#558 - Helping Mom With Murder - Grovetown, Georgia

Summary

Small Town Murder Episode #558: "Helping Mom With Murder - Grovetown, Georgia"

Release Date: January 4, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode #558 of Small Town Murder, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmy Whisman delve into a chilling case from Grovetown, Georgia. This episode, titled "Helping Mom With Murder," explores the intricate details surrounding the tragic murder of Kay Parsons, the subsequent investigation, and the unexpected involvement of her neighbor, Rebecca Sears, and her sons.

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Grovetown, Georgia: A Community Overview

James and Jimmy begin by painting a picture of Grovetown, a small town in eastern Georgia near the South Carolina border. With a population surge from approximately 3,020 two decades ago to 15,608 today, Grovetown presents itself as a community that "cares," though the hosts humorously critique the hospital-like motto.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo ([04:09]): "Grovetown is a small enough town where families actually know each other, but big enough to have nice activities, dinners, and theaters for families."

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The Murder of Kay Parsons

On the morning of March 25, 2009, 41-year-old Kay Parsons returns home after dropping off her 12-year-old son, Derek, at school. Upon arriving, she discovers her home ransacked with blood spatter indicating a violent assault. A contractor arriving early finds the broken back glass doors and calls the police after observing significant blood evidence.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo ([17:56]): "She is clinging to life on the garage floor, but severely beaten about the head and needs blood horribly."

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Investigation and Discovery

The investigation reveals that Kay was brutally beaten with a baseball bat and a claw hammer, leading to head trauma—a clear case of murder. Evidence such as blood trails, stolen valuables, and bloodied weapons point towards a targeted attack rather than a random burglary.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo ([20:13]): "The blood trail suggests that K fled from Christopher into the garage where she was ultimately murdered by blows from the claw hammer."

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Involvement of Rebecca Sears and Her Sons

The plot thickens as the investigation uncovers that the home next door was also burglarized. Rebecca Sears, Kay's neighbor and friend, along with her sons Christopher (19) and Michael (21), become key suspects. A confidential informant alleges that Rebecca orchestrated the murder due to an affair with Kay's husband, David Parsons.

Notable Quote:

James Pietregallo ([35:08]): "The confidential informant advised he believed Rebecca Sears was responsible or involved in the murder of Mrs. Parsons."

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Community Reaction and Impact

Grovetown residents, once confident in their safe-knit community, are shaken by the dual burglaries and the heinous murder. Fear and mistrust begin to permeate the neighborhood as authorities seek answers.

Notable Quote:

Jimmy Whisman ([25:48]): "Not me."

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Legal Proceedings and Verdict

After extensive evidence collection, including phone records and witnessed sightings, both Rebecca Sears and her son Christopher are arrested and charged with multiple felonies, including murder and armed robbery. Despite their confessions, Rebecca's husband, Tony Sears, remains steadfast in his belief in her innocence, further complicating the case dynamics.

The trial culminates three years later in 2012, with both Rebecca and Christopher receiving life sentences without the possibility of parole, alongside additional consecutive sentences for their other charges.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo ([63:17]): "Life without parole and then Life and 20 to run consecutively."

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Conclusion and Reflections

The episode concludes with reflections on the case's resolution and its portrayal in various media outlets, emphasizing the rare instance of confession and prosecutorial success in such a gruesome crime. James and Jimmy highlight the community's enduring trauma and the personal toll on the families involved.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo ([65:39]): "Hot Springs Drive was a dark, heart-pounding exploration of one woman's deepest desires and how the consequences of betrayal can ripple outward beyond the intentional strike point."

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Final Thoughts

Episode #558 of Small Town Murder offers a gripping narrative of betrayal, violence, and the collapse of a seemingly peaceful community. Through meticulous research and the hosts' characteristic blend of seriousness and humor, listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the complexities surrounding the Grovetown murder case.

For more in-depth discussions and additional content, listeners are encouraged to visit shutupandgivemerder.com and consider supporting the podcast through Patreon.

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Transcript

[James Petregallo]

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[James Petregallo]

Hello, everybody and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yay. And choo choo.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petregallo. I'm here with my co host.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm Jimmy Whisman.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us. All aboard the murder train pulling away from the station. Here we go. We have another crazy story. As always, I don't even have to say it anymore. It's small town murder. It's nuts. You'll get it so quickly. Before we start, head over to shut upandgivemerder.com Tickets for live shows are available for 2025. Right now there's only one city that is not available. That's because we haven't announced it yet.

[Jimmy Whisman]

We'll tell you.

[James Petregallo]

We'll tell you. It'll be about two weeks, I think, before you find that. Pretty big.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And it's in the Midwest. It's going to be awesome.

[James Petregallo]

Going to be fun. We can't wait. We've never been there before either. So it's going to be real, real exciting. Can't wait. Shut up and give me murder.com. pittsburgh, you are up first. February 7th, I believe. Yeah, super bowl weekend. It's the Friday of that weekend. Get your asses in there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I beat the blue for this. Let's go.

[James Petregallo]

Let's do it. It's the Oakland. The Oakland Carnegie hall, by the way, not the Munn hall one that we did last time. So check that out for sure. Also, get yourself Patreon. Treat yourself this holiday season with Patreon. Patreon.com crimeinsports anybody, $5 a month or above. You're gonna get hundreds of bonus episodes you've never had before immediately upon subscription. And then new ones every other week, including this week, which you're gonna get one crime in sports, one small town murder. And how much of that do they get, everybody?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, you get it all.

[James Petregallo]

Get it all. That's. That's right. This week, every inch of it. Every damn drop of it in both length and girth. No, this week for crime and sports, we're going to talk about back by popular demand. Nothing to do with sports, personal ads. Let's find out how people would sell themselves to each other. Pre app dating and then small town murder. We are going to talk about the West Memphis three very specifically how it happened. Why did we need to have HBO come here for a documentary? How did it get the hell. How to get it even to the point of that of to the. We got these kids and they're on trial and we'll talk all about how that happened. God damn everybody in the whole place. It's crazy stuff. We'll talk all about that and more. Patreon.com crime and sports. And you get a shout out at the end of the show as well. Jimmy will mispronounce your name. That said, I think it's time everybody to sit back. What do you say, everybody? Let's all clear the lungs. Arms to the sky. Let's all shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going down to Georgia.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay, let's go. Yo, rascally devil.

[James Petregallo]

Quickly, before we go though, before we get in the car here, quick program note. The next Small Town Murder episode after this, the next regular one that comes out Wednesday night, Thursday, that will be our 1000th episode of crime and sports and Small Town Murder combined. That'll be. I don't count your stupid opinions because it's not. It's not research intensive, so it's not. But this will be our 1,000th episode, which is episode one. Goddamn big deal, everybody. Let's just say it that way.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So a lot of minutes.

[James Petregallo]

A lot of minutes. It's a lot of hours. And wow, there's so much hours goes into it. So thank you everybody for helping us get to a thousand and hopefully we will get to another thousand. So that said, Grovetown, Georgia, let's do it. This is eastern Georgia near the South Carolina border. It's about 20 minutes to Augusta, outside of Augusta, Georgia. Two hours over to Atlanta, over to the west there, and about an hour 20 to Rutledge, Georgia, which is our last Georgia episode, A Deadly Love. And that was a weird one. So remember that it's been a minute in Columbia county, population here by the way, has really spiked in the last like 20 years. In this area, it's 15,608, which it was like. It was like 3,020 years ago. So it's gone up a lot. Median household income here around the rest of the country, it's about 69,000 here to $63,860. Median home price here, $279,300. So that's lower than the national average also. And the motto here, a community. A community that cares. Which just sounds like a hospital's motto. It doesn't sound like the whole town. Come to our town. It's a hospital. Enjoy. Check in history of this town. In the 1860s, the town was known as Bel Air, which is pretty funny. Yeah, that would have been way different if that's where they put Will Smith.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. In that year.

