Courtney Johnson (5:44)

What.

Jessica Ashley Gill (5:45)

What can we reprogram? That's all the tools that we work with. And so many of them. You know, we think it's like this big overriding process of our neural pathways, but so many times it's like a small, inner child version of us that had a traumatizing experience or an experience that they didn't feel loved or they felt rejected. And you just need to hear them out. You need to sit in that, you know, subconscious theta state, which is we do in our deep imaginings, to really sit there and be like, what did you experience? What did that feel like? And then having your adult version, your higher self, your magnetic, authentic self, who you are today, go in and be like, oh, I see how you got to that conclusion. But that's actually not the truth. The truth is, you know, that kid from school didn't know what he was talking about. He was just picking up on what his dad said. And actually, you're supposed to go through this path. Like, this is so perfect for you. Of course you're supposed to share in this way. And it makes, like, all the difference. You would think just meditating on this stuff is not. You're like, okay, how much can it actually shift? I've gotten up from deep imaginings to a new reality, to things actually shifting in real time because that story was. Was healed. A layer of that story was healed. So it's very powerful work.

Courtney Johnson (7:03)

Yeah, it is extremely, extremely powerful works. I. Right now, I think the most intense experiences I've had is, like, breathwork classes, psychedelics, and tbm. Like, truly, it is that powerful. Especially if you are. Especially if you do, like, a few in a row or you're already in a state. Maybe you're like coming off a yoga class or you're like, already super relaxed and different modalities to get to the same place, all of these things. Or like EMDR therapy, somatic therapy, it is the same modality, different modalities to get to the same place. And the same, the place that we're going back to is reprogramming that trauma or that limiting beliefs. And some people might be like, well, I've already reprogrammed my trauma, or I didn't have a very traumatic childhood. Like, it is traumatic coming into the world. Like, it could be something as simple as you fell at a dance recital and you didn't think it was that big of a deal, but that actually told your body and your mind that it is not safe to be seen. And if you go out on a stage, you. You will embarrass yourself. Right? It could be things that are. That seem quite benign. And logically you're like, well, I, I logically know as an adult it's safe to go on a stage. Like, whatever. I was so a child. But your body doesn't know that. Your body is literally conditioned. Like, as we're being conditioned into the world and in our upbringing, your body is responding to all these things and creating a, a place of safety for you. So, yeah, I, I just want to surface that because it is so, so important and it goes so fucking deep. Like, guys, get ready to look at like your darkest, deepest wounds and shadows.

Jessica Ashley Gill (8:39)

But it's so good. I mean, that's why we have so many tools in there to support at any stage and phase. And we kind of, especially a lot of people are being tested right now. Like, it is a upheaval. I don't know when this is going to air, but like the kickoff to 2025, and I honestly, my predictor is all through 2025, it's going to be a, a real time to double down on who the f you are. Like, who are you? If you strip away any of these external things that you are using for validation or for safety or security? And how can you create, serve, whether that's through your personal brand, through your work, through your entrepreneurship, whatever it is, how can you use the things that you love as your North Star, right? And I think when we're talking about being faced with tests or looking at traumas or any of that stuff, like we've put all the tools in there, you can have a somatic stage where you're just feeling, you're feeling into your body, you're reconnecting with your body. We've had so many members. They're like, I've literally never felt into any sensation in my body before. I've never even thought about checking in with that, you know, and then it's like, okay, cool, now can you validate that your emotions are worthy? That that makes sense. That that narrative for that little kid makes sense, you know, whatever that storyline was. And then can you source that safety and power within? And I think that's going to be such a huge thing this year where people are going to have to look at how can I regulate, how can I come back to self, how can I come back to my core essence when things around me feel uncertain?

Courtney Johnson (10:17)

Mm, yeah. That's so important. And I agree. I think it's going to be quite a tumultuous year, which is a little scary. But that's okay. We're going to get through it together.

Jessica Ashley Gill (10:27)

Got it. We got it. When there's hard stuff, there's also amazing stuff too.

