: They humorously simulate the perilous game, using number generators to decide outcomes.

  Bob the Drag Queen [58:03]: "So, Monet, we're both going to bring up a one through six number Generator."

• Humorous Banter: The segment is filled with laughter and playful threats, showcasing their dynamic interaction.

  Monet X Change [60:02]: "This is my party at my house."

7. Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts

As the episode concludes, Bob and Monet reflect on their discussions, highlighting the need for greater awareness and reform in the realms of talk and competition shows.

Closing Remarks:

• Call for Accountability: They emphasize the importance of holding show producers and hosts accountable for the well-being of participants.

  Bob the Drag Queen [36:11]: "Just addressing one thing doesn't mean that other things aren't also being addressed."

• Encouragement for Listeners: The hosts encourage listeners to critically engage with the media they consume and advocate for more ethical production practices.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Bob the Drag Queen [21:50]: "Jenny Jones was 100% a talk show. This is without a shadow of a doubt."
• Monet X Change [21:03]: "A talk show is a television radio show in which various topics are discussed informally and listeners, viewers, or the studio audience are invited to participate."
• Bob the Drag Queen [50:07]: "Howard Stern starts to sexually harass us... 'I could have any one of you I wanted.'"
• Bob the Drag Queen [53:17]: "Making it to the second round does not mean you're the best of the best. It means you're the most entertaining of the most entertaining."

Conclusion

In "The One About Talk Shows," Bob the Drag Queen and Monet X Change provide a candid and critical examination of the talk show and competition show industries. Through personal anecdotes, sharp analysis, and engaging dialogue, they uncover the underlying issues that make these formats both captivating and controversial. This episode serves as a compelling conversation for listeners interested in media critique, entertainment ethics, and the personal experiences of two beloved comedy figures.

Transcript

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Huddle up. It's me, Angel Reese. You can't beat the postgame burger and fries, right? Know what else you can't beat? The Angel Reese Special. Let's break it down. My favorite barbecue sauce, American cheese, crispy bacon, pickles, onions, and a sesame seed bun, of course. And don't forget the fries and the drink. It's gonna be a high C for me. Sound good? All you have to do to get it is beat me in a one on one. I'm just playing get the Angel Reese special at McDonald's now. Ba da ba ba ba. I participate in restaurants for a limited time. Um, I think I just won my taxes. Yeah, I just switched to HR block in about one minute. All I had to do was drag and drop last year's return into H and R Block and bam. My information is automatically there so I don't have to go digging around for all my old papers to switch. Nope.

[Monet X Change]

Sounds like we just leveled up our tax game. Switching to H and R Block is easy. Just drag and drop your last return. It's better with block.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[Monet X Change]

And I'm Monet X James.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this is sibling rivalry. On this week's episode, a bug flies into Monet's air.

[Monet X Change]

We talk about talk shows and we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Found out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

It's like very like over the top, like doing like crazy things. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh shit. That is hot. That is hot. That take is hot.

[Monet X Change]

Comfortable in my skin. Are you indie Ari Frat India Re fan?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know a few indie Ari songs. I mean, I don't know, I would not want to be like I'm like a big indie Ari fan. But are you like a big indie Ari fan?

[Monet X Change]

I used to be back in the day. Not saying I'm not anymore, but I, I, I think I love Indy cuz she's a low singing. I love a low singing woman. I love an alto. I love a low, low, low rich boy. This is beautiful to me. I used to wake up to this song. This too shall pass. It was my, it was my alarm thing every morning and I would like start my day with this. Who shall pass?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just remember really loving her, her, her raps. Brown skin, you know what I'm talking about?

[Monet X Change]

Which one?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her raps, like her head raps.

[Monet X Change]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I always thought they were really, really lovely. I was really into like, I was really into Erykah Badu. India music.

[Monet X Change]

You remember music music, music. Soul Child.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anyone who who looked Bohemian Negro, I was really into back in the day. It was really a big vibe for me.

[Monet X Change]

Bohemian Negro is hilarious.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Um, do you know B. Simone?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, I just saw her hot take.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So B. Simone has done a hard pivot to Christian comedy.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, her content is now like, Jesus based. Like, a lot of her jokes are like. Tell me. You talk about her take about being like, I'm not letting nobody who does horoscopes come into. Come into my field. Yeah, that was the whole thing. In fact, here's the video of B. Simone talking about.

[Monet X Change]

And that woman on TikTok with the dreads. I love her. She's so. I love her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She is someone I would never want to go toe to toe with, girl, ever. Not once would I ever want to. I'd be like, you got it. You got it, sis.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, she's amazing. But they're amazing, sir. I don't know their pronouns, but they're amazing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But what I'm getting, what I'm getting. Yeah, yeah, watch it. What I'm getting at is so B. Simone. If you look at her content lately. So B. Simone, basically, you saw the video and B. Simone has been making this content where she's like, talking about religion and being a Christian and, you know, yada yada, yada, blase, blase, blase. And how she don't want nobody in her life with crystals who does their horoscopes and stuff. And I want to say there's something that needs to be studied about the hard pivot to Christian based comedy.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I don't know a lot of people who hard pivot. I mean, I don't know a lot of people that do that. Like, aren't there a lot of comedians here that just pivot to Christian comedy? Yeah, I don't know any of them. Who? Ricky Smiley. He's always Christian, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Steve Harvey is someone who did it. So Steve Harvey had this whole year, he was like, I'm gonna be religious. I'm not going to swear. I'm going to start making these kinds of decisions. And also, not necessarily just stand up comedy, but like people who are, like, pivoting to religious based people who become Christian content creators out of nowhere. I personally think it's a grift.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I guess. But also I think that, you know, a lot of people find religion at different times in life where you start out, you grew up religious, and then you stray and you backslide and then you find religion Again, yeah, I don't think that. I don't think that's weird. And obviously celebrities are. People who have fame, aren't exempt from. From this experience. But it's just. We notice it more because they're. They have platforms, and their whole platform. If they go back to church, the whole platform is going to shift. As opposed to your friend Nancy, who don't have a platform. Like, if she finds the Lord again and finds the light and starts going to church again, no one really notices. But if Steve Harvey does, he's a massive celebrity.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I guess my question, too, is, like, B. Simone in her comedy and also. And sometimes she seems to give, like, a lot of advice and stuff, you know what I mean? Of, like, I guess how to be successful or live a peaceful life or a happy life or something. But also, I don't know if her life seems peaceful. Like, she feel like she's always in some drama.

[Monet X Change]

Is she?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Hmm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, be promoting drama.

[Monet X Change]

I don't follow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, there was a whole podcast that got shut down with her, and then she did this big reveal where she was like, I'm back. In fact, speaking of being back, we are back with sibling vocabulary.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We had. This is our word. This is each of our word of the day. You all see them right there?

