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259. More Style, Less Mess: Declutter and Decorate Your Way to a Home You Love | Shannon Acheson of Home Made Lovely
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The very first step is the gratitude one. So that's really the mindset piece of loving the home that you have, no matter where it is. Because I agree, I think you can make just about any house, any space, look and feel cozy and like home and beautiful. And then the next step of decluttering. Yeah, you cannot, no matter how much you try, you cannot decorate clutter. You also can't organize clutter. You have to get rid of the excess, especially if you're short on space.
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My name is Lisa, mother of eight and creator of the blog and YouTube channel Farmhouse on Boone. Join me as I share with you my love for creating a handmade home from scratch, cooking, and a little mom and entrepreneur life along the way. Welcome back to the Simple Farmhouse Life podcast. Today we are going to talk about decor and decluttering. All of those. I feel like a great fall topic as a lot of times we're inside more. We're starting to want our homes to be cozy but not messy, not hard to maintain with all these people in there. So I think it's a good, a good topic for the season with Shannon, who was on this podcast before. She's from Homemade Lovely, and she has a lot of great insight to share on the topic. Shannon, so great to have you back on. It's been a long time. Do you remember when you were on last? I don't even know what year month that was.
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I don't know. It would have been for one of my books. So. 2020 or 2020. When did the other one come out? 2022 maybe. I don't know. One of them.
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I don't know. I don't know which one it was. Maybe it was both.
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Me neither. Maybe I don't remember.
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Yeah. Okay, so tell us about your new book. We're going to talk about home decor and organizing and decluttering. And I think people are really thinking about that. I know as we approach Thanksgiving and Christmas, people think about it more. At least I do. We kind of get this like we're, I'm outside, I'm doing lots of gardening and homestead type stuff. A lot of people are outside. Maybe if they don't have a homestead at the pool or at the creek. And now it's, we're kind of turning into our home. So I think it's a really appropriate time to do that.
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Yeah, no, it's true. It's true. We're. We still have warm weather. So, you know, I'm not on a homestead. I'm on a tiny little lot in the suburbs. But, yeah, it's still warm. But we're definitely, you know, starting to think about fall and Christmas and, you know, all the cozy things that you get to do inside at this time of year.
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Right, yes. And so you have a new book coming out, correct?
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No, I have. I have two books out.
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You have two books out?
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I have two books out. And then I just created a new course called More Style, Less Math Course and Community. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No worries.
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B
I knew you had something that we were going to talk about.
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Yeah.
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With our home decor discussion and decluttering and all that. So tell us a bit about your course in your community.
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It's called More Style, Less Mess. So it's sort of, you know, there's five basic pillars to it. The first one is gratitude. Because a lot of times we only look at the things we dislike about our homes. And so by focusing, sort of refocusing on being grateful for even the smallest thing about your house, that's why that's the first step. Because I find that's that sort of a big mindset thing. Right. Like, that really helps the rest of the steps. And then it's decluttering and organizing and creating home habits so that you can keep things decluttered and organized. And then, of course, decorating, too. So it's sort of. It's the first time I've put them all together in something because I think it's really important to do all the things and not just a lot of times, people. I had a separate decorating course before, and people sort of just skipped over all the rest and thought they could sort of decorate around the clutter. So important.
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Yes. Yeah, that is absolutely so important. I have definitely toured houses, not just like, not other people's houses. I've toured houses where my mind is removing things. And I'm thinking, oh, if this was taken away, like, I can see how we could actually start to make this house.
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Almost.
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I want to say almost any house can be a really cute and charming house. And I completely agree with you that it does start not at throwing more at it, it actually starts before that. So, yeah, talk about that first step.
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Yeah. So the very first step is the gratitude one. So that's really the mindset piece of loving the home that you have, no matter where it is. Because I agree, I think you can make just about any house, any space, look and feel cozy and like home and beautiful. And then the next step of decluttering. Yeah. You cannot, no matter how much you try, you cannot decorate clutter. Like, you just. You can't. You also can't organize clutter. So that has to come. A lot of times people put decluttering and organizing together because they kind of do go hand in hand. But decluttering is a very separate thing. You have to get rid of the excess, especially if you're short on space. Like, if you've got all the space in the world and who cares? You keep all the extra things, but, you know, then it's not as cluttery, but you have to get rid of that excess stuff that you don't need.
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I don't know. I think you're just trying to be nice because even if you have it. Have the space, if you have any other people living in the house that have the potential to remove those things from the space that they're in. Like, unless you're living alone in a museum that you've carefully curated and things are, you know, stacked up really nice, it's going to. And they have to be pretty things, too. You know, maybe you have storage space down, tucked away in the basement or the attic. Sure. You can't really see that that almost in some ways counts as decluttering because it's not in the visual space sometimes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It depends. I mean, I feel that, like, I'm a weird. I feel that when, like, even the extra storage spaces, if they're too cluttered, like, me too.
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Yeah.
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I just. So. So, yeah. So I. Yeah, I'm not a minimalist by any stretch. Like, I like my stuff, but, like, there has to be room for it. There has to be a purpose. I want to say there has to be a purpose for it. Sometimes the purpose can be solely, like, just visual. It's beautiful. That's fine. But, like, there needs to be a purpose and a rhyme and a reason that it's there instead of just stuff everywhere. And you brought up a good point of. You know, most of us, probably everybody listening to this podcast has other people that they share at home with, and not everyone's going to put things back automatically where they got it from. And so decluttering makes a huge difference on the front end of things, for sure.
