Bigfoot Murder Conspiracy - Allen, Oklahoma

Summary

Podcast Summary: Small Town Murder – Episode 600: "Bigfoot Murder Conspiracy - Allen, Oklahoma"

Release Date: May 30, 2025
Hosts: James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman

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Introduction

In the landmark 600th episode of Small Town Murder, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmie Whisman delve into the peculiar and tragic case of a supposed Bigfoot-inspired murder in the rural town of Allen, Oklahoma. Balancing in-depth research with their signature comedic flair, James and Jimmy explore the intricacies of small-town life, the enigmatic disappearance of a local, and the bizarre conspiracy theories that emerged surrounding the incident.

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Background on Allen, Oklahoma

[03:00 – 05:00]

Allen, a diminutive town nestled in central Oklahoma, is characterized by its tight-knit community and rural tranquility. Founded in 1883 by settlers led by Dr. John Trigg Gilmore, a Confederate army doctor, the town experienced a brief oil boom in the early 1900s but has since maintained a modest population of fewer than a thousand residents.

• Demographics & Economy:
  • Population: 969
  • Median Household Income: $69,000 (significantly higher than the national average)
  • Median Home Cost: Approximately $133,800
  • Primary Industries: Oil, ranching, and agriculture

[04:07 – 05:10]
James humorously remarks on the town's economic dynamics, quipping, “People pay more than [the median home cost] for pickup trucks now. I think a Dodge Ram is more than that,” highlighting the locals' affinity for big vehicles over real estate.

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Main Story: The Bigfoot Murder Conspiracy

A. Key Individuals

1. Jimmy Glenn Sanders

   • Age: Born April 15, 1970
   • Occupation: Owner of a frame and body shop in Ada, Oklahoma
   • Personality: Described as a tough, outdoorsy individual who enjoys fishing, hunting, and bonfire gatherings.

2. Larry Doyle Sanders

   • Age: Born June 1969
   • Background: Childhood friend of Jimmy, later married to Jimmy’s daughter, forming a close-knit familial bond.
   • Issues: Long-term methamphetamine addiction leading to erratic behavior and delusional beliefs.

B. Events Leading Up to the Murder

[22:00 – 24:00]

Jimmy decides to hire his meth-addicted friend Larry to work at his body shop starting July 11, 2022. Prior to Larry's official start date, the duo plans a weekend fishing trip known locally as "noodling"—a method where participants fish with their bare hands, often involving encounters with large catfish.

[23:30 – 25:00]
James and Jimmy humorously explain noodling, with James comparing it to, “Imagine examining a prostate, but from another room, like through a glory hole.”

C. The Murder Event

[27:00 – 45:00]

During the noodling trip near the South Canadian River, Larry exhibits increasingly erratic behavior, influenced by his meth use. Witnesses recount Larry’s paranoia and delusions involving Bigfoot conspiracies.

1. Initial Signs of Disturbance:

   • Rochelle Spray's Observation [29:00]: Larry appears under the influence, acting erratically, leading store employees to express concern.

2. The Encounter:

   • [40:00 – 44:30]
     Larry reports seeing a 12-foot-tall Sasquatch and suspects a conspiracy involving Jimmy summoning Bigfoot to sacrifice him. This belief drives him to confront and ultimately kill Jimmy in what he perceives as self-defense against an impending Bigfoot threat.

3. The Fight:

   • [47:00 – 50:00]
     A prolonged physical altercation ensues, with Larry choking Jimmy repeatedly until death, all while under the influence and believing Bigfoot is observing the event.

D. Post-Murder Developments

[50:00 – 70:00]

1. Confession & Investigation:

   • Larry confesses to killing Jimmy, attributing his actions to Bigfoot-induced paranoia.
   • Police reports and witness statements confirm Larry's admission, though they note his impaired state during the incident.

2. Legal Proceedings:

   • Trial [64:00 – 67:00]:
     Larry's defense hinges on an insanity plea, arguing that his long-term meth use caused severe psychosis. The prosecution counters by emphasizing Larry's role as the aggressor and the consistency of his confession.

   • Verdict & Sentencing [70:00 – 73:00]:
     Larry is found guilty of murder. During sentencing, he maintains his delusional stance, blaming higher powers and Bigfoot for his actions. The judge opts for a life sentence without parole, acknowledging the severity of the crime but declining the death penalty.

3. Public Reaction & Aftermath:

   • The local community grapples with the bizarre nature of the case, intertwining tragic loss with outlandish conspiracy theories.
   • [73:00 – 74:26]
     James and Jimmy conclude the episode by reflecting on the absurdity of the situation, urging listeners to be wary of meth use and its devastating effects.

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Discussion & Insights

Throughout the episode, James and Jimmy intersperse their narrative with humor and sardonic commentary, juxtaposing the dark subject matter with levity. They highlight the challenges of small-town dynamics, the stigmas surrounding addiction, and the fine line between belief and delusion.

Notable Quotes:

• James [00:28]: “All aboard the Murder Train pulling away from the station.”
• Jimmy [00:20]: “Choo choo.”
• James [49:46]: “Don't do meth, guys. I know it's cliche by now.”
• Jimmy [25:16]: “It's fucking crazy if you've never seen it.”
• James [55:42]: “Bigfoot is what he just said. We are not promoting killing Bigfoot. We're promoting hunting Bigfoot.”
• Jimmy [72:20]: “That's so wild. That's his defense. Nobody made you do meth, man.”

Humorous Elements:

• The hosts' playful banter about noodling and Bigfoot adds a comedic layer to the grim narrative.
• James likens Larry’s delusions to absurd scenarios, such as, “Imagine you are the cops sitting there listening to this.”

Serious Undertones:

• The episode underscores the harsh realities of addiction and mental health, presenting a case where substance abuse leads to tragic outcomes.
• The legal complexities of insanity defenses are explored, highlighting the difficulties in prosecuting cases involving severe psychosis.

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Conclusion

In this milestone episode, Small Town Murder masterfully blends comedy with true crime, presenting a unique and engaging exploration of a bizarre murder case in Allen, Oklahoma. Through thorough research and candid discussions, James and Jimmy shed light on the human aspects behind the headlines, reminding listeners of the profound impacts of addiction and mental illness within small communities.

For more insights and behind-the-scenes content, listeners are encouraged to visit shutupandgivemerder.com and support the show through their Patreon at patreon.com/crimeinsports.

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Disclaimer: The events described in this episode are based on the provided transcript and are presented for illustrative purposes within the context of the podcast's narrative.

Transcript

[A]

Hello everybody and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yeah.

[B]

Choo choo.

[A]

Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petregallo. I'm here with my co host.

[B]

I am Jimmy Wisman.

[A]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today. All aboard the Murder Train pulling away from the station. We got some wild stuff. I mean really some mystically mystical figures. Wild stuff today. This is episode 600 today. So it's kind of a special celebration. 600. That's a big.

[B]

Yeah, it's a big deal. That's a lot.

[A]

So we've made it to 600. So what we're doing is this story we did for a virtual live show. Usually we wait about six months to put those out. But we, but it's 600. So we're like, let's do it. A special treat. It's a wild episode. So let's have some fun and give the people a great 600th year.

[B]

Give you what you want.

[A]

Let's do this. It's so much fun. First of all, head over to shutupandgivemerder.com get your merchandise, get your tickets for live shows in the fall, coming September, I think they start, there's like a few tickets left in some places. And then, you know, I think Portland sold out, right? I want to say Grand Rapids is sold out. And it's amazing. Yeah. Thank you so much for everything.

[B]

Show up like our parents never did.

[A]

That's exactly right. And we appreciate it. We're not staring through the fence holding our baseball glove with you guys. Cause you show up and we really, we can't tell you how much that means to us when other times it hasn't been like that in our life. So it's just an off air conversation that you had to be pretty.

[B]

We just did two hours with each other.

[A]

We just did a therapy session.

[B]

Nobody showed up.

[A]

It's hilarious. So anyway, do that. Get your tickets like Seattle, Philly, dc. Get those. Yeah, we can't wait. Irvine, there's some tickets left there.

[B]

Hurry up though. That one's a big, big, deep, cavernous comedy club. It's going to be awesome.

[A]

We can't wait for that. So get your asses in there. That is. Shut up and give me murder.com. you also definitely, definitely want to get patreon. Patreon.com crimeinsports is where you get all the bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above, you're going to get a giant back catalog of hundreds and hundreds of episodes. You've never heard Before. And they're all like an hour long, too. So there's a lot of stuff.

[B]

Every inch.

[A]

You can. All of it. You can binge on all of that. We won't leave you sitting at the fence holding your baseball Glo so you can get all of that. And you get new ones every other week, including this week. This week we're gonna do.

[B]

Oh, you get soccer riots.

[A]

Yes, Crime and sports soccer riots. And then small town murder. The Joseph Duncan III's prison blog.

[B]

Joey Duncan got some words.

[A]

Oh, my God. He's got some philosophies about how I won't even give it away. It's insane. We're gonna. We are gonna mock him unmercifully because he's a huge jackass. So we can't wait to do that. Patreon.com crimeinsports and you get a shout out at the end of the regular show, too. Jimmy will mispronounce your name. Don't you worry about that.

[B]

I'm doing my best.

[A]

So that said, here we go. I think it's time everybody to sit back. What do you say here? Let's all clear the lungs. Arms to the sky. Let's all shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this. Everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? We're going to Oklahoma this week. Normally, I think we did Enid like three ago. So normally we'd wait a little bit longer. But like I said, special treat today because this story is so weird and so crazy that it just needed to be told. For episode 600, we're going to Allen, Oklahoma. Allen, Allen, which is in central Oklahoma. It's about an hour and 45 minutes to Oklahoma City. So there's not a lot. It's out there. It's. This is a real rural area.

