Master Of Deceit - South Salt Lake, Utah

Summary

Small Town Murder Express — “Master Of Deceit: South Salt Lake, Utah”

Podcast: Small Town Murder
Hosts: James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman
Episode Date: January 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the dark story of Robert Eugene Bennett, a serial deceiver and suspected serial killer who terrorized South Salt Lake, Utah, and possibly beyond. The hosts, James and Jimmie, mix sharp research with biting, irreverent humor as they unpack the murder of Larry Dwayne White and the unnerving possibility that Bennett left a string of victims and mysteries in his wake. The episode explores small-town quirks, Bennett’s long trail of deceit, and the unresolved cases left behind.

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Setting the Scene: South Salt Lake, Utah (04:10–12:07)

• Town Profile:
  South Salt Lake is depicted as a “barely-there suburb,” known more for its industrial buildings, lackluster urban features, and uninspired local events like the annual Mural Fest.
• Demographics:
  Population at time of the murder: ~10,000 (now 26,000+), median household income below national average, high home prices relative to income.
• Town Reviews:
  The hosts read out actual resident complaints, painting a picture of a place noted for trash, crime, and a peculiar sense of community.
  “South Salt Lake City… is a garbage wasteland full of crime. Full of it.” — (James, 09:40)

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Discovery of the Crime — February 22, 1989 (12:07–16:41)

• A local man searching for wilted lettuce for his rabbits in a grocery store dumpster uncovers garbage bags that turn out to contain severed human legs.
• The remains are identified as Larry Dwayne White, a 52-year-old telemarketer and would-be writer living with his elderly father.
• The hosts’ comedic take:
  “If that guy wasn’t searching for lettuce, that dumpster was about to get dumped. Literally. … Without him and his goddamn rabbits, we wouldn’t even known to look for Larry.” (James, 35:57)

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The Victim & The Suspect (16:43–24:51)

• Larry Dwayne White:
  Born 1937, studied interior decorating at BYU, attempted writing books, lived a low-profile life.
• Robert Eugene Bennett a.k.a. ‘Roy Anderson’:
  Real name revealed after discovery of multiple aliases (Robert Eugene Bennett, Joe King Bennett, Roy William Anderson, etc.). “He is what you’d call a master of deceit.” — Police Captain (James quoting, 23:36)

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The Investigation Unfolds (24:51–32:01)

• Bennett flees Utah; tracked down in Las Vegas after a month and a half.
• Evidence mounts: He is found with White’s ID, applied for his birth certificate, had a gun, murder kit (garbage bags, tape, gloves), and stolen license plates.
• The search of his former Utah residence leads to a bizarre burial:
  • Torso found beneath concrete in the yard
  • Head found separately, also buried and wrapped
  • Arms never recovered

Memorable Quote:
“Anybody who’s just digging around accidentally… and they hit concrete, they’d stop.” — James, 33:54

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Evidence & Forensics (32:01–36:49)

• Cause of death: Five .38 caliber gunshots (gun recovered).
• Dissection and disposal were post-mortem; forensic work connects all remains to Larry White.
• A hacksaw found in the shed appears to be the murder weapon for the dismemberment.

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Robert Eugene Bennett: The Master of Deceit (36:50–54:49)

• Bennett refuses to speak to authorities; multiple aliases and identities over a decade suggest a broader criminal history.
• Law enforcement begins linking Bennett to other missing persons and unsolved cases.
• Chilling Pattern:
  Disappearance of Bennett’s wife, Floy “Jeannie” Bennett, in Beaverton, Oregon in 1978 — on precisely the same date, February 22, eleven years earlier.

Host Reaction:
“Why does he love that day?” — Jimmie, 39:36

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A Deeper Pattern: More Missing Persons (54:50–58:56)

• Bennett suspected in other homicides through investigation of his movement across US states, after his wife’s disappearance.
• Marries his brother’s widow during his years on the run; authorities suspect a serial aspect to his crimes.
• FBI involved; Bennett’s cases entered into violent crime databases; evidence remains circumstantial for other possible murders.

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Legal Proceedings & Sentencing (58:57–65:29)

• Bennett pleads guilty to second-degree murder to avoid trial and deeper probing into his “private life.”
• In-court admission:
  Judge: “Did you murder this man and dismember him and bury him in your yard?”
  Bennett: “Absolutely.” (James, 59:27)
• Sentence: 5 years to life in Utah State Prison (discretionary parole board system).

Hosts’ Take:
“That seems like… a waste of resources to have parole any kind of time three years after a dismemberment murder goes to trial.” — James, 72:23

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Chilling Aftermath & Unsolved Mysteries (65:30–77:10)

• Authorities in Idaho contact Utah about a similar “torso and limbs” case in a cave that could fit Bennett’s timeline and methods.
• Bennett remains tight-lipped. His parole is denied (2004), after he admits the murder but offers a dubious “fit of anger” story.

Key Moments:

• “If there’s three, there’s definitely 10. And he won’t say — if there’s 10, there’s probably 50…” — James, 77:47

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You know, with Utah’s sentencing, you sir may fuck off. Five years to life.” — James, 65:29
• “My son blessed the food. And then I sat down and ate dinner with the man who was going to kill my son.” — Larry’s father, (James quoting, 37:47)
• “Master of Deceit” — The police label for Bennett, also the episode title (23:36)
• “Show us next time… Show us next time.” — Jimmie, on future possible parole hearings, 75:48

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Important Timestamps

• 04:10: Introduction to South Salt Lake, Utah (history & flavor)
• 12:07: The murder discovery (Dumpster, February 1989)
• 16:43: The victim’s backstory
• 19:56: Introduction to suspect Robert Eugene Bennett / Roy Anderson
• 23:36: “Master of deceit” and police reflections
• 24:51: Bennett on the run and found in Las Vegas
• 26:57: Discovery of torso & head beneath concrete
• 32:01: Forensics and autopsy; cause of death
• 39:36: Introduction of the 1978 missing wife case
• 54:50: Bennett’s post-1978 movements and family links
• 59:27: Guilty plea & “Absolutely.”
• 65:29: Sentencing and parole discussion
• 72:23: Parole hearing and denial
• 77:47: Speculation on other murders

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Tone & Style

James and Jimmie blend meticulous research and gallows humor, with rapid-fire riffs and irreverent asides. They reflect genuine outrage at Bennett and empathy for the victims while keeping the pace lively, droll, and self-aware. Their comedic spin often highlights the absurdity of both small-town quirks and the darkness of true crime cases.

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Conclusion

This episode is a chilling, thorough, yet entertaining look into the life of a manipulative killer whose true body count may never be known. Through the hosts’ comedic but razor-sharp lens, listeners witness not just the murder at the center, but the ripple effects of deceit that may haunt small towns (and big states) for decades.

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For true crime and comedy fans, “Master Of Deceit” offers a perfect blend of investigation, personality, and black humor — with enough twists to keep even seasoned listeners guessing.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

And choo choo.

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Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petragalo. I'm here with my co host.

[B]

I'm Jimmy Whisman.

[A]

Thank you folks so much for joining us. All aboard the murder train pulling away from the station. We got some wild stuff for you this week. As usual, Express is hard to hold. It's only an hour, but it's slippery. It's two hours worth of murder trying to fight through that hour. I'll tell you that right now. Before we get started, head over to shut upandgivememurder.com get your merchandise. Number one, get your tickets to live shows. The full slate of 2026 live shows is for sale right now at shutupandgivemerder.com starting with February 21st in Nashville. That is number one. Let's kick the year off correctly. Get in there and do that. After that. Durham, Atlanta, Phoenix, Salt Lake City. Sold out. Never mind that. Denver, Buffalo, Royal Oak, Michigan, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Dallas, San Jose, Sacramento, Terrytown and Boston. Wow. And then we'll have my funeral around the holidays.

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That'll be nice for everybody. Put a tree up by my casket if you could. I beg of you.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

We'll talk about real TV friendly, those ones.

