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Owen Hunt
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Courtney Johnson
Welcome to Slay the Gatekeeper. I'm your host, Courtney Johnson, and I am here to un gatekeep the gatekeep. Thank you so much for being here. Enjoy. So what I think would be helpful is, Owen, if you want to just give a little bit of background on what reality transurfing is, how you came across this mysterious tail text, and why people should care. Like, why. Why is this something somebody should spend the next 30 minutes listening to us talk about? So, sure.
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Owen Hunt
So I was digging in my backyard one day randomly, you know, and I found a trunk. The whole scavenger hunt from there, whole rolled out. No. Well, so, yeah, so it's a very interesting, mysterious book. I had never heard of it until 2016, and I was at the time, like, looking for any materials that I could to help me dig out of a pit of depression and despair. So I was reading a lot of spiritual and self help books at the time, and they all had great information. In fact, I would say that pretty much all these books are kind of saying the same thing. You know, if you were to look at all the Eastern philosophy and all the, you know, religious texts and all that kind of stuff, like, they really are kind of saying the same thing in. In a lot of ways, but maybe just from a different angle. And so at the time in 2016, I was kind of in a bad spot, right? And. And I was taking a course on how to become more social, which is like, that's how bad I was. Like, I'm a pretty social person, naturally. But I had gotten to the point where I really, I. I needed some coaching on literally talking to other human beings. And. And so I was taking a course on just that thing. And in the middle of the course, somehow or another, the instructor mentioned this book more or less under his breath, and it was like, yeah, you know, my friend read this book and then he started this business. He's really successful. It's called transurfing. You know, kind of like brushing it under the rug like that. But I heard it and I was like, wait, what did he say? And I, with the tap tape back and listened to it again. I was like, all right, I got to find this book. So I don't even think I ever really finished that course, but I found the book and I just like devoured it and I found like an e copy of the first part. It winds up, it's five books. This is how big it is. It's very exhaustive. But at the time, it was great because, like, it answered A whole lot of questions and like little nuances that other spiritual books and self help books maybe just didn't cover or didn't cover in the same sort of way. So that's kind of how I found it. And some of the ideas in it really opened me up because like, I was in a place where I was like a little bit conflicted about reality and what I was being told about the world was true, you know, versus what I had perceived with my own experience was true. And then what, you know, a lot of the sort of airy fairy, woo woo spirituality, just be positive kind of toxic positivity and spiritual bypassing kind of stuff was seeming to be. So this kind of cut through that and talks a lot about the negative things that happen and uses that kind of as, as an example and some evidence for manifestation in the negative sense. So it did a really good job of like explaining the mechanics, I would say, like, of manifestation and why the world works in a lot of the ways that it does. That seems to be pretty out of sync with our, you know, current view on reality. So I hope that makes sense as far as like.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, yeah. So you kind of had read a lot of these other spiritual books and they were telling you, be positive, think positive, we're all one, all these things. And you're like, yeah, that's great, but how can I think positive when I'm depressed and can't even make a friend and I hate my life? And that doesn't seem right to me. And so you found this other book that brings in kind of the shadow aspect or maybe some different aspects than just like, think positive, think about your goal and everything will be great. So what are those things? Like, how is this book different than other texts that teach you how to manifest? Which, by the way, yeah, there's a ton of texts that are just total bullshit. And they say you can manifest a million dollars by thinking about a million dollars five times a day, but you're not actually addressing the thing that's keeping you from getting there. You're not addressing like the wound or whatever. And I talk about this a lot of like subconscious reprogramming. You can have all the strategy, you can have all the execution, you can have all the tactics. But if you're not working backwards to see what's actually keeping you from going to that next level and then like alchemizing that thing, you're gonna be stuck for fucking ever. So anyways, is. Is that kind of the vibe of reality transurfing or what how does it. How is it different than these, like, toxic positivity books?
