Sibling Rivalry: The One About Wicked For Good

Podcast: Sibling Rivalry (with Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen)
Episode Date: December 10, 2025
Main Theme:
This episode dives deep into the new “Wicked” movie (particularly Part Two), explores timeline myths about Monét and Bob’s lives, debates the morality of Glinda, and celebrates/dissects musical theatre and opera with loads of characteristic banter.

Episode Overview

Monét X Change and Bob the Drag Queen—beloved, uproarious besties and Drag Race winners—unpack their chaotic childhood timelines, spar over the new Wicked film, and spiral hilariously into topics from opera newbies to the queer subtext of superhero butts. There’s a spirited (and explicit!) debate on Glinda’s sins, the musical merits of “No Good Deed,” pop culture plot holes, and whether being a savant matters in drag.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Clearing Up the Monét and Bob Timelines (03:16–13:41)

• Monét’s upbringing spanned Brooklyn, St. Lucia, Atlanta, New Jersey, then back to New York with detours to Portland.
• Bob’s own path encompassed Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Montana, San Francisco, and New York.
• Both marvel at their nomadic childhoods and compare notes, bringing in producers Jacob and Kane’s even wilder moving histories.
• Quote:
  “Jacob lived in more than we did. North Carolina. Philly, New Jersey. New York City, San Francisco, Los Angeles. The moon.” — Bob (12:36)
• Humorous moment:
  Monét confesses to misleading everyone about “dating” a fellow summer-program classmate, Jazz and Rice.

2. Penis Talk & Double Penetration Logistics (13:29–14:18)

• A signature SR tangent: Bob and Monét discuss the technicalities of double penetration, relating it to, yes, “the shape of my penis.”
• Quote:
  “The shape of my penis is not really conducive…” — Bob (13:47)
  “You’re facing them, and if a curve up is straddling them from the top, then we could probably double penetrate.” — Bob (14:07)

3. Opera, Savantry, and Musical Snobbery (14:27–21:00)

• Monét and Bob discuss attending opera, what makes one a savant, and which operas are engaging (or deadly boring).
• Monét recounts falling asleep at an opera because Bob barely appeared until the final act.
• Brief insights into opera structure, musicals (Stonewall, Anna Netrebko at BAM), and ticketing complaints.

4. Wicked Movie Review, Part Two (31:34–66:38)

General Impressions & Casting

• Both prefer Part One to Part Two, but agree the film is strong overall.
• Michelle Yeoh’s casting as Madame Morrible is debated; Monét would have preferred Sheryl Lee Ralph.
• Quote:
  “Michelle Yeoh was miscast. I think it was a really, really poor decision to not have Sheryl Lee Ralph.” — Monét (32:10)
  “I don’t even believe that you’re really annoyed by this girl; I think you’re pretending…” — Monét (32:39)

Glinda as Possibly the Real Villain

• Bob takes a strong stance against Glinda:
  “To be clear, Glinda is the bad guy. Glinda is basically like if Caroline Levitt became the head of state…if Erika Kirk became the head of state.” (32:36)
• They debate Glinda’s awareness and complicity in framing Elphaba, failing the animals, and not using her head of state power to expose the wizard and Madame Morrible.
• Glinda compared to centrist Republicans:
  “Glinda is…Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to come back to the good side after Donald Trump got found out… She’s a centrist Republican.” — Bob (63:01)
• “I feel like what’s going on is Glinda is more than comfortable allowing her best friend to be not just villainized…” — Bob (35:51)

Plot Holes and Oz Lore

• Run-down of stage vs. movie Wicked endings and what’s changed.
• A deep-dive into the fate of animals (“citizens” like Dr. Dillamond) in Oz and politics as allegory.
• “You need a scapegoat. It’s like politics now. You need someone to blame: brown people, trans people — boom.” — Bob (60:50)
• Confusion over who in Wicked can actually do magic (Nessa, Elphaba, Madame Morrible).

Standout Performances

• Both gush about Cynthia Erivo (Elphaba) and Ariana Grande (Glinda), agreeing their performances are “next level.”
  • “Cynthia and Ariana Grande’s acting is so next level…they have both cemented themselves as really, really phenomenal talent.” — Monét (39:06)

Broadway Nerdgasm

• Detailed debate about which Elphaba (Menzel, Espinosa, Cynthia) delivered the best “No Good Deed”
• Quote:
  “No Good Deed, I think, is actually one of the best movie musical moments of all time. Genuinely.” — Bob (48:47)
• Menzel’s ‘Fiyero’ moment discussed for its emotional impact.

Representation in Wicked

• A sidebar into Broadway history: which Black women played Elphaba and Glinda, importance of representation, and roles of understudies.

5. Pop Culture Tangents (29:15–31:31, 66:38–71:46)

• Superhero butts get discussed (Nightwing’s “thick butt” and cosplaying).
• The original “Wizard of Oz” book is recounted for its much darker content.
  • “The Tin Man is a mass murderer. Horrible. He kills for fun.” — Bob (67:37)
• Movie and TV adaptations (Oz the Great and Powerful, The Wiz, Penguin TV show).
• They marvel at how much source material from the books is rarely adapted for screen.

6. Trauma, Therapy, and Family (21:07–22:49, 71:48–74:44)

• Monét shares struggles with accessing therapy and promotes Rula, a therapy matching service.
• They close by reflecting on going “no contact” with difficult family members.
  • “I have two uncles that I’m no contact with.” — Bob (72:55)
  • Nuanced takes on why and when they’d consider reconciliation.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Monét (on Michelle Yeoh):
  “I don’t even believe that you’re really annoyed by this girl. I think you’re pretending you’re playing, that you’re annoyed.” (32:39)
• Bob (on Glinda):
  “The mental gymnastics is crazy.” (48:48)
• On being savants:
  “Are we savants?... Sibling savanerie.” — Bob & Monét (19:12–19:14)
• On Nightwing’s cosplay:
  “Nightwing cosplay is about the butt.” — Bob (29:54)
• On the original “Oz” book:
  “The Tin man is a mass murderer. Horrible. Like, he kills for fun.” — Bob (67:37)

Fun and Unexpected Segments

• Video Game Banter:
  The gang jokes about Andy playing Helldivers 2 and Baldur's Gate, their own gaming prowess, and the idea of a sibling gaming evening. (27:01)

• Singing Partners:
  Monét and Bob playfully brag about their partners’ (Jacob and Andy) singing talents and the joy of spontaneous at-home concerts.

Timestamps for Main Segments

• Timeline Chaos: 03:16–13:41
• Penis & DP Chat: 13:29–14:18
• Opera & Savant Discourse: 14:27–21:00
• Wicked Movie Deep Dive: 31:34–66:38
• Pop Culture Tangents: 29:15–31:31, 66:38–71:46
• Therapy & Family Boundaries: 21:07–22:49, 71:48–74:44

Language & Tone

The tone is irreverent, sometimes raunchy, always fast-paced, and brimming with inside jokes and pop culture references—classic Sibling Rivalry energy. The podcast features a dynamic, playful back-and-forth between Monét and Bob, sprinkled with affectionate jabs and genuine moments of reflection.

Conclusion

This episode is required listening for anyone eager to hear two drag icons untangle the queerness, politics, and drama of both Oz and their own lives, while serving up hot takes, deep knowledge, and plenty of camp.

“Not for good…” – Bob (74:21), landing the episode’s final, groan-worthy Wicked pun.