[A]

No, they're fun to watch though. Then for small town murder, we are gonna talk. The polls are closed and the mall collapse has won. So we will be talking about this crazy mall collapse that happened. And we'll do old timey crimes another time because everybody loves those. That's patreon.com CrimeInSports is where you get all of that and you get everything. We put out all three shows. Everything. All ad free as well. Ad free. Ad free as well as that. And you get a shout out at the end of the regular show. You can't beat the deal. That's it. Patreon.com crimeinsports that said, it's time everybody to sit back. We gotta get into this. Let's sit back here, everybody. Let's clear the lungs and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Let's go on a trip, shall we? We are. We're going to Utah this week.

[B]

All right.

[A]

As we will also be going on May 1, but we're not really plugging that because it's sold out like two minutes there.

[B]

Hope you're coming. If not.

[A]

Oh, shit. You go to Utah and you, you swear and drink. They will come see you. They're like, I just want to see somebody curse and drink. I don't care. Somebody be dirty here, please. Yeah, let's do it. We're going to South Salt Lake, Utah. Oh, South Salt Lake is just a suburb in the south of Salt Lake City. Exactly what it says here. It's in north central Utah where Salt Lake city is. It's 10 minutes to salt Lake City. I mean, it's right there.

[B]

Oh, it's right there.

[A]

It's right. Suburb on the border. 35 minutes to park City. The other way. If you want to get Real fancy. Spend a lot of money on a house. And about 50 minutes to Payson, Utah. Our last Utah episode, episode 617, murder mystery gone Wild. That was crazy. That is when two people were tied up in the house and there was a dead person. They said somebody came in and tied them up and killed somebody else. And it wasn't quite what their story was. Yeah, exactly. This is in Salt Lake county, area codes 385 and 801. Population here, 26,086.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So not very big. And when this murder happened, there was about 10,000 was the population. So it was even more. It was a little more rural in this area at that point. Median household income here is lower than I thought, because Salt Lake City, they make money in Salt Lake City, $50,589, which is lower than the national average by almost $20,000. And the median home cost here is way up, though. That is 426,700 bucks. So try doing that on 50 grand a year. Good luck. That's tough. House rich, House poor. That's just poor. You can't afford to live in the house.

[B]

How are you going to do it?

[A]

Our mortgage is as make in a month. How do you do that? That's poor. Poor. So the median home cost, that's there. And then the motto here, City on the move.

[B]

Is it?

[A]

Yeah, we've heard that one about 20 times. City on the move. They're going away from Salt Lake City. A little bit of history here. Jesse Fox Jr. Developed the area Salt South Salt Lake, referred to as Central Park. They have a Central park here. Around 1890, he went to New York and saw Central park, literally. And he was impressed. He was like, right in the middle of the city, they put a park here. This is pretty cool. And then he came back to South Salt Lake, which was completely rural at the time. Yeah, yeah, Totally rural. And he goes, I'm gonna name this Central Park. Even though it's central of nothing. There's nothing there. There's nothing there.

[B]

Central park super exists and is very famous.

[A]

It's hilarious. So he named it Central Park. Who knows now By 1938, the town still didn't have a sewer system.

[B]

By 1938.

[A]

No. Because they couldn't decide what they were gonna be, if they were gonna be part of Salt Lake City, if they were gonna incorporate on their own. And to have a sewer system, you have to have, like a structure and taxes coming to somewhere for someone to pay for it. So one of those things.

[B]

Yeah. Or a private company that does it on their own. But either way that costs money.

[A]

That's what I mean. So they were like, all right, we need a sewer. So they voted to incorporate the town of South Sewer so they could start paying for a sewer. By 1950, the population had increased enough for South Salt Lake to be designated a third class city. Which sounds terrible. Sounds like an insult. Ah, Christ. I'm stuck in this third class city. This place is a dump and they're.

[B]

Fucking proud of it.

[A]

Yeah. What is this? Grand Rapids? What am I doing here? This sucks.

[B]

We worked hard for this.

[A]

Yeah. Shit. They changed this. Changed the form of government to a mayor and a city council with being a third class city. So I guess so here the town president became the mayor. Lucky for him. Now reviews of this town. These are like in the low threes, by the way. Out of five stars on. They hate it on niche. Yeah, it's not good. Here's four stars. It's a good area. It's close enough to anything you could want. And it's fairly safe. I mean fairly. Let's not go crazy. You don't want your kids out wandering around, but fairly safe. The drivers aren't great, but that's just the Salt Lake area for you.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Yeah, they are bad drivers.

[A]

I think that's a place that a lot of people move to. So you're gonna get any anytime. You get like Phoenix, Salt Lake, Denver, Louisiana. Places where people come from other places and bring their shitty driving styles from all over the country.

[B]

Salt Lake is. I rented a car and drove it to Idaho and I got the finger several times and screamed, go back to Salt Lake.

[A]

Yeah, you're gonna get that. That's people in the Northeast. The Massachusetts people get that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Everywhere else. Yeah.

[B]

It doesn't say Salt Lake on the plate. Just says Utah. They just assume you're a piece of shit driving like that.

[A]

Yeah. Where else is there in Salt lake? It's like 80% of the state's population or some chick. Yeah. So here's two stars. South Salt Lake, for the most part is a bunch of industrial buildings with a ton of apartment complexes spread around. Now we're getting the idea. Yeah, it's not looking great. It's nice that there's a transit system that goes through the city making it easy to get around if you don't have a car. There is a lot of trash on the streets. The roads are not kept up and nobody around here seems to pick up their dog's poop. Yeah, I don't.

[B]

It's just everywhere.

[A]

You better hope that's dog poop. Let's put it that way. Here is one star. South Salt Lake City, which it's not. It's just South Salt Lake, but they put. That is a garbage wasteland full of crime. Full of it. Full of it. Yeah. They'll knock on your door and they'll be rude when they ask you if you've accepted Jesus in your life. The cops are too busy hanging out in 7:11 or jerking off in church parking lots. What? That's very specific.

[B]

That's a wild accident accusation.

[A]

It's super specific is what I like about it. It's just specific as shit.

[B]

Jerking.

[A]

Jerking it.

[B]

That's a fucking amazing.

[A]

In the church parking lots, if you enjoy having your shit broken into a random car, window smashed out, or being terrorized by tweakers, come live here. This place sounds great. What a heavenly slice of.

[B]

All the. While cops are just beating off.

[A]

That's why there's shit everywhere. Everywhere. Tweakers. They're just too busy fucking whacking it in the church parking lots. There's a lot of church parking lots there, so I think it would help.

[B]

It's the funniest fucking thing.

[A]

Things to do in this town. Mural Fest.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's about as exciting as it sounds. It's basically. They get murals that last year featured 12 new murals. Oh, and do they put them on.

[B]

Something or is it just like on.

[A]

The shitty industrial buildings that they have, like that everything. So rather than a big metal pile of shit that's rotting, they make something nice on it, which is great, but this isn't really.

[B]

Do they whitewash it and then have them redo it?

[A]

I don't think so. I don't know. Who cares? I don't really care about this at all. But I ain't over it. Who cares? I tried to find something in here of interest in mural. That's all we got, Mural Fest. But it's. You can meet the artists who do murals. I mean, that's fine if you're really into art. That's cool, I guess. I don't know.

[B]

I'm sure that's a very exciting man.

[A]

There's a mural contest, but that's all There is on TripAdvisor's top 10 things to do in this town. The murals top three things are breweries. So it's either drink, go to church, or paint a mural on an old industrial building. That's all they have to do here. So that said, I think it's time everybody to check in and see what's going on. Let's talk about some murder. What do you say?

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

Let's do this. Let's start out hot here. February 22, 1989. All right, this is at.

[B]

That's my birthday.

[A]

That is exactly. Yeah. That is 851-East-45th South. The street names are weird in Utah. This is at the Smith's Food King grocery store.

[B]

That is two different food chains, right?

[A]

That is absolutely two different. Yeah. Smith's used to be in Arizona. I remember for a long time there. And Food King is a whole other thing. So this place. There's a man who is just scouring through the dumpsters outside. He's picking through the dumpsters, looking for very specific things. He's looking for wilted lettuce for his rabbits.

[B]

Okay. I was gonna say he's got a tortoise.