Courtney Johnson (10:32)

Exactly. Something else I really admire about the platform is that it's iterative. Like, it's not saying, oh, you want to manifest a million dollars? Yeah, do it and wake up tomorrow and quit your job and you'll have this magic thing happens to you. It's not bypassing and it's not like, yeah, you can switch your entire reality in an instant. You actually can switch your entire reality in an instant. But I admire that TVM is so iterative. For example, instead of like quit your job and all your stability tomorrow, even if you have nothing, and take a big giant deep into entrepreneurship, when you have no skills, it's like, no, maybe get a bridge job part time, work at a coffee shop, build your skills in these ways. And I think that is such a grounded approach that is just a lot more accessible than other programs.

Jessica Ashley Gill (11:24)

Well, it's also, we're trying to build people up to have not only their manifestations that they want, but sustainable success and like actual fulfillment from their manifestations. So many other programs, they're like sourcing the manifestations off. Like the shiny thing, right? The million dollars, the house in the hills, the blah, blah, blah. It's like, okay, put all that aside. Like, what is in your heart, what truly speaks to you, what lights you up, what's your passion? Start there. And as you're going about getting there, if you are, I don't know, making minimum wage and your goal is to be like fully financially abundant. Like you want to be able to travel. When you want to travel, you don't want to think about it, whatever. You're not going to wake up tomorrow with a million dollars overnight because all of your habits, your beliefs, your expansion is not at that level right now. That's okay. You can absolutely get there. And if that's your desire, you're going to get there. But how can you get there incrementally while growing all those things at the same time? Because also, if you wake up overnight in that new reality, are you going to be grounded enough to sustain it? Are you going to be ground? Are you going to have the tools, the resources to be like, oh, this is what it feels like to operate here. Like, this is what I need to do with my money when I'm here. This is how I pay taxes when I'm, you know what, whatever. The thing is, you need that expansion to really feel like, ah, yes, okay. It makes total sense that I've arrived here because I've put in all of the layers and steps to get there.

Courtney Johnson (12:53)

Yeah, I think a really great example might be like, dating or love. If you have a lot of, like, triggers in relationship and you're trying to manifest your dream partner tomorrow and you do get into that relationship, will you still have those triggers? Right. Like, that's a lot of unlearning and undoing. And I know we talk a lot about business and entrepreneurship on this podcast, but I think it's really cool that you guys have programs around love and dating and relationships, and that's really important. Can you talk a little bit about manifestation in relationships and love?

Jessica Ashley Gill (13:24)

Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because there is a really deep connection between our sense of self, comparatively to our career, and also to relationships, basically love and our career or our money or even our home, our senses of security and safety for us. So it's, how do we relate to feeling worthy of those senses of safety, those senses of security, et cetera. And how do we know that we don't actually need that external thing in order to have those have that sense of safety? So someone who's manifesting a partner, I mean, one of the inventories we have in our unblocked love is like, look at your past few relationships. If you had a list of all the things that you wanted to manifest in this new dream partner, every single item, and it really felt aligned to you. It wasn't superficial, it wasn't a societal norm. It wasn't because your mom said you should always date a doctor. It's because you really genuinely, it's important to you. And then you look back at everyone You've dated, where have you settled, where have you played small, where have you known that that wasn't the relationship for you, but you didn't get out of it, or you didn't take any action to leave because you like the comfort of just having someone around. Right? Like that starts to point to, what are some of the things that are playing out? I mean, the first question I always ask anyone who is manifesting relationship is like, well, what, what did your parents model to you? What did you see of the relationship? And even if, let's say they're happily married, right? Are they happily married? But they don't travel and, and you love traveling. That is so authentic to you. You want to be just on the go, go, go. But you saw a happy marriage, met at home, lived in the same town your whole life, stay in that town and whatever, you're going to have a block because your subconscious has never seen that you can have the type of marriage that you want out there. You need expansion. You need to find people that have that loving, committed relationship, maybe that your parents had, but also has the nuanced things that you really truly love. I mean, my parents are divorced, so there was a whole plethora of things. I was like, okay, if you have this, this and this, you can't have love and this won't work and you can't trust and people will cheat and this, you know, I had so many layers to work through. But when you are honest with yourself and you, it's almost like the whisper beneath the truth. Your initial reaction is like, I don't have trust issues. And then when you're like, let's take a breath, what is that little whisper underneath? Like, do you really not trust people? Like, are you afraid that someone might abandon you or reject you? Let's just look at that. Because that's all stuff we can work on on our own before we're even at the place of manifesting someone else.

