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Nati
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Courtney Johnson
Welcome to Slay the Gatekeeper. I'm your host, Courtney Johnson, and I am here to un. Gatekeep the gatekeep. Thank you so much for being here. Enjoy. Okay. Welcome.
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Nati
Thank you.
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Courtney Johnson
Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to Texas. I'm so, so glad you reached out and I'm glad you can be here among all of the, the craziness.
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Nati
Yes. Thank you for having me. I enjoyed your. Everything that you're putting. It really stood out to me so much because, you know, when I was working in corporate, I, I, I felt so much like a outsider. I, with my business friends, I was too hippie. And then with my hippie friends, I was too businessy.
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Courtney Johnson
Dude, I, I, I feel that. I feel like I straddle that line every day, which is, like, why I'm so excited to talk with you, because I feel like there's this gap. Well, first of all, like, in the spiritual and, like, healing world, there's this gap of people not knowing how to speak to the business folks and, like, tap into the business world so they can. That's really where the work needs to be done. Right? Like, people that are in the healing world are already, already on the path.
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Nati
Yeah.
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Courtney Johnson
But it's being able to, like, resonate with those business folks on the level via their language and via their experiences without seeming to, like, woo, woo.
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Nati
Yeah.
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Courtney Johnson
And it's not that you can't be that. It's like, if you want to tap into that market, it's finding the balance. And I think you do that really, really well, which is why I wanted to talk to you. And then on the other side, I think you can resonate with the business folks really well to where you can help them, like, bring in some of these modalities and then. Okay. Sound therapy, whatever you want to call it, is the most accessible healing modality, in my opinion, because people don't have their guards up. Everyone has had an emotional experience with music, with sound. Everybody knows everybody's had a release. Everybody has emotional connections to it. So when I bring that up to clients, they're like, oh, yeah, I would definitely try that. If I bring up something a little crazier, they're like, no, absolutely not. I'm not comfortable with it. So that being said, I think it'd be helpful if you share your background, like how you got here and what you're doing.
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Nati
Thank you. Yes, My background. I mean, since I was a very young girl, I was always. I definitely had that sixth sense. I was definitely that sixth sense kid. Now it's Cool to have the sixth sense. Everyone wants to have that. Woo woo. You know? But it was definitely challenging growing up, and that kind of sent me to be a very rebellious teenager growing up in Miami. Like, you're going to the club at 12 years old, you're staying up until, you know, the next day. And, you know that I was very, very rebellious. But my life completely changed when I turned 21 years old. I ended up getting hired by someone who's very, very big in business. And he took a super big liking in me, at least it seemed like it. I think they saw a kid that was so eager to hustle and to work. And so I got mold master salesperson. And so I learned how to become a master communicator. And my job specifically was assigned to handle all of the hardest clients because I had a thing where I loved seeing problems and I loved providing solutions, right? And I had always been attracted to problems, clearly. So for the first time in my life, I was like, okay, I can make money off of this. So my job was to take, like, the biggest refunds and, like, people canceling the biggest contracts and making money off of that. And so I killed it. I, you know, by, you know, 25 years old, I was a top executive. I generated over 50 million in revenue. I had the largest apartment. I loved helping business owners. But deep down, what was happening was that I wanted to have deeper conversations. It's like me talking to you right now. Like, imagine if when I first met you, I wouldn't have been able to be like, yo, what was it like? You know, I've always been a little weirdo. I've always been like, I like, you know, I like rich conversations. I like the freak shows. I like, you know, I like to get real. And so I had to follow this very corporate kind of thing. Even though, you know, what we were doing, there was still, like, the weirdos in business, but. But still. And so I always knew that I wanted to help people on a more intimate level. I wanted to, you know, I saw that these business owners were coming in, we were helping them with their business. They were super happy financially, but they would go home, and there was still something deeper that was missing. Same thing when I was training staff. I had to sell people. Children, kids, because they were like 18, 19 years old. On the fact that, hey, I know you're gonna come and you're gonna do sales and you're gonna get great at a job that you hate, but it's only because it's gonna be a vehicle to get you closer to what you wanna do in life. But I had to believe in. I had to see that mission that they had, if not. Of course not. And so I craved that always, like, more, more than that. I always push, you know, everyone would be in. In the office and their high heels and their bl. Still in my combat boots. I was still like, you know, I tried to always stay with little Natty, you know. So that's where House of Vibration was born. I was like, listen, everyone's investing in real estate. Everyone has all this money. I was able to take care of my parents financially. I was able to do a lot of really incredible things for a young girl. But I said, I want to start something that I feel is missing in the world and I want to start a place that people can come to. And it's not all just woo woo, like we're saying. It's not all, all just money, money, money either. There is an in between part of being human and the human experience is me and you. The vibration that we have between us right now, that is so important. But also I needed to learn how to communicate effectively. I needed to follow up. I needed. I wouldn't have been able to learn those things unless I had gone and passed the gatekeeper. Right. So that was really where House of Vibration was born. I first did it as a faceless brand because I still belonged under contract, you know, with this company. And I was doing so well. And of course, why would I think about leaving, you know, doing something like that? It's kind of crazy. Started a spiritual business. What? My parents are like, you're insane, girl. Like, no, no, you're staying where you're going. You don't even have a college degree, girl. Like, hold up, you're about to be a millionaire here. Like, yeah.
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Courtney Johnson
Can I say who you're working for?
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Nati
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Courtney Johnson
You're working for Grant Cardone.
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Nati
Yes.
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Courtney Johnson
Which is crazy.
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Nati
Yeah.
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Courtney Johnson
So, yeah, you're in this like, perfect, successful role and you're like, I'm gonna start my own thing. That's bold.
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Nati
It was pretty ballsy of me.
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Courtney Johnson
That is ballsy.
