The One About Wicked

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast Summary

Episode Title: The One About Wicked
Release Date: December 30, 2024
Hosts: Monét X Change, Bob the Drag Queen, and Paul

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Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of Sibling Rivalry, Monét X Change, Bob the Drag Queen, and Paul dive into their passionate and often humorous discussion about the popular musical and movie Wicked. Despite Monét's initial reluctance to engage in the topic, the hosts navigate their differing viewpoints with infectious chemistry and sharp wit.

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Monét's Reluctance vs. The Hosts' Enthusiasm

Monét expresses hesitation about discussing Wicked, citing concerns about alienating listeners who might not be fans of the show. However, Jacob (Bob the Drag Queen) and Paul advocate for the topic, emphasizing its widespread popularity.

• Monét's Concern:
  [03:01] "Monet doesn't want to talk about Wicked."

• Bob's Playful Pushback:
  [04:10] "First of all, what's your gay ass, Black Panther looking ass, nigga? Shut your ass up, Monet."

Despite the tension, the trio proceeds to dissect various aspects of Wicked, showcasing their dynamic interplay.

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Deep Dive into Wicked: Characters and Songs

The conversation shifts to specific elements of Wicked, including character motivations and standout songs. Monét and Jacob debate the merits of songs like “Defying Gravity” and “No Good Deed,” sharing their personal favorites and interpretations.

• **Monét on No Good Deed:
  [07:40] "Yeah, Piecemeal. But we haven't had. I really think the wizard and I is a really great song."

• **Jacob's Admiration for Defying Gravity:
  [08:08] "But I do think it's basic. But Defying Gravity is the best song in Wicked."

Their analysis touches upon the emotional depth and lyrical content of these songs, highlighting how each piece contributes to character development and the overall narrative.

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Accents and Character Portrayal in Productions

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the portrayal of accents in various Wicked productions. Monét questions the choice of accents for characters, especially Cynthia Erivo's American accent in the musical, contrasting it with the original portrayal in The Wizard of Oz.

• Monét's Theory on Accents:
  [19:40] "There's a thing in theater, in musical theater, where whoever plays the role the first time... the actors who play that role in the future will have the same accent even if it does not make sense with the story."

• Paul's Insight on Continuity:
  [14:33] "Fiyero is the prince of an indigenous tribe in Winkie country... they cast Cynthia, and then they cast Marissa Boat as Nesseros, her sister."

The hosts explore how these choices impact the authenticity and reception of the characters, debating whether maintaining the original accents enhances the story or detracts from cultural representation.

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Exploring the Origins: Wicked vs. The Wizard of Oz

Monét and Jacob delve into the origins of Wicked, clarifying that Gregory Maguire's book is separate from L. Frank Baum's The Wizard of Oz. They discuss the timeline, with Baum's work originating in 1900 and Maguire's in 1995, highlighting the evolution of the Oz universe.

• Clarifying Authorship and Timeline:
  [09:32] "Wait, the wizard of Oz and the Wicked are not written by the same person."

• Differences in Storytelling:
  [10:43] "So Wicked is not a continuation of the series from... the books are not even similar."

This segment provides listeners with a clear understanding of how Wicked reimagines the Oz storyline, introducing new characters and plotlines that diverge from the original tales.

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Trivia and Games: Naming Celebrities by Country

Shifting gears, the hosts engage in a lively trivia game where they attempt to name celebrities from various countries under time constraints. This segment is filled with playful banter, missed cues, and humorous frustrations.

• Challenge Introduction:
  [35:35] "So y'all are insane."

• Attempts and Frustrations:
  [40:37] "I don't think so... He'd be misogyny."

Despite the competitive atmosphere, the game serves as a comedic interlude, showcasing the hosts' chemistry and quick-witted exchanges.

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Personal Anecdotes and Experiences

Throughout the episode, Monét and Jacob share personal stories related to auditions and performances, drawing parallels between their own experiences and the fictional narratives discussed earlier.

• Jacob's Audition Fiasco:
  [32:01] "I sang a song that didn't make any sense. I didn't know how to audition for Audrey..."

• Monét's Audition Advice:
  [33:18] "I would probably sing something like maybe something from Lion King."

These anecdotes add a relatable and authentic layer to their discussion, allowing listeners to connect with the hosts on a personal level.

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Conclusion and Final Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Monét and Jacob reflect on the unhinged nature of their conversation, promising to maintain the same level of energy and unpredictability in future episodes.

• Final Banter:
  [56:28] "This episode was unhinged."

• Closing Promise:
  [56:30] "And until next... we promise we'll make the next one just as unhinged."

Their farewell encapsulates the essence of Sibling Rivalry: a blend of insightful discussion, sharp humor, and genuine camaraderie.

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Notable Quotes

• Monét on Avoiding Wicked Discussion:
  [04:18] "Monet was like, well, I don't want to talk about anything that people might not want to talk about."

• Jacob on Wicked Popularity:
  [04:10] "But Defying Gravity is the best song in Wicked."

• Monét on Accent Choices:
  [04:37] "I'm pretty sure they're doing it with a British accent on the West End."

• Jacob on Late Night Shows:
  [46:42] "But y'all talk about me 1% in that one episode."

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Conclusion

This episode of Sibling Rivalry offers an entertaining and in-depth look into Wicked, blending critical analysis with personal stories and lighthearted games. Monét, Bob, and Paul demonstrate their unique ability to engage listeners through candid discussions and spirited interactions, making this episode a must-listen for fans of musical theater and dynamic podcast conversations.

Transcript

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monét X Change]

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[Jacob]

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[Monét X Change]

And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode. Monet doesn't want to talk about Wicked.

[Jacob]

But we do anyway and we find.

[Monét X Change]

Out what made Monet say this.

[Jacob]

I don't know why they made those Choices. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[Monét X Change]

Every couple of years, they're like, guess who? Back in the house.

[Paul]

Oh, I sent a document about the Wicked movie. I thought maybe that would be a good topic to talk about because we haven't actually talked about the movie in length, but we've now seen when.

[Monét X Change]

You have not held space. Space for Wicked. Have we?

[Jacob]

I think.

[Monét X Change]

What?

[Jacob]

Okay, y'all, Jacob and Paul, they want to do a podcast about the Wicked. We just. We have been talking about the Wicked movie literally non stop.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, Piecemeal. But we haven't had.

[Paul]

I think we've been talking about it in smaller segments. We don't have to. We could just do. We could do another topic. But I feel like we've talked about in smaller segments, and I feel like we've seen it enough time that we could really get into it. But also, maybe that's just my specific, like, interest coming through. But it would be so cute.

[Jacob]

That's you and Bob's fucking nerdy music theater asshole.

[Paul]

Don't act like you didn't like it. Don't act like you haven't been singing the entire song this entire last podcast. You're out of control.

[Monét X Change]

Had the girl who won't stop singing and sings in the shower.

[Jacob]

I know, but I acknowledge that that was nerds.

[Monét X Change]

Got it.

[Jacob]

That's my advice. A lot of the people listening probably like, especially people who don't like music theater, they're like, oh, my God, more Wicked.

[Monét X Change]

Okay. People don't like. Okay, whatever, Whatever. Okay, whatever.

[Jacob]

First of all, what's your gay ass, Black Panther looking ass, nigga? Shut your ass up, Monet.

[Monét X Change]

Okay? Monet was like, well, I don't want to talk about anything that people might not want to talk about. You know, there might be people who don't want to talk about the most popular movie in America right now. What if they're over people talking about literally the most? It's not a niche corner topic. This is literally the number one movie in probably in the world right now. And Monet's like, I don't want to alienate this. This person who just doesn't like Wicked.

[Paul]

It is. It is. We don't need to look it up. I mean, I can. I can show you screenshots of proof, but it is.

[Jacob]

I'm looking it up.