[A]

Yeah. He's got a bunch of rabbits. And he's looking for wilt. Is that he goes through the dumpsters. I don't want any rabbits because I don't want to fucking. I don't want to pick dumpsters. I really don't buy lettuce.

[B]

That might be the only place. Yeah, that's the only place. I want a middleman. Can I just talk to the grocer and be like, if you're going to throw it out, leave it in a pallet and I'll pick it up in the morning.

[A]

I'll leave like a 20 on there for you.

[B]

Yeah. Don't make me dig through that shit. What are you doing?

[A]

So he's doing this, and he's. The bin was about to be emptied, so he ran in ahead of time to try to do this. As he's doing this, he comes across something else. He comes across garbage bags that are all taped up together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And looking pretty suspicious or convenient that maybe the produce. Just a sack full of wilted lettuce. That's all it is. That's heavy, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he's like, this isn't right. Now, outside of a grocery store, though, there's all sorts of meat in that fucking dumpster.

[B]

There could be anything.

[A]

It could be a leg of. There could be a cow's leg in there could be anything.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

You have no idea. But turns out when they. He signifies. Don't dump this dumpster and they call the cops and all that kind of thing. Turns out there are severed legs inside the garbage bags. Taped up. Jesus. Which is crazy because we just had the suitcase case in New Jersey with legs in a suitcase. How often does that happen? And here it's happening here, evidently a lot, all the time. Apparently it's real common. So that's what they find. Just legs. That's it. Severed at the mid thigh.

[B]

Okay, that's pretty high.

[A]

Got a pair of legs. They seem to be from the same person. It's a right and a left again, that's always helpful. There's only one person we're looking for here, so that's good. So based on the these legs, based on some distinguishing scars and a couple other factors we'll talk about, they figure out the identity of the legs. Okay, so it's a guy named Larry Dwayne White. Larry Dwayne white, born in 1937. So he's 52 at this point. And yeah, he's. I mean either he's fucking in a wheelchair right now or there's a bigger problem, you know what I mean? He's dead. So they end up finding. He is a native of Fort Wayne, Indiana. He moved to Utah after graduating high school and studied interior decorating at Brigham Young University, which I wouldn't think they would have. Interior decorating at byu. That makes no sense. Doesn't seem like a what's not allowed in the religion. And yeah, he's taking part in that.

[B]

Very much at all. It's only ladies allowed.

[A]

That's it. You're right. It's just the lady decorators. So he didn't graduate from BYU though. His dad's name is Dale and he lives with his dad in an apartment for about two years. Before this, before his legs were found in a dumpster, he'd been living with his dad in an apartment. His dad's in his 70s, so we find out a little bit more about him. He was trying to be a freelance journalist at the time.

[B]

Really?

[A]

He was telemarketing and trying to be a freelance journalist.

[B]

Oh boy.

[A]

Yeah, it's wild.

[B]

So, poor guy.

[A]

He was last seen by his father a couple days before that. So his dad was able to identify the blood stained sweater that they found with it as well. And there's a scar on the right leg that matches the scar the father said his son had. They said any distinguishing features? He said scar on the leg and they found the scar on the leg. So the amputated legs were obviously discovered by lettuce boy here. And they said after matching blood types and baby footprints obtained from an Indiana hospital.

[B]

How about that?

[A]

Good police work there. You don't Happen to have those stupid things laying around, do you? And they were like, we do, actually. So they were able to determine that it is him. Now they're also looking for his 1972 four door gold Oldsmobile as well. Okay, it's a boat. That thing is a boat. Won't be hard to find. A giant gold boat should stand out. So he was working part time as a telemarketer and spent the rest of his time writing books. He was trying to write books. He had written two books, both unpublished, because this is 89, this is pre Amazon. Unless you wanted to get some paper and glue and start fucking making a craft project at home, it's not gonna happen. Self publishing was extremely expensive and impossible to do. Now with Amazon, you can just click, boom, there you go, it's published. Whereas back then you actually had to have somebody read it, say, oh, this is good, I like this, and then make it. I can sell this totally different thing here. Two books unpublished. And he was working on his third, which was the study of the Mormon faith's practice of baptizing the dead. That was his, which they post posthumously. They posthumously baptize you?

[B]

They baptize a corpse or they do it all the time in theory.

[A]

Really? No, they do it all the time.

[B]

What the fuck?

[A]

Someone doesn't want to be a Mormon. Their families want them to be Mormon. They die. They baptize them after death and go, well, now you're a Mormon.

[B]

That's kind of fucked up.

[A]

I don't want to talk about it. That's interesting. It's a crazy rule to make. Hey, you know what? After they're dead, fine. Doesn't have to be a free will. Someone else could just make it.

[B]

They can't object anymore. You're going to God's kingdom whether you like it or not.

[A]

Whether you like it or not. Well, actually, you're going to a planet and a whole other thing. So he was living with a 76 year old father. He was reported missing by his father on February 20, 1989. So the first thing they go is, well, who's the last person you saw him with? Who does he hang out with? What does he do? Where does he go?

[B]

You know, and he had legs then.

[A]

Clues. Yeah. Did he walk out of the house last time you saw him? Yeah. Okay, so we can date the legs after that. So he said there's one guy he hangs out with, a guy named Roy Anderson is what he says his name is here. Now, Roy said that he got Larry a job and hit this Telemarketing place. And he was taking him to the telemarketing place. They were carpooling, essentially, to work here. And he said, that's the last person I saw him with. He never came home. And I reported him missing. There you go. They said, well, who this Roy Anderson? What's he like? Who is he? And he said, well, he's likable. He says, a likable guy seems friendly enough. He said he's the only person who regularly visits his son. So he goes, that would be the guy I would talk to if I were looking for him. He said that his son taught. Larry, had taught this Roy Anderson to play chess. Oh. And that they've been playing chess all the time together or occasionally or whatever. And they were going to start work at this new telemarketing company. So they go, okay, we got to find this Roy Anderson. Now, that's not easy because, number one, his name isn't Roy Anderson.

[B]

Of course it's not.

[A]

So. Yeah, that's impossible. He's got a bunch of aliases. His name is really. Oh, absolutely. Robert Eugene Bennett is who we're looking for. Double N, double T on the Bennett.

[B]

That's the real name.

[A]

That's his real name. Robert Eugene Bennett goes by Eugene most of the time. If you could choose Robert or Eugene, you're picking Eugene out of that. Okay.

[B]

I don't know. I might go by Gene.

[A]

Yeah, Gene's not terrible, but Rob. Robbie. I guess when you're. When you're a kid, you'd want, like, Robbie probably, right? That sounds like somebody.

[B]

Or Bobby.

[A]

Or Bobby. Yeah. That sounds like, you know, you're out there, like, jumping things on a dirt bike, I think. Yeah. A Robbie Knievels, what I'm saying, with.

[B]

Holes in the knees.

[A]

Yeah. There you go. So this is a guy. He's born in 1938. So right around the same age. A year younger than Larry. He's also known as Joe King. Joe King Bennett, Roy William Anderson. And we'll get to a few other aliases. He has no reason. He's a bounder, we'll call him. He drifts around quite a bit. He's being sought for questioning about the pair of legs just because. And it's not even. They think he did it. They're just questioning.

[B]

Yeah, you're the last guy.

[A]

Where'd you go? Where'd you take him? Where did you see him go? Anywhere? Did you talk to him since then? So they don't. That was February 22nd. They don't catch up. With Robert Eugene Bennett until April 6th, 1989. So years later, a month and a half it was 1989.

[B]

Oh, 89.

[A]

Same year. But a month and a half it took to track this guy down, which is actually not bad for 1989.

[B]

It's pretty good.

[A]

Especially because he's not in the Salt Lake area when they find him.

[B]

Where they get him.

[A]

He's not even in Utah. He's in Las Vegas, which is the opposite of Utah. Sure, polar opposite.

[B]

It's the Sodom of their Gomorrah.

[A]

Exactly. So they are there. The reason why they find him there is because the federal authorities find him. Oh, because this had been. The local cops notified the federal authorities that they might be looking for a fugitive. And they ended up finding that Robert Eugene Bennett had opened up a post office box in Larry Dwayne White's name.