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Nati
And it was, it was very hard because since I came in so young, at 21 years old to 31 years old, pretty much I was a child. It was all I knew. And so to take those risks was the scariest thing of my life. But God, great spirit source, whatever you believe in, kept on showing me over and over again that I was meant to do this. I never dreamed of. And when I have my coaching clients when they come in and they tell me, nati, I know you're gonna tell me to quit my job. And I was telling, I'm not gonna tell you to quit your job. You're actually wrong. I had a. It's a funny story. I had a client, a young girl. She started her process, you know, and she said, me, nothing. I. I'm a little scared to continue to invest in myself and continue on this journey because I'm an only fans model, and I don't want to stop doing only fans. And I'm like, I'm never going to tell you to stop doing only fans, girl. I'm like, I know. I know what I do, but I'm never going to tell you to stop chasing that money. Like, but I wanted to have a reason. I don't want you to just be doing things for doing things, you know, because, like, just like any job, it's exhausting after a while. Like, whether you're a waiter, whether me and you, with what we do, we're thinking about, you know, I'm doing this. You're doing this podcast today because it's going to get you closer to the things that you want to do. And so I'm like, I'm never going to make someone quit their job, like, unless it's like, okay, you're learning a lot of information from a job or you're getting overpaid. I learned that very, very well, you know, so that's a little bit of how I ended up in this spiritual world. And it's really an in between. It's now I call myself an energetic business consultant because it's business. Money is just such a. It's a spiritual experience, dude.
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Courtney Johnson
It is. And I feel like a lot of people resist it because money and capitalism is a very imperfect system. However, it is the system we are working in. But I think because it is something that is inherently flawed, that people really run away from it, especially, like spiritual folks. But truly, you can have this transformational process through the pursuit of more impact and, like, growing a business and creating something for others. It is such a valid spiritual experience. And I want the spiritual folks to know that.
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Nati
Oh, my gosh, that was. Yeah, that was challenging, you know, So I left that world, right? And I said one of my things was, I don't want to leave and have any clients from that space. I wanted to start brand new. And so I thought that my co workers in the corporate world were toxic until I came into the spiritual world, girl. The spiritual influencers.
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Courtney Johnson
I've Met. I've met some of them that are toxic.
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Nati
My spiritual influencers. Yeah, it is.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, it was.
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Nati
I call my new co workers.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, that was felt.
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Nati
That was. That was super eye opening. I was like, I could. I could really couldn't believe it. But what I found was not healing from the root, right? Because for us, right, we've had to have jobs that we've hated, you know, And I think that builds something. When you build that foundation to get great at something you absolutely hate to be able to provide or be able to get you closer to the things that you want to do, that heals that part. Your protection, right? That's where our money comes from. Our root chakra. And so a lot of times, so I do aura analysis and I do chakra analysis. And I always find within, you know, these community leaders, a lot of times, not all of them, but a lot of times the more mysticism ones is that the root is. Is. Is very. That's the one that they need to work on. And I call it the. The Kanye effect, where the third eye, you're seeing. They're seeing a lot. They're being guided by all these beautiful visions. And we need these visionaries in life, but their root is all sorts of effed up. So that was. That was a big eye opening experience that I was like, okay, all right. So that's where I found a lot of opportunity as well. I'm like, okay, I need to help this bucket as well of people because they have so many beautiful gifts there. There's no reason why, you know, they shouldn't be making money. You're literally out here doing God's work.
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Courtney Johnson
Literally. Like, I think in the inverse, too. Like, the thing that I want the business people to see is man. I. Oh, my God. I work with so many people that are like, I want to get to the next level in my business. I want to finally start my side hustle. I want to finally build a personal brand. But they're not open to going deeper and, like, unearthing some of these limiting beliefs or maybe wounds. And for the business folks, too, I'm like, okay, but you got to be a little open to this.
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Nati
Yeah.
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Courtney Johnson
Like, that is the. I think that there's three ways that people become wealthy and powerful, and one of them is you inherit it. That's an option. Two, your wounds bring you there. So you have, like, narcissistic traits that because of your wounding, that makes you an effective leader. Maybe not a good or positive leader, but an effective leader. So you do gain Power through pain. And then the third is people who gain power, influence, and make an impact through healing and like that. There is no other option. Yeah, I don't think there's.
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Nati
That's a really good little. I like that formula. It's so true when you're serving, but this is the thing when people are serving. I knew very young I had a servant heart. I was here to serve. Like, serves at all times. But what happens is when you see with the healers and the people who are, like, constantly giving, giving, you see them in your family do, is that they are. They put up these walls, right, where they're like, so addicted to giving, giving, giving, giving, giving. How does the univers. The more you give, the more you will receive. But if you have yourself blocked, right, where you're only giving, giving, giving, you end up bruising yourself. You end up bruising yourself because you're not allowing yourself to receive. And that has to do a lot with our sacral energy not allowing the pleasures of life. You've given so much. Why do you not think that you're worthy of receiving?
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Courtney Johnson
So if somebody's experiencing that, what can they do? Like, how can they're like, all right, I want to get to this next level, but I know I have these blockers and, like, how do I even start to address that?
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Nati
So I. I believe that. And there's a lot of other amazing people, philosophers and educators and teachers that. That can have. Remember this because this is a language, right? There's some things that me and you will sit here and we'll talk about and we'll be like, how do you know that? How do I know that? I don't know. We came here already with it, like a clear understanding of it. And for those of you guys that are going to be watching, you're going to be like, oh, you're going to relate to me. You're going to relate to Courtney because we're speaking in the same frequency, right? This light language, whatever you want to call it. But when that happens, right, we're here on Earth, right? It's understanding that you were sent here on a mission for some reason. You had a conversation. I like to think of it a conversation with God. And he said, listen, you're going to go to Earth. You're gonna. It's super exciting. Like, look at all the things. You're gonna fall in love and blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, yeah, it's gonna be so much fun. Yeah, I'm gonna fall in love. I'm gonna have children. I'm gonna make a lot of money. Oh, my God. All the pleasures you feel, all the pleasures, he says, but also these things can happen to you. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all good. Like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna have so much fun. And he says, but there's one condition. You have to do this. And somewhere along through lifelines, it's. We forget. That's the way most of the times. It's not that you don't have a passion. It's not that you don't have a purpose. It's just that you cannot remember. And it's just a matter of. That's why journaling and meditation and retreats, like, it's in the retreats. Retreats are so beautiful because you have an opportunity to sit down and just bring in all that information, you know. So it's about giving yourself the space to remember the things that you want to, that you were sent here to do. And then I call that the awakening. When you become so unreasonable about what you were sent here to do, like, I am, I see it. It's just in your demeanor. It's in how you speak and how you carry yourself that you are unreasonable. You are just convicted. Right. There's some people you meet and they're just. They carry that magnetism. That's magnetism, right. That conviction. Right. And so when. And everybody has it, but it's not that you don't. She has a gift and. I don't know, it's just give yourself the opportunity to remember.