Courtney Johnson (16:13)

Yeah, I love that you bring up the idea of expansion and expanders. I think that's an amazing cheat code just to have in your back pocket. I think a great example of this is let's say you want to get your first six figure job in tech. You want to break into tech, but you don't know anyone that's making six figures in tech. You don't know anyone that's even working in tech. You don't even follow anyone or have anyone in your mind. That's such a foreign concept to you. So tell me about how somebody like that could find an expander for themselves or even how to think about expanders, what an expander is.

Jessica Ashley Gill (16:47)

So an expander is someone who is showing your subconscious that it is possible for you. Now, a lot of times we talk about expanders and fragments, right? They have a piece of the elements you want and when you have enough of them, they essentially become a full expander for you. You've had it's checked enough boxes where you're like, I've seen that person do this and this and this. And what the expanders are showing you is there's something about them that feels familiar to you where they don't feel that different from who you are. And thus what they have feels attainable for you. Now. So if you think about this example of a tech expander, well, I wouldn't even sure you can write the full expander as someone who works in tech, who makes six figures, who feels familiar to you in some sense. But before that, I would start looking for people who make, let's say you're making 40k, I would look for people who are making 60k, then people making 80k, then 100k, then I would look for someone who's adjacent to tech and then in tech, and then just slowly build up your arsenal of getting all the edges around the industry and pay attention. Like, what do they do, how do they operate? How did they get into the job that they're in? Someone who's making a hundred K, how did they operate around money? How do they spend when they go out to a restaurant? Like, there's very small habits that you can notice around these people. How they think about it, what their mentality is, how they're going about what they're doing, Even their route to success. It's not like it has to be your exact route, but you're like, oh, that's one way of getting there. Okay, cool, now I know I can do it. And then as you are taking aligned action, as you're unblocking, as you're doing all of those things, you can become your own expander. So let's say you're going after that career 100k in tech, but you work in, I don't know, finance and you are making a decent salary, maybe not 100k in finance. How did you go about getting a job in finance? Because at one point you were a novice, at one point you didn't have a job in finance, it was a brand new field. So how did you go about getting that? And no, it is not the same industry, but that same tenacity, that same resilience, that same adaptability you can now apply to your pivot.

Courtney Johnson (19:07)

Yeah, that's super, super helpful. I think having expanders is such a. Such a big cheat code. And one way you can do that is by surrounding yourself with people who have already normalized the goal or parts of the goal. So I always say, like, if you want to maybe get fit, maybe it would not be the best idea to go to a gym where nobody's fit yet, they're all beginners. Maybe it would be a good idea to go to a gym or like a class or something where people are more intermediate so you can see them and you could say, okay, that's possible for me. You can also do this online. One of the things that I did when I was like, fuck it, I want to start making money. I want to be an entrepreneur. I made a new Twitter account, and I only followed people who were female entrepreneurs that were a few steps ahead of me. And I literally made that my whole social media consumption until I started seeing it was possible. So, although maybe depending on where you live, depending on what you're trying to call in, it might be difficult to find people in person, you can make a digital, you know, ecosystem where you're following these expanders and finding these expanders 100%.

Jessica Ashley Gill (20:11)

Yeah, we call it your hidden expander account. And you only follow, let's say, 100 people. And it's just private, just for you. It's like your finster. Just follow those people, be inundated of what they're doing, of what they're posting, and really focus on what about this feels attainable. And now if it feels like too much of a jump, if it feels like that feels so far off, maybe they're. Maybe they're a broader expander. But focus on someone who's a step above where you're at and then another, you know, like, go from that place. If they feel so far out of reach, it's not really going to be super helpful yet. You can have them in mind, but, like, look at the people who are one step ahead. And obviously, like podcasts and interviews and social media helps a ton. But get in person with as many people as you can for expanders, because there is something about physically seeing the other human being. It humanizes them in part because we kind of have these parasocial relationships to people online. But when you're in person or a phone call or even podcast, a little bit better because you hear the voice too, but there's just Something about the in person that like, it clicks faster. You're like, oh, you buy that water bottle, I buy that water bottle. We can both do that. Like, it's just a weird connective moment where you can humanize them in a new way and realize like, if they can do that, I can 100 do that.