[Monet X Change]

Mm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How do you think you're gonna do?

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I think I'm gonna nail it, you know, considering how recalcitrant B. Simone is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think so?

[Monet X Change]

Mm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What does recalcitrant mean again, by the way?

[Monet X Change]

You know. You know what it means.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't. I literally have no clue, Bob.

[Monet X Change]

You don't know. You don't know what recalcitrantly means?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I've never even heard that word.

[Monet X Change]

It means, like, to, like, disobey, be defiant.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Work. Thank you for telling me that. You learn from the everyday. You know what I mean? Yeah. Let me just go ahead and write that word down so I can make sure I have that for my notes later. Just want to make sure I get that in the notes. There we go. All right. But I mean, I feel like B. Simone and what's her name? Jess. Hilarious. Are in this, like. Like a black woman TikTok comedy. TikTok Instagram comedy space. Also. Blame it on Quay is in the same realm.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I love Blame It On Quay, though. Met Blame it on Quay. Great, great, great. Very funny, very sweet. I love Blame It On Quay. Is that. Is that not your experience?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know whether or not Quay is sweet. I don't think I. I don't think that I would not define Quay as very funny. Like calling Blame it on Quay very funny as well.

[Monet X Change]

Very funny. I said he's very nice. He's very sweet. I just talk about his talents and.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You just called him funny. You just said funny.

[Monet X Change]

Did I say funny?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

100%. You said funny without a shove that. You said very sweet, very kind, very funny.

[Monet X Change]

Well, let me think about that. I do find his skits as tt. I do. I do find it to be very funny, actually. So. Yeah. But I don't know it to be a standup, though. I think he's just a comedic actor. Like his. His brand of comedy is doing skits and doing funny skits and bits like that. But he's not. I mean, that's not wrong. I don't know if he's out here doing stand up, but I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

His comment is like, look, look, my. The joke is that I'm embodying stereotypes, specific stereotypes about black women. And that is the joke. The joke doesn't have anything. It's like, eh. Like, the joke is like, my man better not be talking to no girls, honey. Cause my man we fighting.

[Monet X Change]

He does a lot of physical comedy. Like the one where he's doing like the car thing when he's like, between the two cars. And it's like stretching him to a thing like he does. He does that is a big part of it. Very, you know, Madea, very Martin, very Shanaynay, very Lawanda. Jamie Foxx. But he's also doing like, physical acts. He has a lot of physical comedy. Very like, I mean, again, not the same. Because I think she's honestly in a league of her own. Especially when we were kids. Raven Simone is such a great actress and such a great physical comedian, but it's like very like over the top, like, doing like crazy things with his body.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's something I want to tell you. Oh. Gg. Gg. Gg good gg. Ggg. Gg good gg, good gg, good gg. Gg good gg good gg good gg. Gg. Gg. Gg. Gg good house of Avalon. Gg, gg good gg. Gg good gg.

[Monet X Change]

GG.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Gg.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, not, not, not about throwing ass.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I wasn't trying. I was trying to do the dance where you kind of skip backwards.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The jerk. Is that the jerk?

[Monet X Change]

The jerk. I think, yeah, that's a jerk.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you Jerk?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Of course you can.

[Monet X Change]

I can't. Macaroni definitely not right now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh.

[Monet X Change]

Cause.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The cause. The cause of the foot. How do you feet feel right now? How many days post op are you?

[Monet X Change]

This is. I'm exactly three weeks, 21 days post op. And this was swollen. They took off my splints and stuff today, and they're so swollen, and then. So I have to wear a foot file.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I spare you for the first time in 21 days.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And how did you feel? They're swollen, bro.

[Monet X Change]

They look gross. They have. Because of the swelling, which I didn't know. For people who are darker skin, when you have swelling, like, you can have a little hyperpigmentation. It's not hyperpigmentation. It's surface pigmentation, which will go away in like a month or two from the swelling there. So they look a little. Look a little weird. I haven't put. They haven't been, like, washed or fucking pedicured in three weeks. So my feet look gnarly. I do not. Like, they're like, do you want to do a video? I was like, I do not. I'm not doing a video today. I was like, my feet. Look. I'm not putting these. These dogs on the Internet right now. Hell, no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You've never gone three weeks out getting.

[Monet X Change]

A pedicure or washing my feet or soaping them or cleansing my feet. No, never. I've never.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Pedicure, huh? I just went through pedicure.

[Monet X Change]

Pedigree. Yes. But I haven't. They have not seen soap and water.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I understand. I understand. I'm so sorry that you're going through that.

[Monet X Change]

It's disgusting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How do they smell?

[Monet X Change]

They don't smell, actually. I was like. So that was interesting. Are they. There's no smell. There's no smell on my feet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe because you're not sweating.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, they're not sweating. And I mean, I've been doing things like I've been taking a warm rag and, like, doing them, but they're like certain tapes. Holding the toes. Not holding. Holding the toes together is crazy. There are certain splints positioning the toes so I can't get those wet. So I basically been able to wash my feet with a warm rag from, like, the middle. Like from your arch back on the top and bottom, so the front part hasn't been cleansed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can't tell you what. Kind of drives me crazy. I don't know why it drives me crazy.

[Monet X Change]

What?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When people act like they've never skipped a shower. I don't know why that drives me crazy, but it does drive me crazy.

[Monet X Change]

What does? Never skip A shower. Mean, like, they've never not showered a day in their life.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, they kind of, like, insinuate that, like, I will skip a shower maybe like once a week. Maybe. Maybe that's. I mean, it depends. If I'm working, I will take, like two or three showers a day because I shower before I work and I shower after I work and I will shower after the gym. So lately I have been not skipping any shower because I work out and I've been touring, like, nonstop. Obviously, I'm going to shower after every show because I am, like, not only. Not only am I sweaty, but, like, I cannot lay down on a pillow without washing my face. It will look like a fudgeing mudslide. It will ruin my. My. My bedding.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah. So I think. So I've been into. Not been into. But I. I like wearing. I like use, like having white or off white bedding at home. So if I do drag, I shower before I go to bed if I've been in drag. And also I. I go to the gym at least five to six times a week. So I'm also showering every after that. So I rarely do not shower because I'm either going to the gym or in drag. So I will shower every day.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, every day of your life is not. It's not feasible. No one's showering every day.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, every day of your life. I mean, I've definitely skipped showering here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Honestly, bro, at the beginning of the lockdown, I was like, I have nowhere to be, nothing to do. I was like, well, the girlies who.

[Monet X Change]

Are natural deodorant girlies or don't wear deodorant girlies. Also, some adults just you. I know for me, if I don't shower, 24 hours is the most I can go. I cannot do 48. No showers. Cause my pits start to smell. So I'm not a. I'm not a. I'm not a more than 48 hours girly. I have to. Or else I just smell like B.O.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, my pits smell before 48 hours. I don't need 48 hours for my pits start smelling.