[James Petregallo]

In any year. What are you talking about? In 2024. That would have been not great. It was officially incorporated the city on January 1, 1881. The name of the small village came from the Old Grove Baptist Church that was founded in 1808. That's where the Grove came from. In there. There was a poet here. A poet famous in the post Civil War era, named Paul Hamilton Hayne. He. Oh, I thought it was Corpse Hill. That's why I'm saying this. But it's not. I didn't read it well enough.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Is it Core Hill?

[James Petregallo]

It's Copes Hill. C O, P, S E. And I was like, he moved to Corpse Hill. What the hell is that about? Then he also solicited the US Postal Service to establish a Grovetown post office. That's how he got it. So that's how they got the post office. Was a poet. Had to wonder if he wrote them in poetry.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I would.

[James Petregallo]

If you got the skill, why not, right?

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think he wrote the Neither Rain, Sleet, Snow.

[James Petregallo]

I'll tell you why that. I'll give you guys a motto if you do this for me. Also, it was a lot of people from Augusta, Wealthy people from Augusta had summer homes in Grovetown. And so that was a big deal there. They'd come out and then they found.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Out about Hilton Head.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I guess, if you want to go further.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right there.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. And they built a whole a hotel known as the eagle in the 1880s as well. The Roseland Hotel turned into the Eagle. Reviews of this town. Here we go. We don't know shit about it. Maybe these people do. Five stars. I moved to Grovetown, Georgia from a small city in Mississippi five years ago. And I have to say I haven't regretted making the decision. I'm a. I'm sure. I bet. I'm a small town girl. But moving here has allowed me to meet new people and be a part of such a positive, diverse environment. What town are you from? This is the big city. 15,000 people in the middle of fucking nowhere. The big city.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Wow. Holy shit. Super diverse environment. I've learned new things. I've been exposed to more opportunities they can truly say are shaping me into a wonderful young lady.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She is so proud of herself.

[James Petregallo]

I truly love this city. Use that term loosely. Yeah. Three stars. If you enjoy medium town living. What the hell does that mean? Medium size? Or is it just mid? Like to use your stupid opinions thing here?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Everybody's got a medium sized dick.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. If you enjoy medium town living, then Grove Town is the place for you. It's within the suburbs of Augusta. It's small enough where families actually know each other, but big enough to have nice activities, dinners and theaters for families. Okay, that's fine. That makes sense. It's not so small that there's, you know, one little restaurant that closes at 7:00 or something. And then finally, two stars. The city does its best to be progressive, like with bike lanes, although minimal, and keeping the area looking tidy and festive when it applies. The parks are an amazing place to visit. I lived near the middle and high school and appreciated the fact that kids would walk there on foot and the sheriff department would control traffic for them. The regular people, though, are snobby and quite rude. That just tells me the kids can't smoke weed on the way home from school, which sucks. That would have been my concern as a kid. This sucks. Go away. I'll dodge cars. Yeah, I don't want to smoke this. The regular people, though, are snobby and quite rude. The drivers are maniacs and regularly put everyone in danger.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Regularly.

[James Petregallo]

Everyone. Even if you're not on the road.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You'Re in danger on the sidewalk and everything.

[James Petregallo]

Even if you're in your living room. Danger coming right through the wall.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Town full of matter.

[James Petregallo]

Things to do here. The Columbia County Fair is the main thing to do here. And there's some events going on here. There is. I don't know what this is. A banana derby. I don't know what a banana derby. I don't know what the fuck a banana derby is. Exactly.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You gotta.

[James Petregallo]

You gotta say, who's got the biggest run of 5K? Who's got the biggest dick here? It's the banana derby. The Master Chainsaw Carver will be there?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Sure.

[James Petregallo]

Of course. Obviously, I don't know if he has anything to do with the Banana Derby, but I wouldn't want to piss that guy off if he's gonna swing in that chainsaw. The American Motor Drome company Drome D R O M E company Wall of Death.

[Jimmy Whisman]

The Is that.

[James Petregallo]

No idea what that is at all.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Is that. The. Is that the dome that they ride motorcycles inside of?

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. I have no idea.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's gotta be.

[James Petregallo]

You could suggest a hundred things and I'd say, I don't know no idea what that is. Magic man TJ Hill will be strolling each night. Then Dr. Magical Balloons will be there also.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

There's nothing more annoying than when they send a roving magician around. That's the most annoying. Just pops up next to you and he's like, wanna see a card trick? No, I don't. I'd be friends with an ass wipe like you if I fucking wanted to see a card trick, but I'm not on purpose. Also, the Goat Island Petting Zoo. I assume there's goats, the 4H grow here. Pollinator Garden and hay bales. That's an event. And that's what I mean. I saw that and I was like, oh, I remember the Pollinator. And then finally, your bands here. Able Cricket will be here. Sure. A B E L Cricket, then. Major sound. Okay, it sounds like an army major in the wrong business. Demolition derby. Columbia. Oh, Entertainment. Doug James and the Stagehand Band. It's a good sign. That's where most of the good musicians come from.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Columbia County Fair doesn't get anybody that's.

[James Petregallo]

Not even Nelly. Not even Ludacris will come here. That's crazy. Sir.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Mix a lot. Anything.

[James Petregallo]

Jay and the Bootleggers will be there. And also Salt Run, Tony Sucks. Tony Howard, Motown and Tina Turner Review. So that's all Jesus. Old songs, you know? That's fine at least. And then. And then finally little Roy and Lizzie will be there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm. I'm a gas.

[James Petregallo]

Horrifying.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So upset.

[James Petregallo]

That is a bad festival right there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Terrible day.

[James Petregallo]

It's a bad day. No matter what night you're there, the music is not going to be any better. That said, let's talk about some murder, shall we? All right, let's do this. All right. Let's talk about a woman first here. Laverne, we'll talk about. She doesn't go by Laverne, though. She goes by Kay. Laverne.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why not?

[James Petregallo]

Well, Laverne Catherine Sanner is her name she was born with. Later she'll be Parsons. And it makes sense maybe why she dropped the Laverne. Because she's born in February of 1968. So that means.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Holy shit. Damn it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. 10 years. When she's nine, 10. I mean, that is Laverne.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Laverne and Shirley long before the goddamn show.

[James Petregallo]

Penny Marshall. I hate you is what she says. She hates Penny Marshall a lot. So now she's K, which is funny because Katherine usually isn't Kay anyway. Kay just seems like Kathy. Kate. Yeah, Kathy or Kate even, but not usually Kay. I never heard Kay from that, but whatever. She's born in Connellsville, Pennsylvania. That's where she's born. To parents Arthur and Mabel Sanner. Sounds like she was born in 1868, not 1968. She has three brothers and three sisters, so it's her and a Brady Bunch there. She graduated from Laurel Highlands High School there and met a man named David Parsons after high school and gets married and becomes Kay Parsons. And David is in the army, so he's a career army guy. He's going to be in for, I think, 20 years, and then he's going to get out of the army. Oh, yeah. And she. She liked it. She liked the lifestyle. They have a son here as well in 1997. They have a son together named Derek. And she is all about being a mom and, you know, into the army wife thing, too. Very much into her kids, into baseball, her kids very much into Little League. So she's big. A big baseball mom type of thing. You know what I mean? Um, also, you know, goes to church and all that stuff. Kind of your typical kind of suburban mom family here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Southern mom, too.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. And he's a David, when he retires from the military, he takes a job as a contractor there. So he's doing that military. Yeah, yeah. So he's doing, you know, I don't know if he's working for the military or actually, you know, hammering nails into shit. I'm not sure. One of the two. So they live at 229 Hot Springs Drive, which is a four bedroom, three bath, 25, almost 2500 square foot. Very comfortable house. Not bad for three people. Family. It was sold in 2022 for 316,500 bucks. So.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Not bad.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Affordable.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, not bad down there. And this is a neighbor of hers, says Kay is just a wonderful, wonderful person. She, her husband and Dave, who recently retired from the army, really live for their son Derek. I can tell those I Can tell you those three did everything together. Derek is their pride and joy. So it's just a very family oriented family. That's all. They're.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They just got the one kid, huh?