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Owen Hunt
Yeah, definitely. That is the vibe. I love hearing you talk about this stuff because you're all. You're always like, right on point about it. Honestly, like, I saw several people in my life who are friends of mine, that we worked in production together who just, like, had amazing lives. And I saw them just naturally living these principles out that he talks about in the book. And I was like, how are they doing this? You know, like, sometimes I would do it a little bit, you know, and just basically just, essentially just be, you know, the. The best version of themselves. You know, they were just fun to be around, enjoyable, always in a good mood, positive, but it wasn't fake. Right. And so I would see people actually being able to do that. And one of the things that he says in the book is that I don't wish dreams don't come true. I don't wish, I don't hope, I intend. And so intention seems to be like a really big. It is probably the biggest idea in the book, or certainly one of them. And the idea that heart and mind can collaborate and be unified. You know, when you're talking about manifestation, I always hear you say the same thing, which is what he's saying in this book is that you can't. It's not about manifesting outwardly, like creating stuff and getting a car or whatever. You have to become the person that would live in that reality. You have to put it. You are the image that needs to be reflected in the mirror. Or to put it in the. The one thing terms, you are the big domino that needs to be pushed over so that those other dominoes can start to fall.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, I think a good way to think about it is let's say you want to manifest a partner. You want to manifest a spouse. And you're like, my future spouse is making this much money. They're really fit. They're emotionally intelligent. They are pursuing their dream. They're. They have a great friend group. They're, you know, they've healed a lot of their trauma. If you want to attract a partner like that, then you have to be in great shape. You have to be pursuing your dream. You have to have healed your trauma. You have to have a good friend group, like anything that you want. You have to be the person that can step into that. So instead of just saying, I wish, I hope partner, this is my dream partner. Dream partner, dream partner. You have to become the dream partner. And that in order to do that, in order to step into that level of person you want to be, you have to go through and, like, face some dark shit about yourself.
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Owen Hunt
Yeah, it's so true. And one of the things that he talks about in the book is how we always get what we don't want. You know, the idea of Murphy's Law or Sod's Law, you know, and you can see that because it's so easy. It's so easy for the person who is unlucky, you know, because we have a natural propensity in our wiring to watch out, to survive. Right? Like, first and foremost to survive. So we're gonna watch out for the negative first. So really the whole shift is to be able to switch that and turn it on its head and start to see the positive and then use confirmation bias to be like, oh, yeah, good things are happening for me. You know, like, check it out. This amazing thing happened. And then that creates this slowly building wave, the wave of fortune, that ultimately, you know, things are on a cascading successful track as a result of the attitude that you have. But yes, in doing that, there are going to be some definite moments where we have to stop and do some. Do some self work. I mean, to me, that's why I think, like, comedy was so important for me in my development, because it forced me to face things that I may not have in that sort of spiritual, you know, toxic positivity. Let's just skip this part because it hurts, you know, Princess Unikitty kind of disposition. It's like you're just repressing everything that you don't want to acknowledge, you know, and it's like, super duper unhealthy, then you just explode. That's not good. But we can see how easy it is to manifest negative things and to use that as an example, you know, like, whatever your heart and mind agree on, essentially, is what it says in the book is what you're attracting to you. That's your authenticity. And in the moment, if you're harping on a bunch of terrible things that can happen, then you literally are just drawing those things to you. Not to mention you're living in a pretty brutal mental world just by harping on that stuff, just by having it in your psyche in the first place. But when we basically focus on what it is that we want instead of what we don't want, which most of us are inclined to focus on what we don't want, and then start taking steps in that direction very much like Bhagavad Gita, like, you know, Passionless action or detached action. Then we