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Courtney Johnson
That's so beautiful. Anytime I've ever had any sort of, like, downloads or ideas or whatever, you're right. It's never coming to me. It's a remembrance. It's not. I remember that. And it might not feel like it, but if you sit with it, you're like, ah, yes, this is remembering. Although every single plant medicine ceremony I've ever done is like, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember. I'm like, I know.
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Nati
Yeah. Then it becomes a lot.
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Courtney Johnson
I've been knowing this shit all along.
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Nati
Yep.
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Courtney Johnson
So your advice for those people is like, you're not different than anyone. Like, like you have a purpose too. And like, recognize that. And the way to, to step into that purpose is through. Through healing and remembering, remembering, remembering, doing.
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Nati
I always. And in terms of passions and like, purpose, I always say, like, I didn't always know that I wanted to do specifically, like how it looks like right now, but I did, like I said, know that I had this servant kind of energy to me. And I knew that if I gave it my all at whatever God gave me, that I would remember. And so there was times in my life where I had to do things that I didn't want to do. Whether it was clean houses or do things for money that I didn't really. I'm not so proud of. Nothing too crazy. Don't get too excited.
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Courtney Johnson
Okay.
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Nati
I never did onlyfans or anything like that. There was no onlyfans back then. How old are you?
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Courtney Johnson
29.
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Nati
Okay. You're my age. Yeah. What sign are you?
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Courtney Johnson
Taurus.
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Nati
Okay. I'm a Virgo.
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Courtney Johnson
I love Virgos.
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Nati
Yeah. I love Taurus. We get it. That's what I'm saying, you know?
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
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Nati
But I always knew. Yeah, I always, I always knew that the more I did, the more I did, the more I would get closer to it. And it's like the question is, why aren't you passionate about everything? Instead of. I haven't found passion. No. It's like, why are you not passionate about the smallest things?
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah. Obsession and passion beats out at everything. It beats out hard work, it beats out creativity. Like upset the thing you're obsessed with. You can literally be like the only person in the world.
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Nati
Yeah.
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Courtney Johnson
You could be number one if you're obsessed with something. Yeah, I'm. I'm curious. One thing I think you do really well is again, you're in these healing modalities and you're relating to business people like you have. You're relating to entrepreneurs, you're relating to executives and they're able to. To, like, yeah, just like relate to you on their level. How. How do you, as a healer, relate to these business folks in a way where they're like, yeah, I want to work with you. You are who I need to work with. Rather than being like, no, no, no, that's too woo woo for me. How do you, how the fuck do you do that?
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Nati
Like, truly, it's challenging.
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Courtney Johnson
I need to, I think everyone needs to know.
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Nati
It's cha. That is very challenging. So I, I have a three tier system that I use. Tier one is people when they're first realizing, okay, so if you're watching this and you're like, okay, I don't really know what I'm sent here to do. Like, I know that I have some healing that I like, I know I need healing. Whether it's your relationship with your mom, your dad, or some things that happen, inner child, past lives, whatever, that's a whole other thing. So if you're like, okay, I don't know why I'm here. I just. That's my tier ones. So that is a lot of, like, ancestral work. Tier 2 awakenings or think about you. Like, I. I don't know your full.
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Courtney Johnson
Full story, but I had an instant awakening.
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Nati
You had an instant awakening?
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Courtney Johnson
It was a. Yeah, it was like, happened all at once, really. Yeah, I. I was partying. I was a totally different person. I was partying one night and I had come across a bag of mushrooms that somebody bought and I, like, was eating the whole thing overnight and ended up being like, seven. No, it was like five grams that I ate. They're really strong, so it's really like seven grams. And I was like, these mushrooms don't do anything whatever, like, keep eating them. And then I was also, like, drinking, I was smoking, and then boom, it like, all hit me at once. And I had like a crazy trip. And I was also, like, super atheist and I was like, met God. Like, it totally shattered my worldview, but happened instantly. I mean, over the course of a few hours, like in this trip that I was not expecting. And then my entire life, like, changed. And that was my awakening of like, oh, like, I'm here for more. I have this purpose. There's this, like, cosmic purpose.
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Nati
Yes.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah. But a lot of people have spontaneous awakenings.
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Nati
I. I agree. I. I love. That's why I love drugs, you know?
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, me too.
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Nati
I mean, I mean, okay, we're talking about, you know, not all drugs.
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Courtney Johnson
Okay.
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Nati
But I'm sure they all have their purpose. Whatever. Yeah, go eat mushrooms. Whatever you got to do. I mean, shit. I mean, listen, life itself is pretty crazy. You can experience some really psychedelic things just right now and being sober, you know, but, you know, if you. If you want to just do it. We're. We are endorsing Drugs are Cool guys.
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Courtney Johnson
Everyone go take drugs. Yeah. I think if you are like, nah, that's not my thing. Go do breath work.
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Nati
Yes. That's like, I'm saying.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah. So DMT releases your brain in like, under an hour and you'll be tripping. So when you're.
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Nati
Yeah, so I got. I got lucky at the same time because even though it was, you know, very young, I was doing DMT at such a young age, at 13, 14 years old. So. Yeah, you know, I know.
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Courtney Johnson
That's why I say better DMT than like, crack.
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Nati
Yeah. Find that anywhere. But anyways, that's wild to me.
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Courtney Johnson
That's like middle school.