[B]

Really?

[A]

He has his identification. Also when they find him, he also applied for a reprint of Larry's birth certificate from the state of Indiana. That's like he's becoming Larry.

[B]

Identity theft.

[A]

Yeah, that's what he's doing. He's becoming Larry. He's got all of his information. When they search the boarding house room that he's staying at, he's classy, this guy. That's what he is.

[B]

Boarding room?

[A]

Yeah, boarding house. Which sounds like it's from the 19th century, doesn't it?

[B]

I didn't know they existed in the.

[A]

Late 80s, but they do, apparently. So they ended up saying that they found identification and other papers belonging to Larry Dwayne White. They were recovered following a search of the boarding house there. According to the search warrant, they also recovered a five shot.38 caliber handgun from Bennett's belongings. In addition to rubber gloves, electrician's tape and a roll of black plastic garbage bags. You know, a murder kit. That's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good lord. That is a murder kit is what he's got there.

[B]

Why do you.

[A]

That's dangerous.

[B]

And you're becoming somebody else. You have got a lot of questions.

[A]

Yeah, and that's somebody else. We found his legs in a dumpster, so let's chat. In addition to that, they also found several sets of license plates. Oh, okay. That were stolen from a car belonging to the man who owns a home near where Bennett rented a tiny one bedroom apartment with his dad, right? No, no, Bennett. The guy that found in Vegas. That way. Yeah. Okay, so this guy, the guy with the license plates, when they take them back to him, they say, he says, yes, I know that guy. That Robert Eugene Bennett. No, by a Different name, but yeah. He rented a tiny one bedroom residence which is hidden from the road behind a bunch of bushes right by my house.

[B]

Was it Roy Anderson?

[A]

It's something. He didn't know his name, but he said, I know that guy. Yeah, he lived right there. Also they found, they said, two or three quote, unquote from the sheriff, two or three books on how to manipulate the system and hide your identity. Why? They said, quote, he is what you'd call a master of deceit. Which will absolutely be the name of this episode. Master of deceit. He said, you can see this guy is running from something. He said that he's been living underground under assumed or adopted names for more than a decade. They figured out what is the reason. He said, it's really spooky. We don't have any idea how many times this may have happened before or how many people this guy may have done in. Oh, now they're thinking he definitely killed this guy. Stole his fucking identity. Could be doing this all over the country. Because he's been underground using aliases. We don't even know where he's been for how long.

[B]

We don't even know.

[A]

No clue. Well, we don't. There's a. There's a starting point and we'll figure it out. The starting point of where they can figure out how long he's been out there is even scarier than what we just found. Anyway, now in jail. He's in jail awaiting trial on federal Social Security fraud indictments. They haven't charged him with murder yet. Cause they don't have to because he's sitting in jail. He's been questioned numerous times about White's death, but he refuses to say shit. Really? He's a pro. Criminal, it sounds like, is what it is. So they want to search his home, which is at 664 East Kings Lane. And the landlord said that he had lived there between December and February. December 88, February 89. And then left right after the legs incident here. He said. Then he just disappeared. So they said this matches up with the license plates that were there and all that kind of thing. He also had Larry White's ID and all that kind of shit too. So they say, we'd love to find the rest of Larry White. That'd be great if we could do that. So they're like, we gotta search the residents his residence. Maybe there's clues there. So they search his ex residence, the one he lived in for three months. And while they're outside, they notice a bare patch of Ground, empty spot. There's weeds covering everything except in this one spot where it's bare. So that's a giveaway. It's big there between the house and a six foot picket fence alongside the south side of the home. And the captain said, quote, we were acting on a hunch, noting that the owner of the property also thought the patch looked suspicious. So the detectives dig about 8 inches into the ground and they hit concrete. Oh, concrete. They're like, that's fucking concrete. They dig around. It's a big piece of concrete. It's not just a chunk of concrete that was in there, it's concrete. So they're like, what the fuck? So they get, they pry up the concrete, they find the edges of it, they pry it up. And then they said as soon as they did that they caught a whiff of decomposing flesh.

[B]

Decomp right away.

[A]

Yeah, they said about 2ft farther down they found a torso, no arms.

[B]

Oh boy.

[A]

Mid thigh up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No head, no arms. Torso also wrapped in plastic bags stuffed between two pipes. So he dug down to where the pipes were, he got low, put it in there, put the dirt back on, poured concrete over it. Concrete capped it, then more wood or more dirt. That's. Wow, that's impressive. Hey everybody. Just gonna tell you about a great way to relax into your couch this time or into your bed or wherever.

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[A]

I mean, that's effort.

[B]

That's a lot of work.

[A]

That's something. So they. They started digging. They found the Torso at about 8pm and it was about 30 inches underground, wedged between a pipe and the septic tank. That's where it was. So then Tuesday morning, the next day, they come back and dig up another patch alongside the southern foundation of the home where under a patch of concrete, another patch of concrete wrapped in three plastic bags held together with electrician's tape, they find the head.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

There it is. That is Larry Dwayne White's head.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So now they have most of this person.

[B]

We're pretty close.

[A]

We're missing some arms still.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Doing all right?

[A]

We're doing good.

[B]

Yeah. It's coming together.

[A]

It's. Yeah, you're like we said with the other one where your. Your hangman game is almost complete. So this is terrible. Obviously they said that an upper plate was being compared to the dental charts just to make sure this isn't someone else's fucking head. Even though the dad said that's my son, but still you have to make sure. Anyway, this is horrifying. Obviously they're trying to figure it out. The head was about 35 inches down. So that's three feet.

[B]

Yeah. So you got a head and the torso of guy on your. And then you run around. I guess. I guess he ran out of bags of concrete.

[A]

Maybe dumping. Dumping legs and dumpsters, which makes no sense.

[B]

Why do you do that?

[A]

So they said the torso was clad in. Only in white shorts. They also found work gloves down there, a penny and a small neck chain. Like a small necklace. Yeah, that belonged to Larry. Now the torso luckily shows the cause of death because the legs didn't. So we don't know. It is five bullet holes from a.38 caliber.

[B]

All emptied it.

[A]

Emptied it. All five. And that's what they found. So they have a gun now they're gonna compare that to the bullets removed from the torso. Pretty soon here they said, you know, everything wrapped in plastic. To me, the concrete port over the top is the wild part. That is.

[B]

That's really. That's a lot.

[A]

Yeah. And they said that this is interesting with the concrete because they said it's kind of genius. This is the police talking. They said anybody who's just digging around accidentally, not a police looking for a body, but if someone was just digging for something in the backyard and they hit concrete, they'd stop.

[B]

Stop. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I don't know what's under there, but I'm not gonna find out. It's probably pipes or something. Nobody wants disturb. Fuck it. I'll move over there.

[B]

It's just a hard dig. I mean, we'll move somewhere else.

[A]

Yeah, that's it. So they said that's pretty genius. They said, basically. And they said this is an ingenuity possibly born from experience, is what the captain of the police force said. This is not something you do the first time you kill somebody. This is a thing that you do. They said the head was well preserved and dental records are used to identify it. And it is him. And oh, by the way, the.38 caliber matches the bullets that are found in him. So they send the leg bones to the FBI crime lab in Quantico to compare it with the torso just to make sure they go together. Even though the head is definitely him from dental records, the legs are definitely him. From the scar, the torsos, we assume it's him, but it might be from somebody else. They're trying to put it all together here.

[B]

Let's. Let's do our legwork here. No pun. Let's run it out and make sure we got the right thing.

[A]

Absolutely. And they discover that he was dissected, if you want to put it that way. That's the way this newspaper article put it. After he died, he was shot and killed first and then cut off. So that's good. At least he wasn't fucking cut up.

[B]

All these bisected though, right? To use the right term.

[A]

Well, bi is two.

[B]

Call that okay.

[A]

The newspaper called it dissected. Yeah. There's more than one cut. It's dissected.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

At that point, yeah. Or two, if you cut it in more than one. Two pieces, I think. But I'm not a scientist and neither are you, so we don't know.