[Monét X Change]

Mona. Like, what if it's niche and no one wants to hear anything about Wicked? That'd be so upsetting. What if one person at home is like, I hate Wicked.

[Jacob]

Actually, Moana, too, is the most is the biggest movie ever. Oh, yeah.

[Paul]

No, just forget about that.

[Jacob]

Yeah. I want to talk about Moana Espado.

[Monét X Change]

That's Moana one.

[Jacob]

I haven't seen the second one, so I can't. Really. Can't even talk about. I have no. No idea.

[Paul]

No.

[Monét X Change]

But you want to talk about it? No, no. You want to talk about it? Let's go. Let's go.

[Jacob]

Can you talk about this outfit? Orange and. Orange and pink together are very satisfying. Like, when I see orange and pink together. Also pink and green, maybe. I think pink is a. Is a great unifying color. I mean, I don't know how color three works. Yeah.

[Paul]

I just can't wait to talk about Wicked.

[Monét X Change]

Literally. It's really sharp, don't you think?

[Jacob]

I think it's cute. Where is this from?

[Monét X Change]

I'm. You know, black is this year's pink.

[Jacob]

What?

[Monét X Change]

I mean, we deserve each other, you and me. Well, this hat and me, we're both, like, really smart, you know?

[Jacob]

Are you doing lines from Wicked?

[Monét X Change]

No.

[Paul]

Honestly, you deserve each other. This hat and you.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, I mean, out of the goodness.

[Jacob]

Of my heart, y'all. Y'all doing some Wicked shit.

[Monét X Change]

Out of the goodness of my heart.

[Jacob]

I don't know what's going on.

[Monét X Change]

Of course you don't. You've only seen the movie twice, bitch.

[Jacob]

Well, you've also seen the Broadway show before. Like, you were a big Wicked. I have not.

[Monét X Change]

That's all I want.

[Jacob]

But, you know, a lot of Wicked, you literally, when I was going to see about you, you were like, well, Monae, like, if you. If you, like, don't know, like, the soundtrack, blah, blah, blah. Like, you're gonna like it, but you're not gonna be like, love it. Like, how people who know the soundtrack and know the music for the show. So granted, I don't know the movies like that. I will say no Good Deed is the best song from the show.

[Monét X Change]

I can't with you right now. You don't. Do you want to talk about it or not, bitch?

[Jacob]

Well, I'm going to do our podcast. We, Evan, flow through things. Yes, we're going to talk about it. We're not going to let our podcast.

[Monét X Change]

This has been a consistent view of the past month. You advocate to not talk about Wicked, and then you continue talking about Wicked.

[Jacob]

That's not true.

[Monét X Change]

Yes. You were just advocating for not talking about it, and then you're like. But anyway, that being said, no Good Deed is, like, the best song.

[Jacob]

I want to. I want to say that one thing. I play no Good Deed Is what do you think is the best song from the show?

[Monét X Change]

First of all, you don't get to dictate how much we talk about Wicked. Let me be clear about that. You don't set the the rules for how much we can and can't talk about Wicked on your parameters and your terms. Yeah, rub your face. Rub your face. Rub the whole thing. Yeah, get. Yeah, don't rub your eyebrows off while you up there.

[Jacob]

Girl. These supposed to be. He's supposed to be semi permanent microbladed. I have not gotten these done in my case two years. It is still tattooed on my face. I said, girl, this a permanent. These are SEM. These are fully permanent tattoos.

[Monét X Change]

When they say sim, they mean until you're 50, not until you're 60. I guess when my the best song from Wicked. I. I really think the wizard and I is a really great song. The amount of foreshadowing in it is really smart.

[Jacob]

So happy I could melt.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. I mean celebration throughout Oz all to do with me is such a great line.

[Jacob]

What is it? What's the line?

[Monét X Change]

I swear someday there'll be a celebration throughout Oz that's all to do with me.

[Jacob]

Oh wow. Like when they kill. Like no one mourns the Wicked.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, like ding dong, the witch is dead. Witch, O witch, the Wicked Witch Ding dong the Wicked Witch is dead.

[Jacob]

Well, I have a question. So I guess we're talking about Wicked.

[Monét X Change]

And you're the one who keeps bringing it up over and over again.

[Jacob]

Well, because now I have more questions. You know a lot about this topic. I don't know a lot about it.

[Monét X Change]

But I, but I do think it's basic. But Defying Gravity is the best song in Wicked. This is, this is just.

[Jacob]

It is better than Nogadid.

[Monét X Change]

I think so. Yeah.

[Jacob]

Because in Nogadid she's so desperate.

[Monét X Change]

She is.

[Jacob]

She has found this man to love her when the whole world has told her she's unlovable because she's ugly, she's green she's been ostracized, she's been outcast and she find this man that loves her too and she's being taken away from his show. She's so desperate to find a spell to save him. She is alakanama nacha nacha. She is trying to spell bind this man and then so the one so she' no good deed will ever be done again because you guys have taken the one thing that, that, that, that, that. That was for me. Yeah.

[Monét X Change]

I just don't love romance. Like, like romance doesn't get to me that way. Like, I. When sometime when there's a movie and there's a romance angle, I'm like, stop, okay? We're literally trying to save the world. I don't give a. If you're dating. The world is about to blow. I don't give a. About your love life. The world is at stake. Take care of that first. So sometime romance stuff is. I'm like, oh, whatever, sure. I'm. I'm not a romantic, though. I'm not like a hopeless romantic. I have romance, but I'm not like a hopeless romance. I think.

[Jacob]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a hopeless romantic.

[Monét X Change]

I think you may be closer than I am to it because I. I do not like love stories.

[Jacob]

I like love story. I mean, the Notebook is my. Is one of my favorite love stories of all time.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. What's your next question?

[Jacob]

Oh, so when does. So was the wizard of Oz written? And then he wrote Wicked after. Or was this always. Oh, like. Or did the.

[Monét X Change]

Or.

[Jacob]

Or was this story written chronologically? Like, Like. I mean, it kind of all happened.

[Monét X Change]

Wait, the wizard of Oz and the Wicked are not written by the same person.

[Jacob]

They're not.

[Monét X Change]

Girl. Jesus Christ. L. Frank Baum wrote the wizard of oz in, like, 19, like, 10 or. Or 20 or something.

[Jacob]

And who wrote Wicked?

[Monét X Change]

Gregory Maguire wrote wicked in, like, 1995. These books are, like 80 years apart.

[Jacob]

Got it.

[Paul]

I didn't know that Oz was published in 1900.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, 1900. And L. Frank Baum. That was L. Frank Baum wrote. Wrote the wizard of Oz. And. Which is why. So. Yeah, so Wicked is not a continuation of the series from. I mean, the books are not even. They're not even similar. Like, I mean, what's happening is Gregory Maguire is using the IP from the.

[Jacob]

Wonderful wizard of Oz, right, to create a story.

[Monét X Change]

To create a story once it became. Once it went into the public domain. But L. Frank Baum did write several books continuing, continuing the Oz world building.

[Jacob]

But his, like, all, like, gruesome and nasty and, like, I mean, the first.

[Monét X Change]

One is gruesome as nasty. The one that was the Wonderful wizard of Oz is a gruesome book.

[Jacob]

Got it.

[Monét X Change]

Like, the Tin man is a murderous, murderous monster. He kills, like, over almost a hundred or more characters in the book.

[Jacob]

They probably deserved it.

[Monét X Change]

Maybe, maybe not. I mean, I haven't read. I haven't read Reservoir since I was in my 20s, so I don't really remember, if I'm being fully honest with you, but. But, yeah, I just Remember being like, my God, the Tin man is really up in here, just, you know, sending hoes to their maker. For real. For real. And. And then Gregory McGuire is just using clever writing techniques to weave the story to create a pre. Story. Yeah.