just, like he says in the book, take one step in front of the other to the letterbox. So, you know, we're not. It's not a big deal. There's not a whole lot of importance, as he calls it, or in the east, it might call it attachment. But I like the. I like the emphasis on the idea of importance because it doesn't mean that you don't care at all. Detachment kind of seems like, you know, you've become this autonom automaton who doesn't have any emotions. It's like you can still care. You just don't want to care too much, you know, and that is actually part of it, like the. The recipe to success. There's an emotional aspect to it that no one really talks about. And that's what this law of attraction, you know, manifestation sort of world attempts to. To talk about. And I think it does a good job in large part, but there are definitely a lot of people that just oversimplify the message. And then I think people get off track because they think they can just lay on their couch and, like, visualize some stuff, and then all of a sudden it's going to become a check in the mail. And it's not. It's not that simple.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, there's a few things I want to double tap on. One is the specificity, like, in the detachment. How I think about detachment is like, again, let's say in the context of dating, you're saying, you know, I really want to manifest dating, gym from the, I don't know, product team. I. My co worker, Jim, is really hot and I want to manifest him. Exactly. Well, that's what. That's. That's a specificity. That's an attachment towards a certain person. Instead of doing that, you can think, what are the qualities that they have that I really want in a partner? And I'm going to manifest some. Somebody with that quality or, oh, my God, this is my dream job. I have to get it. This is the only thing. This is my dream job. Well, what makes it your dream job? Is it that company has a good community? Is it that you're going to be creatively expressed? Is it that you are going to be on these certain projects working with this type of client, and you're going to feel, blah, blah, blah, like, those are the aspects to manifest rather than just like, it has to be this thing, this person, this amount, this job, or like this house. Right. Like, instead of like, that is my house. Actually, I did Manifest a specific house. But I feel like that's rare. More like, how does this make me feel? And then something else that you talked about was clocking the positives. Oh, my gosh. A cheat code that has been really helpful for me that one of my friends taught me is I'm like, look, I'm feeling so unorganized. I'm feeling so chaotic. And she was like, you need to get a notes app on your phone and clock every time you feel organized. Okay, I did the dishes. I feel organized. My inbox is at zero. I feel organized. I threw out the coffee cup in my car. I feel organized. And you literally are training your brain, like you're saying, to have a positive feedback loop. And that is going to help more and more and more. So I love that.
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Owen Hunt
Yeah, that's awesome. I love that, too. That's great. Yeah, that's. I mean, that's like the. From the Winter Effect is a newer book, but, I mean, all this stuff is just as old as the Bhagavad Gita is. It's really just about celebrating the action. So every time you do that, you're like, I feel organized. I did a thing. Celebrate. That's great. And then we can take that even further where he says that even in the, you know, negative moments, those should be celebrated too, because if it works out, great, but if it doesn't, something even better is coming along. So.
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Courtney Johnson
Yes. That is so important. I love that. I know. I keep using the example of dating, and I am not dating. I have a boyfriend. But whenever I was dating, and every time someone would break up with me or wouldn't work out, I'm like, yes, that's amazing. I'm so happy because I'm gonna find someone exactly like that person with all those qualities, but a little bit better. But a little bit better in these ways. Maybe they'll be a little taller, you know?
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Owen Hunt
Right?
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Courtney Johnson
Or like, oh, fuck, I got laid off from my job. That means a new job is coming. That's probably going to pay me more money. Fuck, yeah, I got laid off from my job. Whenever people say they got laid off and they're coming to me like, Courtney, I need LinkedIn help. I got laid off. I'm so sad. I'm like, hell, yeah. I'm so proud of you. That's awesome. That means great things are coming. Like, yeah, okay. I also want to talk about intention. So you talked a bit about the importance of intention rather than wishing or hoping, like setting an intention. Can you explain a little bit more.