[Monet X Change]

No, I can go. I can go 24 hours without deodorant. After 24 hours, I have to shower. Get me to a shower.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

As a. I have a theory. I think it's about how much deodorant you're wearing all the time. I used to wear a comical amount of deodorant. A truly.

[Monet X Change]

Were you a spray or a roll on the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The antiperspirant not the gel stuff. The white powdery stuff from, I think in third grade one time someone called me musty and it traumatized me very much so. So I became. I became the egg gold medalist in the Hygiene Olympics. An actual genuine gold medalist like you could. You would never catch me without a crease in my pants. Without this much deodorant, showering this many times a day. You would not catch me in these streets. So I would put on deodorant like this, which I did not find out was too much until I was an adult. Show me. Show me yourself. Putting on deodorant. Show me. You put deodorant on your face.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I was going through my whole routine. Oh, just deodorant part.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want the deodorant. I just want the deodorant, please. This was me from 9 years old until about 2215. From here to here. There came a point where I literally couldn't sweat from my armpits.

[Monet X Change]

That's not even healthy. Well, the girl looks like a.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What are you telling? Like, I kept being. I used to never understand why people had pit stains. I was like, why do you have pit stains, Monet? When I was sweat, it would be wet everywhere. Except here. The whole shirt could be wet, dry.

[Monet X Change]

Well, people that get Botox and they say that you can get Botox in your armpits and not sweat in your armpits. I'm like, that has to be. It just. That feels like it was just. I guess it just goes somewhere else. But maybe that's why you're sweating so heavily everywhere else, because your. Your fucking armpits were clogged up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe. I don't fucking know. But I remember being. And I remember one day reading something and someone was like. I remember being like. I was like, I don't. Because also, you know, it was one day I was wearing a backpack and I had the sweat mark, and the sweat mark went from here, and then it just stuck. Stopped shy. And the sweat mark. Didn't you ever have the sweat. Sweat mark from backpack?

[Monet X Change]

I don't wear. I. I had. I had a messenger bag or a rolly bag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you used to have one of these sweat, sweat marks?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Even in your adulthood? I guess you don't. I don't have I ever seen you wear a backpack?

[Monet X Change]

I wear backpacks in the airport.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anyway. And they were like, that's unhealthy.

[Monet X Change]

See, you have to consult someone who's very, like, sagacious. Like Raja. Like Raja in her sage, like, wisdom. She will. Like, she is good at. She gives no deodorant, but you don't ever smell it. She's good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I don't think you should put on, like, a lugubrious amount of fucking deodorant. Don't go crazy. Don't be, like, slathering your whole, you know, from. From the pit to the decolletage.

[Monet X Change]

Huh?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean? What's the money? Well, in fact, what's funny, after this break, I'm going to get some candy. Again.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know about you, but sometimes I feel like meal planning takes more time than actually cooking. Like, after a long night of hooking, trade had liked a decision. So I wanted to make the meal. And the last thing I want to do is spend hours in the kitchen. Dooda. After that, I just spent hours doing something else. Which is exactly why I love Home Chef. Users of leading meal kits have rated Home Chef number one in quality, convenience, value, taste, and recipe ease.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

We know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I.

[Monet X Change]

And.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

Wait, what's the topic today, Jacob?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Talk shows.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah, Talk shows.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, Monae, you are not currently hosting a talk show. You're hosting a YouTube chat show. What do you call it?

[Monet X Change]

It's a YouTube chat show that I release as a podcast.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I'm not allowed to call it a podcast. And I'm not allowed to call it a talk show. Is it?

[Monet X Change]

No, you can't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't call it a podcast.

[Monet X Change]

You can because we released it. When you talk about the podcast, you're like, oh, I heard on the podcast this morning, if you watch the video. But like, on a YouTube chat show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel like one time you told me it wasn't a podcast. That's fine. You've evolved. So. But is it a talk show, though?

[Monet X Change]

Is it. No, it's a chat show. When I think a talk show, I think talk show have other elements. Like, I think about the talk shows, right. Wendy Williams is a talk show. Like, they're. I just think, what makes something a talk show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe, like, what makes me a talk show. She didn't really. She didn't always have guests.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. I mean, except when she did a day of Hot Topics. But other than that, she. If it wasn't a day of Hot Topics, she would do a talk show. A guest. Jenny Jones was a talk show, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jenny Jones was 100% a talk show. This is without a shadow of a doubt.

[Monet X Change]

So I guess what makes. Should we define what a talk show is? Let me just look up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, do you know about what happened with Jeannie Jones and the gay guy?

[Monet X Change]

No. Okay, so a talk show is a television radio show in which various topics are discussed informally and listeners, viewers, or the studio audience are invited to participate. So I think, yeah, the talk show is a participating. You had a. I did have a talk show. Xtranger was a talk show. For sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What? I mean, wait, so is the audience. That's what makes the talk show me.

[Monet X Change]

Maybe a studio audience. What makes it a talk show? Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, interesting. What were you talking about? Something.

[Monet X Change]

I just want to say, Jenny Jones.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Jenny Jones, this show got canceled because after an episode she had this gay guy on who wanted to confess his love to a straight guy. I'm pretty sure I might be misremembering a few things here. He wanted to confess his love to the straight guy. The straight Guy was like, I'm not gay. I'm not gay. He got kind of weird, but he didn't get, he didn't go full on, like, like, you know, crazy homophobe. He was kind of like, I'm uncomfortable. And then later on when they went home, he went and killed that gay guy.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I, I, I vaguely remember this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For what year was W. Oh my God. This must have been like either somewhere between 1998, 2001, I would say, Jacob, maybe you can find that out.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I, I used to watch because what I used. Cause when I would get like stay home sick or whatever, Jenny Jones was still on the air. So this had to have been like 2000, 2000, 2001. But maybe they're showing reruns. No, but that's not, that's not the type of show you show reruns, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, you do. Did you. Yeah, because, I mean, maybe not old, old reruns, but they, but they, they would show it multiple times a day.

[C]

It ran 91 to 2003.

[Monet X Change]

So does that make sense? Yeah. Jenny Jones. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I used to love watching Jenny Jones as a kid. I used to be late.

[Monet X Change]

She's the one that had, she's the one that had the door, the Ding Dong.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's Ricky Lake.

[Monet X Change]

Janie Jones didn't have a door aspect.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She might have had a door, but I know for a fact Ricky Lake.

[Monet X Change]

Had a door that had like the Ding Dong. And when the Ding Dong came in, that means it was like some, some crazy thing was about to happen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was Ricky Lake. Jenna Jones might have had a doorbell, but I know for a fact Ricky Lake had a doorbell, which was the.