[Jacob]

So good. Gregory, Gregory. Is. Is Gregory still alive? Is he still with us?

[Monét X Change]

I'm pretty sure he's alive. I think we were at the theater when me and Dick were there.

[Paul]

He's also in the movie, I believe, as a cameo work.

[Jacob]

And then, like, I guess. I wonder how the world works with. Since they're using his story, I wonder how that's. Like, how does he get paid for that? I'm sure, obviously there are royalties and blah, blah, blah. But he does like that to get, like, a fee because they're using. They're using the book from the musical, which is different than the.

[Monét X Change]

So you sell. So you sell the. Right. So when you own the intellectual property, which he owns, the. The IP for Wicked, the intellectual property, you license the rights or you. Or you option the. You option it to people. So.

[Jacob]

Right.

[Monét X Change]

I'm sure when it was. I don't know when they sold the movie rights, but you have to go through him to get.

[Jacob]

Existed as a musical. Do they have to do that again?

[Monét X Change]

Yes, they're very different deals. Very different deals.

[Jacob]

And also.

[Monét X Change]

And the movie. So the book and the movie are about 18 years apart. And then the musical. No, sorry, the book and the musical. Yeah, about 18 apart. And then the musical and the movie. The stage play and the movie are about. Geez louise, like, another 20 years apart.

[Jacob]

Yeah, 22 years apart.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. So it's basically like he wrote this book about. About. What's that, like, 35 years ago. 30. Almost 40 years. No, not almost 40. About 35 years ago.

[Jacob]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Monét X Change]

Not 35. I'm not good with math. 30 years ago, roughly.

[Jacob]

I don't know. He wrote it, so I couldn't even. I don't know.

[Monét X Change]

It came out in 94. 95.

[Jacob]

I mean, 95. So that means it 39 years ago.

[Monét X Change]

29.

[Jacob]

29.

[Monét X Change]

29 years. Yeah.

[Jacob]

Yeah. Work.

[Monét X Change]

And also, there's been this interesting conversation online about. About Cynthia Revo being black, which is odd because the Wicked Witch of the west is, y'all. She's. She's not. She's not. She does not canonically have a race. All she has is a skin color. So to be clear, her race is not green.

[Jacob]

Well, I think people get that because her mom is black in the show. Well, in the movie or movie, her mother is black.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. What I'm getting at is that canonically, Right. The Wicked Witch of the West, Elphaba, does not have a race.

[Jacob]

Right.

[Monét X Change]

But you know who does canonically have a race?

[Jacob]

Who?

[Monét X Change]

Fiyero. In the book, Fiyero's black.

[Jacob]

Oh, is he really?

[Monét X Change]

Yes.

[Jacob]

I don't know why they chose. I don't know why. I wonder why they chose a white person playing man.

[Monét X Change]

I don't think they really put any thought to it because I think that I don't. I mean, I haven't read the book in so long. But does his black. Is his blackness part of the storyline? Jacob in.

[Paul]

Yeah. So Fiyero is the prince of an indigenous tribe in Winkie country. So like the wizard of Oz and Oz, they're trying to, like, conquer and colonize this indigenous land. And Fearro is like their prince.

[Jacob]

Got it. Yeah. So, I mean, it makes sense that they wouldn't want him to be black. That's interesting.

[Paul]

But also, there's another character in the book who is. His name is Avarick, and he's like a rich, wealthy prince type. So they kind of actually combine the musical. Fiyero is actually a combination of Fiyero and then this other character, Avarick from school, and it's a little bit of both. So they also kind of rewrote the entire character of Hero for the musical as well.

[Jacob]

Is the Wicked book a good read? Should I read it?

[Paul]

Honestly, I did not like it. I did not care for it.

[Monét X Change]

I think the book is fine if you really want to get into the Gregory Maguire world. I think Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister is a much better book. I think it actually would have made a better musical. Confession of Unstopped is a really genius.

[Jacob]

And what is that? Is that the sequel to Wicked?

[Monét X Change]

It's the prequel to Cinderella. Ugly Stepsisters.

[Jacob]

Oh, got it.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. So he. So he. He's. He's done this with other books, too.

[Jacob]

But I say so. Great. So is that what Greg does? He like. He kind of like. He kind of your buddy Greg? Yeah, that's. That's what. That's what Greg would be doing. He takes a story that exists and kind of like, writes and writes around it.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. I don't know if he's done other things. I know that he's. He wrote a book called Son of a Witch, which is Elphable Son. Her and Fiero's son, I'm assuming. I haven't. I've never read it.

[Jacob]

I don't know. It is.

[Paul]

It's.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. But something I want to talk about is this. Me and Jacob had this conversation in the car with Alfredo and I think we've, we've slightly touched on it here. Why is Cynthia Erivo. Why does Cynthia Revo have an American accent in Wicked?

[Jacob]

Yeah, you said this. And I guess because I know Cynthia Erivo to have a British accent. I didn't even hear it. Yeah, I don't know.

[Monét X Change]

I don't understand that choice. And also Keyless Atto, the woman who played that annoying professor who kept trying to take away, who kept overpowering, not overpowering, like a very overbearing professor to Nessa. Why does she have a British accent?

[Jacob]

Yeah, I don't know. Obviously there was a reason they did that. I, I, I, I, I don't, I, I don't know why they made those choices.

[Monét X Change]

Now, here's my theory. We've all had theories. Alfredo's theory was that people. Alfredo's theory was wild. Alfredo was like, Americans are stupid. They won't listen with the British accent. That's not true. That's, that's not true. At first I was like, everyone's dumb. I'm like, everyone's not dumb, Alfredo. Jesus Christ. Jacob. What was your theory again, Jacob?

[Paul]

I had two. I think we know the Wicked Witch of the west as we know her from the wizard of Oz has a more typical American accent. She doesn't have a British accent. And then part two. So I think they were trying to keep that character continuity between the wizard of Oz and the Wicked. And then part two is they maybe also cast the sister. They cast Cynthia, and then they cast Marissa Boat as Nesseros, her sister. And Marissa is an American actor. And they thought it might make more sense instead of making an American actor do a British accent. And maybe, I don't know how good her British accent is to have Cynthia do an American accent. So they both ancestors have the same unified accent now.

[Monét X Change]

I will tell you my theory after this break.

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[Monét X Change]

Lights are going up.

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Jacob]

McRib is here. People throwing parties, ugly sweaters everywhere.

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Jacob]

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[Monét X Change]

Okay, There's a thing in theater, in musical theater, where whoever plays the role the first time, not always, but often, the accent that they do, the actors who play that role in the future will have the same accent even if it does not make sense with the story. Right? So our first ever, the first time we heard Elphaba speak, it was done by an American actor, Idina Menzel. So now actors going forward will be American. On the West End, when they do Wicked, they do it with an American accent.

[Jacob]

Do they really?

[Monét X Change]

Yes.

[Jacob]

I don't know. I don't know if that's true or not.

[Monét X Change]

On the West End, when they do Wicked, they do it with an American accent, right? Now listen to this. Are you. How familiar are you with Les Mis girl?

[Paul]

I don't know if that's true. I think on the West End they do Wicked with British accents.

[Monét X Change]

Google it. Jacob. Just Google while we're looking it up, because I. I'm pretty sure they do. But the actor who plays so. So Les Mis obviously takes place in France. Now, these people are. Now, the reason why they're not doing French accents is because in theory, they're speaking French. Hear me out. Walk with me here. Okay. In theory, when you watch Les Mis, they're not actually speaking English, they're actually speaking French. So the actor will just use whatever their accent is when they play the role. There's one character, this little boy named Gavrosh. Gavrosh is. Spoiler alert. This is like a literally a 45 year old musical. So I don't feel too bad. Gav Rosh is a little boy who's killed on the barricade. The original actor who played Gav Ross has a very thick Cockney accent. I mean, thicker than Adele. It's like, good evening, dear inspector. Lovely evening, my dear. It's like a cartoonish Cockney accent, right? Subsequently, a lot of the actors who play Gav.