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Nati
I know. I was so bad in middle school.
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Courtney Johnson
I really was actually a dmt for the first time, like, two weeks ago.
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Nati
Really?
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah. And it wasn't crazy. Everybody's like, oh, my God, DMT is the craziest drug you can do and whatever.
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Nati
Where'd you find it?
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Courtney Johnson
I did a ceremony. Oh. And I was like, I want to try that. And it just felt like a really strong weed high. I don't know. Yeah, no, it wasn't very crazy. It was just like all love and fuzziness. But I didn't.
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Nati
It's.
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Courtney Johnson
I didn't see DMT land.
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Nati
I. For me, DMT was. Helped me a lot understand time.
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Courtney Johnson
Oh, interesting.
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Nati
Yeah, that kind of. It helped me understand it. And I can't explain it, but, you know. Well, yeah, so. So that's what I call Tier two. Okay. So imagine you, when that experience happened to you, that you would have had to. You had to come back to work and you had to do all the things that you were doing. And then you're like, I hate my job so much. I hate it so much. And you. So there's two different types of people, right? Like, the people who are just like, I'm gonna stay here and just hate it for the rest of my life, or the people who are like, no, like, there's a reason why I'm hating this so much. And so that's what I call tier twos. And so sometimes in that point, it's okay, I need actionable items. And so you need people that are very like, Like. Like me and you, like, being reasonable about this. I'm not going to let you slack. And so we, like, build things out. And then there's my tier threes. And so my tier threes is, to answer your question about my business owners, what I find a lot with business owners is that usually everybody thinks they're doing so well. Everybody thinks they're so perfect. They have all the money.
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Courtney Johnson
They're the.
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Nati
They're. They're the person in family who has taken responsibility, but they start to see that responsibility like a burden. And so inside they're just like, ooh, like, I'm freaking out inside. I'm working in these cycles instead of on these cycles. And so there it's again, back to the thing about the pleasures. Give, give, give. Okay, now it's time to receive. And the biggest thing is trust. They lose trust. If you. I'm sure you. You can agree with me on this. When you started doing this, you start to see people's true colors.
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Courtney Johnson
Mm. It's activating. It'll push every button you have and pull every Trigger for sure.
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Nati
Wow. My best friend can't even like my freaking post. It's so silly. It sounds ridiculous. It sounds so ridiculous. But I understand now. Celebrities, right, when they're like, you know, they get so big, and then the person's. Their family's like, but I was there all along. But it didn't feel like you were there all along. So that's why I always say, being a business owner, extremely lonely. It's extremely lonely because you're doing everything for people. Even, like, people see all these big business owners and the most powerful people on the planet, I'm like, I promise you. That came from a place of them wanting to serve, whether they forgot about it, the ego, whatever. But most of the time it came from a place where they wanted to provide for their family, for their community, whatever it was. And so that is, you know, it's differentiating the buckets for sure. And I think that's the beautiful part about our generation is being able to speak the language that is okay. We can talk about money and finances and business and scaling and marketing. And then also, this is all a very spiritual experience. So you have to be able to learn how to. How to speak that language. So it's. But. But I can get easily wrapped up into just the spiritual stuff. And I think naturally, with my material and my branding, I naturally attract a lot of women. And a lot of times people tell me, oh, you should just focus on helping women. And I'm like, no, I'm like, you don't understand. I'm like, there's stallions out there. I call the men the stallions. The men that do the inner work. Those aren't just men. Those are stallions. These are, like magician warriors.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, it's hard. I think it's harder for men because men, it's. It's in our nature. We're conditioned as women to talk about our emotions and express our emotions, and men are conditioned to not do it. So there's the whole story in limiting belief around even being able to get to that point. I think it's much harder for men to do this work.
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Nati
It is, it is.
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Courtney Johnson
And they have more natural power in the world. The way the world is set up. Like, men are kind of in charge, and so it's easier for them to exploit it, where, like, women have to go through so many layers to get there that we have to, like, unearth those limiting beliefs. So, yeah, I think that's amazing that you're working with men too. I think the same thing. I. I Like working with women. I. I like to work with majority women, but men. Men need the work.
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Nati
But every time I have a man inside of, like, a room full of women, the way is able to support. So my material is like, when people come to my events and they hear me speak, and it's a very masculine energy. Right. It attracts feminine. But it's very much about that duality. So I think, again, is that language. You gotta be able to. As humans, we can blend. We are. We are all different colors and different this. And we're just so different. We're so different, yet the same. And you gotta be able to get great at both of those things.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
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Nati
If you are planning on. If you're a sound healer that's watching, you know, and you're like, okay, I have a client. I'll tell you something. She is a counselor, right. And she tells me, nati, I want to be, you know, like a Reiki healer. I want to be a Reiki healer, and I want to do sound and I want to do all these things. I said in my love, we don't need any more of those. I do need, though. We do need more healing in the workplace that you're at.
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Courtney Johnson
Yes. Oh, my God.
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Nati
I'm not just a Reiki healer.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
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Nati
You know, I'm not just a sound healer. You know, I saw that there was an opportunity in the space that I was in. And that's another thing, too. I don't know if you see this a lot when, like, people. When people that you're coaching, maybe they're about to leave a industry. They're like, I'm going to make this huge transition.
- [28:34]
Courtney Johnson
Oh, my God. You're like, I'm gonna have this big crescendo, and one day I'm fine. I'm gonna quit. And then it's gonna be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's all gonna happen in an instant. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're gonna overwhelm your nervous system. You gotta ease into that. You gotta go layer by layer.
- [28:49]
Nati
You're already there.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
- [28:50]
Nati
You're already there. You are. I know for a fact that I was, you know, in working for Grant for those 10 years, I needed to be that person there for my team.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
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Nati
I needed to be that person for my clients. I was placed there for a reason. So if you're thinking about leaving your job and doing something different, whether you're looking to be, you know, things that people are doing, whatever, like, there look at the opportunity that you're in like, do you have low hanging fruit there?
