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Convicted felon Donald Trump is running around and he's supported by Magalakis and Republicans as well, repeating this bullshit that, quote, illegal aliens or non citizens are voting in droves across the United States and our elections. And that's part of the plan, right? Because Trump wants people to support this SAVE act and he wants Republicans to push this SAVE act, which is, as I've always said, a hammer in search of a nail. There is no need for this legislation. And Secretaries of State are under attack, sometimes with threats of real physical violence, because they are the ones who are responsible for the elections to be run in states and for them to be done safely, efficiently, and with no fraud and with integrity. And you have people like Secretary of State Francisco Aguilar from Nevada, who has been sent letters, threatening letters now from DHS and the doj, threatening things like criminal prosecution, if they don't comply with what the Trump administration is asking them to do. Which I guess the Trump administration has forgotten that states are responsible and legally have the power to run elections the way that they want to in their own states. But Aguilar is like, yeah, no, I am not going to cower. I'm not going to back down because I am running free and fair elections. I am running safe elections that are free of election fraud and interference and doing so even when federal funding is being cut, to be able to protect these elections. So I thought it was really important to break through the noise and to stop the bullshit and to hear the truth from somebody like Secretary of State Aguilar about whether non citizens are really voting in these elections. Spoiler alert. They're not. And what's being done to safeguard against people like Donald Trump interfering in the upcoming midterms and beyond. Take a listen. Joining me now to dispel any of the misapprehensions and the lies that are out there about election integrity issues and noncitizens voting and all of these boogeyman issues that are being raised by convicted felon. Donald Trump is Nevada Secretary of State Francisco Aguilar. Secretary, it's good to see you. Thanks for being here.
B
Thank you for having me. It's an honor to be here.
A
Oh, well, listen, I appreciate the, the fighting spirit that you have shown, repeatedly pushing back and all kidding aside, let's just straight out of the gate, let's just, let's just put everybody's fears to rest. I have called it a hammer in search of a nail. This administration desperately looking for a reason to terrify people. What's going to happen in November because All of these crazy hordes or caravans, as they like to say. Of course, illegal aliens are all voting and they're running to the polls and it's all happening under your nose as a Secretary of State in Nevada. True or false?
B
Completely false. And I say false because Nevada voter base is 30% Latino. That's a significant voter base. And why you wonder why the President's coming after us is because they know that community is going to decide the 28 election. 26 is about 28.
A
So here's the thing, and we'll talk about the SAVE act in a second. But I, I want, I want our viewers and our listeners to understand the safeguards that you have installed to protect the integrity of the elections process in your state.
B
Yeah, you know, I say this all the time, that Nevada runs some of the safest, most secure and accessible elections in the country. Accessibility does not come at the cost of safety and security. In 22, MIT ranked Nevada's elections number 13 in the country. For the 24 election, they ranked us number two. And we did a significant amount of work from 22 to 24 to make sure our elections are safe and secure. One, we implemented a brand new system called Voter Registration election management system VRAMS that allowed us to bring uniformity across all 17 counties in Nevada. All 17 counties are on the same system. They're running the same processes. But also too, the Trump administration slashed the budget of cybersecurity at cisa and that significantly impacted the states across this country. They talk about the security of elections, they talk about foreign adversaries, but then yet they go and cut all the funding that's available to the states to build those safety systems into place. Nevada took a leadership role. We have some of the best cybersecurity. It's expensive, but the state accepted that responsibility. I had a previous boss who said, if you want to get something done right, you got to do it yourself. And I went with that mantra to our governor, who's a Republican, and said, look, federal government's doing X, Y and Z. We have to step up as a state to make sure we protect ourselves. And thank God we did it. Because about a year ago, Nevada suffered one of the biggest cyber attacks a state has ever suffered in our country's history. And the Secretary of State's office was completely protected. We had zero issues. And if I had to run an election during that period of time, I could. The voter data would be safe and secure, the results would be safe and secure. There would be no hacking. But again, the federal Government has done nothing to support us in those efforts except try to continue to challenge us and make our lives difficult.