[Jacob]

Subsequently, subsequently, whatever.

[Monét X Change]

A lot of actors who play Gavroche after him have done a thick Cockney accent, even though this is a French little boy. His name is Gavroch, for crying out loud. They all do this thick Cockney accent even though they're playing a little French boy. And all the actors are not Cockney, but they keep doing the Cockney accent.

[Jacob]

Well, I don't think that's true because I saw Everybody Loves Jamie when I saw it on Broadway, on the West End, everybody had British accent. Had British accents. Bianca Del Rio played it. She had American accent. Michelle, like, so that's because Bianca can't.

[Monét X Change]

Do a British accent.

[Jacob]

But I'm just saying. But it's not. Oh, this is not always the standard.

[Monét X Change]

No, no, it is. Because all. So first of all, Jamie is a British story. Jamie's not a British.

[Paul]

I will also say I did the research. And Wicked on the West End is performed with British accents.

[Monét X Change]

Okay. Jamie is a British story, right? So I don't get the point you're making. Bianca can't do a British accent. That's why she. Everyone else played the role did a British accent.

[Jacob]

The boy that did it was American. He had an American accent.

[Monét X Change]

I didn't see it. The one I thought I saw it.

[Jacob]

The one that we saw here in thing. He had an American accent.

[Monét X Change]

I genuinely don't remember, but I know that Michelle Visage did a British accent and she's not British.

[Jacob]

She did. She did. Because also, it's like a British story.

[Monét X Change]

Like, I mean, she did a British accent. Jimmy, Jamie, Jimmy new.

[Jacob]

Did you like, did you like everybody Loves Jamie.

[Monét X Change]

No, I like it. I don't like the story. Like, he's annoying.

[Jacob]

He's annoying.

[Monét X Change]

I feel like Jamie is just such a little. He inconveniences everyone. Like, how is he a.

[Jacob]

He just trying to.

[Monét X Change]

He's an absolute to his mom. Absolute bitch to his father.

[Jacob]

Well, she lied to him about his father.

[Monét X Change]

Okay? So Jamie is this. This high school kid who is kind of genderqueer, but he identifies as a boy. And Jamie likes to dress up in drags and wear nails and wear makeup and stuff like that. Okay? He's one of them gays. Jamie wants to go to prom in drag, but they're like, it's against the dress code. You can't go to prom in drag. And the whole show is basically, he meets this drag queen who owns a drag shop. She shows him a little bit about drag. She teaches him how to do drag, and then he's going to go to prom in full. In full. Yags, right? And on the way, Jamie has a. A relationship with his father, or he thinks he has a relationship with his father, but the truth is he has no relationship with his father. His mother is pretending that he does because she's afraid to let Jamie know that his father wants nothing to do with him.

[Jacob]

Right?

[Monét X Change]

And then Jamie finally sees his father. He's like, oh, thanks for the flowers. And Jamie's like. His dad's like, I ain't seen no motherfucking your gay ass. No flowers. Ass. Royal fairy. Ass. Ass. Juicy. Fruity.

[Jacob]

Fruity.

[Monét X Change]

Booty Ass. Dick in the booty ass. Nigga.

[Jacob]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Monét X Change]

I think. I think that's. That's actually the words that were in the script. I feel pretty certain of that.

[Jacob]

So the clock and I'm like, driving.

[Monét X Change]

And he's just like. He's inconveniencing everyone. He's mean to everyone. Yeah.

[Jacob]

How is he inconveniencing people, though? I don't understand. Where's the inconveniencing? How. Who is he inconveniencing by going to prom? By. By. By. By wanting to go to prom. How. He wants to identify.

[Monét X Change]

Okay, first of all, his mom. He's a. He's. He's inconvenienced his mom greatly by being mean to her. By getting. He's getting. He's getting. He's getting wasted and going out into the world. He's mean to that little. To the. To the. To the. To the Muslim girl who helps him all the time. He's not nice to her. He inconveniences Her. It's all about him. He doesn't seem to consider her needs or what she wants in life as well.

[Jacob]

But we've all had times where we have act selfishly with our friends, and our friends checked her. What? What? What? What? What makes it a relatable stories that we've all done that. But he also apologized when he realized he was being a dick. He was like, girl, I'm sorry. That's how the. At the end of the show, that's how he apologizes to her before the prom and they're friends again. Like, you have times when you've inconvenienced me with your bullshit. I've had times when I've inconvenienced you with my bullshit.

[Monét X Change]

Sneaking in her room, and she's like. She's like, jamie, I have to prepare for college. And he's like, okay, well, help me with my costume.

[Jacob]

Literally, me trying to go on Drag Race. I was telling Mom, I was like, bob, I need help with Drag Race. Like, Monet, I need you to do this.

[Monét X Change]

No. No money. I didn't. That's. That's not what. I helped you. I literally paid the bars to give you the night off. I gave you money. I did not tell you to help my stuff. I literally called the bars, told them to give you the night off, asked them to pay you, and then I paid you missing wages and all stars.

[Jacob]

Also. I did All Stars for you. Like, Monet Week. We. Monet, I know you're leaving for the thing. We got to do some podcasts before you leave. You made me bankrupt.

[Monét X Change]

That wasn't for me. That was work. Monet. Yes. You have to work still.

[Jacob]

Okay. But it was still inconvenient.

[Monét X Change]

You are twisting the story. You act like, no, I need help with my stuff. I was like, yes, can you show up to work, bitch? So your little analogy is poo poo. It's poo poo.

[Jacob]

And with his mom like that, when you are raising a son, a queer kid, there's a lot of peaks and valleys there. They're gonna go through the magicians. Huh?

[Monét X Change]

How would you know?

[Jacob]

Because I have raised Colleen is queer. I am raising a queer cat.

[Monét X Change]

And as a cat parent, they're weird. That's for goddamn sure.

[Jacob]

So I don't think he's inconvenienced, and he is.

[Monét X Change]

And then he snuck into her room, and she was like, jamie, I can't have boys in my room. And he was like, well, I'm here, or some shit like that. Like, he's so he's so inconsiderate. And then also the weird flirting with a straight guy. Like, girl, get off his straight dick. Girl, like, leave this. Like, get off this straight boy's dick.

[Jacob]

And that's what he's going to learn. Every little gay boy has thought a straight boy is cute because you're in high school there, you don't have access to lots of other things. You're seeing these boys every day. Like, every day, every day. Like, it's going to be a natural thing. Jamie. Jamie will learn. He's only 17.

[Monét X Change]

I had questions on the gay boys. I always had questions on the gay boys. I always had crush on the gay boys.

[Jacob]

How did you know everyone was gay? So, Bob, when you were a young little queer kid, there was never a straight boy that you thought was cute and attractive?

[Monét X Change]

No, not really. I used to have crush on girls and then the gay boys.

[Jacob]

Okay, but not really is not. No.

[Monét X Change]

I mean, thinking someone's cute and attractive, not seems having a crush on them. Like, I was like, oh, this guy's cute. But I didn't have a crush. I had a crush on Joey King.

[Jacob]

And Joey King was a.

[Monét X Change]

Probably still is.

[Jacob]

Well, I think. Well, you are so. So Bob is an exception to the rule. Jacob, have you, have you ever had a crush on a straight boy in school, growing up?

[Paul]

Hands down.

[Jacob]

That is a lot. That, that is a lot of our. Our.

[Monét X Change]

I'm just saying it's not every little gay boy. So don't, don't describe that to all of us.

[Jacob]

Most of us. I would, I, I would. I, I would. Reckon. Reckon?

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. Reckon, honey? Yeah. Most people are basic like you. You are basic like most people. You are like most.

