Social Media Mob Murder - Klawock, Alaska

Summary

Small Town Murder Podcast

Episode: Social Media Mob Murder – Klawock, Alaska
Hosts: James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman
Date: October 31, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this special Halloween episode, James and Jimmie take listeners to Klawock, Alaska—a tiny, remote community with a population of just 805, hours of darkness in the winter, and a history both rich and rugged. But the episode’s heart is a shocking, recent murder fueled by rumor, outrage, and social media mob justice. The hosts weave in their signature humor while exploring the dangers of misinformation, mob mentality, and "frontier justice," culminating in an in-depth discussion of a tragic real case—with a bonus segment debunking the infamous “poisoned Halloween candy” myth.

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Klawock, Alaska: Setting the Scene

[04:03–11:18]

• Isolation & Access: Klawock, on Prince of Wales Island in Southeast Alaska, is crazy remote. "The only way to really get there is to, like, stop at the port in a ship." (A, 04:03)

  • 4 days’ drive from Anchorage, 48 hours from Seattle (with multiple ferries).
  • Officially designated as an “unorganized area”—even less structured than “unincorporated.”

• Population & History:

  • Current population: 805; in 1920, only 19.
  • Cannery boom surged population; median household income ~$53k/year.
  • Deep native (Tlingit) and settler (notably Serbian/Croatian) roots.

• Town Life:

  • Few amenities. Reviews: “Claw Walk is basically a parking lot… tiny market…local grocery store, that's about it.” (A, 08:10)
  • Everyone fishes; “as a tourist, it is weird to not be able to get fresh fish…everyone fishes for their own.”

• Climate & Community:

  • "The winter nights are 17 hours long of darkness." (A, 11:58)
  • Everyone knows everyone, and most residents are born and bred locals.

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The Crime: Mob Justice via Social Media

Incident Timeline: [12:22–28:40]

The Key Players & The Spark

• Lincoln 'Bingo' Petrotrovich: 80-year-old lifelong local from a prominent family of Tlingit and Serbian descent. Related to Elizabeth Peratrovich, a legendary civil rights activist (appearance on US currency in 2020).
• The 13-Year-Old Girl: Family also deep-rooted in town.
• The Incident:
  • March 20, 2023: Bingo, chopping wood, catcalls a girl he can't see clearly—thinks she is older.
  • Realizes she is a young teenager, tries to be friendly, invites her “in for something to eat.” She declines and leaves.
  • Girl tells her uncle, who reports the incident to Alaska State Troopers.
  • Troopers interview Bingo and the girl: No evidence of a crime; he gets a warning and the family is advised to seek a restraining order if worried.

"If you're a 13-year-old girl, there's an 80-year-old man inviting you in to eat—you're creeped out by it. You should be."
— James (A, 21:06)

The Outrage Erupts – Social Media Spiral

• That evening, the girl’s family posts on Facebook, accusing Bingo of being “sexually interested in young girls” (A, 26:31).
• The post quickly escalates from concern to open threats:
  • "We need to protect our own."
  • "Someone should deal with him. That way he won't do it again." (Paraphrased, A, 28:40)
• By midnight, much of the small town is convinced Bingo is a dangerous predator.

“If there’s one thing on social media that people really like to make sure people know, it’s that they hate pedophiles. They really want you to know.”
— James (A, 24:39)

• The mob mentality is stoked by false details—accusing him of wielding an axe, growing more lurid with every retelling.

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The Murder: Midnight Vigilantism

[33:34–42:26]

• March 21, 2023, 1:30am:
  • The Vigilante Crew:
    • Moses Scott Blanchard (21), Blaze Andrew Diltz (21), Gonzalo Sanchez (17), and accompanied by the 13-year-old girl.
  • They approach Bingo’s trailer; the girl says she’s scared. The 21-year-olds encourage her.
  • Blaze breaks in—a crime is committed. The three young men enter the trailer, leaving the girl outside.
  • They find Bingo, asleep. They beat him with fists, logs, folding chair, milk crate, and finally a 15-pound decorative cannonball (A, 36:19–36:50).
  • Brutality: All blows focused on his head/face. The attack escalates in savagery; there are no defensive wounds—he’s attacked in his sleep.

