Podcast Summary: #SistersInLaw Episode 244: Barbara Versus Trump

Release Date: July 12, 2025
Host/Authors: Politicon Team - Joyce Vance, Jill Wine-Banks, Barb McQuaid, Kimberly Atkins Stohr (Kim Atkins Stohr was absent for this episode)

1. Introduction

In Episode 244 titled "Barbara Versus Trump," the #SistersInLaw team delves into pressing political and legal issues surrounding the Department of Justice's (DOJ) investigations into former officials Jim Comey and John Brennan. The episode also explores the significant class action lawsuit, Barbara versus Trump, challenging changes to birthright citizenship as influenced by a recent executive order.

2. DOJ Investigation of Jim Comey and John Brennan

The hosts begin by discussing the DOJ's renewed investigations into Jim Comey, the former FBI Director, and John Brennan, the ex-CIA Director. This resurgence appears to be part of an ongoing political vendetta orchestrated by the Trump administration.

Notable Discussion Points:

• Origins of the Investigation: Joyce Vance explains that the investigation originated from a referral by former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, who provided evidence to the FBI regarding potential misconduct related to the 2016 election interference investigation.

  Joyce Vance [22:30]: "This investigation stems from a referral by former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, who provided evidence to the FBI regarding potential wrongdoing related to the 2016 election interference investigation."

• Political Motivation: The team asserts that the investigations are driven by political revenge rather than legitimate legal concerns.

  Barb McQuaid [23:22]: "This is the politics of revenge and little more."

• Statute of Limitations Concerns: Jill Wine-Banks highlights that both Comey and Brennan have been out of office since the Obama administration, raising questions about the validity of any criminal charges due to the statute of limitations.

  Jill Wine-Banks [24:35]: "There's a five-year statute of limitations, which after 2017, means 2022 would be the end of any potential criminal investigation or charging."

3. Barbara versus Trump: Challenging Birthright Citizenship

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the class action lawsuit Barbara versus Trump, which challenges the Trump administration's executive order aiming to redefine birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

Key Insights:

• Supreme Court Ruling Impact: Jill Wine-Banks references the Supreme Court's decision in Casa v. Trump that disallowed a nationwide injunction against the executive order, leading to the certification of Barbara versus Trump as a class action.

  Jill Wine-Banks [07:37]: "On June 27th in Casa v. Trump, SCOTUS said the federal district court could not issue a nationwide injunction that barred enforcement of President Trump's executive order..."

• Class Action vs. Injunction: Joyce Vance provides a detailed explanation of the differences between a class action lawsuit and a nationwide injunction, emphasizing the complexities and time-consuming nature of class actions.

  Joyce Vance [11:03]: "There are four elements that you have to establish in order to get a class certified... if you certify a class, you can in essence draw up almost all or even all of those people who would have been covered by a nationwide injunction."

• Legal and Political Implications: Barb McQuaid discusses the potential outcomes, including the likelihood of the Trump administration appealing the class action decision, and the broader implications for the 14th Amendment.

  Barb McQuaid [15:18]: "I think that's going to get upheld. And then, of course, we'll get to the merits of the question, which is ultimately what we want."

Notable Quotes:

• Barb McQuaid [08:43]: "This is exactly what they said was available. When they sort of downplayed the harm of a universal injunction, they said, well, there's always class actions. Well, here we go."

• Joyce Vance [16:32]: "This constitutional amendment, the 14th amendment... kids that are born in one state, but they go to another state or maybe another judicial circuit, and suddenly they're not citizens. I mean, that's just the kind of chaos that this administration thrives on."

4. Whistleblower Complaint by Erez Revaney

The episode transitions to discussing Erez Revaney, a former Deputy Director in the Office of Immigration Litigation, who became a whistleblower after alleging misconduct within the DOJ.

Highlights:

• Whistleblower Allegations: Revaney claims that Amal Bove, a high-ranking DOJ official and former Trump criminal lawyer, suggested that DOJ might ignore court orders to fulfill Trump's directives.

  Barb McQuaid [46:12]: "There's an email where it's clear that it was Bove who instructed DHS to turn over the men on the planes to El Salvadoran custody even after the judge had told the government..."

• Impact on Legal Proceedings: The hosts emphasize the severity of these allegations, comparing them to historical events like Watergate, and discuss the potential ramifications for the DOJ and the integrity of the legal system.

  Jill Wine-Banks [30:35]: "This current stuff with Brennan and Comey are certainly worse than Watergate. This is an enemies list that is the best, best example of what is now being called lawfare or weaponization."

• Nomination of Emile Beauvais: The conversation touches on the nomination of Emile Beauvais to the federal bench and the skepticism surrounding his ability to oversee court orders impartially given the DOJ's current trajectory.

  Jill Wine-Banks [50:24]: "But remember, aside from ignoring court orders, he directed Ed Martin... This is what comes to mind when you have a Republican president, Senate and House."

Notable Quotes:

• Jill Wine-Banks [43:19]: "He answered truthfully. He also gave advice to all of his clients that they had to follow the orders of the court and was very concerned that they were deliberately not doing that."

• Barb McQuaid [53:19]: "I don't know if his complaint is going to go anywhere, but I think his allegations are so disturbing that those of us who talk about such things should do our best to keep it alive in the public discourse."

5. Listener Questions

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts address questions from listeners, providing insights and advice on current political and legal challenges.

Questions Addressed:

1. Voting Safety Amid Supreme Court Rulings:
   How do recent Supreme Court rulings impact the safety and integrity of voting processes?

   Jill Wine-Banks [55:49]: "The only real particular guardrails we have is voting. We have to vote in huge numbers... we have to rely on the courts as well as our elected representatives, and pressuring them is one way to protect us."

2. Executive Order to Reinforce Democracy:
   If you could perform an executive order to save or instill democracy, what would it be?

   Joyce Vance [57:48]: "I would draft an executive order that would give states and localities the funds they need to ensure that they've got safe and secure technology for conducting elections... I would write an order that supported voting, not one that suppressed voting rights."

3. Effectiveness of Constituent Communications:
   Do letters and voicemails to elected officials make a difference?

   Barb McQuaid [60:XXXX]: "Email is actually the best way to communicate with your member of Congress who are particularly responsive because they're constantly in reelection mode... emailing your elected officials, I believe is a very effective way to have your voice heard in Washington."

6. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with the hosts reiterating the importance of staying informed and engaged in the political process. They urge listeners to support transparency and uphold the rule of law amidst ongoing challenges.

Final Thoughts:

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Key Takeaways:

• The DOJ's investigations into former officials are perceived as politically motivated.
• Barbara versus Trump represents a significant legal challenge to executive attempts to redefine constitutional rights.
• Whistleblower allegations by Erez Revaney highlight potential systemic issues within the DOJ.
• Active civic engagement, including voting and communicating with elected officials, remains crucial for maintaining democratic integrity.

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