[Jacob]

Oh, so you think. So you think that Jacob, your loving partner, is basic.

[Monét X Change]

He has basic moments.

[Jacob]

Wow. So you think Jacob is basic. Jacob. Jacob. What do you say to that?

[Paul]

I mean, he also has basic moments.

[Monét X Change]

I have basic moments for sure.

[Jacob]

Yeah. Jacob gathered you like a motherfucking ponytail.

[Monét X Change]

I've been gathered. I have basic moments. We all have basic moments. I mean, you have a few more than the rest of us, but yeah, we are basic moments.

[Jacob]

Why you gotta be such a cunt?

[Monét X Change]

You do have basic moments.

[Jacob]

And then when they did, when I saw the waitress, I think it's a waitress on the West End. They had British accents too.

[Monét X Change]

When I saw. Well, I was about to say something really stupid. I was about to say something so fucking dumb.

[Jacob]

What? What?

[Monét X Change]

When I saw. I was gonna say when I saw Kinky Boots had British accents, but they're In. They're fully in Britain. Fully in Britain.

[Jacob]

Well, did Todrick do a British accent? I don't remember. To be honest.

[Monét X Change]

I don't remember either. Yeah, but Lola is British.

[Jacob]

Yeah, they're all British. It's a British show. Kinky Boots is. I know. It's not long enough. They can't. I would love them to bring Kinky Boots back. It was. And when they do, I would love to put my name in my hat, in the ring to do King of Boots. It sounds like. It feels like a lot, but I feel like I could turn some Lola out. Expectations at the door. Just let your eyes explore.

[Monét X Change]

Would you? Maybe there's a tour.

[Jacob]

Is there a tour? Let's see.

[Monét X Change]

Maybe.

[Jacob]

I don't know if I'm cut for being on tour, but there are certain.

[Monét X Change]

Shows that go on tour forever. Like there are certain shows that will just never. Hairspray will never stop touring. Le Miz will never stop touring. Will never stop touring. What?

[Jacob]

Hamilton the Lion King will never stop touring.

[Monét X Change]

Lion King will never. Every couple of years they're like, guess who? Back in the house.

[Jacob]

Wow. Is there like a co. I guess. I guess whoever buys it. No, because. So when y'all. I do not know a lot about Broadway. I do not know a lot about Broadway. So when a Broadway show tours, that means the Broadway company, like the Broadway people on. On 42nd street, they're like, oh, we want to make a touring division of this. Or is it like a separate. Whole separate thing?

[Monét X Change]

They're different companies. Often. Not always, but often. And. And sometime there are two different companies doing tours at the same time. There's a. There's a. An. An Equity tour and a non Equity tour and.

[Jacob]

But you want to be on the Equity one because that's where foreseeably have the better.

[Monét X Change]

Well, it has better work conditions and better pay because there are regulations and a non Equity tour has no regulations.

[Jacob]

Got it. So they will tour a non Equity and Equity at the same time for the same show. That sounds crazy.

[Monét X Change]

Same show, same time.

[Jacob]

Same. That sounds crazy.

[Monét X Change]

Same show, same time. Yep, same productions too.

[Jacob]

What do you mean? The same production.

[Monét X Change]

So. So if there's a tour. So if you see the Broadway show and the other show touring the same time, I guess it actually might be the same company because they are the same company, but different like, divisions of it because you. You won't see a different iteration of it. It won't be. It won't be. The only thing different from the Broadway show will be the actors, but the blocking is the same. The costumes are the same. The sets are roughly the same. They're. They're the same show.

[Jacob]

Interesting.

[Monét X Change]

Like. Like, like you saw Strange Loop on Broadway and then you saw it on tour. It's the same show.

[Jacob]

It was the same show. Yeah. I want to go. I need to go see Wicked at the fucking whatever. Is that.

[Monét X Change]

Maybe I was wrong. I think it's the same production company, but then different companies are touring, different promoters are touring it maybe, and I.

[Jacob]

Assume non equity ones not getting. Getting into the same house as Equity.

[Monét X Change]

Source, because you can't be in. You can't be. I mean, I can. I think you might be able to be in an Equity house if you're not an Equity show. I mean, you and I have done equity houses in our show, not Equity. But I think you just pay more or something. I'm not 100% sure on the rules of. Of that.

[Jacob]

You're looking so sick.

[Monét X Change]

You really want to be on and you really want to be on the first national tour. That's what you really want to be on. The first national tour means if the.

[Jacob]

First time the tour is touring nationally.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

From Broadway.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Got it. Is there. Is there. Is there a show that you would. You would want to tour? Is there a Broadway show that you want to do that there's a role you want to do in a Broadway show?

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, a few.

[Jacob]

What?

[Monét X Change]

I wanted to be King Herod in Jesus Christ of 2020.

[Jacob]

I didn't know that.

[Monét X Change]

Pretty badly, actually.

[Jacob]

And so let's say they're doing a national tour. You would take whatever time off and do a national tour as King Herod in the Broadway show?

[Monét X Change]

Maybe. Depends on how long the contract was and what the pay was and what else I had going on at the time. I wanted to audition for the national tour of Jesus Christ Superstar back in like 2019, but they didn't see me.

[Jacob]

Got it.

[Monét X Change]

And did you audition for the Genie? One time in Aladdin?

[Jacob]

I was. This was. This was like. Yes, like 2000. Like when it first came on Broadway, I went to the ca. This one. I used to go to casting calls in New York all the time.

[Monét X Change]

How was your audition?

[Jacob]

I don't think it was good.

[Monét X Change]

What'd you sing?

[Jacob]

I sang a song that didn't make any sense. I didn't know how to do. I didn't know how to audition for Audrey shell. I sang 10 minutes ago from Cinderella, which has nothing to do with how the Genie would be.

[Monét X Change]

How'd that go?

[Jacob]

10 minutes ago? I saw you. I heard when you walked through the door.

[Monét X Change]

Why didn't you call me and ask me?

[Jacob]

I don't know. I don't know. I didn't know anything about auditioning for. Because, like, for.

[Monét X Change]

For.

[Jacob]

For audition for the Genie. You want to sing a song that has a lot of, like, razzle dazzle, right?

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, I would. Yeah. You, you, you. I would probably sing something like maybe something from maybe. Maybe a song actually. Razzle dazzle. That would be a good song. Maybe.

[Jacob]

What's. I don't know what the fuck Razzle.

[Monét X Change]

Razzle is the old razzle dazzle. Razzle dazzle. Chicago. Give him an act with lots of flash in it, and the reaction will be passionate.

[Jacob]

Interesting.

[Monét X Change]

You probably could have also sang, oh, maybe a song from, like, from Lion King. Maybe.

[Jacob]

Maybe under the sea from the famous under the Sea song from Lion King.

[Monét X Change]

I said a song from Lion King and then I skipped and I said, maybe under the sea from Little Mermaid.

[Jacob]

Oh, got it. Okay.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Cause you wanted to.

[Monét X Change]

Which I think is by the same composer.

[Jacob]

I think the goal when you do a broader audition is that you want to sing something that's similar to the role you're going for.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. So I wouldn't go into. I wouldn't go into Hamilton and sing the Hills Are Alive with the Sound of Music. You know what I mean?

[Jacob]

See, there's so different from opera. Opera. You just sing something in your fach or you sing something for your voice type. Not necessarily similar to the role. So that's what I was going off of. I was like, I'm just going so they could know I can sing. And then if they wanted specifically, they'll let me know.

[Monét X Change]

I wish you had called me.

[Jacob]

You know, Monet was like.

[Monét X Change]

I remember calling Monet. Monet was like, I'm going into audition right now. I was like, what?

[Jacob]

I was like, hold on 10 minutes. And I was literally singing, you know, one of my favorite videos we have of you and I rehearsing for the first time in our every tour is. And you're playing Nevermind. I find somebody like you because that's the one song you can play on the piano. And we do a little duet. It's such a cute little.