“They start punching and kicking this man in his sleep...then they grab some logs… then a folding chair…milk crate…then a 15-pound cannonball.”
— James (A, 36:19)

• Aftermath:
  • A passing motorist repeatedly honks—possibly spooking the attackers.
  • The trio flees, linking up with two other underage locals who give them a ride away. No one calls police right away.
  • State Troopers arrive 90 minutes later (no local police, no ambulance; chief had died two months prior and was not replaced).
  • Bingo is found gravely battered; dies before reaching hospital.

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Investigation & Arrests: Facebook as Evidence

[42:11–48:14]

• Troopers screenshot the feverish comment threads—"a real-time mob"—as evidence.
• The 13-year-old confirms the assailants’ identities; they begin interrogating suspects.
• Confessions:
  • Diltz admits: “Because it was on Facebook.” (44:26)
  • Blanchard confesses: beat Bingo and failed to call for help, deciding: “If he survived, he’s probably going to be able to identify me, so I should kill him.” (46:13)

Charges & Legal Strategy

• Both 21-year-olds: First and second-degree murder, manslaughter, first-degree burglary.
• 17-year-old Sanchez: Second-degree murder, manslaughter, first-degree burglary (charged as an adult).
• Bail: $600,000 each.
• Prosecution charges a range (from first-degree murder down) to give the jury options; burglary is open-and-shut.

“Bingo’s niece makes a Facebook post saying, ‘My uncle has been killed over gossip.’”
— James (49:42)

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Trial Outcomes & Sentencing

[48:31–59:17]

• Plea Deals:
  • Blaze Diltz pleads to second-degree murder, cooperates as a witness (May 1, 2025).
  • Moses Blanchard—identified as the main aggressor—pleads guilty; admits intent to kill.
• Sentencing:
  • Diltz gets 40 years, with 25 suspended—must serve 15 years before parole (56:04).
  • Strong expectation that Blanchard, the ringleader, will get the max (as of taping, sentencing pending)—likely up to 99 years.
  • Sanchez: Charges downgraded; likely to receive much less time.

“The judge says, ‘I hope that for anyone who’s ever done that, meaning spreading misinformation online, that this is a wake up call.’”
— James (55:58)
“My uncle has been killed over gossip.” — Bingo’s niece, Facebook (49:42)

• Defense attempted to argue “mob mentality” and lack of premeditation; prosecution focused on the brutality and motivation by rumors.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Mob Justice:

  “Stop with the vigilante bullshit. You’re dumb and you don’t have the investigative talent, skills or resources to know what’s true and false to go after people.”
  — James (25:40)

• On Misinformation:

  “They could watch a mob mentality in real time. It’s fucking insane. It’s wild.”
  — James (42:31)

• On Defending the Beating:

  "When you grab a 15-pound cannonball, you're planning on killing somebody, that's death."
  — James (55:34)

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Bonus Segment: The Truth Behind "Poisoned Halloween Candy"

[59:17–72:50]

• Hosts debunk the perennial myth of random Halloween candy poisoning, telling the story of Ronald Clark O’Bryan—the only confirmed case of Halloween candy murder in U.S. history.
  • O’Bryan poisoned his own 10-year-old son and tried to cover it by poisoning other children’s Pixy Stix for insurance money in 1974.
• No verified case ever of kids receiving deadly candy from strangers.

“That is how urban legends happen.”
— James (72:50)

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Takeaways and Reflections

Discussion Themes

• Isolation and Community: The tightly knit, isolated nature of Klawock sets the stage for rumor to become reality—where Facebook replaces the local grapevine.
• Social Media as a Weapon: The episode demonstrates, in stark terms, the destructive potential of online groupthink, misinformation, and vigilante justice.
• Generational Legacies and Tragedy: The murder of Bingo sits atop generations of local heritage—and was triggered by a catastrophic failure of empathy, critical thinking, and due process.