A
I want to pull on two very distinct threads from what you just said. Secretary number one, I am so glad you brought up the funding issue because. And it kind of, I think, is woven into the second question. I think a lot of people forget that DHS deals with national security issues, which deals with election issues. Right. I mean, these things are inextricably intertwined. And when you cut critical funding for agencies and departments that help fight back against election interference issues, what are the states supposed to do? So people understand here you had to go as a state and pick up the laboring or of the cost and the personnel to ensure that the elections that occur in your state are safe.
B
That's right. We, you know, this is on the backs of Nevada taxpayers. Nevada is struggling from an economy perspective, from a jobs perspective. And to put this responsibility on the backs of those taxpayers when the federal government has the resources and, and should accept this position as a leader in cybersecurity because they're responsible for the ultimate protection of the country from foreign adversaries. But now that states are having to do it, it's just wrong. You know, I say this all the time. I feel like I'm in a UFC chokehold with what they're doing to us from a funding perspective, from a threat perspective, but just a constant attack mode. But I have secretaries are some of the toughest people. We're pretty stubborn and, and we're not going to give up. We're not going to fold over. We're battle born like we're battle tested. We're ready for this moment and we're going to continue to fight. The president constantly talks about winners and losers, and I can say secretaries are winners. Within the last couple weeks, we've won three major court cases against some of the work he's tried to do to rip our elections apart.
A
It's interesting because I think for several people, myself included, by the way, I'll own this. You know, for several of us, we didn't know who our Secretary of State, of our state is. And I can tell you, you know, my, my state is Florida. And so, for example, my Secretary of state ended up taking a very prominent role during Bush v. Gore, as a lot of people remember dealing with the election. And, you know, a lot of people don't pay attention. But, but to dispel any misconceptions about this secretary, you are in a nonpartisan role, meaning as the Secretary of State you represent Republicans, Democrats, Independents, no party affiliations. I mean, if you're, if you're registered to vote legally and you are there, you are being represented, frankly, by you as the Secretary of State.
B
Right. You know, Secretary of State. Yes, our races are competitive during the campaign mode. That's when you're compete mode. That's when you're on the field playing your ball game. But once you become elected, it's your responsibility to govern. We have to call balls and strikes as we see them. We don't have the opportunity to deviate and make political decisions because every decision we make as secretaries gets challenged in the courts. So we have to make sure every decision we make is within the law. And we are doing what we're supposed to be doing because it's going to get challenged.
A
We got to talk about DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, who took over for Christie. No, I'm sending out these letters on the heels of the Department of Justice's own Harvey Dillon, who is the quote, head of civil rights. I have to put that in quotes because I'm not sure about civil rights anymore. But these letters come out of very important federal agencies like DHS and doj, and they're literally threatening fines, I think at the mellow end of the spectrum to incarceration of people like you in your official capacities as Secretary of State. If you don't do what they're asking you to do, which is almost prove a negative. It's like they want you to be a part of this lie that there's voter integrity issues with, quote, illegals or non citizens being voting at elections. And yet the evidence does not bear out for any of that.