[B]

Also not a linguistic.

[A]

We're also idiots. That's the other thing. So the arms here, they never found the arms. Oh, never. What? They never find his arms ever.

[B]

I guess you just give up, right? Well, you gotta.

[A]

The sheriff said we dug up the whole countryside. We did not find those. He said, there's a possibility they may have been put in a dumpster. Like the legs, we don't know. And someone wasn't searching for lettuce in that one. Because if that guy wasn't searching for lettuce, that dumpster was about to get dumped. Literally. The garbage truck was in the parking lot. So you wouldn't have found the legs either. And you wouldn't have for the torso.

[B]

Without him and his goddamn rabbits, we wouldn't even known to look for Larry.

[A]

No, we wouldn't. Larry would be a disappeared person. That's it. That's all you know about him? So they search a little more. They go to the. There's a shed on the property and they tear that shed apart too. And in there they find a hacksaw in the shed that is perfect for cutting people up. They're like, that's gonna be gross. We should do that. So they said, when we started, this is the police chief deputy, he says, when we started, all we had was a set of legs with different socks. Cause there was different socks on the legs. He said, if we hadn't found the legs, it would have been just a city case classified as a missing person. They wouldn't have put out the federal thing that wouldn't have caught him with the identity theft. They wouldn't have found any of this shit. They would have just said, if this guy pops up, give us a call.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So it's very interesting. They praised the detectives, the sheriffs said that it was a tough case, they did a good job. They just wouldn't let loose of any little piece of evidence they got. It goes back again to the basics. So this was old fashioned police work. Just old fashioned. One thing leads to another, leads to another, and you follow the leads. Now Bennett is still not talking, is that right? He still wants to shut up. He's been interviewed. Refused to talk about either the White murder or any of the other crimes, whether his identity theft, anything. One of the officers said, we hope he'll cooperate, but one way or the other, we're gonna take a hard look at what we have and where we are in our investigation. So whether he talks or not, he's getting charged, I think is what it is. So Larry's dad recalls to the newspaper having Bennett over the house to eat with him. Oh. And he said, my son blessed the food. And then I sat down and ate dinner with the man who was going to kill my son. Jesus. That's a dark way to look at it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's not look at it like that. What do you say there, Larry's dad, Dale. So he's being held without bail on the federal charges. He's being held over for trial because he's a flight risk. They say so, yeah, they have a trial set for June 7, and the maximum federal prison sentence for that is five years in prison. So, yeah, he tries to get bail, but they don't let him. They don't let him get bail. Finally, May 10, 1989, second degree murder charges are filed against him on a state level. Yeah, so they're saying that they filed second degree rather than first degree because they could not prove any aggravating circumstances accompanied the murder. Like premeditation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The autopsy showed the mutilation occurred after he was dead. So they can't say that it's extra painful and extra torturous. He shot a guy a bunch of times and then the rest of it's kind of academic at that point. Once he's dead, you know, that's not the same. Now this all seems like enough bullshit for this guy to be into, right? Enough trouble. Well, that's when detectives in Beaverton, Oregon come a calling. Yeah, they want to chat. They contacted law enforcement because he had lived in Beaverton. So these sheriffs in Utah contacted Beaverton, Oregon to say, we got this guy. He seems like a real scumbag. Just want to know if you're looking for him essentially, since he lived there. So they go, as a matter of.

[B]

Fact, we are looking for him.

[A]

We've been looking for him and wanting to talk to him for about 12 years now, or 11 years now, because on February 22, 1978, 11 years to the day, his wife went missing.

[B]

Why does he love that day?

[A]

And then he disappeared.

[B]

What the fuck?

[A]

This is crazy. His wife in 1978, Flo. Her name is Floy. F L O Y. That's what I see. Floy. Jean Bennett is her name. She goes by Jeannie. Everybody calls her Jeannie. She disappeared February 22, 1978, which is crazy. Now the detectives in Beaverton said they are gonna drive down to Utah to figure this out because they're like, that's the same day. This is too much of a coincidence. So they said, we've never had any substantial information which linked Mr. Bennet to his wife's disappearance. With Mr. Bennett's arrest with this charge in Salt Lake City, it certainly sheds a bright light on our investigation up here.

[B]

We'd like to talk, especially because he.

[A]

Tried to disappear the guy, which Is because they never found Jeannie. Jeannie disappeared on February 22, 1978. She was a court reporter married to Robert Eugene Bennett. And she had left work. That's what we know. She left work because she was there. And then Bennett told police that she was going out shopping, basically. She's described as a slim, pretty court reporter for. For the County Circuit Judge, Richard J. Burke, and vanished. Now, Bennett.

[B]

They do be shopping, James. Not that much.

[A]

Ladies be shopping.

[B]

Yeah, they don't do it that much. That's 11 years.

[A]

She's still shopping. Smoke coming off that fucking Visa card going through there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

According to the police, Robert told them that she left the home, she left work, came home, and then about 7:30pm she left to go shopping at Washington Square and has never been seen or heard from since.

[B]

That's a hell of a sale.

[A]

That's something. Now, we've heard there's been several episodes where women disappear from malls. It's a good place to kidnap a woman, essentially, back in the day.

[B]

Even kids?

[A]

Even kids, yeah. They didn't have cameras out there and nobody cared. But Ted Bundy tried it. And so that's where people are.

[B]

That's what gave us America's Most Wanted, for fuck's sake.

[A]

Well, I mean, that's where people are. So you can pick out a person. It's like having a buffet of victims there, essentially. So they said, you know, I don't know. But they. So they took his word for it. At the time, they were suspicious of him. But people disappear all the time. The only thing is, they know she didn't just take off. They thought about it, because she had, and this is in 1978, an $18,000 a year job, which was good money in 1978.

[B]

That's a good job.

[A]

It's a real good job. And had just recently inherited $90,000 in 1978 money.

[B]

She's doing great.

[A]

Yeah. And so she was doing wonderful for herself. She liked her jobs, she liked her job. And her relatives and friends said she would not disappear. She was thrilled with her life right now. They said, we don't know. They tried to say that maybe she would start a new life, but they don't think of that at all. Why would she leave all the money behind? That's crazy. They think she was abducted or was murdered, basically. And the investigators know nothing. Basically, she just vanished into thin air. Nobody saw her at the mall that night, so she didn't make it to the mall. They also said at the time that she was a prolific check Writer wrote checks for everything, never used cash, and had not written one or used her credit card in months afterwards. So they're like. That is not like her. She has not withdrawn any funds from at least two substantial bank accounts. It's a thing you have to be able to live. To be able to live, you need money. So they said there was no withdrawals before she took off. She wasn't taking money out to store it up. None of that happened either. And she made no attempt to pick up her checks from court reporting, which were being held by the judge for her. So they're like, people don't just leave behind money, they leave behind other things. People, kids, legs, they leave all sorts of shit behind. Cars, they don't leave money behind. They just don't. So they weren't real concerned at the time. This is 1978. In 1978, they still weren't really concerned. They thought, ah, who knows, maybe she went, you know, to the coast to do acid or something. Who knows? She's 10 years late on the hippie thing. Who cares? Yeah, you know, we don't know.

[B]

Women just started being able to buy homes on their own. Maybe she's just, who knows, Jacked up with a man somewhere.

[A]

We don't know. And back then they said runaways, adults and juveniles were way more common. It just was. Police files across the country, they said, were just overflowing with missing person reports or people who eventually turn up alive and well, and they just left home for reasons of their own that their friends and family didn't know about. However, five days after she disappeared, this is the fucked up part, she disappears for five days. Her husband reported her missing, said she took off. Five days later, he calls the cops again and says, this is crazy. I came home today and her car's in the driveway now. Oh, now her car's just there.

[B]

She's been here.

[A]

She must have been here, he said. And also some suitcases and some of her clothes also missing from the house. So she apparently came home in her car, packed up and took the fuck off with somebody else or got into.

[B]

Another car or walked down the road with all of her suitcase.