[Monet X Change]

One that had like all the, all the drag queens on. Was that Jenny Jones, the iconic clip Maury? No, it was, I think with Jenny Jones had like Shaquita and all of them on it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, they were, they were kind of all doing it, but the one they did it the most was Maury, which is where the famous quote, that's a man, Maury comes from.

[Monet X Change]

About who Shaquita.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So it was just something that people would say frequently. It'd be a bunch of drag queens on stage. And some of the drag queens were trans women. Some of the drag queens were non binary amen people. Some of the drag queens were gay boys. Some of the drag queens were, Some of the drag queens were CIS women. There were all these drag queens on stage and then people from the audience had to guess who is and isn't a man. And then someone famously Said, that's a man, Maury. I don't remember who they're pointing at. They kept pointing at somebody going, that's a man, Maury. Which is why I always say dasaman. Maury is a good drag name.

[Monet X Change]

Dasaman is not a name. I guess it could be, actually.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dasaman could absolutely be a name.

[Monet X Change]

It could be a name. You're right. I can hear that. Dasaman. Dasaman.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dasaman Mori.

[Monet X Change]

Honestly, I might change my name to Dasaman. Dasaman. Burton. Dasaman. Burton.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dasaman Mori is a great drag name. What could say, Ms. Dasaman Mori.

[Monet X Change]

Although Dasaman sounds like it sounds like a masculine name. Dasaman.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It could be Dasaman, but it's not as good as Dasaman. Dasaman Mori. I mean, did you watch any of those shows? I mean, in the early 90s, these shows were like. They were. They owned the airway. I was a huge Ricki Lake fan. I actually got Jerry Springer. I actually got to be on Ricky Lake's talk show. Not her talk show, her podcast.

[Monet X Change]

You what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I got to be on Ricky Lake's podcast.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, really? What was the podcast about?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was about the Ricky Lake show. Like.

[Monet X Change]

Like the Good, the Bad and the Ugly, like, talking about. Because I'm sure Ricky Lake is not absolved from having problematic takes back then. It was just a different time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not 100% sure what the whole. I haven't listened to episodes that I wasn't on, to be honest. But we were just talking. We talked about the impact of Ricky Lake, and it was mostly about the guests, honestly, it was really about me. But then I would talk about. Then we would have a moment talking about Ricki Lake. And I believe the reason why, if I recall correctly, she did with Callan Allen and Callen Allen didn't watch the Ricki Lake show, so. And a lot of the guests, I mean, I grew up watching the Ricki Lake show. And to be honest, Ricky Lake had one of the least problematic talk shows out there. I mean, when it comes to, like, Jenny Jones, Maury, Maury Povich, and specifically.

[Monet X Change]

Jerry Springer, Jerry Springer was probably my teak. That show that they would literally use it to out people. They were like, that show was insane. Watch it. It was like watching the wwe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

E. Was Jerry Springer a mayor?

[Monet X Change]

He was a governor. I think of somewhere.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it was a mayor. I can't remember. What was it?

[Monet X Change]

Jacob of Springfield, Illinois?

[C]

No, he was mayor of Cincinnati.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He was the mayor of Cincinnati. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Is Jerry's parents still alive?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, he's dead, girl. He has fully abdicated his duties.

[C]

He died in 2023 at age 79.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, he has fully advocated his duties as a TV show host.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then.

[Monet X Change]

And then his. His security guard, it became his show, the Steve Wilko Show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, Steve had a show before. Before. Before Jerry Springer show went off the air.

[Monet X Change]

Did he?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I'm almost positive we can look that up, too, but I'm pretty sure.

[Monet X Change]

That'S Steve justice for Officer Burke. Where his show at?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that. Is that Judge Judy's guy?

[Monet X Change]

Yes. Where's Judge Will? Where. Where's Officer Birch show?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, no shade, but I think Steve was working a little harder than Officer Burke.

[Monet X Change]

Bird. Bird.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bird, I think. I think Steve was working a little harder than Bird on that show because.

[Monet X Change]

He was separating people from fighting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, Monet, yes. That is exactly why. What did Bird do? Hand people paper, bring evidence back and forth? That's all he was doing. But he was holding.

[Monet X Change]

He was holding that. He held. He held that court together. People were intimidated by his, you know, by his gravitas.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Everyone's Hamid up with that tiny little Jewish lady up there.

[Monet X Change]

Judge Judy Scheinlin. When did. When did the. When did the courtroom TV shows take over? Remember that? Like Judge Mathis, Judge Maybelline, Judge Joe Brown.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because then it might have been the People's Court.

[Monet X Change]

Is that the lady that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's malfunction.

[Monet X Change]

The Republican lady. What's her name?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her name is Judge. She's a white woman.

[Monet X Change]

Judge Jeanine Shapiro.

[C]

Joseph Wapner.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, what about.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Where's Janine Shapiro from?

[C]

Oh, he was the original. I don't know. Maybe there's a different one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And to be clear, Jeanine Shapiro is not the same.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Not Shapiro. Baby, it's Pirro.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, it's Pirro.

[Monet X Change]

She's not related to Ben Shapiro, even though they have similar takes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, is Jeanine Pirro the one who. The white conservative lady? Who. Is that the same one?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She also. She was. She really wants you to know that she is from, like, Latin country because she's always Jeanine Piero. She almost like. She always. Like, we have a saying in Spanish. She always does that. She always does that.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I feel like I don't even know if these are real sayings.

[Monet X Change]

I think a fly just flew in my ear, by the way. Like, I heard.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm like.

[Monet X Change]

And I'm trying to play cool on the air, but I think a fly just flew my air.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This sounds really.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. I want to ask you something. Okay, then we'll get into a talk show. But like, you see now all these campaigns right to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We've been in a talk show about.

[Monet X Change]

Tyra Banks and how problematic America's Next Top Waddle. I can't. America's Next Top Model was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You have a top waddle right now, number one.

[Monet X Change]

And I get it. But hot take, albeit problematic, Tyra Bank. The show was just amplifying how problematic the modeling world was at large. Tyra wasn't making up that they Fat shame, they're transphobic, they're racist.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. Oh, shit. That is hot. That is hot. That take is hot.

[Monet X Change]

Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Woo.

[Monet X Change]

No, I'm saying, like, we can hold tyrants. It's like we're holding Tyra Banks accountable but not talking about how toxic the model industries are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Large.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. We have people like, what's the trans woman? And just one Model of the Year.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jessica.

[Monet X Change]

No, her name was something. Something. Cassandra. Right. Trans woman.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like.

[Monet X Change]

Like that would have. Which. Although I think the. I don't know, whatever. Kasani. Everyone knows. I think Alex Kasani. And like, which I don't. Jacob, can you look up how old the Model Awards are? I feel like I don't remember hearing Naomi Campbell or Tara Bangs or Gisele won Model of the Year. I think these are new awards.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To be clear, these awards only get recognition when a trans woman wins it. No one ever cared about Athlete Woman of the Year until Caitlyn Jenner won it. No, I don't think a person out there can name another Woman of the Year. I literally don't think that Woman of.