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Owen Hunt
About that, yeah, intention is really a big, big part of the book. And that also comes from when your heart and mind are in agreement with each other. You know, like, that is part of that thing where we're once again separating this idea of manifestation from getting stuff from the world. Give me, give me my stuff, to being like, hey, what do I really need? What's going to make my life awesome in a celebration? And click with me, like, what are the things? You know, I mean, it might be for somebody. It might be a 5,000 foot square foot house with a, you know, with a view for somebody else. You might want a little cabin in the woods. Everybody's different, you know, but like, intention is really is. Like, is it is our superpower as human beings? Like later in the book he says that, you know, is it possible that aliens build the pyramids? Sure, maybe. But like, all of these spiritual teachings are pretty much derivative, I would say, of kind of all. They're all coming from the same place in so many ways. Like, I don't know if that's ancient Egypt or Toltec tradition or what, because, like, there's all these pyramids everywhere. So he's saying, like, very likely the pyramids were built with intention, not by aliens or some crazy, far out, you know, sort of thing. Very likely intention. And so intention is something that we can understand really, really well. If you think about lucid dreaming, if you've ever had a lucid dream or become aware in your dream, what he's saying is that in an elusive dream, what happens in dreaming is that our soul flies into the alternative space or infinity or the Akashic records. Every single night our mind turns off and then our soul just flies and does kinky, weird stuff. It has some fetishes, okay? So it does, it does all that stuff. So when it's in the dream space, it's just. Just running around infinity. That's why if you look in a mirror, you're not going to see your own reflection. It'll look like somebody else. It's pretty weird in a dream, but when your mind and your heart both become awake in the dream, so you're lucid in the dream. Now all of a sudden, you've unlocked intention. You can do whatever the hell you want. If you want to just start flying, or if you want to talk to someone or sleep with someone or whatever it is that you want to do, you can literally do it right there in that moment. And that's a great example of intention in the dream world. It happens immediately in the dream space, because it's, it's fluid there. It's not dense and inert like the thing, physical spaces. But in physical reality we do the same thing with our intention 100. We just have to navigate this like denser reality that is third dimensional. So it takes some time before, you know, we, you know, create the thing before we intend upon it and it shows up in the reality. So those are the same things. The idea is to become aware in the dream, in re, in waking life, and then all of a sudden activate an intention. And there are two types of intention we can go into a little bit more deeply that basically will harness us, you know, to our goal, give us momentum and start to bring our goal towards us as well. So we're in alignment with who we are. We're generating intention. We can see intention as if you're walking down the street and then you know who's going to go which way. Right. The intention is going to show us if someone's at a party and they need to like get to the bathroom, somehow we just know and we just get out of their way and then they're off. You know, that's pure intention. They're like, I'm sick, I need to go. And we're like, we pick up on it. So like that's, it's kind of a palpable thing, you know, like somebody walks up to the plate in a bottom of the ninth game and they just have a strong intention to win or Kobe in the finals or whatever. It winds up being like, you can feel that intention. And so there are two types. The author says inner intention and outer intention. And so inner intention is really of the mind. It's like we want this thing, we can, you know, we want to get this thing kind of thing very gimme, very self centered. Whereas outer intention is really about win, win, win. It's about setting up a situation where we get what we want, the world or other people get what they want and then the world is better as a result of all three of those things. So when people think about like God moves in mysterious ways or whatever, you know, like the most, the highest and best on the timeline or whatever. Like that's what we're talking about with the idea of outer intention. It should be something that we definitely benefit from, but also so does everyone else. So it's not a win lose, it's a win win all, all the way around.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, I, I have a good cheat code for starting to practice intention because it is important to, to almost make It a habit. So whenever you go to. So you're not forgetting, so you're whatever. So my cheat codes to practicing, setting intentions, it's start to set intentions around substances and then around new places. So for example, you might drink coffee or tea in the morning. Set an intention as you're drinking your tea. I am intending to feel very creatively fulfilled Today I am intending to make a new friend. Today I'm intending. Right. Maybe it's when you're out with your friends and you have a meal, maybe you set an intention before that. Maybe it's going into a new place. A lot of times if I go into a new restaurant or coffee shop or park, I will set an intention and just by doing it in small places in your day to day life, you're going to start to see like, oh, I see how this works. I see it and it becomes, it becomes a lot more clear.
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Owen Hunt
That's cool. I love that. Yeah. Is there anything as far as like expectations and how you manage those when you set your intention?
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Courtney Johnson
I usually set my intention around a feeling instead of an outcome. So that. So instead of maybe I want to make one new friend at this coffee shop, I might say I want to feel connected. So maybe I want. I'm not focused on the intention of making a friend, but maybe I do feel connected in another way. So when you focus on the feeling, it's hard for the feeling not to come. But if you focus on an outcome that could be a little bit harder. If you're attaching to the outcome, I.
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Owen Hunt
Think that's so wise. So it's such a, it's such a small tweak but it makes I think literally all the difference because like if you're going out somewhere to make a friend, are you not going to be this reeking of neediness, you know?
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, exactly.
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Owen Hunt
Hey, be my friend, sit down here with me at this table, you know, like. And I can literally get that excited when I'm meeting somebody.