[B]

It is fascinating how you just get right outside okc. It is nothing.

[A]

You hit the city limits and it is just interstates and car fires. That's all that you see for as far as the eye can see.

[B]

I need water. I'm gonna die out here.

[A]

Yeah, it's crazy. Two and a half hours to Dallas and about three hours to Enid, Oklahoma. The last one we did the sexy Sunday school teacher slaughter, which was a really weird episode. This is in Hughes county and a little bit in Pontotoc County, I believe it's so Pontotoc county, you kind of. I don't understand. It's only a 0.94 square mile town. It's less than a mile, but somehow they couldn't Keep it all in one county. I don't understand how that works. Population here, 969. Very small. I mean, it's less than a thousand. Median household income here. Income here normally about 69,000. In the rest of the country, 36,333. Awfully low. And then median home cost, again, way under the national average. About a third or a little more than a third. $133,800.

[B]

Yeah, that is just a heav kite.

[A]

Yeah, that's. Man. People pay more than that for pickup trucks now. I think a Dodge Ram is more than that.

[B]

Every mic makes one that is very expensive.

[A]

I feel like a Dodge Ram is easier to keep down in a tornado, too, than $130,000 house. That's probably going to the twister.

[B]

It stuck around longer.

[A]

Stuck around longer.

[B]

It didn't get tossed?

[A]

No. All the boards came right off the side of the house. That thing was disintegrating.

[B]

The machine came out of the bed, but the truck stayed put.

[A]

Stayed put. That's what I'm saying. That's the point. You get yourself a big, heavy pickup. TR Never mind this trailer. Never mind this trailer. Bullshit. The motto here. Yee Haw.

[B]

Yee Wah.

[A]

History of this town. Founded in 1883, a group of settlers that arrived in the Choctaw Nation Indian Territory from Texas, led by a Confederate army doctor, Dr. John Trigg Gilmore. So they settled in Cold Springs, which is northwest of where Allen is presently. And other people started coming. They built a log cabin in 1883 that was built as a school and a church.

[B]

Great.

[A]

So no separation there. All in one. The town was named after the son of Deputy U.S. marshal William McCall. Assume his name is Alan McCall. That's all I can do.

[B]

Has to be.

[A]

Has to be. It is. The. Where Allen stands now was the site of the Battle of Middle Boggy, which is a Civil War battle.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Which is. You don't think about Civil War battles happening in Oklahoma, but there was. Or Boggs or Bog. You don't think of bogs in Oklahoma. It's pretty dry. But, yeah, there was Civil War battles all the way west. I mean, they had them all over the country. It's crazy. So in 1892, Dr. Gilmore became the first postmaster and founded the town's first Masonic lodge.

[B]

Attaboy.

[A]

So there's hardly anybody here. Let's keep some of the people out right away.

[B]

Let's make something that's exclusive.

[A]

Let's do that. Because there's like eight people here and we can't have Them all at the same time thing. It became a boom town in the early 1900s. In 1913, an oil well was drilled west of town. Became a big boom town. So there was that. Population shot up and then dropped back down again. And mainly it's just oil and ranching and agriculture in this spot. Also there was a bank robbery here. That's pretty famous from 1928 as well. Now reviews of this town. Let's find out what people think. We've never been to Allen, Oklahoma. I'll be honest here. Five stars here. Okay, fantastic. Allen is a small town in Oklahoma. Well, we know that. It's on the show. That is not very big. It's a small town that isn't very big.

[B]

It's one of those big towns. Yeah, huge.

[A]

I'm a tall guy who's not very short and had the same population for quite some time now. The main part of the town is the school which connects everyone. The main part, unless you're over 18 and I don't know, you shouldn't be connected to the school at all. At that point.

[B]

Be gone.

[A]

You should be away from that school far.

[B]

It is fascinating. Small towns. Those people love their high school reunions.

[A]

Oklahoma. Texas high school football in Texas is the biggest thing they have. I mean that's huge.

[B]

Their reunion in their 60s. They're still going.

[A]

They're still going.

[B]

Hell, man.

[A]

I don't get it. I have. I won't. I haven't gotten any of them.

[B]

I couldn't give a shit.

[A]

That is interesting. I've seen many people there that are not from around the Allen area and go to the school because it's on the way to their parents work.

[B]

That's helpful.

[A]

So we just enroll them there so I can drop them off on the way. That's interesting. So without the school, the town would be much different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I would think so. Dumber. And other kids would be real bored.

[B]

It's a good thing.

[A]

Not a lot of places convenient for everyone with this. I think that Allen's a very family friendly place and would be. Would be good for living in.

[B]

Would be.

[A]

Would be. It is mainly a country school. So expect people who like country music.

[B]

Is that what they said?

[A]

Last line of the thing. It's mainly a country school. So I would expect that in Allen, Oklahoma, no matter what. I'd expect country to be playing if I go in a bar or something. Here's another five stars. Allen is small and pretty boring. Five stars, by the way. Boring. Everyone knows everyone. This is a good thing. And Also a bad thing. They always say that in these reviews. I mean, that could be good. And also bad. There's not much to do but watch grass grow. And that's pretty fun. So I love Alan and love living here, even though all I do is stare at my lawn. And then finally, three stars for a small town. Most of the people that currently live here enjoy what they do for a living because it is peaceful and you don't waste gas driving 30 miles. Don't waste gas. That's how I look at it. Hey, I don't have to waste gas.

[B]

Big city, just wasting all the gas.

[A]

People going places because there's stuff to do. I won't have it. Things to do here. The Pickle Fest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, boy. Get ready for pickle themed shopping. It says here, got to do that. The Pickle Fest Shop hopped Will take you to an Okie trading post. Sister Act 3.

[B]

Fantastic.

[A]

I think Whoopi dropped out of that one. I don't think she was in that one.

[B]

She was tired by that.

[A]

I'm not doing that. I'm only contracted for two. Yeah.

[B]

And the chubby lady got.

[A]

She became really big. Yeah, she got real big.

[B]

She's too busy with king of the hill money.

[A]

Yeah. Pickle Fest commemorates the old Calvin Pickle Company, which brined locally grown cucumbers and shipped them all over the country in the 60s and 70s. So that's what you're doing. There's the poster. See it? There it is. Homegrown pickles. There's really not a lot going on.

[B]

Love a good pickle.

[A]

I love pickles. I love.

[B]

The juice. Is so good.

[A]

I love a pickle, man. Love it like a garlic, a dill.

[B]

Here's embarrassment. I will drink the juice before I eat all the pickles. And then I just have to throw them out.

[A]

It's so good. I love pickles. Oh, you can't do that. You can't do that. You got to save the juice.

[B]

I wish. I just wish.

[A]

Need to buy two pickle things. Throw the pickles out of the first one. Save the juice. Use that. Use the pickles out of the other. I think I just solved your problem.

[B]

Sold just the pickle juice.

[A]

There is a pickle eating contest.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Are you this year's pickle king or queen?

[B]

Can you relax your throat? Jam them down.

[A]

Just stuff them like those hot dogs. Like the Japanese guys. Fight for your title with the most pickles eaten. Okay, there's that. And there's also Ada Fest.

[B]

What is it? Oh, Ada. Oklahoma.

[A]

Yeah. Just come There. And so they have music in the park. They have all sorts of stuff. Some of the bands here, RC and the Ambers, Kylie Nicks and the 38s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Milk Bone, by the way. Some of these people are playing half hour, 45 minute sets, like back to back to back.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

Pumping them out. The Billy K Band. Vlad's fault.

[B]

Vlad's fault.

[A]

Vlad's fault. He did it all. Crazy heart, which is like heart.

[B]

But they're nuts.

[A]

They're from the mental institution. They get brought in with straight jackets on. They take them off just to play and they wrap them back up again. Take them in there.

[B]

They get wheeled in like.

[A]

Yeah, it's what they do. They put them up on the stadium. Okay, go. And they hand him a guitar. They're still strapped to the gurney, but their hands have movement so they can play guitars and drums and shit. I want to see that John Crocker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What? That is Sunny Ukulele. She plays the ukulele. Richard Middlestadt, which, I mean, he comes out of the womb with a cowboy hat on. Right. It just sounds like Jim Nothing. Perfect. That was also the alternate name of the show. We almost called it Jim Nothing and we decided to go.

[B]

Jim Dandy's cousin.

[A]

That's that. Then a couple others. Billy Irwin and the Gambits. Bill Irwin was a wrestler back in the day? No, he's dead. I think so. He died of cancer back in the day. And also bottom of the barrel. Be there. Which is probably appropriate. That said, let's talk about a. Interesting stuff. Let's talk about a guy first. Jimmy Glenn Knighton.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

K, N, I Knight, like in shining armor. En. Okay. Jimmy, by the way, is his full name, but it's not ie. It's Jimmy with a Y. Yeah, they put Y on birth certificate. That's Jimmy Glenn.

[B]

How about it?

[A]

Old Jimmy Glenn, born April 15, 1970.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To his parents, Della and Glenn Knighton. So middle name after his hillbillies love.

[B]

To do that with like. With the. Just take the shortened name and just make them that.

[A]

Billy.

[B]

That's somebody's real name.

[A]

Yeah, Billy.

[B]

My uncle's name was Ricky. That's real name.

[A]

See it all the time.

