The One Where We're Shirtless

Summary

Sibling Rivalry — "The One Where We're Shirtless"

Release Date: September 8, 2025
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change
Featuring: Producer Jacob
Podcast Description:
Monét X Change (Miss Congeniality, Season 10, Winner of All Stars 4) and Bob the Drag Queen (Winner, Season 8) are best friends, comedy queens, and not actual siblings—but their chemistry and hilarious banter have made Sibling Rivalry a beloved mainstay in the drag/comedy podcast world.

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Episode Overview

This episode, dubbed “The One Where We’re Shirtless,” sees Bob and Monét debating the origins of their titular shirtless promise—amidst bickering, accusations of gaslighting, and a running investigation over a ticketing link gone awry. As always, their rapport takes center stage, with detours into streaming obsessions, website drama, warrior princess cosplay, the linguistics of “corny” vs. “cringe,” and a late-in-the-episode exploration of colorism. Producer Jacob is an active presence, stirring the pot and mediating as needed.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The Shirtless Episode: Who Lied?

(03:08 – 10:10)

• Gaslighting Accusations: The show opens with Bob claiming Monét is gaslighting him about why they’re not both shirtless as planned. Monét insists this day was supposed to be shirtless, Bob disagrees, and producer Jacob becomes the tiebreaker.
  • Bob: “Monet tried to gaslight me.” (03:15)
  • Monét: “To be honest, Jacob wanted to answer truthfully, but you scared him.” (04:16)
  • Jacob: Explains he wanted Bob to be comfortable more than preserve the jokey bit. (04:23)
• Website & Ticketing Drama: The two fight over whose website is updated. Bob claims Monét’s ticket link doesn't work; Monét blames her web team and admits, “We do not strive for perfection here at Monet LLC.” (07:48)

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2. Working Dynamics: The True Third Sibling

(10:10 – 12:30)

• The hosts debate who works hardest (with Bob slyly asserting his supremacy) and whether Jacob deserves status as an official “sibling.”
  • Bob: “Jacob is low-key the unofficial third sibling, the babies of siblings…” (11:40)
• Conversation gets playful/weird as Bob claims: “I kissed my cousin when I was a kid. That’s true.” (12:01)
• The moment quickly devolves into fat jokes and “girl vs. bro” linguistic riffs.

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3. Who’s Cringe? Who’s Corny?

(14:30 – 41:13)

• Apple Watches & Modern Tech: Monét rails against Apple Watches—calling them corny and ugly. (14:15)
  • Monét: “If they made an apple watch that looked differently, I would be into it... I just don’t like having a little black square on my wrist.” (14:20)
• ‘Corny’ and ‘Cringe’ Defined: The hosts parse what each word means for them, with Bob speaking about intentional “cringe” in art while Monét focuses on how certain behaviors just feel “whack” or “goofy.”
  • Monét: “I use corny in a myriad of ways… In this time, I think it’s corny that people are just so tapped into the device and you can’t exist.” (38:44)
  • Bob: “When I think of something that’s corny, I think of, like… The jokes are intentionally quite cringe.” (39:29)
• Being ‘Cringe’ vs. Not Trying: Bob brings up social media/TikTok discussions about how a fear of “cringe” stops people from being creative—a theme Monét connects to artistic growth.
  • Bob: “Their fear of being cringy is actually stopping them from being creative…” (32:48)
  • Monét: “Part of our art, becoming good at your art, is…failing and trying and not succeeding... that’s one of the only ways to really get better…” (37:04)

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4. Meme Etiquette & Communication

(40:11 – 48:52)

• The trio discusses the politics of sending each other TikTok/meme content.
  • Jacob wonders if he has to fake-laugh at things he doesn’t find funny: “Is it acceptable to be like, this is not for me?” (41:24)
  • Bob: “My double-tap in the DMs is just, I acknowledge that I’ve seen this thing.” (41:37)
  • Monét: “You be sending me sh*t that is not quality and not hilarious.” (44:39)
• Monét avoids outing the friend who sends him “seven memes a day.” (47:00)

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5. The Try-Hard Conundrum: Is Ambition Cringe?

(54:09 – 61:56)

• Bob details how, for him, cringe is less about trying and more about “trying and pretending not to care.” He discusses the line between reasonable self-promotion and “begging.”
  • Bob: “I love to try hard. To me, I cringe when I see people intentionally trying not to try hard…” (54:14)
• Monét maintains she’s comfortable asking for what she wants. Bob admits his internal debate about publicizing ambitions—using anecdotes from when he wanted to host “After Midnight” and referencing people who campaign for SNL on social media.
  • Monét: “I would not feel kind of corny about that. I would do it right now.” (61:34)
• The two agree that there are lines where ambition might seem desperate, but also that directness can lead to opportunities.

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6. Modernizing Opera: Monét’s Grand Vision

(61:56 – 66:23)

• Monét pitches a “Drag Race Ballroom” version of The Magic Flute and advocates for more modern, creative opera stagings.
  • Monét: “What if it was set in like a 90s ballroom situation, where you have the Queen of the House of Night and Zoroaster is the mother of the House of the Sun?” (62:13)
• Bob confesses that, left to his own devices, he finds opera boring—unless Monét’s on stage.

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7. Colorism & Nuance in Black Experience

(68:01 – 73:07)

• The hosts turn toward a serious late-episode conversation about colorism in the Black community, reacting to a Laverne Cox town hall.
  • Monét: “I would not call Laverne Cox a light-skinned person… she’s just a brown-skinned woman.” (68:31)
  • Bob: “It’s not just light skin and dark skin, y’all. We as Black people come in so many shades… can we just acknowledge that there is nuance?” (70:31)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sibling Rivalry’s Dynamic:
  • Bob: “Jacob is low-key the unofficial third sibling. If I’m the eldest, you’re the middle child…”
• On ambition vs. embarrassment:
  • Bob: “I’m not afraid of people seeing me as cringe because I am a try hard. I love to try hard.” (54:14)
• On Cringe Holding People Back:
  • Bob: “They feel like people’s fear of being cringy is actually stopping them from being creative and having fun.” (32:53)
• On Modern Tech:
  • Monét: “You can exist without [an Apple Watch], too. So you have this in your hand, you have this on your wrist. I think it’s corny how people just have to exist with these things.” (38:14)
• Gag of the Episode:
  • Bob: “I kissed my cousin when I was a kid. That’s true.” (12:01)
• Philosophy on art and growth:
  • Monét: “That’s one of the only ways to really get better at whatever your art is.” (37:04)
• On Colorism:
  • Monét: “Laverne Cox not a light-skinned woman, she’s just a brown-skinned woman.” (68:31)
  • Bob: “It’s not just light skin and dark skin, y’all… There is nuance.” (70:31)

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Fun Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:08 — Bob accuses Monét of gaslighting about the shirtless promise
• 05:38 — Kangaroos: Are they really desert animals? (Bob vs. Monét)
• 07:37 — Website link drama and the BAM Family Reunion ticket scandal
• 10:16 — Remembering why they agreed to do a shirtless episode
• 14:15 — Monét calls Apple Watches corny
• 32:48 — Deep dive into “cringe culture” and creativity
• 37:04 — Monét’s view on failure and artistic development
• 54:14 — Bob’s philosophy: “I love to try hard…”
• 61:56 — Monét’s Drag Race ballroom Magic Flute opera pitch
• 68:01 — Colorism & representation discussion

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Episode Tone & Energy

As always, Bob and Monét bring shady, quick-witted energy, oscillating between playful jabs, pop-culture takes, personal anecdotes, and moments of genuine insight. Their unfiltered style is maintained, peppered with in-jokes, references to the extended Sibling Rivalry family (including Jacob and “the polycule”), and switches between dead-serious and playful irreverence at a moment’s notice.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is classic Sibling Rivalry: chaotic, hilarious, sometimes poignant. Whether debating the semantics of “cringe,” sharing stories of their own ambitions (and perceived embarrassments), or unpacking serious conversations about colorism, Bob, Monét, and Jacob deliver laughter, messy honesty, and a few take-home lessons about being your authentic, creative self. If you’re looking for an episode that covers everything from opera to meme etiquette to the hardships of website management (and enough drag queen banter for days), this one’s for you.

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Listen for: fierce debates, surprising vulnerability, and the full range of what it means to be both cringe and cool—sometimes in the same breath.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Oh, bonanza.

[B]

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[A]

And I'm Monet's James and this is simply rivalry.

[B]

On this week's episode, Monet becomes a warrior princess.

[A]

We finally do our shirtless episode. Is that cringe?

[B]

And we found out what made Monet.

[A]

Say that's one of the only ways to really get better at whatever your art is. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[B]

This is my opinion.

[A]

I wanna say something. Take off your clothes.