[A]

That's it. With all of her shit like Steve Martin and the Jerk just fucking wandering down, sleeves hanging out of there. That's it in this paddle ball game. So police searched the car thoroughly and they found nothing suspicious. At that point, the newspaper attempted to contact Mr. Bennett, who worked as a freelance court reporter, the one we're talking about, but he was, quote, out of state on Some business. But the thing is, he never fucking came back. He never came back.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

And he told people. He told people that his wife had left him. He just said she left, she took off. He wasn't even concerned. He told several people connected to the newspaper that he thought his spouse had left for a warmer climate and would not be returning. She just was looking for some sunshine.

[B]

Well, she grabbed her suitcase, just a bunch of shorts and T shirts. I don't think she's going to. Yeah, not Montana.

[A]

A couple of sundresses, maybe. That's it. I think. No, no, closed toed shoes. I'd go with Florida. I'm not sure. San Diego bound, Not positive. So that's what he said. Friends and relatives, as well as the employers told the newspaper that that's not characteristic of her. It's just not. She's not a I'm gonna go right now type of person. If she was going somewhere, she'd plan it a long time. It'd be a big deal. She'd tell everybody about it. So it's very interesting that everybody around describes her as reliable and very punctual, including the judge she works for. And he'll judge you if you're not reliable.

[B]

That's his job to do.

[A]

He's very judgmental, that judge. Yeah, we know that. Joanna Rush, a friend of Mrs. Bennet for 23 years, described her as a very private person, very reliable, particularly where her job was concerned. She's not gonna just not do that. Not show up for work and abandon her job.

[B]

Takes it dead serious. Yeah.

[A]

He said she's also very reserved around strangers. She's not someone who would run into somebody, say, in a mall parking lot and run away with them that night. This is not her. She's private and not like that. Her friend said she was uncomfortable if she was going to meet someone and knew she would have to walk in by herself. Oh, she's uncomfortable with it. Which, you know, that's an interesting fact because some people who are very. She'll walk into a biker bar by herself, somebody might take her, she might get disappeared, or she might put herself in a situation that's dangerous. Whereas this woman, it's like she's not putting herself in these situations. So if something happened, it had to be thrust upon her. And that description's another one of her friend who was Judge Burke's secretary and a friend of Mrs. Bennet who said she liked to have a good time, but only with people that she knew and in situations where she was comfortable.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You Know, a friend has a little gathering, a little dinner party. She'll have a couple glasses of wine and have a laugh. But she's not someone who's like, let's go to the nightclub tonight and meet a bunch of people. That's not her type of thing.

[B]

Or if somebody approached her in a party lot, said, let's go have a drink. She wouldn't go with them.

[A]

No, she wouldn't do it. She'd be worried to do it. Exactly. So that's. She wouldn't put herself in a situation that was dangerous. Not knowing it was dangerous, just, you know, trying to have a good time. So her sister said that the situation just didn't feel right to her. She said, I think anybody could meet someone and run off for a couple days or a couple weeks, but would later make contact. Yeah, she might have done that. She could have taken off for San Diego. But she's not just going to not talk to her family. She had no beef with her family. She might leave her husband, but she'll call her sister and say, hey, I'm alive. Don't tell Robert where I am. You do that. So now, her mother referred to an earlier time when she had left home, actually, and didn't make contact for some time back in the day. She said, jeannie and I talked about that, about how a person could do that. She knows how I feel. She would call after that and say, I'm not coming home. So she. Her mom sat her down, said, that really freaked me out when you were gone for a couple of weeks. You can't do that. So she said, quote, I think she's dead. Oh, my God, this is in 1978. She's talking. Yeah, I think she's dead. I thought that from the beginning. As soon as she heard she was missing, she's dead. Yeah. She said a final feeling that this is it. I have a gut feeling that just tells me she took too good of care of herself and had too many things to just walk away and leave. She's built a life for herself here. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And she's got 90 grand.

[A]

90 grand and a good job. So now the cops hear all of this and they go, yeah, but none of that. That's all helpful. But if there's no evidence, we can't do anything except say it's a missing person. At that point, there's no evidence of foul play. There's no blood of hers or anything like that where they would be looking for a corpse. They're just. All they can do is Put out a missing person status thing. They said that the investigation is doing exactly what it has to do, but they said there's no evidence to prove or disprove almost any theory that anyone wants to advance. Right. He said our preliminary investigation got us nowhere. So now we'll have to start over again from ground zero. This time, though, we'll make a close look at the possibility of a homicide. Okay, so if they only had really been looking at her as a missing person. But as time goes by, the chances that she's just missing and will come back on her own kind of wanes. As time goes by, yeah, it gets slimmer and slimmer. So the cops ask the public for help, you know, too. They have to. They need help. So there's big article in the paper, police hunt for woman, which sounds really scary. The cops are horny. Everybody get in your houses. The police hunt for a woman.

[B]

You knew that when you looked in the. In the parking lot.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, in the church parking lot. That's what keeps them from doing that. So they asked the public's aide in the investigation in 1978. And so there's like, where's Jeannie? Help find Jeannie. They said her husband reported her car was there and suitcases and everything else. They give all the info that Everybody has at 1978. They decide, let's dig up this fucking yard in this house.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

They didn't trust Robert then. They were like, we're digging this yard up, motherfucker. So they do. They go ahead and they dig up a piece of property where they believed a body could be buried. They found a spot that looked good. They dug up a whole area. Nothing. They found nothing in 1978. So then on March 17, which is less than a month after she disappeared, Robert Bennett files for divorce on Jean. Oh, he's trying to go through with. She must have left me. Yeah. So he filed to dissolve the marriage on the grounds of irreconcilable differences, and then later asked that the petition be dismissed.

[B]

Oh, he doesn't want to be divorced now.

[A]

Seems like he thought that would make him look more innocent, like he didn't know where she was. And she abandoned him then said, actually, that looks worse. Never mind.

[B]

It sure does.

[A]

That looks way worse. Her sister then petitioned the court successfully to become the conspiracy conservator of her estate until her whereabouts could be established. So he couldn't spend her 90 grand, essentially. So in the meantime, they said the investigation goes on. And I quote the newspaper from the cops, quote, it is not likely to fade away quietly. That is the last newspaper article I found about that investigation.

[B]

Faded away very quietly.

[A]

Faded away very quietly. It faded away. So where did he go? Where did Bennett go?

[B]

Where?

[A]

When he took off? Well, not long after the wife disappeared, he went underground.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We knew that he adopted different names and moved frequently. Oh, all over Oregon, Utah, all over the area. And they were basically, at this point now, knowing his aliases, knowing about his wife. Now they're trying to link his aliases to any other missing people. Okay, anybody last seen with a guy with the name of his alias.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

What about that? They found out that he moved to Reno. That was the first move after his wife disappeared. Then this is from the cops. Quote, disappeared for 10 years. Awesome. Poof. Gone. Which you could do in the 80s, from the 70s in Reno.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In Reno especially. Yeah. You could just live in a brothel. No one would care.

[B]

Reno's the portal to the unknown.

[A]

To hell. Yeah, it is. So then he wound up. They said he apparently traveled across the United States, then wound up in California. Wow. Then moved back to Oregon, made a full rectangle around the country where he. And this is maybe the craziest thing he's done so far, even though he's fucking allegedly murdered a man and chopped him up and buried him in different places. He married his brother's widow.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

This isn't the 1850s. You don't do that. No.

[B]

That's weird.

[A]

Yeah. You do that in the 1800s when it's like, well, I might as well take care of my brother's kids too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's. You know, Seth Bullock on Deadwood did that.

[B]

They need a man around.

[A]

Yeah. So you just do that. That's just stepping up. I had to step up, take care of his family in 1986. You didn't do that. That's just weird. Just creepy at that point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the police said that they. The police in Utah then said, given all these developments, quote, we may go back and do some more digging ourselves. What's happened there certainly does shed some light on our investigation. Yeah. He's still not talking, by the way. Oh, he won't ask questions, answer questions about the severed leg case about White. He won't answer questions about his car, his residences, where his relatives live, nothing.

[B]

What?