[B]

Ricky.

[A]

We see it all the time on this show. It's never failed.

[B]

What the fuck?

[A]

He's from Ada, Oklahoma. As everybody here is kind of from Ada. And things happen in Allen here. He graduated from Allen High School and went on after a while to own his own body shop, car place, a frame and body shop for 15 years.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

So I mean he kind of.

[B]

That's hard work.

[A]

It is. He makes his own way here, though. He's a tough guy. He's a big outdoorsman. A lot of people in the area are. Loves to fish and hunt and four wheelers. And according to one of his friends, most of all, he likes to drink his beer around a big bonfire.

[B]

You bet.

[A]

Yeah. Who doesn't like to ride four wheelers and drink beer with a fire? Go. That sounds fun. Yeah. Fun shit.

[B]

Gradually get more fucked up while you watch things burn.

[A]

Terrific. It's a stress reward. You get to throw more shit on the fire. Yeah. Do it all the time. He's real friendly and kind of a gregarious guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of that kind of cat. Here he meets his wife, Stacy.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And they're going to have some kids and everything else. It's real life. Not bad. Yeah. They have a son and a daughter or two daughters and a son. Two daughters, two sons. Oh, my.

[B]

He's got four kids.

[A]

Yes. Creston. Kimberly. Aaron. Hey. But that's the boy. A, I, R, Y, N. Nope.

[B]

That ain't it.

[A]

Aaron. I guess. Aaron. Aaron. Aaron.

[B]

Jordan. Fam.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know what that's.

[B]

Gotta get air in there.

[A]

You gotta get air in there somewhere. And Braden. So everybody's got an. Kimberly doesn't. Otherwise it's all ins. So now they're married for 20 years, have four kids, end up getting a divorce. But not a contentious divorce. It's a type of divorce. It's like, well, we can't really be together, but we should get along well.

[B]

Pumped out, four kids. We know there's probably some stress in here.

[A]

We can raise our kids together and they get along. So that says something for somebody's general demeanor and kind of how they are. If they can get along with their ex, that's a good positive sign that.

[B]

Both of them are doing it.

[A]

Pretty mentally healthy at that point. You know what I mean? You can realize I can get over my own shit for the kids. So that's good. He had a couple of minor little scuffles with the law, but nothing much. It's like transporting an open container beer. That's a charge that he got transporting it. Yeah. He had a can of beer while he was driving, which is pretty common in this area. I have a feeling.

[B]

Since it's your first one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We won't ticket you for the dui.

[A]

Just having the container. Yeah. That's transporting it. That's a fascinating transport. He was carrying, like. I pictured it, like, on a flatbed Just all like strapped in like a one can of beer that's open. He's transport not allowed to have that shit. Or maybe it was like smoking the bandit type of thing, like he was transporting illegal beers. But no, it's probably just he had a can of beer and got pulled over. This was in March of 2011. This happened. Also transporting a loaded firear which again, in this area. Yeah, in this area. I don't know how you're going to get a loaded firearm from one place.

[B]

To have that in the car. You got to unload it. Probably.

[A]

Maybe unloaded or maybe you're not. Maybe that's with beer. It's also. Yeah, you know, because I know you're at most place you're not supposed to drink and be armed. You know, even in Tombstone they look down on that.

[B]

They're like, you can leave that at the bar.

[A]

That's going to probably cause problems. Right? We just let these people.

[B]

Yeah, you can get pissed drunk, but just don't get so mad that you got a firearm on you and you got to solve it.

[A]

We'll give you your gun when you sober up again on your way out the door.

[B]

I don't give a fuck out there.

[A]

Now, he's got a buddy here named Lawrence Doyle. Sanders. D O I L Doyle and Sanders. S A N D E R S. So his name is Larry Sanders.

[B]

No shit.

[A]

Spell the same spelling, goes by Larry. And if you don't understand the reference there. There was an HBO show starring Garry Shandling and Jeffrey Tambor and one of the better sitcoms of all time, very hilarious, called the Larry Sanders Show.

[B]

Stop saying hey. No now when have you ever said that? Now that's a nice.

[A]

I've been saying it for a long time. I mean, first I'd say hey yeah.

[B]

Then I'd say.

[A]

And then later on I added a now hey now.

[B]

Use it in a sentence. Hey now. That's a really nice dress. No, that's not it.

[A]

Hey now. It's really good to be here. No, see, hey now is not a. That's so funny.

[B]

Hey now. Say it again.

[A]

Now. They've been friends since they were kids. By the way, Larry has a. He also goes by Lawrence Earl Sanders for some reason. He's born in June 1969. Larry. They've been friends since they were kids. They've known each other for a long time. Larry was born in Blanchard, Oklahoma. Larry's daughter. This is interesting. Laramie. He named his daughter Larry, also pretty much. And Jimmy's son, Air Ryan Eren. Were are dating and in a serious relationship.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So they're pretty close.

[B]

The same age. You're right there. And I kind of want to put.

[A]

This in you a little bit. And not a lot of people around here. You want to go to pickle fest with me. So, yeah, these two are dating, but that shows how close they are. They've known each other since they were kids, and now their kids are dating. So that they're close. Close buddies. And they hang out. Larry, few issues with Larry here. Number one is meth. That's his number one issue. He's got some meth problems.

[B]

What does that make you if your kid marries your best friend's kid? Does that make you brothers in law? What is that, dad is nothing.

[A]

Nothing. Our kids are married. That's what that is.

[B]

That doesn't make you anything.

[A]

Right. Your friend's kid's father in law Now.

[B]

Now we're friends in law.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that makes you hang out during Christmas, probably. No, no.

[B]

Buddies in law.

[A]

Yeah. Pals in law. Fishing buds in law. So Larry's got a few issues, like I'm saying here. He.

[B]

He loves meth.

[A]

Started using weed a little bit in high school, like a lot of people do. But he went right to meth pretty quick, though. Yeah. He was in. By the time he was about 20. He was into the meth.

[B]

He was a meth guy all along, I think.

[A]

Yeah. Then he always has weed as, like, his base. But he sprinkles periods of a lot of meth use in there also. Just. Yeah, you know, you got to put it on there like a. Sometimes you got walnut on a Sunday. Yeah, yeah. It's one of those deals. So he used that all the way from, like, 1990 to night to 2004. And then he really picked up after that. He was like, I like this meth. I got to get into that. From 2004 until 2022, when all this is happening, by the way, his kids are dating and all that kind of thing. He's usually using at least three times a week. 18 years of constant three times a week. Meth use. And if he says three times a week, it's probably five. Yeah, so. Or five days a week. Anyway. He has a pretty good criminal record, Larry. He's been to prison a couple times for assaults and thefts and, you know, meth stuff.

[B]

Jimmy overlooks it.

[A]

Stuff for meth. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's his buddy. What's he gonna do? You know what I mean? And I think the kid's nice so it's not the kid's fault. He was arrested for hunting with the aid of a motor driven conveyance. So shooting shit out your window is.

[B]

What they call or running them down.

[A]

Something that's not really hunting. I think that would be just. I don't think that would be considered hunting.

[B]

Yeah, that's just slaughtering, right?

[A]

That is so. And I found out by the way, they do have these like, mounts that go right on your car door.

[B]

That's so crazy.

[A]

Rifle on. You have to buy them from like Australia. I assume it's to like, you know, shoot an emu or something.

[B]

Well, it's because your car seat's much more comfortable than a deer blind, I suppose.

[A]

Put it to the side. Doesn't look comfortable. Plus, if it runs this way, you're running out of luck at that point. There's not a lot runs around the.

[B]

Front of the truck.

[A]

Yeah, that's a. Woohoo. Hey. Hey. You come back here, God damn it.

[B]

Get back in my sight.

[A]

So, yeah, he gets that. He has a problem with spotlighting and headlighting, which I think is the same thing. I think he was putting a headlight on a deer so it would stay still and then shoot it out the window.

[B]

That's fucked up.

[A]

Yeah, that's why it's a crime. That's cheating. It's not really sporting at that point, you know. So he was put on probation for five years for bringing meth into the county jail. In 2019, he got arrested for public intoxication. When they searched him, they didn't find it and he didn't say he had it. And then once you get to the jail, that's why they ask you if you have anything. You have to tell me now. Because if you get to the jail, it's an extra charge, right? And this guy was like, I'm good.

[B]

They ain't gonna find it.

[A]

Well, he's also shitface. Public intoxication. And in Oklahoma I feel like you really gotta be hammered because if you're just on some beers, they're like, yeah, he just had some beer, this guy. That's some fucked up people in Oklahoma. Oh yeah, yeah. They yell boomer sooner at your shows over and over. We've been there. He had to. He told a county deputy at the time of his arrest that he, quote, used a little meth to get him going in the mornings. Oh yeah, you know, you get some people like coffee or orange juice.

[B]

Stopped working.

[A]

And he was like, no, I don't think so. Here.

[B]

Built up a Tolerance to the peet's coffee.

[A]

You know what I like method. I mean, Starbucks has that one that really is like a hardcore.

[B]

This is reliable as fuck.

[A]

He moved from coffee to espresso. And then there's got to be a more efficient way to do this. I know. Meth.

[B]

Yeah. I can't smoke coffee.

[A]

Yeah. So as of July 2022, Jimmy is operating his. His frame and body shop in Ada, and he actually decides to hire Larry.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Which seems like a weird thing to do. I'm gonna hire my meth addict friend.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, he could be good, but I feel like that's like tools are going to come up missing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you got a meth addict around, it's only a matter of time before they're probably going to start fucking up.