- [29:28]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah. I love that. This is why I help people on LinkedIn. Because I'm like, I love it. I'm like, you think you're getting. I love optimization. No, we're diving into your trauma.
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Nati
Like, I love it.
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Courtney Johnson
I bait and switch people. I mean, I do teach them how to do LinkedIn. Why do you have a fear of being. Why do you have a fear of being seen?
- [29:46]
Nati
Why do you have a.
- [29:47]
Courtney Johnson
And then they're like, that's one time in middle school I was bullied and I'm like, ha. I got you. Yeah, let's heal that.
- [29:54]
Nati
Yeah, yeah. You know, it's about being online. I was always behind the scenes. I did a lot of. I did a lot of the shows with Grant and I was. Oh, I had the opportunity to be one of the, the people in the, in the front and I never was, never was my style, ever. I was very much behind the scenes kind of girl my whole life. And if you go on my natty OG page, you'll see I never posted anything. But when I made the decision that I wanted people to know about what I was doing, it was not about me being shy. Like, and I don't like content. I don't like social media. It's not about me. You know, I gotta put myself this message out there, so I gotta get online, you know, so it's like you're. If, if you don't feel called to share your message with people, then that's probably not the thing you gotta do.
- [30:52]
Courtney Johnson
Everyone, like, I tell people, like, build your personal brand if you're called to it. Like, you don't end up, like, in one of my classes for nothing. Like, you're probably there because you feel a draw to build your personal brand. It's not for everyone. Not everyone needs to create content. Not everyone needs to, like, help in certain ways. But if you feel drawn to it and you have a fear of being seen, that's where I'm like, all right, I got you.
- [31:14]
Nati
Yes. No, I love what you're doing. I think it's so cool. For me, it stood out tremendously. Like, you stood out because I saw LinkedIn too. Like, this is such a great opportunity. I'm like, this is so boring. I'm like, I saw it too. So I was like, I wanna, I wanna. So that's how you stood out to me. Oh, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. Because you know what? Something too, that I noticed on LinkedIn I was like, I remember when I was working and I'd be bored. I had the moments where you're just like, oh, you know, you don't wanna be on social media. But I'm like, but I could be on LinkedIn.
- [31:47]
Courtney Johnson
Exactly.
- [31:48]
Nati
So people are watching on LinkedIn.
- [31:50]
Courtney Johnson
Are watching. Yes. It's like 4pm and you, like, kind of feel bad, but you kind of should be working. And you're like, I'll go on LinkedIn for an hour. Like, that's literally how people use LinkedIn. And it's like, you can actually, like, jump in there, infiltrate that, and help people on LinkedIn share your story. Like, it's such a amazing.
- [32:05]
Nati
It's a great tool. You. You saw that and you ran. And that's another thing. You ran with it.
- [32:10]
Courtney Johnson
It's also the same people. Like, people like, oh, but LinkedIn is the professionals. I'm like, it's the same. The people on LinkedIn are the same people on Instagram, just with different profile pictures. Like, come on. It's the same people.
- [32:18]
Nati
That's so true. It's so true. I've found, you know, such incredible. That's another thing. I see social media, the algorithm, as a spiritual force.
- [32:29]
Courtney Johnson
Literally, it'll bring people to you. You can manifest anything you want. Like, literally. Also, when you bring. When you build an audience and you ask for things, it's literally magic. Like, I did this exercise with like, all of my clients where they had to ask for one thing on social media one day you can ask. I'm looking to be. I'm looking for more speaking events. I'm looking for two CL. I'm looking for whatever. So we had like 100 people collectively ask, like, ask. Like, give an ask.
- [32:57]
Nati
Yeah.
- [32:57]
Courtney Johnson
The amount of results that that brought in was crazy. Just everybody doing it together, whatever. It's a portal. Like, you're opening fudgeing portals.
- [33:06]
Nati
Yep. Well, you said it. Asking. But the thing is that people don't know what to ask for.
- [33:14]
Courtney Johnson
Why do you think that?
- [33:15]
Nati
So one of the first things that I do, a little insider when I'm working with someone, is I do something called the Two Million Doll exercise.
- [33:23]
Courtney Johnson
Okay.
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Nati
And the exercise is something that I. I've been using for the past 10 years when I would interview people to see how ambitious they were. And really it was, listen, if I came in here and I gave you $2 million. $2 million, okay. And I have them, like, visualize it, okay? They can't even. I'm like, I actually would have them write the number 2 million the majority of them can't write 2 million, so I'd have them write it. Okay. Now if I were to give you these $2 million and I said, listen, you, I'm giving them to you. I'm giving them to you because you're such a great person, because you raised your children, whatever I knew about them in that moment. The catch is that you have one week to use it. And you cannot invest it into stocks, you can't invest it into real estate, and you can't save it. You have to use it. What exactly would you do with it? And the majority of people I had, I can't tell you how many people tell me, I'd give it back to you. That's too much. The first thing, oh, my God, that's too much money. The people who would tell me, oh, I'd have them listed out and they knew exactly. I, I dream about building this coffee shop and. Okay. And I'd tell them, okay, what kind of furniture is in their coffee shop? Okay. And what does it smell like in there? And what kind of coffee do you use that people who would truly enjoy. Those were the people I would hire. Right. And so the people who would get stuck there. Okay. That tell me that they don't even see the possibilities.
- [34:55]
Courtney Johnson
Wow, that's such an actionable exercise to do. I love that. What, what would you do? $2 million this week.
- [35:02]
Nati
UFA. Thank you for asking me, man. It's, it's such a really. I, I envision House of Vibration as a, as a location and every metropolitan city, really. And it's a place where you could come in, Right. And receive all the resources from handling business to healing yourself on a spiritual level. Because, you know, even the burnout feeling, I'm not a big fan of using that burnout word, but. But the only thing that I do think about burnout is when you're not aligned to what your highest mission is. So it's a place where people can come in. And of course, it's a non profit. You know, if I were to have those $2 million. The truth is, is that $2 million is not enough. That's what it comes down to.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
- [35:45]
Nati
It's not enough.
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Courtney Johnson
You would have, like, open up one or two locations.