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Yeah. And a lot of times the clutter, we can't move past it. So we might want to decorate our house, make it cute, maybe throw a new throw pillow in for fall or something in for Christmas. But we can't even get past all the stuff that we're managing, and therefore, we can't even decorate at all. So maybe we think, oh, my house can't be decorated. It can't be cute because you see something there that seems permanent, that really isn't. So how do you help people to declutter? Because I know it sounds really straightforward, just get rid of stuff. But it's really not that easy.
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It's not. And the one thing is like, a lot of people will often try and handle like what, what's called sentimental clutter. Clutter first, because maybe that's the most obvious to them. Like, you know, people have given them stuff, it's been passed down, whatever. That's the last thing in decluttering that you should deal with is sentimental things. Wait until you've got some smaller sort of quick wins or like successes of decluttering under your belt before you try and deal with the sentimental things. The other, the first thing to start with is like the really easy thing. So, you know, in one of my books and on my website, I have a free list of like 50 or 100 things that you can just get rid of, like without even thinking about it, right? So that's things like old glasses, prescriptions that you know that you. It's not going to help your eyes. Like you're not going to be able to use them, right? So take them to the optometrist, take them to wherever that they will take those kind of donations and reuse them for people who need them. Other things, like all the excess cords that we have, like just stuff like that that's super easy to get rid of. Like, you don't even have to think about it. It's like this no brainer list of things. That's the best place to start because you can go through any room, any drawer, any, like wherever you want to start. And then from there you sort of go through and you go, okay, like, do I need this? Like, there's some questions you can ask yourself. Do I use this? Have I used it in the last, you know, year, six months? If it's not a seasonal thing, a year or longer, if it's a seasonal thing or if it's like you're still in the having kids kind of era, obviously you hold onto those things longer, right? Because you might need them for the. Or you will need them for the next, the next child. But if you haven't used it in a while, get rid of it. If you have more than one of them and you don't really need them. Like how many. Now this depends too. Like in my house, I don't need more than one vegetable peeler. Actually we have two because people like two different kinds of them. But anyways, like, because I peel this way and everyone else peels this way anyways. But, like, maybe in your house you need more than two because you have more than two helpers in the kitchen at a time. Right.
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Like, we just only have one kid healing.
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Okay, well, there you go.
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Like, we. I would. We have one. I would never keep two. Because, I mean, unless we're having, like, this massive mashed potato dinner. I mean, one kid can stand there and do it.
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Yeah. So, like, you don't need those extra things, Right. Like, you just, you know, you've either picked them up because things have been so cluttered and you couldn't find one once, and so you bought another one or something like that, you know, so duplicates things that don't fit anymore and they're never going to fit again. Like, you know, whatever. Like, go from the easy, easy list through the next logical things and ask yourself those questions and then move on to the things that are a little harder to get rid of. A great place to start decluttering is the bathroom.
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Yeah.
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Because, you know, there's nothing more than likely, there's nothing emotionally sort of you're attached to in a bathroom usually.
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Yeah. No, there's not. I think some people, maybe they've always had duplicates of a certain thing, and so they think that if they didn't, it would really cause a lot of chaos or big problems. But then maybe if they actually lived with only one of a certain thing for a while, they would find that it was totally fine. But it takes, like, there's this fear. And then I also think that people need to ask themselves with certain things, what would this take to replace if I did end up needing it? Like, what would it cost? How would I get it? How much hassle would it be? Could I borrow it? A lot of those questions are.
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Yeah, yeah. So in the. In the course and in one of my books, there's a list of those questions, like, and that's. That's one of them. Can you borrow it from a neighbor? Can you easily replace it without a lot of outlay of cash? Or, you know, it's hard to find. Not hard to find. So, yeah, definitely those questions. Yeah, like, that's what you need to do.
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And you talked about the. I didn't want to skim over the gratefulness for your home piece because I think that's an important part to start because. Or important place to start because if you think upfront that there's no possible way A house like this could ever be cute and cozy, you're not going to take the necessary steps, even the first step, because you're going to always imagine, well, in the next house when we get our dream home or when we're able to move here, then I'll make it that way. But I think even taking a temporary dwelling and making it, you know, with low cost ways to do that, cozy on your own, it takes first appreciating it in order to even get to that point.
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Yeah, there was. I always tell the story about we moved. We had to move back closer to the city to be near Dean's work because living anyways, living far away, it was too expensive and it was, you know, it was just really hard on him. We went through several cars in a few years, actually almost went bankrupt because it was just so expensive. So. But then moving back into the city solved a lot of that except the housing issue, right. Like we had to get a much smaller house. And it was this. We looked at all kinds of things. We looked at apartments, we looked at, you know, townhouses and condos and condo townhouses and all these things. And in the end we ended up buying this tiny little rundown war era bungalow. Now that was the ugliest house. Like, I mean, it was white, so it wasn't that bad, like that way. But like it was tiny. Like it was two bedrooms and one bathroom. We had three kids. And I could have hated that house. Like there were a lot of things wrong with that house too that we had to, you know, fix and whatever. We started a renovation on the kitchen and the bathroom that backed onto each other and the floor was rotted. Like, I could have hated that house, but partly because I had to, because I had no other choice, I decided that I was going to look for the things about that house. Obviously we fixed the things that were, you know, necessarily or dangerous for family or whatever. Like, obviously we fix those things. But otherwise everything else had to wait because we spent all the money on the, you know, the necessary things.
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Yeah.
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And. And so I decided I was going to love that house. I was going to look for the things that I. That, you know, that I could love about it. And at first it was just, we had a roof over our head, we were closer to Dean's work and the kids had a yard to play in. Like that was why we chose that house over a condo, right? Like, yeah, the location. And so I would like but location. But I would list the individual things so that I could. I had something to Focus on and slowly over attitude began to change in that house. And over time, we did get to do some of the other things. And, you know, that's a house that our friends literally told us after the fact, thought we were crazy for buying. That house ended up being, like, the start of my business, the start of my blog. It was featured on television, of all things.
