#592 - Murder Texts Are Forever - Clifton, Arizona

Summary

Podcast Summary: Small Town Murder

• Episode: #592 - Murder Texts Are Forever - Clifton, Arizona
• Release Date: May 2, 2025
• Hosts: James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman

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Introduction

In episode #592 of Small Town Murder, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmie Wisman delve into a harrowing true crime case from Clifton, Arizona. This episode, titled "Murder Texts Are Forever," explores the intricate details surrounding the murder of Matthew Gerald Mizzner, the ensuing investigation, and the courtroom drama that followed. Balancing thorough research with their signature comedic touch, James and Jimmy guide listeners through the dark corridors of small-town secrets.

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Background: Matthew and Georgina

Matthew Gerald Mizzner, born in August 1984, hailed from a loving family in Tucson, Arizona. Raised in Pima County, he attended Pima Community College with aspirations of wrestling, reflecting his athletic background from high school. Matthew married Georgina Melissa Mendoza in 2013. Georgina, born in October 1986, had a tumultuous upbringing marked by an abusive father and a challenging childhood, which starkly contrasted with Matthew's stable family environment.

The couple quickly expanded their family, welcoming their first child prematurely in late 2013, followed by a second child less than a year and a half later. The stress of raising two young children, combined with Matthew's demanding job at the Morenci copper mine, strained their marriage. By 2017, the couple had divorced, leading Georgina to move back to Tucson with their children.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo [21:34]: "So he ended up applying for work at the copper mine, which is about three hours away from Tucson. They leave everybody and all that shit and move out in this area. They moved to Safford, which is about 40 minutes from the mines."

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The Unraveling: Custody Battles and Tensions

Post-divorce, Matthew sought full custody of their children amid a contentious relationship with Georgina. The custody dispute intensified when Georgina falsely claimed to have cancer in late 2019, manipulating the situation to limit Matthew's visitation rights. During this period, Matthew began a relationship with Nicole Chacon, a fellow mine worker, further complicating the already strained relations.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo [20:15]: "Exactly. And things that start when someone's 17 years old and go on to 21, like, that's, you know, you think of that as. Yeah, people make mistakes."

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The Murder: February 12, 2020

On February 10, 2020, a local fire chief discovered the body of Matthew Mizzner in a black Chevy Tahoe parked along US 191 near Safford, Arizona. The vehicle was riddled with 14 bullet holes, including three in the victim's face, indicating a targeted attack. Forensic analysis confirmed that Matthew died from three gunshot wounds to the head inflicted by a 9mm pistol.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo [35:37]: "In his face. Not his face. That's from the Colorado episode we did a few weeks back with the postal worker who killed her postal worker ex. That was wild."

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Investigation: Linking Eduardo Montano and Georgina Mendoza

Initial suspect lines pointed towards road rage incidents common in Arizona. However, the number of bullets suggested a more calculated act. Attention turned to Eduardo Montano Jr., a former acquaintance of Georgina. Eduardo had previously dated Georgina briefly and had exhibited suspicious behavior, including taking photos of Matthew's car—a detail that became crucial.

Text messages revealed a conspiracy between Eduardo and Georgina to murder Matthew. Georgina had manipulated Eduardo by exploiting his own traumatic past, convincing him to carry out the deadly act to facilitate her custody claims.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo [63:01]: "They found also that based on the data that Eduardo was in the area of Matthew's residence that morning. At 4am, the morning of the murder, it appeared through text messages that he'd been stalking Matthew."

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Arrest and Trial

Eduardo Montano was swiftly arrested within 48 hours of the murder, charged with second-degree murder and conspiracy to commit aggravated assault. Georgina Mendoza faced similar charges, pleading guilty to her involvement but maintaining her innocence regarding the actual execution of the crime.

During sentencing, family members of Matthew expressed profound grief and hatred towards Eduardo, vowing justice for their lost loved one. Despite Georgina's attempts to mitigate her sentence by citing mental health issues and a troubled past, the court deemed her manipulative and a danger to society, resulting in a 33-year sentence.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo [70:20]: "They talk about how, you know, we try hard as we try to find the answers to this senseless murder."

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Conclusion

Episode #592 of Small Town Murder presents a chilling narrative of betrayal, manipulation, and tragedy within the secluded community of Clifton, Arizona. Through meticulous research and engaging storytelling, James and Jimmy shed light on the complexities of small-town dynamics and the dark paths they can lead to. The episode underscores the profound impact of personal trauma and the lengths individuals may go to protect their interests, leaving listeners with a somber reflection on the fragility of relationships and the consequences of deceit.

Notable Quote:

James Pietragallo [76:38]: "She needs a kick in her ass is what she needs. Fuck therapy."

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Key Takeaways:

• The interplay of personal struggles and strained relationships can escalate to tragic outcomes.
• False narratives, such as Georgina's fabricated cancer, can manipulate legal proceedings and custody battles.
• Swift and thorough investigations are crucial in unraveling complex criminal conspiracies.

For Listeners: If you found this episode compelling, consider subscribing to Small Town Murder for more in-depth explorations of true crime cases, narrated with insight and humor by James Pietragallo and Jimmie Wisman.

Transcript

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

Now back to the show.

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[James Petregallo]

Hello everybody and welcome back to small town Murder Express. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Choo choo.

[James Petregallo]

Oh yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petregallo. I'm here with my co host.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm Jimmy Wisman.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today. All aboard the murder train pulling away from the station. We have another crazy case today. We're gonna be in Arizona. I have some, some insight into this case and I may have even met these people. That's the crazy part. Yeah, that's just a little weird spoiler there but it's a strange thing. We will talk all about that. Before we get to that though, head over to shut upandgivemerder.com get your tickets for live shows there including you can still get the virtual live show that we did, the 420 virtual live show. We think it's the best one we've ever done. It's really funny. The case is crazy. Bigfoot's involved. So I mean, you know, it's nuts. I got Jimmy so stoned it's hilarious. I played an edible trick on him and everything. It's wild. It's a good trick. I thought it worked. So you can get that if it's anytime. 14 days after May 19th or I'm sorry, after April 19th. Two weeks after April 19th, if you're in that window, you can definitely still purchase that and get tickets for live shows in person. Especially Chicago at the Riviera May 17th. Get your tickets. The night before is sold out in St. Louis. So get in there and do that. Thank you for doing that. Shut up and give me murder.com also head over to patreon. Patreon.com crimeinsports is where you get all of the bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above. You are going to get first of all hundreds and hundreds of episodes to binge on of bonus stuff immediately and then new ones every other week. One crime in Sports one small town murder. And do they get both of them? We'll give them to them. There you go. You get it all this week, what you're going to get for crime and sports, we are going to dip back into the fraternity hazing waters here with part two of that of all sorts of Ben Franklin was involved last time. No one expected that. Then for small town murder, we are going to dip into the Lori Valo trial or Valo Daybell. She represented herself and I watched every goddamn second of it more than once. So it's going to be a lot of fun to talk about that because she did not do a great job of lawyering. We'll talk all about it. Patreon.com crimeinsports that said, I think it's time everybody. Yeah, let's all do this here. Let's all clear the lungs. What do you say here? And let's all take deep breaths and let's all shout shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's go to Arizona. Here we go. We are going to Clifton, Arizona.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Clifton. Yeah, out there.

[James Petregallo]

And that's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's rural as fuck.

[James Petregallo]

That is out by Morency, out in that southeastern way, far southeast corner of Arizona that people don't even remember exists. It's like the western parts got like Yuma and all that kind of shit and like, you know, the northern. But no one ever even remembers southeastern Arizona because is this Gila County? There's nothing there. This is Greenlee County.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Greenlee. Golly.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. This is about three and a half hours to Phoenix, as I know because I've driven this. It's about three and a half hours to Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. The other direction. Right in the middle of that, it is right outside Morenci, which is a tiny, tiny mining town that we'll talk about because I've. I performed there. It was the weirdest thing ever. And about three and a half hours to Casa Grande, Arizona, which was our last Arizona episode, Keeping Deadly Secrets. That was the guy who pretended he was Scottish.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And had a whole scam going and then was a murderer after that. So population in this town? 3780. And I was shocked that there's that many people here, honestly. How many in Clifton? 3,780 psychos. I don't know where, because Morency, I'll explain it in the beginning of the show, but it is the smallest town you ever want to be in. It's crazy. The median Household income here is right at the national average, about $69,000. Median home price here. This is crazy because Phoenix, the prices are out of control here. 118,500 bucks.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's how far out it is.