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Courtney Johnson
But yeah, your intention is to feel connected and you don't meet anyone there. You can still follow through on that intention. Call someone, text someone, go give somebody some motivation. Like connect in other ways. Right. Go pet a dog.
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Owen Hunt
Yeah, yeah, connect. I think we're, you know, often we're, we're wanting connection with ourself too. So you know, that can come somewhat full circle given, given ourselves the things that we want to get from other people. Which is what he talks about in the book later called Frailing. It's kind of like the same idea Is like, it's similar to outer intention where you're reading off of somebody else what it is that they're intending for, what is their inner intention, what is it that they want? And then you give them that, and then it's much easier for you to get what you want usually comes all by itself. So if we're going to sit down and have a conversation and I want it to be heard, then I would listen first, you know, and then be like, oh, what's Courtney got to say? What's going on with her? You know, and just like, open up and take it in and listen and show you that I listen. And then when you felt like, okay, wow, I feel like I got everything out, then you might be like, what's up with you? And I'd be like, ah, I'm glad you asked. And then we'd share that way. So it's kind of a way to think about it.
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Courtney Johnson
Yes. Give what you want to receive. I also think it's important what you said earlier about everyone's desire being different, because I think there is some collective scarcity mindset where we're like, well, what if everyone wants to have a really successful business? What if everybody wants to live in the big house? What if everybody wants the this or that? Not everybody wants everything that you want. It's probably in your bubble. You think everybody wants the thing that you want. Like, I think, oh, my God, everybody wants to be an entrepreneur. That is so not true. That is not true at all. Like, no, a very small percentage of people in the world want to be an entrepreneur. Like, there is space for everyone. Going back to the dating example, I think it's like, like your type. Like, you have a friend did. You're like, what do you see in that person? They're really weird and awkward and funny looking, but they're like, that's the most amazing person I've ever met. Right. Everybody has different types. And you have different types, like, in your desires, in life.
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Owen Hunt
Yeah. He even talks about in the book, when we go after our goal, it's something that's specifically custom ordered for us. So, like, to think of it in a shop, everyone's standing in line waiting for the one generic can of Campbell's soup or whatever it is. And it's like, then you roll in, but you had a special order and it was like, you know, whatever fancy label, blah, blah, blah, specific soup to you that has the ingredients that you like and the spices and the flavoring that you like. You know, no one can compete for that. And it's something that we need to remember as we're, like, one of one. You know, like, there's no one else like you at all. So by really understanding your own authenticity, that's where our gifts are going to come from.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah. And you also talked about how, like, your manifestation could be somebody else's manifestation, too. Like, what you are desiring, Maybe you're desiring a great job and that other person is desiring a great new team member. Right. Like, our manifestations happen collectively. They happen together, which is quite beautiful.
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Owen Hunt
I think so, too. Yeah, it's amazing, actually, to kind of watch that happen. I had a friend not too long ago kind of come up to me and was kind of like, you know, a little bit. Had a little bit of an attitude. I heard you talking on Patreon about this where, you know, you had some people who. Who. Who maybe were throwing shade on influencers. You're like, wait a second. Like, that's kind of what I'm doing.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah. Did you have a friend throwing shade on comedians? Oh, no.