[Monet X Change]

The Year or Athlete of the Year.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Woman of the Year. Caitlyn Jenner won Woman of the Year.

[Monet X Change]

For who? Who, who, who, who gives that award?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. When they Google it, I don't know, someone gives it out. But I don't think anyone out there can actually name another person who won Woman of the Year. It only mattered once a trans woman won it, you know?

[Monet X Change]

Well, no, Bob. Oh, Time magazine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. And I'm not saying you can't name a person who's won it, but without looking up, can you name another woman who won it?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. No, but Caitlyn didn't win that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Caitlyn Jenner. Well, look at the one that she won. Caitlyn Jenner won Woman of the Year.

[Monet X Change]

I think she won a Glamour. Glamour Woman of the Year.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There it is.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. No, I don't know anyone else was wanted. But what I was saying is that, yes, the show, whatever, they're amplifying that. But we need to talk about how bad. I mean, again, it's come. I mean, I'm not a model. I never worked as a model. I don't think I ever will work as a model. But obviously the community has shifted and you know, it's gotten a lot better. But it's just like all the like toxic, all the toxic shit. Janice Dickinson would say, Fucking Nigel Barker would say. I'm like, they were all part of the bigger problem which, which is the modeling industry at large. Well, no one's talking about that. There's like, well, Tyra's evil and she made them do this. Let's take a break. And we're not here too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[C]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[C]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[C]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[C]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[C]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think people have been talking about problematic stuff in the modeling industry for a very long time. Like I, I, I don't think it is a new conversation.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know any of this stuff. I feel like, I feel like I've only heard it about Tyra Banks in the show. I haven't heard about how they didn't feed the models this at the at The Dolce and Gabbana, this. You know what I mean? Like, I. I feel like I don't hear about that stuff, but apparently it happens all the time, but we don't hear about it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like I do, but maybe you and I are just having very different experiences. I mean, I'm obviously not a model. You know what I mean? But, like, it's not absurd to imagine that, like, you know, my things that I see in the modeling world could coalesce into one. Like, there's gotta be some fusion at some point where we see the same things.

[Monet X Change]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I just feel like, to me, it's pretty clear that I've always. I've always heard these things. It's something I've always heard personally. Yeah, like, you never heard about, like, models not eating enough and models working long hours and models getting fat, shamed.

[Monet X Change]

But not to the extent where it's like Tyra Banks, where it was like, we need to take her down. She is evil. What she has done to the model community has destroyed lives. I'm like, that can be true. But why are we talking about all what you talking about? That has happened to a lot of people and happened to way more people than the. Than the. Than the women Tyra has affected on her show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If someone. If everyone is speeding and the cop pulls you over, you can't go, what about them? You got pulled over.

[Monet X Change]

This is true. But I'm saying. But Tyra is a fraction is a small percentage of a bigger problem that we're not addressing a bigger problem. We're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this one. Let the show. But the girls are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

They're calling them niggers and they're making their way to this, and they're like, whatever, whatever. But this one right here, it's like, well, yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And just addressing one thing doesn't mean that other things aren't also being addressed. Like, I don't understand. What is the option? Just leave Tyra alone and get everyone else? No, the option leaves Tyler alone and get everyone else at the same time.

[Monet X Change]

No, the option is to get everyone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because people have been. People have been talking about Janice Dixon being a monster for a very long.

[Monet X Change]

Time, but very similar. Different experience than Tyra Banks, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We've been talking about Naomi Campbell being aggressive and violent for a very, very long.

[Monet X Change]

She gets awarded for her behavior.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I think she's getting awarded for different things. She's being awarded for being a good model for being A good model and she's being a dress for. For if she's going to jail or doing community service.

[Monet X Change]

She went to jail.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, she got arrested. That's why she. That's why she got.

[Monet X Change]

Was this. Was this the phone incident?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She attacked someone with a cell phone.

[Monet X Change]

Right. I don't know if she went to jail.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, she got arrested. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think, actually, I'm not sure she got arrested, but I know she had to do community service.

[Monet X Change]

I do. I remember that. I remember the community service of it all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And of course, these models are the forward facing people. Right. So people have been talking about how Anna Wintour is an absolute monster to models and not just have they do.

[Monet X Change]

What I said, have they.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's a whole book. There's a whole movie about it.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Devil Esprada.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, there's a whole movie about it.

[Monet X Change]

Mm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean? So I think people have been addressing it in their ways here and there over different things. And I don't think anyone's accusing Tyra, actually. I don't know because I have not seen the documentary yet, but I don't think anyone's accused entire of anything illegal. They're just saying it was not nice.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think. I don't think it was illegal. I don't think it was illegal work. No. I want to watch the documentary, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A comment that needs to be had. The way that they treat people who used to audition for these talent shows.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I was on the receiving end of it, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Me too. It's y'all, it's. I genuinely think that it should be criminal, the stuff they. I have auditioned for America's Got Talent. I have auditioned for Last comic Standing, and I think those are the only two that I've done besides obviously, Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

I did AGT and I did American Idol.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you tell about your experience? Have you seen the video of that girl who. The pink impersonator from London who went crazy and started taking the cameras and.

[Monet X Change]

So attacking the cameras.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

No, I didn't see this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When you hear her side of the story, you're like, yeah, bitch. I would have fucking attacked the cameras too.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Like, you get these, you know, because it's so. It's a cattle call, right? So many. They're casting a huge, wide, wide net in your. In your town, neighborhood, city, whatever it is. And New York City, I mean, I understand. It's. They're probably. They're getting millions of submissions, I would imagine, or close to maybe not millions.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But Thousands is probably a safe assumption.

[Monet X Change]

I would say tens of thousands is a safe assumption for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, also what you guys don't realize too is to get to the audition with the judges, you have to be accepted to get that far.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So to audition in front of the judges, you've already either auditioned or been pre screened by someone else before you even get there. You don't just get to walk in off the street and wait in line and you will be seen by the judges. That's not how that works.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I submitted my thing online. I say you submit online, I'll apply, whatever. And you get a time to tell you, okay, your arrival window is. Your time is between 9 and 10:30. I think mine was that early or it was like eight or nine, something like that. I had to be ready. So I worked the overnight shift at the hotel, so. Bitch, I had to. I worked my shift was I got done at 7am and I started gluing down my eyebrows at 6 at work. Cause I had to be in drag. So then I drive my car to the west side highway to the. By the, by the Intrepid. And I was on the east side, so a little drive, go over there, sit in my car, do my makeup, get done.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right.

[Monet X Change]

At 8:00.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You did it at the ballroom, right?