[James Petregallo]

I cannot express to you how far in the middle of fucking nowhere this is. It is so far out there. The motto here is where the trail begins or ends. Depends on how you look at it, really.

[Jimmy Wisman]

If you're there, it certainly begins to get you the fuck out of here.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean. You want to get on that trail to get to somewhere. Better put it that way. A little bit of history here. This area was first known as Goulding's Camp, named for one of the early miners. And the town of Clifton was founded in 1873. The miners would settle along the canyons, like the banks of the stream there, and that's where they would do it. Mining companies were formed and all sorts of claims were staked out and developed. It's all mining here. That's all. It's here. If the mine shut down, everybody would leave. There'd be nobody living here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There's nothing else.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, they had all sorts of different mines. The whole history of the town is based on mining, basically. Copper is the big thing out here. That's what they're mining, by the way, in case we know it. But I don't know if everybody else knows. That's what they're. That's what they're doing out there. And they're still. After 140 years of continuous mining, there's still copper. They're pulling out.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Stop it.

[James Petregallo]

It's still going on. It's. That's how it's a town. It's crazy. That hasn't dried up yet. Here are some reviews of this town and I'm going to give. There's one review for Clifton and then I'm going to give a couple for Morenci, since it's right next door. Here is four stars. I have lived in the Clifton Morency area since I was a child. It is a tiny town that can be very toxic. Oh, that mining change that I would like to see is more things for teens to do along with young adults. Dude, when we were not going to happen, when we were in Morenci, after we did the show, like, we saw a couple of teenagers hanging out out there and we actually said, what the hell do you guys do around here? And they were like, it's fucking rough, man. They were like anything. Oh, my God. They were like this comedy Shows the first thing we've done in like months. Like there's nothing to do. We basically go. He said, see where that parking lot is? And we're like, yeah. He goes, we hang out in there. I'm like, okay.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Like a bullpen.

[James Petregallo]

It's a grocery store parking lot. That's what they do. Four stars in Morenci. There's a great sense of family and community in this town. There really is a lot of community here. They community? Yeah, for sure. Everybody works in the same place. They all do everything together. The town loves to put on events for everyone in the community. That was a comedy show. It was literally a community event. It was crazy. And around the community to enjoy. Here's three stars. Only one big company to work for. The mine. They pay the best. Several smaller places to work, but the money's not as good as the mine, obviously. That's why people drive all the way the hell out here and live here. Two stars. Finally. Not many places to choose from, but there are several bars. Mediocre grocery store that's overpriced. Yeah, that grocery store sucked. I went in there and their pizza is horrific. There's a pizza place next to the grocery store. It is Ohio. Columbus. Ohio level. Bad pizza. It's bad.

[Jimmy Wisman]

How could you expect that to be any good?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. They are the only one within a one hour drive. The grocery store. And that's really. It's right in the town of Morenci. Right there. Wow. Things to do here. All right. The Frisco River Festival.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's the Frisco River.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. That's what that is. There's two. They two. Two different rivers or a river and a stream or whatever come together. They're going to have a festival that includes live local entertainment.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my God. Are you kidding me?

[James Petregallo]

I don't know where they're pulling local entertainment out of this joint, but. Hunter. Hunter Jones and her little dancers. That's one of the hunters.

[Jimmy Wisman]

A gal. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. The high school mariachi band. It says bank, but I think they mean band. I don't think it's the high school mariachi bank probably. So they misspelled that on their own website. A medieval fighting group. I didn't expect that. Did you expect that in here? Joe? What is this? Joe Chavarria and the Third Stone Band. And then a band called Rhythm and Blues. Very creative. Holy shit. You're gonna have local talent. Rosalind Carrillo Durrell singing the Star Spangled Banner. That's great. And then a bunch of crafts and foods and There will be free face painting, balloon animals, train rides for all the young people. It says no age or anything there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, just young.

[James Petregallo]

Come and celebrate with our community on Saturday, March 29, and enjoy the local entertainment, vendor treats, crafts, and a family friendly fun festival. Okay. Family friend, family friendly fun festival. A lot of F's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Too much. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

That said, let's talk about a murder. Okay, There we go. And in the beginning, I am going to just to describe what this town is like. I'm going to talk about this. I did a comedy show out there. I think you passed it to me.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I've done it.

[James Petregallo]

You have done it?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. Because I did it the month before or two months before you.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. Either way. I ended up at this fucking place and they paid me $150. And when you're a struggling standup comic, because this was 2015, this is pre podcast or anything. When you're a struggling standup comic, if someone offers you $150 plus gas money in a free hot, you fucking go, baby. You get in the car, you drive three and a half hours while first stopping at the airport to pick up the two other comics that are coming. That was part of the game.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Pick up the other guys.

[James Petregallo]

I had to pick up them. They paid for gas. That was part of the deal. And we drove all the way the fuck out there. It is a long, bleak drive into southwestern Arizona or southeastern. We get there, when we got there, we got to the motel and we were supposed to text somebody when we got to the motel. So we texted them six minutes later. She had to be 14 months pregnant. This lady gets out of her car and comes in. She's the motel lady, and it's like 12:30 at night and she's hustled. We're like, oh, my God, we're so sorry. We didn't mean to get you out of bed.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And she's like, tell us where the key is.

[James Petregallo]

She goes, oh, no, no, the comedy show. Boy, everyone's so excited. We're like, what? We get inside, she's checking us in. Some security guard comes in who's like the town security guard. And he goes, are these the comedians? And she goes, yeah. And he goes, oh, man, we're so excited, man, everybody's so excited. And one of the comics goes, who's everybody? And he goes, everyone in town. He goes, everyone's going to this. The whole town comes to the show. We're like, for real? He goes, oh, no, it's everybody, dude. This is like everybody's. Date night.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is.

[James Petregallo]

I'm taking my wife. Like, they were all, like, I said, pregnant lady. She's like, oh, I'll be there. We were like, what is going on in this town and the whole fucking township? There was 500 people there. It was a lot of people.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It was full.

[James Petregallo]

It was full of packed. They were a great crowd, too, in.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That, like, weird tin building.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Not a crowd you want to get too esoteric with or anything like that, but they were definitely fun.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Too much crowd work around here.

[James Petregallo]

You do some dick jokes, they'll laugh at them, though. It was good stuff.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They're having a great time. I was terrified they were going to hate me. And after I was done, I was like, me too. I could have said anything.

[James Petregallo]

Anything. It was easy. It was just easy, dude. Easy. Crowd so terrified.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I thought I was going to die.

[James Petregallo]

What I'm saying is the people in this story, there's a really, really, really good chance that I've met these people. Yeah. Because they probably came to that comedy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Show that they did.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So. And you maybe, too. So.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Anyway, let's get into this. Here. Here is a young man let's talk about named Matthew Gerald Mizzner. M I S E N E R Mizoner. Mizoner. Either way, he's born in August of 1984. Grows up in a real nice house, like, nice loving home with a good family, everybody happy. His parents are Gene and Raymond. He has two brothers and two sisters. So, I mean, just a nice, very nice family. And I think I might have liked this guy, too. I think if I knew this guy, because he. His. One of his old email addresses was buddhasmoker36ol.com like, all right.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wonder what that means.

[James Petregallo]

This guy's. All right. Known as a real nice guy. A real, like a big. He's a big guy. Big, like kind of stocky guy. Real nice guy. Big old head on him. Just a big, stocky guy. Looks like he works in the mines type of guy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Grew up in this area.

[James Petregallo]

No, no, no, he didn't. He grew up in Pima County, Tucson area.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, okay. All right. Okay.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, he went to Pima Community College. I guess he went there. He wanted to wrestle there. He was a wrestler.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

In high school. So, yeah. And he ends up meeting a young lady in 2011 after all of this named Georgina Melissa Mendoza is her name. So Georgina Melissa Mendoza he meets in 2011. Apparently, he's. He's a real nice guy, but he's not very outgoing. You know what I mean, like, he's not like a center of attention kind of guy at all.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sure.