[B]

Don't try to get in here with your singing. And try to win them over. Their charm. This morning, Monet tried to gaslight me.

[A]

I did not make.

[B]

Yes, you did. You lied. And then you tried to make me believe that the lie was real. But I rose to the occasion, and you thought I would not. So we sit down to do our podcast, and Monet's not wearing a shirt. And I say, monet, girl, are you gonna get dressed? And Monet goes, this is the shirtless episode. I said, no. She goes, this is the date. I said, today's the date we set for the shirtless episode. She goes, yeah. And I said, that's not true. We said it in July. It never happened. Are you gonna listen to what I'm saying? I'm not gonna communicate with you if you're not gonna listen to what I'm saying. If you're not watching me and talking to me, I'm gonna just let you talk. And then when you're done looking at yourself, I can go.

[A]

Do you want me to. Do you want me to interrupt you while you're talking? I'm listening. You said Monday.

[B]

You're not listening. You're over here. So Monet goes, oh, no. This was the day that we're going to do our. We're going to do the. The shirtless episode. I said, that's not true. It's supposed to be in July. And then she goes, well, me and Jacob spoke, and that was. We moved into August. And I said, jacob, is that true? Jacob said, that's not true. So you lied and you gaslit.

[A]

To be honest, I think Jacob wanted to answer truthfully, but you scared him, so he answered in a way that he felt would be pleasing to you.

[B]

Jacob, is that true?

[C]

You know, the real tea is that I wasn't sure if you wanted or were comfortable doing a shirtless episode, so. And I was trying to debate whether I should decide with Monat for the bit, because it would have been funny, but I decided that in that moment, you being comfortable and being able to choose whether or not you took or put on your shirt trumped that in that moment. So that's what. That's what my hesitation was.

[B]

And Monet's speaking on your behalf, and. And Monet was lying and gaslighting, which, by the way, we all. We all. Everyone who listens to this podcast, we all know that. That is also. By the way, I spoke to a biologist the other day.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because kangaroos are desert animals.

[A]

Because what?

[B]

Kangaroos are desert animals.

[C]

What biologist do you.

[A]

Biologist.

[B]

Australian biologists. I need to find her name.

[A]

Okay. Just because you are biologist. Like, do they. Specifically.

[B]

Just because you're an Australian biologist. Who are you? Who are you? That's crazy. You're starting your synthesis office. Just because you're.

[A]

Are they unaccredited? Like, how do we know. I can say that I'm. Are you. I can say that I am an American scientist. Is that true?

[B]

But you're not a scientist.

[A]

And how do we know that person's a biologist? I want to see a degree. I want to see devry. Something to validate their experience and their knowledge and their education.

[B]

All I'm saying is an Australian biologist told me that kangaroos are desert animals. Specifically the red kangaroo, which is the most famous kangaroo of all. The gray kangaroo is the most pop. Is the most populous kangaroo. But when most people envision a kangaroo, they're envisioning the red kangaroo, which is indeed a desert animal.

[A]

Well, that's very interesting, because I spoke to an Australian zoologist about two weeks ago, and they said that you're lying. Oh, how am I lying when you tell me.

[B]

Well, I know you're lying. What we've already established on this. On this podcast, this episode specifically, you start off with lies. Like you. Before we even started podcasting, you lied. And then once the podcast got kicked off, you. You kicked in with another lie. So we already established that you lie.

[A]

I spoke to another thing you lied about that.

[B]

I'm so excited to. How do I screen record? You really do a screen recording of your own.

[C]

They fixed it. They fixed it.

[B]

When?

[C]

Like yesterday.

[B]

Did you screen record the other day?

[C]

I did screen record. I do have the other screen record.

[A]

What?

[B]

So we. As you. There's a thing on this podcast where Monae, I'll be like, hey, guys, go to seethedragoen.com because me and my team keep my website up to date. And Monet always goes, no, do mine. Do mine.

[A]

I think these are what's up to date as well.

[B]

And when we already showed you guys the screen grabs where Monet's website wasn't up to date, and then they updated it before the episode came out. Cause as you all know, me and Monet film have the some. Our next episode might be filmed back in 2013, and y' all will be mad about it. But then Jacob randomly decided to Go to the. Go to the fucking Monet's website and click on the link to get a ticket to our show supervisor. Bitch. The link's not right. It's a link to Market Days. Your link on the website as of right now. As of 10:25.

[C]

No, no. That's what I say. They fixed it. It's been fixed. But it was.

[B]

No, it's not. I'm clicking it right now. It's Market days. Your link on your website that's supposed to be tickets to the BAM reunion is a link to your Market Day show.

[A]

Well, you know that probably is an accident that has happened. You know we are not. We. We do not strive for perfection here at Monet llc. Sometimes we make mistakes. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

[B]

Told them that it was active. And what is. What does this say, Jacob?

[A]

The tickets.

[B]

Tickets for the BAM Union event have been linked to Mon's website for weeks. I was looking at the tickets on her site three weeks ago.

[A]

Thank you Daniel Roberts. 9056.

[B]

Well, Dan Roberts is one of your monetization line. I'm looking at the website money. Go to your website right now, this second. It is a link to Market Days.

[A]

I can't believe Jacob is actually doing a real investigative research and actually validated Mike's principles. Are just echoing what the fuck you're saying. I am shy. I am one of a fallout that.

[B]

All I said that you have a monation stand whole line who aligned in your steady. So it. So what this means is anyone who is a mona there probably won't be anymonation at the event because they're all headed to market days. All the monation. They, they. They went to market days cause they thought. They thought they were coming to family reunion. And this is you. This is this. This is what you get for lying and acting like you had the link up when you know you didn't have the fucking link up.

[A]

We didn't have the hiccup with the link. Now what? There was an accident in the ring load and the link loaded. But the link was up.

[B]

The link was not up. We have the proofuses.

[A]

Not the proofuses.

[B]

We have the proofuses. And then when the link clicked. The fact that it's market days is sending me to the moon.

[A]

It's not market days. It's Bipoc Pride.

[B]

I'm clicking it right now and it takes me to market days. Market days. VIP tickets. Additional tickets released for Sunday. Click here. Close this.

[A]

Look the 17th. Clicking it.

[B]

Your link is A whole mess. Because I'm. I'm clicking this.

[A]

I think there's something wrong with New.

[B]

York with The family union. $3 bill. Event info. Click. Well, now it's saying this the only thing I know what it ain't. It a. It ain't the family reunion. It's too late now. By the time this episode comes out, it'll be 2027, and the. The family reunion will have happened. And it was. I'm just gonna go ahead and say out loud right now, it was so fun. I had so much fun at the family reunion. I'm speaking in the future.

[A]

Honestly, I have a lot of fun. Wait, why do we agree to do a shirtless episode again? I forget.

[B]

I don't know. Why do we agree to have a shit.

[A]

We do.

[C]

It was. I believe it was during the one about fitness.

[A]

Oh, yes. All right, Jacob. Wow. Jacob is actually. Jacob's working today. Thank you, Jacob.

[B]

Actually, don't. Don't disrespect Jacob.

[A]

Jacob's working today, honey.

[B]

Who is the second hardest working person on this podcast and who's the first?

[A]

Me. You.

[B]

Me.

[A]

Hey, you know what you are ready for? You are a very funny comedian. Comedian. You are hilarious. You are hilarious, and I have to.

[B]

Work hard to be that hilarious. You're the. You're the hardest worker.

[A]

Oh, my God. I just realized. You just. You done brought this fucking mic back. Jesus Christ. I hate it.

[B]

Are you the hardest worker?

[A]

I am. I am one of the hardest workers on this podcast for sure.

[B]

Not one Monet. There's only three of us on the podcast.

[A]

Oh, oh, so only three people that work on this podcast.

[B]

No, on the podcast on. Use these instead of these and. And, and. And this. Use these. There are only three people on this podcast.

[A]

No, you and I are the only ones on this podcast. Do you. On the podcast?

[B]

Jacob is on every episode of the podcast. Jacob is literally on every episode. I mean, post a certain date for the past four years, Jacob has literally been on every episode of the podcast.

[A]

No, they started episode. Jacob doesn't talk. No, I want to say every episode. Jacob. I would say more times than not, he is, but he's not on every episode.

[B]

But there are. There are three people who have been on, who have been consistent on the podcast is me, you, and Jacob. Obviously, you and I are the face of the podcast. It is our podcast. But Jacob. Jacob is low key. The unofficial third sibling. The babies of siblings. If I'm the. If I'm the eldest, you're the middle child. Middle child.

[A]

Jacob's your boyfriend? He's not one of the siblings. That's weird.

[B]

I'm from Alabama. Don't tell me what's weird for me. Don't tell me what's weird for me, baby. I kissed my cousin when I was a kid. That's true.