- [35:48]
Nati
Yeah, it's one. That would be one location. There you go.
- [35:50]
Courtney Johnson
But by the way, after this, you need to get an Uber and go to Casa de Luz.
- [35:54]
Nati
Okay.
- [35:54]
Courtney Johnson
It is like a blueprint for what you're creating. Yeah, yeah.
- [35:57]
Nati
Beautiful.
- [35:57]
Courtney Johnson
Do some testing, like market research.
- [36:01]
Nati
Okay.
- [36:02]
Courtney Johnson
And they also have an open source model on how to bring this into other communities. Oh, beautiful.
- [36:06]
Nati
I'm gonna. You should check it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [36:10]
Courtney Johnson
I love that. I would literally spend $2 million on furniture.
- [36:13]
Nati
Yeah. That's what I'm saying is, like, if.
- [36:16]
Courtney Johnson
You give me $2 million in one week, I'm going to firstdibs.com on buying furniture. That's all I'm doing. I'm not, I'm. I'm not helping people with that. Buying furniture. Sorry.
- [36:25]
Nati
That's what I'm saying.
- [36:25]
Courtney Johnson
I'll get. I'll get another $2 million for next week.
- [36:28]
Nati
Exactly. It's just that. And that's what it comes down to. At the bot. At the end of the exercise, give me cheek cheats. And to. At the end of the exercise, I asked them, is this enough money to do everything that you want to do? And then a lot of them say, yes, it is. And a lot of them notice. I know that in the beginning I said that was too much money, but now I'm realizing that that wasn't enough money. So it helps them understand that. So then I make that $2 million. Let's make that our first goal for you to make your $2 million. Because you can agree with me that $2 million is not enough. Not. Not a lot of money. So therefore, would you agree that it's achievable? Oh, yeah. Okay, perfect. So that's our target.
- [37:07]
Courtney Johnson
I love that. Oh, my God. I'm gonna steal that.
- [37:09]
Nati
Yes, please use it.
- [37:11]
Courtney Johnson
What I do is I tell people you have unlimited access to money, time, resources, and energy for one week. Like, what do you do in that one week? And that usually will point people to their dreams.
- [37:22]
Nati
Exactly.
- [37:23]
Courtney Johnson
Or I'll tell them, today I'm giving you $1,000, tomorrow I'm giving you 100,000. The next day, I'm giving you a million. The next day, 10 million. And it just like, increases by a factor. And you have to spend that within one day. Right. Like, day one, how are you going to spend $10,000? Day two, how are you going to spend a hundred thousand dollars? And by the time you get into like a hundred million, you're like, okay, I've done everything I want to do. I'm just giving it away. And then it's like, okay, wow. Like, I don't know, it just like demystifies money a little bit. Yeah, but I love those money exercises.
- [37:53]
Nati
They're so good. Because. And it's to show them that even if you had the money, you still wouldn't know what to do. So money is not the thing that you're scared of. You just don't. You have not given yourself the space and the time to remember.
- [38:13]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah. I also love what you're saying about dreams, because I found that, like, I won't even hire someone if their dream is not aligned with my business. Like, I'm like, what is your biggest, craziest dream? Like, oh, well, one day I want to own a house, and I want to have a family, and I want to be able to travel anywhere I want to go, and I want to have these skills, and then I can see if my business or working with me, like, fits in on a path of that, and I can help them and support them, and if I can tie myself in, if I can be like, yeah, your goal is to one day travel and have these clients and work remote, and that's your biggest dream. I can help you with that, and I can mentor you. And then they will be, like, immensely motivated all the time, because I am going to, like, cater to them to help them accomplish their dream. People don't need external motivation if they're going towards their dreams.
- [38:59]
Nati
Exactly. I don't have to. I don't have to give you. Oh, you're doing such a great job. It doesn't. You don't need even care. You don't. You don't care because, man, you understand that your employee in that moment is like, courtney is a stepping stone for me, okay? So it doesn't matter if she thinks I'm doing a great job or whatever. Positive reinforcement, whatever. Like, they understand in that moment, but the problem is that they don't. They haven't seen. They're doing. They're running without a target. They're running blindly. So it feels like everything is just so tedious and so. Oh, my gosh. So, you know, I think it's a lot of these business owners, I see that a lot with their employees, too. I'm like, listen, you don't. You don't gotta give them all these things that you're thinking, like, as long as they understand the opportunity. And that's why I love sales. I love it so much. It changed my life, and I hated it in the beginning. You know, the thing is that I'm Colombian, so I thought when I came into the sales world that I. I was good at sales. I was like, I'm. I'm so good. I'm. I can talk to anyone. I. These. At the time, everyone was, like, American and working with Grant. Everyone was super American. Everyone was a man. And there was. I was, like, the only girl. And I was like, come on, these people. Like, I. I got. I can talk to anyone. Other stuff. But what I realized was that, yes, I could sell, but I sucked at closing.
- [40:31]
Courtney Johnson
Closing is way harder. Oh, my God.
- [40:34]
Nati
Like, I'm like, oh. And I realized I can't help a person unless I close them.
- [40:38]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
- [40:39]
Nati
Because what happens as. As a Latino is like, we're having fun. We're having fun. We're having fun. Okay, let me talk to you. But once I get an objection. Oh, we'll get offensive. And so that. That was the power of learning how to communicate effectively. Right. So a lot of times people would think, oh, yeah, we know how to sell. We know how to sell. But you gotta get great at negotiating, Right? And that's a spiritual thing.
- [41:04]
Courtney Johnson
How would you dispel some of the money stories that we might have? Like, people might have a money story of like. Or a sales story of, like, ooh, sales is dirty or it's bad. How. How would you help someone undo that?
- [41:17]
Nati
I think it has to align. I do think it has to align with you. You know, I. I got great at this sales job that I had because I truly believed in it at that time. I was. And I still. I. I love everything they do, but it aligned with me more at that time, and I knew that I was helping people. Like, I felt, because I was truly. Those conversations that I was having with these business owners, we were giving them solutions. So I think it has to. You know, I learned this, and it was. Let's say that you have a sibling or a son or a child that's going through drug addiction. Let's say your brother, right? He's a drug addict, and you love him so much, and he comes to you and he tells you, courtney, you know, can I get $10? Please? Can I get $10? And you're like, no, obviously, you're gonna go buy drugs. I'm not gonna give you $10.