[James Petregallo]

And Georgina is really outgoing. So a lot of times those kind of personalities attract each other because he needs him. Yeah. You can't have two people that are that much outgoing because they're bumping heads with each other then. And you can't have two people just sitting there because then no conversation happens. So then what? Yeah, yeah, this is good here. He gives her the spotlight and she has someone to engage with. So there you go. So she's born in October 1986, so a couple of years younger than him, but in the ballpark. She's very outgoing. He's a little more introverted, like we said. Now, he came from, like we said, a very nice background, very loving home. Georgina did not come from such a background. She had a little bit rougher background. Yeah. Her father was very abusive to her mother and ended up in prison now.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

Like for most of her childhood. And I don't know if that's for the abuse or for any other things he's doing. If he's that abusive to his wife, I can't imagine he's an upstanding, law abiding citizen. In every other regard, maybe. So, yeah. If you beat your wife in front of your kids, you're pretty capable of anything at that point. Right. I put nothing past you because you're a monster. So anyway, her childhood, she has a stepfather that her mom marries here that is more stable, so that's good. And actually she kind of pulls it all together. And in high school she does great. She's a really good student, gets good grades. She likes to play soccer, she's in choir and drama and all that kind of shit. Yeah, she's doing all sorts of stuff and, you know, kind of immersing herself in the school stuff.

[Jimmy Wisman]

High school thing.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. Which is, I guess, good if you want to be a good student. I didn't do that and that's why I was a poor student, probably.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Kids are mean, man.

[James Petregallo]

That's freshman, sophomore, junior year, she's like that. Then her senior year, completely different person goes off the rails, really. Starts using drugs here. Not smoking weed, put it that way. She's doing other shit. She's doing real drugs. So much so that she went from being a very good student and involved in all kinds of activities by the end of her junior year to dropping out before graduating.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, senior year. The wheels came off the wagon here, man. It's not great.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What is that about?

[James Petregallo]

She ended up going to rehab after that. I mean, she was pretty much strung out for about four or five years and then went to rehab and had sobered up and been sober for about two years after she was in rehab. And that's when she Met Matthew in 2011, was right around then. So very different backgrounds. Couldn't be more different. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's catching her on, like a good partner life. She's about to really start getting it together.

[James Petregallo]

That's what he's hoping. Yeah. Well, she's presenting herself as fine now because she's very outgoing, she's not on drugs. She's all cleaned up. And it looks like when someone has a big problem and they clean it up a lot of times, that's very impressive because that takes a lot of, you know, willpower and everything else, too. I mean.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sure. And it's easy. I believe this person's gonna hang on to all this when they're an outgoing, loud, gregarious person.

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. And things that start when someone's 17 years old and go on to 21, like, that's, you know, you think of that as. Yeah, people make mistakes. So anyway, they get married in 2013. Oh. And Georgina gets pregnant pretty quick.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yeah. So now that she's pregnant, now Matthew's like, oh, fuck, I got to get a real job here. Like, I need her a career. So he got a job at the Morenci copper mine.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There it is.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. Right this year. I mean, that's. Yeah, he gets a job at the Morenci copper mine, which is certainly not anybody's life goal.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

But if you need to make some money and you live in southeast area.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Certainly gonna do it.

[James Petregallo]

That's the only way to go. So he ended up applying for work at the copper mine, which is about three hours away from Tucson. Like we said, he leave. His whole family's in Tucson. He leaves everybody and all that shit and moves out in this area. They move to Clifton or Safford. Safford. I'm sorry. They moved to Safford, which is about 40 minutes from the mines.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. That's a bit out. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

To the west. You have to drive. Keep driving east to get there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, yeah.

[James Petregallo]

But I guess that Safford's a little bit. I don't even know if it's a bigger town. It's about the same. I think it's pretty.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Pretty equal. Probably a little more people, a little more. There might be a bigger Walmart.

[James Petregallo]

That's. That might be it. Yeah, exactly. He might have A couple of things like that. So he did all that. He liked his job, by the way, Gets his job in the mine. He ends up really liking it. He digs it. He likes the people that work there. He's, you know, everybody says he's a real good guy, gets along with everybody. So, yeah, after their son is born here, they're living in Safford, and their son is born extremely premature.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, no.

[James Petregallo]

Which is really tough. His brother said, quote, I mean, my brother's wedding ring actually fit around his wrist.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, he was so little.

[James Petregallo]

That's extremely little. Yeah, that's like when you have, like quadruplets or something. They're that, you know, that premature. But this is just one. He spent several months in the hospital, this poor kid. So, I mean, that's tough for a new family, too, and young people, and it's hard. It's hard. So the brother said. I knew he was very excited when his son was finally coming home. So about less than a year and a half later, they have a daughter, too.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

That experience, that experience didn't scare them off of fucking leaving it in for a while too long.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. That would certainly scare the semen right out of me. I think I'd be having a vasectomy in a second.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, definitely scare me to the condom aisle, I'll tell you that much.

[Jimmy Wisman]

At the very least, I'm not doing that again.

[James Petregallo]

That is a lot. So the problem is things aren't so great here. So. No. They have the two kids in a very short window and then she gets pregnant again. So. Yeah, so now they're having a third kid coming up. And I think this is hard on both of them, by the way, too. I mean, I don't think Georgina wanted to have three kids right away either. So.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Whack, whack, whack. Put that on back, man. Come on.

[James Petregallo]

Put it on something. Not anywhere but in there. So, yeah, Matthew is working as long hours. He's working overtime if he can. He's, you know, got a lot of bills to pay, if you can imagine that, obviously. And Georgina, then, is at home with these two.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Three children in diapers.

[James Petregallo]

Well, one in her stomach and two in diapers. That's brutal. I mean, that's brutal. And he's working long hours. It takes him 45 minutes to get to work, too. So, I mean, that's two hours. Add that to the length of his day.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is an American dream, James.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, this is brutal. Yeah, brutal. So by 2017, it's all gone to shit at this Point now in this relationship. And they're going to get a divorce now. So Georgina takes the kids and moves into her parents home in Tucson, where she was from. And that December she gave birth to the third child when they were already split up. And so now they gotta figure out custody. And that's the problem here is they have a little bit of a problem here. Matthew's sister said when Matthew and Georgina did get divorced, they had 50, 50 custody by the courts. Matthew wanted to be cordial and follow the judge's orders, but Georgina always wanted to be involved when he had the kids. She was being much more difficult. Yeah, one of those. And I found they have a couple of little things that they get into also. There's a. Georgina actually gets arrested for disorderly conduct fighting in 2017 at some point.

[Jimmy Wisman]

How old is she?

[James Petregallo]

Don't know where the fuck that happened. Jesus Christ. What is she, 32, 30 something? Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Jesus Christ.

[James Petregallo]

She's fighting, that's crazy. So disorderly conduct, fighting, she gets arrested for and we'll talk about it. Matthew in 2018 is going to get. I don't know if this is a ticket or an arrest or what, but he gets arrested for having a child passenger not in a seatbelt, but it wasn't in a regular car. It was in like a 10 person, 10 passenger van.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You still got to have a car seat.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what seatbelt this is. So I don't even know if it was his kids or he might have had other people maybe at his brothers and sisters, they're all going on a trip, take their kids. I don't know what it is but.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There was a child out of a seatbelt and he was probably driving, which makes it his responsibility.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he's the guy driving. That's all we know. So that's a couple of things that they get into. But soon after his divorce, Matthew meets another lady and hell yeah. At the mines, baby. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Fellow mine worker named Nicole. Yep. Nicole Chacon. She looked just sexy in that hard hat. I couldn't, couldn't resist her hard hat. Ponytail coming out the back. Something about it, man, I don't know. So copper cough. Yeah. So Nicole and he. Matthew works quickly anyway. I mean Met Georgina in 2011, they're married by 2013. Here he meets this Nicole in like 2017 or 2018 and by 2019 they're engaged.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Engaged?