[James Petregallo]

That's it. The one kid. That's it. That's not bad at all. As I say, especially her coming from a family of seven, I feel like that's on purpose.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Probably.

[James Petregallo]

That's revving one kid, period. I'm not having 12 kids running around my goddamn house.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's going to want for a big family later, but for now he should just be really thrilled that he gets to be an only child.

[James Petregallo]

Only child, yeah, it's great. I never had a problem with it. It was fine. So he. A neighbor of theirs recalled vacationing with the Parsons in Panama City, Florida, which I don't know if I'd call that a vacation so much as, well, just.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Depends on when you go. If you go to spring break, that's a nightmare.

[James Petregallo]

I think Panama City, Florida, really, at any time of year, is really not anywhere I'd want to be, personally. Yeah, I don't want to hang out there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It. It depends though, if that's. If that's your scene like that, that kind of like murky.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. If you're trash, yeah, sure.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

I'm gonna say period trash.

[Jimmy Whisman]

On an off weekend, that sounds awesome. But if you want to be trash amongst millions of trash, that's awful.

[James Petregallo]

That sounds horrible. Yeah. This guy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Trash. Fuck that.

[James Petregallo]

This guy says Kay's an adventurer. We were on jet skis and a boat came by us and really stirred up the water. And she said, I can handle this because I'm used to riding motorcycles with Dave and Derek. Wow. Yeah. And in the end, though, she got knocked over and she laughed about it and said, maybe I bit off a little more than I can chew. So she's not dramatic or anything like that. There's no any of that stuff.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This guy much worse than somebody that has no sense of humor about falling off a jet ski.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. And they're. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. You have to enjoy yourself when you do that. It's like. It's like if you're riding a sled down a snowy hill, you're gonna fall. Eventually you'll just tumble in the snow and you laugh your ass off. That's the point of it. You don't go, God damn it. I wanted that to be perfect. Jesus Christ.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jet ski. You're trying to stay dry. Why are you wearing sneakers?

[James Petregallo]

I'm a professional jet ski rider. This is ridiculous.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why'd you wear your evening gown? What are you doing out here?

[James Petregallo]

He said, oh, we laughed about that. And she could hit a softball far too. She really loved going to all of Derek's baseball games. And he was there, and he was in three or four different leagues. She had a great sense of humor. That's a nightmare. Oh, this kid plays sports for four different kids, basically. That's terrible.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I want to die thinking about it.

[James Petregallo]

No shit. So Thursday, March 25, 2009, comes around here. Case, 41 years old. She drops Derek off at school. He's 12, drops him off at school. She gets back home, and it's a little bit before 9am and when she is seen going home. Now, there was a contractor who was doing some work on the house. Her husband's a contractor, so I don't know how that works, but. Okay. A different contractor. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. He came to do some work, and when he shows up at 8:45, he finds the back glass doors. They have French doors in the back and the glass door is broken back there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

So he says, oh, shit. So he looks kind of looks his head in the house a little bit and sees some blood spattered around and seeing that the house looked like it was in a state of disarray, that it didn't look like the last time he was there. So don't go in there. He does not go in there. He calls the police here. He steps outside, calls the police. He goes, hey, I might be a contractor, but I can't put that back together.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So I already got to repair a door. You guys come fix whatever else is there.

[James Petregallo]

I don't have any, any. Any way to fix that. So when a deputy entered, he found what appeared to be blood on the sofa and the living room rug. Here at Kay's house, they also found blood on the walls and the doors. There's a lot of blood around, which.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's a lot.

[James Petregallo]

It's a lot. So they're very, you know, a little bit freaked out by that now. They end up finding her clinging to life on the garage floor. Wow.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

She is alive, but severely beaten about the head and needs blood horribly. Yeah, there's blood everywhere. One of the police officers said she was. Must have been confronted by the suspect and was attacked and seriously injured. She'd been beaten very severely. She'd been struck numerous times. So she's.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She's trying to run and get out through the garage.

[James Petregallo]

That's the only thing we could think. Cause obviously this started in the house. So that's the. That's the thing here. And as we. We go through this, it looks like she interrupted a burglary. That's what it looks like happened. Look like she came home in the middle of a burglary here. She's taken to a doctor's hospital, then to the Medical College of Georgia Hospital. And, yeah, during this, she clings to life for almost a whole day before she eventually dies. So from her wounds, now, the police investigating the house here, because now it's not just a burglary and an assault. This is a murder now. So, you know, a little bit different investigation.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, this crime scene just got much more severe.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, they find a blood trail that leads to the garage. So they're like, okay, that's. They're trying to find out, you know, put it together of how it happened. They say that she was robbed and a gold necklace and watch were taken off her body as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Well, you better hope you don't get caught.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I mean, that's a watch is pretty traceable too.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So nearby, right outside, they find a baseball bat and a claw hammer, both with blood and hair.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, these are brutal weapons. That's like, this baseball bat isn't enough. I'm gonna grab this hammer quick and make it worse type of shit like a claw hammer. I don't know which side of the claw hammer, but Jesus Christ. So she ends up dying later that afternoon. Head trauma is the cause of death here. Multiple beating. I mean, just. She's been beaten so many times, they don't know how many blows that she's been given, even on the head. So then while this is going on, they find out that the home next door at 227 Hot Springs Drive was also burglarized. So now they have two burglaries right next door and a dead woman.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So the police officer at this point says, this is the lead detective. We're following some leads. We have our suspicions, but we're nowhere near solving this case. They don't know what's going on. So what's up with next door? We'll find out here who lives there is a couple named Rebecca who goes by Becky. Becky Bowers is what she originally was. And then she got married because she doesn't like the alliteration. It's like, I can't be Becky Bowers. That sounds like the most annoying person who's ever lived. So I'm going to get married to a guy named Sears. S E A R S Like the store, like the defunct store Here, this is Tony Sears, he goes by. So that's her husband. Becky is good friends also with K. They're. They're tight. The families are tight. They're tight. They live next door. She's born the same year as Kay, so she. I can't quite lock down how many kids these people have up to five sons, at least three and as many as five.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

She has two older sons from a previous marriage and she also has younger sons that are 2, 5 and 13 as well. So they have. She has like a 21 year old, a 19 year old and then the couple themselves have a 2 or 5 and a 13 year old. So that is a lot. Now the 13 year old and next door, K's 12 year old played on the same baseball teams together all the time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Of course they did.

[James Petregallo]

So these parents know each other very well. You know the sports parents well, especially if you live next door. They carpool to the, you know, travel games and all that kind of shit. And in addition to living next door and having sons that play together and having barbecues together and all that shit, they actually work together as well, these women.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Yes. You got to really not be sick of somebody for that shit. Like you have to like somebody. They both work at the Healing Hands physical therapy center as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

They both help with like occupational therapy type shit. That's 227 Hot Springs Drive. Very close friends though, these two. And even the couples like the Tony and Derek there, the husband David, they would play on mixed doubles in tennis together and shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's too much spending time.

[James Petregallo]

It's a lot of time with your neighbor. That's. I don't. Yeah, I like to. No matter how cool my neighbor is, I want to distance myself a little bit from them because you can't get away from them. That's the problem.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Not doing it. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

No. So these people are diving in though now. The sons, Becky, sons here. Christopher is the. Is a 19 year old son that's I believe her second son from the previous marriage. He lived in a place of his own but spends a lot of time with his mother at this house. He's there all the time for some reason, I mean very close to her. But he's 19 too. He should probably be.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Doing other things, you know. So now Rebecca's older son, the oldest one, Michael, lived at the house and is, I believe he's like 21 or something. Rebecca got Christopher, the 19 year old, a part time job at the physical therapy clinic where she and Kay worked as well, so everybody works there. Now, the. The home, both homes appeared to have been broken into, and they believe that Kay interrupted a burglary that, you know, Becky was just lucky enough to not come home in the middle of here. Now, Becky and Christopher, her son, were both present when the deputies got to Kay's home that morning. So they were both there. Becky actually followed a deputy into the house, but once they saw blood, they escorted her out of the house.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, you can't be in.