- [42:09]
Courtney Johnson
No.
- [42:09]
Nati
But corny, please, please, please, please. No, no, I. I already told you. No, please, I need to go get. What are you gonna do? You're not gonna give him the $10? What are you gonna probably do? You're gonna talk to your mom, you're gonna talk to your dad. You're gonna be like, listen, we need to get him some help, right? Because you're an unreasonable. You're sold on the fact that you remember who your brother was. So you're. That's a sale. You know, it has to morally be aligned with you and your mission. So we're all salespeople. Every person is a salesperson. It's just mastering communication. That's all that it is.
- [42:46]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah. I think a good example is, like, you're giving a friend a book recommendation, and you're like, dude, you gotta read this book. It's so good. Oh, my. I don't care what you have to do. I know, like, buy it, whatever. Like, that is sales. Like, that's something that you really believe in. I felt icky about sales in my past. I worked at a sales consulting firm, and the product sucked, so I didn't like selling it. But now I sell my own product, like, selling my LinkedIn program and my coaching, and I'm like, fuck, yeah. I will, like, pull out all the stops to sell you all this, because I know this is going to fucking change your life. And likewise, I want people to do that to me too. Like, if there's a. Like, for example, my partner just went through this leadership program, and it's really fucking expensive, but he's like, courtney, you got to fucking do it. It'll change your life. Trust me on this one. And I'm like, okay, I'm sold.
- [43:29]
Nati
I'll be honest. Tell me. Tell me the recommendation. Well, first I'll do it and I'll tell you.
- [43:34]
Courtney Johnson
Okay.
- [43:34]
Nati
And then you tell me.
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Courtney Johnson
Yeah, because I'm always.
- [43:37]
Nati
I'm always down and. And invest. I think that also, since money is such an energetic thing, right? When you open up a port, when you invest in yourself, whether it's $10, $20, the more, in my opinion, the better, right? Because you shouldn't be going and investing in real estate or anything. First, invest in yourself. Once you start multiplying from yourself, okay, go and invest in other things. But when you invest, when you say, okay, I'm gonna buy this program for $500, I'm gonna buy this program for a thousand, ten thousand, whatever. That's a portal. It's a portal and you're saying, God, I want more of that through that portal. I want more of what's behind that door. The program can suck. Even if the program sucks, Books, it's worth it because you opened, you went through the portal.
- [44:26]
Courtney Johnson
I have a great example of that. I. When I started, when I launched on TikTok, I paid this girl, like, $3,000 to make me a bunch of TikTok videos. And I got so scared that I didn't use any of them. And I also didn't really like them. And whatever it doesn't matter. I didn't use these videos. And I spent like three grand. The three grand was so worth it because that was an energetic commitment to myself of like. Like, I'm investing in myself. It's finally start.
- [44:51]
Nati
Yeah.
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Courtney Johnson
It's finally time to start posting on TikTok. And guess what? Even though I didn't use any of those videos, it opened up that portal. It got me. Like I was getting the sunk cost fallacy where I was. Like, I started. I invested in my TikTok. I got it going. I'm in. Like, I'm monetarily invested now. And it paid off. Like, you're so right that, like, it's. It brings the energy in that direction. Yeah. I actually had a business coach that they were. They were like, courtney, you don't have any $10,000 offers. And I'm like, yeah, I. I don't know. I don't feel comfortable with a $10,000 program. And she was like, yeah, you know why you don't feel comfortable selling a $10,000 program? Because you've never bought a $10,000 program.
- [45:29]
Nati
It's 100% true. It's 100% true.
- [45:33]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah. Cause I can sell a thousand. $5000 program all day anyway. So I bought a $10,000 program. That's what I'm going to do. And I'm like, okay, now I can see.
- [45:43]
Nati
Congratulations.
- [45:44]
Courtney Johnson
Thank you. You know, that's really good. It's like, damn, I've never spent so much money on myself before. And let's fucking go.
- [45:51]
Nati
Yes. That's. I. That. And that's how it works. That's what the greats do.
- [45:55]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
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Nati
You know, you invest in yourself, man. Like, even if you freaking get one gem out of it.
- [46:01]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
- [46:01]
Nati
One gem. I don't care, man. I may. Okay, this is a perfect example. I'm coming to Austin. I don't know, maybe one person watches it, but for me, even if it's one person. Person.
- [46:12]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
- [46:13]
Nati
For me, that is worth it.
- [46:15]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah. Well, now, if you haven't already, you should add travel podcast guests to your repertoire.
- [46:19]
Nati
Yeah, I know. Yeah. No, and. And for. And what's worth it, too? The people that you meet, man. The Uber drivers that I've met. I mean, the most. Enough to fuel me and inspire me for a good freaking month.
- [46:35]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
- [46:36]
Nati
Like, the story is so beautiful. Right? Knowing you now, the connection of meeting you and seeing you in person. Dude, make the investment. Do it for yourself, man.
- [46:45]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah.
- [46:46]
Nati
Like I'm telling. Your ancestors would be proud.
- [46:48]
Courtney Johnson
Dude, you have to go To Casa de Luz.
- [46:50]
Nati
Yeah, I will, I will.
- [46:52]
Courtney Johnson
Anyone, anytime anybody's in Austin, you have to go to Casa de Luz. It's like an incredible, It's a vortex, really, like an energy vortex of there's like all these different, all these different vendors there. It's like a cacao bar, a tea bar, there's a restaurant, a juice bar, coffee, like little stores. It's just like a community center. But it's like all like spiritual people and happens. Like you set an intention, you go in, there will start happening. I swear.
- [47:21]
Nati
I love it.