[James Petregallo]

Engaged already? Yep. They're planning to marry, by the way. They have no idea that this is not going to be A great day to do this, but their plan is to get married on St. Patrick's Day, 2020. No, you're not. If you are, it's going to be weird. So that's pretty funny here. Now, fall of 2019, something terrible happens. Georgina calls Matthew and tells him that she has cancer.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, no.

[James Petregallo]

Which is obviously, even if you hate your ex wife, it's your kid's mother, you don't want her to have cancer. Jesus, that's horrible for the kids. And it's just general. You don't want to be a shithead and wish cancer on people. She sent Matthew pictures of herself with her head shaved and saying she had chemo. She said, I tried chemo, it about killed me. And I stopped. And the medicine I was taking gave me a really bad headache. So she's basically saying she stopped treatment.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's poison, dear. It's gonna be awful.

[James Petregallo]

It's not good for you. Yeah, you're trying to. It's basically, can we poison this cancer out of you before the rest of you dies? That's what it is. We bet the rest of your body's stronger than cancer.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. I've never heard anybody say, my grandpa got cancer. And it was real easy on him.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he loved that chemo, man. It was great. He loved every fucking minute of it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Look forward to talking to the nurses every time.

[James Petregallo]

We've seen plenty of people go through chemo and it's horrifying, it's ugly every time.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's never been good.

[James Petregallo]

Really bad. Now, okay, here's when shit gets really crazy. Now, okay, Matthew offered to help her with the kids, with anything, because this is obviously a big deal and it's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

A hard time in your life.

[James Petregallo]

And you would hope too, divorced or not, when something big comes up, you would hope that someone would try to help, you know, if there's kids involved and everything like that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. Co parenting isn't easy.

[James Petregallo]

No.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Especially if there's disagreements. But if somebody's sick, you got it.

[James Petregallo]

You gotta do it. So apparently he's offering the help, but instead of taking the help, Georgina apparently used this as a way to limit his visitation rights. Basically, she'd say, oh, I'm sick, you can't come get the kids, and stuff like that. I have somewhere to go. So you can't get the kids. So wouldn't that be better if I.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Came and got the kids?

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. That's the weird part of it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What are you doing?

[James Petregallo]

I don't understand it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So you understand I'm having a rough time I need to. I need to not have the kids talk.

[James Petregallo]

So Nicole confronted her. Yeah, Nicole here said, hey, what the fuck are you doing here? Yeah, you're causing him all sorts of strife. I'm sure he wants to see his kids. I'm sure they'd like to see her. So according to a police report, quote, Georgina, she slapped Nicole and they got into a scuffle. So now the ladies are fighting. Oh, God.

[Jimmy Wisman]

My new fiance is fighting my cancer patient expert. Oh, my God, what a day.

[James Petregallo]

I got my money on the hard hat personally. Yeah, I got my money on the mine worker.

[Jimmy Wisman]

If I had to guess, she's, surprisingly enough, the healthy one here.

[James Petregallo]

Yes. No shit. It's like I won't have black lung for another 30, 40 years. I don't think you get black lung from copper. I think that's a different thing now. That'd be really weird.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Copper cough, too.

[James Petregallo]

You get orange lung from copper. So copper cough. So she. Georgina then filed a complaint against Matthew and Nicole with Child Protective Services.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Hold on.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Didn't she instigate this?

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yeah, she slapped her. Yeah, she slapped her.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Which is not happy. She said that she claimed that they were abusing their children, which there was no proof of whatsoever. After investigating that, the allegation, CPS also determined that wasn't true. So they said that there was nothing that indicated Matthew or anybody else abused those children. Now Matthew's still concerned because he thinks maybe, you know, the cancer and everything else, maybe she's just acting a little wacky. You know what I mean? She's obviously got her mind on other things, and you don't know what kind of medicine she's taken that might make her a little loopy or who knows? So he petitioned for full custody of the kids. Now. Well, okay, so now he's like, all right, if you're gonna try to say I abused them, I'm gonna get full custody. Cause you're wacky. You slapped my fucking fiance. Whatever. So he petitions for full custody, which he has a court date set for February 11, 2020, where he's gonna go and present shit and try to get full custody. Okay, hey, everybody, just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you about our safest sponsor, Simply Safe. We love Simplisafe. Easy to say it. We love it. You make decisions all day long. That's all we do. But one of the easiest decisions we've ever had to make is to secure our homes and offices with Simplisafe. They're so good. When you Arm that system. You know that your family's gonna be protected. I do. I know. I'm like, everything's protected. My pets are protected. My, my stuff is protected. It's fantastic. You could whether you're stepping out for the day, whether you're gonna go to sleep at night, that is going to give you peace of mind. Just knowing that you are going to be secure in there. You can focus on what matters. I rest easier. I can go about my day knowing that if anything happens at all, floods, fires, burglaries, whatever happens, Simplisafe has got my back. They have me covered and they give me confidence and I like it. Visit simplisafe.comsmall to claim 50% off a new system with a professional monitoring plan and get your first month free. That's S I M p l I safe.com small there's no safe like Simplisafe. Now back to the show. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about some very fashionable folks at Quint's. We ordered from quints and we got cool stuff. Jimmy has these legendary linen pants that people have been talking about for a long time. And we'd say new items, but the linen pants are just. That's what gets people attention and they work well. I got a cool jacket and some sunglasses that I am sun the jacket. I got to kind of retire. I'm going into and got to get some new stuff as it's time to switch up. And Quince is the way to do it. Here they have exactly what you're looking for. Lighter layers, better fabrics and prices that won't make you cringe with horror Right now. We're not big shoppers. We don't go out no shop that much. We have conversations of we don't know what to dress like. Quint's helps. It's. That's it. Go to Quint's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

Headlights only go 50ft, and every 50ft looks just like the last 50ft.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. It is a scary ride. So this was just entering the horseshoe curve between Clifton and Morenci over here. So this fire chief found the driver slouched over in the front seat covered in blood. Oh, they're like, oh, shit, this is a bad accident. Maybe he hit his head on the steering wheel or whatever. So then a little closer inspection, because this is pitch black, obviously, get the old flashlight out, looking around, they find the side of the Tahoe is riddled with bullets.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, this person is maybe shot.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. They end up getting 14 total bullet holes out of this thing. So.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. Shot up. This thing is, man. So they were thinking. Then they figure out that he has been shot, the man in the car, which they say, oh, this makes more sense. He was shot at and shot and lost control and went off the side of the road. So, yeah, they said at that point, the fire chief realized the victim had three bullet holes in the side of his face.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, fuck.

[James Petregallo]

In his face. To quote Devin Shriver.

[Jimmy Wisman]

In his face. Not his face.

[James Petregallo]

Not his face. That's from the Colorado episode we did a few weeks back with the postal worker who killed her postal worker ex. That was wild. So immediately. And if you have ever lived in Arizona, what would your first thought be?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Somebody came across drug deals or just road rage or. Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, Arizona. There is more gunshots fired off on the fucking highways in that state. It's ridiculous, dude. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It has not deterred anybody from being aggressive because I get flipped off daily.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And by old women, by everyone.

[James Petregallo]

They don't care.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Everyone is quick with the finger.

[James Petregallo]

Every. Everybody is so fucking angry out there all the time. Like people say, like in the Northeast, people are angry. Not like that. They're not violently angry all the time. They're grumpy. But that's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They're mad.

[James Petregallo]

These people are looking for an excuse to buck shots off in Arizona. It's crazy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So with hard opinions on bumper stickers staring you in the face and then being aggressive on top of that.

[James Petregallo]

Fucking nuts, man. What the fuck? So, yeah, the first thing they look into is road rage. Because there's no surveillance cameras out here, there's no witnesses out here. It's fucking 5:00 in the morning in the middle of nowhere. So they're like, that would make a lot of sense. But they said, who the fuck. In a road rage, you shoot one or two shots off, not 14. 14 shots. That seems very much.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Three in the face.

[James Petregallo]

Three in the face. You're aiming high, targeted as fuck. You know what I mean? That seems like. I don't like that guy. He must have made the shittiest move ever on the road. Like, what?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. What?