Courtney Johnson (21:35)

Yeah, you stop putting people on pedestals too. You're like, oh, that's just a normal human with flaws. And that's helpful. Something that I find very interesting about manifestation is manifestation works when you're tapping into your desire. And a lot of times our desires are conditioned. Like we think we want to get married, or we think we want to buy a house, or we think we want to get our PhD or whatever the goal might be. Like, how do you tap into if you authentically want that thing or if you're being conditioned to want that thing?

Jessica Ashley Gill (22:09)

So I think it takes a little bit of practice. It depends how in tune you are with your intuition. Like the practice of manifestation is really understanding your truth, your intuitive truth, and then acting from that place and kind of dancing with the universe to get what you authentically want. And if you don't have a relationship to your intuition, like your truth versus your ego, then it's going to be a little tricky in the beginning. So I would say for someone who is just starting out, they're like, yeah, I think I know what my intuition is. Think about those, those ideas that pop into your mind or those gut feelings or those pulls or those calls, we call them pings that, that feel like truth that don't feel scary or fear based or scarcity based or like a lack mindset or any sort of like hierarchy. It doesn't feel impulsive, like I have to do this now, I have to do this now. It feels more like a calm knowing, almost like a, like a quiet curiosity. It's like, huh, that feels really interesting. Or ooh, yeah, that feels good. I mean, you could even practice it on what you want to eat for dinner and notice what pops up, like, do I want tacos or sushi? And feel how your body resonates to what that truth is. We have a deep imagining called pings that in that di gives you an exercise to, to really clock a sensation of truth in your body. So when you have pings, when you have intuitive ideas of what you want to do or what you want to manifest or what actions you want to take, you can really feel into. Is this true for me or does this feel like I'm trying to fit into A norm, or I'm trying to please this other person, or I'm actually lying to myself and, like, I don't really want this at all. The. The more you can tap into your truth, I think the more you can connect to your authenticity, which is going to create magnetism and allow you to manifest.

Courtney Johnson (24:14)

I love that. Yeah. A cheat code I have for tapping into that authentic desire is just asking yourself, what would I be doing every day if I had a billion dollars a day and I had access to anybody in the world? I had every connection. I didn't have anybody judging me, nobody looking at what I'm doing, nobody seeing what I'm doing, no family, culture, influence. I didn't have my partner start from zero, go back to absolute zero. What would you be doing with unlimited resources and no influence? And then you can say, well, yeah, I mean, duh, if I had a billion dollars, every day, I'd make art every day. I wouldn't be in this job. And then it's like, all right, you would make art every day. Let's think about that. What does that look like? Or maybe it's like, if I didn't have these influences, I would be in a different kind of relationship. Okay, what does that look like? Like, when you really stop to think about unlimited access, unlimited resource, you can really tap into that desire because you don't have these programs on top of.

Jessica Ashley Gill (25:10)

It a hundred percent. And I think, too, a lot of people, when it's so broad, they're there, it's like analysis paralysis. They're like, oh, there's too many options. I don't know. I would even just start with, like, you can literally do anything you want tomorrow. You have full access to anything. How would you just spend one day? Like, you don't have to figure out your whole life trajectory or what you want to do forever, but tomorrow, what would you want to do? Like, what would feel so exciting and good to you? And if there's any semblance of a should in there, like, I should do, blah, blah, blah, blah. Cut it out. What do you want to do? Like, try to get in touch with that energy as much as possible.

Courtney Johnson (25:48)

Yes. One of my cheat codes is eliminate the word should from your vocabulary completely. Completely. Like, there is nothing we should do. We are making a choice for everything. And when you say the word should, you are being kind of in victim mode. You are being in. I. I'm being forced to do this. And of course, there are things that you need to do. You need to feed yourself or you'll die. But you can still change the word to I get to. I get to eat an amazing lunch. I get to take a shower and feel really good. When you take out the word should, I swear to God, your life transforms.

Jessica Ashley Gill (26:26)

It really does. It really does. Because it, it shifts you into understanding that every. Exactly what you said. Everything you're doing is a choice. Is a decision. Like, one of the biggest ways we reframe, we talk about if people have resentment or feel in that victim mindset, or feel limited or feel in scarcity. It's like, okay, let's take the power back. What is one decision you can make right now, you have the ability to make right now that is going to be in alignment with your abundance, with your authentic self, with your manifestations. Like, really looking at. I do have choices in this situation. I might not like all my choices, but I do have choices to make, definitely.