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Oh, my word. Yes.
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Yeah. Like, but it literally, like, I wish I had a picture I could show you. But, like, it was literally this tiny little white bungalow that was just run down and a disaster, and people thought we were nuts for buying it, but because we chose to be grateful, it made a huge difference. Like, a huge difference.
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Yeah. Who would have thought that would be a house on a magazine? Whenever we went to sell our last house on Boone street, we had so many people who came to look at the house to purchase it, and then when they got there, they were like, oh, oh. This was not, like, it's on a busy street. It's right next to a park. They're like, we thought, like, just the way, you know, you presented it and how you decorated it, we thought this was going to be, you know, just off in a field somewhere. But I kind of had that mindset really without thinking, because I was really grateful we bought it. When I was 23, it was our first house together. We had our, you know, our first couple kids came home there, and I think I was like, I just thought it was so great that we bought this house. I think as you get a little older, maybe you expect more or you think like, oh, we deserve this. But at that time, I did have a very, Like, I thought it was the best house in the world. I couldn't believe people didn't love it, you know?
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Yeah, yeah. No, it's true. And that mindset, whether you stumble into it by accident or. Or that's sort of your natural attitude towards it, or you're really intentional with it. But that's why I like to start with that, because a lot of times people, you know, a lot of my audience does tend to forget that. That, you know, you can be grateful for the space that you have. You can simply be thankful for it as it is and begin to love it as it is and then make small changes. And it can be a really beautiful, really cute, really cozy whatever it is that suits what you like. It can be a great place.
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B
Like where did you start with your little ugly bungalow? How did you transform it and where did that.
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You know, the first thing that we did was we tackled the bathroom in the kitchen just because they were really nasty. I mean it was a 70 year old house and. And it was bad. So we, when we bought it it was. I'm in Canada. And so at the time there was. I don't know if there is any more. Um, but there was this mortgage that you could do where you could put the money into the rentals and then they put it into the mortgage after and sort of gave you that money back kind of thing. It was a bit of a. Anyways, but the kitchen and the bathroom, we just did a basic, like basic, basic reno, like with basic Home Depot white cabinets kind of thing. But that kitchen was the most organized kitchen. It was 7ft by 14ft with two doorways because you had to walk through it to get to the addition.
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Oh, that is so small.
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It is so small. And the stacked washer and dryer were in there too. Like it was. But it was so functional because I packed those drawers and cabinets with like the most functionality, like organizers and all of that. And so even on a budget, that was a really great. So we were very intentional about how we designed that space. And then from there it was a matter of like we had to build ourselves a bedroom. We had. It was basically we just had to put a couple of walls up because I think the bungalow, it was two bedrooms and a living room at the front of the original. And then there's an addition on the back, the whole width. So we use that addition as the living room, dining room. So the front living room originally could become our bedroom. So the bedrooms were at the front anyway. Otherwise it was like we replaced the flooring and we did painting and we did like the inexpensive like board and batten treatment on the wall and like just things that we could DIY and do really inexpensively. Yeah. And you know, I think we did drop cloth curtains there for the first time.
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Yeah, very budget friendly.
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Yeah, like the very, very budget friendly things. Paint went a long way in that house because it was so tiny too. Right. But it changed the feel of the house. We bought a secondhand front door. Like we bought it off Facebook Marketplace and my husband like made it fit the doorway and stuff. Like just Things like that. We made window boxes for the front. So a lot of DIY projects went into that, into that house.
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And in that elbow based era, everything painted white was the style. So you could really take any house and come in and just like instantly make it look so much better. Just white paint everywhere. Right. And I also think small homes are easier to decorate. I found my last house, it was way smaller than this house. Just so easy. Like, the ceilings were kind of low, so it was just very cozy. And like, each space it kind of made sense. Like it was very obvious what you should do with it. And then I struggled in this home with figuring out how to like elevate the eye because it was a bit more grand. Do you feel that way, like, easy little? I do sometimes, yeah. Easier.
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I do, yeah. We've. We've actually moved twice since the little bungalow. We moved to a back split and now we're in a bigger two story house, you know, and there's columns in the dining. Like it's not a giant house, but there's like, they put columns in the dining room, I guess, for the open concept and whatever. And the little house was super easy and it was cheaper. Just from the perspective. Like at this house where I live, we have two, like a double front door. Like, that's just the way the, the front is. Well, if I want to buy a wreath, I now have to buy two wreaths. Like.
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Yes.
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So, like the smaller house was great because it was one of everything. It was much smaller and it was just obvious what needed to be done. And yeah, sometimes a bigger house, it takes a lot more. It takes a lot more budget, it takes a lot more decor.
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Like, it'll swallow up your decor. You put a throw pillow and you're like, where did it go? Whereas in your little house, it makes a big impact.
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It's true. Yeah. No, it's true. We just. Now we have, we need to have a giant piece of art over the couch. Like, it's, it's just, it's very different. Like, you know, I think when the kids. My kids are in their 20s. Well, my youngest is about to turn 20 and I'm like, okay, so we can downsize. Right. Like, we don't need the tiny little bungalow again. Yeah. It can go back to a smaller. But yeah, so it's true. Yeah. Smaller is definitely easier. So be grateful for that. Even if that's, if that's sort of what's your situation. Yes.
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So with the Christmas season coming up, what does your decor process look like for that I've definitely. I've already kind of been brainstorming Christmas and thinking, I don't think I want to put as much out this year. It feels like so much. And I'll sometimes have to hang the garland back up because the child would have knocked it off the railing. And there's a lot that I, like, feel like it's almost too cluttered that time of year. What's your approach for that?