[A]

Did you really?

[B]

Yeah, of course I kissed my cousin. We live in Mississippi.

[C]

Have you thought about keeping a diary?

[B]

What'd you say? Jacob? What?

[C]

Have you thought about keeping a diary?

[A]

I don't get it.

[B]

This was your journal is what Dick was saying. I mean, I already talked about. I already talked about him in my dad monk comedy special, but yeah, I kissed my cousin when I was a kid.

[A]

I don't remember that bit. Were they not paying attention?

[B]

Probably. That scans.

[A]

First of all, I consume more of your content than you do. Bitch.

[B]

You consume.

[A]

We all know you consume.

[B]

Continue.

[A]

So now. So now we making fat jokes.

[B]

I. Excuse. I didn't say anything about food.

[A]

So what this. So what's. What am I consuming? Energy.

[B]

Content. We're talking the same thing. Content. What. What are you on, bro?

[A]

You have been brewing a lot lately, and it honestly makes me uncomfortable. I do not like it. I do not like it. You are broing a lot. You are heavy on the bro lately. I do not like it.

[B]

I don't know what's going on. I'm shifting from girls to bro. You know what else I'm saying a lot? Boy. Like when I would say girl, now I say boy. And Jacob called me out a couple months ago. Cause I was like, girl. I say girl a lot. But then one day, now if someone does something that like, they're trying to be cute or funny or whatever, I go boy. And I don't know when I switch from girl to boy. And to be clear, for those of you listening, when I say girl and when I say boy, they're not gender terms. It's G U R L and it's B O I. But yeah, I've been saying. I've been saying boy a lot. I don't know where. I don't know. I do not know what's happening, why I'm doing that, but it is indeed happening.

[A]

So life updates for me. I'm in my streamer era lately. I'm obsessed with streaming. I literally cannot stop doing it. I love streaming more than I like to breathe, maybe more than I like to eat also. And it's just such a fun time.

[B]

And you don't answer the phone because.

[A]

I normally put my phone on do not disturb. I want to focus on the stream.

[B]

Do you wear an apple watch?

[A]

No. I think they're corny.

[B]

What's corny about a watch?

[A]

I just don't. I just don't. Everyone just had this little black square on their thing. I just hate it. If they made an apple watch that didn't look. That looked differently, I would be into it. I just don't like having a little black square on my wrist.

[B]

Can this episode be about corny and cringe? Because I. This professor. I don't know their professor. I didn't see their credentials. I just. They said it on TikTok. That's what they know.

[A]

Well, we all know Bob believes everything he fucking sees on TikTok. Everything. Bob, you consume everything.

[B]

I have discernment.

[A]

And so. But you can't discern that this nigga who did not. He's not even from Australia, is not on Australian biology.

[B]

He just believes that he's a woman. So you don't think. You do not know.

[A]

You're assuming. You are assuming.

[B]

You don't think women can be scientists. Jacob's mom is a scientist. Jacob's sister is a scientist.

[A]

Jacob's dad is a Scient.

[B]

We're talking about women. I'm talking about women in stem. Jacob's family is dedicated to women in stem. And you're sitting here acting like women can't be in stem. Do you want to apologize to Rose Ritz right now?

[A]

Oh, my God. Rose is so sweet. She calls, she listens.

[B]

Rose is listening. I talk about her right now.

[A]

She texted me the other day.

[B]

About what?

[A]

It was a very sweet message.

[B]

Let me stay behind in New York City to go see Jinx.

[A]

Oh, I'm going to see her on my.

[B]

On. Oh, my God.

[A]

I'm going on Monday.

[B]

Oh, same work. Me, you. The Ritz is. And the. And. And 2, 3/4 of the polycule will be there. One other Ritz. I don't think Dean's coming. What's so funny?

[A]

I just.

[B]

What's so funny?

[A]

This is the message from Rose Ritz. Hi from Mama Rose. I saw you be in Philly in October and went to your site to get the dates and sent to my friends.

[B]

Please read the whole thing. We deserve this. Read the whole thing from beginning to end.

[A]

Hi from Mama Rose. I saw you being Philly in October. I went to your side to get deets to send to my friends. FYI noticed the top three event links are messed up. All three go to the same other math events. I checked again and it was just the first link having the Problem. It was all three just five minutes ago. And I said, oh my God, thank you so much. Thanks for the heads up, Rose. I'll give Patty on it right away.

[B]

Who is the webmaster? I don't think I love Patrick. He has so many strengths. I don't think the link part of the website is one of the strengths is that outline to say so we're.

[A]

Trying to do this. If anyone goes to my website, it's this fancy like cloud moving thing and ever since we switched to this new format, something about the way the links line up, it just, it's like, it like corrupts. I don't know what that should be doing whenever.

[B]

We don't want clouds, we want tickets. We don't, we don't care about these clouds, girl. We don't give a fuck about you. We want to see you live. So I'm just going to go ahead and strongly, my recommendation is that you take the clouds down, put up the links properly when you go to my page. We ain't trying to, girl, I'm not running a website company. You go, you go to see me, it is going to just be where I am. It's just they're all listed in a row. You click the link. We don't need no moving clouds. We need tickets and you need to sell them.

[A]

I know. I think this cloud thing is fucking us up, to be honest. Ooh, Lord.

[B]

That is the. That is the. I am sent. We need to take a break.

[A]

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[B]

All right, we're back.

[C]

Do you have anything to say about Monet's background?

[B]

Why did you.

[A]

I didn't do it.

[B]

Patrick is banned from the studio.

[A]

Patrick did not do it.

[B]

Taylor.

[A]

Taylor did not do it.

[B]

Then who was it? If you say the name, you, Patrick or Taylor didn't do. I know Andy didn't. Big ass can't sneak nowhere.

[A]

Andy did not do it.

[B]

Then who did it? You're lying.

[A]

I swear on my life.

[B]

It wasn't Patrick. It wasn't Taylor. It wasn't you.

[A]

No, it wasn't Andy.

[B]

Jacob. Jacob. Jacob.

[A]

If it be your own people.

[B]

Jacob, you're cooked. You're cooked. His whole bed gonna be out of his room. Start hiding your little contact lenses. That is insane. Jacob. You're done, y'. All. We have a full on civil war going on at civil rivalry. It is a three way world war.

[C]

What in the Mortal Kombat is this?

[B]

Yeah, what are. What is this? A boomerang?

[A]

So in case no one knows.

[B]

I don't even want to say. You're not listening to what I'm saying when I'm talking. You're just doing other stuff.

[A]

I'm listening. You said it's a.

[B]

You're literally holding Monat. This was the dream. This was the dream I had. This is the dream, Bob.

[A]

There's literally ocular auditorial evidence. We always do this podcast and I say something and people comment. Damn, it's Bobby for listening.

[B]

Monet gets dystopian when I listen, I'm doing this, but you're literally like, oh.

[A]

My God, why is it so close to you? What the fuck is wrong with you at this game, y'? All. I should show about this game.

[B]

No, this is but hey, this is. Okay. My personality has been divided into. I want to say fourths. 2. Half of my personality is. Is. Is purse for studios.

[A]

Uh huh.

[B]

Half of my personality is like comedy drag. I mean. I mean a quarter. And the last quarter is combio.

[A]

No, no, your personality's in fifths. Two. Two fifths are the studio. One is combio, one is drag, and the other one is polyamory. You will not sound like.

[B]

I don't feel like I am the one who talks about polyamory. I talk about my. I talk about the firm. I don't know about the firm, but I'm not like. I'm not like. I'm not like a fucking polyamory rights advocate.

[A]

Not that, but I mean, the firm is polyamorous. So you often talk about the firm.

[B]

What you're saying is. So is a fifth year. Is your fifth year personality being monogamy or whatever the fuck you and Andy doing?

[A]

No, because I don't talk about monogamy.

[B]

You talk about it. You talk about Andy. I don't.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

You don't talk about Andy. I just.

[A]

About Andy. But I don't talk about monogamy or being open all the time.

[B]

I'm talking about us as a group. And I'm not here talking about the ethics of polyamory. I'm just acknowledging there are several of us.

[A]

You would say you. You literally say you. You say the words polycule more than anyone I know.

[B]

Then how else would I describe the firm? Just say Jacob. Just say Tao.

[A]

Just say Mikey.

[B]

You don't have to say we are. I'm talking about us as a group. So when you say me and my part, I'm talking about us as a group. So I'm talking about the. The firm. This is what we, as the firm, are moving.

[A]

Also the other day Vaky went to my house and Bob was like, this is so Bob. I was like, mone, you know, you know, Tao's moving to LA soon. I was like, oh, I love that. Love Ta Ta Ta was really fun. You're like, well, you know, when you start inviting. When you start inviting one of us, you're inviting four people to your house. And I was like, what? He's like, yes. When you invite one, you now you're inviting four. And you need to.