B
Well, when you don't have the data and you don't have the facts on your side, so you go ultimately into a bully mode and it's like attack, attack. And it's the threats and the constant threats that they think you're going to fold because you're scared of them. I'm not scared of these guys. Like, come get me. Here I am. I'll give you my address. I'll. We'll set a time for you to meet me. Like, bring it on. Because again, secretaries are following the law. We're not deviated. The fact that they sent these letters with these numbers in them, but they didn't send the data to back up those numbers. We have no idea where those numbers came from. They haven't shown us the data. And yes, when they give us the data, of course we're going to look at it. We're going to analyze it because as Secretary of State, I want to improve our systems constantly. We have to be at the forefront of trying to improve the processes, to improve the systems of our elections. And if this data, data set has real information, and it's interesting, I have to go back to the fact that, you know, they did make a request for the voter rolls in Nevada, but in addition to the publicly available information, they wanted Social Security numbers, driver's license, birth dates. And I said, no way. Go pound sand, because again, when somebody registered to vote in Nevada, they agreed to give that information to the Secretary of State's office. They agreed to give it to the state because they wanted to participate in our processes. They didn't sign up to give it to a third party. And Nevada law is very clear that I am responsible for protecting that information. And Nevadans are anxious about their private information, given what we recently went through as a state. And for me to just arbitrarily give it to the government, the federal government. No way. When they sent that original letter, we responded and said, okay, why do you want this information? What are you going to do with it? And who's going to be responsible for protecting it? They never responded. They just sent the lawsuit. And so then when we get this other letter, and I call them, by the way, love notes from the doj, and now we're getting love notes from the dhs, Right? It's been a while since we received a letter, and I thought, oh, here's a nice one. Let's go. But again, they say they have this data, but they're suing me because I wouldn't give it to them. So where is the source of the data they have? And I think Americans should be concerned about these Wild west individuals pursuing government agencies for data that they may not be entitled to have. That's the scary part.
A
And it is the antithesis of this idea of small government. Right? I mean, let's be clear. The law. The law, and I love living in the law, the law is clear that states get to control their own elections, but you actually go even deeper. So states are also able to bake in more privacy protections for the citizens of their states than other states can. Right? You can elect to do it whichever way you want to do it. And I think that's very important because we have seen the sharing of information with agencies like ice. We have seen the sharing of information, and we've seen what DOGE has been able to do, and we've seen invasion of privacy happening in real Time because of this administration. But what's important is, you know, we saw Tulsi Gabbard as the Director of National Intelligence, rolled down to Fulton county when they seized original ballots and voter rolls from that state. So it is critically important for a Secretary of State to defend all the citizens, regardless of what their party affiliation might be.
B
No. And that's actually right. It's my job to protect all Nevadans. And, you know, it was really interesting. I was in Carson City speaking to a business group when I got the original letter for the requested information. And somebody asked me in that group, hey, tell me about this. And when I explained it and it was a majority Republican group, they stood up and clapped, and I was like, holy smokes. This is not a partisan issue. This is a Nevada issue and one that people care about because it's their private information. They want their private information protected. They don't want it out there with somebody to freely have it to do what they want with it.
A
So I want to go to the numbers because I think these are really important. I need my reading glasses for this. So Marque Mullen sends this letter and he alleges, and this is important without any evidence and without any basis that there are 8,576 Nevada registrants from whom the name, date of birth, address, and Social Security number match a non citizen in its files, as in DHS's files. But then out of the 2.1 million active voters in Nevada, there's only 138 voters that did not provide a state driver's license or Social Security number when registering to vote. So it should be relatively easy to pin down who are the non citizens. Let's get back to the proof. I mentioned, the SAVE act at the beginning. I mean, you know, Trump loves to run around and say that a whole lot of, quote, non citizens are voting. But I always say this, are you kidding me? You think somebody's going to come to the United States, risk being deported? And we know what happens now. People are getting killed, if not, you know, seriously hurt, in custody, in detention. They're going to risk all of that to go vote? You mean to tell me they're going to roll up to a polling location and they're going to vote when they're a non citizen? It's just so nonsensical. And yet this is the constant drumbeat of the big lie, right? This idea that there's an election integrity problem that needs to be fixed.
B
Well, it's just arrogance on their part. The fact that the President was very clear that he does not understand how elections work. And he continues to present his ignorance about how elections work. If he truly cared, he would take the time to meet with elections officials. In Nevada. We have 17 county clerks. Fifteen of those, 17 are elected. Thirteen of the 15 are Republicans. And not only is he challenging me, but he's challenging them and their work. They care deeply about the state, they care deeply about their voters. And to make these inaccurate statements is just wrong. Again, I think Nevadans want leadership. This president, President hasn't shown leadership. He just shows his ability to create chaos and to create fear among people. And that leadership style does not last.