[James Petregallo]

No, because she was like, I want to see if my friend's okay. I want to go in there. And they saw blood, and they're like, oh, now it's crime scene. You got to back the fuck out here now. They shouldn't have let her in before because it was still a crime scene. If it was a burglary, that's a crime scene. You can't be letting people wander around and touch shit. But anyway, she is escorted out at that point. She tells deputies then that her home's been broken into also. They said they found her home ransacked, but they couldn't find a sign of forced entry there. There was no broken back door, so she might have had an open window or a door that you didn't lock, some shit like that. So obviously, this looks like a targeted attack on this neighborhood. And sure enough, if you live in this neighborhood, it's not just one house, it's two houses. This is scary. You know what I mean? These people are freaking out. They. And people say, this here's a quote from a neighbor. Quote. You move to a neighborhood because it's supposed to be a nice, safe place to live, and then something like this happens. Something like this. That's right. Then there's a guy, one of the neighbors, who's a former army sergeant who served multiple tours in Afghanistan. He said, I'm not afraid. That's gonna. Because I said, are you afraid this could happen to you? And he said, not at all.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Not me.

[James Petregallo]

He said, I'm just gonna improve access to my weapons. That's what he said.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

I'm just gonna place more weapons around my house and live.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm gonna get real strategic about my pistol.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I'm gonna live like a. Like I am in, like a. Like I'm in. Under a state of siege all the time now. That's all. That'll be better. One lady who lived here for eight years said she's never heard of a break in. In this neighborhood before. This is crazy. She said, we watch out for each other here. So you know, we're nosy. We stare out the window and write license plate numbers down and shit like that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I know shit that my neighbors do. That's weird.

[James Petregallo]

That's weird. So the police, what they do right away is after, you know, that day, they don't know shit. They have no leads. They actually put out please help us to the public, which is not real confidence inducing. The fact that this is less than 24 hours old and they've already gone, well, we've done all we can do. I don't know. You guys got any ideas? How scary is that?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Frustrating. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Disturbing. So the. Yeah. They say they need help solving this death. The captain here says he hopes someone was watching. They said, I hope someone was looking out the window for this.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Anybody have a fingerprint, anything?

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

We'D still enjoy if you guys would come in, run a show.

[James Petregallo]

We still don't have a goddamn idea what we're doing, but if you have one, let us know. This is one of the saddest, if not the saddest case we've investigated in a long, long time. So. Okay. Now that is one day. So that goes by the next afternoon happens. Okay.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Next afternoon, Becky Sears, the next door neighborhood. Yep. Okay. She's leaving the Healing Hands physical therapy center where she works the next day. She still went to work. People are breaking into neighbor, breaking into your houses, in your neighborhood, killing your friends and co workers. And you still go to work the next day, though.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I got work to do.

[James Petregallo]

You're not calling in.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I got shit to heal.

[James Petregallo]

She's walking to her vehicle, talking on the phone after her shift, Right. Walking out toward the parking lot when she said a man jumped out of a bush from the rear of the building and brandished a pistol at her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Okay. She turned to go back inside when the guy shot at her. And she later on said the man told her that if she didn't have his money, it would be her face, which I've never heard that one before. I've heard it'll be your ass, but not your face. I mean, that's worse, honestly.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

You can't see your ass. You gotta show your face all the time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think the guy is making a bigger threat.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. If he didn't have his money. So that's when she turned around and ran. And she's on the phone, by the way. So someone else hears this and hears a gunshot, and the gunshot actually grazes both of her legs. He did shoot. Yeah. No, this person shot at her. And the gunshot grazed both legs, so it must have gone on the inside of it, I assume. Or if she was turned sideways, maybe sideways at the front or whatever it was. But it grazed both legs, but didn't actually. Not a hardcore bullet wound here. Then the man ran off toward the woods. One shot and he took off. The police find a.22 caliber shell casing at the scene. When they get there, the sergeant commented about Becky. Quote, she wasn't real happy about getting shot. Well, no shit, really, most people are. That's interesting. So she is treated for her wound here now. Man, that's fucking wild. Both women, by the way. So now two women from the Healing Hands Physical Therapy center have been attacked in successive days.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And if anybody's got a ballistic kid at home, please bring that by the stairs.

[James Petregallo]

If you have that. If you have that. By the way, anybody know how to get someone to. To like, admit to some stuff they don't want to admit to anybody? Because if you do, we're open for any ideas you got. It's hard.

[Jimmy Whisman]

At minimum, a GSR kit, please bring them by the station.

[James Petregallo]

I mean, that's complicated. I don't know. I don't know if we have the facilities to process that. But if you can just get someone to not lie, if you can do that. Is that possible? If only they had a machine that could tell us if they were lying. Does anybody know anything about that? So the sheriff here, the captain, the captain of the Columbia County Sheriffs here, he said that he knows of no link between these two crimes, by the way, the shooting and the killing in.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Successive days from the fact they happened at the exact same time.

[James Petregallo]

No, not the burglaries.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And then this shooting, her house is robbed and.

[James Petregallo]

Okay, yeah. Doesn't know of any link between them. I would say this has to be just the unluckiest fucking group of neighbors that's ever lived. If there is no link here, they.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Said to me, like, Somebody's terrorizing them.

[James Petregallo]

They said, we've been in contact with Richmond county authorities concerning that matter, but there's no evidence to suggest a link is what they said.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Now, at the hospital, apparently where Becky goes there, she demands to know Kay's condition, demands to know K's condition, like really forcefully. Forcefully, which they're like, what the hell is wrong with this fucking deal here? This is very strange. Becky had visited K the day before, before she died, because the shooting happened on Thursday. And she. I guess she wasn't even conscious, Kay, at the time, but she visited her. Now, apparently, here, that's when after Thursday, the next day comes. And now all of a sudden, they have a confidential informant. The police come out and say, yes, a confidential informant that says, this is according to the search warrant that is written in the affidavit. A confidential informant advised he believed Rebecca Sears was responsible or involved in the murder of Mrs. Parsons. So now they're saying Becky over here killed Kay is what they're. That's what the confidential informant.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Somebody's telling us that they said.

[James Petregallo]

The confidential informant also stated that on more than one occasion, Mrs. Sears asked him to kill Mrs. Parsons.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

The confidential informant stated Mrs. Sears asked her sons, Christopher Bowers and Michael bowers, to murder Mrs. Parsons. Kids, gather round.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Holy shit. They said. So they said, well, why the fuck would the. What? This doesn't make sense. Were they winning? Mixed doubles. Too much. Like, what are we talking about here? Why would this happen? Then they said the confidential informant said that, quote, he had personal knowledge of Mrs. Sears being involved in a romantic relationship with David Parsons. Uh oh. Becky is fucking David. That's the problem.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

That is Becky's pork. And Parsons over here, not good.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So how could she do that?

[James Petregallo]

That is fucking crazy. He said, quote, this is the. We'll find out right now who the confidential informant is. Quote, his mother showed him text messages on her phone that made it clear she was having an affair with someone. His mother made it clear to Michael that she wished she knew someone who would kill someone for her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Look at how filthy her husband's being with me.

[James Petregallo]

Look at this.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Now, do you happen to know any dirty friends?

[James Petregallo]

Her husband was deployed in Afghanistan at the time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Martians?

[James Petregallo]

No. Becky's husband, Tony Sears.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Becky's husband Tony's in Afghanistan. She's fucking the neighbor.

[James Petregallo]

She's fucking the next door neighbor here. Wow. And apparently Becky wanted Kay out of the way to have a better relationship with her husband. With pig. With Kay's husband. So apparently this Affair had gone on. She said it ended in February 2009, which is the month before this. But authorities examined her phone records and found that the two still exchanged text messages, exchanging and professing their love for each other. So it didn't end so they said. That is a good motive right there. So they arrest Christopher Sean Bowers first. He is her 19 year old son and he's got a real like a minor police record. He was charged with marijuana possession in 2008 and driving under the influence of drugs and other traffic related offenses, but nothing that would suggest breaking into a fucking woman's house and murdering her in her living room.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Great.