[B]

You. This is. This is verbatim. That's what I said.

[A]

Hey, you need to make accommodations for that.

[B]

I was like, I did not say. That's not what I said. What I said was, you should know that you're inviting four people. And if you're comfortable with that, just so you know, I didn't say you started making accommodations. I said you are inviting four people. So just so you know, I did not say. I didn't say you need to make accommodations for us. Now you're. Now you're making up your own bits and bobbles. So let me talk about what your personality is. Okay, let's talk about. First of all, I would say a solid. I'm gonna be kind. A fifth of your personality is everything I've given you. The things you've taken from me, the career, the jokes that you've stolen out of my mouth and shoved into yours. That's what I mean by consume. That's a fifth. I'm gonna give you a. A fifth. I'm gonna give you a fifth. Is opera.

[A]

This is really not. I do not talk about opera.

[B]

Like, this is my opinion. So we're at two fifths. A fifth. I'm gonna say the next two fifths are performance. Like in general. No. Okay, opera's down. Performance is two fifths of your personality.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

Performance, like comedy, drag, singing, music, being on stage is two fifths of your personality. Okay, lying is an entire fifth. Lying is easily an entire fifth year personality. And then I'm gonna say, Colleen, you have two more.

[A]

I know, I know, I know I have one.

[B]

I said two fists. I'm holding my fingers up to make it easier for me. Colleen used to be a 50 year personality, but now she's a neglected child. And halftime, I don't even know if she still fudgeing lives there.

[A]

Colleen, when I come to the house, she's very happy. She avoids you. Colleen is not enjoying here. When everyone else comes, Colleen is out playing around. When you come to the house, Colleen's like, I can't fuck with this. And she goes upstairs to her room.

[B]

Good. And the last with your personality is not. Is not paying attention to me when I'm talking.

[A]

So you just gave six fifths. So now we're over the.

[B]

No, that. Monet, you're not doing the math.

[A]

You said 1/5.

[B]

2/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5, 1/5.

[A]

You said the things you've given me. Performance, lying. And then you said something else here.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's fucking five fifths, dweeb.

[A]

Call me a dunam. He's such a bully.

[B]

Dweeb is such an unoffensive name. What are you. What is it? Monet.

[A]

In case people don't know this is a part of my personality. One of the parts of my personality.

[B]

What percentage? What fraction this.

[A]

I would say this used to be this. About probably an eighth of my personality. A lot of people don't know this about me. I am born and raised and obsessed with the television show Warrior Princess. I've seen every episode. I've rewatched a series about seven times now. I love Xena, Warrior Princess and. Is that Lucy Lawless?

[B]

No, I'm just doing what you did. Go ahead.

[A]

Why you have this white lady shit?

[B]

Okay. This white lady shit is a sponsor on our podcast. These are Lola blankets. Do you want to apologize for Lola? You just have this black and white picture. This white family. You have. You have the exact same. That Lola blanket in your. The Lola blanket that you set on your couch and held up and called comfortable and smooth and soft. This was in there. You have the exact same picture.

[A]

It's in the garbage. It's in the garbage.

[B]

Do you want to say. Do you have anything you want to say to Lola and her blankets?

[A]

I love Lola blankets. I'm the devil.

[C]

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[B]

Xena, Warrior Princess.

[A]

Xena, Warrior Princess. So in the series, Xena has a shock. Have you ever watched Xena?

[B]

I watched. Is that the one with that. That Grace Jones is on? No, she's on Conan the Barbarian. Never mind.

[A]

Yeah. No, and she has this thing called a chakram. And the chakram is her device where she takes it and she sends it. It ricochets, and it boom, boom, boom. Enemies. And around the thing, it comes back like a boomerang. So I found this exact replica online.

[B]

And is it metal? Bitch?

[A]

This shit is heavy as metal. And it's. And it's sharp. They warned me it was sharp. I was like, it can't be that sharp. So that. Ok, Jacob, first of all, that is the new chakram. That's the yin and yang chakram. I have the. The original chakram.

[B]

Honey, you weren't split in half like that.

[A]

No, the yin and yang one splits in half. This does not. And then.

[B]

So you're not as skilled as Zena.

[A]

So I want to get the yin and yang one from these people. However, the yin and yang one that they sell it, you see how it separates? You either buy it when it's separate, or you can buy one that's whole. But they don't make one that can be separate and go and come back together.

[B]

You got to be the change you want to see in the world. Get into welding.

[A]

This is so sharp. I've cut my finger on it twice already.

[B]

Well, you keep playing with it. It's a weapon.

[A]

I know, but it's so handy.

[B]

So how is she supposed to throw this and hold it?

[A]

How?

[B]

Well, without cutting herself, there should be a chunk that is just handle.

[A]

No, but. No, because that takes away from the whole thing being a dangerous item.

[B]

I mean, they should have did it with her. I mean, if your marksmanship. I don't know if you call that. If your aim is good enough, you should be able to throw it and make sure the handle never hits them. But, like, realistically speaking, she's cutting her hand. She could cut her hand throwing it.

[A]

She could. But I'm holding right now. I haven't cut my hand. To be fair. When I did cut my hand, I was like, oh, how sharp is it? And I was like. I was like, ow.

[B]

Can you cut some paper for us real quick? Yesterday we had this meeting, and Monet, it was so funny to me during the meeting, Monet had this little notepad.

[A]

Because when I'm in meetings, I need to type.

[B]

You don't type it up. Monet was like, a little yellow. No problem. I was like, What? In the 1994. She was like.

[A]

Because I need to take notes in real time. So it doesn't exactly forget. Look. Oh, maybe this side isn't gonna be fair.

[B]

Something can be sharp enough without cutting paper. Yeah, show it. Yeah, zoom in on everyone's. Everyone zoom in on that.

[A]

I mean, it's just literally a bill from someone who.

[B]

Building with your home address on it.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Jay, censor that. Or you know what? Just cut that chunk out, y'. All. We just cut out a chunk out.

[B]

We don't want to cut it out the way that I. The amount of times I have saved you from doxxing yourself, from putting all your money. The. The things I've done to prot. To protect you, to. To keep your safety at the forefront of my mind. I should work in fucking cybersecurity at this point.

[A]

So I have a question. Do you just go throughout the day thinking what you've done for people? How about you let people tell you? How about tell you what they've done? We don't need you to tell us.

[B]

Then you know what? That's a good idea. Tell me. No, you just told me to let people tell me.

[A]

Tell me. Yeah, if I want to.

[B]

There's.

[A]

But there's. I can't think of anything you've done for me that I want to celebrate or talk about currently.

[B]

You can't think of one thing that I've done for you that you want to talk about or celebrate currently. This looks crazy.

[A]

What?

[B]

That face you were just making was a concerning face. I did not like it. It did not make me feel good ins.

[A]

Wait, so we're gonna go see Jinx Doom Mary Todd together? I'm pretty excited about that. I didn't know you were going.

[B]

Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna really. I mean, I've seen the show once already.

[A]

I've never seen the show. I have no idea. I mean, I know it's about Abra Lincoln's wife, but that's all I know. I didn't know anything about Akahan Lincoln.

[B]

And the girls who get it get their references around. I. What the fuck do you wanna talk about Mumble around there Akahan Lincoln. But the people who know their references from will already know Akahan Lincoln.

[A]

So it's not like the way RuPaul would say his name.

[B]

Aka Hand Lincoln. I want to talk about what is cringe, what is corny. I'm so. I'm so interested because I feel like Jacob, this, this. Okay, this clip is too long to put in the podcast. Maybe Jay can like chop it up and find a way to put it in there. But this professor was talking about cringy or what is cringe and how it is holding our society back, specifically in terms of creativity. Because this person is a creative.

[A]

And with you and with young kids, right. And they don't want to try things out.

[B]

You saw that TikTok.

[A]

I don't know if the same thing. I think this conversation is going on with different people, but basically young people don't want to be cringed.

[B]

They feel like people's fear of being cringy is actually stopping them from being creative and being and working and having fun and doing things and living in life is leading to Aura Farming. Do you know about Aura Farming?

[A]

No.

[B]

So Aura farming is. This guy got really famous, this high school kid. And I'm not going to share it because he's a high school and I don't want to. I'm not interested in doing that with minors. But they were playing tug of war at school. He was at the very back of the tug. Now, I was a large child. I was always the last tug in tug of war. I was the final boss. If you could drag my big ass over this. When I was. I was. I know I said I was 95 pounds. In fact, I'll tell you how much weight, how much I weighed in kindergarten a second. But you. I already said it. I'll be back.