[B]

Where's the slide hammer?

[A]

Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Shit. Somebody.

[B]

Pawn shop.

[A]

Jesus Christ. Is that sure nobody broke in here or nothing? This is crazy. So he said, okay, I'll hire you. Yeah, I guess he needs work. And he's his, you know, son's girlfriend's father, and he's his friend since high school. So he's like, it's a good guy.

[B]

To hire, to tear down, though.

[A]

He might be good. I don't know. You know, who knows? So either way, Larry is supposed to start working for Jimmy on July 11, 2022.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

That's a Monday.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So before that, though, that's July 11th. On Monday's work. They got a weekend ahead of them.

[B]

You bet.

[A]

And they're going to go out noodling that weekend.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Go and noodling now. You don't know what noodling is.

[B]

It's not head chef at the Olive Garden.

[A]

No, it is not noodling.

[B]

It's not that. It is crazy.

[A]

No, it's crazy. I would rather work at the Olive Garden than do this. And that's saying something.

[B]

It's a wild choice.

[A]

It's fucking crazy if you've never seen it. Hillbillies go into the water and stick their arm in a big fucking hole and hope.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That a giant fish bites them.

[B]

Fingers crossed it's a fish.

[A]

Pull it right out of there.

[B]

Who fucking whose idea? I don't got money for Vas Pro. That's all right. You got arms.

[A]

Just stick it on in there. Well, how are you gonna get the ones that are there in the earth? I go fishing. That's just in the water. What if the ones have burrowed themselves deep into the earth? How am I supposed to get them.

[B]

Stink bait ain't working.

[A]

You just stick my arm in there and hope it latches on.

[B]

I suppose those fish that are big would take bait that's fucking giant anyway. And you can't. If you don't have a pole and don't have a cow, what else do they eat?

[A]

Yeah, you know, like a Lake Placid situation.

[B]

You don't want to use your baby. That's a giant mouth on that fish.

[A]

Yeah. But you can. You can. I mean, even like in the ocean, you catch a big giant fish on one little hunk of fish, but it's the matter of having a line that's strong enough and a hook that's big enough and all that kind of shit, so. And usually too, if you're in like a pond.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, the fish that you're going to catch out in the water is a way different tackle and probably bigger.

[B]

Bigger test on this.

[A]

On this arm. I don't think so. Stick my forearm.

[B]

Piece of string.

[A]

Yeah. Get me some invisible damn string.

[B]

Unbelievable.

[A]

So they start. That's how they're going. They're going noodling on July 9, just handing.

[B]

Throwing their hand down a hole.

[A]

Jimmy asked Larry if you want to go noodling. And Larry said, I mean, I'm a fucking alcoholic meth head. Of course I want to go noodling. Of course I want to stick my arm in a hole and let a fucking monster latch onto it. Obviously they are monsters. Duh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, Jimmy is real good at noodling too. There's all sorts of pictures of Jimmy with his son with these fucking massive. These massive catfish.

[B]

They're huge because that's what it is. That's the fish that we're looking for.

[A]

They bury into themselves in the fucking dirt.

[B]

There's not a trout.

[A]

No. That's where they lay eggs and shit in there.

[B]

Is that what they're doing?

[A]

I think that's what they're doing in there and hiding. So that's why they're pissy when you come in too. I think while.

[B]

I'll bite you.

[A]

Yeah. So they bite you and that's what you want.

[B]

For some reason, some of these fuckers have videos where they have like blood streaming down their arm.

[A]

Because these things are. I know they have.

[B]

They have ridges in those.

[A]

Not only that, also in those in the hole you're sticking in, there's little rocks sticking out. I mean, it's not a perfectly smooth mud hole. I mean, you're gonna. And then you're wrestling with this Thing. There's a lot going on back and forth, and you can't see shit.

[B]

No, you're just.

[A]

Yeah, that's a visual.

[B]

You're looking up at the sky, like, feeling around for the bolt under the fucking oil pan. Changing the oil.

[A]

Imagine examining a prostate, but from another room, like through a glory hole. Imagine that. That's what it is.

[B]

Closing your eyes and just hoping.

[A]

I think, hold on. Back up further into it. Like, that's basically what you're doing.

[B]

I think you're too deep.

[A]

Yep, you are.

[B]

That's not the prostate.

[A]

Fishing for prostates at this point. So Larry said that before going noodling that Jimmy had a phone call with someone. Okay. Now, Larry, keep in mind he's been doing meth a long time. Yeah, this is like 30 plus years of meth use, which will make your brain into tapioca pudding at some point.

[B]

Chemical resin.

[A]

It's not good. It's not good. Some. Just some rural Oklahoma fucking home meth. It's not homebrew.

[B]

If you cracked your head open, it'd smell like epoxy in there. It's not good.

[A]

Jesus.

[B]

Not good.

[A]

Epoxy and caulk.

[B]

Caulking.

[A]

Why does it smell like caulk in here? Yeah. Yeah. What do you think I said? Caulk.

[B]

Yeah. Sour chemical.

[A]

No, no. Yeah, Caulk from your wall. So Jimmy had a phone call with someone, Larry didn't know who, and walked away from Larry to talk on the phone, you know, like people do, because it's rude to. Well, it's also rude to just. I'm gonna have this conversation with someone else in front of you. You go, walk away and do your thing. Now. He. Larry said that Jimmy, though, would occasionally look over his shoulder. Okay. Yeah. See, both of us are like. And. But Larry didn't say. And Larry said, you motherfucker.

[B]

Suspicious as shit.

[A]

Yep. He made him real suspicious. He's like you. What's he doing? What are they planning? He's planning something against me. That's what it is. He's plotting. Okay. So they stopped at the Merriman Country Store in Allen to get some beer around lunchtime on July 9, 2022, a few hours before they go fishing. You got to get supplies. I mean, come on. Yeah. You don't need bait or anything. Lures. You got your. Got my arm. All right. That's one arm to stick in a hole. My other arm needs a beer. That's how that works. Boom and boom.

[B]

Cup holding arm.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like that. You got to get Some liquid courage. And you just be like, I'm not doing that sober. No, no way. No way. I want meth and beer if I'm gonna do that. And I don't like either one of them real. I like beer, but not meth.

[B]

The idea of just a black hole full of filth, water, and you're just gonna jam your hand.

[A]

It's all like, mud water too, in there. It's gross. It's. You're out of your mind. You have to, like, feel around for a hole and then put it in and hope there's no, like, snapping turtles in there too. Yeah.

[B]

Hope it's that and not a gator.

[A]

Who the hell? Yeah. Who knows? I don't think there's gators in open. Could be anything.

[B]

People do it in Florida. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[A]

Yeah. But that's Florida, too.

[B]

You have to understand that sometimes you get a gator.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you get new boots.

[A]

And then, you know, sometimes you get a gator and you get a new prosthetic that week.

[B]

That's all you had, a prosthetic and a belt, same day.

[A]

It's not bad. I don't think you're getting the gator. If it takes your arm, I got another arm. So there's a woman there named Rochelle Spray, and she's the cashier and cook at the country store here. She said that Larry appeared to be under the influence of something by lunchtime. Yeah, A little meth to get him going in the morning. You know what I mean? He was looking around the store and this was so much. These two came in together, Jimmy and Larry. But Larry was acting so squirrely that the employees actually talked to Jimmy and they were like, he's acting weird. You should keep an eye on him.

[B]

Your pal's nuts.

[A]

That's. Think about how nuts you have to act to go to the person he's with and be like, I'm worried for your safety. Like, you should keep an eye on him. He's crazy.

[B]

He may have done this gradually and you haven't noticed, but sight unseen. And now he's behaving like this. This isn't normal.

[A]

This isn't normal. She recalled that Jimmy just, quote, just kind of giggled about it, you know? Cause that's Larry. Oh, that's old Larry. Meth mouth. Don't worry about him. He's been acting like that since.

[B]

That's my buddy in law. I know him a while.

[A]

He's been acting like that since the first Bush administration. We ain't real worried about it. It's fine. So they're heading to the South Canadian River. That is in Oklahoma. Very south.

[B]

Extreme South Canadian River.

[A]

Very much south Toronto here. So they go there to fish, and then when they're done fishing, Larry just comes home.

[B]

No.

[A]

But he doesn't have Jimmy. No, no.

[B]

All by himself.

[A]

All by himself. And Laramie and Air Ryan Aaron were there and they were like, how's it going? How was noodling? I was fine. Where's Jimmy? Yeah, I don't know.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. So they're just there. They were all at Jimmy's house. And he returned from the river with Jimmy's pickup truck.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Which is weirder. Yeah. He pulled any. Your dad's not here, though. And Aryan said. I said, where's my dad? And he said, quote, he's not coming back. Details.

[B]

Maybe he got a big one.

[A]

He still. He's stuck in a hole. He was pulled into a hole.

[B]

He went noodling and he got noodles.

[A]

We're going to chalk one up to the catfish today.

[B]

Sucked him like spaghetti.

[A]

Sucked him all the way in at the Olive Garden where I'm a noodle chef.

[B]

Bottomless Jimmy.

[A]

Bottomless Jimmy. That's what's going on down there. So anyway, that is what's happening here. So they're obviously a little freaked out by that he's not coming back. Why? So they don't understand it. They call the police because they're like, we gotta find our dad. All he'll say is, he's not coming back. So we gotta get to the bottom of this. So they arrest Larry on an outstanding warrant. Because he's obviously got outstanding warrants. He's a fucking 30 year meth addict. He's got a warrant for something at some point. So at that point, apparently he told his daughter that he killed Jimmy also. So that's interesting. He tells Laramie about that. So the sheriff who arrested Larry on the warrant said that he, quote, seemed to be under the influence of illegal drugs. Seemed to be. He's also just, you know, Larry's always under the influence. Now the funny thing is his outstanding warrants were for unpaid fines.