[James Petregallo]

Murder. Brutally beating her to death in her living room. That's a really, that's a really fucking like rugged way to do that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

With a ball bat and a hammer.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. That is fucked.

[Jimmy Whisman]

For, for, for murder one.

[James Petregallo]

That's your first crazy. That's.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

I mean, I would assume shooting is the, would be the easiest. You can get a little distance. You don't have to like feel it on you. I would assume if you're, you know.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And if it fucks you up, you can get out of there fast, you can run away.

[James Petregallo]

You gotta beat a woman over the head 30 times with a bat and a hammer. That is real personal and real gross and you gotta have a special kind of, kind of stomach for that shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm sure we'll get there. But did he do this alone, James?

[James Petregallo]

Well, they said, the prosecutors say that the gunshot wound to Becky Sears was later discovered to have also been inflicted by Christopher.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's upset.

[James Petregallo]

No, he's not upset at all. That's the fucked up part. What now? They first looked at Michael because they said Michael had a bad drug problem and he lied to the police regarding his whereabouts around the time of the murder because he was off doing drugs. He didn't want to say that, so he lied and said something else. But they quickly ruled it out as more information came out that it was clearly Rebecca and Christopher that were doing that. Now, Becky's shooting, okay. They now think this was staged as a cover up for this.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Apparently she took a bullet for this shit.

[James Petregallo]

Well, she wasn't supposed to take a bullet. That's the point. It got fucked up. That's what's amazing. Apparently she planned to have her son threaten her with a gun while she was on the phone with someone so someone can hear it. So it looked like there was a crazy stalker on the loose. But at the time, apparently the son fucking. No one knows why. If he did it by accident or what, but he let a shot off when he was not supposed to at all. He was supposed to go, you know, give me your money or it's your face. And then she was gonna go, ah. And turn around and run. And then he was gonna run into the woods. That was the plan. And instead, she's laying on the ground going, why do my legs hurt? What the fuck just happened? This is fucked up.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You're super grounded.

[James Petregallo]

Holy shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, this is how they. The great part is how they figured this out. This is actually pretty goddamn good police work, I gotta say.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Really.

[James Petregallo]

And this show, it is honestly kind of rare.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Incredibly rare.

[James Petregallo]

Most of the time, it's like, how do you fuck that up? Well, this time, they actually were pretty smart here. This is how they got to Christopher, to get Christopher to admit all this. Apparently the Channel 12 news people had interviewed Becky Sears in a report about car insurance just a few months before the murder. Just doing a, you know, man on the street interviews. Right.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What are you paying? Right.

[James Petregallo]

This was at a gas station.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

She's seen filling up a white Ford F250 truck, which is the same truck they found parked at Christopher's home after the murder.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, fuck.

[James Petregallo]

So they connected it that way. And the crime scene analysts found blood on the driver's side door, the parking brake, and the seat as well. So that's how they figured it out. So search warrants built up a little timeline for what happened here. I guess Christopher hid in a room in her house, and then he went into the backyard and waited for. This is in Becky's house?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Waited for Mrs. Parsons to leave, then used a hammer to break in the back door, went upstairs, took a couple of things, but mainly just staged a burglary. And then, according to everything here, Becky went on to say that Christopher told her. Well, I guess when he. When Christopher was done, he told his mom that he beat the fuck out of her. And after the murder, Christopher, quote, went back to her house and entered through the back door and staged a burglary at her house and then left. So Rebecca stated Christopher called her and told her to pick him up. And when she did, he had blood on his face. And he said he took care of everything and beat the fuck out of her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So this is basically he ran out of the house to a different street, not right in front of the house. And Rebecca picked him up in the. In the 250F. 250. And got blood all over it. And that's how it Happened. So Rebecca stated that Christopher changed his clothes in the car and placed his bloody clothes in a backpack. And then they said the. The cop said the blood trail suggests that K fled from Christopher into the garage where she was ultimately murdered by blows from the claw hammer. Oh, God.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, fucking shit.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus. The bat wasn't doing. He hit her a couple times with the bat and she ran away. So he said, well, I guess the hammer is the way to do it. And Rebecca's other son, Michael, told police that his mother wanted Kay dead and talked about it all the time. And then they found. They found another friend of hers who also said that, yes, she's also asked me if I could kill Kay Parsons as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I never want to throw such great dick that it wants. Makes somebody want to murder somebody. That's crazy.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What kind of. What is he. What is he throwing?

[James Petregallo]

That's what I'm saying. She's. And also, how did she think this was going to work out? Here's my question. Never mind. Dick. Whatever. What did. How did she think this is going to work out? They were going to kill Kay and then get away with it. And then her and David were going to be together. And then what happens when her husband comes home from Afghanistan? They're going to kill him. I mean, what are we going to do here?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Or is she just making it easier to bang him while he's away? I guess when the husband comes home, all bets are off. We just don't. We don't see each other anymore.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. I don't know. That's what I mean. This is. This doesn't seem like it was thought out all that much, but for months she was asking people to kill this woman. So she really was into this. So now upon. So they question Becky, she confesses to everything. She gives it all up. Becky's don't hold it very well. You get a Becky in the box and she's going to fucking sing like a canary. You know what I'm saying? They're not known for holding up under questioning those Becky. There's no mob boss, no name Becky. It's not going to work. She enlisted and she admitted she enlisted the help of her son, which just makes her an even bigger scumbag. Let me ruin my son's life too. She said she picked him up from his place and drove him home. While she went to drop her other children off at school, Christopher broke into the house, beat her with a hammer and bat. Staged burglary. And then Rebecca picked her up. So Same shit. Now let's find out the schmuck in all this.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Tony, we got one. But yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, Tony. Yeah, Tony. He's a fucking idiot, this guy. Are you kidding me? This is the dumbest person.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jerk.

[James Petregallo]

I wish he would say that. That'd be normal. Instead, he. He's got Becky's back like a motherfucker. Even though she confessed to this. So did Christopher, so did Michael, so did another guy. Everything they have, the text messages of, she's been fucking the hud, the neighbor.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He still loves her.

[James Petregallo]

Doesn't care. He's got her back. Wow. Yep. He said that he's just so sad that this is a nightmare he can't wake up from. It's turned his family life upside down. He said just the other day, he said to his kid, you know, can daddy have a kiss? And he said, that's a moment that Becky's missing out on right now. The missing out. He said, quote, it's tough, real tough. All of us miss her so much. My whole world's changed. Okay? This is a real understanding cat right here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No shit. Maybe it's her that fucks great.

[James Petregallo]

This is crazy. Yeah. He said, then, this is amazing. Oh, this is about Kay. Okay? She was an innocent victim. She dropped her child off at school, came back home and was murdered. It's terrible. I can't even think about it. I don't even know what to think about it. So they said, do you think she's guilty? Let's start there. You don't know what to think. Where do you think on this? Do you think he's guilty? Tony said, no, no, no, not guilty at all. They all confessed to it. Not guilty.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who's more delusional, him or Aunt Diane's husband?

[James Petregallo]

Him. Yeah, 100% right. Because aunt Diane's not around to confess to everything she did and have him go, no, I think she's cool.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

He's just, like, got this memory he's trying to protect here. So they said, no doubt in your mind? And he said, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What does he think happened?

[James Petregallo]

This is a man who just came back from war. He knows reality. He's seen it. He just does not want to accept it. Here. This is a man who accepts reality in many portions of his life, but not here. Wow.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Tiny chunks, though.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. He said, or they said they're calling her a mastermind, but saying that he beat a woman. He beat a woman to death. Is that any part of. Is that any part of him that you've ever known. Meaning the son.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And he said, personally, I couldn't see him doing something like that. And then Tony said, becky's afraid that the smaller boys will forget her in time. So I keep bringing them down there for visitation. Wow. That's fucking amazing. And then this is. I believe her sister said, even if people wonder if Becky and Christopher are innocent, there's no doubt about the fact that the other children are completely innocent here. She says, you can look in their eyes and see that their spirit is still there. They're still holding, holding tight. But it's just your heart breaks for them every time you see that. Meaning Becky's kids.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Shocking.