[A]

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[B]

Bitch. I was 95 pounds in kindergarten. So I was the final boss of Tug of War. Okay, how do you know this?

[A]

I know how much weighed all these points.

[B]

On average, kindergarten is 45 pounds. I was more than double.

[A]

I don't know what I was. Go ahead.

[B]

Anyway, he's holding the end of the rope in one hand, but not tugging. And once it becomes clear that his team is losing, he like, he. I mean, I'm telling you, he's holding it like this and then he's. And then he. Once it's clear that Tim's losing, he. He drops the rope on the ground. He places it down on the ground and then he just kind of like does this and like walks away. And everyone's like, this is where trying to not be cringe has circled back to becoming cringe. I don't get it.

[A]

Why is it cringe?

[B]

It looked like he didn't want the embarrassment of losing, so he just not. He's just not trying. He wasn't giving any effort whatsoever into this. In engaging in tug of war, which is the school activity, which I'm assuming is for your grade.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

So instead he just doesn't do it. He makes it clear to everyone in the school watching that he's not emotionally invested in this game of tug of war. It seems. Obviously I don't know this guy, but what the Internet is saying is it seems like he's too embarrassed to lose or to be pulled down to the ground or to be seen trying. So therefore he just didn't try at all. He just made. He put in a concerted effort to just not try. Does that make sense what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this seems to be spilling over into other parts of society where people don't want to try for fear of being perceived as cringy. And then the question is, does that become cringe in and of itself?

[A]

Well, I think a little bit of this has always kind of existed. I think it does seem to be exacerbated currently. But I think, I think, I think we're seeing a lot in like regular people, I think artists, a lot of artists. You, myself, or you're a painter or a singer or whatever it is we've part of our art and becoming good at your art is a lot of it does involve failing and trying and not succeeding. So I think as an artist, I have seen people fail a lot. I failed a lot. So that doesn't feel cringy or. Because that's the only. That's, in my opinion, that's one of the only ways to really get better at whatever your art is. But in regular people, I guess they're. We're seeing a lot more of them. But I've never, I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, it's spilling over into non art. I mean, I'm not, I don't, I don't want any tug of war artists to come for me.

[A]

Oh, God. The art of, you know, the art of the tug.

[B]

The art of archery. I don't want to. You know what I mean? But Zen art of archery. But like, so what this boils back to is like you, you specifically chose the word corny to describe the apple. Watch. I want to know, like, what about it is like, corny? Because I guess it would have run rang as less of an alarm if you're, oh, I think it's ugly. I don't like it. It's not comfortable, it costs too much money. It's not worth what they're asking you to pay for it. But you specifically chose the word corny. And I'm wondering what led to that.

[A]

Choice because I think It's a technology thing. I think it's corny when you're at a thing and everyone is so dialed into their watch. Everyone is like, you can't. We already can't fucking put these down. Now you can exist without this too. So you have this in your hand. You have this on your wrist. And I think it's corny how people just have to exist with these things. I mean, again, I. I'm not.

[B]

What is corny to you? Can we define what corny means to you?

[A]

I mean, I don't. Maybe I'm not using it into, like. I, I mean, I use. I don't use. I use corny to do in. In different ways. I use as corny as something that's being whack or something that's being like. Or something I deem as being silly or goofy that I'm not interested in. But I use. I. I use corny in a myriad of ways. And in this. And in this specific and in this time, I'm. Is. I think it's corny that people are just so tapped into the device and you. And you can't exist.

[B]

But. So I. I want to be clear. What's corny about this is the. The need.

[A]

Yeah. Or dire necessity to have to be. To be that people are attached to this watch thing. That people are. Can about it.

[B]

And you're using the word corny to convey that feeling.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Got it. Okay. When I think of something that's corny, I think of like. I mean, I know obviously it was this. This is meant to be corny, but shucked. If you see shocks on Broadway, it's corny. Like shucked is a bunch of really corny jokes. It's a bunch. It's. It's really.

[A]

You mean like. Like dad jokes? Like, really, like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. They're. They're. The jokes are intentionally quite cringe. The. The play is about corn. It is called shucked. Like, it's. It is obviously corny. They. They acknowledge several times throughout the play that it is corny. I think about. I've been sending Jaco obsessed with this tiktoker right now. Who does theater cringe content.

[A]

And what does that look like?

[B]

Oh, my God. Have you seen them, Jacob? I sent them this morning. So you probably haven't seen him yet.

[C]

No, no, I'm familiar with his work. I saw that one before, actually, but yes.

[B]

So he does this when you guys.

[A]

Send each other means of online. If you've seen it before, do you say to run? Oh, I've seen this. Or you just, like, you just engage and laugh anyway. And just like, it's, it's. It's not worth it for me to say, I. I saw it already.

[B]

When we show them in person, we will say, I've seen this if it's just through the DMs. Oftentimes we don't even acknowledge that we've seen them, even through a like. Unless we're. I'll do a like to be like, I have. I'm. I have watched this since you sent it to me. But occasionally, if some. If I will let Jacob know through DMs that I found it, that I've already seen it if I want him to. Not like, I've already seen the business. Like, oh, yeah, I'm aware of this and I really like it. So usually if I'm like, oh, I've seen that. It's be. That's. That's the voice I'm trying to convey through text. Because I'm like, oh, I saw this and I really, really like this thing. Got it. How about you?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'll say. I'll say like, lol, I've seen this.

[B]

And are you conveying like, I'm seeing this and I think it's funny?

[A]

Or I'll say that. I'll say like, I've seen this. This was hilarious. I've seen it. Oh, I hate that. Ew. That's. That's, you know, something. You know what I mean? Whatever the video is, if it's about someone being decapitated, I don't know.

[C]

I have a question.

[B]

I have.

[C]

This happens. A couple people I have send me Tick Tock and Instagram comments content, and it's not good. And like, is it acceptable to be like, this is not for me.

[B]

I think that a. Hmm. I would just double tap it. And my double tap is just acknowledgement that I've seen what you sent. It is not saying I think it is funny. It is not saying I think this food looks good. It's not saying I think these clothes look good. My double tap in the DMs is just, I acknowledge that I've seen this thing.

[A]

But do you. But Jacob, you wanted to stop sending it. Is that why?

[C]

I mean, a little bit. But also just to be like, like, this is like, you don't need to.

[B]

Be a podcast that stood for something. Say their name. To quote Jacob, this podcast used to stand for something. Say their fucking name.

[C]

I'm not gonna say their names.

[B]

Oh, wow, here we go.

[A]

There go the Third sibling.

[B]

I know. And I advocate if you're the third sibling, you don't even stand on. It's not clocking to you that you're standing on. If someone sends me memes I don't like, I just, I just. What I would do is I will stop double tapping them. That is true. I will stop double tap them. I will not acknowledge them. And then eventually I will. Whenever I see a new one for that person, I just won't even open it because I'm like, I know, I know it's gonna be some lame shit. Like I already know. I already know that our, our sense of humors do not align well.

[A]

Also, I have to think where people send you a lot. And so yes, they are funny, but they send so many. I have a friend now. I'm not. This is no exaggeration.

[B]

Just say Taylor. Just say Taylor.

[A]

No, Taylor used to send it to me, but Taylor stopped sending it to me. I don't know why. Taylor soft said he means to me. I guess he doesn't like me anymore. But I have a double.

[B]

Sam, you weren't acknowledging I have a.

[A]

Friend that would send me. This is no exaggeration. Upwards. Upwards of seven a day.

[C]

Do you want to say their name?

[B]

Used to stand for something. Monet. Are you going to say their names or not?

[A]

No, I'm not going to say that name.

[C]

How about we all say their names on the count of three?

[B]

I don't have anything to say. Give me something to say.

[A]

You don't have nobody to be sending you mad memes today and you know you're not interested. Nobody. Everybody has a friend that does mad mem and you know, it's Taylor.

[B]

No, Taylor. Taylor. Taylor sends me the most memes and I like them.

[A]

You like every. You. You watch and you like all of them.

[B]

I don't like every one of them, but Taylor sends me the most memes. I watch every one of them. I. They, they be backlog. Taylor will be in the next room and I'd be like, girl, you could have walked over and showed me this. This is crazy. But Taylor sends me the most memes and I watch everyone and I like most of them. I don't like them all, but I like most of them.

[A]

Oh, so they're not memes, they're TikTok videos. Stop using the wrong terminology. It's not a meme, It's a TikTok video.

[B]

Do you know what a meme is?

[A]

A meme is a memorable moment.

[B]

Yeah. So they're. You don't know. First of all, you don't know what's in our DMs. Let's be clear.

[A]

I'm sure I don't.