[A]

Anything. And any question, he will just say, no comment. Very sternly. No comment, no comment, over and over again.

[B]

Does he know that that looks bad? Right.

[A]

He's gotta. He can say, I'm not gonna talk. Cause I want my attorney and that's fine. But he's just saying, no comment. No comment. One of the cops said, quote or. I'm sorry. This is his lawyer that he retained. He's very street smart. He's been. This is hilarious. He's been living underground for 11 years now, which makes him sound like a troll who lives beneath the city. We get what he's saying.

[B]

Beneath the street.

[A]

Yeah. If his light shines, he goes. He, like, runs away. Yay. Scatters, they said. And is now a suspect in his wife's death. And he knows better than to talk. He really doesn't need defense attorneys. That's from his defense attorney. Oh, I'm superfluous. Don't really need me.

[B]

He doesn't need us because he's not giving up anything to defend himself to.

[A]

Yeah. So then they said, how many more people could he possibly have killed? They said, if they can get this murder charge to stick, they can possibly be able. Now they have him somewhere, they can use evidence to maybe link him to other disappearances and murders all over the country. They believe that he may be responsible for other homicides. And because of that, they prepare a lengthy profile detailing Larry White's homicide and Bennett and send it to the FBI's violent crime apprehension Program. They want a profile, essentially. They want them to see if this type of person would be killing more people and see if they also have cases to connect to it. So they say maybe they can lead to other murders being solved outside of Utah, which would make sense here. They said that the documents and things and some of the stuff he had on him in Las Vegas linked him not only to Larry White, but to several other people who sheriff's detectives have been unable to track down. In other words, he has identifications of people who are not around, who are missing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you think? And then he knows to bury under concrete. There's a lot of this. He's done this a lot.

[B]

And Nevada is widespread. Really, the whole west desert is widespread.

[A]

Nothing but land.

[B]

Yeah, nothing but land.

[A]

So much land. He said, we'd like to know who and where these people are and whether they are all right. I don't think they're all right. I'll be honest with you.

[B]

I'm gonna guess.

[A]

Yeah. How else did he get their IDs and all their info and shit? So the investigators at the scene believe the manner in which the body was disposed indicates a practice pattern, something he may have found, worked in the past and believed would work again.

[B]

Continuously.

[A]

Continuously. So they keep looking into it. May 16, 1989. Six days after he's arrested, United States federal government drops the charge against Bennett.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They could always reinstate it, but they dropped the charge because he's got bigger fish to fry in Utah with the murder case here. So they said the rare charge for. With the. For which the defendant was held without bail effectively kept him in custody until he was charged with second degree murder. That's all they were doing. It was a hold. So he's all set to go to trial.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, he's got the dead man's things. Doesn't look real good.

[B]

Cop a plea.

[A]

Pretrial. They're fighting over whether they're gonna let the wife stuff in.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Cause if you hear his wife's missing too, and we found him with a bunch of other stuff that's not good at all, you holler. Right.

[B]

Let's talk about this.

[A]

This looks real bad. He says, I'm gonna go ahead and plead guilty on this one. Okay. I don't think I can win this. Yeah. So to avoid it, he pleads guilty. His attorney in court said that Bennett wanted to minimize the exposure of details about his private life.

[B]

Oh, you know, about how bad a guy I am.

[A]

Yeah. If we go to trial, there's way more investigations on me, which is gonna find more bodies in other states and all this type of shit. I don't wanna do that. He said also about the mutilation. He didn't wanna talk about that. He didn't want that coming up in trial and having it be all salacious. He's just concerned about the public here. That's all it is.

[B]

Yeah. I don't want his family to go through some unnecessary stress.

[A]

But not only that, it's just bad for everybody. You know what I mean? People, they don't want to hear that kind of thing. They just don't. That's what he said.

[B]

And you're not going to win. When a guy's body is found on your property and you're becoming him, it's over.

[A]

You opened a PO box in his name. Yeah. So. Yeah. He suspected of shooting and dismembering. His chess partner, pleads guilty. And he also says that he didn't want the victim's family to suffer any longer. Just didn't want to drag this out. That's crazy. Yeah.

[B]

Gotta settle this.

[A]

When asked by the judge if he committed the crime, he nodded and said quietly, absolutely. That's his yes. Absolutely.

[B]

That's not yes. That is absolute.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Shake with that. Absolutely. That is not. Did you murder this man and dismember him and bury him in your yard? Absolutely.

[B]

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[B]

Possible. Absolutely.

[A]

Absolutely. The judge said absolutely. I would love to get you in prison forever. That'd be terrific. And he is ordered to serve the maximum penalty for this, which is this. Utah's so weird. We've gone over this before. You sir may fuck off. Five years to.

[B]

Life.

[A]

Okay. Which I don't mind actually because it gives, it gives leeway in situations because every second degree murder isn't the same. Sure. If a guy when he was 17 shot some fucking 711 clerk or something that is way different than a 50 year old man dismembering his friend and burying him in the fucking yard. You know what I.

[B]

Mean? Yeah. But you're putting a lot of trust in a three person panel to keep this motherfucker behind bars if they.

[A]

Don'T. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's. You have to be obviously careful. Absolutely. But at the same time, I don't like, not, I don't like 25.

[B]

To life for a guy that I don't know. There's not a cloudy, cloudy.

[A]

Case. Cloudy case or a case of something that just happened or something like that, that, that's a little bit rough. And when that's the minimum, when they have to be, you know, minimum, it's a mandatory life of 40 or 50 years. That's kind of tough because it doesn't give the judge any leeway. Sure. But at the same time, if your Relative's murdered and you hear five years to life, you're like, hold on, wait a.

[B]

Second. Every. After five years, every year, I gotta go listen to. I gotta go plead for him to be kept. But in a case like this, there's no fucking way after six years of letting him.

[A]

Out. You'd have to be the greatest salesman on earth to get out in five years of a murder.

[B]

Charge. So he is a telemarketer, isn't.

[A]

He? That's.

[B]

True. Never mind. That was Larry. Well, Larry got.

[A]

Larry. He got Larry the job. He was telemarketing. So he's real full of shit. We know.

[B]

That. He's selling long distance, for Christ's.

[A]

Sake. He could sell anything. You hear that pin drop? That's mci. That's an old reference. So his defense attorney said his client has, quote, accepted full responsibility for the murder and was anxious to accept the consequences of his actions. To.

[B]

Accept.

[A]

Anxious. It's a real weird, strange way to. Fucking weird way to put that. Accept the. Give them to.

[B]

Me. I accept them and anxious for.

[A]

It. Anxious. He said in Mr. Bennett's words, he doesn't want to, quote, desecrate the victim or his father and the family.

[B]

Anymore.

[A]

Anymore. I'm done with it. Yeah, let's. To make sure he goes, I didn't use that weird terminology in there. That's his words. He said he wants to spare the man's family the agony and pain of going through it all over again in a trial and said, let's just get on with it. He says he's conducted. The lawyer says he's conducted several soul searching interviews with his client over the last week and felt the man sincerely didn't want any more of his private life and the details of the mutilation exposed during the process of the trial. He knows, just like everything he has is buried under a layer of concrete with dirt on top of it. And he's like, let's keep that dirt on top of the.

[B]

Concrete. Let's not chisel any of that.

[A]

Free. Yeah, because how many. Because if you look into it and you keep looking into it, and they would. They're going to find his previous residences. They're going to find them, they're going to find their yards, they're going to dig them.

[B]

Up. So many more.

[A]

Bodies. They're going to find bodies. And he knows that shit. I think, personally, he said, he emphasized to me several times that he wanted to end the matter as quickly as possible and wanted to be sentenced right away. Yeah, put me in prison. Forget about all the other shit, all.

[B]

This. Make all of it go.

[A]

Away. And he's smart about that, too, because honestly, like, time and manpower is the main concern when it comes to this stuff. So if they have him in prison for five to life for murder, that's.

[B]

It. All the time in the.