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Owen Hunt
I mean, it's hard. Throw shade on comedians. Like, you're going to get one back. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're kind of asking for it. But he was like, how's the transurfing thing going? You know, that kind of thing. And I'm like, dude, it's going really well. And obviously, if someone doesn't care to know about it, then I'm not going to try to convince them to, like, read it or to try it or any of that. Like, it worked really well for me. But basically he was like, yeah, you know, not everyone can just live their life where they're, you know, fully in alignment or whatever. And I'm like, okay, well, that's your opinion, man. Like, if we're never going to find that out, we're never going to be able to test that out. Is that just a way for you to be like, well, I don't. I'm not gonna try because not everybody could do it. So since not everybody could do it, then I can't do it, or I don't want to do it? Or is that an excuse? Is that a limiting belief? Are you nervous? Do you feel, like, afraid to. To try and. Or would you feel guilty if you could accomplish your dream and other people didn't accomplish theirs? Like, what's going on back there? You know? And I know we all have a lot of that because it's like, I want to see. I want to see good People win across the board. That's my. My hope that good people can win. Because there are these emotional factors that come in with success where a lot of not so great people are pretty. It's pretty easy for them emotionally to do some of the things that are required. They don't carry around a lot of guilt. For whatever reason, good people tend to carry around more guilt, you know, and it's like, we shouldn't, you know, but. But these little things like that. So I don't know. I say all that to say, you know, there's a. There's a lot of. There's a lot of really helpful advice in this book. But depending on how people take it, you know, whether or not they can believe it's true for them or whether they think that they deserve it or not. And that's really. Actually another one of the big points in the book is like, allowing yourself to have, like, allowing yourself to have the thing that you want and why would it exist and why would you want it if you couldn't have it? Like, that would just be the most torturous existence.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah. Like, why would God put a dream on your heart that you can't accomplish? That would be. Literal definition of hell is like, learn yearning and yearning for something that your soul desires so much and you can't accomplish it. Like, you don't have the tools and resources. That would be hell. And I don't believe that that is true. I believe that we have these dreams on our hearts for a reason. Like, there is a reason why we. Why we desire these. These things. Side note. Oh, my gosh. Comedy is so spiritual and it's so psychologically manipulative. Oh, wait. Okay. Two. Two things I want to say, but first. Yeah, I. Okay. What I think is crazy about comedy is when somebody is in a la. When they're laughing, when they're joyous, when they're like, think something is funny, they're. Their whole subconscious opens to programming. And you can reprogram people through humor so easily. So if I'm making people laugh and I'm also throwing in something that, like, whatever, I think it can be used for good, it can be used for evil. But I don't think that people understand the power of comedy. And I actually think I have, like, a theory, and this is going to come out way after the TikTok ban, but I have a theory that Trump has, like, a psychological manipulation PR plan with the TikTok ban. Like, I think it's going to go away. I think he will reinstate it. And then I think there'll be push a lot of memes where it's like, haha, thank you, Daddy Trump, we love you. Like it's almost going to start funny, but then it's actually going to sway public opinion in his favor through memes, through jokes, and through comedy, which people do all the time.
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Owen Hunt
People.
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Courtney Johnson
People just don't realize that this is like a political move. It's a psychological manipulation move. But I just want to surface that because you're a comedian and you understand the power in comedy and most people don't.
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Owen Hunt
No, they don't, but Austin does. It's a very thriving comedy scene. So much fun out there. And yeah, there's so many talented people. It's crazy. Like you, you guys were telling me that it's a living city. I think that's true too. And the people are so open there. I think that that kind of goes hand in hand. Like they're spiritually super open and they're comedically open. Like you can make jokes about things that people would probably take offense to in a lot of other areas. But I think that just speaks to the openness of the community, like what you guys are willing to take on spiritually. I mean, there was a freaking Rosicrucian meetup when I was there that I got to go through with Tip. I'm like, this would never happen where I live, you know, and. Or it would just be a honey trap, you know what I'm saying? Like, what's going on, guys?
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Courtney Johnson
Austin is so amazing. I'm so thankful to live here. Anyways, comedy is amazing and it's also a tool. And also, if you ever want to psychologically manipulate somebody, make them laugh, but hopefully you manipulate them for good. Okay, so another thing, you're talking about deservingness. So if you want to bring in a manifestation, you have to feel deserving of this. A great cheat code in first place to start with this is notice how you respond to compliments. Somebody said, hey, Owen, you did that project really well. You were great. Or Owen, you're looking super fit lately. Are you hitting the gym? Are you going to say no? No, no. I think it's just like I, I didn't, I didn't really help, you know, how are you responding to compliments? And if you cannot take a compliment, you probably cannot take more from the universe.