[B]

Let me be clear. So you don't know. You don't know if we're sending dissertations. You don't know if. You don't know if we're sending. You don't know if we're sending books. You don't know what we're sending. So why don't you worry about you and your friend who sends you 719 memes a day that you can't stand, who you can't communicate with, and you're afraid to say their name. Worry about what's going on in your DMs right now because we over. We're over here sending quality. Hilarious.

[A]

Because the you be sending me is not. It's not quality, and it's not hilarious.

[B]

I don't. What do I send you? I've sent you, like, one video in the past, like, two years. I seen that video of that. Of that little girl, that little kid. What that little kid do. That was so funny. What do I see? What if I sent you. Where's my other phone? It's in the back, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Wait, I sent those. Wait, what is it on Instagram or. TikTok?

[A]

TikTok. What's that on TikTok?

[B]

I see those on TikTok. Wait, there's a. Wait, hold on. What's going on? That doesn't sound right. Hold on.

[A]

That doesn't sound right.

[B]

Monet. X change dms. I sent you. Wait. Singing my single. You laughed at that, and then I tagged you. Monet, these are videos you're tagged in.

[A]

No, not. No. Like, one of them is this.

[B]

I'm not two of them. You're tagged in that one. You're tagged in that one I sent you. Why did I send you this?

[A]

I'm not tagged in this.

[B]

Please. Oh, because I want to watch a movie with you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

This is the video we're tagged in.

[A]

That's one.

[B]

That.

[A]

Two videos were tagged in.

[B]

That's. We're up to three. What is this one? You're about to tell me that this is not funny. You're about to tell me that the video. There are.

[A]

There are 322. I don't know this, but I haven't watched all of them.

[B]

Wait, Jacob, I need you to chime in on this one. No, everyone's chiming in. I'm putting it in the media chat. Jay, this one's going on Screen. This is so funny. You are never going to convince me this one isn't great because this one is a banger. An absolute banger.

[A]

Sound like Alyssa Edwards a banger.

[B]

Girl. This one is a banger. Jacob, watch that one and chime in.

[A]

It's not uploading the media chat yet.

[B]

Jay, can you put it in here? I want everyone to chime in.

[A]

Oh, I do. I remember this trend. It was very funny.

[B]

Oh, I send quality, Mama. Quality. What the fuck is that?

[A]

Just.

[B]

What did I just send y' all Ignore that. I send quality content. But then I think the other ones, some of them are tags, some of them are dances I want to do with you. They're not all. Jesus Christ. I send you so much stuff. Jesus.

[A]

Do you remember? Do you remember that, friend? I didn't want to say.

[B]

It's not. I don't send seven a day. You're. You're. Now. You lying. You lying and never been so thin. Last one I sent you was June 5th. Monet, it is August. Actually, no, the last one I sent you was May 20th. May 20th.

[A]

And I was gone for all of June, so you didn't send them in June.

[B]

The one before that was may 10th. The one before that was April 9th. The one before that was april 5th. The one before that was march 26th. The one before that was the 25th. I said, okay, 25th. I went crazy. Okay, I did. Has sent two back to back. And then on 24th, I also sent two back to back. And then. Then, yeah, but there's. I'm not the seven a day girl. You never have been, never will be.

[A]

Ask me a question, and I'm answering the question.

[B]

It wasn't me. I didn't send seven a day. I've never said seven. The ones I've said was two in a day. So answer the real question. Who is the friend? We'll bleep it. You know we'll bleep it.

[A]

No, I don't say it.

[B]

You don't trust Jay to bleep it?

[A]

No.

[B]

That's crazy. Now, some stuff has slipped through the cracks before, though, in the past. In the.

[A]

Not a very long time in the past. Past, for sure.

[B]

Like back when I used to send.

[A]

You memes and videos.

[B]

So back to cringiness and corniness. So are you concerned with being perceived as corny or. And is corny the same thing as cringy?

[A]

I think corny and cringy are a little different. I think that as a millennial person and being someone in their mid-30s, I think it is. It is inevitable. That's a late. I'm mid-30s. I'm 35. I'm not even 36 yet. I'm not. If I'm 36, I'm mid to late. I am literally smack dab in the middle of my 30s.

[B]

Well, there's no middle when the numbers are even. But continue.

[A]

You actually, if you do months in.

[B]

A year, you're technically on the lower half because the middle, it's 1 through 5, then 6 through 10, but you're technically in the middle on the lower half, actually. So I'll give you a.

[A]

I love. I love saying anyways instead of anyway. And people who, like, are like, sticklers for anyways. It's anyway. I'm gonna keep on saying anyways until the day I die anyways.

[B]

I think it's super valid.

[A]

I think as someone being a 35, I think there's gonna be a lot of things I do and say that are gonna be cringy to gen zers and gen alphas at this point. So I would.

[B]

What about the other millennials? Are you concerned being cringy to other millennials?

[A]

No, because we all be saying the same shit. We all have similar experiences. So we all cringe each other. We all match each other in cringosity.

[B]

Is aging a part of being cringe?

[A]

Yes, because for people who are younger than you lose cultural, Cultural and social cues that are just. Are not part of your world. Part of your world.

[B]

Does it end up becoming cool again? If I heard someone say jive turkey, I find that cool.

[A]

I don't think it's cool. I think it's funny that people use that. I want to think it's cool like you do. You're like, oh, my God, that's so cool.

[B]

I do. I genuinely. I genuinely do.

[A]

What about it is cool?

[B]

I like how it sounds. I think it has a lot of personality to it. It beckons back to an era that I was not there for. I think it makes them seem, for lack of a better term, hip. It tells me that they had their finger on the pulse of what was popular at that time, that they were a part of the taste, if not just consuming it. And that is stuck with them, that they have carried the culture, that they have carried that specific moment in time all the way through. I find that really cool.

[A]

Just because you use something that people used to say, just because you use it currently doesn't mean that you were part of that. It means that you. It means that you're around to know that it was a thing. It was a thing, but doesn't mean that you were part of it when you. When you were. That. In that.

[B]

Well, I just said either part of the taste, making or consuming it. So that's what I mean when I say you're not listening when I'm talking to you, but being a part of me when I say you're not listening or talking to me.

[A]

It happened when you're around. Doesn't make you a part of it.

[B]

I said. I said I'm gonna say it again, but I want you to use this this time. Either part of creating it or consuming it. Either part of creating it or consuming.

[A]

It, meaning they were listening to it or saying it. Can be both. Because either you were just hearing people say it or you were part of enacting it.

[B]

Nothing. No part of consuming. Insinuation. You're part of the creating. Yeah, you can consume food that you ate, but saying that you consumed a burger, there's no insinuation that you took part in making it. No insinuation. None.

[A]

Zero food, though. I think, I think it changes when you start when you're talking about.

[B]

That's why. So you're arguing and you know I'm right. I said either part of creating it or just consuming it, but also a part of consuming popular culture in the moment and perpetuating it. You're part of the proliferation of it. So maybe you're not creating it, but you are creating the moment. So if someone says something that's really popular and then someone else more popular picks it up, that person may not be creating it, but they are part of perpetuating this popular saying, this style, this accent, this music. So. So they are perpetuating, but does not mean they're creating it. But they are perpetuating it, though.

[A]

Well, I think they are.

[B]

And I do find that really cool because that does, in my opinion, that does make you a tastemaker.

[A]

Well, I think, I think, I think there. I think there are some outliers here, right? You have someone like you who is. Who. Who you create and you also consume it and you also perpetuate it. So you're part. You're like. You are all three aspects of that. It's. You're just really good at it. And I think that is something that I admire about you. Is that how you are basically an all. A Swiss army. You can just. You, you. You're involved in so many facets of it. I think it's. Honestly, it's fierce. And I think you don't get your flowers in that. And I want to make space for that. I want to hold space for that right here on this podcast. Thank you.

[B]

I'm gonna let that joke flop. We're gonna move on. So in terms of me, I mean, Jake was muted, but he's not laughing. In terms of what is cringe. And also, you guys can come below. Was that one of the bangers? Was that one of Monet's greatest hits? Let's ask the audience. Audience. Let's ask the audience.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

Because I am part of the perpetuation of popular culture, I'm locked in. I know what that means, because I am locked in. I've always been locked in. And the girls down in the comments know what that means. Let's ask the audience.

[A]

You. You need to be locked up for kissing your cousin.

[B]

I do. I have a fear of being perceived as cringe. The sh. The very short answer is no. No, I don't. I'm not afraid of. People see me as cringe because I am a try hard. I love to try hard. To me, I cringe when I see people intentionally trying not to try hard. That makes me cringe. But obviously, what makes us all go ugh is different for each one of us. But when I see someone who I know wants something but they don't want people to see that they want it really badly. That makes me cringe. Seeing that. But seeing someone who want. Now, there is a tipping scale where you. Something so bad. Never mind.