[James Petregallo]

You couldn't change enough lanes with no directional to make me shoot you 14 times.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You got to be drifting. You've got to be. It's gotta be nuts.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Did he have a bumper sticker that says, I have your kidnapped children in the back of my truck? Like that's the only thing that would.

[Jimmy Wisman]

While he's drifting.

[James Petregallo]

While he's drifting. So they look inside the car, they find the person has a driver's license and it's Matt Misner. Misner. It's him.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, it's Matt.

[James Petregallo]

It's Matt in the truck.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Now no shell casings are found. Okay, so that probably came from inside of a vehicle, they're thinking. But they would later determine that he died from three gunshot wounds to the head from a 9 millimeter pistol. So someone's. Yeah, that's still a decent shot, though.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Damn fine shot to be moving in.

[James Petregallo]

Your car, driving and all that stuff. That's tough, man. So as they're cleaning up the scene, Nicole pulls up. Oh, she pulls up. She is on her way to work at the Morenci mine. She leaves about an hour after he does. They have to be there at different times. So she's on her way there, she sees the wreck, pulls up, gets out of the car, and then gets back in her car and drives away.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

So they're like, what, did the dead guy's fiance just show up and leave?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

What the fuck is up with that? So they thought that was really fucking interesting here. So they obviously called her up and said, you're gonna step out of work today. What the fuck, Nicole? We gotta have a chit chat with you here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She's a damn good employee.

[James Petregallo]

I'm showing up anyway, so. But when she got there, they told her, hey, why'd you leave the scene? And she goes, I don't know, it's just an accident. And they go, that was your fiance in there? And she didn't know. She didn't even know. She said, I didn't know that was him. I just saw a car. I had no idea it was him. It was dark out. I don't fucking know.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, she said she didn't even know. She told them that he left for work at 4am and that less than an hour later she drove out too. She said that she initially passed by the accident and got back in her car. She said she exited the car, she saw a black vehicle and approached where the deputies were. But she didn't want to get too close because it's an accident scene. She was like, I'm sure it's fine. So she just got back in her car. That was that. She said once she arrived at work she realized Matthew wasn't there and that's when she started to panic a little bit and she realized that everybody realized he wasn't there. And that's when she got a call to leave work and she left work and went to the scene and she said, I'm the fiance, that's my fiance there, I think. And then she said she didn't know he was shot. She just thought he got in a car accident though, because they told her he's been shot in the face and he was like. She was like, what the fuck are you talking about? In the face. So one of the cops said, I explained to her that this is not a traffic accident and this is a homicide investigation and her fiance's dead. The guy said that she didn't take it well. She began to cry and shake and go into a total shock mode here. So the cop said it was heartbreaking. The lady broke down, but they still said, we're going to have to take you down to the station and talk to you. Because a question, you're the closest one to him. And B, you did drive up and drive away, which does not look there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Is that there?

[James Petregallo]

Is that. So they're like we got to clear you. They did a swab on her hand for gunpowder residue, and no residue, no nothing. She seems like she's telling the truth and has no idea what's going on and just has bad luck. So she vehemently denied any involvement. And, you know, they said, well, do you know anyone who would want to hurt him if you didn't? And she said, yeah, his fucking ex. Yeah, Georgina would really like to hurt him. And then she tells him. Tells them the whole story. She had cancer, and then she's keeping him away from the kids. She slapped me. We got in a fight. You know, it's there. They have a custody hearing tomorrow. You know, all those things kind of come together tomorrow. The next day, she said that Nicole said Georgina hated that Matthew ended their marriage, because now Nicole saying that he ended the marriage to be with Nicole. Oh, yeah, he was miserable in that marriage and got with Nicole. Now, I don't know when the overlap or how much of an overlap at this point, it's not really a germane fucking matter right now. It doesn't matter. So they said that, you know, she said, but it could be jealousy. She could be mad. She's been mad at him for years, and it hasn't stopped. And now she's even madder, Adam, because they're fighting in court and he wants custody. So she also said. They said, anybody else, you know, just making a list here. We got to check people out. And she said, okay, I got something else. Oh, she said, there's a guy. He usually carpools to work every single day with a guy named Samuel Rivera, who abruptly just got out of. Said he wasn't carpooling that morning. Yeah, didn't go.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sam's not riding with him anymore.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, every other morning he's in the car, and now he's not. So they were like, well, that's a suspect then also. Certainly he's not there. But they find out that he was overseeing an emergency plumbing and maintenance job on one of his rental properties, and there was workers and people and tenants and everybody else that he was there the whole time. It wasn't him. He didn't do it. So then the cops go, all right, let's talk to Georgina here. Georgina claims that Matthew and Nicole are abusive to the children and that Nicole had threatened and beaten her on the occasion of their altercation. Even though we know that Georgina threw the first fucking punch.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

If you're terrified of someone, you don't slap them usually. That's not going to hurt them. But it Will piss them off. Yeah, a lot.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So she said, I did not feel safe with Nicole. I knew what I needed to do. I put in temporary sole custody. She tells the. The investigators in her interview. So now. So they look into her. They do find out that she was home at the time of the shooting. Oh, so like, okay, well, that's not helpful at all. They did find out about the full battle, you know, full blown custody battle and everybody's fighting and nobody likes each other and all that kind of shit. But she was home. So they're like, fuck, what are we doing here? She did tell investigators that he was a good father at times. And, you know, but she basically, you know, said currently it's all unhappy. She even said that I know it's Nicole that did it to him. My poor. My poor kids have lost their father. She said she had a text message from him reading something along the lines of, if something unexpected happens to me, it was Nicole. And the authorities find that on her phone too. She has that on her phone.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, shit.

[James Petregallo]

They corroborate that shit. So, yeah, Nicole's gonna throw him down the mine or something. So they said Nicole and Matthew had a volatile romance. And she. They talked to Nicole. She said, yeah, we did have a volatile romance, but he likes. He likes a lady with some spirit to her. I think he likes a spicy lady here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's the Southwest. We like everything serious.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, a little spicy. But she said it never got to the extent of them wanting to kill each other or anything like that. They were gonna get married on St. Patrick's Day. We're a month away from fucking marriage here. What are you talking about? So at this point, it's a stalemate. A couple people with motive, nobody with. With any sort of ability to do it, though. That's the problem. One was at home on her way to work. The other one was at home. What do we do here? Then a tip comes in.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Who from who?

[James Petregallo]

Sometimes it's just a fucking luck. And this is just a witness. Oh, random person, after seeing it on the news and everything, said, this is from the police officer. A man called and he had told me he was headed to work and he had actually followed Matthew for miles from Safford, just being. Going the same direction. And at one point he said he lost him. Matthew was traveling a little bit faster and the guy got behind, but he says he didn't see him, but he heard a pop in the distance. So he said he heard a pop and then he saw Matthew's vehicle on the side of the road and right in front of the vehicle on the side of the road was a white car. And he said, out of nowhere, this white sedan just made a U turn and went southbound on 191 and started going really fast the other way. That's it. So they said, basically that's. There's not a lot of cars on the road. So if it's not this guy who's coming forward, who did it? It's probably that white car, that other one. Yeah, it's probably that. So, yeah, they're like, okay, this is fucking interesting here. Guy fleeing the scene from at that point. Now, Nicole tells investigators that five days before the shooting, Matthew had gone to see his children and a man in a white sedan was taking pictures of his car. Oh, yeah, this is very fucking interesting. So Matthew was on the phone with Nicole at the time that this was happening. He was parked by Georgina's residence and he was trying to get the kids taking pictures of Matthew's car.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Matt's car. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And Matthew was on the phone with Nicole. And Matthew said that, you know, I was telling him, hey, this. Or he was telling me, hey, this guy just took a picture of our license plate. What the fuck is up with that? So Nicole says, why don't you take one of his plate, then see who the fuck this is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay?

[James Petregallo]

So he did, and he texted the picture of the plate to Nicole. So Nicole, with the cops now, pulls out her phone and goes through her shit and goes, here's the fucking plate. She still has the picture, which is pretty fucking amazing, honestly.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So some tit for tat worked out.