[B]

Oh, he just doesn't pay shit.

[A]

That's it. They sell. Here's from the report. When they arrested him, Sanders appeared to be under the influence of an illegal drug. And when asked what was going on, he was unable to give an accurate story and was all over the place. I asked if he had gone to the river with Jimmy and he did state he did. That's how the guy Wrote it in the report. He did state he did. Wow. He did state he did. Wow, that's confusing.

[B]

Alien.

[A]

Very. Yeah. What planet are you from? Just write like a human being so we understand. I hate when they write reports like that.

[B]

Take it easy, Yoda.

[A]

Christ. Yeah. What are you trying to do? I asked what happened and he again was jerking around and couldn't stand still and would, quote, go off on other. Go off about other topics.

[B]

So just changing the subject.

[A]

Yeah. Doesn't care. You know meth. Yeah. Try to pin a meth head down on something. Just anything.

[B]

Have a conversation.

[A]

It could be anything. Do you like Skittles or the Magna Carta? You could discuss either one. And it's gonna have an equally weird.

[B]

Conversation now and laters are gonna come up.

[A]

Exactly. When you're talking about the Magna Carta. Not even Skittles. That's the other thing. It's real weird shit.

[B]

Yeah. So the Banana Laffy Taffy's great.

[A]

That's a good. Okay, so in 15, you know, what are we talking about? So, yeah, he said he did state during the middle of his tangent that someone was dead and that he had killed someone. So in all this goddamn Magna Car now later, the fucking son of the pitching goddamn Snickers bars have too many peanuts. By the way, I killed someone. These motherfucking Milky Way have no peanuts, but they have too many peanuts. What do I do?

[B]

Holy.

[A]

So this guy at that point stopped asking him questions because he's not a homicide detective. And he's like, oh, I don't want to hear any more about that.

[B]

He's admitted to murder.

[A]

Yeah, I'm going to shut the fuck up. So this is not. Not non admissible. So July 10, 2022. All right. The Oklahoma Bureau of State Bureau of Investigation responds to a request for assistance from the sheriff's office here regarding a possible homicide. We got a crazy son bitch over here.

[B]

We got Magna Carta, man.

[A]

You should probably talk to him.

[B]

To murder.

[A]

We don't know what.

[B]

I don't know what murder. It's on you.

[A]

So now what ends up happening is witnesses that were around that day, around the river, they found some witnesses. They. Because Larry had talked to some people. Witnesses will say that Larry said that he thought Jimmy was trying to kill him so he could, quote, sacrifice him to Bigfoot. To Bigfoot.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That's what he was running around telling people. How much meth do you have to be on?

[B]

It's gonna be sacrificed to a Bigfoot.

[A]

To the Bigfoot, Yeah. Not just a Bigfoot too, apparently. As a whole. We'll talk about. There's a whole family of Bigfoot. It's feet. Whatever you want to put it. It's weird. Wow. So Larry said. Because they talked to Larry and he decides he's gonna talk. He doesn't care.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This has happened. This is some shit people need to know about. You gotta watch out for the bigfoot out there, and anything can happen.

[B]

That's fast. He believes in them or does he?

[A]

Oh, I don't know if he believed in them before he did meth that day, but you get him on enough meth, he believes in Bigfoot. Wow. Not only believes in them, Thinks that people can plot with Bigfoot.

[B]

Did they nail him down on that? It's an actual being. Or is it?

[A]

Yeah, here it is. Okay. He said that after he and Jimmy parked near the river, Jimmy left to go down to the river and didn't take any water with him. Just a beer, which is just kind of.

[B]

That's fishing.

[A]

That's just kind of fishing behavior. Yeah. It's people who've already had a couple of beers and they're done with water now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Larry thought it was odd that he didn't take any water because it was super hot out. He was like, that's weird.

[B]

It's the number one ingredient in beer.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Water.

[A]

Also, I would immediately assume that if someone didn't take water, there must be some Bigfoot conspiracy afoot. That's the first thing I would think of, honestly. Like, he doesn't have any water. I bet Bigfoot's got water for him down there. So Larry said that he grabbed some water and sports drinks from a cooler. And then when he was ready to go to the water, Jimmy was already about a quarter mile away from him. Okay.

[B]

Damn, he's moving.

[A]

This is the other. This is amazing. Now, I don't know if I've never done meth, so I feel like meth might screw with your internal clock.

[B]

Yeah. Really? Just all substances, you know?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like meth might really, like. Because it speeds you up. So maybe something that you thought was an hour was really five minutes or the other way around. I don't know.

[B]

Just like the hand of God comes down and just spins the dial and walks away.

[A]

Walks away. And also spins you around a bunch of times. Like before you pin the tail on the donkey and you're walking around poking your grandma in the tit with a fucking. With a donkey tail.

[B]

It's 3:30. It's 3:30.

[A]

It's so weird. So, yeah, he said that he was already about a quarter mile away, which he thought was strange because he didn't think that Jimmy had enough time to get that far away.

[B]

He sat and contemplated.

[A]

He sat. Jimmy did some magical shit to get a quarter mile away from him.

[B]

Well, it just teleported.

[A]

He can teleport, but he's just gonna do it to get to the river further, not to get out of this area and, you know, go wherever the. I don't know, wherever you want to go. So he didn't think he had that much time. So Larry said that an area of rocks where there are. The way he put it, American Indian carvings. And he said, wow. He indicated that he felt uncomfortable because he didn't want to disrespect the area, which he felt was sacred. Yeah, he's got a lot of different thoughts swirling in his. I mean, your friend can teleport. Let's not worry about carvings at this point. Let's worry about that also.

[B]

Those are generally protected. They've got, like, fences and stuff around them.

[A]

I mean. Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

Just let you walk up and touch them.

[A]

Maybe in Oklahoma, there's so many of them, they're just willy nilly. They don't care.

[B]

Or it says, tom loves Jenny. And he's like, damn. The natives had our name names.

[A]

He goes, native love is beautiful. It's beautiful. These people, a simpler time. They really.

[B]

The Choctaw had great names, man, that's wonderful.

[A]

Damn that Andrew Jackson. Taking him away from here, bringing him here, you know. So Larry described that there was a tin horn above the rocks, which he said there was no reason for it to be there, as if it had no purpose to be there, but it's there anyway. A tin horn, like, blow through. Okay. Larry then described seeing a man who appeared to be a national guardsman.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, now, this is from 50 to 100 yards away. So whatever uniform it is, I don't know how the fuck you can identify it from 75 yards away.

[B]

I don't even know what it looks like if it was standing there.

[A]

That's what I mean, that there's a national guardsman, all right.

[B]

Sure looks like a soldier to me.

[A]

He said the man was dressed in military fatigues, which means why national guardsmen did you pull out of your ass? But he said it was a national guardsman. He was about 50 to 100 yards away down the river. So now he's looking around. His buddy teleported. There's a tin horn that don't belong there. Tom loves Jenny. And now we got an army man too down here. So real suspicious. And he doesn't want no water.

[B]

Did he?

[A]

Like, things are getting weird.

[B]

Glitch out like the mate. You know what I mean? When you. To get to where he was real fast.

[A]

You know what? Anything's possible.

[B]

You'd have to go, I'm on drugs.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. How do you know you've done meth for.

[B]

How do you do?

[A]

Yeah, his brain is so fucked up by this point that he doesn't even have. He doesn't go, I'm on drugs. Like I've been on acid when I was a teenager and went, you're on acid. You did this on purpose. Chill out, everything's fine. You like this. This is why you paid $5 for this. You know what I'm saying? Whereas if my brain was completely warped, I might not be able to put those thoughts together. Paid $5 for this privilege. So anyway, he said that at that point. Oh my God, after all this stuff, he takes stock. He said that Jimmy was on at the top of the rocks. And then Jimmy howled while standing close to the tin horn. Not into the tin horn, but howled a big howl for some reason, which Larry described as Jimmy, quote, just a wailing. Just a wailing lung full of air. You know, a howl.

[B]

The call of the wild.

[A]

The call of the wild. So Larry indicated at that point he was scared of what was going on. He was. Well, that's what I mean. Who's he? Who's he summoning? Yeah, he said that. Why would Jimmy do something like that? So he's like, I don't understand it. So Larry crossed the current of the river and got back on the sand on the other side. So Larry said that at that point, Jimmy got back in the water near a pipe of some sort. And Jimmy told him that there's fish in it. In the pipe of some sort. There's fish in here. Stick your arm in and let's grab it. They're noodling. So at that point do you just go, okay, there's fish. That's what we're here for. Or do you just assume it's a conspiracy? Now Larry says at that point Larry looked and saw a black creature. Oh, a sasquatch.

[B]

Yeah, there it is.

[A]

There it is. 12ft tall.

[B]

12Ft tall.

[A]

A 12 foot tall Sasquatch, 45 to 50 yards away. This is my favorite part. Quote, with its toe in the water. Just one doesn't like when it's too cold. It's.

[B]

It's testing it.

[A]

He's testing it out, making sure it's. Bigfoot is picky when it comes to water temperature. He likes it nice and warm if he's gonna. And take a fucking bathe. Take a little bath.

[B]

If you see something that feels weird, say it out loud in your head.