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In the past, it's been just add to the clutter, honestly. Make it look like, you know, a Hallmark movie threw up.
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Yes. Which is cozy. It's just a lot of work.
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Cozy, but it's a lot of work. And then as soon as Christmas is done, it's like, oh, my gosh, I have to put this away and clear it out. And that's a lot of work, too. Last year, I actually went much simpler. I put away some of our regular, everyday decor. So. So my process is I pull out what we have because I reuse stuff all the time. I pick up a couple of things here and there, you know, some new ribbon or a couple of new ornaments or whatever, almost every year, just to sort of freshen it up a little bit, mostly because I have to share it online. So everybody expects, you know, some new ideas. Right.
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Well, that's a different dynamic, too.
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So I think I'd probably keep it a lot longer. The same.
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Yes.
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If I wasn't. If this wasn't sort of my job, but I still don't go over the top and.
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Yeah, exactly.
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All new things all the time.
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Like, are you seriously putting up the exact same blog post as last year? No, you can't do that. So to reinvent your home every year.
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Right. You can't do that. At least put it in a different place. Right. Like, something's got to go in a different place, but. So I pull out what I've got, and then I sort of look at it and go, okay, I really feel like using this this year. I really don't feel like using this. And then I'll sort of just start to putter and I'll put away, like, some of the everyday decor. Not that it doesn't go, but I don't want to add clutter anymore. Like, I don't want to do that. Last year, I didn't put out a lot. I put, like, some pretty stuff on the mantle. We did the Christmas tree, and then I swapped out in. I kept the same vases and pottery and stuff and swapped out what was in them. Like, instead of, like, the regular flowers that I have out, it was green, right? Greenery and stuff like that. I actually left that stuff aside from the Christmas tree. I left that stuff up till March because it was more winter even than it was Christmas. And that was super. Like, where I live, like, it gets dark at 4 o'clock by the middle of winter. Like that cozy extra. Like the extra greenery, the extra candles, like that sort of thing. That was really nice this last winter. So I'm thinking I'll probably do that this year and not go overboard and over the top and just swap out a few things and then add a few things. Yeah, just. Yeah, just because I don't like the overall.
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I know. I've been thinking about that too. And do you do red or do you do different colors? I know you do a little bit different each year.
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Mm. It is a little bit different each year. I don't. I. So I've sort of gone through this figuring out what colors I like. For a long time, I did almost no color. So it was very, very, very, very neutral. Not this. Not the earthy neutral that it is now. It was very, very neutral. Like cream and white and, you know, maybe mushroom like. And then I started adding in. So now it's. There's a little bit more, like brown and gold and, you know, some more like naturally forest green kind of that would be in greenery and stuff like that. I don't do red mostly because I find red to be really jarring in the winter seasons when there's not a lot of other color. Right. Like, I. It snows where I live it, or it's gray and it's rainy. And so personally. Personally, for me, I find red to be too jarring. My sister loves it, though, so, you know, to each their own always. Right. Like, do you love. Do you love doing red?
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Yeah.
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Is that sort of one that you like?
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Well, I've done red several years, and I was already thinking this year, like, I was looking around my house and I was looking at some things. Like, I made some new pillows recently, and they're blue and they're really pretty, and I'm not gonna be over them very soon. And I'm like, maybe I'm not. Maybe I'll just do some, add some green, and that'll be it. You know, I'm kind of. I don't know. I've done the full red Christmas, but I feel like when I do that, I go all out. Like, I. It either needs to be a ton of red because it's. I Don't introduce red any other time. And so I swap out my china that's blue for something red. And it's just a really big job, and I don't. I just don't know if I have it in me this year, to be honest.
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Yeah. No, that's fair. I. Yeah, it's. You're right, though, because the time, the years that I've done red, it's been a lot of red, and it's a lot of changing out of things for some reason. That's funny how it works, eh?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yes, of course. Yeah. Back to the clutter conversation. I know. I think the more people we have in our house, and we got a lot of questions, like from the audience, about having a large family, which I know you don't have a large family and your kids are grown, but still, I know you can relate to this. They all. Okay, yes. So it is. Then you have. Because you have grown up. You know, you have, like, big people.
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A
I have three grown kids, and one of our kids. Friends moved in for the school year, so there are six adults living here. Six.
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B
You're into this thing. Okay, six adults. Okay. So lots of questions about, like, okay, you're in your home all the time. How do you keep it tidy when it's being used all the time? Like your home, we homeschool. There's from scratch cooking, there's hosting. And then also for me, with, you know, this number of people, and for you, too, if everybody has a large quantity of things, just multiply that by 10. And that's what's in here. And so we've had to become more and more and more minimalist, which I'm not. I'm definitely not a minimalist. I would say more of like a. Somebody called it an essentialist. The things that you need, but then. Then some. But I mean, it's been crucial. Every child we add. And as my kids have gotten older, you know, there's. There's more when they're bigger people just to, you know, reduce per person, what is there so we can actually live our lives and not spend the entire time tidying things up. Christmas time, I'm already thinking, like, that sounds cluttered. Like, I could see how that would be great if we weren't, you know, filling this house up completely. There's no space that we don't use to the max.
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A
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I. I only had three kids, but we homeschooled two, and I worked from home. And so. And we hope. Right. Like, there's so, yeah, we are using that house. We use this house. You don't have to be a minimalist, but I think I like that. The essentialist, like, essentialism, like, you only keep what you need to use. And then, you know, some pretty things like pictures on the wall or whatever. And I think that's the key to every. To a lot of it is the very first you've got to declutter. Like if you've got that much, that many people and that amount of space, because it's. It's a finite amount of space. No matter what size house you have. Like, you have to get rid of the things that you're. That aren't essential. Like.