[James Petregallo]

Then she says, this is what Tony says now. It's extremely hard. And to hear how she's being treated. It just doesn't seem fair.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who gives a fuck?

[James Petregallo]

She's being. They put her in jail, man. The food's not good. Like, it's not fair.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They lock her up.

[James Petregallo]

She's doing well. As well as doing well. As well as expected. Then he says, it's terrible. I can't even think about it. I don't even think about it. I don't even know what to think. He says again. Then they say, what do you think about the prosecution's claim that she was having an affair? There you go. Let's try to get some touch, a nerve of reality somewhere in Tony here. He says, I'd rather not talk about that. So let's push that reality off to the side and say, my wife's innocent.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What the fuck, man?

[James Petregallo]

I mean, I get that he's got three small children to care for now, which is tough, but, wow. They said, could the Becky, you know, be capable of something like this? I mean, they call her a mastermind, that she orchestrated this. And he said, no, no. He said, I don't believe none of that, and I believe she's innocent. He said, it just doesn't seem fair. I've always thought, well, you're in jail. It's not supposed to be fair until something like this does happen. Then you realize what they're going through. Yeah, murderers have a tough time. They have to go to jail. And everybody calls them. Yeah, I really.

[Jimmy Whisman]

For prisoners.

[James Petregallo]

Well, for Becky, anyway.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

I bet you the other prisoners doesn't have so much sympathy for. He's a real law and order guy. Till now. You know what I mean? That's the thing. So Becky's sister Renee says that she's been. She's been staying with Tony to help him with the boys. I bet she has. I was gonna say Renee. Renee's making Tony feel.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Their kids.

[James Petregallo]

Well, they're all boys if you think about it. Including Tony, I quote, help take care of the boys. Yeah, Tony's dick is included in that. Her family's also helping to pay for her sister and nephew's defense. So they asked Renee, no doubt in your mind she's innocent? And Renee said, no doubt whatsoever.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

I know my sister and I know my nephew. I know the things they're capable of, and this is not one of them. Are Tony and Renee just saying this to seem on the up and up so everybody doesn't think they're fucking? Is that what it is? Probably. No, they're great and innocent. We're just. We have to just huddle up together to try to get through this. Our desire to see Becky so bad. And then it's. Next thing you know. So they said that. She said that the boys ask about their mother all the time. So they asked Renee, do they understand what's going on? Yeah, Renee said, not really. I bet the 13 year old does.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm sure he gets it.

[James Petregallo]

He's seen a law and order in one of his days. Probably.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Even if he hasn't, he's seen Call of Duty. At this point, he knows what's what.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he said, it's just been raw. Was this really heart wrenching? Because every time the boys come up and give me a big hug, I think this is what Becky's missing. Every time some milestone happens, I think she's never gonna get this back. Well, if only she wasn't so crazy for dick that she murdered people. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sorry, but there was a real easy way for this not to happen. It's not like she couldn't, was backed into a corner or something.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This is all unforced errors too, by the way. Heart wrenching, isn't it? Gut wrenching or heartbreaking?

[James Petregallo]

One of the two? Yeah, it should be. I guess you can wrench a heart if you want to.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I suppose.

[James Petregallo]

I suppose it doesn't.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think it's gut wrenching and heartbreaking.

[James Petregallo]

That's better, I think. Yeah, that makes more sense. But nobody cares. That's the problem. The sister said they were 2, 5 and 13. Now they're 3, 6 and 14. So she's missed a few birthdays. So this is meaning a few months later, a few cumulative birthdays between the three of them. It's one year.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's only one.

[James Petregallo]

It's been like eight months. Literally. But that's what she said. And Tony said, becky's afraid the smaller boys will forget her in time again. Renee said even if people wonder if Becky and Christopher are innocent, there's no doubt about the fact that these children are so. Yep. Then she says Becky or Renee says she's not this type of person. The person that would be so cruel and vindictive and just. It was a heinous crime. Just heinous. And neither of them are heinous people.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I mean, he beat a woman with.

[James Petregallo]

A fucking claw hammer in her own home.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And then you picked him up and helped him cover. That's pretty heinous.

[James Petregallo]

And from all accounts, by everybody, a nice lady. Just a nice lady next door. It's fucked up what she did.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And somebody you is fucked up every fucking day.

[James Petregallo]

That's the other thing. You know, her kid. Well, you know, you know, all of this, you know, that's no thought or for anybody else's concern. But you know, that is fucking gross.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That is shocking.

[James Petregallo]

Just because.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Callous.

[James Petregallo]

Because Tony eats pussy like a fucking monster.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Has to, right?

[James Petregallo]

Has to. Has to. So that's what it is. The family says the most hurtful part is feeling like they've already been found guilty already, even before they go on trial.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No, they admitted it.

[James Petregallo]

That's the problem. They all confessed to it in detail. That's the problem. And all the details match up. This isn't like some coerced confession where it doesn't line up. They just said what happened? And she said and spilled it. That was it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

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[James Petregallo]

Harvard is the oldest and richest university in America.

[Jimmy Whisman]

But when a social media fueled fight over Harvard and its new president broke.

[James Petregallo]

Out last fall, that was no protection.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Claudine Gay is now gone. We've exposed the DEI regime and there's much more to come.

[James Petregallo]

This is the Harvard Plan, a special.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Series from the Boston Globe and WNYC's on the Media to listen.

[James Petregallo]

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[Nadine Bailey]

I hit rock bottom.

[James Petregallo]

But I made no excuses.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm disgusted.

[James Petregallo]

I'm so sorry.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Until you're wearing an orange jumpsuit, it's not real. Now it's real.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

He really thinks somebody else did it.

[James Petregallo]

They're real killer. He's like OJ now then Renee says, you feel like they've already been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. And you can find and you can kind of understand because you see, here's this woman with this lovely child and this terrible thing happens to her. You immediately want someone to blame. You immediately want a reason why. You don't want it to be a random act because you don't want to think it could happen to you. Well, yeah, no, this isn't. That's because it's not a random act at all.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

So months go by. Tony now moves to Nashville with his three young sons.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Is that right?

[James Petregallo]

Yes.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Because those boys, they may not ever forget their mother because they are bully age. They are gonna. Oh, they're gonna be reminded of this every year.

[James Petregallo]

It's probably not in Nashville, which is good. That's probably why you move there. You know what I mean? Whatever. Whatever's going on there. Something Morgan Wallen did something worse at his own bar or some shit. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't matter. Threw some. A chair at somebody or some shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Some girl is professing some awful thing she does to people on the streets.

[James Petregallo]

Doesn't matter right now. Yeah, Jimmy's buying a ball sack weed from a 12 year old. You know how it goes. Because that happened in Nashville. So guess what, though? Renee came with him too. She's got to help with the boys, you know, the sister.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Quote, unquote.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Boys ain't Gonna suck themselves.

[James Petregallo]

That's. Come on. Tony isn't going to feel better on his own here. So Tony says, with the kids and my job, I'm pretty busy. So it kind of takes my mind off of it. I'm sure Becky loves to hear that. Then Renee says, you go to sleep one night and you wake up the next days, and your life has entirely changed. But she's been helping Tony and just living with Tony ever since. I'm sure there's no sex going on there. So now they are facing charges of burglary, armed robbery, malice murder, and felony murder. These are not good.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's got to be aggravated with the theft. You know what I mean?

[James Petregallo]

That's the problem. And prosecutors are going for the death penalty for both.

[Jimmy Whisman]

There you go.

[James Petregallo]

Mother and son going for the death penalty.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Absolutely.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. So that'd be. Have there ever been a mother, son fucking combination executed before?

[Jimmy Whisman]

I don't know.

[James Petregallo]

Executed for murder. A mother and a son. That's crazy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Never heard of it.