[James Petregallo]

For once, for once, all this bullshit picture taken.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Take a picture of me, I'll take a picture of you.

[James Petregallo]

Sure. You take that. What are you gonna do? So she said, I have a picture right here. And it was a vehicle. It's a white. They look it up and it's a registered. It's a white sedan.

[Jimmy Wisman]

How about that?

[James Petregallo]

So the vehicle belongs to is registered to two Tucson men, Eduardo Montano Jr. Who's born in September of 83. So he's about their age. And his grandfather, Samuel Sandoval, that's who this belongs to. Now they right away they find out that that's the owners of the car. So they go to talk to them. Eduardo has two warrants. He has two misdemeanor warrants. So they get to take him right to. He doesn't have the opportunity to say, I don't feel like talking right now. They arrest him.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You get to Talk right now.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, and I looked him up. I found a bunch of dumb shit that he did too. Failure to produce evidence of financial responsibility. No insurance. No insurance. Water turn on without authority. That's some desert shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Attaboy.

[James Petregallo]

That's some desert shit there he got.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You're gonna be here Thursday to turn it on. I got it.

[James Petregallo]

I'll just turn it on myself. Yeah, and that might have to do with irrigation and all that. The southwest and the desert water's a big fucking deal. Obviously you gotta have it. He got busted for this like six times. I found all sorts of records of him being busted. So that's the thing that he does.

[Jimmy Wisman]

All the time or he doesn't pay his water bill and just turns it right back on?

[James Petregallo]

Either one.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's just a valve.

[James Petregallo]

He's also busted for speeding going 30 miles an hour over. It was a photo enforcement one. Also driving without a license suspended or revoked. And animals with no vet care, basically, I guess neglect. Neglect of his animals. Yeah, is what that is. And that was in 2000. That was. That was one of the things they arrested him for. The warrant.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, because you can't do that in Arizona. You can't neglect animals. You're fucking monster.

[James Petregallo]

So he had a warrant out for that and something else. So that's what they took him in on. They talked to Eduardo and they said when they go to the house, in the driveway there's a white Cadillac with the dark tinted window. And it fit the description of what the witness said. White sedan, dark tinted window. So they waited for search warrants on the home and car. They take him down to the sheriff's office. They say, where were you last night? Yeah, tell me, where did you sleep last night? Tell me. He said, I went to my friend John's house. And they said, okay. He denies he was anywhere near the crime scene. They said, well, they know his vehicle was at Georgina's home the day Matthew took a photo of his license plate. So do you know Georgina? And he said, yes, I do. Oh, she's a friend of mine. I said, well, how well do you know her? And he said, we tried dating, but it didn't work out. Oh, apparently. He said they went out for like a month. Basically, it didn't quite work out. And they said, all right, well, you know, tell us about her. And he said, I've hung out with her and her kids a couple times. And they said, so who's Matt? And he said, her ex husband, the father of her children. And he said they're having Like a custody battle or something right now. So they said, you ever had any contact with him? And his answer is, what's his answer?

[Jimmy Wisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

Me.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Eddie.

[James Petregallo]

That is a terrible answer, Eduardo.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, you.

[James Petregallo]

Me.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No, the guy.

[James Petregallo]

Other people in the interrogate. No, the other detective. I'm asking, the fuck do you think we're in a fucking interrogation room? Me. He said, me? Never, never, never. So they said, well, we have a report of Matt saying that you were taking photographs of his vehicle. What up with that? And he says, well, I never talked to him. Me.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay, now we're gonna go. Now we're gonna go with semantics. In a police interview, he should have just went, me.

[James Petregallo]

So they press him again, well, where the fuck were you that night? Even though he's already said it. So they said, we. You know, because these are the people from down there. So they're like, we didn't drive three fucking hours to come here for nothing on a whim. You know how shitty that ride is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Although Tucson's a might better than Morency.

[James Petregallo]

It is a little bit, yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

It's still a long drive from out there, though, because these are the people from that county out coming to Tucson to talk to this guy. So he said, right. Well, they said, if we didn't know more than that. And he said, well, I know my grandfather mentioned there was an accident in Clifton or something and that I may have been involved. Oh, that I may have been involved in. And they said, well, how are you involved in it? And he said, I don't know. I wasn't in an accident. This is a really annoying conversation.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. Who me?

[James Petregallo]

Who me? This is the one where, like, you'd probably want to pistol whip this man just for frustrating you and you can't. And it's like, we're gonna fight.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's for sure.

[James Petregallo]

We know you did something. This is crazy. So they said because your car was up there that morning. It was up there because people saw it. And he said, quote, I swear to you, it wasn't.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Who, me?

[James Petregallo]

Wasn't. They said, you know, the guy's dead. You know what I'm saying? There's a dead person here. And he said, listen, I get that, you know, you're putting me in. And I get sounds. Looks bad for me, so I completely understand. He said, but listening. Listen to what I'm saying. I was not there. He said, I was hanging out with my friends, and then I went home to my grandfather's house. That's it? Yeah, that's that. He said I had nothing to fucking do with it. He denies everything. He said we dated briefly but not enough for me to go kill her ex husband. That's crazy. This is insane. What are you talking about? Basically, so they investigate him. They find out that he had been married to his high school sweetheart and left her for Georgina a few months earlier. He'd been married for 15 years or something and all that shit. Left her for Georgina and then it didn't work. I guess after a month or so. Allegedly, that's what they are saying. So then they go talk to his grandfather to check out his alibi. And this is Sandoval is his name. And the policeman says this quote, I asked Mr. Sandoval, was Edward here all night? He said no, as a matter of fact he wasn't here. He left at 10 o'clock at night, didn't come back till about 8 or 8:30 in the morning. Which by the way, if you were to shoot someone at 5 in Clifton, it would give you just enough time to drive back to Tucson by 8 or 8:30. It's about 3 hour 3 and change. Drive.

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[Jimmy Wisman]

So grandpa hates Eddie.

[James Petregallo]

Grandpa hates Eddie. That's. I mean, this is not helpful at all. And the cops said the time periods they all lined up, the shooting happens around 5 o'clock. That gives sufficient time to drive that vehicle from 5:00, three hours to get back to Tucson. Nailed it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

So they search his house now, Grandpa's house, really? And they find a 9 millimeter pistol. And the gun has 14 rounds missing from being totally full.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So it's got three left.

[James Petregallo]

Yep, 14 missing. So they're like, huh, that's interesting. We happened to find 14 bullet holes in something and maybe it wasn't all the way 14 shots, maybe it wasn't all the way full. We don't know to begin with, but it's kind of a coincidence that you could fit 14 more shots in that fucking gun. That's all very interesting.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So they also, they do forensics and they find out based on ballistics that this is the gun too.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

So they're pretty. Eduardo's pretty fucked here. So they tie the.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He's got to be shocked. They did this so fast.

[James Petregallo]

It's. Oh, it all happened really fast. By 2-12-12, he's under arrest. So, I mean, two days, within 48 hours.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They aren't kidding. That first 48 is mad important.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, it is. They got it. They nailed it with this one. He's arrested for murder, he's brought back to Greenlee county, and he's assigned a court appointed attorney and he's held on a million dollars bond. And they go on to say, the police go on to say, we're trying to establish the motive. And that's why we're looking at other leads. Like, this guy doesn't know this guy enough to just shoot him for no reason.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So he said looking at more opportunities.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yeah. He said investigators are heading back down to Tucson to continue the investigation. So this is still ongoing. Although we do have him under arrest. We still have to do the forensics part of it and still follow up on every lead that we have. Now, the day after the murder, while this is going on, police tracked down Georgina and they said her emotions were kind of all over the place when they talked to her. Yeah, they said that she was happy, she was sad, she was happy, she was crying, she was mad, she was just. There was not just like, I have.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Grief range of emotion.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it was real weird range of emotions that. I mean, and everybody reacts different to tragedy. But her demeanor, they said, seemed to be rehearsed. The cop said, it seemed like I'm going to be upset, then I'm going to pull it together. But then, oh, God, I'm so sad. But then I'm. I'm mad at whoever did this and just said it didn't seem natural.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That out of nowhere meltdown after you've been told something and you regain composure and then just fall apart again. That's the real magical.