- [47:21]
Courtney Johnson
Weird. Every time I want to go in. You definitely have to go. I want to go. Yes. Anyways, sales. I, I love that. I love investing in yourself. I actually, the majority of my career I didn't put like a. This is probably bad financial advice, but I didn't put a single dollar into like the stock market or.
- [47:39]
Nati
Yeah, me neither.
- [47:40]
Courtney Johnson
Real estate or anything until I was like late 20s. Because I put literally every single extra dollar into investing in myself.
- [47:48]
Nati
I did too.
- [47:48]
Courtney Johnson
At that time it was for resources around like dating. I was like, I want to improve, I want to go to therapy. I want to improve my own patterns because I want to have a really amazing partner. And then I started investing, which by the way, that was so fucking worth it because damn, I got out of the toxic crazies and into some like.
- [48:05]
Nati
Stable partner also like on this route.
- [48:07]
Courtney Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I started investing in my self development and career and like now I finally like, I finally bought a. I'm finally done, dude.
- [48:17]
Nati
But you know, you're doing the work and, and you understand also that you're not done. You're not even close to being done. You know, like you're unraveling and every day you see. And it's a responsibility. It's a huge responsibility. I'm so sure that you have a really big reason here that's like driving you forward every day. You have to. A lot of people see like their problems as like problems really. They're, they're such great opportunities.
- [48:45]
Courtney Johnson
They are. Oh my God. Every problem is another portal you can open. Like I always give this money example of let's say you're gonna go to your friend's wedding and it's across the country and it's Gonna cost you $2,000 to get there and stay at the hotel and get a flight and everything. You're like, oh, that's expensive. You can choose to not go to the wedding and not pay for it or you can figure it the fuck out. And open a new portal of like.
- [49:08]
Nati
How the am I gonna figure it?
- [49:10]
Courtney Johnson
An extra $2,000.
- [49:11]
Nati
Like me last night, I'm like, I. I'ma get up here. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm like. But it's so funny. It didn't hit me until like I was like, like at the airport about to get the Uber.
- [49:22]
Courtney Johnson
And you're like.
- [49:22]
Nati
I was like, wait, hold up. I didn't even.
- [49:25]
Courtney Johnson
I know I need to work on my communication there.
- [49:29]
Nati
It's okay, it's okay.
- [49:30]
Courtney Johnson
But yeah, I love that. I think that's so important. Where can, where can people find you? How can they work with you? I have a lot of people that, that need your work.
- [49:38]
Nati
Oh, my God.
- [49:39]
Courtney Johnson
That need. That need to go deeper, that want to go deeper, but are a little hesitant and. Yeah, how can, how can people work with you?
- [49:46]
Nati
Well, hopefully we can do something together.
- [49:48]
Courtney Johnson
Let's do it.
- [49:49]
Nati
I think that it would be really beneficial. Put in the comments. If you guys think that we should build something out because people need more of this duality. Right. Which is what human experience is. But if anybody is feeling called to work on themselves and knows that they were sent here for a higher mission, you don't remember and you just. It's important to have rather be broke. Like when I quit my job, I remember everyone was like, you're gonna have to change your entire lifestyle. And I said one thing I'm not willing to give up is in my coaching. Like, I am not going to fire my coach or my therapist. Like, that is, I'd rather be locked in a room freaking broke, whatever. But with my therapist and with my coach, it's just my non negotiables, right? So you make you. At this point, if you're at a point where you're like, man, I don't have the money, but I know I need some help. Open up that crown chakra. Freaking get your cojones and make the investment, dude. Like, you were worth it, period. You were worth it. The crown chakra people, I'm telling you, are not willing to listen. And every time I have someone tell me my crown is messed up, I like, we see the crown chakras very low. I tell them, invest in a coach because that's the same way that God speaks to you. The same way that when you have somebody get someone that you admire, do you like the way they speak? Do you like the way they treat others? Do you like the way that they live? How do they treat their parents? How do they treat their community? Is that someone that you can model, not copy. We don't need more Courtney's. We don't need more Natalie's. We need people who are going to use the formalism which we've created to create their own version. You're going to model it, and you're going to. You need accountability because that is the same way that God holds you accountable. But you're out here like this, literally. I'm not listening. I'm not listening, but I'm listening to God. You're not. You can't even listen to a person in which you. And if you don't have someone in your life that you admire, then that's a problem.
- [51:55]
Courtney Johnson
Go find someone or find some other.
- [51:57]
Nati
Find someone on the inner. There's so many people in the space. So if you are on that route, whether you are an individual or a business owner and you need that help, you can reach me. House of vibration. Houseofvibration.com. house of vibration. Instagram. Whatever it is, send us a DM and we will find out what route you're on.
- [52:16]
Courtney Johnson
Let's fucking go.
- [52:17]
Nati
Yes.
- [52:19]
Courtney Johnson
Thank you so much.
- [52:20]
Nati
Thank you, Courtney. Thank you for everything that you do. May this continue to. To inspire so many people who want to do that inner work. And thank you for providing the skills and the tools, because these are all tools. It's not. That is one avenue.
- [52:34]
Courtney Johnson
Exactly. Oh, my God. This is so important. Let's end on this. That there is not one way. It's not like, oh, and I finally found the answer, and it's Natalie or it's Courtney or it's this, the religion or this program. No, the answer is in your self. There's 8 billion people on earth. There's 8 billion past to God.
- [52:50]
Nati
Oh, yes. Yes. Queen. Huh? It's. It's. It's the tools. You know, there's. It's not just one thing.
- [52:56]
Courtney Johnson
You.
- [52:57]
Nati
The sound healing, the reiki, whatever, the sales program, the leadership program. You need all of it. You need all of it. And then all of that is going to infuse and make your badass version. I promise you.
- [53:08]
Courtney Johnson
Let's level up in 2020.
- [53:10]
Nati
Oh, my gosh. Let's 2025.
- [53:13]
Courtney Johnson
Thank you so much.
- [53:15]
Nati
Of course, my love.
- [53:15]
Courtney Johnson
This is so great.
- [53:16]
Nati
Yes.
- [53:17]
Courtney Johnson
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