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B
Right.
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A
You really do. And. And then you assign homes for things. That's the organizing part. Right. Like, you make sure everything that you keep has a place. Right. Like, there's this awesome quote that I love. I think it's Joshua Becker. And I can never remember whether it actually is or not, but he said.
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B
Something because he's the minimalist, kind of organized guy. Ye.
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A
I know, right. But he's like, the quote goes, if you found a fork under the couch, you would. You'd wash it, but you'd return it to where it belongs. Right. Because it has a spot. You wouldn't go set it on the fireplace or. Right.
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B
Like everybody has a spot for a fork. That's like the one thing that we can all relate to.
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A
But everything should have a home. Just like the fork does in your house is defined. Everything should have it. Your shoes, your books. Like, everything should have a place. And once there is that place, it is up to everyone in the house. And as the mom, you probably care about it more than anybody else, especially if you spend more time there than anyone else. So you will have to remind people. Like, there is no. Like, you can get your family on board. Like, you can. Absolutely. You can make things easy for them. You can tell them where everything goes. You can label things, you can encourage them. You'll still have to remind them. It just is. You care about it more than anybody else does. That's just how it is.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And expectations that way help a lot too. Right. Like, if you're constantly mad that the things aren't getting put away, that's not helping anything. Like, make sure everything has a home. And then when needed, help remind people where those things go. And that's going to make a huge difference. Right at our house right now. It's a little bit tricky. Like the thing that drives me crazy the most right now. Is the kitchen literally, because with six adults and everyone's on different schedules. Like my son will literally work like 7pm to 3am and he's coming home then and cooking in the kitchen in the middle of the night. And I'm like, put your dishes in the dishwasher. But we've already filled the dishwasher and it's full of clean stuff by the time he cook. Like so like there's always going to be a little bit of you got to clean up. Like that's life, that's a house. Like that's keeping house. But, but yeah, you can put systems in place.
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B
Yeah, you have your systems, but then it requires you to work the system because you were also, you know, talking about decluttering. That's such a moving target. Like at this exact moment I am procrastinating on something I know I have to do which is taking all the inventory. I do it every October. I take inventory of all the kids clothes. I see how many jeans do we have without holes? What sizes? I write things down. I like have to basically set up what an adult would do for a capsule wardrobe for each one of my children and make sure that we don't have too much but that, you know, there's plenty to wear but not too much. We don't have things with stains, with holes things. You know, this is something I have to do twice a year, every year. And if I don't, oh yeah, the whole rest of that year runs like, yeah, sure, if I don't do that right now, we can still survive. Like we will get dressed, we will end up places, everything will be fine. Nobody will know that I did it or didn't do it. But you'll feel it if I don't. There will be tension every single time. I get all those little boys dressed for the rest of this year until it's spring again or you know, forever basically.
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A
Yeah. No, it's true. One of my sister in laws has 10 kids and like same thing. Like you've got to go through that stuff. Like the systems, you, you put them in place but then you actually have to do them right. Like you know, we have systems here. Like that's part of like the next step after organizing before decorating is the establishing home habits. That's the systems and routines and making them habit. The ones that are further apart like that, like your daily habits are a little easier to sort of do because they're daily and they're sort of. Right, they're habits as opposed to like those once or twice a year kind of ones where you're like, I gotta do that again. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
And you could get away with not doing it. It's just. It will be. It'll make everything harder the whole year, you know, because we can dig through and like, find the things that fit. Right. And find the things that'll work for the weather today. But whenever I have their. They're like, I have baskets for my three little boys. When those baskets only have things that work right now in this season, they fit, they are clean, they don't have holes. It is the easiest thing in the world to get them dressed in the morning. Whereas when I have to be like, oh, is it upstairs in their drawers basket? Is it a short sleeve? Is it a long sleeve? You know, it's such a it. You can put it off, but you're ultimately wasting more time not decluttering, insert whatever thing is your problem, you know.
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A
No, it's true. Those systems, they're. They're there. You put them in place to help you. So it's only causing yourself harm if you're. Or inconvenience or whatever you want to call it by not doing it. Right. But I can. I get the whole. Procrastinating it too. Right. Because it's a big job.
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B
It is. It's a big. It'll. It'll take. I mean, honestly, it'll probably take half a day, but it'll take like all my attention. I need to get the tubs from the basement that have boy clothes and kind of see. Oh, you grew into this. And yeah. You know, sort. And then I'll have a list. I'll actually have to go to the store or online or whatever and fill in the gaps of what they need. And then, you know. Do these shoes fit you? Are they broken?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Such a moving target.
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A
It is. I remember that with. Especially for my kids, snow gear, like hats. Oh, yeah. Snow pants and whatever. Right. Like, I'm like, dang it, we got to buy that stuff again.
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B
Yes.
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A
So yeah. So yeah. I mean, but. But yeah, so doing the systems, that's. That's the only way to do it. And so, yeah, if you've got a lot of people clean out and put systems in place and then. And then do the systems and catch us and give yourself grace if it like, you know, if someone's sick or if it's a hard season, give yourself grace to sort of have. Give leeway with those.
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B
Yeah.
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A
However.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But then, yeah, like, like you said, though, ultimately, if if you can't pull it together to do that, it's going to make your own life harder pretty much every step of the way. That's what I've learned. Like, I try to put this off, but then, you know. And so with you having six adults, you're. You work from home, you know, people are in and out nonstop. How are you keeping your house tidy when it's being used all the time by all these people?
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A
Everyone knows where things are supposed to go. So, you know, two people, two of the kids have their own space and then two kids right now are sharing. But like, we made sure when we made room for that extra kid who moved in this year, she moved like it's a. It's one of the kids friends who moved here for the school year. So she. Because the college is near us. Yes. So we set up our one daughter's room. Instead of like her. It being her room, we set it up like a dorm room. So basically everything has places where it needs to go. Like, we made, we bought an extra shoe cabinet for the entryway because, oh my gosh, that first week or two when everybody was here and everybody was coming and going and like there was like 20 pairs of shoes in the entryway, like you couldn't open the front door. And so we bought one of those Ikea, like two things and then said, okay, you guys have got to take some to your rooms, you know, and bring it down when you need it, versus we can't all fit in the entryway.
- [36:15]
B
I have, I have struggled with knowing when it's time to do that because we still keep every single person's shoes in our mudroom. And it's pretty apparent that that's probably not the way to do it. But also I'm like, if we put them in your room, are we going to lose them? Because we don't have. Our kids aren't as old as yours. And so, you know, it would require them finding it still. Like, I still have to kind of be in control of stuff.
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A
Yeah. So then just keep it where you can be in control of it for a bit longer than. Honestly. Honestly.
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B
But yeah, it's a lot.
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A
Yeah, No, I can imagine. Yeah. So like we have everything. Has almost everything, at least has a home where it belongs. So that like, like, if it gets left out. I also have a rule at my house and I have for a long time because, because of doing the blog and, you know, having to share online or whatever is the main floor at this house. So we've lived here for about seven and a half, eight years. The main floor at this house, it's a. I'm in the basement, my office is in the basement. And then there's a family room, whatever. And then the main floor is living room, kitchen, dining room, entry, laundry room. And then upstairs is all the bedrooms. And so the main floor has to stay. Nobody can leave their stuff on the main floor. Now, my kids, My. My youngest was. So she's almost 20, so she was about 12 when we moved here. And that was my youngest. So they would have been 12, 14 and 16, give or take, when we moved here.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so that was the rule is that you can't leave it on the main floor. Like you. When you're done on the main floor, you take your stuff back to your room or back down to the family room. The house before this, it was just, don't leave it in the living room or dining room, like.
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B
Right. You couldn't control.
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A
No, I couldn't have the whole floor, this house is laid out a little different, but like. But there was still, like, when, you know, you bring your books or whatever to the living room or your toys or whatever, that's fine. But then back they go to where they belong when you're done kind of thing. So that has helped a lot in.
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B
That's a very straightforward rule. Like.
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A
Yeah, it.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
And that's been since, you know, they weren't babies, like. Right. Like Todd had to be in the main area.
- [38:17]
B
It's always going to change. Like you said. Oh, well, this house is laid out differently. My kids are this age. It's going to change so much based on so many factors, like how your house is laid out, what you do for your job, how old your kids are. We're all going to have different things that, you know, and we're also gonna have different levels of what makes us feel that things are tidy, you know, and we'll have that rub in families. Like, I. I think we should put our homeschool stuff away between time. But not everybody thinks that in my family.
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A
Right.
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B
Because, you know, they're just gonna get it again very shortly. And so, yeah, you'll have some differing. And there will be some compromise, too. You won't have everything perfectly tidy all the time. Yeah, I get people all the time who are like, how do you keep your kitchen clean when you cook three times a day? And I'm like, I clean three times a day. That's just. That's the answer.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, it gets clean fully three times A day.
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A
I know. That's. Everybody always, I think, always thinks there's a magical something that they're missing. And it's like, no. Realistically, I'm just cleaning up after I'm done, right?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
Like, it just. That's just how it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
We had a few questions about decorating specifically. And I know you do. You talk a lot about decorating. So I love that one is what to replace your TV with in the living room as the focal point. I also selfishly want to know the answer to this because I'm currently struggling with our whole TV situation. And it's. I don't know. I've debated the projector thing, but then I'm like, do we have to get it out every time? Do you have any insight?
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A
Mm. So our TV is the focal point because. And it's over the fireplace, which is technically a designer. No, no. But there's literally nowhere else to put it in the living room if I want a TV in there.
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B
Right.
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A
However, at previous houses, we have. That's not been the case. We either. The TV wasn't in the living room. In our first townhouse, the TV was actually in an upstairs room and not in the living room. And so we had. What did we have? We had a pretty cabinet and some art. So if you don't want to have the TV in there, a lot of people do the whole. Even if it is the TV, a lot of people do the frame TV or just art on the TV if you know, because frame TVs can be expensive, depending on how big.
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B
Yeah, but we have it. Yeah, that's even what we have in our living room. But it's one of the original ones. Like, I have a newer one and that in my bedroom, but in the living room, it's the original one. And it honestly just. In that room with the light, it just. It's so obviously a tv, you know, it's like. It almost is, like, worse because it's. It's like, are you trying to fool me? Like, it didn't work.
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A
Oh, fair. Okay.
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B
And it got hit with a Nerf or something. So it has a dot and a line across it because at some point, of course. So it's like this big gold framed, like, thing that has damaged art. Like, this is not. This is not fair.
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A
Yeah. I mean, you can do art. You can do like. Like actual art. You can do cabinets, you can do gallery walls. You can do, you know, vintage art, family, like, grid art. Like family grid words. A grid of family pictures.
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B
Yes.
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A
We've done several things like that. Like, you can do one big piece of art. You can. I mean, you can still do, like a feature wall with different. A different finish on it, a different paint color, a different treatment, whatever. Yeah, there's lots of options for feature walls that aren't a tv. Like, if you don't want to have a tv.
- [41:56]
B
Yeah. And if you still want the tv. What. I think our living room is kind of challenging because it's an old house, but it was definitely redone. And so there's a massive opening. So it's kind of not open concept, but kind of. And then there's windows on the other, like three. It's kind of a bay. So three walls. So if you didn't have a living room like that, what I think you should do, instead of trying to trick people into, like, oh, there's not really a TV here. Putting a little council type or whatever, like a small, little table in a corner and just putting a regular TV kind of in the corner and then putting pretty art above the mantle. Or we have a piano. I think it'd be really cool. We don't really have space because of the way there's, like, no walls, because it's all window, piano, bookshelf, and that's literally the only wall we have. But I think just kind of embracing it and being like, okay, here's the tv. We're not hanging it on, like, trying to make it, like, disguise it.
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A
Yeah. I mean, there's so many. I know our next door neighbor, they actually have a fireplace. Theirs too. But they don't have their TV above the fireplace like we do. They have it on a table to the side.
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B
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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A
Yes. I mean, yeah, you can totally do that. Ours. Ours. Actually, I just remembered too, that while mine is above the mantle, I painted that whole section like a dark green. And so the TV actually. Actually really hides really well now in that dark green actually kind of idea. Because, like, we have open concept, like, it's our kitchen island to the living room.
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B
And. Yeah. So some rooms, it would not work for us.
- [43:29]
A
There's no.
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B
Anyway, yeah, that's how we are. There's really no other spot for it. And we don't. We're not huge TV watchers. But, I mean, there's times we want to watch something as a family or even not as a family. And so I like having the tv. I know a lot of people are like, we don't have a tv, but then, like, we just put our laptop.
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A
Up like, well, okay, 10 people around the laptop and call it what you want, but.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I personally really like being able to, you know, pop on a tv, but it is. It is a challenge. I have seen people do really cool projectors where, like, a screen will come down mounted from the ceiling. So if you have a good place to stash the projector or mount it.
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A
On the ceiling at the other end.
- [44:15]
B
Yeah, yeah, you could mount it. Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I think we have too many windows for it, but, yeah, that would be an option.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's tons of options, but TVs are tricky. Like in. You know, back in the day, when they were those big square boxes, you could put them in a cabinet and close the cabinet doors. But now that they're like the giant flat screens like you want, there's no cabinets for those. Right. Like, they're. They're too big.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So. Which is hilarious to me, that I know.
- [44:42]
B
Yeah. I saw somebody on Instagram, they had this little, like, TV on a stand that came out and then it went away again.
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A
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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B
And if we had a good closet, I think that would be really. Again, that's kind of like having a laptop. But at least it's on a stand.
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A
Right.
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B
So you can present it where you want it.
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A
Yeah, we. Yeah. At the. At one of our houses, we had a small tv because we didn't have a big one, but a small flat screen on a wall with pictures around it. So I don't know.
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B
Yeah. If it's small, I could see how that would work.
- [45:09]
A
Yeah. But not the big ones. Not.
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B
Have you ever seen. And I. I've. I've never tried this, but I wonder about it. Somebody who's, like, hacked a regular TV to put projects or put something on it. So it's not a frame tv, but it has something beautiful on it. Like, the only thing I can really think of is the fireplace channel in the winter.
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A
I like that.
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B
But is there any other? Like, have you seen something like that?
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A
So on my tv, it's not a. It's not a smart TV or a frame tv, and you can. Although. Yeah. So I have a Amazon fire stick. You can add an app that you can add pictures and just put pictures on the screen so you don't have to have a frame tv.
- [45:47]
B
See, so why. Why even get your frame.
- [45:49]
A
I don't know. Like, I don't know. Does it light different, like, with the picture? I don't even know on the frame tv, like, does it still terrible then? I don't know it.
- [45:57]
B
What it should do. And maybe they've improved it since I've purchased one, because I think the one in my. My. The one in my room I'm sitting in right now, it's a lot better.
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A
Okay.
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B
Yeah, it's a lot better than the other one, but it should have, like, a sensor. So when it's bright, it would go brighter, and then at night it would go dim because it looks like this bright art. It's definitely not.
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A
That's so funny, because I was thinking that it would do that. Like, it would. Or it was like, you know how like a Kindle E reader, like, the light comes in from the side instead of the back. Like an iPhone.
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B
Yes.
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A
I thought it was like that when it, like, switched to the art on the frame tv. Like, it was nicer light, but it's not.
- [46:37]
B
I think it's maybe. Maybe nicer light, but it doesn't adjust for the daylight in the room. And so if you really want it to authentically look nice, you would need to, when it gets dark, turn it down a bit. And then when it. When it's bright, turn it bright. And it doesn't do that. And so I'm like, why wouldn't you just put a little picture on your fire stick? I didn't even realize.
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A
Yeah. Yeah, you can totally.
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B
I figured there probably had to be.
- [47:01]
A
Yeah.
- [47:01]
B
Some way to do that.
- [47:02]
A
There's instructions. I'm trying to think who I might have been. It might have been Lauren at Bluster House might have had instructions, but it might have been someone else. If you Google it, because I know. I pretty sure she has a frame TV now too. But I think if you Google it, you can just. Yeah, like, there's instructions on the Internet somewhere. I should just write them.
- [47:21]
B
The one cool thing I will say about the frame is you can set it to where if it's dark in the room and there's no motion, it'll turn off.
- [47:28]
A
Okay.
- [47:29]
B
So I guess if you have a regular tv, you would just leave it up all the time.
- [47:32]
A
Just leave it on or turn it to.
- [47:33]
B
I know Sarah from She Holds Dearly has a diy, like, picture frame. Like, you can make a frame for your tv.
- [47:42]
A
Right.
- [47:42]
B
So anyways, that's a whole tangent, but.
