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Simon Dixon Hard Talk
The AI Government Is Already Here | Simon Dixon on The Peter McCormack Show w/ Peter McCormack
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A
We are in the midst right now of transitioning to an architecture of, I'd say a one world government control grid. Everybody needs to lean in. There is no way you can fight it.
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B
What I can't get my head around is who are the winners and losers.
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A
Politics is gone. If you're wasting time on politics, I think you're wasting vital energy. You need to build for yourself. And it starts with you and your family and your community. The whole monopoly board is being thrown up by, I believe, an agenda to build a police and surveillance state of programmable money, social credit scores and artificial intelligence.
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B
Have I taught you about the golden pill?
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A
No.
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B
You've had every pill. You know how it works now. The system works and you have a choice of blue pill. We don't want to do it. You, you've understood through the red pill. You've had your depressing black pill moment, you've had your white pill. Now it's like the golden pill is like, this is reality and I'm going to build my world in it.
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A
So that's it. There is a global agenda to take us to the most centralized version of control grid that the world will ever see. And even if it happens, which I believe it will, even if it happens, it doesn't matter if you're sovereign.
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B
Yeah. So the algorithms control a lot of this game, what you're doing. And actually, in some ways, I don't like it because you become a slave to the algorithm. I've been talking to other podcast hosts and you don't really have a choice. Well, you do. You have a choice of not playing the algorithm and your show. You can make an amazing show and it can bomb you. And I could have a two hour, a brilliant two hour conversation if we haven't hit some massive topics in the first 10 minutes. It just bombs.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so if you really want to juice the algorithm, you've got to hit them in 30 seconds with a big hit. You've got to keep them engaged for the first kind of like minute of. That's why they all do trailers, you know, that first minute of the show, they show you all the big bits, so you go, oh, I want to watch that. And then you've got to like try and keep people on average above 20 minutes and you've got to bait them in with, with a title. Now, if you're Joe Rogan, you don't need to do this. You've established everyone loves you. You do a million on Spotify every episode and. But most other people have to play this game. And I've even noticed shows I really like are just not performing like they used to because they're getting beat by other people playing the game.
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A
Yeah. This is also part of the scary mechanism for control. Right. So we call it freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. I think that was the new. So we had the censorship model where there seemed like there was a moment when everything was okay, if you step too far out of the line, then we'll just cancel you. But there was a very decisive moment, I think, when it transitioned to freedom of speech but not freedom of reach. And I think it coincided with the release of AI and us building our social credit score. So I think we hit a moment where they said, okay, the cat's out of the bag. We want you talking about everything, but we want you telling your truth so that we can profile you. Now we won't give you reach. We'll only boost what we want to boost. And I think also there is putting people into the most radical version of themselves and by continually feeding them a narrative, so they figure out what your narrative is and then they keep feeding you into that narrative. And I think it radicalizes you more and more and more into your worldview. But you say they the algorithms.
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B
But is so like there's the conspiratorial side that there's some control over the algorithms to move public perception on issues or to move public perception or change the way you think and behave. But there is also the revenue side of algorithms, where everybody has an algorithm, has a company that generates money from advertising or whatever, and they play on the. The weaknesses of the mind, the inner perversions. The inner, you know, perverse curiosity is like. There's a period, I think most blokes go through a period of time where they're watching people getting their heads cut off or shot or murdered on various social media channels. And then that's all it feeds you, is people getting killed. And then you're like, I can't watch this shit anymore. And so I think is, is it a conspiracy or is it just the algorithms understand us as humans?
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A
It can be both. So what is the primary goal? The primary goal is that you're in a doom loop. Right. You never leave the device. And so they need to maximize for how do I get you on this device for as long as possible. And the more time you spend on that device, the more they can build your profile. Then it's understanding the data in addictive nature to keep you locked in. But then there's the Business model. And the business model is advertising. And so advertisers can pay to change a game. So. And that could come from anywhere. That could come from either a business agenda, it could come from political, it could come from intelligence. And so you could, you know, they are consistent, but there are certain levels, like during the cancellation culture, I think there was a intelligence we need to cancel people in order to convert them into assets, ruin their life, sue them, put them in some kind of compromise network, and then try and bring them back as an asset. And I think that's what the cancel culture was for everyone that came back from the cancellation.
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B
That was broad. Epstein.
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A
Yeah, I mean, you know, infamously, Alex Jones, you can see him like pre and post cancellation. And. And you can also, you know, the. Yeah, you can. You can see that there is a compromised network. And once you get to a certain stage, you are an asset. And if you don't comply with. If they can't weaponize you effectively and utilize you, then they can do something. They can do the cancel operation in order to bring you back in. And then you know that there is bounded escalation in your narrative, just like allowing people to monetize on X. People learn behaviors, right? They learn the sensationalist headline. That's kind of not quite true. But in line with what gets a lot of traffic and a lot of comments and riles people up, you can boost those people and boost their income. And so you're training people into the speech you want them to have, and you just pick up these assets and if they comply more and more, then you can just build these communities.
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B
What is the hierarchy of the structure that you think makes that happen?
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A
Well, I think media is just about power. It's not like a money business model. Um, media is captured in the sense that most of them are public companies. So they, they start at, you know, everyone starts out as like a decentralized group of trying to spread a message or trying to build a business for yourself. It depends which, which way you are. So if, like the founder of a podcast is building it as a business, then immediately you're into the, okay, I've got this amount of money now I need to get sponsorship. Sponsorship means that there's a certain message where I can't go down because it's bad for business. Then you have the monetization algorithms that's teaching you the behavior and the types of things you should be talking about. And then I think you get to a level of your bigger than traditional media, the top, top, top podcast
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B
did YouTube let us monetize Simon?
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A
Yeah, it did.
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B
Yeah. We're allowed to monetize you.
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A
Okay. So there's, there's a, there's a narrative that's acceptable there or there's just a load of money to be made. I do, I think the CPM was way down on that episode.
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B
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's really interesting because there is like, there's a part of me, Simon, who goes, you know what, YouTube, Spotify, I'll just build a subscription only podcast and whoever wants to pay will pay to do it. There's that Patreon video. The guy found a Patreon did called A Thousand True Fans. Have you ever seen it?
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A
No.
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B
It's brilliant. He said, most creative people don't realize you need a thousand true fans. If you're a guitarist, you know, you can write songs and release a record every, you know, a single every couple of months. Those thousand true fans will buy everything you do. They'll buy your T shirt, whatever. If you got a thousand true fans, you'll spend 100 pound a year. With you, 100,000 pound. You can be a creative, but a lot of people are thinking wide and broad and they want to play at Wembley Stadium. And actually you need a thousand true fans. But then there's the flip side. If you make it subscription only, well, you as a guest, maybe, not you, somebody else is going to go, well, I was coming on when you were reaching 500,000 people because it was good for me. Now you're reaching a few thousand subscribers. I don't care. And then there's your whole ego. It's like, well, I want my show to be successful. There's a big balance to be played.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. And this is how we win, by the way. This is like, you know, there's a lot of doomerism. There's a lot of understanding how the world really works. There's a lot of black pilling at the moment, but there's something about scale that doesn't work. There's something about a big company, a big country, you know, a big. Where something, you know, a structure of protectionism and capture just hits a certain point. And I found this with all my investments as well. Every single company I invested in, in like the bitcoin space particularly, it started that way. It started with the original ethos of trying to get people decentralized money that no one could control. But then they get in the regulatory capture. So they set up a company and then there's a board and then that Board needs to apply for a license and then it needs to maintain a banking relationship and then it needs venture capital funding and then it needs, if it succeeds to be a public company. And then it's just a full blown support, you know, a full blown subordinate of what I call the financial industrial complex at that stage. Then they load you up with debt, you've got equity and voting rights. Then they have the ability to put a board seat on your company and that those are the captured vehicles. Now what they don't want, there's like a couple of people I found or a couple of categories to simplify this down. You've got people that have, have no real money, like deep in debt. They're kind of like the product of the system. They're paying their interest, they're paying their rent, they're paying their mortgage, they're paying their credit card and they're, they're finding their situation getting worse and worse and worse. And they're complaining like they're able to talk about it. They're shouting as loud as they can, but no one really cares. You could sit here and talk about oh we got to do something about Epstein, the victims of Epstein. It does nothing right. It just carries on. Then there's real power. Let's say, let's get at the corporate level. Someone like Elon Musk about to do a 2 trillion IPO for, for SpaceX. These people are captured within, within a bounded compromise layers. Like you don't get access to the capital. We can destroy your share price. You know you will not, you will lose all your advertising. APAC will come at you or military lobby will come at you or whatever it may be will destroy your business. So there, there's all those like levers and most people there like it's very rare to get a wild card there. Most people, they're captured by the system. Even though there may not be like a massively, you know, blackmail big operation happening there. But they're just preserving their own interests. And their own interests are designed to keep you where you don't talk out against the system. And this is kind of why I got into Bitcoin. Because Bitcoin created all these really rich people that came from that ideology. And Wall street went about capturing them all one by one. And all the companies I invested in, they all got captured. But the ones that ended up with a company with no VC funding, just like bitcoin on their balance sheet. The ones that got their own bitcoin in self custody and they got rich and they Got influence and maybe they started podcasts and various other things. That's the category that the system doesn't like, which is rich, powerful, influential, ability to even create a movement with a thousand true fans that can all pay for themselves and pay without financial guardrails and the ability to be cancelled. And then it ends up, you know, you're kind of just in, you're working for YouTube at that stage. So you always, there's, there's a spectrum of subordination in everything and like you know, you're trying to get further and further into being sovereign, a sovereign company, a sovereign country, sovereign individual. But there's always something you're bounded by. But when you are like rich, wealthy, not subordinate to all of those layers, you don't have a mortgage, you're in what I call a sovereign zone. And that sovereign zone is what the system doesn't like. They really don't want those people because you're in a position to actually influence change. And they don't have all the layers of control on you. And so that's rare. You don't find many of those because they're always stuck in a business that drives them in a different direction, that makes them comply.