[Monét X Change]

I can also play all that jazz.

[Jacob]

Oh, well, you didn't offer that as a selection.

[Monét X Change]

That's fair.

[Jacob]

Honestly, right now you look like, I'm going tell you what this nigga look like right there. Go back.

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[Monét X Change]

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[Monét X Change]

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[Paul]

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[Monét X Change]

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[Paul]

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[Monét X Change]

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[Paul]

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[Jacob]

You look like a gay pretentious, like fucking cunty voice teacher or pianist. Like, you look like. You look like a cunty mean Cheryl Porter.

[Monét X Change]

Like, I'd be like, no, from the diaphragm. Use this, Use this.

[Jacob]

Yes.

[Monét X Change]

Or like, try it, try it. There we go. Very that. There we go.

[Jacob]

Very that. Or like Sparky Pilastery from Bring it on the choreographer. Yeah, Gay. These aren't spirited fingers, but a gay one. These are spirit fingers, ladies. Cheryl, I need you to sing the notes, honey. Sing the notes. That's what it looks like you're going to give.

[Monét X Change]

Can we buy. Can we find out who the actor who plays Sparky Paulette. What is he up to? He was so good in that film.

[Jacob]

For that one. For that one. For that one.

[Monét X Change]

Little Markipolash, in my opinion, was a breakout star in that film. Truly.

[Jacob]

I would agree with that.

[Monét X Change]

Like, it's weird that he didn't become like a Jack Black or Will Ferrell after that because that was a great performance. He stole the scene.

[Jacob]

Maybe he didn't want to.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, maybe he was like, you know, Rick Moranis famously quit acting. Why?

[Jacob]

He was such a good actor because.

[Monét X Change]

His wife passed away and he wanted to take care of his kids. Really? Yeah.

[Jacob]

Do you think he made it? But, you know, back then they used to do deals where they got paid. Like now I was reading this movie deals and studio deals are so different now. But like, back in like the 90s and early 2000s, kind of right before Tobey Maguire was the one that tipped the scale the other way. Well, we saw the paradigm shift after Tobey Maguire, but back then, people did deals like the guy who played Simba in the Lion King. He had the option to either take a $2 million payday or. Or the deal to get paid in perpetuity for the rest of life, for the life of the film. And that's what he. His parents chose, a second option. So now he never has to work a day in his life because forever, forever from Broadway, the movie, whatever, he gets paid for being the voice of young Simba. And I think. And I think Rick Moranis probably, I don't know, I'm assuming had a similar deal with like, Honey, I shrunk the Kids. Honey, I blew up the kids. All those, like, good old ladies baseballs.

[Monét X Change]

He did a Little Shop of Whores. I mean, Rick Ranis was working. Yeah.

[Jacob]

So he probably, like, has a payday for all that stuff. He doesn't have to work as much. And then Toby Maguire did this in the Spider man movie. So Tobey Maguire ended up making, like, just from the first two. $21.5 million and. Huh.

[Monét X Change]

That's it.

[Jacob]

No, but y'all talk about me 1% in that one episode.

[Monét X Change]

This is a true 1 percenter. That was a bit Monet. That was clearly a bit. Was it.

[Jacob]

Or was it Freudian?

[Monét X Change]

You know, because, you know. You know what? I got paper, Drag Race, a billion jillion dollar.

[Jacob]

And Tobey Maguire opted for that. So he got paid $21.5 million to do the Student Spider man films. Cut to. You see someone like Tom Holland who gets paid, like he gets paid. He got paid $5 million for the three he's done so far.

[Monét X Change]

All three.

[Jacob]

All three. $5 million. Isn't that crazy?

[Monét X Change]

That seems.

[Jacob]

Well, for these, like, blockbuster, super huge Marvel movies.

[Monét X Change]

Interesting. Yeah, but, yeah. So fun fact, on, like, the 25th or 30th anniversary of the Little Tropical Horrors, me, Thorgy and Dallas dubois did a performance at bam.

[Jacob]

Oh. In Brooklyn.

[Monét X Change]

In Brooklyn. And we. We did like, a screening of Little Tropical Horrors and Rick Moranis came and I did the opening show. And Rick Moranis said. And it used to be on my website back in the day, he said, kitten with a whip is a tough act to follow.

[Jacob]

Wait, okay, so y'all did a show? What. What did you do? Just numbers from the show.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. Have you ever seen, like, a Rocky Horror Picture show live?

[Jacob]

No.

[Monét X Change]

Well, we. We were performing with the screen, like.

[Jacob]

With the movie playing in the background.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, but I did a pre show beforehand.

[Jacob]

Which was what? Just like your. Your drag show?

[Monét X Change]

It was like a drag show. Yeah, Some stand up comedy and some numbers.

[Jacob]

Yeah, got it. Yeah. I don't think so.

[Monét X Change]

He goes. He goes, kid with a whip is a hard act to follow. And then elevated, he was like, you're really talented. And I was like, thank you, Rick Moranis. I'm such a big fan of yours.

[Jacob]

Let me see what Rick Moranis is doing. Let me just look up Rick Moranis really quick.

[Monét X Change]

He done raised his kids already. They got to be grown by now.

[Jacob]

100% Rick Moranis. Oh, he's a Canadian actor.

[Monét X Change]

Name a Canadian. Who you think. Name. Name. I'm gonna give you ten seconds to name five Canadians. Go.

[Jacob]

Oh, my God. Brooklyn Heights. Traci Melchor.

[Monét X Change]

Five.

[Jacob]

Lemon gives you life. Priyanka. Wait, wait, how did you.

[Monét X Change]

No, ten seconds are done.

[Jacob]

You. Oh, I thought you were counting. I was like, wait, how am I at 5?

[Monét X Change]

I was counting down.

[Jacob]

Got it.

[Monét X Change]

Also doing Canada. Drag race girls is kind of cheating you at.

[Jacob]

You didn't. Nigga, you asked today, five Canadians. And I named them.

[Monét X Change]

I said kind of. You could have been like, Carl Craig Joseph.

[Jacob]

Well, just name. I don't cheat. I'm not gonna say to random people. I don't. I'm not. I'm not gonna cheat.

[Monét X Change]

Give me a country. Give me 10 seconds, quickly.

[Jacob]

Germany. Give me 10 Germans.

[Monét X Change]

Heidi Klum. David Hasselhoff. Strauss. Ludovan is Vienna. Ludwig von Beethoven. Vienna. Beethoven is from Vienna.

[Jacob]

Yes.

[Monét X Change]

Ludwig van Beethoven.

[Jacob]

I think so. Let me double check. Let me double double check.

[Monét X Change]

I believe Beethoven is German. Oh, and. And Einstein.

[Paul]

Beethoven is German.

[Monét X Change]

Is he? And Albert Einstein.

[Jacob]

Oh, he was born in German. He's one in Bonn. I mean, obviously Mozart is German.

[Monét X Change]

Italy.

[Jacob]

Go Mateo Lane.

[Monét X Change]

He's not Italian.

[Jacob]

I.

[Monét X Change]

He's American.

[Jacob]

Oh, it's. It's Italians.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Donate, Cella, Versace.

[Monét X Change]

4.

[Jacob]

The Miss. The man from Gucci.

[Monét X Change]

You're done. You're cooked. You're cooked. You're cooked. You're cooked. You're cooked.

[Jacob]

Okay. France.

[Monét X Change]

Edith Piaf. Oh, fuck. Nikki doll, do I not know any French people? Mexicans.

[Jacob]

Go Ezra Michel.

[Monét X Change]

Not Mexican.

[Jacob]

Valentina is Mexican.

[Monét X Change]

She's born in Mexico. Yes. Her co.

[Jacob]

Host from Canada, from drag race in Mexico.

[Monét X Change]

Not born in Mexico. That's not true. Go ahead, continue.

[Jacob]

Mateo's.

[Monét X Change]

And when I say. When I say Mexico, I'm talking about, like, they have to be from. Like, they have to be, like, born and Raised in Mexico.

[Jacob]

Born in Bell, California. Mexican.

[Monét X Change]

No. 2 Mexican parents.

[Jacob]

Monet.

[Monét X Change]

This is crazy.

[Jacob]

Oh, my God, we're horrible.

[Monét X Change]

All right, give me one more.

[Jacob]

Okay, Australians.

[Monét X Change]

Okay. Dame Edna. Hugh Jackman. The movie Lady. The movie. Like Scar.

[Jacob]

Nicole Kidman.

[Monét X Change]

Nicole Kidman.

[Jacob]

It's hard to do it off the. Okay, I will get into. Give me, give me one more. Give me one more. I know. Nothing obscure.

[Monét X Change]

Chinese people.

[Jacob]

Okay, this is about to get offensive. I know, but Chinese people.

[Monét X Change]

You know what?

[Jacob]

I'm just gonna. For. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna not say anybody. I'm not gonna say anybody, but I.

[Monét X Change]

Couldn'T say any 20s Brazilians.

[Jacob]

Ooh. Pablo Vittar.

[Monét X Change]

Anita Johnson from Industry. Wade. Not Wade.

[Jacob]

Wade is Brazilian.

[Monét X Change]

Wade.

[Jacob]

I mean, kinda.

[Monét X Change]

You're ridiculous.

[Jacob]

Okay, South Koreans.

[Monét X Change]

Okay, Kimchi. Margaret Cho. What's that comedian's name? The one? Bobby Lee? Kim Jong Un. Kim Jong Il. That's all I got.

[Paul]

Mori said South Koreans.

[Monét X Change]

Those are all.

[Jacob]

So Kim Jong un don't count.

[Monét X Change]

Oh, shit, you're right.

[Jacob]

So you got three, though. Simu Liu loves. I think he's so hot. Ooh, what I would do to spend one night with Simuliu.

[Monét X Change]

Get me going.

[Jacob]

Who?

[Monét X Change]

Mohinder from Heroes.

[Jacob]

Mohinder, baby.

[Monét X Change]

Mohinder was hot.

[Jacob]

Mohinder was hot. He was hot.

[Monét X Change]

Who is this?

[Jacob]

Oh, similarly, it was Chinese. I thought he was Korean.

[Monét X Change]

You know, honestly, I think South Korean was the one that we did the best.

[Jacob]

Honestly. Yeah.

[Monét X Change]

I can't believe you can't do Canadian. Kenny, they're right there.

[Jacob]

I know and I know them. I just can't. Like Alanis Morissette.

[Monét X Change]

10.

[Jacob]

Alanis Morissette. Tracy Melchor.

[Monét X Change]

Brooklyn Heights.

[Jacob]

Rick Moranis. One more, one more, one more. Canadian.

[Monét X Change]

Oh, oh.

[Jacob]

Deborah Cox.

[Monét X Change]

Shania Twain.

[Paul]

Okay, what about Irish?

[Monét X Change]

Colin Farrell? Blue hydrangea.

[Jacob]

No. Well, she's Northern Ireland, which is British.

[Monét X Change]

Girl, don't piss the Irish off. Girl, we don't fight. You fighting Irish? I can't.

[Jacob]

It's tough. Okay, give me, give me, give me.

[Monét X Change]

Halifarrel's Irish, right?

[Jacob]

Yeah, he is.

[Monét X Change]

Who's that guy? Who, Craig Ferguson. Oh, that was his name. Late night TV show host Craig Ferguson.

[Jacob]

What happened to Craig Ferguson?

[Monét X Change]

How.

[Jacob]

How are they not more.

[Monét X Change]

I think he was kind of a. I think he was a bit of a glug, glug, glug.

[Jacob]

Got it.

[Monét X Change]

No, he was sober, actually. You'll love him.

[Jacob]

To quote you, Bob, you have to stop calling people sobriety.

[Monét X Change]

Out on the podcast, it's called breaking people's anonymity.

[Jacob]

How are there not more women in late night? Could we have that conversation?

[Monét X Change]

Let's have it.

[Jacob]

Like, is there Taylor Tomlinson now?

[Monét X Change]

But like is after midnight a talk show?

[Jacob]

It's not a talk show. But I mean it does have. It is kind of a late night. You know, it's kind of shifted. It used to be only like the thing but now she like sits on. So I would put her in a.

[Monét X Change]

Listen, sit down and talk during late after midnight sometimes. Right.

[Jacob]

I mean it's the game y'all play. But when y'all episode y'all sat on the thing, you weren't like talking about the thing. But it was. I mean I would put it in.

[Monét X Change]

The realm of late night. We played the game from the couch.

[Jacob]

Say it again.

[Monét X Change]

We just played the game from the couch.

[Jacob]

I know, but anyway, so I guess. But I would still put it in the late night arena.

[Monét X Change]

I mean you have Amber Ruffin is not anymore. You have who?

[Jacob]

Amber Ruffin. Remember the Amber Ruffin show?

[Monét X Change]

Yeah. You had Amber Ruffin, Monique, Chelsea Handler, Joan Rivers.

[Jacob]

Monique had a late night talk show on bet.

[Monét X Change]

Lilly Singh.

[Jacob]

Jo. Joan had one.

[Monét X Change]

I already said John Rivers.

[Jacob]

Oh. Chelsea Handler had the longest one. I don't know how long did Joan Rivers one went on. But trust Chelsea was years. Chelsea lately was years.

[Monét X Change]

Well, ch. Well, Joan needs to feeling for Carson and her show. I don't think it was late night. I think her show happened during the day. Actually. That's an old clip of Joan Rivers. I'm glad Jon Rivers is dead. Here's why. If she would have lived longer, we would had to turn on her. You know that, right?

[Jacob]

Oh yeah, for sure.

[Monét X Change]

You know this, right?

[Jacob]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Monét X Change]

Like, she'd be a trumper.

[Jacob]

You think so?

[Monét X Change]

100%. She would be an extreme Zionist. She would be a trumper. Yeah. Hardcore.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Paul]

I mean, just to clarify, not she would be an extreme Zionist. She was an extreme Zionist.

[Jacob]

Got it.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Yeah. But I think we need to like, we need to open up the late night space to women. I don't understand why there is so little female representation in the late night.

[Monét X Change]

Like it's almost as if it's a reflection of the. Of the microcosm of the real world. Thank you. I can't even fathom why.

[Jacob]

Thank you, Bob.

[Monét X Change]

You think there's anything. You think anything at foot here?

[Jacob]

There's a word.

[Monét X Change]

Mr. Sojourny.

[Jacob]

No, that's not it.

[Monét X Change]

Is misogyny a good drag name?

[Jacob]

Ooh, that is a good one. But it has to be a drag king. Kind of like, flip it up, fuck it up.

[Monét X Change]

He'd be misogyny.

[Jacob]

No misogyny. There could be a man with mis.

[Monét X Change]

Mixogyny.

[Jacob]

Mixogeny.

[Paul]

So it looks like the longest running late night show was actually Full Frontal with Samantha Bee from 2016 to 2022.

[Jacob]

Oh, wow. I remember.

[Paul]

Show was prominent, but it didn't actually run that long. It only looks like it went for two years.

[Trixie Mattel]

How long.

[Jacob]

How long did Chelsea. Chelsea go? How long with Chelsea lately?

[Paul]

Let me look.

[Monét X Change]

There's a clip of Joan Rivers being really mean to Bridget Nielsen. Like, it's kind of horrible.

[Jacob]

Who is he? I don't know. Who is Flavor Flay's ex wife?