[A]

All right, you. You. You got to say it.

[B]

No, I can't.

[A]

I mean, I think for me, when I see someone who wants something really bad and they go really hard for it.

[B]

I'm gonna finish this statement, but. Yeah, let me finish a statement without saying any names. When it's someone who wants something really, really bad, there is a. There is a tipping point where you're just like a dog begging girl.

[A]

We know who it is. So obvious who it is. Just say the goddamn name. We know who you're talking about. You literally spent 12 weeks talking about that person. Ginger Minj. Why are you acting like that? You know, you don't.

[B]

Do I? I actually. Okay. Do I find Gingerbread? I don't think I find Gingerman's cringe because she tries really hard. I find Ginger Min cringe because I find that. Because I don't. She seems disingenuous, but I don't think Gingerman's try hardness is what makes her cringe, in my opinion. I think her. Her dis. Her being like, when people try to produce this on TV show, that's what makes them cringey. So I actually don't think that Ginger's try hardery is. Honestly, I genuinely don't think it's bad at all. That's what I was talking about, y'.

[A]

All. We're a little distracted. Jacob needs. I'm putting something in this thing.

[B]

That's what I'm talking about. That's cringy. Oh, she's cringy.

[A]

Oh, this is who you're talking about?

[B]

That's who I'm actually talking about. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I thought Jacob was just assuming. Got it.

[B]

No, Jacob. Jacob is locked in because she wants it so bad. But I. It seems like the people who have the power don't want to give it to her.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And at one point, do you accept her? No. But then again, you and I both got a lot of no's. You know what I mean? And then at some point, some of those no's turned into yeses. Some of them stayed nos and have been that forever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, for example, when After Midnight was going off. This is full disclosure. When After Midnight was going off the air, a lot of people who worked there were like, I want you to take over the show. Taylor Thomas, stepping down. You're one of our favorite guests. You've done this show now six times. You have done it the most amount of times in the smallest amount of time. Not the most, but in the smallest amount of time. I got an honorary seven Timer badge, even though I only did six times. Cause the show was shutting down, and a lot of people who worked there were like, we love you. We want it to be you. And then I was toeing the line between, like, who do I let know that I'm interested without. But they made it clear they weren't interested in continuing the show. Like, if they don't. If they don't have Taylor, you know, I don't want it. I don't want it.

[A]

I don't want it at all.

[B]

They didn't want anything. But I did want to make it known to people that I was interested in that and if it was an opportunity, I wanted to present to them, hey, if y' all are down, I'm down. I genuinely want to do this gig. I love doing this show. It is so much fun. I love to be part of this. But maybe that's an area where I couldn't determine when it became, like, cringy, because I. I told a few people, the few people I Told were like, oh, we would love to have you do that. I'm not the one. I don't have that power. I'm just the this, this, this. I'm just the this, this, this. And I don't know how far letter to climb before the person who can hear it. But then you go to like, but I wasn't in. But I wasn't at the place where I was like, I'll just post it on Twitter. I'll just post Instagram.

[A]

Like, were you afraid of, like, did you think it would be embarrassing? Did you?

[B]

I think it'd be embarrassing to not get it. Like, the guy from sn, the guy who wanted to be on snl, so he made. So he made a video being like, I want to be on snl. Part of me admired his tenacity to do that, and part of me was embarrassed by him doing that and not getting it.

[A]

So I would have done it. If I was in your position. I don't think there would be anything cringy. Oh, God. I don't think there was any. In my humble opinion. Obviously you feel differently because you didn't do it. I don't think there would be. Cause everything you just said, we don't know all the other stuff you said about how you let people know that when you were working there. So if you'd have posted, you know what I mean, again, for me, it wouldn't be because I think a lot of the opportunities I've gotten in my life was because I did things like that. When I got exchange rate, it was because I literally went to the senior vice president of the thing and I was like, I want to do a talk show here.

[B]

You didn't go on Twitter and post I want to show at aol?

[A]

I did. I think I tweeted after. After I sent her the thing. I think, I mean, I can go on my thing and look for it. I either tweeted or Instagram sorted. I'm like, I want to do. I want to do a talk show. I have to do the talk show a build. And then I sent her the thing that night.

[B]

But what I'm saying, the difference is that you were like, I wanted a talk show. You didn't say, build, Give me a show. So this guy on SN who want to be on snl, he made a video being like, Michael Lauren, what's his name? Tommy Lauren. What's his name? Lauren Michaels.

[A]

Lauren Michaels. Lauren Michaels.

[B]

Lauren Michaels cast me. Like, I'm saying the name Lauren Michaels. I am sending out A open letter to Lauren Michaels. I am saying the name snl. He's not saying, like, I want to be on tv and I'm having a private conversation with Lauren Michaels. You had a private conversation with the head of AOL Build. And then you said, I would like a talk show. And it. It. I would feel embarrassed. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. I would feel embarrassed to publicly. To have a conversation publicly. Be like, I want to show a build and I want it to happen, and I really, really want it to happen. And then I get it. I would feel embarrassed about that. That's why if I audition for. There are some shows I audition for and movies I audition for that I don't tell people about. But I wouldn't tell the people in the world that I auditioned until after I didn't get it. Cause then I reckoned with. With not getting the thing that I've wanted on my own terms.

[A]

I think this industry is just so thing. I think. I think. I think a lot of times people get opportunities because they, like, say it out loud like that. And like some people, like. And then like, you know, agents and whatever happened and it ends up happening later down the road. But. Yeah.

[B]

Have you ever done that though.

[A]

For specific roles? I'm trying to think what. I have that.

[B]

Or gigs or like. Or like, let's say, for example, Nicole Buyer just hosted Jimmy Kimmel. Would you ever tweet Jimmy Kimmel, have me host?

[A]

I wouldn't. Because I don't think. I don't think I'm. I'm not anywhere close to doing that. I don't think. I don't think that's anywhere close. I don't think I'm any. I'm not in the running to even be even the tiniest bit considered for that. I just don't think.

[B]

Well, let's pick something you are in the running for. So let's say, let's say an opera gig. Let's say. Let's say. Let's say playing Caiaphas in Jesus Christ Superstar. I actually think you'd be a really good Caiaphas in Jesus Christ. I think it's probably the best role for you. If not King Herod.

[A]

I think don't do me empty because I have nothing about that. Like, get like the Met. I would not feel any ways weird about or cringy or awkward or corny about tweeting to the Met. I want to. I mean, I. I want to come do the roster at the Magic Flute. I would not feel kind of corny about that. I would do it right now.

[B]

Know.

[A]

You know.

[B]

So what's that?

[A]

I don't even think they're doing a production of the Met any this season. But. Okay.

[B]

The Met doesn't do shows every. Like they don't have. Always has Empty. Empty season.

[A]

No, but I specifically Magic Flute. I think they did Magic Flute two seasons ago, so they probably not going to do.

[B]

You said Magic Flute. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what role do you want to play?

[A]

Zarashtro? I. Okay, let me say this out loud.

[B]

I won the queen. Is that the Queen of the Night? Arya?

[A]

No, that is her. The. The good guy. Zoroastra.

[B]

Oh, Zarasha, the good guy. Okay, got it.

[A]

Yeah. So here's my. Here's my thought. They need to do. Because you know they do. They modernize a lot of op Wells. They set them in modern times. They recently they did a thing of sodomy where it was like set in like an 80s strip club, which is really cool. Anyway, they need to do a modern ballroom ver. Because you know the story the Queen of the Night, right. Is the Queen of the Night. And then there's Zarasho, who's the Sun God, basically. And they're basically two dueling factions. She wants her daughter to kill her father, which is Zoroaster, and Zoroasterro wants to banish the Queen of the Night. And then so imagine what if it was set in like a 90s ballroom situation where you have the queen. That is the queen. The Queen of the. She's the mother of the House of Night. And Zoroaster is the mother of the House of the Sun. And it's like Queen versus queen ballroom. Like two houses births each other. I think that could be so cool.

[B]

I'm not super familiar with Queen of the Night. I mean the Magic Flute. I just know that the queen who is singing the song Queen of the Night wants to murder her daughter or her daughter in law or some young woman and she wants to stab her.

[A]

No, that's her daughter. She wants her daughter to murder her father. So she's charging her daughter to kill her. Zoroastro. The father, the priest.

[B]

That's what it is. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know anything about Queen of Anything about the Magic Flute.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

But that. But I will say if I heard that concept, I would go. Whatever you just described, I would go watch it. Put it that way.

[A]

Yeah. You know, and I think that I do know that it'll be really cool. Anyway. Whatever, man. They Listen to me.