Memorable Messages

• Beware information spread online—think before you share, comment, or act.
• Mob action can quickly become deadly, even among people who see themselves as upstanding members of a tight community.
• Not every scary urban legend is rooted in truth.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Town History & Life: 04:03 – 12:22
• Introduction of Bingo Petrotrovich & Family: 12:22 – 21:31
• The Incident and Social Media Explosion: 21:31 – 28:40
• Mob Action & Murder: 33:34 – 42:26
• Investigation & Interrogations: 42:11 – 48:31
• Case Resolution & Sentencing: 48:31 – 59:17
• Halloween Candy Urban Legend: 59:17 – 72:50

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Final Thoughts

The case of “Social Media Mob Murder” in Klawock, Alaska, is a chilling testament to the power of rumor, the danger of digital mobs, and the consequences of acting on misinformation. The hosts strike a deft balance between small-town quirks, grim realities, and dark humor, never losing sight of the human cost at the heart of the story. The bonus tale about the poisoned Pixy Stix is the perfect coda—a reminder that not every widely held belief (especially those fueled by fear) holds any water.

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Closing Urge:
Don’t inspect your Halloween candy too hard…and don’t believe everything you read online.

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(Summary by Small Town Murder Podcast Summarizer, October 2025)

Transcript

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Oh yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petragalo. I'm here with my co host.

[B]

I'm Jimmy Whisman.

[A]

You thank thank you folks so much for joining us today on another absolutely crazy Halloween edition of Small Town Murder Express. We have some good stuff here. This is wild too because we're watching the news. It'll make sense later, but we're keeping an eye on news to see because it ties into the story and it's happening today. So hopefully it'll happen before the end of the show. That doesn't make sense now, but it'll make sense when you hear the story. First of all, shut upandgivemerder.com get your tickets. Virtual live show still available. We did it last night and it was incredible.

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[B]

Shut up and give me murder.

[A]

Let's do this, everybody. Okay, let's go on a trip, shall we? We're going far today. We're going to Alaska.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

All the way up to Alaska. And this is like this time of year. This is like middle of nowhere. I mean, Alaska's in the middle of nowhere. A lot of places. This place is crazy remote and weird. The only way to really get there is to, like, stop at the port in a ship. Oh, really? It's crazy.

[B]

Is this a dry place, do you know?

[A]

What do you mean, dry?

[B]

A lot of places in northern Alaska is dry.

[A]

This isn't in northern Alaska. Southern. It's definitely not dry. I think from what they. So this is in far southeastern Alaska. Alaska goes all the way down kind of next to B.C. it's all the way down in that little strip. Oh, it's like the middle of bc. It's on Prince of Wales island in Southeast Alaska South. It's crazy. It is. Okay, here's the driving times to Anchorage. 42 hours.

[B]

What?

[A]

That includes like five ferries and like all. You can't get there.

[B]

Four days.

[A]

Just fly. I don't know what to tell you. To Seattle. 48 and a half hours. Four days to drive to Seattle and 41 hours and 45 minutes to Chuggiak. Our last Alaska episode, episode 594, Family Murder Spree, which was absolutely nuts. That episode, I remember that was someone got in trouble and then they got mad at the person for getting them in trouble, so then they killed them. And then someone killed somebody else. It was a crazy one.

[B]

So this is like on that long.

[A]

Peninsula that goes all the way down. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's not in a county. It's in a, quote, unorganized area. I don't even know what that's. That's a first. 644 episodes.

[B]

Unincorporated.

[A]

Nothing. Not unincorporated. Unorganized. That's the official designation. 644 episodes. That's a first.

[B]

We got a lot of paperwork to do still.

[A]

Yeah. Area code 907. Population here, 805. Oh, wow. I'm shocked there's that many people. Because it's the middle of nowhere.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

There was nobody. In 1920, there was 19 people here.