[Monét X Change]

I don't know. I wouldn't say that's her most famous thing. I think she's an actor. Most famously an actor.

[Jacob]

Oh, that's why I didn't know she's an actor. I thought she was. Her daughter claimed to fame being his ex wife.

[Monét X Change]

And she was also a model. But she was, like, mean. Like, so mean to her.

[Jacob]

Like, why?

[Monét X Change]

Because Brigitte Nielsen is kind of a mess, and she was getting divorced a lot. She had a new husband, and her husband. English was a second language. And John was just, like, letting them have it. Just giving them fever on this show. Just giving them fever down. And it was. Brigitte Nielsen got so mad, she, like, walked off set. She was like, I'm leaving. You're not gonna be my husband. I'm leaving.

[Jacob]

Bring back. Bring back. Celebrities getting so mad in interviews and they walk off.

[Monét X Change]

Bring that back until it happens to you.

[Jacob]

I know. Do you. What? Well, do you think you'll ever be. Ever have to do an interview where you be so pissed off that you walk off like, like, like, like, what line would they have to cross to make you walk off of. Walk off of an interview and you not engage with their, like, craziness?

[Monét X Change]

I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what that line would be. I mean, I. I wouldn't be able to unless they're, like, doing, like, just extremely deep personal attacks. I mean, if they're talking politics, I can. I'm happy to rebut their. Their political takes, but they're just doing, like, deep personal attacks on me as a person. I probably would fight back for a little bit and I'd be like, this is so toxic. I get out of here. Tbh. And I feel like I can bh with you. I do.

[Jacob]

You would say, I feel like. I feel like I Could TBH with you?

[Monét X Change]

No, I said TBH and I feel like I could bh with you.

[Jacob]

No, I can BBH with me.

[Monét X Change]

No, TBH and I feel like I can BH with you.

[Jacob]

Oh, I thought he said BBH with me.

[Monét X Change]

No, I never said that.

[Jacob]

And also, do you want to acknowledge and apologize for the last episode when I spelt out the name Staten and you said I didn't and it was in the first five minutes you were gathered?

[Monét X Change]

No. Do you have anything you want to apologize for?

[Jacob]

No. Can you acknowledge my request for it? To apologize first.

[Monét X Change]

First of all, you have a whole episode you need to apologize for.

[Jacob]

What, honey, what episode?

[Monét X Change]

Monation is shaking right now, boy.

[Jacob]

Whatever.

[Monét X Change]

Monation's having a hard time.

[Jacob]

Well, people are crazy.

[Monét X Change]

I told them, let's just say citizenship has gone up in bobblehead town.

[Jacob]

Some of the comments are like, I can't believe Mon. Mon's a secret Republican. Like, y'all are insane.

[Monét X Change]

All I'm saying is there's been a lot of applications for. For citizenship over here to. To become a bobblehead. And I told y'all, we are. The borders are closed. We have. We have sealed borders over here.

[Jacob]

Honey, listen well. What you feel. To understand as a monation, we're not fickle, okay? We ride. We don't. We don't just turn our back on our people when they go through a tough time with citizen.

[Monét X Change]

We are.

[Jacob]

We are riders.

[Monét X Change]

Here's what the. Ya mon. Y'all's borders are sealed too, but it's to keep y'all in. Y'all can never get out.

[Jacob]

Honey.

[Monét X Change]

You fuck with her, you with her. Y'all are stuck over at the Monation. Honey, y'all will never make it out of there alive. Y'all. Y'all are truly are in an extreme dictatorship.

[Paul]

Also. We moved on. But I do have new information about late night. So Full Frontal with Samantha Be ran longer than Chelsea's show. Chelsea's show ran not much shorter than hers, so they were both seven seasons. But Full Frontal has a little bit more time. But Chelsea's show aired five nights a week and has dramatically more episodes. So Chelsea's show had like a thousand episodes to it, and Samantha's only had 218.

[Jacob]

I used to love Chelsea Lay. Chelsea Lay was such a good show. So good.

[Monét X Change]

Nigerians. 10.

[Jacob]

Jackie. Jackie Asamoah. Her husband.

[Monét X Change]

His name. We need names.

[Jacob]

The woman from Chewing gum. Fuck. Morenicave. Banjo 1.

[Monét X Change]

Although chewing gum is a British national, I don't know if she has Nigerian citizenship.

[Jacob]

Ok. Ghanans. Ghanaians.

[Monét X Change]

Bitch. Can you name a Ghanaian?

[Jacob]

I'm not on the docket. It's you.

[Monét X Change]

I can't name a Ghanaian. You can't name one.

[Jacob]

Oh, my God.

[Monét X Change]

Bob Monegana is a tiny country.

[Jacob]

You have five seconds left. Anything? Give us something.

[Paul]

For what it's worth, Mikayla Cole, the star of Chewing gum, is of Ghanaian descent.

[Monét X Change]

Michaela Cole, though, she's.

[Paul]

But she was born in London.

[Monét X Change]

Yeah, it's descent.

[Jacob]

OK, this is going to be easy. Five people from New Jersey, OK. Michelle.

[Monét X Change]

Visage, Jon Bon Jovi, Wendy Williams, Shaquille O'Neal, Lauryn Hill. Nippy Houston, actually, is Lauryn Hill from New Jersey.

[Jacob]

She is. She went to. Her and Whitney went to the same church.

[Monét X Change]

I'm gonna make it easy for you. I'm gonna give you easy one, too. A toss up. A real easy one. The UK 10.

[Jacob]

Oh, the Vivienne Michelle visage, you're starting over.

[Monét X Change]

No one from Drag Race. 10.

[Jacob]

Wait, wait, no, wait, hold on.

[Monét X Change]

Why nobody from Drag Race? Because this is too easy. 10.

[Paul]

But you said Michelle Vent for Jersey.

[Jacob]

Yeah, so? So we're taking one from you from Jersey.

[Monét X Change]

This is an entire country with like, with like 8 countries in it. 10.

[Jacob]

Idris Elba, Michaela Cole, Tom Holland.

[Monét X Change]

0. Cuz you would have just gone down the Drag Race line. That was. That would have been too easy.

[Jacob]

It's the pressure. It's kind of like how you're really bad at playing anomia because of the pressure. I'm bad at doing that.

[Monét X Change]

Okay. I'm gonna make it. This is the easiest one. And no one from Drag Race.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Monét X Change]

And they have to be raised here. Ok. New York City.

[Jacob]

Oh, my God. Alicia Keys, Donald Trump, Don Jr. 5. Ivanka Trump.

[Monét X Change]

She's not from New York City.

[Jacob]

She is from Ivanka, the daughter. And John Kennedy doing the Trumps.

[Monét X Change]

Three Trumps is crazy.

[Jacob]

My brain can't think of who it's.

[Monét X Change]

Cheating and it's crazy. I don't think JFK is from New York City. Is he? I don't know. That accent is not from.

[Jacob]

People think that John F. Kennedy was.

[Monét X Change]

Cute, but fair and south.

[Jacob]

I didn't think John F. Kennedy was cute.

[Paul]

JFK was born in Massachusetts.

[Jacob]

Oh. But I don't think John Kennedy was cute. It's tough. That's a tough one. Okay. You to New York City.

[Monét X Change]

Okay. Bernie Sanders, Jay Z, Eric R. Is from Bernie Sanders, Jay Z, Liza Minnelli, Annie. Right? Wrong.

[Jacob]

You see, it's not fucking easy, bitch. It's hard.

[Monét X Change]

And with that. No, I'M kidding. All right. This episode was unhinged.

[Jacob]

I know.

[Monét X Change]

All over the place. Unhinged.

[Jacob]

And until next. And you know what, y'all? We promise we'll make the next one just as unhinged. So we'll see y'all next week.

[Monét X Change]

All right. Bye y'all.

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