Courtney Johnson (27:09)

And yeah, those choices might have consequences, positive or negative, but you still have choices. Like, you might say, well, Courtney, I am not consenting to, I don't know, following the law. It's like, actually you are. You are agreeing to that. You are choosing to do that. And if you don't, yes, there are consequences. However, it is still a choice you are making if you want to do that or. Or not. I want to come back to something that you said earlier, which is like, school, school conditions you. I actually find the hardest people to work with are the people that did best in school because they want to. They want you to give them the answer. They want you to give them the exact assignment. They want you to tell them exactly what to do, and they will do it perfectly to a T. And usually these are people that are a bit removed from their intuition and they, yeah, they're looking for prescriptions rather than getting in touch with their own again, like, desires and emotions. So, yeah, thoughts on. Thoughts on school.

Jessica Ashley Gill (28:03)

I definitely resonate with being the, like, good student archetype and really not wanting to do bad in school and wanting to get, you know, good grades and blah, blah, blah, blah. So pulling back the layers of, like, am I going to get in trouble for this? Like, is this okay to break the rules? Is it okay to do that? You can see how it. It feathers out to so many different things in life. One of the things that can make you so magnetic is the opposite. So when we look at okay in school, I learned that if I do X, Y, Z, I will get a gold star and praise and love and whatever. Great. So when you're going about things in life, you're probably going to approach it from that way that you saw. You got praise, love, et cetera. But how you're going to actually grow, how you're going to actually evolve is doing the opposite. So for that person who is like, I'm doing everything in order to the T, your invitation is to break the rules. Your invitation is to do something that feels so uncomfortably different or out of the norm. It's to look at the rules and be like, I'm going to skip that one or I'm going to do it this way, or I'm actually going to totally innovate on whatever this is and trust that if that feels good to me, that is right for me. And then in the inverse, right, if you're someone who's never listened to rules, you've always beaten on your own path and done your own thing or whatever, you're going to try to follow a little bit of a plan. You're going to actually try to put those prints parameters in. And it's not saying to get rid of your magic, right? Because each person has different magic in the way that they are programmed. It's keeping the essence of that. But getting yourself out of your comfort zone of where you might be stuck. It's like those, those programs may get you so far. Like the person who got great grades in school and did that. It got you A pluses, it maybe got you to the school that you wanted. It maybe even got you in a great job. But if you're not fulfilled at this juncture of life, if you're feeling like you're missing that passion or desire, okay, now it's time to approach things a little bit differently and know that when we do it differently, it doesn't make us wrong. It actually gives us our superpower because it gives us a new way of operating, a new way of being.

Courtney Johnson (30:19)

Yeah, that's so, so helpful. I read somewhere, I think maybe it was in Big Magic or some book where it posed the question of what would you do if you were a bad girl? Start to write down everything that you would do if you were a bad, bad girl. And like, as I was doing this exercise, everything I was writing down was like, I would get a cleaner for my house. And then I'm like realizing, wait, why do I think, why do I think that's being a bad girl? It's because I'm, I'm not doing the task or I, I think something else I wrote is like, I would go to the spa more and I'm like, wait, that's being a bad girl.

Jessica Ashley Gill (30:51)

Why can't I just do that? Clearly I want it. Yeah, a part of you wanted to do it.

Courtney Johnson (30:55)

Yeah, exactly. But it's funny, I invite you to go crazy with the list because every time I've done this exercise or done it with friends, it's always like, I would learn a new language or like I would travel. Things that are like, so benign but. But because we're positioning as that would make me a bad girl. There was probably something that was conditioned of, yeah, you shouldn't be traveling or you shouldn't be delegating or don't take care of yourself or whatever, you know, all that. I love that.

Jessica Ashley Gill (31:20)

I mean, even asking yourself too, like, what's one thing you've always wanted to do but know that you can't or, or for some reason assume that that's not possible or you can't do it, whatever that answer is is likely on the route to the exact thing that you should be doing. The exact thing that is going to give you that life force vitality that's going to help align you with whatever your manifestation is.

Courtney Johnson (31:47)

I love that. That is so, so helpful. Okay, we are going to wrap up here. I'm curious if you have any other cheat codes or if there's something that we didn't mention that you think would be valuable for the audience.