[James Petregallo]

Does she. Does he get to sit on her lap while they do it? This is insane. So the prosecutor said, I think it's an appropriate case for the death penalty. They said that it's. It is, quite frankly, one of the grisliest murders I've seen. It's horrible.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's a fucking claw hammer.

[James Petregallo]

She said, police, he said, policeman discovered the victim had been beaten almost to death by a claw hammer in her own living room. The blood trail suggests she fled from Christopher Bowers into the garage where she was ultimately murdered by blows from the claw hammer. Now, their defense attorney's name, by the way, is Vic Hawk. Is his name Vic Hawk. Vic Hawk. H, A, W, K. And he said during the bond hearing. He said it's all circumstantial evidence. This is stupid.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Say what?

[James Petregallo]

They admitted to it. Her blood is all over her truck, man. What are you talking about?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Circumstantial?

[James Petregallo]

This. This is like a pretty. I mean, there's physical evidence, there's circumstantial evidence. There's telephone records, there's confessions. There's every form of fuck. There's the murder weapons. Every form of evidence possible they have here, Vic. Other than an eyewitness staring at the whole thing. They have everything else, but they eyewitnessed on themselves, so it doesn't really matter.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, there is an eyewitness. One for each of them.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, well, I got two. I got two witnesses. One for each of you. So this defense attorney said, I haven't really heard anything from the state with Regard to real evidence to justify concluding that Rebecca Sears killed anyone. Okay, wow. Tony and Rebecca or Tony and Renee, the new couple. They say, you know, people's thoughts. The death penalty creeps into their minds. You know, Tony said, everyone's entitled to an opinion. But I've actually had to stop reading the newspapers and blogs. The stuff that people write. I mean, it's gut wrenching. There you go.

[Jimmy Whisman]

There it is.

[James Petregallo]

What they think should be done to Becky and Christopher. Yeah. Because I mean, any go to a comment section of a crime like this and it's just people going, I want to take them and drag them behind my truck and then, you know, cook them on my smoker. Whatever crazy shit they're thinking of. So Tony said, here, you already know what's at the end of the trial. I try not to think about it much. I don't want to think about it. And Rene said, you have to plan for the worst and hope for the best. Sure, hope for farts, but plan for shit. Like I said before, that's all you can do.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's a fascinating choice to a murder trial.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. Hope for the best. They said, we are going to stand behind them all the way through and just hope and pray the truth comes out and we'll all be back together again. And Tony says, what keeps me sane is I know that soon it will be over and the truth will come out.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, behind him. Not in front of him or beside him. Definitely behind them.

[James Petregallo]

Definitely behind them. Because the one kid, he'll shoot you when you don't even. He's not even supposed to. So Vic Hawk now asks to personally review the crime scene with his client. He says that it's Becky's right to view the crime scene and that they have no intention to undermine the prosecution. He said, we do have the duty to investigate. The prosecution says they oppose allowing Becky to, quote, invade the home of the victim where her husband and three small children are still living. He just wanted to get a glimpse of David, I think, and his fucking. Just in his hog through his pants or something. Vic Hawk also asked for any notes made by investigators during a more than two hour gap in the recording of mississier's interrogation. He also requested that all evidence be preserved for independent testing. And they said, he said, our concern in this case is that there will be significant scientific testing. Prosecution says no objection to preserving the evidence, but you're not going to take the evidence to independent facilities without us, basically because, you know, we have to vet the company first and make sure. That they're a legitimate company that's not just, you know, working for you to get whatever results you want, basically. Sure. So the trial is going to happen here. And they said the. This is. One of the lawyers said we still have to address the issue of getting Mrs. Sears husband back from Afghanistan because he was redeployed again. You think they would go, okay, listen, my wife's on a fucking trial for murder, and I have three small kids to take care of. Maybe send somebody else. You know what I'm saying? It's. I'm not the only guy in the army. Like, I'm not. I know it's army of one. It's not me. Find somebody else and send them, because I am.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, I can be at home.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Like, I get. I signed up. But I doubt many other soldiers have this much shit going on in their life right now. You know what I mean? This is. This is a lot. Anybody else's wife up for the death penalty in here? No. Didn't think so. Can I fucking stay home? So 2012, here we go. Right before the trial comes up. This is three years later, by the way. It took that long. They just say fuck it and plead guilty.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Have to.

[James Petregallo]

Have to. That's what I mean. All this evidence of this and that. They have every bit of evidence in the world. I don't even know what they were thinking they wanted more of Vic.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Must have just run them like crazy and taken so much money from them.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Talking about, I can have you beat the case. Don't worry. Absolutely much money. We're doing testing. We got professionals that.

[James Petregallo]

I need another 80,000 for this. I need another 40.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Let them dry.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. If you got a family that's willing to put up money, they'll do that. Drain. So now the. It's been nearly 25 years, by the way, since this county attempted a death penalty case, since they've even tried for the death penalty in this. And that was for a serial rapist named Richard Daniel Starrett. So, yeah, the prosecution said good police work and airtight prosecution makes it abundantly obvious to criminals that they're better off taking. Not the death penalty, essentially. And the prosecutor said it's also a tremendous savings for local taxpayers because. And it is. They're gonna save so much fucking money doing this. So the sentencing comes around. Here we go. Mom and son standing next to each other for sentencing. You, ma'am and sir may fuck off. They are both sent to prison for life without parole. Okay, for murder, life for armed robbery, and 20 years for burglary each. Double life and 20 to run consecutively.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Holy shit.

[James Petregallo]

Life without parole and then Life and.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Then 20, and then 20.

[James Petregallo]

You're not getting out is what that says.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Never.

[James Petregallo]

I have stacked these to make sure that your asses are going to die in there, so that is unbelievable. That's. Bang them good there. I mean, I don't know if I'd give that for Christopher, really.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think I'd give it to him, mostly.

[James Petregallo]

I see. I'd give it to the person who planned it and manipulated their son. To manipulate your son to commit murder is way worse than murder. Like, that's way worse. A mother telling their. If my mother told me to kill somebody, I'd be like, are you out of your fucking mind?

[Jimmy Whisman]

But at 19, if she nagged you enough to do anything, you wouldn't just do it.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean. I probably would end up. That's what I mean, you end up doing it. Your mother has a lot of control over you, I think. Especially if you're 19.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Especially if you get nagged a lot.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I get that he's an adult, but. Yeah, I mean, give him. You know, I don't want him getting out till he's 60 or something. Because obviously, if you're capable of the years.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Beating some poor lady, some nice lady to death with a claw hammer, you got fucking problems. But she's diabolical.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. And the other part is, Chris knew exactly why he was. He was doing this because mom was cheating on dad.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean. Not dad, stepdad.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, right, right. Because he's from. He's from the other marriage. That makes it easier for him, I.

[James Petregallo]

Think it would have to be. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have any loyalty to this fucking guy. Probably beyond. Beyond that. Although he's been around for a long time because their oldest son was 13 at the time, so, I mean, that's.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Only been around for 15 years.

[James Petregallo]

He's been around at least since Chris was 6.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

You know, so that's. That's a.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Older. Younger than that, because nine months to carry that.

[James Petregallo]

That's. I was thinking, so five years old, you should, you know, have more respect than that. But anyway, they're both monsters. But, I mean, to beat someone's bad, but to come up with it is. And to say, I'll have my kid do it is next level diabolical. Yeah. Okay. Come on, hop in the truck. That's fucked up. So the prosecutor said it was a good resolution to the case. To get it done on both defendants that quickly. I hate to say that quickly. Three years later. Yeah. Once it actually came, it was quick, though. In what is this 2017 investigation, Discovery did a retelling of the story of this. This whole case here. They called it Unusual Suspects Deadly Intent. And then after that. Oh, Tangled up in Red, also Deadly Intent. Tangled up in Red two subtitles. Wow.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Then there was a. Multiple documentary things on this TV shows Evil Kin that shows. Did an episode called For Sale by Owner, which makes no sense for this episode, My Dirty Little Secret did an episode called Naughty Neighbors. Deadly affairs, of course. And we've seen Deadly affairs is the one with, like, Susan Lucci looking all horny. Deadly affairs, which is the funniest one. I love their recreations. It's so fucking hilarious. That's the one where the light was coming out of the woman's vagina. Remember that? That was like a crazy one there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Made that bald fucker look handsome.