A
There is obviously a theme and a common denominator that's happening in your state, Nevada and in others, which is a lead up to November. You mentioned 2028, which is true. We need to be looking Beyond November of 2026 in the immediate sense. It is an inescapable conclusion that all of this discourse is centered on the idea of baking in a distrust and a mistrust of the systems and to make sure that people either don't go to vote because they don't believe that their vote is going to be validly counted in some way, or they're too scared to vote because they think something's gonna happen to them if they go to a polling location with maybe homeland security agents or officers, or they think I have to vote because I believe that, quote, Democrats are trucking in caravans of illegals to come and vote. I mean, it's just this wild energy. And yet it has very real consequences during these elections.
B
Especially when you start talking about non citizen federal agents being at polling locations. That stuff has real impact. And when I talked about 30% of our voter base being Latino, that's a conversation among Latinos. They're worried about their jobs, they're worried about the education of their kids, they're worried about putting food on the table, which Trump has made very difficult to do. And a lot of these individuals are entrepreneurs and they see their costs going up constantly. And then they hear about this something about non citizens about, you know, old. And it's, they start to think is worth my time to stress out, to think that it potentially could be violating the law. And it's no. So they're going to self select out and Nevada runs our elections are one on very slim margins because we're a battleground state. And so when you take a certain group that is a large percentage of the overall voter base out of the equation, you have a president who is choosing his voters rather than the voters choosing him or other individuals to be in the positions they're in. And that's the overall theme is they're trying to set the space of their voters electing them, choosing the voters rather than voters really choosing them. And that's unfortunate. And we're going to continue to fight. You know, our Republican governor has said that he does not favor federal agents being at polling locations. Our sheriffs, I'm in constant communication. They don't want this either. They just want everybody opportunity to vote also too. You know, the non citizens thing is just garbage and we're going to continue to fight it. We're going to stand up. And as the first Latino Secretary of State, it's my job to make sure I protect our community and I engage with our community. I say, you know, secretaries have to get used to being uncomfortable and we will do it. And this is a time where we have to get out of our comfort zones and be out there talking to voters directly. And whether or not it's hard, it doesn't matter. This is the time to stand up. And it scares me because there are 26 secretary races across this country. In 26, 13 are held by Democrats, 13 are held by Republicans. The Democrats have the battleground states, except for Georgia, which is a target for us across the country. If we can win all 13 and flip a few, that's going to give the Democrats control and people can know that somebody's going to stand up and fight for their right to vote in 28. They're going to put a stop to Trump's nonsense. But everybody is so focused on the House and the Senate that I think we're making a strategic mistake as Democrats by not recognizing the importance of Secretary of state races.
A
Yeah, I mean, that dovetails with what I said about the need for people to be educated. I know understandably we focus on the federal elections. Makes sense, right? I mean, a lot of us look at the seat count for the Senate and the seat count for the House. But I've been urging people here on my channel, you really need to pay attention to your local and state races because politics is very personal and it's very much in your backyard. And the stuff that impacts you on the day to day is going to be stuff that's going to come from your secretary of state, your state attorney general. We've seen how that's been playing out. And especially your governor. And then you also have your state legislators that are dealing with the redistricting issue and the Gerrymandering issues and all of these other laws. And so really, politics is very local, especially in a state like Nevada. And I know you, secretary, you go and you do talk to all of the constituents and all the people out there. What are they telling you is kind of a top of mind issue or the issues that they're thinking about Right now, it's cost.