[A]

Yes, that's a 12 foot high Sasquatch. But when you're methy, you're like, yes, that's.

[B]

There's a 12 foot high Sasquatch with his toe in the water. No, there isn't.

[A]

No, there isn't. Is that near the army guy or is that on the other side, by the way, are they in cahoots?

[B]

Just say it out loud, man.

[A]

Is Bigfoot in cahoots with the government in some way? Is that what's going on here? What kind of conspiracy do we have? So he said that the creature's face was obscured by some leaves on an oak tree limb.

[B]

Because it's 12ft up there.

[A]

It's in the canyon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's still. He was there. When asked if he told Jimmy about the creature.

[B]

Did you warn your buddy?

[A]

Tell your buddy? Yeah, he replied, quote, I'm pretty sure he was aware of it.

[B]

He called him.

[A]

Wouldn't you go Bigfoot and run as far as you can in the other direction, like real fast? I don't know how fast those things are.

[B]

Get in the water. He's scared of it. He's only got his toe in there.

[A]

He's putting his toe in there. He doesn't swim well. He believed. He said at this point, that's why Knighton yelled. Why Jimmy yelled by the tinhorn was to summon the Bigfoot. Yeah, he called him. He knows how to do it, obviously. I mean, he speaks it. Talk about a wildlife expert. Summon Bigfoot. So Larry explained that he saw two other creatures also Sasquatches.

[B]

Oh, the fam.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, they don't have. They travel alone.

[B]

It's dangerous.

[A]

That's what I mean.

[B]

Numbers.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Someone will noodle you right out of there. Sasquatch. We're going squatch. Noodling. So he said they were further up the hill, behind the rock. Beyond the rocks. Yeah, he said one was dark red and the other was brown.

[B]

Recessive jeans.

[A]

Yes. We got a black Bigfoot, a brown Bigfoot, a dark red gingerbread. Yeah, a nice Irish Bigfoot there. He's doing well.

[B]

He's got all colors.

[A]

So three big feet in total. We have here.

[B]

Plural.

[A]

Plural. Big feet. So Larry believed that all of this. Now, this is when he started putting it all together. Bigfoot. Military guy howling. Other bigfoot. More Bigfoot.

[B]

It's an ambush.

[A]

He said the phone call that Jimmy made early. I don't know if he was calling. Hey, what's up, Squatch? Yeah, what's up, man? We'll be out there a little while. I'm gonna set my boy up. You'll hear me howl for you. Don't worry about it.

[B]

I'll do the yodel.

[A]

Yeah, I won't call you because I want to hear him, to hear the ringer. So go ahead and turn your. Turn your ringer off or something.

[B]

But you can leave it at the cave.

[A]

What the. So I don't know how a phone call would factor into summoning Bigfoot.

[B]

I guess he called the National Guardsman to open the cage and let him out.

[A]

Let the Bigfoot out, maybe, he said. But the phone call, the man in the military police fatigues, the howling, the tin horn, the Sasquatches, and a bunch of other weird shit like him transporting, teleporting a quarter mile in no time at all. These are all part of what he called some sort of setup.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Now that I say it out loud.

[A]

Oh, no. He's still.

[B]

He's still on. Still in it. He's still. Still in the.

[A]

He's come down and it doesn't matter. I think his brain is cooked, man.

[B]

Like, the epoxy is not working.

[A]

No, no. The caulk is rotted. It's running. So imagine you are the cops sitting there listening to this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

Three big feet, huh? And so was the military. Okay, so the military guy. That's all. This is all. Okay, thank you. We just want to make sure this is all one part of one big block.

[B]

This is gonna be a fun defense.

[A]

So it's all some sort of setup?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Larry said that there were other people on ATVs down by the river. And that Jimmy had started walking in that direction. Instead of walking toward his parked vehicle.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So obviously it's a conspiracy. Larry indicated that after he attempted several times. To get Jimmy to turn around and head back to the truck, he became very suspicious of why he's walking in a different direction. Is he trying to lure me into some Bigfoot trap? Obviously. So Larry at one point said he pushed Jimmy and told him, let's turn around and go to the truck.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He said because they had a. They were planning to go home and Have a barbecue. That was the. That's why the kids were there.

[B]

They were going to have a fry up those nuts.

[A]

Yeah, they never know. So he said that jimmy laughed it off and kept walking. Because he was probably acting crazy and methy. And jimmy was probably like, that's all right, bud. Yeah, don't worry. Get in the truck. Yeah, we. Anyway, so larry said at some point. They turned around and walked back to the truck.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Well, this is. Anyway, before that, though, after they. He laughed. Larry indicated at one point he picked up a willow switch. So stick off a willow tree. And stuck. It struck jimmy once or twice, and jimmy told him, cut that out.

[B]

Knock it off.

[A]

Why are you hitting me with a stick? That ain't right. So then at some point, they turned around and walked back toward the truck. But after what he called a long period, which could be two minutes, it could be three hours, we'd have no fucking idea.

[B]

At this point, his frame reference time is fucked.

[A]

It's all messed up. Larry asked jimmy where the truck was, saying, we should have already gotten to it. What circuitous route are you taking me on? Away from the truck, he said. Larry then said that jimmy turned around. And knocked him to the ground. Oh, just started attacking him. Yeah, jimmy did. Now, meanwhile, he's laughing off crazy shit. He's not attacking this guy. So, yeah, jim, Larry said, quote, he attacked me. So he said that they wrestled on the ground for quite some time. And that jimmy had larry in a chokehold on two occasions. Must be not very good at it, because he kept getting out of it. So larry indicated at one point, While jimmy had him in a chokehold, he put his hands behind his head. And attempted to gouge jimmy's eyes out.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

He had him choked. So he reached behind him and tried to gouge his eyes out. Okay. Larry indicated that jimmy let. Then let go of him. And larry then put jimmy in a chokehold until jimmy quit moving.

[B]

See how you like it.

[A]

See how you like it. And choked out. So larry said that. Yeah, he's doing that. He said that it was all about the sasquatches, man. They go, why'd you do that? He goes, he was setting me up with the squatches.

[B]

So he choked him out.

[A]

Yeah, well, he said that. And they go, why do. Why would you do this? And he said, well, this is what I think was going on Now, Obviously, carter law and everything, Y' all will figure it out, But I think this is what's up. He said that he thought jimmy had planned to drown him. And Then float his body down the river to the bigfoots, to the Sasquatch village so they can eat him. Oh, but the big feet don't like to. They don't like to hunt like a tiger. They just. They want a corpse pre killed that they could just eat.

[B]

It's also a pain in the ass to carry it. So if you just float it.

[A]

Much easier. Yeah, we'll pick it on up. That's what they. That's how they get food.

[B]

Marinate it in the water.

[A]

It's like one of. Like a. Like a. Like an East Berlin food drop from the late 40s or something. Like that's what they do, Float down the river. That's how it goes. He says all that, then he says he sits back in the chair and goes, that's the only thing that made sense. What? No, that's the only thing that made sense. Okay, everybody, I just like to say this now. Don't do meth, guys. I know it's cliche by now.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

I know it's cliche by now not to do meth, but don't do meth. Remember Reno911, when he drew a thing? This is your brain, Mike. You see this? He goes, this here. This is all. See, it was all scrambled up. That's meth. That's what it's doing to your brain right now. That's what's happening to this shit.

[B]

Holy fuck.

[A]

So anyway, this is fucking crazy now. He said, yeah, they said, describe the big feet again. He goes, biggest one was 12ft tall. He was black, red one, fucking brown one. What do you want from me? Jesus Christ. How many more. More times? I have to get out there and find them. They probably. They're part of this. So he said. I kept him in a chokehold until he stopped breathing. And he said while he was doing this, all the big feet were watching. So this is like a performative thing. Like, you know, this is like your first day in prison.

[B]

I mean, they could.

[A]

What do you want, motherfuckers?

[B]

They're probably pretty happy. We don't care which one. Just float one to us.

[A]

No, but. Yeah, but they wanted Larry because he's methy. And they like that. Apparently they like that taste. Gives it a little extra. Yeah, yeah. So Larry said, yeah, I did that. And the big. The big feet watched. He said, then when he was dead, his friend was dead, he stood up and raised his hands up to, quote, show them he was the victor.

[B]

Got to get big, the bigfoot.

[A]

You have to show them. Look what I did.

[B]

I'm a winner.

[A]

Yep. Okay. Then he said that he pointed to Jimmy and yelled at the big feet, quote, weak is evil. I don't know what that means, but that's what he did.

[B]

Now they get it.

[A]

So then he drew a map and provided directions that helped searchers find Jimmy's body, which is nice. He did remember that. That's helpful. The Oklahoman newspaper reported that Larry cooperated with police and drew the map and said, quote, they said later on, the police, this area is very wooded and there's a lot of small brush and large trees. It was a difficult search to conduct and a large area to search because he didn't know exactly where it was.

[B]

I mean, also, point towards the water and we'll find the footprints of these.

[A]

Probably all over that. Yeah. Where were they? Yeah, well, they cover their tracks up. They're smart. Big feet. Yeah. As they go back, they go badly, walk backwards and cover them back up again. Like the kid in the shining when he's running from Jack Nicholson in the snow, he's gonna cover his tracks.

[B]

Drag a sand. Sand trap rake.

[A]

They all big feet have a sand trap rake. That's what they use. Everyone knows that.

[B]

Fix and dip.