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

And then in 1930, there was 437 people here. Here. And we'll talk about why they opened up a cannery here. So that was the big deal. The median household income here, $53,750. A month. A month? I'm sorry, A year? A month. That's a lot. We're crushing it up there. I'm going median home cost here, $204,400. The motto here, Clanakeeduc.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's native. Don't know what that means, but not sure. A little bit of history. The first settlers here were Tlingit people who came from the northern winter village of Tuxikin. Yeah, like Tuxedo, but Tuxikan. They used it as a fishing camp for the summer and called it by a bunch of different names and Clawack. The name of the town is derived from the Tlingit name Lawa. The man which is the man who founded the community, that was his name. So there you go. Later on, they opened up a trading post here, like Europeans came. Opened up a trading post and a salmon Saltery. Oh, yeah. Gotta keep salt, keep it fresh. Then in 1878, a San Francisco company opened up the first cannery in Alaska. If you're catching it all up there, might as well canner. So then they got a post office in 1882. Once they had some commerce. 1929, the city was incorporated. Then in 34, Congress awarded federal funding for expansion of the cannery. And that on the condition that the community remains liquor free, by the way.

[B]

Okay, try.

[A]

There you go. So that's why people came in the 30s, because they had stuff in 1931. John Barrymore, the actor.

[B]

Drew's dad.

[A]

No, 1931. Oh, yeah. Great grand, probably great grandfather, but definitely that family. Barrymore family looted a totem pole. Oh, Barrymore. From the abandoned village of Tuxikin. They stole it. He just stole it. Took it home, put it in his living room in Palm Springs and was like, look at that.

[B]

Don't do that.

[A]

In 2015, the pole was returned to the Tlingit people.

[B]

They gave it back 80 years later.

[A]

95. 85. Yeah. Reviews of this town. There's no reviews of this town. But I did find a couple people talking about it and comments on Facebook and stuff. And I found Clawalk. Clawwalk. Clawalk. Wow. Is a very small town compared to Ketchikan. Jesus. Klawalk is K L A W O L K. Clawalk. That's the name of the town. I have a daughter that lives on Prince of Wales Island. Can't comprehend Claw Walk having room for a ship docking there. Small place. Another person says Claw Walk is basically a parking lot. Just got back from there in September and it was a complete waste of pork, to be honest. There's a tiny artisan market which is two stalls and the local grocery store, that's about it. So let's talk about that market. Here's a review here. 4 stars. Best place to stock up for a week with groceries from Kaufman Cove. They have a good selection of meat and produce along with everything else you need. They have a cafe in the store with wings and some pre made food. The featured salad was good. Tomato, cucumber, Greek salad. As a tourist, it is weird to not be able to get fresh fish. But understandable as everyone fishes for their own. That's okay. I learned how to flirt for filets. Whoa. Flirt for fillets.

[B]

Sucking dick for a while.

[A]

Jesus, that salmon is good up there.

[B]

That's what it is. So there's no fresh fish. So four stars.

[A]

Yeah, four stars. I couldn't get up I had to jerk a guy off. I had to jerk off some salty sea guy for some halibut. For halibut fucking chunk. Things to do. Well, Clawack has the oldest hatchery in Alaska. The industry enhances the runs of the salmon, including sockeye, coho and steelhead. These are all good salmon. A sawmill and area logging operations are located here as well. They have a harbor often used by tourists as a departure point for trips or boating exploration of the bays, inlets and surrounding islands. Not a lot going on.

[B]

This shit sounds cold.

[A]

It's cold. It's rural. I mean, this is rugged shit here. This is real shit. Each February 16th, they sponsor the Elizabeth Petro Trovich celebration, which is. We're mentioning this because it's important in the story. With ceremonies and a potluck honoring the anniversary of the passage of landmark legislation, which was to make sure to give the native people fishing rights and all that shit. She went to Congress in 1945. The city also sponsors a summer festival, the Celebration by the Sea. Okay, let's talk about that. The Celebration of the Sea Art Walk. It says. Yeah, just basically they put art up and you walk around.