Jessica Ashley Gill (32:00)

Another like aspect of the TBM manifestation work that I think is really helpful. That's very, very different. I haven't heard it in any other manifestation method before. TBM is tests. And tests are a way of working with that aligned action. It's like pinging back to your belief system as you're unblocking things and working through them. It's okay. Are you ready to not settle? Are you still gonna answer that toxic ex that you know you don't wanna be with? Are you gonna hold out? Are you gonna act in alignment with the version of self that you actually wanna be? Are you gonna slip back down to the old patterns and beliefs? And I think when we can kind of reframe opportunities in our life that pop up that are kind of questioning, okay, here's this situation. In the past, you used to react like this. But if you react like this, it's reinforcing that this limiting belief is true. But if you choose to act differently, you can start reinforcing that this reality is true. So I would just invite people to start to notice the things in their life that feel like they're testing them. Sometimes it can be what we call trigger tests. It's like having that big emotional reaction. Someone at work pisses you off or your Instagram isn't growing. Great example. You're, you're like, I've been doing all the things, it's not growing. I'm so annoyed. I feel so frustrated. I would look at that through the lens of a test and be like, okay, cool. In the past, how would I have responded to my account not growing? And if your answer is scramble, record a hundred pieces of content like panic, freak out, do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That is your opportunity to say, okay, let's take a pause. And what would someone who has the, the, the growth that I desire, how would that version of self react when the numbers aren't moving as fast as I want? Okay, maybe I ground my nervous system. I'd get back into that abundant mindset and I'd be like, let me look at my social in a brand new way. Like, what would be a really fun video to record right now? And maybe it's just getting that one video out that just feels so, so fun and exciting and good to you and that's going to pick up the trail and that's going to help you evolve and grow and connect to your goal. But, but it's that pause, that moment of oof. In the past, I used to react like this and it was dog paddling and it was from a low self worth belief versus how would I react if I actually believed without a doubt that this manifestation or this goal was going to come true? How would I respond to this challenge, this opportunity and start thinking about it in that context so you can start making more aligned actions in the place of your, your authenticity.

Courtney Johnson (34:45)

That is so helpful. I actually got a test this week. I stopped doing ghostwriting. It, it paid really well, but I've just, I'm not passionate about it. It's not scalable. It's not something I'm excited about. And I finally offboarded all my ghostwriting clients and then I got an opportunity of, hey, do you want to ghostwrite for this project? Project? It pays really well. And I was like, I don't want to do it, but I can go back into scarcity and take it because it's good money, but I'm not passionate about it. And I was like, no, I'm pass it on to somebody else that I know was more excited about the opportunity. So I'm like, oh, that's a test. And I, I learned about that from tbm.

Jessica Ashley Gill (35:21)

It's, it's tough to say no. But if you feel ready to say no, and you know in your heart it's not aligned, the faster you say no, I would keep note of what comes through for you in the next few weeks. Like, if you have another income portal open up or another financial opportunity that's way more aligned and probably way bigger than that ghostwriting opportunity. Like, it's wild when we say no that we're not going to settle for those old ways and move in the place of something that feels so authentic and aligned with us, something else is willing to take its place. So you just have to stop taking the breadcrumbs and allow the bigger, greater thing and trust in the bigger, greater thing to come and take its place.

Courtney Johnson (36:03)

Beautiful. Beautiful. Well, this has been so helpful. Thank you so much, Jessica. Where can people listen to you? Where can they find you? Where they. Where can they follow you?

Jessica Ashley Gill (36:12)

Yes. So weekly, we're on the expanded podcast anywhere you get podcasts. We have video on Spotify and YouTube. You can follow to be Magnetic on Instagram and TikTok. And you can follow me at Jessica Ashley Gill on all the socials and. Yeah. And then anyone who wants to check out the Tubing Magnetic workshop, DM me. Ask me any questions. I'm obsessed with this work. I've seen it change thousands and thousands of lives, including my own, so really believe in it.

Courtney Johnson (36:41)

Yeah, including mine, too. I. It's really incredible. Well, thank you so much. Thank you, Jessica. This is a great craft conversation. Okay, y'all, if you like this episode, you would love. Love My Patreon. Okay. You get exclusive access to me, exclusive content, tons of other resources, and a lot of juicy. Okay? So I hope to see you on My Patreon.