B
They're scared about cost, but yet they know that to address that issue, they have to access the ballot box. And what access are they going to have? You know, Nevada has 28 recognized federal tribes in the state, Some of those tribes in very rural areas of the state. And it's my responsibility as secretary of State to make sure that they have access to the ballot box. I visited 22 of the 28 already. And just for a government official to go into tribal land to meet with tribal leadership doesn't happen very often. And so at first they're very skeptical of you, but you let them talk, you listen, you try to offer solutions, but you really are there to listen. And that's the fact that I think where you build the trust. From 22 to 24, we increased tribal turnout by 34% just because of a couple things we did. One, the tribes had to request a polling location for their county clerk. Now it's flipped where the county has to provide it unless the tribe opts out. But we also expanded digital voting to allow tribal members living on tribal land to vote digitally on their phone, their tablet, their computer. Just by making those initiatives, tribal members said, oh, somebody's listening to us. I'm actually going to show up at a polling location and vote. It's those types of efforts that we have to continue to do as secretaries. And going back to local officials, it's about county commissioners and county supervisors. Yeah, in Clark and Washoe county, the county supervisors, commissioners, they hire the elections clerk in those county. That is the power that those commissioners have. And there's a group out there called Slay State and Local Election alliance that is recognizing the importance of these races and getting engaged in these races to ensure that we elect people, both Republicans and Democrats, because there are good Republicans out there, there are good Republican secretaries of state who are doing what we needed to do to help us in this fight to protect access to the ballot box.
A
Secretary of State Francisco Aguilar, what I hear from you is voting has consequences. That's definitely what I'm hearing from you. I am grateful for the work that you are doing, and I'm especially grateful for you allowing us this time to be in conversation to kind of peel back the curtain and let us understand what happens in. In another state. Not everybody who tunes in and watches and listens to this is going to be from Nevada. And so it's important for them to understand what's happening in such an important place like Nevada. Thank you again for joining me. Thank you for, for just spending the time with me. And thanks for being such a fierce defender of democracy. It is not a partisan issue. Democracy is certainly something that's for all of us. So I really appreciate it. Thank you.
B
Thank you for having me and giving me the opportunity. The fact that you're educating voters and Americans about the process it takes to ensure we have safe and secure elections and that what the federal government is doing is not right. States have the responsibility. It's about state power and it's about rising up now to make sure we're executing as best we can to ensure that people are confident in our process.
A
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Episode Title: Trump’s GOP Gets Desperate With Bombshell Midterm Threat
Release Date: July 23, 2026
Guest: Nevada Secretary of State Francisco Aguilar
This episode of Sidebar with Katie Phang dives headlong into the current wave of misinformation and political pressure surrounding alleged noncitizen voting in American elections—specifically focusing on Nevada as a battleground case. Host Katie Phang is joined by Nevada Secretary of State Francisco Aguilar, who offers an insider's view on election security, federal interference, myths about noncitizen voting, and the ongoing fight to protect voter privacy and integrity in the face of Trump-driven narratives. The discussion brings unfiltered clarity on what's happening behind the scenes, the real threats to fair elections, and why Secretary of State races matter more than ever.
[00:00–03:12]
Katie Phang opens by debunking Trump’s narrative that “illegal aliens or noncitizens” are voting “in droves.” She calls the so-called SAVE Act “a hammer in search of a nail.”
There is “no need for this legislation,” as states already have robust systems in place for election security.
Secretaries of State like Francisco Aguilar are under attack for pushing back against these narratives and are even facing threats of prosecution from federal agencies.
“Spoiler alert. They’re not [voting].”
— Katie Phang [01:57]
[03:12–05:37]
Aguilar stresses that claims of noncitizen voting are “completely false,” noting Nevada’s 30% Latino voter base and high national election security rankings (from MIT: #13 in 2022, #2 in 2024).
Nevada has implemented VRAMS, a new comprehensive voter registration and election management system across all 17 counties.
Despite substantial federal cuts—especially to cybersecurity—Nevada stepped up independently, weathering one of the largest state cyberattacks in history without compromising election data.
“If you want to get something done right, you gotta do it yourself.”
— Francisco Aguilar [04:54]
“The Secretary of State’s office was completely protected. We had zero issues.”
— Francisco Aguilar [05:16]
[05:37–11:56]
Phang notes the irony of DHS and DOJ threatening state officials like Aguilar—despite states’ legal autonomy over election processes.
Aguilar details how funding and cybersecurity responsibilities have unfairly shifted to Nevada taxpayers.
He describes the federal government’s requests for “private data” (SSN, driver’s licenses, birthdays), which he refused to release, defending Nevada law and citizens’ privacy—even when pressured with lawsuits.