[B]

Celebrate the sea with my picture.

[A]

Pictures of the sea that I drew myself. And also there's Totem park, which has 21 totem poles. Used to have 20 and then got one back from John Barrymore. One of the largest collections in Alaska. 21 totem poles. It displays original and replica totems. Replica? I don't want to see replica. Give me originals from the old village of Tuxikin where he stole the thing. The city built a carving shed to house the poles during restoration, which can be visited. In 1998, the city commissioned the construction of a long house with a new totem pole. Oh, wow. Not a lot to do there. That said, let's talk about here we some murder. Okay, now to give you an idea of how remote this place is, it's four days. If you. Let's say something happens, you need to call for an ambulance.

[B]

You better hope it's four days survival.

[A]

Or a police officer. They have to take a boat to you.

[B]

Stop it.

[A]

So this is not easy. My God, the winter nights are 17 hours long of darkness. Long nights. And also everybody knows everybody in this town. And this isn't a place people move to. This is a place where your family's been here for 10 generations or they haven't. And you don't come here because there's no reason to be here otherwise.

[B]

Four days drive.

[A]

It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. So everyone knows everybody and all that kind of thing. So let's go back very short amount of time. 20, 23. Oh yeah, just happened. I remember it absolutely barely, but it's there. Monday, March 20, 2023. Let's talk about an old man. He's 80 years old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Lincoln Petratrovich.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

I remember that name exactly. Okay. Some family here now everyone calls him Bingo. Oh yeah.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Wins a lot.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

He's a big winner down at the church there.

[B]

He's got a dog.

[A]

So Bingo here, he's lived here his whole life. He lives alone in a trailer on Church Street. Okay. Now his family, very prominent to this area as Elizabeth is related to him.

[B]

They got a whole day for her.

[A]

It's a whole day every year. It's a big day. He lives alone, he's 80 years old, but he knows everybody still and talks to everybody and everything like that. But he lives alone, chops all his own wood and all that. At 80, got a chopping wood sucks now.

[B]

It's so hard.

[A]

I hate it. It's the worst thing in the world. So that at 80, if you're mad.

[B]

It'S a pretty good day.

[A]

It'll work out. It's like punching a heavy bag. But so on this particular Monday afternoon, he's outside chopping wood. Okay, now a little background on him before we get to what happened here. Now his uncle, Frank Petrovich was the former mayor of Clowick and served in the territorial legislature. He lived a long time to. He lived 90 years. He is, this guy was a mix of Tlingit and Serbian, which I don't even know how those are so far away from each other.

[B]

Somebody got lost.

[A]

Some Serbian came over here and this guy worked, Frank worked as a fisherman, a logger, a cannery operator, a merchant. During World War II, he served in the U.S. navy. Frank here served as mayor of Clowick, which basically he really pushed for the fishing stuff too. Here. He was elected to the Alaska Territorial House of Representatives in 1945, served in the Alaskan Senate in 1951-59, advocating for rural and native interests during the push for statehood because they weren't even a fucking state yet. He was the first vice president of the Alaska Constitutional Convention from 55 to 56, helping draft the document that transitioned them into statehood in 59. Later on he was the Alaska State Senate president, by the way. So he did that.

[B]

59, huh?

[A]

Yeah, 59. And then. So anyway, he's related to Roy Petrovich and Elizabeth Petrovich. Roy is Frank's brother and was also born here and married Elizabeth Wanamaker, who is Elizabeth Petro Trovich. Later on, she was a Tlingit woman from Petersburg, Alaska. They got married in 1933 and moved to Clowack early in the marriage. And that's where this family settled in, where they became active in local politics. As we know, Elizabeth went before the territorial legislature in 1945 to demand equality for the native Alaskans because they didn't have the same rights, the same fishing rights and things like that, the stuff they needed. So she did that. February 16th is Elizabeth Petro Trovich day in Alaska. And her Image appeared on US currency in 2020, making her the first Alaska native to be featured on Money.

[B]

What is she on?

[A]

I don't know. