The One Where We Try To Be Clean (with Salina Estitties)

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – The One Where We Try To Be Clean (with Salina Estitties)

Podcast: Sibling Rivalry | Air date: March 2, 2026
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen, Monét X Change
Guest: Salina Estitties
(Summary skips ad breaks, intros, and outros.)

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together Bob the Drag Queen, Monét X Change, and special guest Salina Estitties for an unapologetically candid, hilarious, and musical discussion on all things drag, Broadway, sex positivity, career realities, and the challenges (and futility) of trying to be "clean" in a queer performance context. The trio veers through topics including RuPaul encounters, dating in LA (and the Grindr mansion story), drag gig economy, sex parties, the lasting trauma of growing up around violence, self-perception, and the joys and neuroses of being a drag star. Plenty of sharp shade, confessional moments, and classic sibling energy abound.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Musicals, Musical Theater, and Broadway Queens

Timestamps: 01:27–12:28; 31:36–35:41; 49:56–52:13

• Musical Love and Hate

  • Bob celebrates that, for once, a guest actually loves musicals as much as he does, unlike Monet:

  “Lordy, I get to finally talk about Wicked with someone who's not a fucking hater.” – Bob [01:53]

  • Running banter about which musicals are “basic,” with passionate (bordering combative) debates over Les Mis, Kinky Boots, A Chorus Line, and Charlie Brown.
  • Salina admits A Chorus Line is her top favorite, and Bob performs snippets of musical favorites live.

• Performance Experiences

  • Salina discusses doing eight shows a week in drag at the Pasadena Playhouse, her first Equity contract, and how critically praised live theater can open new doors—and shift perceptions:

  “I always get praise and like accolades and I think people ... saw me differently after seeing me in the cage. ... They were like, oh, wait, she can actually do things.” – Salina [52:13]

• Memorable Names Dropped:

  • Wayne Brady, Billy Porter, Todrick Hall, J.G. Harrison as Lolas in Kinky Boots.
  • Sheer Diamond, Cheyenne Jackson, Alaska, Morgan McMichaels as pillars in the LA scene.

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2. Drag Life: Fashion, Repeat Outfits, and Career Realities

Timestamps: 02:32–05:01; 25:39–27:16

• The Pressure Not to Repeat Outfits

  • Hilarious back-and-forth on whether you can repeat a look as a drag queen.
  • Salina confesses she once thought she needed a new outfit for every show post-Drag Race, only to find it financially unsustainable:

  “I kind of felt that when I first came on the scene after Drag Race, I was like, I have to have a new outfit every single time—it was crazy.” – Salina [03:49]

• Custom Vs. Off-the-Rack

  • Bob discusses the struggle to find cis-women’s clothing that fits as a bigger queen, and the cost of custom drag.

• The LA Drag Scene & Economy

  • Salina outlines the challenges of the local LA drag scene, post-Drag Race:

  “...like, it's not good. You're not going to make any money. I mean, make tips, but, like, there's no money.” [25:54]

  • The importance of “creating your own lane” after the show; tipping hats to queens who dominate the local scene.

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3. Dating, Sex, and LA Grindr Adventures

Timestamps: 12:32–24:29; 29:28–30:58; 40:16–41:01

• From Fuckboys to ‘Non-Brokies’

  • Salina’s arc from dating “fuckboys” and “brokies” to meeting wealthy prospects—finding that “rich guys” offer better housing but are “kind of boring” in bed:

  “Do you prefer the non brokies?...Yes, but they're kind of boring is what I'm finding. I bring the spice...I feel like I'm entertaining them.” – Salina [14:28–14:39]

  • Bob and Salina theorize about opening Grindr in fancy neighborhoods to hunt for “quality.”

• Mansion Hookups & Guns

  • The viral saga: Salina’s story about “eating ass by the fireplace” in a “nicely remodeled” mansion, only to find a pistol on the fridge and a shotgun on the table:

  “He had a pistol and a shotgun on display. He was building a gun closet.” – Salina [20:13] “I was a little nervous, but...I, I'm, it was a little hot.” [20:38]

  • Bob: “If I walk in and there’s a gun out, I’m leaving.” [20:33]

• Sex Positivity, Clean Acts, and Authenticity

  • Salina’s tension between being sexual and “marketable”:

  “I thought I'm gonna stop being so sexual because it's gonna bring more opportunities. And it didn’t.” [22:13]

  • Bob and Salina agree that owning their authentic, dirty humor is both freeing and inevitable.

• On “Print Party LA” and Sex-Positive Spaces

  • Salina reinvents an old West Hollywood party (Big Fat Dick) as a sex-positive event photographing dick prints, not faces. The group discusses the queer history, safety, and community of such spaces.

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4. Drag Sisterhood, Community & Enemies

Timestamps: 43:46–44:57

• Friendships and Drag Sisters

  • Salina’s close relationship with designer Godoy; the distinction between friendly “coworkers” vs. real sisters.
  • Navigating competition and jealousies (“I think there are girls who are mad at me because I’m not bringing them along...”).

• Rivalries and Being ‘Too Nice’

  • Bob’s observation that Salina is “nicer” than he is, noting Salina’s caution from negative fandom and online hate.
  • Discussion about how real-life and online drag fans differ.

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5. Upbringing, Trauma, and Identity

Timestamps: 45:59–47:32; 63:05–64:36

• Growing up in Stockton & Exposure to Violence

  • Salina relates growing up in Stockton, CA, a city “voted worst in America to live in under Cleveland, Ohio,” with daily gun and knife violence:

  “There were shootings, knife fights every fucking night. We had metal detectors to walk through every day. I grew up in the ghetto.” [46:44]

  • Bob links this to her wary relationship with guns and her sexualization/conflict with danger.

• The Influence of Queer Family Role Models

  • Raised partially by a “super gay” uncle in SF’s Castro, costume repeaters and all. At times, the visibility was empowering; at others, it complicated Salina’s sense of gay adulthood and stability.

• Mental Health & Self-Perception

  • Talks about periods of depression when not working, and how drug use intersected with a lack of hope for aging as a gay person:

  “I wanted to die before 27. I didn’t think being gay past 27 was worth living.” – Salina [63:14]

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6. Dating Preferences & Sexual Stereotypes

Timestamps: 55:40–59:00

• Salina’s Ideal Man
  • LA-based (not past Disney!); taller than 5’11”; broad, with body hair (“hot!”), financially secure or in entertainment—but “no drag queens.”
  • Open sidebar on the sexualization/fetishization of Latin identity in the gay community:

  “I feel like when white guys like Latin guys, they like...a fresh off the boat type.” – Salina [58:05]

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7. Viral Anecdotes & Unfiltered Moments

• Notable Quotes:

  • “I'm calling the cops on you and you're absolutely going to prison.” – Bob [01:35]
  • “You hoes could never be the titties.” – Bob [05:31]
  • “I strained my tongue eating ass recently.” – Salina [16:05]
  • “I did karate for 13 years. My dad scanned for — my dad wanted to be a stuntman…” – Salina [41:12]

• Funniest Moments:

  • Bob and Salina singing and critiquing each other’s musical knowledge.
  • “You look like Lickitung!” – Bob [16:22]
  • Near-constant shade: “You're busting a U-turn in crowded traffic!” – Bob [33:23]

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Memorable Segments (with Timestamps)

| Timestamp | Segment | Content | |------------|-------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:53 | Wicked Song Parody | Bob & Salina celebrate musical theater. | | 14:09–15:55| Big Fat Dick/Print Party| Discussion of LA gay history and launching a new sex party. | | 20:13–20:57| Mansion Gun Story | Salina’s infamous hookup with guns on display. | | 31:36–35:41| Spotify/Apple Music Wrap| Grooving on music preferences and sexual awakenings via Usher. | | 41:05–43:13| Karate & Fighting Skills| Salina’s history breaking arms in middle school. | | 63:05–64:36| Queer Family, Trauma | Drug use, role models, and attitudes about queer aging. |

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Closing Reflections

The chemistry between Bob, Monét, and Salina is electric—raunchy, honest, and never without biting humor. From discussing the reality of working drag performers, to the sexual politics of gay LA, to neurotic Broadway devotion, the episode is a testament to queer resilience, creativity, and the camaraderie of drag. Salina’s attempts to “clean up her act” become a running gag; the ultimate lesson is clear: authenticity and self-acceptance win out every time.

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Notable Quotes

• “I thought I’m gonna stop being so sexual because it’s gonna bring more opportunities. And it didn’t.” – Salina [22:13]
• “If I walk in and there’s a gun out, I’m leaving.” – Bob [20:33]
• “You hoes could never be the titties.” – Bob [05:31]
• “Do you hear the people sing?...You’re a hater, bro.” – Bob [32:39, 32:58]
• “I bring the spice...I feel like I’m entertaining them.” – Salina [14:39]
• “You look like Lickitung!” – Bob [16:22]

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

I remember this one trip to Atlanta. Girl, we booked Airbnb and it changed the day. Atl yes, it was incredible. The home was nicely furnished and it was perfect because we had all this extra space for all the things that a drag queen be needed.

[A]

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[C]

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[C]

And I'm Monet X Change.

[A]

And this is Sibling rivalry. On this week's episode, we welcome back Selena's titties.

[C]

We talk about musicals, kind of.

[A]

Then we find out what made Selena say this.

[C]

He had a pistol and a shotgun. We find out what made Bob say this.

[A]

I'm calling the cops on you and you're absolutely going to prison. What is this feeling so sudden and new?

[C]

I felt the moment I laid eyes

[A]

on you My pulse is brushing My head is reeling My face is flushing

[C]

what is this feeling?

[A]

Fervid as a flame does it have a yes. Lordy, I get to finally talk about Wicked with someone who's not a fucking hater.

[C]

Bro, there's so many haters out there.

[A]

And I'm with the main hater of musical theaters, Monet X Change. She's a big time hater of my whole Sock Crooked. She's a big hater of musicals and I get to actually have someone here who loves musicals.

[C]

I do love musicals. And you know, I feel like once Monet books a Broadway show. That'll change.

[A]

I want to talk about your look today. This outfit is amazing. You look beautiful.

[C]

You like it?

[A]

Absolutely stunning.

[C]

Thank you. I mean, I'm a fan of yours, to be honest, but would you consider yourself an outfit repeater? I think the Last time we did this podcast, you wore this.

[A]

Okay, I want to be clear. The only reason I put this on was because you walked in. Obviously, you're. You're an output. You're. Obviously, I'm your biggest inspiration. Obviously.

[C]

Period.

[A]

If you saw me, then you went and bought the same thing. Immediately.

[C]

Someone gifted me this, and they're like, guess what? I have the exact outfit Bob was wearing on your podcast.

[A]

So when you came in wearing it, I was like, I'm gonna go put mine on. But, I mean, I do repeat. I'm not. I don't have the kind of money to never wear outfits again.

[C]

You don't? No. Wait, is this a lesson I'm having to learn? Because I feel like I can't wear anything twice in the drag world.

[A]

That's too expensive.

[C]

It's so expensive.

[A]

Yeah, that's too expensive for drag. I will get new outfits made for a big thing, like, so for a tour, if there's gonna be a tour, I'll get maybe two or three outfits made for that tour, and then I'm gonna wear those again on something else. And then. But. Or if there's a music video or if there's, like, a big event. But I'm not getting outfits made for, like, boot scooting and boogieing.

[C]

See, I wish. I kind of felt that when I first came on the scene after Drag Race, I was like, I have to have a new outfit every single time. It was crazy.

[A]

It's expensive.

[C]

It's a lot.

[A]

And I don't have that money if I'm not poor. But I have. I have enough money to buy clothes, but not enough money to buy out every time I'm in or out of drag to wear something new. I mean, like, I. I do have it, but then these are, like, cheap, cheap, cheap outfits from, like, Fashion Nova.

[C]

I don't think mine is from Fashion Nova.

[A]

No, I'm talking about the drag stuff. Like, if I wanted in drag, it'd be, like, I'd be wearing, like, $15.

[C]

Stretchy. Yeah. A little hoochie coochie over and over

[A]

again, which, I mean, to each their own. But I. I find that at my size, cisgender woman clothing doesn't really fit me great. So I have to get it made custom. Or I just have to have, like, a short sleeve or the bus line is up on busing. Yeah. On. On top of my titties or something like that. Because, you know, the size of the. Of the woman that I am.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

How long you been a drag race girl?

[C]

Now, three years, 2000. Oh. Season 15.

[A]

And how does it feel? Pre Drag Race girl? Post Drag Race girl. Talk to me about Selena. S city. Pre Drag Race girl.

[C]

I was just pre. Pre Drag Race girl.

[A]

Yeah. Local girl.

[C]

I was.

[A]

I was.

[C]

You know how, like, Brita was like, the bitch in town?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The queen.

[A]

Yeah, she was one of the queens.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

She was Entertainer of the Year.

[C]

I was. I was like that, I think, before Drag Race. And then Drag Race takes you down a couple notches, and then you gotta build back up again.

[A]

So do you feel like you could go back to doing your local gigs and. Or are they all gone? You went to drag racing girls scooped up your gigs.

[C]

No, because my gigs were, like, gigs that I created that no one else could really do in la.

[A]

No one could be Selena. You hoes could never be the titties.

[C]

I would. Every time I do a drag show, it wins, like, the best drag show award in Los Angeles, because I go to New York to study the girls, and then I bring the vibes to la.

[A]

When's the last time you did one of those big Selena shows?

[C]

I brought my big show back, like, earlier this year, and I'm gonna do it again next week. Actually, next Friday, I'm gonna have one of my shows again.

[A]

Where?

[C]

At Kiso, my Lotteria show. It's. We play, you know, Loteria.

[A]

The. The game.

[C]

The game, Yeah. I have my own version with my own boards with, like, gay stuff and pictures of Drag race stuff and, like, it. It's all Estiddy's vibes, and I'm doing that next week.

[A]

First time I played lottery, I was in Mexico with my. With partner's family.

[C]

Correct. And I think you told me this story.

[A]

Yeah. And I. El Negrito. El Negrito came up, and I was like.

[C]

Because you took it with you. It's in your wallet.

[A]

I took it. I don't have. I used to carry it everywhere I went.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I was like, I'm taking this card.

[C]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

They don't need it. Everyone was like. Everyone felt very uncomfortable. And I was like, I'm gonna go ahead and take this one with me.

[C]

I changed that one in my version.

[A]

What is it? I'm gonna tell you if you. If you're going to prison or not.

[C]

It does not say El Negrito. It says La Reina the Queen. Yeah. And it's RuPaul, but I cover her face. I covered her face. I'm just kidding.

[A]

You're going to prison. I'm calling the cops on You. And you're absolutely going to. Going to prison.

[C]

Well, so in my original version that I had before drag, I made this game before Drag Race, And I had RuPaul on there, and it was. It was LA. RuPaul was the one. And it's like this. And then when I got on Drag Race and I redid my boards, I covered her face with hair, and I put the Queen because I didn't want her to send me a cease and desist.

[A]

You think she would do that to you?

[C]

I think so. She found it.

[A]

What did you do to her?

[C]

No, she likes to do those.

[A]

You ever touch her skin?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You touched your Paul skin?

[C]

I touched her hand.

[A]

When? What was it? What was the experience? What was the story?

[C]

Selena's titties. And I would be like, Paul in the workroom.

[A]

You ever touched her hand in full drag? No, I touched your hand and wrote full drag.

[C]

What was that like?

[A]

Well, during my season, when we were the top four, they eliminated all of us. We all filmed a version where me, Chi Chi, Naomi, and Kim all got eliminated. And when you get eliminated, you. If I recall correctly, you go off. I can't really remember what it was, but each of us had a chance where we were just sitting backstage by ourselves with RuPaul, no one around. Just. Why? Because the way they filmed it, like, RuPaul said something kind about the one who got eliminated, and then you and her walk off stage. So I grabbed her hand and I walked her off, and I walked her off stage. And then we were just sitting. We were just sitting backstage together. Just. Just. Literally just me and RuPaul by ourselves, sitting alone.

[C]

You want to know my. Well, my second RuPaul story I've ever had, which I treasure to this day. I was actually in AJ and the Queen before I was on Drag Race. The. The opening scene where all the Drag Race girls are in the dressing room scene. I'm in that scene, and I wasn't. So I was a drag extra and Drextra, a dragstra. You know, I used to audition before Drag Race. I used to audition for stuff in Hollywood, just in drag. So if it was like a dj, I would just submit myself a drag, and I'd book all these, like, TV shows. And so that was one of them. And RuPaul does an entrance down the stairs, and where they set me was, like, backstage with her. So I was right next to her backstage, and she could not get her lines because it was like this long monologue because she's too old and she's Very old. So she just kept trying to repeat her line. So then I would feed her her line before she would go on. Oh, I looked crazy. I think I was wearing, like, an Afro wig.

[A]

You were El negrito

[C]

negrita.

[A]

You became. You became the card that you banished. Isn't that crazy?

[C]

I love life. I love the circle of life. Speaking of Lion King, have you ever seen it on Broadway?

[A]

No, I've never seen it on Broadway, no.

[C]

You haven't seen it?

[A]

No, but I want to. Is it the Minsk Off?

[C]

Is that what the theater's called?

[A]

Yeah, the Minsk Off Theater.

[C]

What does that mean?

[A]

I think it's someone's name.

[C]

Okay. It sounds Jewish.

[A]

It sounds like maybe. Maybe. Or Polish or Russian. Minoff.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Russian. Very Russian.

[A]

And there's the. And then Wickets at the Gershwin.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

These are the ones I remember. And the Adam sand was. Was at the L. Fontaine.

[C]

Oh, this is such random facts. I know.

[A]

These are things that St My head. Kinky Boots was at the. Was at the Al Hfeld.

[C]

I love Kinky Boots. Have you played Lola?

[A]

I've never played.

[C]

Can you sing it?

[A]

Leave expectations at the door Just let your eyes explore my cinematic flare from my boots to dairy air I got a lacy silken feel with arms as hard as steel I am freedom from constriction A potpourri of contradiction Leave your humdrum some bum, bum behind yes, once you walk inside these walls, you're mine now let me blow your mind I think if I was hired to sing it, people wouldn't be running out of the theater crying at how bad I sang, but they'd be like, it wasn't as good as, like, you know, Joji. JG JG Harrison.

[C]

Who. Who's that?

[A]

JG Harrison won the Emmy, the Tony Award for Something Like It Hot.

[C]

And they played.

[A]

They played Lola.

[C]

Well, Wayne Brady is, like, the most recent one that everyone I feel like is the most common.

[A]

Wayne Brady, right. In Kinky Boots. Kinky Boots. I mean, I saw Wayne Brady at the Hollywood Bowl. Oh, Wayne Brady at the Hollywood Bowl. I saw Wayne Brady. I got to be honest, Wayne Brady was sickening. Was really good.

[C]

He's very sweet. Have you met him? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So hot.

[A]

He's very high. He's pansexual.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

So you have an op. You have an opportunity.

[C]

I have been dating men. No, I'm not doing all that.

[A]

No.

[C]

I've been a really good girl, and

[A]

I was praying together.

[C]

So earlier this year. Wait.

[A]

Before we move on, I want to talk about Kinky Boots. I want to talk about your.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Your dating career. Okay. I'm gonna be honest. Of all the Lolas I've seen, and I think I've seen Kinky Boos more than any Broadway show I've ever seen. Cause I have a lot of friends who are in it.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I didn't get to see Billy Porter, but I heard he was magnificent.

[C]

Original obc.

[A]

I saw Todrick Hall, I saw Wayne Brady, I saw J.G. harrison. And I saw someone. Whoever was in the London cast, I think they were from the Voice. And to be honest, the. The best one was probably J.G. harrison. Oh, like work insane. Todrick and Wayne were on similar levels. Like, they were both insanely funny.

[C]

Do you remember when Todrick was promoting his kinky boots on Drag Race and did like a number? That was sickening.

[A]

It was fucking sickening.

[C]

Sickening.

[A]

So, I mean, you were saying your dating career.

[C]

Oh,

[A]

are you seeing someone right now?

[C]

No, I was like talking to a couple guys, but.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

What I want to say was polyamorous.

[A]

Oh, they didn't know about each other?

[C]

No.

[A]

Play a play because I'm dating. Are you a play when you're dating?

[C]

You're tasting the waters. You know what I mean?

[A]

I'm not. Oh, what is this? Why are you showing us this?

[C]

This is my party.

[A]

It's called Print Party la. Tell us about print. Wait, do we need to. I want to get into the dating before we jump over to Print Party la.

[C]

Really quick. Beginning of this year, I was like trying to date and they were all fuck boys and I was like, oh, my God, this sucks.

[A]

Don't get rid of it. We're talking about it.

[C]

It hurts how, how I'm just being, you know, they're everyone. And I didn't know that that was the case. So I was like, stop dating. So now I'm in a different place and I'm dating guys and I'm dating dice who are different caliber, I would say, of men.

[A]

So everyone you did before was ass, low, garbage, and now you're stepping up to the next level.

[C]

Yes. And it's very interesting. These men have careers, really nice houses. Like, I'm like, where are you finding these men? Randomly in, like in person. And then on Grindr. Every now and then they are like,

[A]

so do you just drive to the nice areas and open up Grindr? No, you just go to the Hollywood Hills, turn on Grinder because why is no one doing that?

[C]

That's. You know, sometimes it's not the like. Like, I was just in Glendora. Glenora Hills. I don't know where that is. But it was like this nice little mansion. I was filming a project and there was no one there. There's nothing.

[A]

I'm going to try to go to Beverly Hills and open up my grinder and see what I can get.

[C]

I. I think there's nice stuff over there.

[A]

You so. Have you ever fucked in a mansion?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Recently?

[C]

Yeah. No, we didn't fuck, we just hung out.

[A]

Like the owner of the mansion?

[C]

Yes. You haven't? Well, you know, it's.

[A]

You know, I'm just hooking up with brokies.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. I was hooking up with brokies in the beginning of this year and now it's changed and it's been so nice.

[A]

Do you prefer the non brokies?

[C]

Yes, but they're kind of boring is what I'm finding. I bring the like, spice to the, like, you know, to the game with them and I'm like, this is exhausting. I feel like I'm entertaining them.

[A]

You're doing double the work.

[C]

Yeah, it feels like that.

[A]

Are they good in bed?

[C]

Mm.

[A]

So you think the broke guys are better in bed?

[C]

Hell yeah.

[A]

So what's the benefit of dating a guy in a nice years in a nice house?

[C]

Yes, it's sickening. The views.

[A]

Okay, what is Print Party la.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Is this like Big Fat Dick?

[C]

It's inspired by Big Fat Dick.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Did you ever go to it?

[A]

I went one time. My friend won.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Ricardo Big.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Work. Oh, wait, which Ricardo?

[A]

Friends with Naomi from Work the World. Oh, he's working with the world for a while.

[C]

I don't know him.

[A]

So can you tell them what. What Big Fat dick was and then tell them what this is?

[C]

Big Fat Dick's a party thrown by Mario Diaz. So if you guys go to Hot Dog on Sunday, that's his party. It's the guy who does that party. He had this party at fubar, which doesn't exist anymore in West Hollywood. And it was every Thursday night. It's like this little dive bar and it would be packed and they played like disco, electronic music. And then you can go to the back, take a photo of your dick and then put it on the wall

[A]

or your breast or your.

[C]

Which is always boring. We want to see dick.

[A]

I think if showing your is fine is fun.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

I like looking at pussies though. So I guess we're indifferent.

[C]

But I guess I never really saw a lot of. But there was a lot of butts and I always thought the butts were boring.

[A]

I do agree the butts are boring.

[C]

That's what. When you said I think the.

[A]

But the butts are pretty boring.

[C]

It's a little boring, you know, So I like a dick.

[A]

And so unless you're spreading cheek and showing whole.

[C]

That part is really fun. I like to put my tongue in them.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think you're that unique.

[C]

I strained my. I strained my tongue eating ass recently.

[A]

How far does your tongue go out?

[C]

Not, uh. Why did I do that? That was so ugly.

[A]

What's. What's that one? What's the one? Pokemon bitch. You look like.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You look like Lickitung. No, go to Lickitung, bitch. You look like the Lickitung for a second.

[C]

My tongue's not even that long.

[A]

That's that literally me. We are so excited to share that we are partnering with Airbnb. And if you know anything about our lives, you know that we are constantly on the move. Whether it's drag gigs, comedy tours, filming vacations, and after years of living out of a suitcase, baby, we realized that a stay can totally make or break your energy.

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When on tour, you want a room that has two beds and one cramped room. No, you want two beds, your own private bathroom. And you need a kitchen table to eat. And the living room where you can actually settle in and feel like a human being. I remember this one trip to Atlanta. Girl, we booked Airbnb and it changed the atl. Yes, it was incredible. The home was nicely furnished, it was stylized. We had high ceilings, a massive living area. And it was perfect because we had all this extra space for all the things that a drag queen be needed. Okay, we had four or five suitcases. We had to practice our numbers. And honestly, we could see sing while I could sing well, Bob Mouth too, we could both sing as loud as we wanted without worrying about bothering the neighbors with, you know, these thin walls and hotels and things.

[A]

And as drag queens, we travel a lot. So it is much easier and nicer to have a larger space to unpack, spread out and vibe before you head to the gig. Plus, it's a lot more personal. I love chatting with the host, getting that authentic local perspective on where to go. And it just feels like a lived in experience rather than a revolving door. I'm serious. Booking stays with Airbnb has changed the way that we travel. It makes the road feel a lot less lonely. So glam up your next trip by Airbnb to find an amazing place to stay. Look, we all know that taking care of Your mental health shouldn't be any harder than taking care of your physical health. If you pull a muscle or if you get like a persistent cough, you go see a provider. For some reason, when it comes to finding a therapist, it becomes this massive, frustrating mission. You're dealing with long wait lists or you're staring down those huge out of pocket costs that make you think, I'll just deal with this myself and y', all. I've been there. Whether it's the pressure of work or just trying to keep your head clear when life gets loud, having a tool like therapy is a game changer. It's not a weakness. It's literally just a tool. And Rula, that's R U L A makes it simple to actually use that tool.

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[C]

No, I did something weird recently. One of the rich guys in the really nice places next to his fireplace, I. So I sucked his.

[A]

How big is this home?

[C]

Well, this one in particular, it was. It was really nice.

[A]

Can you give us any details at all?

[C]

Wait, that is.

[A]

So that's you. That's you with the rich guy.

[C]

That's me on their hole. To be honest.

[A]

Please make sure that they get this clip. Tell. Talk to me. Talk to me about. Talk to me about what? Describe this house and don't. Don't skip details.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Honestly, address and everything.

[C]

It's like a winter, it's like a winter cabin. There's a fireplace. He had just remodeled everything. There's like three bedrooms, the kitchen. He did have a gun. He had a pistol and a shotgun on display. He was building a gun closet.

[A]

And the guns were out.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I'm leaving.

[C]

I was a little nervous, but I,

[A]

I, I'm, it was a little hot. If I walk in and there's a gun out, I'm leaving.

[C]

It's kind of sexy.

[A]

This may be if it's behind some sort of a display. If it's behind the display.

[C]

He was building a display behind the display. It wasn't ready yet.

[A]

Well, then why are they just sitting on the, on the table?

[C]

It was one on the fridge and one on the table.

[A]

Girl. He was a drug lord.

[C]

No.

[A]

No. Yes.

[C]

No. He has, like a nice job.

[A]

Yeah. Drug lord.

[C]

Well, you know, people with nice jobs.

[A]

They, they. What did he say he did?

[C]

I don't remember.

[A]

See, he made it up.

[C]

Maybe.

[A]

Girl, you just like Colombo or somebody. Well, would you date a drug lord?

[C]

No, it's too scary.

[A]

But you'll fuck one by spider.

[C]

They would come. They would come. Well, actually, what I was going to say was, I. Have you ever sucked a hole before, like, like, and felt it go into your mouth? I didn't mean for that to happen.

[A]

It feels like you're asking for something. You might be getting more than you bargain for.

[C]

I know it's scary. It's, it's dangerous territory, but I did it recently and I popped something in my mouth.

[A]

Yeah, his asshole popped into your mouth.

[C]

It did, but then I popped something in the roof of my mouth. Like, I.

[A]

Do you remember last time you're here and you were like, I don't want to be talking about sex all the time.

[C]

Yeah, you know what? I've kind of just embraced the fact that I am not like a mainstream baby. You know what I'm like. I don't feel like I'll ever. Like, okay, so I was cleaning on my acts. Like, maybe I'll be more marketable, huh? Cleaning out my ass.

[A]

You're cleaning out your act. Oh, well, that too.

[C]

And like, I thought I'm gonna stop being so sexual because it's gonna bring more opportunities. And it didn't.

[A]

I mean, well, you did it for two days. You listen. You said I cleaned him act for two days. I can't believe Hollywood hasn't called yet.

[C]

They haven't.

[A]

Don't they know?

[C]

Don't they know how hard it was for me to clean up my act.

[A]

You have to give it time. I mean, how long did you really clean up your act? Honestly.

[C]

Honestly, I've been pretty good. Unless I talk to you, and I'm

[A]

talking about sucking up video of yourself dressed as a slutty labubu with your dick hanging out. That was. Was that part of your cleaning up your act?

[C]

I'm talking about in drag.

[A]

You suck when a guy's pink sock out of his asshole next to a loaded Glock. Is this part of your cleaning up your act?

[C]

Sometimes.

[A]

You host a party called print party la.

[C]

Sometimes.

[A]

Is this part of. This is on Wednesday, November 26th. Is this part of cleaning up your act? No.

[C]

But I will say this has inspired me in a very beautiful way.

[A]

I don't want to be the bare button, baby. You never clean up your act.

[C]

Well, listen, I have aspirations in life.

[A]

One day, I mean, maybe you could be dirty and still have a career.

[C]

Well, that's what I'm. I. I'm like, okay. Well, I was taught. I've talked to a lot of our Drag Race sisters, the popular ones, and who work a lot, and there's a consensus across the board that times are rough right now and it's a little dry out there, and if we see

[A]

something kind of like your vagina, mama.

[C]

Well, if I take you. If you take me to the back, I can show you the front.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

So there's a. There's like a. Their gigs are a little rough right now for the girls. I'm busy in an. In a cool way.

[A]

You broke bitches could never be as busy as Selena.

[C]

Well, as famously said by Bob the Drag Queen at the Queerty Awards, once, Selena will show up to an envelope opening. I will be there, bitch. If I'm available, yes, I like to work. So I find when I don't work, I want to kill myself. You ever want to kill yourself? I don't like not working.

[A]

That was crazy.

[C]

Was it?

[A]

Let's keep this woman working. If y' all have any job offers, she will bag groceries. She's a paralegal. She is a phlebotomist. Just. Just get this a gig. We need you here.

[C]

I will do it all.

[A]

We need you here.

[C]

I get very depressed when I'm not working.

[A]

No, that's valid and fair. Valid and fair.

[C]

I don't like not working. I realized but one time. Okay, okay.

[A]

My.

[C]

My. My. My bar owner friend was like, hey, do you want to do a party? And I was like, sure. But I didn't want to be in drag, Because I've, I. What you were asking was like, do I go back to my local gigs? Not really. I don't feel like there's a lot of girls who want to move to la, like from Drag Race, and they're like, what are the gigs like here? And I'm like, girl, no. Like, it's not good. You're not going to make any money. I mean, make tips, but, like, there's no, there's no money. I feel with local drag here after Drag Race, it's hard unless you create your own lane like Alaska does. Right. And like, so Morgan, Morgan has those shows that she, Morgan is like the queen of the shows out here. So you go to do her shows, but other than that, there's nothing.

[A]

You got to tip your head to the queen when you come to town.

[C]

Correct. Well, you know, she is the title holder right now.

[A]

She just won Entertainment of the Year.

[C]

Sickening.

[A]

She was. So congratulations, Morgan.

[C]

I love her. So unless you're doing a Morgan show, there's not a lot of gigs to, like, do as a drag girl. You have to go outside of la kind of. So. I don't want to be in drag because I was like, I don't want to. I'm tired. I'm feeling the Labu Boo boy, the Le Boy boy. So I'm like, let me throw. I was like, if I. What kind? Okay, here's the thing. I love a dark room and I love sex. Hooking up.

[A]

You've been very unclear about this.

[C]

May know. So I, I, I love like a hot dog sundae. But there's not necessarily, like, a place to fuck, right? Because it's like a bar during the day, whatever. But people do hook up, but, like, they have to go to the bathroom. And I was like, I love underground parties. Like, all my friends, like, you know, the Osman Austin, all that stuff, there's dark rooms where people hook up.

[A]

Hospital.

[C]

Yeah. It's like one of the underground dark

[A]

room parties that, like. Is that like, horse meat?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

It's the same vibe. It's warehouse party underground. So I was like, is there a way that I can combine like, like the hookup culture and the party, like the socialness of the party together? And I was like, thinking about, like, big fat dick and how it alluded to, like, this sexual energy off the bat because of the pictures of the dicks everywhere. So I was like. And, and, and that big Fat dick party was, like, such an iconic party of, like, my upbringing as a gay kid.

[A]

Kid, gay Young man.

[C]

Young man. And to be clear, there were no

[A]

children at Big Bad Dick, and I

[C]

was not there as a child.

[A]

We mean club kid.

[C]

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, running the streets, like, discovering my gayness. Like, that place was a very safe place for me to, like, be like, wow, dick. So I was like, there's nothing that I feel exists like that anymore. And I think there's, like, a new generation of young adults who don't, you know, have not experienced that. So I was like, what if I can make my own version of it? And you like, I love a penis and I love a dick print. Like, it's my favorite. Like at the gym, baby.

[A]

Like the bird watch, baby.

[C]

The birds are delicious.

[A]

So are we taking pictures of dicks at this party?

[C]

We're taking pictures of bulge. Got it. And then the audience gets to choose the top.

[A]

Will yours be displayed?

[C]

Maybe mine is displayed and you guys have to go and see.

[A]

I have an idea that I kind of want to do, and I've had a few queens agree to it, but I've just never put the. The ball's in motion.

[C]

Told me this.

[A]

So if we can get 10 dick pics, no queens, and you send them each a clone of Willy.

[C]

Oh, yes, that's right.

[A]

And then you make a dildo based on your penis, but then you anonymously ship it back. So even I don't know whose dick is whose, and then I just display them all. So I say, These are the 10 queens. These are the 10 dicks.

[C]

Whose is whose?

[A]

Well, we're. One of them is someone's.

[C]

We're going to know which one's Evie's.

[A]

Well, but also, you're not allowed to. You're not. It's not allowed. No one whose penis has been publicly shown, because then you can start whittling it down. So if we have, like, you know, Alaska and Evie, and I don't know, whoever's dicks out there, Candy, Muse, and whatever, theirs are already on the Internet. So it's got to be people whose penises are Internet anonymous.

[C]

So all the season 18 girls, do they?

[A]

Are they. I mean. I mean, my penis is not on the Internet.

[C]

Mine isn't either.

[A]

Yeah. I don't send news, though.

[C]

I do, but I don't send with face.

[A]

You send. You have tattoos all over your hands.

[C]

My hands aren't in the photo.

[A]

Do you have tattoos in your legs?

[C]

No.

[A]

Do you have birthmarks?

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I don't think so.

[A]

Are you. So what are you. You get. You got your arms behind Your, like.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I. Yeah, you have a lot of tattoos, but I don't.

[A]

You have tattoos. You have no tattoos on your legs.

[C]

It's like this.

[A]

Can we talk about dick pics that, like, I'm gonna go ahead and ban.

[C]

Yeah. On the toilet. Why are you taking a dick on the toilet if.

[A]

Oh, my.

[C]

Why are you hard on the toilet? There are people who like to jerk off on the toilet.

[A]

Okay? I'm not here to judge what you do. I don't care if you jerk off on the toilet. If you're sending me a picture of your dick and you're sitting on the toilet, all I can think is you either just shit or the toilet is actually just full of shit and you took a picture of your dick. That's. That's crazy.

[C]

Coming up.

[A]

This is crazy.

[C]

One of my favorite. I'm not going to say. Never mind.

[A]

No, you have to.

[C]

Now, one of my favorite kind of porn is like, spy cam porn at the Home Depot.

[A]

What is spy cam porn?

[C]

It's like, guys who, like, record guys at the urinal.

[A]

Oh, that's criminal.

[C]

I know. It's bad. That's why I was like. I shouldn't say.

[A]

I actually wish you had.

[C]

I know, but there's ones of, like. If there's one specifically at Home Depot,

[A]

I mean, there's a. There's a chance there. There's a chance that these people are all actually on it and they're just acting like.

[C]

Yeah, because a lot of times, let's

[A]

say that they're just like, oh, no. Oh, you know what? I mean? It's probably more than likely what it is.

[C]

That's very hot. But they're jerking off. There's. I think straight guys jerk off in those bathroom stalls.

[A]

Well, these guys are jerking off.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

They're in on it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

No, you're not gonna. You're. You telling me someone happened to catch you on a spy cam jerking off? No.

[C]

Well, sometimes, like in a little glory hole, sometimes they're, like, peeking over.

[A]

They're in on it.

[C]

Okay, good. We'll say that there's no way they're in on it.

[A]

How you. It's rare to catch that in the wild.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is it?

[A]

Were you gullible, though?

[C]

No. I have a saying with my friend. Only if you're looking. If you're looking for it, you'll find it. But for the most part, people don't notice that there's a guy fucking someone in the car right there.

[A]

How often have you seen it? Are you Looking for it all the time. You see people checking out their cars.

[C]

Yes. You know where to? Like, like on the freeway in traffic. Guys love to, like.

[A]

You see this with your eyes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Not videos of it. You see with your eyes?

[C]

With my eyes, yeah. If you're looking for. You'll find it, because homosexuals are disgusting.

[A]

I'm just in my car listening to npr.

[C]

You're not listening to Broadway.

[A]

I'm listening up first. I'm listening. I mean, I listen to some Broadway. I've been recently listening to the 25th anniversary of Les Mis.

[C]

Really? Oh, my God. There's a. There's a type of excuse.

[A]

You. What's your problem with. With Les Mis?

[C]

I'm not a Les Miser.

[A]

There's no way everyone. Les Mis.

[C]

That's why everyone. I'm not crazy about it. I don't care.

[A]

Les Mis is one of the best musicals that's literally ever been written. Literally ever.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

What are you mumming? Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

What's yours? What's your number one?

[C]

The chorus line.

[A]

Oh, but Les Mis is basic.

[C]

You think a chorus line is basic?

[A]

One singular sensation every little.

[C]

It's classic. Can you dance the choreo all the way through? And sing and belt your off? Yes. Yes. Iconic. Now do some choreo from Les Mischievous.

[A]

Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men? It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again. When the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drum. It is a life about to start when tomorrow comes. You're a hater, bro.

[C]

I don't care for Les Mis at all.

[A]

You know what? RuPaul was right about you.

[C]

What did she say about me when

[A]

she sent you off?

[C]

That's so shady. The way that we jump from topic to topic is so crazy.

[A]

Welcome to ceiling rivalry. I love it.

[C]

Okay, Because I get nervous that, like, I'm sorry that I sidetracked you.

[A]

No, it's okay. You don't. You don't have to bring us back to Broadway.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

We don't even have to go back to it.

[C]

I will every.

[A]

I see you trying to steer this car. You are busting a U turn in crowded traffic.

[C]

Cause we go so left.

[A]

It's okay.

[C]

And little Jacob's like, you guys. We did a focus group, and one of the points from the focus group is they wanted more organization in the podcast.

[A]

We're getting ready. You think this is a bit the diva bringing organization?

[C]

I don't actually know. I feel like part of our charm is that we. We Just go everywhere. This is just a loose topic.

[A]

Kind of like your vagina. Do you know? Did you do Spotify raps?

[C]

I'm Apple Music girly.

[A]

Tough time of year.

[C]

Yeah, it sucks.

[A]

But who's your number one, though?

[C]

My number one artist.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Artist and most played song. My most played song was so random. It was Ushered.

[A]

Wait.

[C]

Yeah, no, it was. What song was it?

[A]

Usher.

[C]

Yes, Raymond. From the Confessions album. U S

[A]

Y M O N D they've ever seen. What you want to do with me? Got to sing it like Joe to see.

[C]

I think that was the song. Actually.

[A]

I was just talking about how Usher was, like, a big part of my, like, sexual awakening.

[C]

Me too. Because the booklet inside the Confessions album is him in a hot tub. And it's is the first time I ever saw pubes. Pubic hair, because he had his pubes hanging out of the water. And I was just like, whoa, Usher, y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

Y' all don't get.

[A]

Usher was crazy. I mean, Usher's still very beautiful, but at the time, it was. It was fucking bananas.

[C]

It was sexy.

[A]

My number one song. My number one artist of the year was Kendrick Lamar.

[C]

Okay, I see that for you.

[A]

And I think my number one album was gnx. The Kendrick Lamar album.

[C]

My number one album was Jade's new album, actually.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Have you heard it? A life of show. Is it Life of the no show. That's Showbiz baby.

[A]

Life of Showgirl is Tyler. Taylor Swift.

[C]

No, that Showbiz Baby by Jade. That was my number one album.

[A]

My top three albums of the year were gnx. You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

[C]

Wait, I was Charlie Brown in high school.

[A]

Hairspray. Wait, what Original Broadway cast? Okay, don't play with me.

[C]

Yeah, it's good.

[A]

Are you one of the movie girlies?

[C]

I love the movie, though. The new girl in town finds a guy on the street. The new girl in town. Look, he's wearing his ring.

[A]

I would like a ring.

[C]

I would like a ring.

[A]

I would like a diamond ring on my wedding figure.

[C]

I would like a bigger, shiny diamond.

[A]

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we are back with Sex Positive. Recently dating El Chapo sucking his anus next to his fireplace with a loaded Beretta next to the bed.

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A baddie.

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You ever held a gun?

[C]

Gun? No.

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You've never even held one?

[C]

I don't like guns.

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Can we cut back? Can we. Can we do a quick jump back to Selena sucking dick with a loaded Glock pointed At her head.

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He had a pistol and a shotgun on display. He was building a gun closet. I was a little nervous, but I. It was a little hot.

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I mean I've never held a gun in my life. You know either. They look really scary.

[C]

Yeah, I'm not about. I don't like that A life can be taken.

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How do you think you'd fare in a fistfight?

[C]

Pretty good.

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You think so?

[C]

Yeah, I. I used to break kids arms in middle school. I did karate for 13 years.

[A]

How many arms did you break and what was the process?

[C]

I sprained one and I broke one and what?

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Can please give me any detail?

[C]

They were picking on me.

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I need more details.

[C]

This kid was telling me to shut up on the basketball.

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Were you talking about. No. So you were being silent. I want to be clear.

[C]

We were playing basketball.

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I want to ask. You were being completely silent.

[C]

A kid told you to shut up playing basketball. And I was winning and I was like haha.

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What. How old were you?

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14.

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And how was he 14? You just try to make the story. You're like nine. You don't want to tell the truth.

[C]

No.

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You're afraid to get canceled?

[C]

No, he was.

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And how did you break his arm?

[C]

You grab his arm and you bring up. Up this way.

[A]

That's. That seems violent. Yeah, you might be a violent person.

[C]

I did karate for 13 years. My dad, my dad scans for. My dad was going to be a stuntman and like for like not Bruce Lee. His like one of these like big like action movie.

[A]

Who's the one who's like sick now?

[C]

Jackie's sick?

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No, he was in the one.

[C]

Oh my Jet. Love that mov. Jet Lee. Yes. That's who it was. It was Jet Lee.

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I knew it was something told me it was Jet Lee.

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My dad was like.

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Unless your dad is like 105.

[C]

It was Jetly. He and he loved it. And he. And that was like. I think his dream is like work under those like with those guys. And he. He like sprained his knee. He fell off a roof. So my dad was never able to like pursue that. But I did karate because of that. For what I got to brown, I think.

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Is that high?

[C]

I. Is that like one? It's like one. I got to the one below black. I never got my black belt.

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Do you know that Ms. Cracker is a black belt?

[C]

I know this actually. I've seen photos of her.

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Yeah. Did you know this, Jacob?

[C]

No. But can you imagine the event where Miz Cracker faces up against Selena?

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Selena Karate.

[C]

I worked with Ms. Cracker.

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I paid good money to see that.

[C]

I worked with her in D.C. recently. And that bitch is hilariously cuckoo bananas.

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She's very funny. She's very, very funny.

[C]

She's bananas. Yeah. Yeah.

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She's a black belt in karate.

[C]

Yeah.

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And she used to do performance where she would break boards during her numbers. She would come out as Melina from. From even before. Before Anitra. She would come out this pre Drag Race. Even before I was on Drag Race, she come out and dress like Molina or Katana or. And she would. They would play Mortal Kombat, test your mic, and then she would have a staff. She was great with a bow. And she was. And she had the full. And she was like, yes, bring out boards. And she was like, yeah. It was honestly really gagging, kind of sickening. Yeah.

[C]

But then she does this viral dance. Was that her in that video where she's like, duck and doing.

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Probably video sounds about right. That. That's. That sounds like right now. So do you have stories like that from, like, your. Your. Like, who. Who are your LA sisters? Who are the pre Drag Race LA sister that you were good buddies with?

[C]

Goy Goy.

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Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

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Who Goodoy is.

[C]

Godoy is a. A designer and drag queen here in Los Angeles. She makes a lot of looks for Bob Monet, Naomi, all the girls.

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You've seen a lot of her stuff on Drag Race.

[C]

A lot of stuff. And Godoy is fantastic. I became very good friends with her, like, before Pandemic of, like, really taught me how to sew. And, like, when is it.

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When do you. When do the lessons kick in?

[C]

Next week.

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Got it. Okay.

[C]

No, she really technically taught me a lot how to, like, how to sew and stuff. And, yeah, she's my. She's probably one of my closest sister drag sisters I have. But other than that, I'm friendly with a lot of the girls. Like, I feel like it's very cooworker. Like, I show up, clock in. Hey, girls, Any enemies? No, but I think there's girls who are mad at me because I'm not bringing them along on the journey.

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Who?

[C]

I don't know.

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You know who?

[C]

No, can't say. You know, I want them to get their flowers.

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I tell you who's mad at me.

[C]

Who's mad at you?

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Holiday's mad at me from New York City.

[C]

Why?

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I. I quit a show that she was the producer of, and it was like a whole thing. I didn't want to be part of the show anymore. I thought the show was problematic, and I just thought it was not great. The.

[C]

The thing with me is, like, I don't. Like, I don't have enemies, and if you are an enemy of mine, there's something more wrong with you because I'm just over here crocheting. Crocheting?

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You crochet now?

[C]

Yeah, I've been crocheting for a year. Did you not know this?

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No.

[C]

Shut the up.

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Are you. Are you posting about it?

[C]

He's not my enemy anymore.

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He told me what you're talking about.

[C]

She pulled up a photo of Ross Matthews. I love Ross Matthews. We're good. I was going through it. I just got eliminated. I needed someone to attack.

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How close are you starting? Only fans.

[C]

I'm not. I'm not.

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Okay. I need a number 10 being like, by the end of the day. One being like, this will never happen.

[C]

If I do, it'll be in drag, and I'm gonna do something really creative.

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I need an answer 1 to 10. 10. How close are you?

[C]

Well, for me to be a boy or.

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Nah, this is up to. This is your business.

[C]

I probably start one for in drag and, like, have content behind a paint wall there.

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Can you describe it?

[C]

My content?

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Yeah. Are you, like, sucking ding a lings?

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I have this idea.

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I'm all ear. Do you have gun content you want to make where guys hold loaded, like a guy has a shotgun to the back of your head giving you back shots? Literal back shots?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You would like to see. Would you pay for that?

[A]

Buckshots in the back? No.

[C]

Oh, then I'm not doing it, Selena.

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I don't. Guns are scary.

[C]

I hate guns. I do. I'm not about that life. There were so many guns in high school. I hated it.

[A]

Wait, you would do it? Can you take us back to this hookup now? What did you say when you walked in and you saw the gun closet? It was hot.

[C]

I was at.

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Well, there were guns at your school.

[C]

Yes. There were shootings, knife fights every fucking night. We had metal detectors we had to walk through every day. I grew up in the ghetto. I'm telling you. I grew up in the hood.

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What school is this? Shout out. Your school.

[C]

Stockton.

[A]

Well, sounds nice.

[C]

No, it's not.

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Of course. This is.

[C]

Look up Stockton, California.

[A]

Can we look up the murder rate in Stockton?

[C]

Yes, look it up. It was voted, like, worst city in America to live in underneath Cleveland, Ohio.

[A]

Do you think this is probably why you have an affinity in. A sexual affinity toward guns? Do you think it's a childhood Thing

[C]

I don't have an affinity towards guns.

[A]

So. Wait, you have the numbers there. Okay. And. And from January to June of 2024 to 2025, homicides dropped to 19. That's a 36.7% decrease from the previous years.

[C]

Since I Left, it was 30.

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Before that. 30 people have been murdered. Homicided. And then there were peaks in. In 2020. 22. There was 56 homicides in 2020. The police recorded a decline since 2022.

[C]

I grew up as a kid in the Castro, San Francisco Bay area with my gay uncles. Then I moved to Stockton.

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Like, actual uncles or like, you know, people like.

[C]

Well, he's. He's my gay uncle. And he had his. His boyfriend at the time is your

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dad's sister, your mom's sister, your dad's brother, your mom.

[C]

My sister's brother.

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Your sister.

[C]

Can I show you him?

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Wait, your sister's brother?

[C]

My. My mom's brother.

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I was. That's your brother?

[C]

Can I show you him?

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Yeah, of course.

[C]

His name's my. The he for Halloween one year dressed as Lady Gaga, and then the next year he dressed as Britney Spears. And it was the same costume.

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Did he make any adjustments? No, he just said, I'm Britney. I'm.

[C]

But that's what I grew up with. He's sickening. I love him.

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Can we share this with.

[C]

Yes.

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All right, we'll get this.

[C]

He would love it.

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We'll text this picture over to.

[C]

I'll send it over now.

[A]

I wanna be clear. You can tell an uncle will send this. Cause it's a picture of a picture.

[C]

I have the actual photo.

[A]

It's an actual photo. And then the photo is laid on someone's leg. And then you took a picture of the picture. Yeah. That's hilarious.

[C]

That's my Theodore Roberto. And I grew up with him in the 90s in the Castro. Super gay. And then I remember.

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Where were you born?

[C]

90.

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Are you money of the same age?

[C]

Gang gay. She looks older, right?

[A]

You look at the same age, to be honest. I mean, you both look quite young. Well, no, you do look. You actually do look younger than Monet. Actually.

[C]

It's my hair.

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If I had to think about it, you actually do look younger.

[C]

When I push my hair back, I look older into the camera. See that.

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That you look younger than Monet.

[C]

No, no. That you look. Can. Can you look?

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Oh, yeah, she. Selena looks younger than Monet for sure. And it. It, It.

[C]

It is how much younger.

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If I were to just on the street guess how old Selena was, and I Was like trying to be as accurate as possible. I would assume that Selena was probably. Probably 30 years old. If I had to guess Monet, I would say Monet was 35 years old.

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I'll take it. She's 35. Yeah, I'm 35.

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You're the same age.

[C]

We.

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We cover that.

[C]

That's how math works. Anyways, then I moved to Stockton for high school and I left right away. I moved to Hollywood as soon as I graduated.

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Yeah, I can't do. I can't.

[C]

I hated it there.

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You went to live in a nice place like Hollywood?

[C]

Well, you know, I found choir. Sophomore year, I found choir and then I did Grease, the musical. I was Johnny Casino and then.

[A]

Which character is that one?

[C]

He's the sings of the hand jive at the prom.

[A]

Can you. Can we get a little bit of that?

[C]

No, it's not a fun song.

[A]

You asked me to sing and I sang immediately. This doesn't feel fair.

[C]

That's a boring song. I'd rather sing something else.

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Okay.

[A]

What are you gonna sing?

[C]

I don't know. Do you know we've been listening to your Good Man Charlie Brown? I love that.

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I. I know every word.

[C]

It's so good.

[A]

Can we get a rendition of Kite?

[C]

I don't remember how it goes. Can you.

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Little more win. Little more hope, little more speed. Little more hope. Gotta get this stupid kite to fly. Gotta make sure it doesn't droop, doesn't drag, doesn't droop. Gotta watch out for Ry little whoop, bump, boop, boop.

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So good.

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Okay, I sang it.

[C]

I don't remember, though.

[A]

Okay. Do you remember the title song?

[C]

You're a good man, Charlie Brown. You're the kind of reminder we need.

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You got humility, nobility and a sense of honor.

[C]

That is very good indeed.

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You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

[C]

You're the. You're king.

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You're a prince. And a prince could be king. With a heart such as yours, you

[C]

could open any doors.

[A]

You can go out and do anything.

[C]

You could be king Charlie Brown. I'm too great too.

[A]

No. But then the solo comes in. Every.

[C]

Everybody says to me, you're a good man, Charlie Brown. Every voice in harmony.

[A]

You're a good man. Okay, there we go.

[C]

God, I forgot about that. So long time ago. Yeah, well, I stayed in the theater because I didn't want to be where the guns were.

[A]

You've gone on to do a lot

[C]

of things since Stockton. Right, Since Stockton.

[A]

I mean, you. You were in a show at the Pasadena play. How many Shows a week. We all do in there.

[C]

Eight shows a week.

[A]

That's a.

[C]

It was Broadway.

[A]

Tight ass schedule in full drag every time.

[C]

It was crazy. It's hard to do full drag every day like that.

[A]

Did. Were you, Were you like living? Was that your. Was it. How many times have you done eight, Eight shows a week schedule?

[C]

That was my first time doing an Equity show.

[A]

How did it feel?

[C]

I loved it.

[A]

You. Oh, you were into it.

[C]

I loved it.

[A]

You got a really big cheer when you came out. Yeah.

[C]

Huh. Did you gag a little bit.

[A]

Were you like.

[C]

It was kind of cool. It was kind of cute. You know, it's interesting. I, I run into so many homosexuals, like, in the world as I travel and stuff, who were at. Who saw that production and they're like, oh, I saw you in the cage. I was like, what the. We're in Nebraska. Like, how did you. What? They're like, oh, I happen to have been in town and I always get praise and like accolades and I think people will saw me differently after seeing me in the cage. Like, I think that kind of upped my, you know, I was just like the loud girl crybaby from Drag Race. And then I think they were like, oh, wait, she can actually do. Do things.

[A]

And you guys work with Sheer diamond, who I absolutely love.

[C]

Oh, I love.

[A]

She is so nutty, y'.

[C]

All. She.

[A]

Diamond is so nutty. She is like, I've. I have never met anyone like she had diamond in my whole entire life. You want to check her out? She has some great music online. Yeah. Type in she S H A A And she's Diamond.

[C]

An amazing story too.

[A]

Yes. She. She spent like 10 years in prison. In a men's prison.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Came out and started working with Justin Transfer.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Write this amazing Justin.

[C]

Have you met him before? He's so nice.

[A]

Yeah, Justin. Yeah.

[C]

So nice. And also with Cheyenne Jackson, who I, I love. I used to make protein shakes for him.

[A]

We're hair transplant buddies now.

[C]

Oh, fantastic. Oh, I love that same person guy.

[A]

No. Oh, but we just, we're in this. We're in the sisterhood. Oh, cool. He's had five.

[C]

Yes, he's. He spoke about that.

[A]

He is very public about it. He commented. He just said, he commented on my thing. He was like, I've had five hair transplants.

[C]

He just had. Said. Talk about on my detox. Yes. I love him so much.

[A]

So you think you're better than us cuz you don't need a hair transplant?

[C]

Yes. If you need to borrow some follicles, I got something.

[A]

Pull it back.

[C]

Let me see you at my hairline.

[A]

Yeah. Let's see where you're at.

[C]

No, I'm like, cute right now. Yeah.

[A]

Wake it up. I know what it means when. When. When we all wear your hair down like this. You think, you think it's my first time with the rodeo?

[C]

It does make me look younger.

[A]

Hiding your hairline.

[C]

Five years younger. Yeah, 30.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Thinking you like, you like. You the queen of the hair.

[C]

I'm not. Not.

[A]

You used to fight back. What is going on? Ever since that guy held the gun to your head.

[C]

I've changed. No. One time, Bob action was like, well, you're too nice. You don't actually like to fight too much.

[A]

I said, you're too nice. Yes. Yeah, you. You are. You. You're nicer than I.

[C]

Well, I was very scared by the fandom, so I. I think I kind of got a little like. I don't want to talk about anything like.

[A]

You mean on the podcast or from Drag Race General?

[C]

Yeah, from Drag Race Grace. Than being on podcasts and stuff.

[A]

Why did the. What did the fans do this? That shook you up?

[C]

They were very mean.

[A]

Do you want to give any, like. What do you mean? Like, like in the comment section or in person?

[C]

In the.

[A]

Com.

[C]

Yeah, in person at my meeting.

[A]

In person at my meet and greet. That's. That's crazy.

[C]

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

[A]

No, but the fans online are not the fans in person.

[C]

It's true. They can't afford to go to a show.

[A]

They probably can't afford to go, but they're. They don't actually have. They can't. They can't emotionally afford to be as bold in person as they are are online.

[C]

True that.

[A]

I've learned that. I've learned they don't have the social currency to engage in nastiness in the way they do on the Internet.

[C]

Yeah. Because I. I'll break your arm.

[A]

Because you and you and you and you have a boyfriend who. Who has.

[C]

I don't have a boyfriend.

[A]

An unfinished gun cabinet.

[C]

He. He's not talking to me, actually.

[A]

What you doing? What happened?

[C]

Well, he's said from the get go that he's not in a place to like, do anything serious. Serious. So. And that's.

[A]

Whatever.

[C]

It's cool. He has guns.

[A]

When you lay down. When you lay down with a Beretta,

[C]

it's not a cheese.

[A]

No, Beretta's burrata.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

What kind of guy do you want to date? You might find him maybe he's watching. Listen, I'm gonna ask you a couple questions. You'll answer them, all right? Where does he live?

[C]

I mean, ideally in la, right? Because that's where I live.

[A]

How far were you? Except Australia?

[C]

This is a little far.

[A]

Okay, so we're gonna move it back. England.

[C]

It seems a little far.

[A]

Okay. New York?

[C]

Possible, but I don't trust that. Ohio is a little too far.

[A]

Nebraska? La, I think Nevada. So LA County?

[C]

Anaheim.

[A]

Anaheim.

[C]

Anaheim School.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

San Diego. San Diego. It's a little too far.

[A]

So San Francisco is way too far, maybe. So you have to be. The furthest you can be is. You can't pass this. Disney.

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay. We accept your boundary.

[C]

I just don't travel that far often.

[A]

We accept your brand. Okay.

[C]

How am I supposed to see you?

[A]

What does he look like physically? His body, his body type?

[C]

He's taller than me.

[A]

So how tall are you?

[C]

I'm five ten and a half.

[A]

So you have to be five eleven and up?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And then I think stature wise, like, big enough to.

[A]

So no skinny guys. You're canceling all the skinny guys out?

[C]

I think so. Only because I'm a big girl. Girl. I don't know. I could be with the skinny guy. But like, it's okay to have your standards. I'm not sure. I'm open.

[A]

Your preferences are. Your preferences.

[C]

I, I'm open. But I will say I like body hair.

[A]

This, this is a must have.

[C]

No, but I, I, I, I would be more fond of it.

[A]

Okay. We want him to have body hair.

[C]

Love body hair. Like back hair, if it's that hairy, sure.

[A]

But like, but you want mostly chest hair.

[C]

Hot.

[A]

This is my friend Mitch. Is this the kind of body hair you're talking about?

[C]

I came on to him in Hawaii and he kept it very professional

[B]

because

[C]

I was like, oh, I just want to see it. And then I feel like you said, yes, you. Or like Monet was just like, just ask him. I think you said that.

[A]

Actually, that sounds like something Monet was saying.

[C]

Just ask him, he'll show it to you. So I was like, okay, maybe I'll ask.

[A]

I think Monet was. Because that wasn't, that wasn't there.

[C]

No, you, you've, I think maybe, I think you said it before.

[A]

Maybe. And he do, he do be hoeing.

[C]

I know.

[A]

So I was like, but he's also professional.

[C]

He's very professional. And we were working together. We're on a gig together.

[A]

So he do be hoeing, but he's

[C]

also, he's Very no shade.