[James Petregallo]

That was hilarious. Deadly Affairs. Love Thy Neighbor, obviously. And then, of course, of course you have to have an episode because it's a woman who killed someone.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. It snapped.

[James Petregallo]

It snapped. Of course, Rebecca Sears, obviously, she snapped. She didn't even snap.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She's living the best life.

[James Petregallo]

Snap means I can't take it anymore. This was like, how do I get that good dick more? It's different.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This is. I can take it so much more.

[James Petregallo]

And I don't even want to get my husband out of the way. That's the other thing. Because I need help with these kids. So I just want this lady out of the way so I can sneak over to the neighbor's house and tag him more. Yeah. This is wild shit. Oh, my God. Poor Kay is buried at the Sylvan Heights Cemetery in Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Oliver, Pennsylvania. She is. That's where she's from. Rebecca Bowers. Now. Let's see. She is. By the way, you want to see a person change in prison?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Wow. Did she change a lot? I don't know. You'd have to look. So far, don't bother anyone. But she went from very, like a slender blonde woman, very slender little blonde woman in her initial appearance to by the time she is in this. In jail here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

A couple years later, she's listed at 5, 4, 210 pounds.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She had a Sonny from WWE.

[James Petregallo]

She doubled. She doubled her weight in jail.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Like, pretty much doubled her weight. Which, I mean, whatever. But I mean, it's just that wasn't the way she was before that. But in jail she just like put on the carbs, I guess. That's tough, man. That happens to people in jail. They get pudgy. They get jacked or pudgy. One of the fucking two here, right? So, yeah, she's in there. She is currently at the Lee Arendelle State Prison in Alto, Georgia. And no release date for her, obviously.

[Jimmy Whisman]

None. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And then her. Her son Christopher, here, he is at the Smith State Prison in Glenville, Georgia. And yeah, he's stuck there. Now there is a. A novel about this quote, a novelization of the story, which means they can just make up whatever they want. It's called Hot Springs Drive. They're going to play up the fucking part of it a lot here. Hot Springs Drive was released in 2023. It was the winner of the Chicago Review of Books Best Fiction prize. This is the third title in Roxanne Gay Books inaugural series. Inaugural list. Hot Springs Drive. An urgent, vicious blade of a novel about a shocking betrayal and its aftermath. Asking just how far you'll go to have everything you want. Yeah, I like the description. Jackie Stinson's best friend is dead and everyone knows who killed her. Jackie wants to be many things, but a martyr's never been one of them. She's an emotional. An ex emotional eater and mother of four who's finally lost the weight she yearned to be free of in her new sharp edged body. She goes by Jacqueline. But leaving her old self behind proves harder than she ever imagined. And while she believes she should be happier, misery still chases her and motherhood threatens to subsume what little is left of her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

Holy Jesus Christ, man. They call Dark Springs Drive is a dark. Hot Springs Drive is a dark, heart pounding exploration of one woman's deepest desires and how the consequences of betrayal can ripple outward beyond the intentional strike point. Wow. Okay. Anyway, so they say only one left in stock of the hardcover, so. Jesus Christ. Scramble for him now, everybody. So there you go. That's Grovetown, Georgia, and what a fucked up weird. You don't know what's going on behind closed doors. And this is creepy. That's why.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So shitty.

[James Petregallo]

So shitty. So if you think it's shitty also, or you just want to say how much you love the show, tell everyone about it, get on whatever app you're listening on and give five stars. Get on other apps you don't even listen on and give five stars. It fucking helps a lot. It really does. I'm telling you. You got 20 minutes. Let's say you're sitting on the toilet. You got A few minutes. Fucking give us some reviews. It's easy. So. Dude, that'll keep you occupied too. To that also. Shut upandgivemerder.com get your tickets for live goddamn shows. We are so excited. They are up right now to be bought on the site. And Pittsburgh, you are up next up first. Yeah, get your shit together and get in there. You're up first. So we are very jacked for that. And the dates go as follows. We are February 7th, Pittsburgh. It's the Oakland Carnegie Music hall, not Munn hall. People. Apparently. That's a big deal there. I don't know why you would name two fucking venues and two different cities around you and suburbs the same fucking thing. It makes no sense.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's how big of a deal Carnegie was.

[James Petregallo]

It's big. It's big. Yeah, we'll name it all after him. February 8th, we're in Columbus at the beautiful Davidson. That's a nice place. May 16th, St. Louis at the pageant. That was a nice place. We did that a couple years ago. May 17, Chicago at the Riviera. That's going to be fun. Saturday, September 6th, we are in San Diego, California at the observatory. Sunday, September 7th, we are in Irvine at the Irvine Improv in California. There then. I'll skip that one because that's the one we're going to announce. It's going to be September 19th is the show that we're going to announce later. September 20th, Grand Rapids, Michigan, baby. We are jacked for that first stop. Friday, October 17, Portland, Oregon at the Newmark. Then the next night in Seattle at the Moore. Then Friday, December 12th in Philadelphia. And we close it all out with December 13th in Washington DC. Get your tickets right now. We are jacked about it. Cannot wait. Absolutely excited also. Get yourself some patreon. Patreon.com crime and sports is where you get all of your bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above, you're gonna get number one. A gigantic big old fat back catalog of episodes you never heard before. If you've never had Patreon, hundreds of them, then you get new ones every other week. Of, of course, one crime in sports, one small town murder and we just give it to you all for five bucks. Just take it. Just take it. Yeah. It's taking up too much space around here. We need to get rid of it. Just take it. We don't care for crime and sports this week. Something that has nothing to do with sports. Back by popular demand, newspaper personal ads. Let's see how people tried to get laid. Not in person, before apps, because this was the only way to do it basically back then. Unless you want to do a video service or something then for Small Town Murder, we are going to talk about the West Memphis three and very specifically, how the fuck did this happen?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What the hell?

[James Petregallo]

How did we even get to the point of those kids sitting in a room being interviewed? Just that. Just how do you pick those three out of everybody to fuck with?

[Jimmy Whisman]

So how do you make such a mistake?

[James Petregallo]

We'll talk all about it. That is one of the bigger fuck ups. And when you hear about it, it was a special serendipity of stupid that happened there to make this happen. Which that would be the name of the episode if it was a regular episode. That's not bad. So check all that out. That is patreon.com crime and sports and you get a shout out at the end of the show as well. So do that. And again, program note the next Small Town Murder, the regular episode that we're going to do that will come out early on Wednesday and then out fully the next week. That will be our 1000th episode of Small Town Murder and Crime and Sports, which is incredible. That's so many. So much podcasting and so much research and so much everything and so much laughing and we had a great fucking time doing it. So we're gonna throw another thousand out there before we're done for sure. So keep hanging out with us and doing that. You want to follow us on social media, Real, real easy to do. Just head over to shut upandgivemerder.com drop down menu will send you anywhere you want to be. Not just us, anywhere.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's all right there.

[James Petregallo]

Make it your homepage. Just go right there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

The world's yours.

[James Petregallo]

The world is your oyster right from there. So come hang out with us. Keep doing that and keep coming back. And until next week, everybody, it has been our pleasure.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Bye.

[James Petregallo]

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[Nadine Bailey]

You don't believe in ghosts. I get it. Lots of people don't. I didn't either until I came face to face with them. Ever since that moment, hauntings, spirits and the unexplained have consumed my entire life. I'm Nadine Bailey. I've been a ghost tour guide for the past 20 years. I've taken people along with me into the shadows, uncovering the macabre tales that linger in the darkness and inside some of the most haunted houses, hospitals, prisons and more. Join me every week on my podcast, Haunted Canada, as we journey through terrifying and bone chilling stories of the unexplained search for Haunted Canada on Apple Podcast, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you find your favorite podcasts.