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Owen Hunt
That's a good, good point. Yeah. The have, allowing yourself to have thing, it's a huge sticking point. I mean, you know, back to this idea of guilt, you know, one Thing that we didn't talk too much about is this idea in the book called Pendulums, which is like energy and how it moves, you know, like these energetic informational structures which are represented by bodies, governments, any. Any sort of a group, you know, creates this group dynamic, creates a culture, a cult, like, creates this energy where we often give ourselves over to. And then we lose our individuality. So we could join, you know, have a career or a job or something, and then begin to take on really, the essence of that organization and then start to become that. And then we slowly, very surely lose our identity. We're not who we were anymore, and we're not exemplifying ourselves in an individual fashion. And so we wind up giving and giving and giving ourselves over to these conglomerates, these energy. I don't even know what you would call them, like, entities.
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Courtney Johnson
Energy vortex.
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Owen Hunt
Yeah, it's like a. Yeah, you could call it a vortex, a thought form. There's a lot of different egregores. There's a lot of different, like, words for it. But essentially just seeing kind of where all these energies are moving and how public opinion is being formed, because people are just kind of jumping into whatever that mainstream narrative is or just getting pulled or sucked into it, as opposed to having their own view of the world and being pretty, you know, pretty solid in that. Like intentionally creating your own view of the world and how you see the world as opposed to just kind of getting pulled along by all these different pendulums or ideas or energetic informational structures. It's pretty crazy to see energy move like that in. In real time. In reality, those are one of the influencing factors that kind of keep us limited and from being ourselves and allowing ourselves to have. We think, oh, well, because I'm X, Y or Z, because I belong to this organization or this church or this political group, I can't X, Y or Z, I can't have this. I can't have that. But it's like, what is empowering you? What are the things that are empowering you from being, belonging to whatever that structure is, and what are the things that are disempowering? Because all those structures are potentially destructive. They're not automatically destructive, but they are potentially destructive. So you could join a volleyball team, and it's a great thing. You go and do volleyball once a week. Or you can join a volleyball team and get completely obsessed with all the dynamics and the drama and everything that's happening to that volleyball team. Stop paying attention to your work life and eating. And I mean, you can go to the complete extreme. And then all of a sudden you become a complete adherent or a servant of this like culture that was formed by this volleyball team. And it's like a amateur one time a week volleyball team or whatever, but before you know it, you get completely sucked into the vortex of that thing. And then now all of a sudden you're working on its behalf and not on your own interest. And so that was what one of the things that was really, really cool about this book is. It's like you are here to be you, to allow yourself to be exactly as you are and to allow everyone else to be exactly as they are. So like, at the time, I'm like struggling with I gotta change the world or whatever, it's like, no, dude, you can't, you can't do that anyway. But you can work on changing your layer of the world and so that you aren't like doing the work of someone else's best interest, instead you're working on your own best interest and creating something that benefits you and the world around you. And so that's just another one of the ideas that's in the book that I, you know, I love sharing. It's kind of hard to explain, but if you think about it or if you've ever been somewhere and there was like a, like a, a big group of people doing like a, a protest or, you know, people started a flash mob or something like that, like these things, they happen, they just kind of like pop up out of nowhere. And then all of a sudden you see this thing happen that really kind of defies logic. It's like these people wouldn't normally do this. You know, there was an old book written about this called the Crowd by Gustav Le Bon. He's a French philosopher and he was talking about how people in crowds, even like a football game or something, will do things that is completely off out of their character. Like I've seen people at this Georgia football game throwing chicken bones at another person because they were wearing, you know, the other team's colors. You know, saying it's like you're throwing, you're a grown ass man throwing chicken bones at another human being. What does it matter? You would never do that at work on Monday doing crazy things because they get swept up in these energies and these ideas that really have nothing to do with them.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, yeah, it could be a waste of. A waste of time. It could. I, I think this is really, really important because what I see, people get sucked in the most obviously. Religion, politics, political Parties and sports. Like, sports is a great example. Sports can be so much fun and great. But yeah, if you're assaulting someone because they're wearing a different color than you, like, what the. And you might think, courtney, that's crazy. I would never do that. I don't know. I've also seen people I personally know say the most horrible things to other humans just because they're wearing a different color and they've had a few beers. I'm like, what the actual. You would never say this to, like. Anyways, so, yeah, we're. We're all. We all participate in these pendulums. Just start to notice when you're getting sucked into it and know that there's not a right answer. Like, I think that's also something just to surface. A lot of times we're like, what religion is right and what political party is right and what volleyball team is best and what sports team is best and what club is. Is best. What's the thing that will finally save me? What's the thing that's finally right? What should I do? There is no answer. That's the thing. There's no answer. There's not going to be something that saves you. It's all on you. You can choose little bits and pieces of this, but once you're, like, bought into a doctrine or a philosophy or something and not allowing any wiggle room or any change, you're in the pendulum.