[A]

He do like Latino guys.

[C]

Oh, I'm not. See, that's the thing. I feel I'm not Latino enough for the guys who like Latin guys.

[A]

I want to be clear. You look super Hispanic.

[C]

Yes, but I'm not like,

[A]

talk to me, communicate. I'm not Latino, so you won't offend me.

[C]

I know I'm not like, I feel like when white guys like Latin guys, they like, like, like banji. No, they like like a fresh off the boat type Latin boy. Oh, you know what I mean?

[A]

They have an accent.

[C]

Ah, triggered.

[A]

What? Accent?

[C]

Yeah, it's a big trigger.

[A]

Oh, you not having an accent.

[C]

Yeah, apparently. Yeah.

[A]

It's a trigger for you.

[C]

No, it's a problem.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to trigger you. I apologize. Have you. Does anyone in your family have an accent?

[C]

All of them?

[A]

Yeah. You're the only one doesn't have an accent?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How does that feel?

[C]

Oh, and what was that like?

[A]

Sorry, that's. I got there from Meatball Meatballs.

[C]

That's that question.

[A]

So, okay, so this is, so this is a thing. Okay, we'll. We'll give out.

[C]

That's the thing that I noticed. Like, like guys that I, that like are like, like Latin guys. They like, like Latin Latin guys.

[A]

Got it. I understand.

[C]

Like pv.

[A]

Like Puerto Vallarta.

[C]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[A]

I've been to pv, but not really. Like I have passed through pv.

[C]

You've never been to PV like that?

[A]

No, I've been to pv. I went. I, I spent one New Year's in PV last New Year. That was in pv.

[C]

Oh, I wasn't, I was. Pride.

[A]

Okay, so what does he, what does this guy do for a living?

[C]

This guy? Okay, so I have two options. One, he has a career where he's like really well off and makes a lot of money.

[A]

Like in finance.

[C]

Yeah, something like that. Like some kind of executive. Some sort. But the other one is they work in the entertainment industry. They're just not a performer and they're like a producer of some sort. Executive producer.

[A]

So he cannot.

[C]

So they understand my lifestyle.

[A]

Are all drag queens off the board?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

No. Are comedians off the board?

[C]

No. Pretty good.

[A]

Okay, so no drag queens, but we can have comedians.

[C]

Yeah, comedians work.

[A]

Okay, nice.

[C]

They're like Kevin Hart Status Broadway.

[A]

Oh, they got to be famous. Famous.

[C]

I mean, I don't.

[A]

So you don't want, you don't want someone doing spots down at the, the Yuck Yuck Hut?

[C]

No, they still are doing spots. Cuz that's what comedians do. But, like, you have to be established and, like, have your together. I don't think I can.

[A]

No upand. Coming.

[C]

I don't think I can date a struggling artist. I'm the struggling artist here.

[A]

What if y' all struggle together? You may struggle less or. You thought that.

[C]

I thought that that would be an amazing idea. But then I get successful and I gain traction and then someone gets resentful.

[A]

Is this from experience? You dated a strolling artist?

[C]

No, he wasn't an artist.

[A]

Oh, he was just struggling.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I find he was just struggling with life.

[C]

I'm having a hard time, too, with my friends right now, where it's like, I'm trying to be successful and, like, we're all trying to be successful. And I. I have a fear that, like, I. They think I'm leaving them in the dust, but I'm not. But it's just like, I have to go and do this in order to, like, continue doing stuff. So it's hard sometimes with friends.

[A]

Have you spoken to your friends openly about that? The feeling that you're having open communication can save a relationship. It can really save a relationship.

[C]

You know, they just be mad and I'm like, I don't know what to do. I have to go work.

[A]

I mean, me and Monet very openly communicate.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. In front of people. Oh, my God. One time we had an episode here recently that we had to shut the whole fucking thing down.

[C]

We really.

[A]

And then go talk in the fucking.

[C]

Wait, for real?

[A]

Yeah. Kane was, like, here for it.

[C]

Really? What's it about?

[A]

It was about raising a pet together.

[C]

That's. Wow. Work.

[A]

Yeah. And a lot came up during our. I mean, the episode's never going to come out. It was so uncomfortable. Yeah. And then Monet was doing a bit. I didn't like the bit. She thought I was doing a bit. I was not doing a bit. And then we just had to go and fucking talk it out.

[C]

Wait, are you my therapist?

[A]

I am certainly not qualified to be anyone's therapist.

[C]

I feel like we've gone through the gamut of, like, dating friends, guns. We talk about it all, really.

[A]

There's something about me that I think that a lot of people feel really comfortable talking earnestly with. I think that I give people a sense that they can be comfortable with me and they can be themselves.

[C]

Have you ever thought of being, like, a drag therapist?

[A]

Never. Not once. Not even one time in my life. Because I. I actually really like talking about people's problems and stuff. But I think I like talking about myself even more. And somehow I would end up injecting bits of my own life into the. I don't think I can talk to someone without talking about myself for an hour.

[C]

Well, it's all you know is yourself.

[A]

That was. Is that, Is that like. Is that one of those, like, you come in the world, you're alone and you leave alone.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you ever thought about what you would like your last words to be?

[C]

No, I haven't thought about that. I. I actually don't know how I'm going to die or when.

[A]

But I also, to be clear, that's like when Tyra Banks said, the moment food touches my tongue, I can taste it. Most of us don't know. Most of us don't know how or when we're going to die.

[C]

But I had this feeling that I was going die very young.

[A]

Well, that. That ship is.

[C]

Oh, my God. Cut to the headline. Selena's titties Drag race. Drag queen found dead with a gun, bullet wound. Still middle aged with a bullet wound in her.

[A]

But what are you saying? You thought you were going to die young? Why'd you think that? Probably because you were at Stockton.

[C]

Well, yes. Well, when I was doing drugs too, I wanted to die really early.

[A]

That's right. You're a drug addict.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I wanted to die before 27. I didn't think being gay past 27 was like, worth living.

[A]

I mean, you didn't see your uncle and thought that Tio Roberto. Tio Roberto was like living a life that you thought was fun?

[C]

Well, that what had happened. What had happened with that was like in eighth grade. Or was it third grade? These kids were like, bro, your uncle's got rainbow stickers all over his car. I was like, yeah, they're all over the house and streets. You should see it. Sickening. And then they're like, no, that means it's a. And then that's when I knew that gay was bad.

[A]

In seventh grade, you know. Seventh grade.

[C]

That was in third grade.

[A]

Oh, Jesus Christ. Third grade.

[C]

Yeah. So that's when things started to shift for me.

[A]

But you didn't. When you were like, when you were out in the streets doing drugs and stuff, you didn't think to yourself, my God, Tio Roberto is so happy. He's dressing up like Gaga. He's living the life he's got. He. He did. He did. He is an outfit repeater, which is apparently a crime in your eyes. But besides his offensive outfit repeating, he seems to be living a really happy life.

[C]

Yeah, but there was a thing that happened.

[A]

Is he married.

[C]

When he broke up with his boyfriend at the time, he moved into my, my house with my parents and us. And then, like, he lived on the couch. And so in my mind, I was like,

[A]

you thought it was because he was gay?

[C]

It's not because he was gay, but it was just like my example of gay kind of shifted a little bit there.

[A]

Yeah, because you saw, like, the, you saw the, the broken up relationship.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, that's interesting.

[C]

I never thought about that. Is that the reason why I feel like I can't find a man?

[A]

I mean, I don't want to put it all on T. Roberto. That seems a little heavy for, for, for a Lady Gaga impersonator.

[C]

I called him a once when I was a teenager, mad at him. And then he, he came back, he's like, you're the. And he ate, he ate me up.

[A]

He said, he said, he said, I'll tell you who the is, honey. And then he held up a mirror. Cut to you on Drag Race.

[C]

Race.

[A]

Eat my ass sucking dick in the dark room.

[C]

Come to my party. It's called Print Party. It's a sexy party.

[A]

Where can they find you online? You know, our, our listeners really love you a lot.

[C]

Do they? I love the cousins.

[A]

You, they. You're, you're a fan favorite here.

[C]

I feel like I'm a cousin of yours.

[A]

I, I, I wanted you to know that. Give me your hand. No, like this. I really like you all, and I hope that you feel that. People always say they don't know how I feel about them, which is crazy. I feel like I'm so, like, explicit with my words.

[C]

You are, and I feel that from you, and I love it. I feel like you're my, the older brother I never had. You're like the older sis, the much older sister I always crave to have.

[A]

Why I gotta be old? Do you really see me as that much older than you? Do you, when you think of me, are you like, bob is older than me? All right, that's enough. I think we've. Give me these glasses. This is the glasses you're using to see, to see through y'. All. This, y' all queen.

[C]

This, y' all queen. I have astigmatism.

[A]

Bye, everybody.