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B
How do we get more of them?
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Well, that was, I, I, I think the, the, the bitcoin movement I, I think it is about and I, this is why I always thought that crypto was a psyop because it took, it took a long term, economically sound philosophy of own more bitcoin each month and do that for 10 years and it replaced it with try and outperform bitcoin launch. This is your path to wealth. Create your own version or just trade and gamble and leverage and all that stuff. And that psyoped a lot of people. And so you gotta get a people with a longer term plan, an understanding of the rules and then working towards being that sovereign individual. And you kind of got two ways of going about it. I think you either accept this is the system and I understand the rules, right? I need to invest in AI companies on the stock market. And I know I'm building or I'm investing in my money is overtly building the police and surveillance state. And I need to utilize AI to be as productive as possible because opting out of it just means you're not going to make any difference or make any change. So you either go full into the system, understand the rules of the system and then become that person because everyone else just stuck down here, you're not getting any of the upside. You're not getting the shares, you're not getting anything. You don't have a business, you're just a loud voice with no influence. And all of them need to have a long term plan. But everything's driving people into this. Get rich quick. I need to do it quickly. I've only got a few years left. And so how do we drive that? I think in economics we called it time preference. How do you drive that? Time preference behavior. Keep people on track where they don't become subordinate. And then have the Kahunis to actually speak out against the system when it may punish you and make you lose all your wealth that's connected to the system, but keep your wealth that they can't capture and you know. So you either change the system from within the system by understanding the rules or you generate sovereign wealth outside the system and become that wealthy person that can actually just build its wealth outside the system. Speak against the system.
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B
What's at stake here? Somebody hasn't listened to our last two shows. What are we talking about here? What's at stake here right now?
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A
Well we are in the midst right now of transitioning to a voluntary opt in just due to the way the game has been set up and architecture.
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B
Architecture of what?
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A
An architecture of I'd say a one world government control grid where we have no choice but to lean into artificial intelligence. We have no choice but to lean into robotics for businesses in the real world that are actually building things because you'll get crushed. And from the individual investor that's allocating their money, no choice but to invest it because you'll be inflated away into non existence.
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B
But hold on, isn't that just capitalism? Like isn't that just what happened with the Internet?
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A
What do you mean what happened?
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So when we had the Internet revolution, the digital revolution that came with that, companies who didn't adopt it got destroyed. We lost Blockbuster, we lost magazines and newspapers. You had to become part of that. We or you were wiped out. Aren't we just doing the same again with AI?
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I think so. However, what comes on the other side of AI And I think this is a different game. I think structurally artificial intelligence, firstly it wipes out the ability to monetize in many cases. So everything's moving towards free, which is like a deflationary concept or a disinflationary concept. And quite clearly the evidence is showing that people are. The tech companies right now are investing in data centers to replace humans. So we are moving towards something that's going to take away jobs but not In a. Not in a similar way to the previous disruptions that anyone that's a billionaire invested in AI will tell you right now that's trying to tell you that we're moving to universal high income and that we're moving to. They'll give the examples of the Internet and the computer and how it created new businesses and new jobs. I don't think that's what's happening in this case.
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B
I've become really bullish on AI over the last couple of weeks at a personal level because I've. I've. I've been going kind of like deep in Claude. I've been spending like 15 hours a day building stuff and I'm so. I used to have an agency here in London where we would build websites and applications and we. We at the football club have a number of disparate systems. We have our merch system and we sell merch in three places and we have no stock management. We sell it online, we sell it at the club and at the coffee shop. We have our financial system, which is Xero. We have players that we manage and their contracts. We have staff that we manage, we have communications. In nine days I integrated this all into one intranet. Not only does it work, it looks beautiful because I created an AI agent with the 15 years experience of designing applications at Apple. I built an architecture of a team. I've got a security agent and so if I'd had my agency and you'd come to me with that brief, I'd said yes, about a year and probably get the first module out in three to six months. Cost you a million quid. And I'd have a team of 12 people working it. One guy on his own. I can't code for shit yet. It's teaching me how to set up Vercel, teach me how to set up GitHub, teach me how to set up Supper Base is. I'm running the SQL queries. Yeah. And God knows what, what it's doing in the background. But the ability to do that in nine days is incredible. And then I wanted to redesign our website and we use Squarespace. Problem with Squarespace you're limited to the templates and so complex things like how I want to display fixtures and results for the football team is difficult. I designed the website first and I said can you create me a cms? And basically the last three days I've recreated Squarespace. And when I say that, obviously it's not as good as Squarespace. I've been going 20 years, but it's not far off it. And it's probably better than some other CMSs, but. And I had this kind of realization. This is my bullish side of AI where I was like, yes, there's these few companies centralizing the technology. I do have a fear about that. But the technology is decentralizing the power of tech to small businesses. And actually what it's doing is crushing big businesses. There's this software apocalypse. They talk about the SaaS apocalypse. And I see it because you can now build custom applications in days that. That runs specifically how your business runs. And so any small business now understanding Claude can go and build any application they wanted that they couldn't have access to before because they weren't big enough. And so I'm seeing this kind of like decentralization of technology and the power of technology and hopefully that will empower smaller businesses. I might be on my own here.
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A
I don't think you are in Europe. But that's exactly how everyone needs to lean in for the next few years. Because this is happening.
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B
Yes.
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Like there is like, if you want to waste an incredible amount of time, go and burn data centers and fight against this. And unless you can go off the grids and you're genuinely happy in that life and you've, you've figured out your income, you figured out your assets and you just want to escape, then, then fine. But virtually no one's in that position. But for everyone else, you've got no. And this is the power of the psyop, as it were. Everybody needs to lean in. There is no way you can fight it. You need to get excited about it, you need to utilize it, and you need to build everything you possibly can and you need to help everyone make that transition, which is the arbitrage that's happening right now. There's an arbitrage between someone that's leaned in versus someone that hasn't figured out that they need to lean in. But maybe they know that they need to lean in and they just want someone to help them. And so that is a massive opportunity. Like every single business in the world needs to make that transition.
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B
Yeah. And I think this is empowering though, for the small businesses, but I think it's going to be disempowering for some of the big businesses. I think the way, for example, I don't know, Blockbuster got destroyed by Netflix. You know, Blockbuster didn't see it coming. And I think there's like one Blockbuster left or something now they just refuse to embrace it. I think that's going to happen to a lot of massive software companies, because people will not need the software because you can just write your own version. And it's always a pain with software. You have to shoe. Shoe your business into their software. And maybe if you've got loads of money, you can get some customization, but really you're always trying to adapt and you've got all these disparate applications that, that do different things. I've just done it myself. I've integrated it all into our business workflow and it's just going to change the way we work. Like, it's blown my mind. We've created one for the podcast. So one of the problems we have with the podcast is the. The flow from researching a guest, to booking the guest, to recording it, to editing it, to publishing it. It is just a bunch of stuff in my head. Connor's head, the Chelsea's head, Kurt's head. In one day, I built an application to manage that. And we have the to do list of every show broken down by person. It uses that Kanban design. So it just moves things across. And there are steps within there where AI saves us time. We're gonna have less mistakes, we're gonna be more powerful, we're gonna make better shows. Build it in a day again. You come to me as. When I've got my company and explain that system, I'm like, that's three to four months. That's probably 100 grand.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's just so empowering. What I can't get my head around is who are the winners and losers? There's going to be a lot of losers. It's going to be a lot of losers. If you, if you are in a job and your job is you go sit at a desk and you've got a number of applications and you're interpreting data in one and then moving into another, your. Your job's going, you're done, you're cooked. And if you're at any kind of consultancy level where there's lots of you and you're not an AI native, you're going to be replaced by the AI native who can manage a group of agents who do it. I've seen it, now I get it. Even to the point where I created a. So one of the things I find with Claude, that was difficult. It forgets things that you've told it and just goes rogue. So I created like a spine MD file of the important things it needs to remember. And then I created skills for all the different skills that would be in a Web application business. So I had a front end developer, backend developer, designer, project manager, systems architect, security. I sent them all into a meeting yesterday. I was like, right, go into a meeting together. I mean, I'm just saying do that. I don't know what it does, but go into a meeting together, review the system and tell us what's not been done from your perspective. Discuss it with the other agents, come back with the plan. Claude says we're all off into a meeting now. And I sit there for a few minutes, wait for, right, we're out of the meeting. It gave me a full document on everything that needs to be done. I gave that to the project manager to go and deliver. It's mind, Simon. It's mind blowing. But yeah, I think it's going to be volatile and a lot of people are going to be screwed.
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A
Yeah. So I think you're an example of somebody like, I think we're in a similar position. So I had a business, we were hiring people at some stage. We decided, do I want to be in a business around this incredibly disruptive time or do we just want to invest and deploy capital? That was a decision we had to make leading up to this. Then we decided, all right, we'll spin out part of our business. And we sold part of our business to Coinbase. Then we decided to keep the assets. And then we immediately, the next decision was, okay, we need to have a hiring freeze. So we stopped hiring everybody and we told everyone within our small team at this time because the big team went somewhere else, but we were in a small team. So we kind of decentralized it down a bit and part of our business consolidated into a, a bigger, a bigger group. And then we were, okay, you're not going to lose your job whatever happens.
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B
Right.
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We had our core people that have been through us for a decade. You know, you're not losing your job, whatever happens, but disrupt yourself, you know.
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B
Yes.
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A
And we had that level of trust where we were like, look, we've got this assets, nothing's changing. We're making this amount of revenue, just play with this technology and disrupt yourself and we'll keep you on no matter what. Like you'll be managing all of your agents and all of your things. And so a small team, we were able to do that, which is quite, is quite interesting in itself. And then what happened after that? Coinbase made an announcement saying that we're laying off X percent of our team. 17%, wasn't it something like that, like 15% or something like that. We're moving to a flat hierarchy and we're building for AI first and we're changing everything we do. And so you've got a big business that needs to make that shift now. That public company, say Coinbase, is going to have a massive boost to productivity. They're going to lay off a bunch of people. There's an interesting one right now because of the business model of AI as well. There was somewhat. There's something I looked at recently where, because of the way that the token model, where the more you're using it, the more you pay in tokens, people calculated that it cost us more on the AI than it cost on the staff, so our cost actually increased.
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B
I mean, that's not for me. Yeah, it's certainly not. I mean, I think I hit my first token limit with Claude the other day and he said it was about six in the evening and I've been become one of these AI vampires, whereby, like, I don't even, like, truthfully, I don't even want to be talking to you now. I want to be sat there coding. Everything I'm doing, I'm like, I want to. Because I want to finish my projects, right. I wake up in the middle of the night and it's two in the morning. I kind of says, get a water and just go and see what the jobs my agents have finished and set them off on the next one. Yeah, I'm continuous. But anyway, one evening at six o', clock, he said, you've hit your token limit. It resets at 8 in the morning. I said, what the fuck is this?
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A
Yeah, what do you mean?
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B
And then I bought some additional tokens and they won't work straight away. And honestly, I was like, that was, that was actually a warning signal to me in that these companies can turn you off.
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A
Yes.
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B
And that is something that does worry me. And I do want to know what the decentralized version of this is that you cannot be turned off. And maybe it can't. And maybe I'm a sucker and maybe I'm building part of the matrix of war. Fucked up.
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A
Yeah. Well, ironically, the answer in that is in China, because China's open sourcing it. And so America right now, we're certainly in an AI bubble in terms of valuations of the AI companies. Like 50% of the S&P is the magnificent seven companies, and we're about to add three more, so it'd be the magnificent 10. We'll add SpaceX, OpenAI and Anthropic. Okay, so we got 10 companies that are eating the S and P. And the only companies that are doing well right now have something in the ecosystem of the data center build out that's supporting them.
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B
Didn't Anthropic just announce they just hit profitable EBIT for the first time. Rolling profitable EBIT 100 billion potentially rolling revenue. I mean that's pretty quick to get to 100 billion revenue.
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They are. And if you look at the Nvidia numbers, we've got revenue like margins, unbelievable margins right now. I think they just. Yeah, they, they also reported that they're doing a share buyback. I think $85 billion share buyback. Who is Nvidia? Okay, so that attracts that, that attracts all the growth tech investors. Then they also said that we're increasing our dividend from $0.01 to $0.25. Wow. So now they're bringing in all the income investors, all the old Warren Buffett type of Coca Colas and banking, those type of dividend income investors. So they got the income investors, they got the growth investors. They're propping up the private credit market. The private credit that's done okay. Is when it was in the AI data centers. That's the backbone that all goes back into banking. We've got large venture capitalists like SoftBank. They've sold everything and they've done a highly leveraged trade. $60 billion leveraged trade connects to the bank of Japan carry trade in order to purchase OpenAI shares pre IPO. So we've set up this, everything's on AI. Definitely very reminiscent of the 2000 like.com era. We've set up a game like that financially and then structurally on the other side of this, we know that China is open sourcing everything.
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B
I want to get into that, but I just, just want to hit on that point. Yeah, I think there's something very different from the bubble. So I got into the Internet during the bubble. I was a student. I learned to code HTML on my lap. I was working in a Wetherspoons pub getting paid £2 70 an hour. I put my name on a freelancers forum. I got a phone call three days later from ecountries.com.com they phone me up and they offered me £1,000 a week to go and work for them. I quit uni pretty much that day. I was like, I'm done. But I worked through that period and we had so many issues with speed of the websites and them trying to do more than people were ready for is capable. And it came to, I think the Internet came too soon for Internet speeds and it, you know, and there was all that investment and nobody was making any money. Boo.com and was it pets.com all failed. I think there's a big difference here in that the Internet is ready for AI and the revenues are there and they are growing. I mean I think Anthropic said they're, they're making 80% on tokens. 80% profit on tokens.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so I think there is a difference in these business models can what is a huge amount of investment and there's surely a winner takes most on the super intelligence. But I do actually I'm not worried about their business models.
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Yeah, it's not the business model, it's what the investment banks are doing. It's what Goldman's is doing. So. So they're valuing these companies on astronomical growth on the current revenue model and they're selling approximately five years forward revenue at this valuation. And so these valuations are off the scale and they require a few things.
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B
But hold on, isn't that just the game I remember? No. Well wasn't it like Snapchat has never really made any money but all the banks got rich on the ipo. Isn't that always been the game is that there's no money left for retail by the time IPOs?
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A
Yeah, yeah. I mean well that, that was what was moved towards. It used to be a game where you would try and have retail make some money.
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B
Yeah, no retail with double retail.
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A
But now it's like you got venture capital, you got private equity, then you've got the private credit, then you've got the Gulf sovereign, you know, all the sovereign wealth funds and then you've got the ipo. So the IPO is like the final game. Then you sell it five year revenue forward. I mean if you're a long term investor it's like the right place to allocate which is why we ended up giving all our power to blackrock because you just end up buying the S and P instead. And now they've changed the game where if you are valued at a trillion dollars plus on day one, you get included in the index.
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B
SpaceX.
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A
So now SpaceX is in and I'm not sure if Anthropic and OpenAI are in but there's probably something to learn there as we learn from it. But that puts you right in the index because the stock market relies upon three things now. Money printing. If the money printer stops the game stops the passive index funds which means BlackRock can determine who's in and who's out. The Fed can determine whether we print or not, when we rug pull, when we don't rug pull. And then finally media, which is what we were talking about earlier, a narrative that gets all this investment, which right now we are leading up to China's about to. We're going to lose the AI arms race if we don't get this investment. We don't do this ipo, we don't do it at these valuations.
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B
Print a bunch more cash.
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A
Print a bunch more cash. And you need something to justify the money printing, whether it's a 7 or 5 trillion, 10 trillion, whatever we're moving to next, you need to justify it. So you need a big narrative. And one of those narratives is if you look at what's happening on the China side, Deep Seq was the first software company to receive funding from the infrastructure play of AI and technology that China's fund, the big fund, and it's never invested in software, but this is the first time it did because it was integrated into Huawei's structure. And it can do 90% of 90%, maybe one year behind is kind of what people are saying of what's being released in America, but like at a tenth of the cost.
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B
Why is it able to do that? Is it just making different trade offs?
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A
Just different. Yeah, just different trade offs, just different structures.
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B
What's China up to here? What do you think?
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A
Well, if we get into it, this goes into the one world government and what happened with the recent Xi Jinping and Trump meeting, There's a coordinated agenda there, I think in terms of we're told that it's China versus the private companies in America, but clearly those Magnificent Seven companies all build their shit in China. So the whole thing of the AI arms race is real, but at a higher level. I think there's a game that's being played and I think that transitions us to this one world technocratic government agenda.
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B
Are you a conspiracy theorist, Simon?
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A
Well, I follow money. And if the conspiracy theory matches the money, then I go down it.
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B
They keep coming true, man. Does a one world government stop a world war?
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A
I think it does, actually, yes. World War iii. I always said this, I think I said it in the previous. World War Three is absolute joke. It's a joke of a narrative, but it's what the media is pushing and it's what the algorithm's trying to make you think will happen. Because within one phone call, if it was real, within one phone call, the entire US military industrial complex cannot produce a weapon without China the entire US military industrial complex needs the supply chain of China, as does the entire US tech sector. So World War 3 is not possible. So why are we continually being told that we're going to World War Three? Well, to me there has to be a bigger agenda.
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B
Well, I mean they already have weapons stockpiles, they already have nuclear weapons, they can fire them.
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A
You're talking about taking nuke out of the equation. Like that's end of world.
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B
Yeah, but I mean that to me is the only World War 3. Everything else is proxy wars in little shitty nations that we don't care about where we're happy to just drop bombs on innocent people.
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A
Yeah. And so yeah, you know, that's, that's how I guess. But what when we get back to the AI stuff. So Deep Seek raised at about 45 billion valuation and we're looking at everything else in the under a trillion or up to 2 trillion. With SpaceX, the entire economy of US growth last year, if you took out the data center build was nothing like it was a, it was a useless economy. We also know that the, that there is a currency war. That's certainly one of the most interesting things that are happening right now as an alternative to World War 3, like an actual physical war, I think. But that's always been, every single war, there was always a currency war before the war. That's always been the number one tool. And we know that we're moving down this whole programmable money, programmable securities, programmable everything. And that's kind of where we are right now in the world.
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B
Where do you see us in 5 years? What does the world look like in 5 years? Is this something that's all this change that's happening, is it, is it going to happen fast?
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A
I think it is happening fast. Yeah. So I think the future of America is you need. All the growth is coming from the AI in the data centers. That's where it is right now. The S and P, like tech is eating the S and P. The there is a moment when the data centers are built, then what happens?
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B
We don't need any more.
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A
Well, there's not enough energy in the world to power all this AI so either what we're doing is unsustainable or there's a new model. And the new model eliminates everything that everyone's investing right now. China's already got it. They've got the whole solar panel, renewable energy, electric vehicles, batteries, rare earth minerals, like that whole supply chain, which is why Tesla needs China to make Teslas. And that Whole supply chain is there, but what is the stock market, which is now pretty much dependent upon the success of these IPOs that are about to happen? If they're a sell the rumor, buy the rumor, sell the news eventually. And there was a real structural Correction after these IPOs, and it was a rug pull and what Softbank is doing, it leads to a dump.
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B
What do you think?
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A
I'm really split between. This is why I think they're timing the opening of the Strait of Hormuz with the IPOs. I think Trump wants to make sure that liquidity is there. And so it's kind of on, off, on, off, open, closed, open. I reckon they've already signed a memor of understanding. We're getting back and forth this weekend as we speak. Ready for the. They already signed it in May, like, I think they've already signed it already for the midterms. I don't think midterms matter that much psychologically.
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B
They matter.
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A
I think Trump knows that he's fulfilled his task. He split the world into multipolarity. He's done his job, he's made a shit ton of money. He's effectively laid the foundation for killing everything that propped up the dollar. All of the deep state operations, all of the usaid, all of the data over to Palantir Department of Government efficiency, all of the reputation of America with Epstein files, everything that was covert before, that propped up the dollar is now over. And then you had the. The event that sets the new world order, which is the if America can't open the Strait of Hormuz, then you have the Suez Canal moment of the British Empire. And it's obvious that that's what's happening right now. So right now I think Trump needs a Hollywood movie of how he forced Iran into signing a deal. And I think Iran will agree to that. In the negotiations, you get your Hollywood movie, then we'll have this moment when everyone else in the world realizes Iran did it. Can we do that? Can we now sign with China? Can we now do a belt and road initiative? And can we actually get rid of our IMF debt? Seems like there's a way now. It seems like there's a path. How do we do that? Well, we need. We need to deconstruct all of the things that made sanctions possible. We need to deconstruct the swift system for the rest of the world. We need to take away the layers that propped up the petrodollar, which is opec. People see it as who just left.
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B
OPEC didn't someone just leave opec, UAE
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A
just left OPEC and they got an FX swap line. What that means in simple terms is the way the euro dollar system works is that if you get access to the Federal Reserve FX swap lines, which is where you deposit your currency and they lend you dollars and the Fed creates those dollars, it's handing over the creation of dollars to an alternative central bank. And so that's an exclusive club. That was for the bank of Japan, the European Central bank, the bank of England, the bank of Canada and the Swiss Central Bank. Now an FX swap line was given to uae. That means that UAE can now create dollars. And so if they want to have the guarantee of the Federal Reserve System. But within UAE and who are uae, they're the center of circumventing sanctions globally. Iran does all of their trade through uae and we're meant to believe they're at war right now. But all of this sanction circumvention happens via uae, via Hong Kong, via Singapore, and all of the gold to oil routes. And what else did UAE get? Well, so we've got an FX swap line, so it now can have a system that's guaranteed by the Federal Reserve. And that was framed as, oh, UAE is in so much distress, they're about to die. And we bailed them out. They've got $250 billion in reserves and $2 trillion of U.S. assets. And the average American is struggling with the cost of energy because of the closure of Australia. For me, their bills are going through the roof. And they're meant to believe that they're bailing out uae. What else did it get? Yeah, so then it came out of opec. OPEC was the other half of the petrodollar. It was the agreement by the International Monetary Fund, the Post World War II Bretton woods order, where you would take your dollars that you priced in oil, so you would sell your oil for dollars and then you would reinvest them into U.S. treasuries. But the bit that most people don't know is that then it sticks within the Federal Reserve System, so they can sanction them or wipe them away. That gives America its control. And then what you have to do with the yield on the Treasuries, you have to reinvest it in U.S. companies. And so your defense contract was you have to spend it into the US stock market. Then it comes back with US companies getting contracts and they build a foreign base. And then they say, we'll protect the petrodollar.
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B
It feels like things are breaking Apart, but it actually sounds like they're consolidated.
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A
Exactly. Well, you've broken the petrodollar. The petrodollar no longer has that system. What else did UAE get? It just so happens that the bank for International Settlements was creating a network of central bank digital currencies called Enbridge. That Enbridge project was transferred over to uae and UAE have a network of central bank digital currencies that connect Saudi Arabia, China, Thailand and, and UAE and Hong Kong. Then we got announcement from Hong Kong just the last few weeks that Hong Kong is now taking on the infrastructure of the gold clearing system for derivative products that used to be in London. And so now Hong Kong is starting to get the ability to issue these gold derivatives that aren't backed by physical gold. That is the same scam that happened in the west. And it's integrated into China's, the Shanghai gold market. And so there's another thing that's, that's built up here. Oh, you know, you've got a network of CBDCs that plug into China's CBDC, all clearing via UAE. They've all got their system there. You've got the petrodollar. That is now what happened 11 months prior to UAE leaving OPEC. They signed an energy pricing agreement with BRICS. And so now you've got this. And what is the end result of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz? Iran, who's the largest sovereign bitcoin miner in the world, that mines bitcoin at the cheapest rate in the world, backed by nuclear energy. We're meant to be negotiating nuclear weapons when in the end they're going to have for the first time a capitulation on their ability to have a nuclear, civilian nuclear energy program. And then when you remove sanctions, which is what's being negotiated, what happens then? Well, you've got 2 to 4 million barrels of oil for an OPEC member because Iran is in OPEC now. That's moving all over to brics, who joined BRICS right prior, like a year prior to this, uae, Iran and Egypt. Saudi did a holdout and said, we'll be an observer. And then what did we get? We had October 7th. Then the IMF bribed Egypt and said, we'll cancel your $18 billion debt if you ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. Egypt said, no, that's a big claim. That's exactly what happens. This is like the plans were all released, the whole ethnic cleansing. The plan was to put all of the Palestinians in the Sinai Desert and then expand the war into Egypt.
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B
Well, so I'm aware of that. When you say ethnically cleanse.
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A
I was ethnically cleansed. Doesn't mean genocide. Yeah, no, it also means the Palestinians move somewhere else. Yeah, you move them, expel them or whatever. So that was what they were meant to do. But then prior to that, what happened? China normalized between Iran and Saudi Arabia. You had all those trade agreements. UAE was doing all the trade flows for all the sanctions, circumvention. You had all these gold markets. You had gold that was completely flowing out of the west and into the East. When you look at all these flows, you had Egypt that decided they took Gulf country money and they took China Belt and Road Initiative money and they stopped taking IMF money. And then they didn't accept the ethnic cleansing. And then we had this whole tit for tat between UAE and Iran. We also had a tit for tat between UAE and Saudi Arabia. Good cop, bad cop. Good cop, bad cop. And what did they all destroy? They destroyed the infrastructure of the American bases and they destroyed energy infrastructure. Very specifically and very targeted.
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B
So do you see this all like Neo sees the Matrix? Do you just see it all?
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A
I see, yes. I mean to me this is an alternative to World War 3, which is that world leaders recognizing that World War III can't happen, they negotiate better outcomes. And who is the world leader in the West? Well, I've already said in previous episodes, that's private corporate interest. That's military industrial complex, financial industrial complex, technical industrial complex. So when you go to a meeting between Xi Jinping and Trump, what happens? You get the executives of all the banks, the fic, you get the executives of all the technology companies, the tick and they sit down for a check in report with Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party on how they're splitting up the world and how these new energy routes moving us to this multipolar world, while they build out an AI center with a few rug pools built in. And this is what I'm trying to say, the rug pools that are built into this. How was the Belt and Road Initiative funded? It was funded by selling US treasuries. So they went from one point, China's position went 1.4 trillion down to 650 billion. Now all of that was invested in the countries that built all the alternative routes, all the train routes, the port routes, the shipping routes, all the alternative was all built out. And so you can see that everything's been split up. And then we get a very interesting sequence of events. You know, Nord Stream, Pipelines, blown up. That subordinates Europe. Europe and Germany, you know, forces them into LNG contracts. Renewable energy. What's renewable energy? It's all powered by electricity. So Europe doubles down into its renewable energy. We get Nord Stream pipeline. We get Ukraine war, Russia war. What happens with Venezuela? You could see before Venezuela, the Iran assets were being moved, the Russian assets were being moved. China was building up all of its oil reserves and it was allowed to happen. We also had the same happen in Syria. Iran allowed it to happen. Russia allowed it to happen. China allowed to have it happen.
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B
Okay, I've got a question. So what's happening with Cuba? What's that part of it?
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A
Well, the western hemisphere is MCVIC and TICK owned and so an energy crisis is needed. So you choke off all of its oil supply with Venezuela. You then do a beta test for crimes against humanity and people not being able to go to hospitals, people not being able to travel. If you want energy in Cuba, you have to download an app and it will give you your allocation. You probably have your carbon, you know, your carbon credit score, you know, and you destroy the currency and you, you, you get, you agree with Russia and China. Is this McVick and ticks part of the world? They'll say, well, I want Ukraine, I want Taiwan. They split the world up. They agree. What's going to happen?
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B
China's getting Taiwan.
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A
Taiwan, definitely. China's getting Taiwan, which is why they're building the infrastructure for chip independence. So you get an investment in intel, you get Biden that signed the chips agreement. So you invest 50 billion in chip infrastructure and independence. This is multi government. You can see it from Trump to Biden to Trump.
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B
They're like, don't take Taiwan yet. Let's build out our fabs.
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A
Taiwan. Yeah, Taiwan. China's getting close to CHIP independent and America's going to be building their CHIP independence and then Taiwan's just not that important.
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B
What happened to Thomas Massie? Is that a side gig?
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A
Thomas Massie? So he was taken down by the Israeli lobby. There is a faction of power that is still the old neocons, the radical Zionists in Israel, and even factions of the IRGC that create the strategic tension that justifies all the war in the Middle east, that circle neocons in America, the funding of resistance that justifies war. And Israel always pretending that they're about to be taken out and you need to protect the Jews. So they build an army, they get population growth and they expand and justify wars, destabilize. That faction is, I would say, the power Faction aligned with the military industrial complex, which is more nationalistic. That's like the boomers that remember the dollar's old day. The financial industrial complex is more global. It's transnational, it's sovereign wealth funds, it's China, it's Goldman Sachs, it's JP Morgan, it's, you know, it's all that transnational capital. So they're global in nature. They're like the globalists, let's call them. And then you've got the technical industrial complex is the one world government. And so you've got, what you're seeing here with all of these wars is a MCFIC and tick military financial technology. They're taking all of America's assets and they're building them in all of these different centers. And so that's the multipolarity movement away from making the dollar less relevant, but asset stripping as you're taking away the dollar, putting all the value into the stock market. Fiscal dominance, rolling over the debt, quantitative easing, the AI narrative. You need to manufacture a pump and dump cycle. Everything you need there.
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B
Is this just the way the world works? Is it like, don't be a baby, this is the way the world works? Suck it up.
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A
This is the way the world has always worked. The British Empire was the Dutch East India, the British East India Company, the Bank of England, the government taking on the debt and the people that needed to buy into a narrative. That's the British Empire. Steal all the assets, steal all the resources, manufacture war until you've taken all the assets and then hand over to a new empire, which was the American empire.
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B
We just have newer technologies to do it with. But it's exactly the same.
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A
Exactly the same. Before it was ships, now it's artificial intelligence.
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B
Okay, so then what does that mean for the average Joe? You know, just a normal guy who's finding life getting more expensive is like, this is just the reality of life. The money we don't have trickle down, we have trickle up.
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A
Yes.
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B
All that happens is money is going to get extracted from, from you through purchasing power. And you've got to find a way of, I don't know, a life that works for you. Yeah, it's a big club and you're not in it.
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A
Well, okay, so examples of things that have worked. Firstly, you vote with your money. Politics is gone. Like if you're, if you're wasting time on politics, I think you're wasting vital energy.
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B
That's literally half my life, man.
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A
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I find it interesting because I, I only got In I only really looked at politics once. I'd already made it like. And, and, and I do think that the, the politics isn't. I think it's a waste of time. I really do think it's a waste of time for most people. You need to build for yourself and it starts with you and your family and your community. And that's like where you need to build outwards.
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B
You've got to understand the game, the system, and build within that.
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A
The things to understand about the system is that capital is to subordinate you. So if you take on debt, it's because you are the product of someone else. Someone else is at. You are the asset of someone else and you are the product. So when you take it on, you have to have a very clear reason why you're taking it on. And it better make you more money than the interest you're paying and it better lead to an asset that gets you ahead of the game or just don't touch it. If you are selling shares in your company, it's subordination to whoever's buying those shares. And it moves as a spectrum until finally you're a public company and you are the system. So these are. Capital is subordination. Is there a way that you can utilize all the things that you talked about with AI to really do the opposite of what Silicon Valley and the American and British American Empire would tell you to do? So they'll tell you that you've got to build a ginormous company, become a public company. Employers employ lots and lots of people. It starts with venture capital, then it goes to pe, then it goes to public offering. Can you just build a micro business given the fact that you can utilize all these AI tools? And can you avoid the subscription services to the extent possible by building stuff now? You start with the subscriptions, but then maybe you replace them one at a time. You will have choices.
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B
Go for it. The two choices are you are it's had a blue pill, red pill, right? Yeah, you take the blue pill, you're subordinate to that system can have a great life within it if you manage to somehow beat the inflationary trap. Or you become a sovereign and then you're outside of the system and you can probably find happiness in both. I mean, there's a lot of people subordinate to a system that don't think about it like you do that would listen to a podcast like this and go, well, he's just fucking crazy. That's not true. That's not like who I vote for will change my life. And yeah, well, we'll get better and go to work. And then, you know, they earn their ways, they collect their pension and then die. They might be perfectly happy with that. And then there's a few of us that look at this and go, this is.
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A
Yeah, but it's not working. You can see on the macro that what looks like happiness.
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B
Oh, I think, I mean, I think this country's depressed.
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A
Exactly. I agree.
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B
I think we have got large scale national depression.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I think we're having a rise of both left wing and right wing populism and.
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A
And that's the same in America, by the way.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So even if you've got the here's the capitalist system and then let's say European and UK has kind of been a fallen empire and we know what it's like. We're a bit more skeptical. The Americans are still holding on to we rule the world. Look, Trump is kicking ass, stealing all the oil. We're going to win, we got the oil, everyone else is going to die. If you still got a bit of that in you, you're still looking at the statistics across America and it is an absolute pandemic in terms of how people are.
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B
So in some ways the anti capitalist socialists have got a point in that. This is an ugly system. It's okay if you want to play it. Some people want to play the game, they're happy to play the game. But it's an ugly system that needs a lot of subordinate people. And I've been like shouting, we need free market capitalism. And it's like we're never going to get it. So do we need a new term? Do we need sovereign capitalism?
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A
Okay, maybe we do need a new term, but I completely reject that. The Ricardian banksters that created the economic psyop that indoctrinated our education system in order to create a science called economics that took out the most important thing, which is the foundation of money, and built a nation of investment bankers and central bankers and FIC employees that all are preserving the system had anything useful to tell us in the first place. And that whole capitalism versus communism was a psyop to justify war. And it was funded by the same bankers people think of China and Russia. Communism was a creation of the East. Communism was a creation of the West. Communism was created. Communism and capitalism and socialism was a construct and words and labels put on models that are completely disjointed from reality. I know, I spent four years studying them and it wasn't until I left there that I understood Actually how economics works. And these labels of capitalism, communism are completely designed to create another left and right paradox to make you think that the solution is to keep changing the system. But in the end, it's the money. Like you started in the right place, the what Bitcoin did podcast. It is the money that determines. And capitalism and communism and socialism are designed to feed the same central banking system, and they came from the same place.
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B
But we can, we can agree that communism is the worst model, the most dysfunctional economic model. Can we not agree that?
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A
I think communism and the version of capitalism built on central banking leads to the same result.
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B
What result was that?
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A
The result is the concentration of power upwards. One happens faster, one happens slower.
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B
Sure. But is one 1984 and one is brave new world? Like, do we get brave new world in the capital?
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A
One is ruled by government, the other is ruled by companies, ruled by banks.
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B
Sure. But in the more.
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A
And in the, in the banks version, you don't know who's in charge.
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B
But in the capitalist version, we do get the creation of more wealth and prosperity and productivity. And those productivity games do disseminate down to society. And even the poorest people have got laptops and mobile phones. And like, no one really goes hungry in this country. Sure. And it's worth pointing out, and I'm not minimizing it, there are kids whose parents cannot feed them probably the three meals they want. But generally speaking, no. No one in this country is starving to death. It doesn't happen. Whereas it would have historically. But in communist societies, we have had people starve to death. We've had tens of millions. Like, can we not recognize it?
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A
Yeah, absolutely. But, but, but let's look at, let's not look at the extremes because, because they never are what they say. Like, the communist model is never communism and the capitalist model is never capitalism. Look at the countries. So as a country, you have resources and you have ways of allocating those resources. And where there is a deficit, you have to go to another country and you have to build a partnership in order to figure out how to solve that. There are models that came from economics that were specifically designed to subordinate and steal resources from other countries. And they called it capitalism, they called it neoliberalism, they called it IMF loans, they called it whatever they want to call it, but it was a mechanism for ensuring that your resources come to us and we get to build product from it. And by building product from it, we get the margin and we get to sell it back to you. But we lend you the money in order to buy it back from us. And then you have starvation, but you send us your food. You know, this was not an accident. That was a deliberate model of ensuring that they could never. That the, you know, the. The price of goods is going up, but the commodities are effectively giving you less and less margin. So you get poorer and poorer and poorer if you're just selling your commodities and not manufacturing something. Now, the countries that didn't manufacture it wasn't because they thought communism was a good idea. Because if you look at China, the communism was funded by the Soviet Union. Where did the Soviet Union come from? That was the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks was to take away capitalism from Russia because Russia had the right model, which was a mix of using your resources to ensure. And Singapore is the best model. I've always thought Singapore is the best model in the world. Singapore, when it decolonized, said, before we go. And I told Bekele this when I went to El Salvador as well. Before we go, before we do this, they made sure that there was a program that all the local Singapore people would end up with their houses and land the opposite of what they did in Hong Kong. And if you go to Hong Kong, I lived there for years. You go underground, I went under there. There are coffin box houses of the local Cantonese that were shoved underground in tunnels and pushed out to the islands, while all the largest population of billionaires own all the real estate. You would call that capitalism. In Singapore, they said, no, we're going to make sure that you have a program that you end up with your real estate and you end up with your land. And they did that before they grew and they made sure they pushed everyone into it. You would. Some would call that socialism. They pushed everyone into it. And Even in China, 95% of people own their land and real estate. Then they became in Singapore, they felt like they were shareholders. Imagine. Imagine if that was done in El Salvador. Right? Imagine if before inviting all the wealthy bitcoiners in, you made sure that every Salvadorian had a program where they would end up with the benefits of the increase in the property price and land price as El Salvador transforms itself. Instead of now having the wealthy bitcoiners come over and take over all the land and buy everything and create the next Hong Kong, you actually implemented a little bit of what's right. And we've always seen this. You can see this in capitalism, Right.
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B
Isn't that what the guy wanted to do in Honduras? I can't remember his name.
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A
Yes. And what happens to them they always get assassinated.
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B
They get assassinated. And they went to war with El Salvador.
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The story of every single war in the world is when someone tried to do that. They said, what's Iran's biggest, what's the thing that they've done? That was the crime that, that was unforgivable. They nationalized their oil and said, we want to do what Saudi does. You know, we want our oil to mean that you pay no tax and then you can all create capitalism and create as many companies and we don't need to tax you. And that's why every country you go through every single war, it's someone tried to use their resources or tried to distribute their assets in a way where they couldn't be given at complete with no margin to the West. And that's every war. So if you.
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B
So we're the bad guys.
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A
I don't think that. I think the, the people are also victims of the same system. I don't. Victims is not the right word. There is a subordination network and it serves the central banking system and the Dutch created it, the British created it and we put it in America and it was designed to produce exactly what we're getting and it created all the wars and made sure that people were in a constant state of poverty so that we could have their resources by design, deliberately now the people were the product. We became debt slaves. And we either figured out how to use debt in order to own real estate so that we could get on the right side. And you became one of the boomers that actually kind of beat the system. But you worked for the bank. So you either become part of the system and who are the ones right now that are just saying, just print, just qe, just get those stocks up, you know, just, I'll let my children have my house.
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B
Juice it, baby.
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A
Yeah, just please don't break anything. Yeah, just don't break anything. It's the people that were co opted into the system where all their wealth. And I'm just about to retire, I need that. That pension's got like 2 million, 3 million, you know, just juice it for me, man.
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B
Yeah.
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And the kids are just saying, oh man, just crash it. I just want to buy a house, just crash it. Like I want, I want to buy it. And they're like, no, don't worry, you're going to have it. And then the government says, well I'm going to tax it and we're going to inherit and tax it, you know, and then we're going to sort a wealth tax to make you sell it. And then we're going to tell BlackRock that they can buy it because they can create a corporate structure where they don't have to pay the tax or
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B
we're going to create an exit tax. So you just have to stay here and suck it up.
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A
Yeah, yeah. And build your business based upon, you know, and you look at every restaurant across, they just work for the bank, they just work for the landlord, dude.
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B
I went out in London recently. Bear in mind, I used to work down here. I had my advertising agency in Covent Garden. And you know, when you work in advertising and you run the company, you have a lot of meals up. And during that period, we're talking 14, 15 years ago, under was busy Hawks. You could not get into Hawksmoor in Covent Garden on the day. Just wouldn't happen. Right. Anyway, I had a night out in London the other day. It was a Thursday night and I went to an Italian restaurant and it was half full. Now this is a good Italian restaurant that used to be probably full on a Tuesday, half full. Service was crap. The meal was 350 quid for two people. We had a bottle of Prosecco, okay, 350 quid. I was like, that's interesting. Went to Opium for a drink afterwards. Down in Chinatown, there's these two, like different bars, Opium and the Experimental Cocktail Bar. They're the kind of place where there's just a door and you only know about it if you know about it and there's a guy at the door and you say, used to turn up at these and say, can I come in? They go, have you got a book? And say, no, you can't get it now. You just turn up and you get in. Three floors are over going now. Only one floor is open. Eight people were in there. We had four cocktails and it was 115 quid for four cocktails. I was like, that's expensive. Then went to where to go after that. Ronnie Scott's. Ronnie Scott's used to be my favorite place to go. I never used to go and watch jazz shows. I used to go the upstairs where it was kind of like a bar but more of a disco. And you'd have random stuff, guy reading poetry or I don't know, like a random band playing. And it would be packed. There'd be eighty hundred people in there all night. They've refurbed it. They spent 4 million, I think, on a refurb and they've made it like downstairs. So it's a proper like lampitheatre. It's beautiful, what they've done. Fifteen people were in there and. And that evening, I reckon I spent about 6, 700 quid. Yeah. It's a big night out without being a big night out. You know, like, normally you plan a big night out, hotel and things. That was. That's a night that would have cost me back when I used to work here, 300 quid.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I can't believe the amount of money I've spent.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Everywhere is half full or empty. Everything's really expensive. There's no. Yeah. There's no rich young. Because London was propped up by rich young people.
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A
Yeah.
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B
They're not. How. They're not doing things. I was like, london's cooked. Yeah, we're done.
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A
Yeah. And. And think what, like, let's bring it back down to that. So what. What are the three things that the strait of vermice closure did? Well, it created food price inflation off the scale. Yep. So that was. The second one was energy. And then it stopped the possibility of rate cuts. And so you create an inflationary spiral that then requires rate hikes.
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B
No one can make any money at the moment.
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So think about the average person. You got food, interest and energy.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So you've wiped all them out.
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B
Yes.
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And the people at the top. Well, yeah. I don't care what you charge me, I'll pay for it. I'll complain about it, but I'll pay for it.
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B
But there's like, a lack of disposable income is hollowing out the country. This is why I think the country's depressed. A lot of people, unemployed people. Just what's the point in working now?
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, surely there's an end state where they go, hold on. How subordinate can we create this country?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Or is it just no choice? You, like, you don't have a choice. You've got to live. You've got to. Basically, you've got to live. So. So you've got to go to work and you need to, you know, feed yourself and warm your home, whatever, but you're not going to have a holiday and fuck you, because, like, all right, go die.
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A
Well, they want you to either be homeless, which means you're useless to them at this stage. You don't have a dress, you can't take on debt, you're no longer useful to us. Or they need you. Your job pays the maximum amount in interest, in energy and in food, ideally just interest, and you. You pay the rest through more debt. Or you give us all your money and we manage it.
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B
For you and angry enough to keep voting.
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A
Yes. And, and. And then you need to create the fake enemy. You know, originally it was the communists. And I'm not saying that communists aren't an enemy, it's a horrible ideology. But it was the same, created by the same people. And so you have the communist energy. When that got too tired, you created the terrorists. When the terrorists got too tired, you created the immigrants. And so that's the narrative. It's the radical lefts, it's the far right. Mix them all up, put them in a pot, fund people to lead movements that use algorithms in order to galvanize them, build their social credit score, and you've got them all looking at the wrong enemy. And really, it is a systemic system of subordination that our governments, you know, even just focusing on the government, you've got to go. Once you get a layer above government, pretty much everything makes sense. And that's. That was the aha moment for me.
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B
So. Right. Okay. So Keir Starmer. Yeah, his. His worth is gone. We're going to get in Andy Byrne and is going to be allowed to come in. Who's going to raise capital gains tax to be level with income tax, and he's going to do a wealth tax and he's just going to extract more money.
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Yeah. Or you get the other far right side, which will say, guess what is the immigrants, it's the Muslims. We're going to have a white nationalist movement. And then you get a civil war. And then they engineer that. The MI6 will make that happen.
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B
We're so fucked. What?
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A
So then you go, what's the layer up? The layer up is you vote with your money, and that's where. That's where the change happens. So what is your job now? What is your job? Recognize the system as it is.
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B
What is my job now right now, Mr. Podcast Man?
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A
It's difficult, right, Because I think you. This is my analysis, and you can tell me whether I'm wrong. So you started on the bitcoin side. You figured everything out about bitcoin. It put you in a position where you can observe this system without being subordinate to it. Then you covered all the scams and psyops and alternatives and got everyone away from the bad behavior. Then we have the Wall street takeover. You end up having to sponsor some central. I went through the same journey.
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B
Yeah. You know, it's like this is your life.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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Then you realize, okay, you know, you have to support a bit of that, but hopefully everyone gets a bitcoin in self custody. In the end, then you realize this is boring. How many times can I talk about bitcoin? I think we figured this shit out now, how it works.
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B
A little bit of that, but a little bit of like, oh, now I see how the system works. I want to go back and throw some hand grenades into it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like fix it.
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A
Yeah. And that's that place we talked about in the beginning, which is wealth, influence, podcast traffic, wealth, fu. Money, and the ability to sit down with people and actually have the conversations that you're not meant to have. And so I think you're on track.
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B
I'm on track.
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A
I think you're on track. But at some point, I feel like we're in a situation where I think the actions that everyone takes for the next five years is really going to define them. And I think you're right. Understanding how the system work is really depressing, and it can take you to a really dark place.
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B
It has.
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A
Yeah, yeah. But that dark place has to go to the next level where you're like, right, I understand how it works. I know the rules. I'm not distracted with what they want me to focus on. So how do we help as many people as possible manage this transition? Which is, I think you're saying, Simon, we've done two podcasts on the really crazy shit. You're either people believe you at this stage or they don't. You're either a wacky conspiracy theorist or you figured it out, or you're somewhere in the middle and everyone's got their own opinion based upon their own backgrounds, their own experiences. This is the best of my thinking. But once you know, you can break it down to pretty simple rules, which is lean into. The whole Monopoly board is being thrown up by, I believe, an agenda to build a police and surveillance state of programmable money, social credit scores, and artificial intelligence. Right. It is what it is. You're not going to stop is what it is. So what do we do with that? Well, we try to figure out the decentralized version. Maybe that happens, maybe it doesn't. But in the meantime, we need to make as much money from this AI thing as possible.
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B
Have I taught you about the golden pill?
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A
No.
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B
Okay, so I arrived in the world of Bitcoin. Blue pill just, like, ran into a world of people with ideas, who'd read books I'd never heard. I'd never heard of hierarchy. I didn't even know what libertarianism was. I didn't know what central banks were like, what they did. I just know any of this. I ran in blue pilled into a wall of red pilled people to go, you're a fucking idiot. How do you not know this? I was like, I don't know it. I'm just, just a Mormon from Bedford who started a podcast because I bought some bitcoin and then I became red pilled. I was like, I really understand this system. And then before I went red pill, I went white pilled. I was like, okay, I'm going to do some good. Ran into a wall of bureaucracy and, and lies and reality that can do anything about. Then I went super black pilled. I got like, I got dark. And I actually lost my motivation over the long. And I've been ever since Simon. I was like, I could deliver a newspaper, I've worked and I didn't just have one paper round at three paper rounds. And I got a job in a shop. And then at 18 I was like, make me the manager. And then I went to uni and I quit, started building websites. And then I started an agency and like I've done okay, not super successful, but the agency had 40 people. Then I did that and started a podcast. Gonna make it the biggest podcast. Like I've, I've never stopped working, putting the hours in. And over the last year I lost all my motivation. Did I would. I used to get up at 6 in the morning, work all day. I'd be getting up at 7, 8, drop the kid off at school, go, go to the gym, probably start work about 10, 30, do five hours, I can't be bothered, cooked dinner. I was quite happy, really happy with that. And then when this AI thing, I've got my mojo back and I'm again getting back up at 6, I'm working 14, 15, 16 hours. I can build something, I can see something. And somebody said to me, it's like, you've been through all this, you've done the black pill, you've been, you need the golden pill. It's like, what's the golden pill? It's like that is kind of your hope. That is you, that's you. You've had every pill. You know how it works, you know the system works and you have a choice of blue pill. We don't want to do it. You've understood through the red pill. You've had your depressing Blackpool moment, you've had your white pillar. Now it's like the golden pill is like, this is reality and I'm going to build my world in it. Yes. And I like that idea.
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A
I'm Going to use that. Yeah. I think I'm in the golden.
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B
You are in the. Like, I'm behind you, like, every time I talk to you. I mean, Connor, get in the car. And we go. And we go, fuck this. We should do what we want. We should. And then I just get sucked back in a little bit. Yeah, get sucked back in a little bit. But I have got my mojo back with this AI thing. And I want people to know about AI, Like, I want them to know about Bitcoin. I'm like, you should know about Bitcoin and you should be buying bitcoin. You should be protecting yourself and understanding the system. But also you should be building with AI Because I do think what, what's going to happen is this. It's like a gold rush, really. I've got an idea for a company. I'm not going to tell you it, but I've got an idea for a company doesn't exist. I can build it. If you'd asked me to do this like five years ago, like, well, I need to go to Andres and how it's. I need to ask for $10 million and give away 30% of my business and then find a tech director and, you know, in three months we'll have a MVP and, you know, go on that journey. I can build this entire product on my own in a week.
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A
This is the golden pill.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so the golden pill is who's important to me, who do I want to spend my time with? Like, you know,
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B
it's.
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A
We were shamed. The Silicon Valley culture shamed people for building out a family business.
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B
It was.
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A
No, no, you need to take the funding, you need to take Silicon Valley. You need to go down this path. And you can have 5% of a billion dollar company or you can have 100% of a company that goes bust.
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B
Right.
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A
That was like the whole thing.
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B
But you'll get your Ferrari, your objects.
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A
The people that I meet right now is the people that are in that. Okay, I've got a small. Thank God I didn't get there. Thank God I didn't hire 7,000 people. Thank God I haven't got that massive infrastructure. And I'm trying to deal with HR and figuring out how to change this. And so that's it. There is a global agenda to take us to the most centralized version of control grid that the world could they. That will ever see. And even if it happens, which I believe it will, even if it happens, it doesn't matter if you're sovereign. And so let's get back to what's the root of being sovereign? Well, it's actually a small business with a family and you're supporting the people that are most important to you. And I get to say, I don't, you know, you know, I can go to my brother in law and say, you know, work for us. Disrupt yourself with AI and we'll carry on. I'm not going to let you, I'm not going to let you go. You'll have an income for life.
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B
You know, it's like we spend that whole of all of our life running towards this imaginary goal and some of us hit it, right? And you hit it and you go, oh, nothing changed.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I, I, I kind of see, look, I am working my balls off again. But I kind of see happiness as slowing down time. And you slow down time, you stop chasing things.
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A
But, but I never stopped the working my ass off. I just changed what I was working on.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So there was a moment when I was like, okay, you know, I've done the, I've done the career thing, I've done the business thing, I've done the investing thing. But then I just started working my ass off on content for, with no real purpose other than I just wanted to do it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then it was like, okay, you know what, that sounds like a good idea. I definitely can't be bothered to do that, but if you want to do it, let's do it. And that's kind of where I am right now. And then. Yeah. To have the ability of all the things that you said to actually be able to do this with like on your own, with all these services, using AI for all of the things. And you know, even when I was working my, even when I was trying to figure out how the world worked, like I was just deep into studying every war and figuring out what happened there and what was the, what was the real story. But the working never stopped. And this is kind of where you enter into an overarching philosophy. And I, I found my overarching philosophy which helped me, which is that life, you don't fix the world like we always enter into.
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B
Right.
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A
We're going to fix everything. We're going to get to this utopia, right. And suddenly we're going to enter into this golden age or whatever. I don't think that's what life is. I think that life is, and I always call it a test. And the test is I'm going to throw you some of the most evil shit and the most amazing and you're either going to lean into it and become more evil and more good. And you have to define what this good and evil thing is. And you know in your soul, in. In your soul what that is. Because when you do bad shit, you know it internally that you weren't meant to do that. I can talk about many, many moments when I was doing things that I knew internally that wasn't the right thing to do, but I managed to create a narrative in my head that that's the right thing to do in order to allow me to do it.
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B
Do you still do it at all?
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A
I think I've codified what I think good and evil is. And I know what activities I shouldn't do and what should do. And I know that I do activities that I shouldn't do that I internally struggle with that, that I haven't been able to resolve in myself.
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B
Because there is a certain. Yes, it's a test. Yeah, but there's a. Like, there's a privilege of money that allows you to stop, breathe and actually make those decisions. You can see how, you know, the endless bad decisions people make make on that philosophical scale. Because, I mean, what would be a great example? I don't know, somebody who works at a newspaper writes a shitty headline about someone's personal life because they want to get up that career ladder. And like, so they do that article, they write that headline, they. Yeah, or even us, you know, I'm going to. What is. What is the title for this show that gets the most people in to watch it? Is it the right title? Or is it the. You know, is it a dishonest title? Like, yeah, the one that comes to my mind is this is how the World Works. That's quite an honest title. It's just saying this is the way the world works. If we put out three titles, we test this is how the world works or you're fucked and going to be poor and you're fucked is going to be poor is going to work better. Do I leave that on? Even though it depresses people, gives them no hope, sends them in with the wrong mindset. Like, these are the little choices.
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A
Yeah, they're definitely. And sometimes you're conflicted because there's no real. There's. There's not a good answer.
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B
Right.
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A
You're like, well, if I give it this title, then I'm only going to help this number of people. If I give it that title, I'm going to help a lot more people.
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B
That's what I said. He said, advertise a juicy Cheeseburger and then deliver a fillet steak. Said like, that's the game you're going to play. But there's loads of those decisions that happen every single day. And some of them, I think you make them in autopilot. But the world incentivizes a lot of bad decisions.
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A
Sometimes the place that I've ended up in is that I want to be as truthful as possible, even if it's against my own self interest.
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B
That's a very cool place to be.
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A
And sometimes, sometimes you know how you can massage your analysis to meet your worldview?
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B
Sure.
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A
I'll give you an example. Like my analysis on the Iran war, which I've just obsessed over for whatever reason, because three years ago I said, I want to figure out why all these wars happened. And that became my obsession for three years. And then I wanted to test it in real time with the Iran war and figure out how much I could like, predict what might happen. Yeah, every. The what. My analysis on the Iran war pisses off everybody. It pisses off the. The people that are fans of Iran, the people that think that the resistance is the moral position. It pisses off sometimes. I can't tell you how, how much I despise everything about Israel after I. That's what radicalized me. I watched every day of the genocide
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B
Israel or the Israeli government.
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A
The Israeli government. And in the indoctrination of the people that I believe, this is where you get one of those unpopular narratives. Because really they radicalized the Jews that came to Israel and they are victims of their own indoctrination that was used in order to recruit them to the IDF and what happened to Jewish people in their history. That's really unpopular if you talk about things like that, because then someone wants to immediately say, oh, you're a Zionist shill. I'm like, there's nothing you could say that's more offensive to me than that. You know what I mean? Because I've. I watched this in 4k every day. But then sometimes it's true. That could be true. Like, for example, what happened to Iran by the British and American empire is evil. But what Iran has also done in reaction to that has caused a lot of problems in the region.
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B
But people are always forced to pick a side. It's a bit like, like this Gad sad episode with Rogan. It's a car crash, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I like Gadsad. I want to read the book Suicide of Empathy. It's a. It's an interesting concept. I like Rogan. I Watched a lot of his shows, but I'd watched this one and it was horrible. It was a car crash of rationalization and gaslighting from Gad. Sad because he has to pick a side now. Did he has to pick a side because he's been indoctrinated? I mean, he's not Israeli. He's Lebanese. Right? I think he's Lebanese, but. Or does he have to pick a side because he's worried about being canceled criticism like I was. I've got tweets going back five, six years saying, free Gaza. Yeah. Not popular in some areas, but I was just always of the view, like, both sides just stopped killing each other. Maybe I'm very naive. And look, they're just. Outside of the terrorists and the idf, there are a bunch of people who are just getting killed. Just, can we stop killing each other, please? And I always felt like what's happened to the Palestinians was kind of gross. They were living in a prison state. And I watched an excellent documentary on how terrible life is. And I've seen the pictures before and after the. Like, it's just. So I put out Free Gaza. And I would be told you're anti Semitic. This and that. You shouldn't say this. And it's like, really, I can't just say, these people need to be free. And so I wonder if people just. I wonder if Gadsad was he. Does he feel trapped? Does he believe it? I don't know. It's just the Overton window certainly shifted.
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A
See, that's the thing. So many things can be true, right? So I tried to say, what happened to Iran is evil. What Iran did in certain reactions is evil.
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B
You didn't pick a side.
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A
Well, the. Is it true? And again, this is how I analyze in my mind right now. Is it true that once the genocide happened, that there could be an agenda to weaponize the genocide in order to make Israel look even worse than it may be? And I think you can pick a
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B
starting point in history and create whatever narrative you want from that point and. Or go back one step and say, did this happen for this? Or go back once that. Oh, but did this happen for that? Like, I think you can create a narrative for everything. And it's just. I sometimes just like, can we just stop fucking doing this? Yeah, like, I'm so over it.
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A
Exactly.
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B
You know, could we just stop killing people?
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A
But even the. Here's what I found. I've always found that I come up with a realization that I didn't. And I try and share that and Historically, when I'm right, I'm not always right. That's not what I'm saying. But when I am right, it's normally two years ahead, and then it becomes obvious in two years, and then it becomes popular. To say the thing that was so unpopular. So I talked out about, you know, that I believed that there was no. I won't say the word, but October 7th didn't have anything that was reported and gave all the evidence. And that was right at the beginning. That's quite a popular narrative now. So two years later, you can say that. And it's pretty popular today. I like to say that. So most people have now come, okay, Israel rules the world. They're the ultimate. Netanyahu owns everything. And this whole war is for that, for him. That's not true. You know, Israel and Netanyahu have their own deep state and they have their own lobbies. And when you really follow the money, everything Israel does brings money back to the US Stock market. When you really follow it. Now, that's a very unpopular message right now, because now the podcasters are popularized. America, if it were not for Israel and Zionists, we're a very ethical country, and we were forced into this and we had to be blackmailed by Jeffrey Epstein. And it's very unpopular now to actually show the real flow of money and how it comes back and how this is propping up empire. Because then they're like, oh, you're apologizing for the Zionists. You don't. You think that you're giving. You're forgiving Israel for what they know. What Israel did involves doctrination. It was fundamentally evil, but whose interests were they serving and who's. So I've hit a place where I don't give a damn what anyone says anymore. Every. Every opinion, every opinion, you'll tell me that. And all I want to do is just be consistent and tell people, this is what I think's happening. This is what I think will happen. And by the way, this is what I got wrong. And this is why I thought I got it wrong. And this is what I got right. And love it or hate it, I am who I am, and I don't give a shit anymore.
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B
Well, look, it's. It's. Something's working. You're becoming quite popular. You're getting invited on bigger and bigger shows. The shows you do have lots of downloads. The one we first did is nearly at a million. It's a massive show. It's like top five show for us of all time. I'VE seen you get an invited on other shows. You've become that banker. Oh, yeah, we get. We get Simon on. We're gonna get. But. But it's. You're becoming popular because you're saying something different as well. And you're doing it. Position, honesty. Simon, man, I love talking to you. You know, we do this every week with you. Gonna get in the car now with Connor and I'll have to fill him in. How much of it did you hear? Con, do you have any questions for Simon? Do you want to end on something big?
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A
If you were to speak to the young looking at the big world and the adulthood that they are about to step into, how do they navigate this world without becoming consumed by it? Yeah, yeah, I'd say. I think I'm at the stage right now where I think that university or college is an absolute waste of time and the worst decision you could ever make. I think that spending three years, like being indoctrinated to get a job is a really bad idea. So I think you just need to recognize that there's probably only two things that you need to know in this economy. One is that you need to own assets that beat the game. So whatever you've got left over can't be held in cash. It needs to be held in assets. And the other is the entire chessboard has been flipped up for AI and robotics. And so you either you're building shit with your hands for that infrastructure, or you're building software. You're leaning in, you're helping businesses. Every single business in the world right now needs a young kid that can help them figure out how to transition to AI. So just bring in as much money as you can learn on the move. Like there's, you know, this is. Lean into it, bring in as much money and then save it in an asset that beats the game. And probably none of us know what the world looks like in five years. And if you're from a family where the boomer made all the wealth, just hopefully you're in a country and they've got some tax efficiency and structuring where you'll end up with it. So probably everything will be okay. Anyway, I'm not a boomer and we're not in a tax haven.
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B
No.
- [103:55]
A
To get your dad to start structuring what happens after he dies.
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B
Before he dies.
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A
I think we did the maths the other day. I'm left with 2025.
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B
Yeah. Once you stake off inheritance and cap gains and everything, it's. It's pretty brutal.
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A
No and, and here's one more piece of advice. Build your wealth in a different country to the country you live in. So even if you. Most people can't afford to set up Cayman island structures and all this stuff, but even if it's just learn how to build yourself as a company and in a company you have to spend less than you earn and you have to invest the difference and put it to work. But I do recommend everyone starts looking at like, even if your business is just AI consulting, just structure it as a business. Just because you're in the uk, don't set it up as a UK company. Like set it up as a UAE company or Singapore, whatever you can afford at your stage and start running yourself as a business.
- [104:55]
B
Simon, man, we can do this as often as you like. I will have you here whenever you want. We should probably hang out, get dinner sometime as well.
- [105:05]
A
Yeah, let's do it. Thanks for having me.
- [105:07]
B
Do keep crushing, keep being successful, keep spreading the message. Me and Connor have a long chat on the way home and see where we end up. Take the golden pill. Thank you everyone for listening. We'll see you all soon.
- [105:18]
A
Yeah? Take the golden pill.