[A]

World. Yeah, they're probably just going to shut up about it. I mean, Oregon might go up his ass with a microscope for about his wife, but other than that, everybody else is just going to kind of go away. But if there's a trial, ooh, forget about it. And also the district judge said that in the hearing that he heard, he decided to plead guilty rather than delay justice. And the defense attorney also said, I don't think I could have been given an adequate defense without stretching the letter of the law. I don't want to corrupt the system that way. So really, it's really a favor for you, for everyone. The lawyer, he just wants to be a real upstanding guy. And Robert, of course, doesn't want to put anybody through anything. God.

[B]

Forbid. No, that's.

[A]

Tough. He doesn't want that. So he is sentenced to. You, sir, may fuck off. Five years to life. Okay, now, April 5th.

[B]

1991.

[A]

Yeah. Two years later, I will read an article from Idaho here. Okay? Quote, Idaho authorities are looking into similarities between last week's grisly discovery of a mummified of mummified human limbs in a cave near Dubois or dubois, with the 89 dismemberment of a salt Lake man. Clark County Sheriff Craig King said Thursday that he was contacted by Utah detectives who investigated the February 1989 murder of Larry Dwayne White, who was shot and cut into pieces. Robert Eugene Bennett pleaded guilty to the slaying. Salt Lake county detectives Manny Lassig said lawmen have long suspected Bennett of similar crimes. Bennett has repeatedly refused to talk. Lassig said, quote, he's dangerous and he's really scary. This guy is very dangerous, this man. After talking to. To this detective that. The Idaho detective said there's parallels between the White homicide and the gruesome discovery of human arms and legs by artifact hunters in a.

[B]

Cave. Oh, shit.

[A]

Damn. They found something that's an artifact, all right. Well, not really, because it's not mad made, but it's.

[B]

Something. He said they're up there looking for pots and shit and they. Arms and.

[A]

Legs. They're looking for something from the Bronze Age, and they come across a fucking fresh arm. He said the limbs have been matched to the torso of an unidentified man found about a Hundred feet deeper in the cave. Nearly 12 years ago. Wow. When he was touring around the country in that area. So they had found that. Hadn't found. They found just a torso. Said no arms and legs. And then 12 years later, they find fucking legs. Wow. That would have been 1979. He would have been killed. That is crazy. The cause of death was undetermined. This is the dumbest thing ever written in a newspaper. The cause of death was undetermined, but police have always considered it a homicide. No shit. Deep in a cave with his arms and legs cut off. He had to have done this to himself. He couldn't take it.

[B]

Anymore. No, James, you don't understand. The police work that went into this. They figured it.

[A]

Out. Wow. Holy shit. Long suspected. Now, this is the crazy part, because it's five to life. It's not five as a minimum. And then you get a parole hearing. It is. You get a parole hearing when it comes up for.

[B]

Five.

[A]

Oh. So August of 1992 is his first parole.

[B]

Hearing.

[A]

Jesus. It seems like that's just a waste of resources to have parole any kind of time. Three years after a dismemberment murder goes to trial. That seems silly. He decides not to go to the hearing. He doesn't even want to.

[B]

Try. Yeah. What's the.

[A]

Point? What could you say to them, Please? I'm feeling much better now. I know I dismembered him. My wife's missing. There's a case in Idaho. This is all a mess, but I feel good. You should let me go. I'm gonna really turn my life.

[B]

Around. He could go in and do a hot five about and he could dismemberment.

[A]

Jokes. But they're gonna laugh at him. But not laugh with.

[B]

Him. Cause he.

[A]

Knows. Not laugh with.

[B]

Him. You're not letting me out. What's the.

[A]

Point? He's laughing. They're laughing at him. Unfortunately. April 2004, parole board hearing. He decided to appear at this one. He did not appear at the original one and almost opted to be. He said he almost opted to not come to this one either because he hasn't had a parole hearing in 12 years. Right. He said, I didn't want to face this, but I'm glad I did come down here. As uncomfortable as it is, he. You know, they asked him about obviously killing people, and he Killing Larry White. And he says, I did it. He finally admits.

[B]

It. Oh.

[A]

Fuck. He admits it. He said, I shot him. He said it was a fit of anger and frustration. We were in the car going to the Telemarketing job. And he said Larry White began groping.

[B]

Him.

[A]

Oh. Just reached over, wanted to touch his cock and balls a little bit. He said, okay. He said, quote, I lost it, really. I pulled over and tried to push him off me and started getting more frustrated and just released a whole bunch of anger, I guess. I shot him five times.

[B]

Dude. So he's saying Larry tried to.

[A]

Rape me in the car while I was driving also, which is. You don't usually try to rape the driver. That's. It's bad form. Everyone's gonna end up in a bad spot after that. So Larry tried to grope him. He pulled over. The only way to get him out of the car was to shoot him five times. And then he said, well, might as well start.

[B]

Dismembering.

[A]

Okay. He said, quote, I have no words I can contribute to alleviate the shame I have for this or the guilt I feel. The frustration of several years of failure got to me, and I lost control. Several years of failure, or someone was trying to rape you? Which one is it? Yeah. Now, his lawyer said, and the parole board people said that he's been a model prisoner who has taken advantage of available programs and has, quote, made life pleasant for the corrections officers around.

[B]

You. All.

[A]

Right? And he's admitted to everything. So she said the question for the parole board will be this. Is someone on the parole board, quote, what's a life worth in terms of time? They said, you're admitting to it, and you've done all the things that we ask you to do.

[B]

So. Yeah. How long can we legally and feasibly keep you to say you've been.

[A]

Punished, you've done all the things that we've asked of you, but is it enough time that's gone by? And Bennett said, quote, I don't think there's any amount of time to compensate for taking a person's life. If you gave me natural life with no chance of parole, I'd be prepared for that. Whatever you do, I can.

[B]

Handle.

[A]

Okay. So the result is keep handling it because you're not getting paroled.

[B]

Asshole. Show us next.

[A]

Time. Show us next time. Yeah. During the parole hearing, he claimed that he shot him on impulse and did all that. But the parole board chairman, Michael Sibbett, said it was a cold, premeditated slang. He said he didn't admit to that. He tried to act like he admitted he killed him, but he didn't admit why and how. He said his story didn't even pan out, not even close where the murder took place. Why the murder took place. There was the mutilation of the body after it occurred. Then you go on your merry way and assume the victim's identity. It's also cold hearted. That's also really not good at all. So they're calling him now a drifter and part time truck driver. Ooh, that's what they're calling him here. So that's it. They said, I don't think any amount of time. That's what Benedict said. I don't think any amount of time can compensate. And apparently it can't because looks like he's still in.

[B]

Prison. Is that.

[A]

Right? Looks like it. And he is. Christ. He was born in 1938, so he's in his 80s at this point. He's either. I could find nothing about him dying. I looked everywhere, I found nothing about him dying. But I did find. I don't know how new this is, but he was in custody at the Central Utah Correctional Facility and his offender number is 53260. So if you can find him dead or alive, let's take a look at it. But there he is. That, everybody is South Salt Lake, Utah. And that.

[B]

Is. It feels like so many.

[A]

Questions. It feels like we dug 12 inches in the dirt and hit the concrete slab and we got.

[B]

There. You know what it feels.

[A]

Like? That's what it feels.

[B]

Like. It feels like we got closure for.

[A]

Nothing. For.

[B]

Nothing. There's no.

[A]

Closure. No, there's so much. The wife, all the other people, the guy in Idaho and how many more fucking people around the country. Think about.

[B]

This. It's got to be. This is the reason we don't do unsolved.

[A]

Cases. No. Yeah, but this one, at least he's in prison, so it.

[B]

Helps. There's one that's solved, but I think there's so much.

[A]

More. This could be. He could have 50.

[B]

Bodies. Could be 50? Yeah. If there's 10, there's.

[A]

50. Yeah, that's what I mean. It could be. Could be three, could be 50. If there's three, there's definitely 10. And he won't say if there's 10. There's probably 50. You know what I mean? He won't say shit. No, it's not against. He should talk about his best interest. Yeah, well, now he's in his 80s and it looks like they're not letting him out, so. Yeah, they're never out for this. You know what? Tell a tale, my friend, because it'll be.

[B]

Wild. Spin a.

[A]

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