[A]

So the police report says, this is. I love hearing this in police report lingo. Larry advised he believed Jimmy was trying to get away from him so that. So that the sasquatch could eat Larry. Larry, this is in a fucking official document somewhere in a file. Larry would not let Jimmy get away. Larry punched Jimmy and struck Jimmy with a stick. Larry and Jimmy fought for an extended amount of time on the ground. Larry confirmed he killed Jimmy by choking him to death near the river. Larry, even so. Yeah. This is ridiculous. Now, Oklahoma, by the way, you might go, what the hell is going on here? Oklahoma really wants bigfoot to be real. That's the thing. This is not helped by this. Okay? An Oklahoma State in 2021. So the year previous to this, a dipshit in the state legislature introduced a bill to establish, quote, bigfoot hunting season. Hey, you have no problem. The state must be perfect if you have time to do that. The state, all the schools are perfect.

[B]

The hospital, the roads better be a perfect.

[A]

There is not a fucking pothole on your entire. In your entire state. All the kids have, like, lunches and they're learning everything.

[B]

Your tornado alert system must be top notch.

[A]

And you've built an underground. You built an underground city for people to go to when it's tornadoes. Like, that's when you start worrying about.

[B]

Bigfoot hunting There's a Nordstrom underground for people to shop and wait out the fucking Oklahoma people.

[A]

This idiot is using your wasting. You're paying for this. You're paying a man to do this.

[B]

That's a man that saw Oregon.

[A]

Idiot.

[B]

Pacific Northwest tourism based around Squatch and was like, we gotta get. That's a billion dollar industry. We gotta get a chunk of that.

[A]

Oh, my. So what? So you're making meth people think there's big feet.

[B]

Squash season.

[A]

So the bill would require hunting licenses. And comes with a $25,000 reward for capture of Bigfoot. The legislation was meant to increase tourism near the mountains here. And according to the Bigfoot Research Organization. Yeah, the bro. Yeah, there's been the bro. That makes a lot of Sense. There's been 106 Bigfoot sightings in Oklahoma.

[B]

Or just real tall men hunting out there.

[A]

Tall people. A lot of 106 drunk people in Oklahoma or people on meth.

[B]

They probably cut down on tall people going out hunting, though.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You're over 5, 8.

[A]

Don't go hunting in Oklahoma. Stay home.

[B]

You're gonna get shot.

[A]

Or wear bright colored clothing. Nothing dark. Wear like yellow and orange and shit. So people know that you're not a Bigfoot.

[B]

Don't be in red.

[A]

No, no, no, no. This guy's name is Rep. Justin Humphrey, by the way. I don't know if he's still in charge of anything, but stop paying that guy for being an idiot. He said, I have some people that I know that are good, solid people. This is the representative that are good, solid people. Who I will guarantee you 100% have said they have experience with Bigfoot. He just said, I heard, my friend. Whenever you say when. If someone says, I know people that have told me it's bullshit.

[B]

100%. They've said it.

[A]

Yeah. Where are they?

[B]

What does that even mean?

[A]

Where are they? It doesn't mean anything. No, that's what I mean. They. I can.

[B]

100% they said it.

[A]

He said, I will. Garrett. They're solid people. I will guarantee you and 100% that they have experience with Bigfoot. So you're supposed to just believe they said it. Unbelievable.

[B]

I believe they said it.

[A]

I read on the Internet there's Bigfoot is what he just said. We are not promoting killing Bigfoot. We're promoting hunting Bigfoot.

[B]

What's the difference?

[A]

Big difference, he said, trying to find evidence of Bigfoot. Okay? Now Laramie and Aaron here, they gotta be like, what the fuck, man?

[B]

Larry, you. Laramie.

[A]

Laramie's Got to feel bad.

[B]

Terrible.

[A]

Oh, man. My dad killed your dad. So she said that her dad told her that he killed Jimmy for trying to feed him to Bigfoot also. So it's a consistent story. He didn't just make this up in the. He was telling his daughter right when it happened. When he got home, he's like, he tried to feed me to a Bigfoot. I had to do what I had to do.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Yeah. She said that he was frantic and mentioned something about strangling Jimmy and, quote, possibly firing two shots from a pistol. That's another word that avenue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She also said. Yeah. She said that he had. They admitted getting into a fight over being fed to Bigfoot. The police said. She said that Larry said that him and Jimmy had been fighting on the ground for roughly an hour.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

His time is way off. He can't fight for an hour in the heat outside. Nobody has fought for an hour ever. That's crazy. That's why, like, Ricky Steamboat and ric flair in 89, fighting, like, for an hour, like, that's. That's why it's wrestling in real life. There wouldn't be an hour long fight. That's insane. Someone's going down. So that's how wrong his time is. And his brain. And then mentioned something about strangling him. And they also said something about the two shots from a pistol. She said that he kept going on and on about, quote, Bigfoot territory. I was in Bigfoot territory. What do you want? Like, they're a gang. Yeah, that's where the bloods are. Shit. I had to pack my heat.

[B]

There's BF all over the. There was big.

[A]

Oh, shit. You can't have that. So the district judge rejects his motion for a speedy trial, saying prosecutors need plenty of time to review his psychological state. You know, because he's claiming that there's big feet involved.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So his attorney gave notice that Larry will raise at trial the defense of mental illness or insanity at the time of the defense, which, I mean, if you're ever gonna bring it up, it should be when you kill your friend because he was trying to feed you to Bigfoot. I feel like that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one right there. That's delusion. He's seeing Bigfoot. Like, that's. Wow. He said, I guess it's not used a lot in Oklahoma. And a forensic psychologist who works in Oklahoma wrote for the. Him and a former prosecutor wrote in the Oklahoma Bar Journal, which is a publication for lawyers. The public believes that the insanity Defense is used on a regular basis when it actually is used in less than 1% of criminal cases.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

You can't just say I'm using the insanity defense.

[B]

It.

[A]

The judge has to allow you to use that because you have to have evidence of that that allows you to. Otherwise there's no.

[B]

And we're so familiar with it because those are the only ones that get publicized.

[A]

Yeah, well, the shit. They're usually the craziest cases. You know what I mean?

[B]

The ones are worth writing about.

[A]

Totally. So. And this guy will be testifying for the prosecution, the one that said that though. Now, if he's found not guilty, he'll be sent for evaluation to a mental facility. He could be kept there for the rest of his life. If guilty, obviously prison. So there's a letter. Larry's attorney sent him a letter advising him of the need to meet with the psychologist and psychiatrist for the defense to help establish his case. Very simple, straightforward. From your legal representative. Here's a letter. This is what you have to do. Very common in every criminal case there is. Larry insists that it wasn't really his lawyer that sent him the letter, but instead it was an imposter. Oh, you know, Bigfoot, probably, I assume right in it.

[B]

Bigfoot in a suit.

[A]

Bigfoot. Just picture Bigfoot like writing a letter. No, no, say this. Now hold on. God damn it. New page, new page. So in his letter he says, judge, I received a letter. And by the way, this is in his crazy methy handwriting. Oh, look at it, look at it.

[B]

Oh my.

[A]

It's not straight. It goes down to the writing.

[B]

It goes up and down.

[A]

It's wavy, it's half. Half capitalized, half not.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

It is part cursive, part fucking giant ass commas all messed up. Yeah, his commas. There will be a pause here.

[B]

He may as well have written like a rest symbol from music.

[A]

That is.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

I received a letter at 4am on 923 22, appearing to be from my attorney, Larry Ballarack. Upon viewing it, I. What is that? I'm prone. I'm prone. That says. Wow. I'm prone to believe it's not from him. You're a judge reading this. This is worse than getting Sarah Boone letters.

[B]

This is incredible.

[A]

He has told me in something that all that's to happen and who is to conduct conduct these events. The letter contradicts everything he said and misspellings and wordings are on the level of a third grade intellect. Attorney Balsarrak would not allow Such work to be something bearing his name. It would be an insult to everything he stands for. He's all about grammar. Jimmy. Sure.

[B]

In the fuck.

[A]

Information in it is not at all even close to what Balserac and Investigator Josh. That's a really.

[B]

Investigator Josh.

[A]

Investigator Josh both personally told me. I can say with certainty some what is this strong, strong belief that he did not write at all and has no knowledge of it. That is a knowledge is K N D E G E by the way of it on these findings. I cannot proceed with any court proceedings until I can confer with Mr. Balcarac in person. Sincerely, competently communicated. Larry Sanders. Yeah, right. P.S. oh, you got a P.S. your judge always the false document or letter from my attorney to me. No actual bearing on court proceedings. Requires no filing with the court. Also by logic. Wow. Logic with a D L O D G I C Rapper. And they're saying that he's complaining. The lawyer was misspelling words. They're probably spelled correctly. He just doesn't know how to spell. Logic has a D in it. Stup. You ain't my lawyer. You fucking kidding me?

[B]

Why is there an L in knowledge?

[A]

That's ridiculous. I won't have it. No. Fuck. By logic of reason and common sense almost any would. Almost anyone wrote that down would rightly assume that to have a jury determine a professional's findings to have Mental health forensics examiner.

[B]

Page three for the P.S.

[A]

This is wild.

[B]

P.S. is longer than the letter.

[A]

Did he write this on like a square of toilet paper to the way it's written Like. Which is not the agency that Balserac told me in person would be doing the competency test. We would. What the hell would hold a fair degree of psychologically. What the fuck word is that? Psychological or mental. I don't know what he's talking about.

[B]

Psychological er.

[A]

Psychological er. Wow. This is when it really. It's all curved to the right. He really lost it.

[B]

He's really getting lazy now.