[James Petregallo]

That's. Well, that's where the Oscar comes from. That's the thing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's the one that'll get you.

[James Petregallo]

That's where Meryl Streep makes her money. You know what I mean? That's where it all comes from.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That'll start the sequel being talked about.

[James Petregallo]

That's the one right there. And it's funny because if you've ever watched interrogations, interrogation videos where you know that the person is guilty.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And they tell them something and then watch their reaction and they don't like, you know, go, oh, it's okay. They just sit there silently and watch this person perform this like a Colorado. Like a. Like a. Exactly. Like a comedy crowd that's not having any of your shit and you say stuff and they sit at your stone face.

[Jimmy Wisman]

None of this.

[James Petregallo]

It's probably way more uncomfortable to be in the interrogation room with that happening then even on a stage. And we know that that's very uncomfortable.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So it's awful.

[James Petregallo]

It's awful. Doesn't get any worse than that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Except for this, you guys, I'm trying real hard.

[James Petregallo]

This. So they, they ask again about the relationship and she said she did not want Matthew to have the kids because she didn't like Nicole. She thought Nicole was a very abusive woman. And she also thought Matthew was a very abusive man as well. She Claimed, yes, I did date Eduardo for a month. Eduardo Montano. And they confided in each other about past abuse they had both suffered. That's kind of how they got together.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Bad backgrounds. But she said that Montano, when she heard about what. When he heard about the children and Matthew and that whole situation, he became concerned for the welfare of her children.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What a great guy.

[James Petregallo]

He's just a magnanimous. Fuck this guy already.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Stepdad.

[James Petregallo]

She talked about the physical altercation with Nicole. They were like, let's talk about that. What happened there? She said. Nicole said, fuck that bitch. Fuck you. I said, you don't need to call me a bitch. I have my house, and this is in front of my kids. And she said, I'm gonna fuck you up. So I slapped her across the face.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She tells the story like. Like a Not good.

[James Petregallo]

No. She grabs me and throws me to the ground and starts hitting me and hitting me. And then. And then she stopped. She said, I didn't feel safe with Nicole. I knew what I needed to do. I put in temporary sole custody. So they're like, okay, that's great. Back to Eduardo.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Fascinating story.

[James Petregallo]

Terrific. She said, eddie was around my kids. We dated maybe a month at the most. We told him what was going on, or I told him what was going on with, you know, everything like that. And I know that I talked to Eddie, and I was probably, you know, what was me. What was me like, everything I'm going through. And then he told me some stuff about his childhood. It was rough. I felt bad for the guy. Edward himself had experienced abuse. So Georgina said. He says. He just says that he's not. That he just doesn't want nobody to hurt them, that he was very concerned about her kids because he was abused, and he doesn't want that to happen to these kids. So then they said, were you involved in Matthew's murder at all? And she says, quote, I don't want to say anything else. Okay, okay.

[Jimmy Wisman]

About that guy that likes my kids.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, man. So they look into her. They're investigating Georgina. They find out she never had cancer. What? She never had cancer, you bitch. She faked fucking cancer. She did that Scamander shit or whatever the fuck.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

She faked. You're a monster. Anyone who fakes fucking monster. You have to be. You're a terrible person. Terrible.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Faking cancer.

[James Petregallo]

Those are. The only people I wish would get cancer, are people who fake cancer because they deserve it at that point.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They wanted it.

[James Petregallo]

They were begging for it, literally asking for it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And I hope they get everything they ask for.

[James Petregallo]

She was downloading photographs off the Internet and sending them to Matthew to get sympathy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She downloaded pictures that weren't of actual cancer patients.

[James Petregallo]

What a bitch. That's why she wasn't letting Matthew see the kids either, because she couldn't show that she had her hair and all that shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

So she got photos, the cop said. She got photos and said, hey, look, Matthew, I'm dying. I have cancer. Then the cop said, we actually found the same picture that Georgina sent to Matthew on the Internet. She found the picture on the Internet and sent it to him.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Holy shit. Then they get access to her phone records because she deleted all of her text messages on her phone and all that kind of shit, right? Georgina did, but they found them in her phone records because you can look that shit up. And the cop said, we found information during search warrants and our investigation that in their communications that she gave Mr. Montano information in order for him to go out and commit the murder. Yes. This is fucking crazy. They found also that based on the data that Eduardo was in the area of Matthew's residence that morning. At 4am, the morning of the murder, it appeared through text messages that he'd been stalking Matthew. He was following him at his house. And at one point, there's a text where Eduardo had asked Georgina for Nicole's address. And Nicole. And Georgina not only gives the address, but describes what Nicole drives and all that kind of shit. Here's the exact text messages. One is a few days before the murder, from him to her, from Eduardo to Georgina. Been outside Matt's all night and haven't seen him. Okay, that's a text message sent there. Then one text message she sent to him said, you're in my thoughts always. I love you and we love you.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, the kids, too?

[James Petregallo]

The kids, too. So it didn't sound like they broke up after a month, does it?

[Jimmy Wisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

Now, the day before the custody Hearing on the 10th, Eduardo apparently texted her, quote, hey, I don't want to do this. This is while he was outside of Matthew's house, right? Hey, I don't want to do this. She responds back, this is fucking. She's a whack job. Quote, if you want to marry me, you need to show me what kind of a man you are. Kill my ex. Kill my ex, but kill my ex husband. Show me you got balls. Wow.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I was thinking she was going to say something like, I'll give you a blowjob.

[James Petregallo]

Nope.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Or something. No. Way colder.

[James Petregallo]

Way colder.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't marry pussies. You better get to work.

[James Petregallo]

I marry closers. This pussy's for closers.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Clock in.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. Abs. Always be shooting.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

So February 25, 2020, she is arrested.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Now there's a big memorial put on the highway. If, you know, Arizona. If you drive out there, there's a lot of crosses on the side of the road because people drive fast and poorly, and it's just the way it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Is, fast and loose with the vehicle safety, man.

[James Petregallo]

So a lot of them are plain. Sometimes there's writing, sometimes a little flowers on them or something like that. Little crosses, shit like that. This. There's an elaborate memorial here. Yeah. Placed on the side of the highway on February 12th. And it was a statue of an angel with big wings.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

It was a marble white statue about three feet high. That shit's real. Attached to it are all sorts of balloons and things. I love you to, you know, like Valentine's Day messages. Because it was two days before that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

It's a lot. They said there's a lot of people stopping at the memorial site, and this isn't the safest area for people to be stopping on the side of the highway and doing all this type of shit. So. Yeah, they said at one point, you know, there was, like, a bunch of high school kids, like, just looking at the ditch where the car was, just, like, staring at it, trying to figure it out. It's either that or stand in the grocery store parking lot. So.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, got him out. Got him out of the parking lot.

[James Petregallo]

For a little bit. Want to go see where that guy crashed? That's something to do for an hour or two.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Better than this place. Let's go.

[James Petregallo]

No shit. Then the memorial was. After a week, it's removed.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. Because it's a distraction.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. They don't know if the family removed it or the highway department removed it, and they can't tell. There's a big article about it, but I don't know. I don't know what happened. All that's there now are two vertical orange stripes painted by the police on the cliff bottom where the vehicle came to arrest because it went off the side of the road down into the gravel. So September 2020, Eduardo is in court, and because he had to wait for that, because of the. Because of COVID he is going to plead guilty to second degree murder and conspiracy to commit aggravated assault. He's got it. They got it. They got him dead to rights. They got all the witness. They got the gun matching. They got Text messages. They got GPS of where he was. I mean, you can't be more guilty than this. It's impossible.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Got text messages. And the gun matches. Yeah, in your house.

[James Petregallo]

You're in trouble. You're fucked. So he admitted to conspiring with Georgina during his trial. Now he'll do this. Hold on to that for a minute. To injure Matthew so he would miss attending a court hearing. That was the point of this, apparently. He said that he ambushed Matthew, fired multiple shots from a 9 millimeter Ruger, which killed him. Now Georgina just completely maintaining her innocence. I don't know anything about it. If he did it, he did it on his own type of shit. That's what he says. Now during sentencing, Matthew's mother, sister, brother, and Nicole all speak as well. As a co worker of his, the guy who carpools with him, Samuel Rivera, who was a pretty good suspect for about three hours there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, thanks a lot, asshole.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. And Rivera said, quote, I'm lucky to be here. Meaning you could have shot me too.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You bet.