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Owen Hunt
Yeah. Well said.
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Courtney Johnson
Love it. Well, is there any more tips, tricks, ideas that the audience might find helpful from the book?
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Owen Hunt
Yeah, there's a lot. There's so many. I mean, it's such a great book. Like, he does such a great job of, like, weaving in all the sort of nuanced things when it comes to a lot of these topics. When it comes to manifestation and. And these ideas, their slides are like, creating the ideal reality. But what you touched on as far as manifestation, I think is really worth reiterating that it's about the feeling and not the outcome. It's so easy to get locked in on this thing that we want so bad and see it so clearly. And every detail is perfect. We can. Can taste, touch, smell, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. The reason why we do that is to create the emotion in ourselves because the emotion is what is being broadcast out and then reflected once again back. So that's what's really important. Not this specific person, because that's witchcraft or this specific thing or whatever. Right? It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We just want to Understand what that emotion is. Create that through image and then blast that out and then start taking steps toward it, you know, and then celebrate every action, every action is worth celebrating for the fact that you're taking the action. So it doesn't have anything to do with the outcome. You went up and you talked to that person that you thought was cute. That's a win, right? Like, that's a, That's a win for you. You did a great job. You went for this job that you wanted or you, whatever it was, whatever action that you took, celebrate that action. And then that kind of hacks that dopamine drip so it becomes less outcome based and now it's action based. So now every time you, like, do something that pushes you forward, that expands your comfort zone, you're. You're rewarding yourself for it. So, yeah, that's what I would say. I love this stuff. If people have questions about it, they can see the hundreds of videos that I've done about it on YouTube. And then I'm doing a book club later on this month as well. If people are interested in that, they want to learn about that, they can hit me up and get more information about it.
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Courtney Johnson
You also do coaching around this too, right?
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Owen Hunt
That is correct. Yeah, I am, I am a coach. And this is pretty much my bread and butter system. Like, I've been studying this for like eight years. And so there are some sticking points and stuff that he talks about in the book doesn't necessarily. So, like, for instance, we were talking about allowing yourself to have. You have some great cheat codes for this stuff as well. And that's kind of what I've been working on, is just kind of filling in the gaps where there's maybe a little bit of resistance or some of the ideas aren't understood as well. You know, I work on this and then specifically purpose or finding your true goal, because that's what really lines up the heart and mind and gets you, you know, really in alignment with yourself and, and moving in the direction of authenticity and what your goal really is.
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Courtney Johnson
I love that. Yeah. Purpose, A lot of purpose comes from desire. It comes from unearthing all of the gunk that's, you know, in your soul and mind and really getting down into what do you actually want, not what you should do, not what you think you need to be, but what is your real desires. And sometimes it can be scary to go to that place. So I think it's great to have a. To have some help and guys, Owen's Content Owens Book Club his groups, his coaching is absolutely incredible. Um, how can they. How can they find you? What are your socials? Um, what's the best way to get in contact?
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Owen Hunt
Yeah, so Bootsy Greenwood. A simple Google search should do. Um, I. My website's bootsy greenwood.com, and then all my socials are Bootsy Greenwood of some form or fashion. There might be a dot or, like, an underscore in there somewhere, but Bootsy Greenwood is my pen name, Internet name. And then, yeah, my birth name's Owen Hunt, but there's a character on Grey's Anatomy that has that name, so it kind of ruined my Google credit. So I had to go with Bootsy Greenwood, which is just my stripper name. Like, derived from the street I grew up on and the first pet we ever had.
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Courtney Johnson
Oh, I love that. I didn't know that story. How fun. Well, y'all check out. Check out Owen's stuff. Um, oh, and thank you so much for coming on the pod.
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Owen Hunt
Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It's always a pleasure to. To chat with you.
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Courtney Johnson
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