[A]

Finding him his mind is unraveling test results. To have the jury members with the knowledge having to decide the results is completely. I got to turn my head. Incompetent in his self. Furthermore, Balserac would not bother filing a letter. Jesus of communication. Only that he told I don't even know what sentence that line is on this one or this one. Necessary. Not even close. Information Swinging a mess. Necessary is a hard one. That's when I've always had a problem. I don't know why there's always a word your brain doesn't like Cs and.

[B]

Ss doing the same thing.

[A]

But there's no Cs at all in this one, so I know it's not right. It's all S's. It is an insult to the intelligence of anyone involved. You're saying you killed a guy because he was sacrificing you to Bigfoot? You're talking about insulting intelligence. Especially the less than intellectually capable imposter who wrote up this fake of a supposedly legal logistical joke of a joke. Joke of a. Supposed to be legal. Some shit I don't know. The entire four page letter confers only two issues relevant to anything. One of them is not even correct to what Balcarrak has done. It's a poor attempt to appear like a legitimate letter from my attorney.

[B]

This is the P.S.

[A]

Yeah, it's on his letterhead and everything. But that doesn't mean shit, actually. In reality, it's illegal fraudulent criminal act against the law in every way. Communication of this has been made with the outside family members capable of overseeing the prosecuting. Nope, that's not how you spell that. There's no. That's not where an eye goes. Of the responsible party. With all due respect and honesty, he signed it twice.

[B]

He did.

[A]

He signed the letter PSD and then signed the BS because he realized I.

[B]

Just wrote another letter.

[A]

Oh, my God. We also have his. Oh, his commissary items he bought. Boxer shorts, white socks, Ramen picante, chicken soup. Picante, yeah, not bad. Beef ramen soup, Honey bun glazed nutty bars. Those are good. Yeah, they're good. Chocolate cream cookies. Likes his junk food. This guy does cheese and peanut butter crackers, crackers, Saltine crackers, all energy trail mix. Beef summer sausage, 5 ounces.

[B]

He is legit loaded.

[A]

Poof. Fruit punch mix, single cherry mix, drink single sunkist grape singles, Lay's classic. One ounce. All of that $60.

[B]

That's 60 bucks.

[A]

60 bucks fucking markup. Oh, man. Then more nutty bars and more. He reordered a bunch of food. Now the trial. He waives his right to a jury trial. He goes. They won't understand. The judge. He'll understand. He's all dressed in black up there like a Sasquatch. He'll know what's going on. So during the openings here, the prosecutor described Jimmy as a quote, good old country boy who went fishing with his friend at the river and never came back. Larry Balserac, the real one, not this imposter. Attorney contends he did not form. Larry did not form an intent to kill because he's delusional and crazy. Yeah. Laramie and Aaron testify that he came home and told him what happened and said he's not coming back. Other witnesses also testified here that during one day of testimony, they got testified that Larry is a user of drugs, including meth, and that the Bigfoot rhetoric was more. Apparently, this wasn't new. This didn't come up. Lately he's been talking about Bigfoot all the time.

[B]

He's been on a kick.

[A]

Yeah. And they said that it really gears up when he's under the influence of. That's when he really starts talking about Bigfoot. Not really interested in Bigfoot until the meth kicks in. Then he's like, these big feet are out to get us, man. Like, that's.

[B]

My uncle talked about the Hale Bop Comet, but when he got drunk, it was all about Hale Bop.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It locks in. Locks people in. He said. I don't recall specifically if he said that he. By the way, did you get his Nikes afterwards or did they get.

[B]

No, I didn't get shit.

[A]

Nah. Son of a bitch.

[B]

He died under a tree.

[A]

You can get those 96 air maxes or whatever they were.

[B]

He wasn't wearing anything.

[A]

No shit. So the detective testified. I don't recall specifically if he said he had seen them in the past, but I do know that he said he saw them this instance for certain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The agent also testified that Sanders believed that the creatures were descendants of Native Americans. Oh, he's got a theory of where they come from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Descendants of Native Americans who had been forced out of their tribes and into the woods long ago. So they, like, breeded with a woods creature and formed some super, super Bigfoot thing. I don't know what's going on. The state prosecutor said that he's a forensic psychologist, and he said that he concluded Larry cannot be considered insane under Oklahoma law. No, it seems like that's pretty crazy.

[B]

It's not crazy enough.

[A]

His defense, his sister, Ginger Skipper is her name.

[B]

Right. Okay.

[A]

We'll say that Larry had run out of his mental health medications in April or May of 2022. So he's been off his medical meds.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

She had attempted to get a refill, but was told that he had to meet with a doctor to get another refill. So he just said, fuck it. And he's been off his meds for.

[B]

Three months, which is meds on the meth.

[A]

He testifies. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

He takes the stand in his own defense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Although. But right before he took the stand, he attempted to fire Larry Balcarak, but they didn't let him. He indicated he didn't feel Larry was representing him adequately. He also insisted his lawyer should have emphasized further that he believed the investigation into this case was lacking in effort and was shabby. Okay, okay. Not finding the big feet and asking them their opinion. The judge ruled that he failed to provide a reason for firing his attorney. And it continued. So Larry indicated that he and Jimmy were more like acquaintances rather than friends. They've been hanging out for over 30 years.

[B]

Your kids are sleeping together.

[A]

He hired him. They're more than acquaintances. He said that Jimmy had offered him employment before July 9th. And Larry said he would have started working for Jimmy the following Monday. He said he killed Jimmy because his friend. He said this on the stand. I killed my friend because he summoned the Bigfoot tribe to eat me. Duh. What would you have done? He also said, he said I was being set up for sacrifice. What the fuck, man? He told an agent with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation that he talked to. That he talked to that watching the Bigfoots after he killed his friend and said that week is evil and that they reacted. Okay. By the way, Jimmy's son is thrown out of court for making a seat yelling at fucking Larry because he's pissed off. I don't blame him. The defense shrink said that he's obviously suffering from serious psychosis from frequent methamphetamine use. His brain is all mushy. They said he reported long drug induced mood disorder and considered to have bipolar disorder and described his beliefs in Bigfoot as delusional, which is what you need to be crazy and correct. They called it methamphetamine induced psychotic disorder.

[B]

Right. Brain rot.

[A]

Brain rot. Closing arguments here. The state said, I think we met the burden of proof here.

[B]

Yeah, he said it.

[A]

He said it. He's there. He was the aggressor and everything. He hit him with a stick. So the defense said the state did not meet the burden of proof. He said that Sanders belief or non belief in Bigfoot is not the point here. It's just not the point. He said that it indicated long term meth use made him have delusions. He said that the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation did a poor job on the investigation and the agency closed the books on the case as soon as he confessed. So as soon as he had the murderer there who confessed to it, it all made sense. That's when they closed. They stopped looking for other suspects. That's a really annoying Defense.

[B]

That's a. That's a fault on their part.

[A]

Wow. They said they should have considered. They should have tested under his. The fingernails of both men and that Larry should have been tested for intoxicant use. After he was arrested, the prosecution said the defendant admitted to everyone that he would. That would listen to him that he killed Jimmy. He said he made sure Jimmy went out and he kept him in a chokehold and didn't release him until Jimmy was turning blue. He then said, I agree with Mr. Sanders. There was a monster in the woods that day, but it wasn't Bigfoot. It was him. Verdict Fucking guilty. Very.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

By the way, this is not the news broadcast you want. Man kills friend for summoning Bigfoot Is the. A screenshot from the local news.

[B]

She does not look happy that she has to say it.

[A]

She looks like she's saying fart right there. Doesn't she fart? Oh. So, yeah. They said you have to have malice forethought, which means you have to have specific intent to cause the death of another. They said, we were able to prove that Larry caused the death and all this. So Larry speaks during sentencing. He said he acted in self defense. He blamed the guilty verdict on a higher power and ancient influences. This is what he said on the stand. He said the truth was ignored. He told the judge that he would give him his life. I'd give my left arm if I could bring Jimmy back.

[B]

That's my noodling arm.

[A]

See, it means a lot to me. He also said Jimmy was a victim of his own actions.

[B]

That's so wild. That's his defense. Nobody made you do meth, man.

[A]

So then he said, he. Then he interrupted as they were reading posts about him from Twitter and during the sentencing, and he said, what does this have to do with anything? This is bullshit. I don't want to hear any of this. This is ignorance. Ignorant. He then called the prosecutor a quote, stupid bitch. Yes. As deputies led him from the courtroom, the judge agreed he could come back. After he left, the prosecutor explained her point was, the legacy that this murder has left the family is Bigfoot jokes. These poor people have to deal with Bigfoot jokes and idiots like us. Yeah, but I. Well, I feel bad for Jimmy, though. We're not making fun of that. It's terrible. So the judge agreed he could come back. Sanders said, fuck that. Take me to jail. I don't want to hear the sentencing. They said, options are life, where you'd be eligible for parole in 30 years. When he's 85, life without parole. They didn't seek the death penalty.

[B]

Oh, that's nice.

[A]

So the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off. Life without. Okay, yeah. So his appeal grounds are pretty ridiculous. Didn't get a speedy trial. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's there. There's a gofundme for Jimmy's family, by the way. They put up, and it didn't raise a ton of money, so. So it'd be a nice thing if people could throw a couple bucks on that. I don't know if it's still active or not, but they have kids and all that kind of shit, so in.

[B]

2022, it might still be.

[A]

It might still be active. So check that out. Come see it. Watch out for Bigfoot, everybody.

[B]

He's out there.

[A]

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[B]

Sam.