“I feel like I’m in a UFC chokehold with what they’re doing to us from a funding perspective…”
— Francisco Aguilar [06:45]
“Go pound sand... when somebody registered to vote in Nevada, they agreed to give that information to the Secretary of State’s office… They didn’t sign up to give it to a third party.”
— Francisco Aguilar [10:20]
[07:29–08:45]
Aguilar explains that once elected, Secretaries of State are legally bound to serve all voters, irrespective of party:
“We have to call balls and strikes as we see them… every decision we make gets challenged in the courts. So we have to make sure every decision we make is within the law.”
— Francisco Aguilar [08:13]
[08:45–15:11]
Federal agencies are using threats of fines and jail to “prove a negative,” i.e., that there is no noncitizen voting, despite no supporting evidence.
The wild allegations are designed to sow chaos, fear, and distrust in elections—particularly targeting Latino voters and other key constituencies in battleground states like Nevada.
“When you don’t have the data and you don’t have the facts on your side, so you go ultimately into a bully mode and it’s like attack, attack.”
— Francisco Aguilar [09:36]
“It is the antithesis of this idea of small government… the law is clear that states get to control their own elections…”
— Katie Phang [11:56]
[13:40–15:11]
DHS claims 8,576 suspect registrants, but Nevada has only 138 active voters without a driver’s license or SSN on file—proving how exaggerated federal claims are.
Phang and Aguilar both ridicule the idea that noncitizens would risk serious consequences just to vote.
“You think somebody’s going to come to the United States, risk being deported…they’re going to risk all of that to go vote?”
— Katie Phang [14:19]
“It’s just arrogance on their part…The President was very clear that he does not understand how elections work, and he continues to present his ignorance about how elections work.”
— Francisco Aguilar [15:11]
[15:57–19:30]
These baseless allegations are an intentional strategy to suppress voter turnout by sowing fear, particularly among Latino communities, and manipulating who participates in elections.
Aguilar points out the broader danger: “You have a president who is choosing his voters rather than the voters choosing him.”
“That’s the overall theme—they’re trying to set the space of their voters electing them, choosing the voters rather than voters really choosing them.”
— Francisco Aguilar [18:19]
Both law enforcement and Nevada’s Republican governor oppose having federal agents at polling places.
[19:30–22:19]
Phang and Aguilar agree: public focus is often on federal races, but state and local officials—especially Secretaries of State—directly impact ballot access and election integrity.
Nevada’s Secretary’s office made tangible improvements for tribal voters: tribal turnout increased by 34% due to changes such as reversing the burden for polling locations and introducing digital voting options for those on tribal lands.
Nonpartisan alliances are forming to support good election administrators of both parties.
“It’s my responsibility as Secretary of State to make sure that they [tribal voters] have access to the ballot box.”
— Francisco Aguilar [20:55]
[22:19–23:26]
Phang thanks Aguilar for his candor and defense of democracy, underscoring that election integrity “is not a partisan issue. Democracy is certainly something that’s for all of us.”
Aguilar urges vigilance and education, emphasizing the need for states to rise up and ensure trust in the electoral process.
“It’s about rising up now to make sure we’re executing as best we can to ensure that people are confident in our process.”
— Francisco Aguilar [23:18]
Sidebar with Katie Phang provides a tough, unflinching look at how myths around noncitizen voting are weaponized to undermine democracy and suppress voter confidence—especially in states critical to the national balance of power. Secretary Aguilar lifts the veil on how false federal claims create both practical and psychological obstacles, while Nevada achieves model status for election security via homegrown innovation and resistance against heavy-handed demands for private data. Both Phang and Aguilar stress that defending democracy and the right to vote is everyone’s battle, cutting through noise and fear with clear facts and practical solutions.
Bottom line:
The real threat to U.S. elections isn’t hordes of noncitizens voting, but calculated disinformation, legal intimidation, and lack of federal support—combatted on the ground, every day, by state officials like Francisco Aguilar and vigilant voters everywhere.