[B]

I mean, part of me wants to learn more about opera so that I can work with you to bring some of these visions that you have to life. But I just don't know enough about opera. But I do have a interest in. There's something about me that wants to be a part of making it fun, because I don't know if I'm allowed to say this.

[A]

Say it, and if you think it's.

[B]

Shady, we'll cut it out.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

When I went to go see you in that opera, like, waiting for you to come on stage was torture. Like, I feel like you should have told me you were in the second act because I would have just came an hour later. Like, I didn't know. Like, I didn't know what they were saying.

[C]

Was it in English?

[B]

No, it was not in English.

[C]

Were there subtitles?

[A]

They have supertitles?

[B]

Yeah. But I read slowly. You all know I can't read that fast. So I'm sitting here, like, fighting for my life to stay awake and bitch. I would have fucking. I don't know what I would have done, but if I knew, because nothing that happened in the first act registered to me. I was reading, but I'm reading and trying to watch the show and trying to consume it and trying to get every nuance in the comedies and the this and that and the drama and all the men. And her 19 fathers, or 47. How many fathers does she have?

[A]

Two in theory, obviously, one. But she has two.

[B]

But doesn't the regimen, like, also, like, they're. But the regimen. They're all her dads. Low key, right?

[A]

Yeah. Because she's the daughter of the regiment. Right. Like, because, Dave, she's been, quote, unquote, raised by these men who's just like, how, like, you know, a village raises a child that. But they're not like, all her fathers, they just, like all her polycule. Yeah, the Firm.

[B]

That was a bit. But it was hard to track it because I found it boring. And I think I was having fun when you were on stage because I'm a fan of you and I'm wondering, if it wasn't you, would I have been having fun? Your part was obviously the funniest part of the show. It's written to be the funniest part of the show. Your character was so funny. And I just. Part of me kept being like, I wish I liked this. I wish this was more fun for me, because I want to like this. I want to feel culture. That's why. That's why Those of us who get to watch Rent, we get to feel like we know La Vivo Am or Vivo M or whatever. That's only because we like Rent. But we don't want to go actually watch the real operas based off. Based off. We don't. We do not want to go watch the real one.

[A]

That's why I think. I know there is. You know, you want to preserve the culture and how the op. The operas were like, originally composed and set. But I feel like there needs to be a huge sweep and like. Like in 80% of the operas that happen annually, they need to just be set in modern times. Make them feel current, make them feel cool, set them in strip clubs, set them in. In, in. In whatever. Like, make them feel. I think that will change a lot for people. They hard experience them.

[B]

I saw one opera that I really enjoyed through and through. No, two. The Marriage of Figaro. In college.

[A]

In. In the 17th century, in the 16th century.

[B]

I mean, it was pretty standard.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then Anna Nicole Smith's opera down at bam.

[A]

I've never seen that. I heard that, right?

[B]

I.

[A]

No, I didn't know she had a hopper. I heard the. I heard The Malcolm X1 was not good.

[B]

Am I making that up? Is there not an Anna Nicole Smith opera, maybe?

[C]

No, there is.

[B]

Yeah, I saw that. Bam, girl. I had the worst seat in the house. Just so you guys know, if you get an obstructive view seat at bam, you are literally sitting behind a seven foot column. Them. And I mean seven foot, not in radius, bitch. In diameter. Like when I was like, this is not obstructed view. This is facing a wall. I cannot believe they sold me that ticket. I was so gagged. So gagged. I watched the entire show like this.

[A]

That's annoying.

[B]

The whole show.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Anyway, we. We've been talking forever.

[A]

I want to say something really quick.

[B]

I.

[A]

This, this probably a conversation. This might be a conversation for a bigger podcast, but I really. I'm really bothered by this notion of light skin and dark skin. I was watching the Laverne Cox town hall when they have the trans people.

[B]

We, We. We are.

[A]

We got.

[B]

We're at a.15 minutes. It's gonna be a long one, y'. All. Bitch, I really thought you were about to bring up a light station and you really launched into colorism. All right, let's get into it. Go.

[A]

Yeah, so they had the Laverne Cox. So we were holding accountable for her.

[B]

For her.

[A]

What she said about. About dating the maga. The bag Republican, Olay.

[B]

And friends.

[A]

Yeah, olay and friends. And then, so they wanted, then the, one of the people in there, the non binary person goes, we know Laverne Cox as a light skinned woman, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I'm listening, I'm like, let me pick up my phone. I'm like light skinned. I'm like, yeah, Laverne Cox is the lighter. She's lighter than like yourself and maybe myself. But I, I think Lavern Cox and I are probably the same color. But I would not call Laverne Cox a light skinned person. I say, hey, as a skinned person, you say that. But I think when you say someone is light skinned, I'm thinking of Naomi Smalls. I'm thinking of people who are like, like, like, you know, Zendaya, Zendaya. But Laverne Cox not a light skinned woman. She's just a brown skinned woman.

[B]

Does that does, does, does that b. It really bothers me, so I want to. One, I agree with you that Laverne Cox is not light skinned.

[A]

She's not.

[B]

She's just not. And I'm. What really annoys me too is I've seen a tik tok discourse about how, how there's only two categories. Dark skin and light skin. If you're not light skinned, you're dark skinned. If you're not dark skinned, you're light skin. Y' all black people. There are black people who are lighter than white people, naturally.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? So, like, obviously those folks are light skinned, but there are people who are like, I am a person who is very dark skinned. I'm not the darkest person, but I am, am often the darkest person in any room I'm in, unless I'm with my family. My uncle Steve's there or Justin's there or something like that. But I have other dark. Me, Me, my uncle Steve and Justin, we're the darkest people in our family. Everyone else is like Monae's complexion. Ish. But acting. But when y' all act like Monet is having the same experience as a person who is as dark as, like Lupita and Yongo, that's crazy to me. But when you're also acting like Laverne Cox is having the same experience because of her skin color as Zendaya, that's crazy too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not just light skinned and dark skin, y'. All. We as black people come in so many shades.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So, like, let's. I, I think that conversations about colorism are valid, but can we just acknowledge that There is nuance.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Please, for the love of God, acknowledge. There's new Carla Vernon Cox. Light skin is crazy.

[A]

And there's a whole thing. Everybody. And like, everybody says besides this one woman, that we're like, like, yeah, no. And so then everybody.

[B]

Jacob's. Jacob's putting up a picture of Zendaya. That's Zendaya, right?

[A]

Yeah, that's Zendaya. Yeah.

[B]

Zendaya next to Laverne Cox.

[A]

Yeah. And everyone in the zoom was like, yeah, as a light skinned woman. And they were like. And then when like, kind of bucked a little bit, they were like, girl, you had to acknowledge that you're light skin. And then it kind of like, backed her into a corner when she got like. Hannah had to agree because the entire group was like, bitch, you're light skin. I was like, this is crazy.

[B]

Well, what's interesting to me is that, like, there was a lot to call Laverne out about. And that's what y' all chose. That's what y' all chose. Is Will Smith light skinned?

[A]

I think Will Smith is light skinned, right? I don't remember. I haven't seen Will Smith.

[B]

Look at Will Smith. Are he and Laverne the same color?

[A]

I think Will Smith and Laverne might be similar. Like, the same color, I think.

[B]

Nah, Will Smith looks like he's a little bit lighter than Laverne Cox.

[A]

Oh, is he?

[B]

Name someone who's. Whose name.

[A]

Amanda Steele is light skinned.

[B]

Amanda. You remember they kept saying Amanda Seals was white.

[A]

That is so crazy.

[B]

They kept being like your mom. They kept being like, your mom's white.

[A]

She's like, my mom is not like.

[B]

No, but your mom. No, it was. It was. What's his name? What's his name?

[A]

Same caller. Who?

[B]

The guy who. The football player who became a podcaster who is in trouble for something he did.

[A]

Joe Rogan.

[B]

Shannon Sharp.

[A]

Oh, Shannon Sharp.

[B]

Oh, because your mom was white. She's like, my mom's not white. Oh, no, Your mom married a white man. My mom never married a white man. She dated a white man. She didn't date a white man. Like, it was. Shannon Sharp is the worst journalist ever. Yours isn't light skinned. I don't know. I don't know. I need to see these people in person.

[A]

I mean, she has said it herself. She's like. She has acknowledged, like, her, you know, her privileges as a light skinned person.

[B]

From what I remember, all I know is I'm dark skinned. That's all I know.

[A]

And I know that I'm brown skinned. I think that I'm in like the media medium in the middle like, like low middle which again I'm not, I'm not splitting hairs. Like I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm a low, low middle but not the dark. I don't know, I'm just, this is.

[B]

What I hear when the, when the numbers and letters come up with hair. I'm a 4C B3, we got black hair. All right, bye everybody.

[A]

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