[Monet X Change]

No, mine was like on the, all the way at the water, on like a thing over there at the water. And then so I get to the thing, I have my little paper printed out, I have my outfit on, my wig, everything handed my sheet. They're like, okay, your time is between 8 and 9. Just stay in this area, someone will call your name. Sat there until y'all might. They said my time was between 8 and 9am they did not call me until 5pm and I was sitting there all day. And then you're afraid that if you go and get lunch, they're gonna call your name, you're gonna miss your opportunity. And all this time you sat there is. So you're just at, you're just at their beck and call, like hoping, like waiting, waiting, waiting around for the, for them to call your name. And there are food options there for like $20 for a fucking turkey sandwich. I'm like, I don't have time, I don't have money for that. So I sat there all day. They finally called me at 5:00. 5:00 wasn't even the thing when they called me at 5 o'clock, that was to get ready then to go do my first round. With the people. That was not until 7pm So I was there for almost 12 hours. And when I finally saw me at 7pm that was for the small audition. I passed that one, then went to another one that happened a little shortly after that, like half an hour later, and I didn't get through. And then I went home. So I was there for over 12 hours, and I didn't get through.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is so. See, y'all don't realize when you see the people on TV crying or breaking down or going crazy, you do not know how much they went through to get there. So when I did America Got Talent, I remember I got scouted. They saw me at. They saw me at Sleepy and Drag, and they were like, we want you to audition for the show. You need to come audition, do the act you did, but do it again for us. And I was like, okay. They're like, but. But the New York City audition's already over. Can you come to Boston?

[Monet X Change]

Because you went to Boston.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

By the way. Boston to audition for the producers, not to audition on camera. Okay, can you come to Boston to audition for the producers? Absolutely. I come to Boston, I audition. They say, it's just not right for this year. I go, okay, next year.

[Monet X Change]

This was a solo act.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

What was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was, I am changing my old. I am changing. And where I did a costume change. I used to come out like Hannibal Lecter with this mask and a straight jacket, and then I would turn. And then I would be wearing the prison jumpsuit and then would turn to a gown. It's the old Cinderella dress trick.

[Monet X Change]

Bob went to Boston with his little panoply of tricks, honey.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then they called me back. The next thing, they were like, hey, we want you to audition again. I said, you know, I don't really want to audition again. I had to go all the way to Boston last time, and I didn't make it in. I just don't want to. But thank you so much for reaching out. And they go, you don't have to audition. You can go straight to the judges this year. I said, oh, wow. Okay. Thank you. That's so exciting. But I don't really want to go by myself. Like, I'm not a magician. Like, I did that one trick. But I would not categorize myself as a magician. Like, I'm a drag queen. I do comedy, and I do. And I do lip sync. So, like, can I do stand up? They're like, no, we don't want you to stand up. We want you to do a number. And I Was like, well, I don't really think that, like, my act. I love my act, but, like, it wouldn't win the show. I'm going to get some friends together. I got my friends. We called ourselves the Glamour Beast. It was me, Brenda darling, Lily Heavenly, Ms. Cracker, Delilah Brooks, and Honeywell Bronx. I want to say we called ourselves the Glamour Beast. And we got up there, all of us, we were hurt, y'all. The process to pick a song was so stressful by.

[Monet X Change]

Because of y'all or because of the people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was. It was like, what can they approve? What do they want? Okay, I don't know. What do they. What do they want? And what can they approve? You know what I mean? So they wanted us to do impersonations. At one point, we were like, we don't really do impersonations, but someone's like, I can do this, I can do that. I can do this, I can do that. None of us are impersonators, but we could. We were going to do I'm Every Woman and come out as different women. That was the whole plan for the number. But then they were like, we. But what I didn't know, which I know now, is that to impersonate someone on TV is way more expensive than just performing the number. Really can't use their likeness. So, like. So if. So let's say if you're going to. If you're going to use a song on a TV show, roughly blanket across the board costs $20,000. Every time you hear a song on a TV show, it costs roughly 25, $20,000 every single time. Once you start lip syncing to it, they're adding more money to it. Now if you look anything like the original artist, they're gonna like it quadruples even if.

[Monet X Change]

How does Drag Race get away with it? Like when they do the nights of a thousand dollars and the fucking Dolly Parton lip sync on there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you can dress like Dolly Parton. You just can't lip sync 2 Dolly Parton song while dressing women.

[Monet X Change]

Lip sync for your life. What do you think that mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, they probably pay a lot of money.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, they have it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So anyway, so we get our video, we get our number together, we end up doing blow by ke$ the number. It's an old dragon number I used to do where we do Blow by, where we have the. We open our jackets, we have these bomb. I have this bomb strapped to my chest. I hit a button, confetti comes out of the top. It's this whole number. Right.

[Monet X Change]

Who rigged that together for you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Me, I did it myself.

[Monet X Change]

So you. The timing of this with these.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, it's not here. It's here. So I have the. I have the bones in my chest and then I have one confetti cannon in the front that's wrapped just like the other ones. They all look the same. And I just press one button in the front.

[Monet X Change]

Got it? Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. So we get there very similar sort of Monet exchange. We need you guys here by 9:00. By 9:00am Full Dragoons. Okay, we'll be there. We'll be there by 9am who is late?

[Monet X Change]

Who was late?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No one.

[Monet X Change]

No one was late.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not a single person. Everybody. We took this so seriously. Monet, full drag, 9am this was the same year of season four of Drag Race. I remember. Cause I chose not to audition because I was gonna be. I was gonna be winning. I was about to win a million dollars.

[Monet X Change]

Hey, RuPaul. I don't need your little stupid little show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't need it. I was about to win a million dollar Vegas residency. Okay, so we get on the show.

[Monet X Change]

We get there at 9:00.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Everyone's ready. Just one second. We'll be right with you all. You'll be right there. We hit the stage at 10:30 P. That's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

13 hours.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

10:30 P to the M. Sorry, it's.

[Monet X Change]

13 and a half hours. That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we were with Honey LeBron. Anyone knows Honey Bronx knows Honey Bronx is wild. She's one of my. One of my old friends. And she is not afraid to ruffle feathers. She is kind of annoying in her own lovable way. And she kept. She kept constantly asking the producers, like, when can we go? When can we go? When can we go? When can we go? When can we go? And she's always eating these cashews. So she'd be popping these cashews in her mouth and going up to the. And she would talk, like, with the cash. She's falling around mouthful. When is it our turn? When's it our turn? Well, actually, no. She has a very thick Midwestern. Oh. Also, when do we get to go? When's our chance to go? When do we get to go on stage? So they finally bring us together, this little interview. And Helena Brooks is eating these cashews while he's trying to talk to us. Kind of like not paying attention. And then we finally hit the stage. We get up on that stage, we do our number and our. As soon as the. The song starts this place about to blow. The. Immediately.

[Monet X Change]

Immediately.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One giant. Actually, I don't know if it was immediately. I can't remember or not, but it was one. There might have been a meeting. I can't remember if it was immediate or not, but there was. Delilah Brooks started fucking up the choreography. She. She got the buzz scared. Delilah Brook, she got like. Like, she was shook, right?

[Monet X Change]

Y girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So. So I remember at one point, I'm do. At one point, we were doing Single ladies. This little moment, we're all facing the same direction. Why are me and Delilah looking each other's eyes? Why did I turn and we are. We are locked. I said, oh, my God. This big group of guys in the front row all dressed the exact same way, all stood up simultaneously. Started going, uh, uh, uh. All is. It was like 15 of them all at once stood up.

[Monet X Change]

That is humiliating.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm like, are they just come here and ex. People, what's going on? And then I think maybe that's when we started getting the buzzes. So one buzz goes. Delilah, I think, starts crying while we're dancing. People are now all facing different directions. We get another buzz. I'm like, I'm not gonna stop dancing. We get our third buzz. XX10 Xian. We have all X's across the board.

[Monet X Change]

Damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

0, X, X, X across the board. Yeah. Chops across the board, honey. Chops across the board.

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then I talked. So I was the leader of the group, right? So naturally. So then I go over and I'm saying, I'm the one with the microphone and me. They never aired this, I think they didn't air. I've talked about this before on different podcasts before. They didn't air it, I think, because they knew it didn't look good. But immediately. Immediately Howard Stern starts to sexually harass us.

[Monet X Change]

How?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He goes, well, that one's got great legs, and that one's really hot, and that one's also kind of sexy. And then I was like, we're not interested. We're not interested. And he goes, I could have any one of you I wanted.

[Monet X Change]

Wait. Jacob has the article here for Entertainment Weekly about the drag queen. Says Howard Stern had a crude sexual reaction to her unaired America's Got Talent audition.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And he was. He kept. He kept asserting like anyone. He kept saying, keke Darling. He kept going to how he wanted. Keke Darling, who was a very tall, slim, caramel, complected, black drag queen.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, Howard Stern, doing his research to know that you are very obstreperous, that you Would not be sitting here letting niggas just talk to you any type of way. You should have fucking did that shit, yo. I cannot believe that. That is so fucking good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, yeah, I think that the gag was we're sitting here and then. And then he and I are going back and forth, and I kept being like, none of us want to have sex with you. Like, you wish. He kept being like, any one of you would be begging me, like, something like that. And obviously they would not air that because it just didn't look good on anyone for him to be having a conversation with us. And then I do remember Sharon Needles going, I'll never forget these words. I will never forget these words. She goes, it looks like you didn't even rehearse.

[Monet X Change]

Sorry, who you mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sharon Osbourne? Sorry.

[Monet X Change]

I was like, wait, Sharon Neal's a part of this group?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sharon Osbourne? It looks like you didn't even rehearse.

[Monet X Change]

You imagine she was like Delilah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So anyway, that was my. And that was just like a.

[Monet X Change]

And then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So then we walk off stage after being completely humiliated. And as we're leaving the stage, we see the producer who, Honey LeBron has been harassing all day. And the girl, some of them are crying, some of them are angry. Some of them just want to go home and get it over with.

[Monet X Change]

And she's eating cashews, like how you did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And he's got his cashews and he's like, oh, what happened out there? Bummer, huh?

[Monet X Change]

Wait, now he's eating cashews, now he's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Eating cashews, screaming at us, being like, oh, what happened out there?

[Monet X Change]

Shady, huh? So, yeah, so when you see these competition shows, these bitches, I mean, I would imagine maybe it's better now, better conditions, but maybe not. When you see these audition shows, people have gone through it. Girl on to get on the show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, they're dangling the carrot of success in front of people's faces who want this more than they want their neck ref.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, guys. And it's not the same as like being on a competition show, but it's these open cattle competition shows where you, like, you get to come in. And the thing about America. The thing about American idol is to make it to the judges room, you have to be screened. So someone heard you sing, heard you sing poorly and chose to put you on TV because you sing poorly.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. William Hung.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Making it to the second round does not mean you're the best of the best. It means you're the most entertaining of the most entertaining.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, they're trying to make tv, y'all. They're trying to make tv. If they put through all good singers, people are like, oh, whatever they have to put. They're making. They're producing a television show. Like, it's tv.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They don't really do it anymore, though. I don't really. I think those have been kind of, like, they're kind of taboo in Hollywood now. Like, you don't.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I don't watch the shows anymore, so I don't know, so I couldn't tell you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And they take. That's why I was watching Mr. Beast lately. This Beast Games. What's it called, Jacob? The Beast Games. The Beastly Games, which is just this. So if you don't know, Mr. Beast is the most followed YouTuber. He is. His whole thing is he just. He's a rich guy who gives out a lot of money. That's his whole. His whole thing is, I'm a very rich man and I give out a lot of money. I give out houses, I give away cars. He's just a rich man who gives a lot of people a lot of stuff. That's his whole bit, being rich and giving money away and houses and cars and yachts and stuff, and spending a lot of money. So he now has his own version of the Squid Game where he invites people over to engage in games of absolute chance and opportunity to win absurd amounts of money. Now, Mr. Beast has also done some great things. Mr. Beast did a thing once where he, like, gave. Can you look at the number? He. He. He did something where he, like, paid these surgeons to do this surgery that will help people. Blind people. See, he gave, like, thousands of blind people vision just as a random YouTube video. So I'm sure he does some charitable things as well. But his main grift is. Is.

[Monet X Change]

Is the show good?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Huh?

[Monet X Change]

Is the show good?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I haven't watched much of it. I haven't watched myself, to be honest. I just watched a few minutes. I keep seeing clips on my for you page.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, the Squid Game show was so good. So if anything, like the Squid Game show, I saw.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Squid Game Challenge.

[Monet X Change]

The Challenge, Yeah, the Challenge one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, Squid Game Challenge, yeah. That's the thing, though. Like, when you're on these shows, like, I mean, obviously I have competed on reality TV shows, clearly. I did RuPaul's Drag Race. I've done America Got Talent. I've done the Traitors. I have done Last Comic Standing. I'm not new to the reality TV world.

[Monet X Change]

But yours were all talent based Though a show like Squigga Challenge or mrbeast show is not a talent. There's not a talent you're coming to the show with, and you're putting that talent against other people. Albeit drag, albeit a manipulator for Traders, albeit a thing, a comedian for Con, for last comic standing there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Strategy. There can be strategy in. In. Because the. The squid game challenge was kind of like a little bit like Survivor, but also with a bunch of chance games. Also, real quick, spoiler alert. To anyone watching the Squid game, the new Squid Game season two, Spoiler alert. So this is your chance. Spoiler alert. You heard me say it. Spoiler alert. I heard.

[Monet X Change]

It's not good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet, we are going to play Russian roulette. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Wait, you were in the middle of a. Wait, you giving me whiplash. You were literally mid sentence about something else, and you just went to the. What were you finished The. Thought you were saying before. I don't remember what I was saying. Jesus Christ.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're gonna play Russian roulette. Okay, Mr.

[C]

Beast, cataract surgery.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. He gave a bunch of people cataract surgery. I don't remember how many it was. I was hoping Jake would look it up, but I don't know how many it was.

[C]

Oh, okay. So, I mean, here's the thing. In the video is titled, I give a thousand people cataract surgery. In the video they do. There are documented 200 cataract surgeries in the US and then the end of the video, he's like, oh, yeah. And we also gave 800 other people in Mexico cataract surgery, but they don't film it, they don't document it. So there's no actual proof that he did a thousand. There is documented proof that he did 2,000, sir. There's documented proof that he did 200.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it.

[Monet X Change]

So my name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're playing Russian roulette. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In the squid game, end of episode one of season two, he takes a gun and he puts a bullet in it. You spin it and you keep shooting until someone gets clicked. So Jacob is going to generate a number, one through six, and you and I are just gonna keep picking until someone hits that number.

[Monet X Change]

And who hits it gets shot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yep.

[Monet X Change]

Damn. Okay, I have a buddy idea. We should do this game in person with a real gun and a real bullet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've never held a gun, and I don't want to start. Okay, Are you ready?

[C]

Yep, I'm ready.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, Monet, we're both going to bring up a one through six number Generator.

[C]

I have it. I have a number.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, but we have to generate. We're not guessing a number. You just generate them.

[C]

Oh, gotcha.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob has the official number. We're just generating numbers as well. So, May, do you have your number generator up?

[Monet X Change]

It's 1, 2, 6.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Type in 1 through 6. Number generator.

[Monet X Change]

I got it. I just know what we're doing. Okay, wait. Got it. Ok. All right. And who goes first?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, tell us to do.

[C]

Okay, we'll start with Bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. 2.

[C]

Nope, you are safe, Bob.

[Monet X Change]

1.

[C]

Monet, you are safe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

1.

[Monet X Change]

No, you can't say number. I already said.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just keep. You have to go again.

[C]

Oh, you want me to generate a new number every time?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Wait, how do we do it, then?

[Monet X Change]

No, Jacob holds onto a number and we get more generic. If one of us. If a number one of us has said it's done, you have to generate again until you get another number, because essentially that number wouldn't be on the table. But we.

[C]

No, I understand. That is true. Gotcha. Okay, so I'm gonna roll every time, okay?

[Monet X Change]

No, you're not gonna roll every time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, wait. So. So, so Moni and I just.

[Monet X Change]

Can I explain the context for a minute? Jacob is gonna hold on to his number. Let's say number is three, right? You're not gonna go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You and I are just picking random numbers. We're not. We're not generating numbers.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. We're just. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So let's start over. Here we go. Jacob, roll that. Roll that number, Jacob.

[C]

Okay, I'm rolling it right now. The number has been selected.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, I'm first again.

[Monet X Change]

I'll go first this time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, go ahead.

[Monet X Change]

And between one and six, right, Jacob?

[C]

Yep.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Four.

[C]

You are safe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One. Bam.

[Monet X Change]

Dad, N, you dead.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, now you two go. You two go.

[Monet X Change]

You ready?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ok. All right. The number has been selected. Monae, you won. So you choose who goes first.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob goes first.

[C]

All right. Six.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You are safe. Four, you are safe. Five, you are safe.

[Monet X Change]

One.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You are safe. Fifty. Fifty, bitch. You are safe, Monet. You have no choice. This is the last one. You're dead, bitch. Bam. That was a crazy. Y'all went all the way to sick. That was crazy.

[Monet X Change]

Pisces power, bitch. Pisces power.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why don't we get another cancer in this bitch so we can scrub you hoes up? All right, well, we.

[Monet X Change]

You know, on this episode, I feel like we. We stayed on the topic for longer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sorry, go ahead. Sorry.

[Monet X Change]

We stayed on the topic for longer than five minutes. That was very impressive on our. I'M very proud of us.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We did. And your word was certainly recalcitrant.

[Monet X Change]

Damn. How'd you know?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You thought, oh, if I do it first, it'll be easy. I know how your brain works fairly.

[Monet X Change]

You did it. And yours was coalesce.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was not.

[Monet X Change]

What was it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My word was. I gotta look it up again. Cause I used it so long ago.

[Monet X Change]

Lugubrious.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lugubrious.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. I literally wrote that down. I was like, of course Bob knows what lugubrious is. It literally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know what lugubrious is, but it was still my word. Just because it's my word. Do you.

[C]

Cause you also used it out of concept. You used it in an incorrect sentence.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I said. No, I didn't.

[C]

Lugubrious means sad and dismal. And you were talking about it applying deodorant.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mine says especially or exaggeratedly or affected. Or affectedly. That's what mine says.

[C]

Let me look what I sent you. Mournful. Especially exaggeratedly or effective?

[Monet X Change]

No, because you.

[C]

Dismal.

[Monet X Change]

Correctly dismal. I win.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You just made up rules. You just made up a rule.

[Monet X Change]

That's what we're doing. We're making rules up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You just made up a whole rule. This feels like the other day, by the way, the other day, before I go. We were at Monet's party and we were like, should you say if the gift is yours? The white elephant. Should you say if the gift is yours?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, this is prime. Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. Ok. You should say if it's your gift. And I know now why Andy didn't want to say what gift was because he's the one who gave out hideous underwear. But Mona was like, you don't have to. And I was like, yeah, but people want to. And everyone kept being like, I want to.

[Monet X Change]

Monet. I was like, everyone. It was literally just you and Jasmine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Kim and Godoy. Everyone who heard the conversation, Everyone.

[Monet X Change]

That's literally less than half of the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

People there chimed in.

[Monet X Change]

Everyone was sitting there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Everybody said, monet, we should vote. Monet didn't want to vote. Monet was scared of democracy because it's my house. And I said, no, Monet's scared of democracy.

[Monet X Change]

It's bipartisan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you don't make the rules. Yes, I do make the rules for your house. But we still have. You can't. Your rule can't be. No one in my house can say that they bought their gift.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, it is. This is my party at my house.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's crazy. You can be like. You can't break my things, but you can't be like, yo, niggas can't breathe.

[Monet X Change]

I had such a fun couple days of activity. I'm so excited. I'm going to New York tomorrow. I'm gonna go see Audra McDonald and Gypsy that I'm going to hang out with. I'm going to the studio on Sunday, and then Bob and I are gonna go see Whoopi Goldberg on Monday. I'm very excited. The next couple days, I'm, like, so excited.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Gang, gang. I'll see you in New York City, my love.

[Monet X Change]

I'll see you more, my love. By.