[James Petregallo]

You hurt this whole family and took a good friend away. I hope you never come out. You took away from us all. You took away from all of us. Someone who we really cared about. His sister said, this is not that guy's sister. Matthew's sister says that her brother would have given him the. Given you the shirt off his back to help a person in need. And that Eduardo, you're a fucking idiot who was duped into getting involved in a custodial situation between him and his ex wife and said, you took away someone who meant much to all of us. You took his life away from all of us. His mom, Matthew's mother says, I despise this guy, meaning Eduardo, and I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail and never has an opportunity to see daylight. You don't know what you did to us, to your own family, to those children, my grandchildren, who don't have a father now. We're still in a state of shock. I cry every day. His brother came up and said, now that I have to be that rock for myself and the rest of my family when it used to be Matthew. I hope he feels every bit of emotion, including the love and anger his entire years he spends in that cell. And it consumes him from the inside. And I hope he does not make it out.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my.

[James Petregallo]

And that Nicole got on and said she would make sure the children know who their father is and that she hopes that they hate their mother for causing this. She said, quote, I pray that they will hate her. That's hilarious.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's hard.

[James Petregallo]

That's hardcore Nicole. That's a mind broad right there. She's not fucking around. That's how it is in the mines. Either you're in or you're out.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Hope you get cancer and your kids hate you.

[James Petregallo]

That's right. Hope you really get cancer. So the judge says, you sir, may fuck off. 25 years for murder. 8 years and 9 months for conspiracy to be served consecutively. 33 years and he gets 33 years, 9 months. Now according to this, he's going to serve that and he's also ordered to pay restitution of $1,919 for funeral expenses and may have to pay more restitution at a later date. Okay, January 2021. Georgina pleads too, because now she has to. Yeah, they got. Otherwise it's first degree murder and you're in a lot more trouble. So during the sentencing here began with her court appointed attorney addressing the court, Georgina's. She spoke for about a half hour and spoke of mitigating circumstances that led to these troubles, including mental health issues, a horrible childhood. She said that she had mental instability as a factor in her client's life. She said that's just how she is. She suggested, listen, you can't. Don't put her in prison. Yeah, she suggested some type of probation.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Huh, what's that now in which she would receive counseling.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She just needs some therapy and some time to think about it.

[James Petregallo]

She needs a kick in her ass is what she needs. Fuck therapy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She said threat of daily rape and shanks.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. And she said her client was already undergoing counseling and she pointed out that mental health facilities in the Arizona state prison system are greatly lacking. Now Geor. I've heard that too. Now Georgina, they said her voice is. She's sobbing and crying. During the 15 minutes she spoke, she denied being a part of any conspiracy to murder her ex husband, even though she's pleading guilty. She said she was not aware that Eduardo was planning to kill Matthew. Sheep wept. Wept. I'm kidding. I don't know why. I know it was wept, but anyway, heavily as she spoke and created a what the newspaper described as a quote, small mound of tear soaked tissues on the desktop in front of her. Victim impact, though, they get to talk. Matthew's dad said what he was to us is impossible to describe. He said now he's gone and I'll never be able to hug him again. He talked about how he attended his son's high school football games and Wrestling matches, and they were real close. A sister of Matthew said that Georgina's actions and that the love and devotion to her children was behind it. That's what she said. She goes, I know that's what it is, but it doesn't matter. She said, this is not how. Because that's. She's being nice to Georgina. Just, I know it was your kids that did this, but some people didn't. Weren't that nice. They kept calling her manipulative. One member of the family said, she was very much a part of the family. We accepted her. Some of the family members said she cared only about herself and didn't give a shit about her kids. One said, it was all about her. She didn't really care about the kids. It was all about what she wanted, man. So the Greenlee County Attorney General, Jeremy Ford, presents a lot of evidence, sharply contradicting, as they say in this article, the claim of not being involved in the murder. If you want to marry me, show me what kind of man you are. After. He says, I don't want to do this.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't want to do it. Please don't make me do this.

[James Petregallo]

Talk the guy into it. Holy shit. The. Also the county attorney called her a danger to society. Now, here's the thing that's fucked up during this, there is a letter the court receives from Eduardo Montano saying that he acted alone in the murder and she had nothing to do with it. Somehow she got to him and got him to say, well, he still did it. He wrote a letter to the court, and the judge was like, no, no, no, that's silly. We know better than that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He's serving north of 30 years and still a sucker. I'd be like, I'll do you a solid.

[James Petregallo]

Still a sucker. Yep. So, yeah, the judge was pretty adamant here. The judge said that. Called her manipulative. Said, reviewing the notes, the word manipulative stood out several times with. You said that much of what was presented by the defense as mitigating circumstances doesn't carry any weight in this courtroom. And the judge agreed with the prosecutor's earlier comment and told Georgina, you are a danger to society, and then said, you, ma'am, may fuck off. 25 years for murder. 8 years, 9 months for conspiracy. Consecutive 33 years and 9 months. Just like Eduardo.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Same shit. Yep.

[James Petregallo]

Get fucked, lady. That's what he said. Yeah. Or she said, the judge. So there you go. According to the plea agreement. Yeah. She plays. She does that 25 years. Okay, so it's pretty much the same Deal. Now, There was a GoFundMe for Matt. We've seen some GoFundMes. Remember there was one a couple weeks ago that had a pitiful amount of money. We were sad. This is a $15,000 goal and they raised $7,076 of it, which isn't bad. That's not bad. And, yeah, they talk about his kids.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Obviously, that's still fucked.

[James Petregallo]

They talk about this when they put this up in 2020. His kids were 5, 4, and 2.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[James Petregallo]

That is brutal. I'm not going to give their names out. They're still minors. But that's, you know, that's. That's crazy. So, yeah, they just talk about how, you know, we try hard as we try to find the answers to this senseless murder. We ask that friends, family, or anyone who knew Matt please help with what they can. That is because it's short. They said to help the family pay for all the arrangements in such short notice. Now, Georgina is in prison here, and I have her things that she's done here. She did high school when she first got there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Figured it out.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, figured that out. SA Recovery Wellness, C2, CHG, self control. That's a course that she took, apparently. New beginnings through peers. She did a substance abuse thing that. Did some water labor, whatever the fuck that is. Either way, she is in Perryville. Not a nice place.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yeah, she's in Perryville. I do. Yeah, she's in Perryville in the Santa Cruz unit. She has. Let's see. She's only 51 2. She's 5 1. Yeah, she's 5 1. Just like Sarah. She. Her prison release date. Projected eligible Release date is June 3, 2052.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She's got a minute.

[James Petregallo]

Got a few minutes in there. Now, Eduardo, on the other hand, he has a exact same release date. I think it's a couple. It's like two weeks earlier. It's May 20, 2052. Because she got arrested two weeks earlier than her. That's all it is. And he's in Red Rock. Red Rock in Eloy. Oh.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, that's not good.

[James Petregallo]

No, that is out there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, that's so hot.

[James Petregallo]

Wow, that's miserable. Holy shit. He's there. He's in medium moderate custody class. I see. And he had a couple of infractions in jail.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What'd he do?

[James Petregallo]

Possession or manufacture of an intoxicating substance.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Dude, he's making pruno.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. And then a few months later, positive test or refusal of urinalysis. What did it do, I wonder? Doing whatever he can in there. His jobs have been as a maintenance helper and then at the Apostle Apostolic. Apostate. How do you say that?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Apostatology.

[James Petregallo]

Apostolic. Apostolic. There you go. Apostolic Chapel. Chapel. Which religious shit he's doing. Basically, he's gonna refill the fucking wafers. So there you go, everybody. There is this, by the way, very quickly there's another Matt Misner. Same exact spelling of the name, everything like that. Who was murdered in Tempe in 2020, in July.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Don't name your. If your last name is Meisner, don't.

[James Petregallo]

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