- [47:44]
A
Yeah, I was thinking about doing that too. Just for wherever the. And making space wherever the sensor is. Right. So that you can still use the remote.
- [47:52]
B
That's very important. Yes.
- [47:53]
A
Right. Like, that's the only. Yeah, that's the only thing I could figure would be difficult.
- [47:57]
B
Very true.
- [47:58]
A
Yeah. Anyway.
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B
Okay. Another TV. Yeah, TVs are such a decorating challenge. I think the best solution we came up with is if you have like a room, not like a open concept, just putting it in a corner on a table instead of like trying to disguise it would make the most sense for me personally. Okay. The other, the other question on decorating I wanted to ask was tips for decorating on a dime. What kind of cheap or free statement pieces would you recommend?
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A
I would say check out Facebook Marketplace or whatever sort of is in lieu of that where you live if you don't have a sort of, I don't know, happening Facebook Marketplace sort of market in your area.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because you can get some really, really beautiful pieces. And if you are at all handy with paintbrush or can teach yourself, there's lots of resources for that. You can get some really awesome pieces. Our dining room buffet was a Facebook Marketplace find. I think it was 200 maybe. And it's great and it's really pretty and it's exactly the style I wanted. So, yeah. So, you know.
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B
Yeah, that's. Facebook Marketplace is a good one.
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A
That's for a secondhand. We bought a couch and a couple of chairs. They were actually originally Ikea, but they were still in awesome shape. We bought those was off there like years ago when we first moved here. So. Yeah. So if you're looking for where to get things, that's a great place as far as. Do you know what they meant? Like, what the question or asked by statement pieces?
- [49:21]
B
Like what I'm. Well, like, what would you get first? Like what? Say you had a house. You're not very inclined to decorating, which you obviously are, but you're trying, you know, you've. You've decluttered it. You're like, okay, now I have like, nice blink, clear mind space here. And now I'm going to add some statement pieces. Like, what are some of the first pieces you might try to source?
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A
So you want to figure out, depending on the room, like, what the purpose of the room is and you want to get those pieces first. So like, so say it is a living room like we've been talking about. You want to make sure that you get your seating in place first before any. Because that is decor. But it's not like the little bits and pieces of decor. Save that for last. That comes last. Don't go buy all the accents. Those are last.
- [50:04]
B
Okay.
- [50:04]
A
Buy like the things for the function of the room, knowing. So the part of the first Step of decorating is figuring out what your style, sort of your unique style DNA is and what you like. It's. I've sort of gone away a bit from like the named styles like country and farmhouse and that sort of thing and more like uniquely what you. What you like and sort of what that looks like. So based on that and what the function of the room is and the people who use the room, you need to get at the core pieces first. So the couch, the. You know that if it's a dining room, the dining room table and chairs, like those have to come before anything else does. From there you can move on to like area rugs and curtains and some lighting and things like that. And that will add another layer and level of style before you get to even art and. And bits and pieces. Right. So. So know what, figure out what your style is. Know what the purpose of the room is and get those pieces that fit that first version before anything else.
- [51:02]
B
Yeah. How do you find. You mentioned the style thing. How do you find that? And then how would you describe yours? Just as an example.
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A
So mine is sort of. Now is sort of earthy, modern, vintage. I guess that's one of those things I actually dislike having to describe as. I mean, lots of people do, but just I know what I like. Your go to list of design elements. So that is your, you know, the colors you like, the patterns you like, the shapes you like kind of thing. If you know, like a specific, like the original sort of name styles, one of those. So your go to list of elements is really sort of what your styles are. And you find that by purposefully gathering inspiration and then looking for the similarities in those. So you purposefully look for, for things that you like. You gather those and then you go through them. I often suggest on a Pinterest board and go through them and go, okay, what do these have in common? What colors do they have in common? What shapes do they have in common? What textures and materials, that sort of thing. And so that's how you know the gist of how to find your style. Yeah. And then that go to list of elements really becomes like important when you go shopping for things or even shopping for your. In your house for things.
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B
Yeah, I think it's a good idea to narrow that down before you go shopping because, you know, maybe you haven't really done that yet and you're not even sure what it is. I was talking to a couple of my sisters and I was telling them that I think of it almost as like there's A feeling you like in your home. Like, there's a feeling. If you could paint a picture of what you maybe like, idealize how your life would be and then you want your decor in your home to feel like that. I was kind of describing him like, you are like this and you are like this. Like, oh, I don't know, just throwing it out there.
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A
That's awesome. No, I like that. Like a feeling that matters. How do you want your home to feel?
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B
Yeah, it kind of goes with how you, like, see yourself and the kind of lifestyle you live, you know, is kind of what you're pulling your house. And even if the house doesn't necessarily reflect that naturally, it's. You can create it. So.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In most. In most places. Yeah, for sure.
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B
Okay, so tell us about the course and where to find that and then where else to follow along with you. Or the best place to see, you know, your Christmas decor and how your home, like the DIY projects you're doing and all of that.
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A
Yeah, more stylist mess. It will be open again for enrollment really soon. I'm going to put it on so that it's a little easier to find. The best place to go initially to find everything is homemade lovely.com but. And from there you can find everything. You can find my course, my podcast, all the social media handles are there. But then otherwise on Instagram is probably where I share most of sort of just the day to day and little snip pictures of things and stuff like that. So yeah, yeah.
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B
Sneak peeks behind your process, which is really helpful when you're first starting to decorate or maybe you want to. You don't feel like you're good at it. Seeing like someone like you and your process and sharing that, you know, along the way is really helpful. Awesome. Well, thank you so much and we will leave all those links down in the show notes below.
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A
Awesome. Thanks for having me.
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B
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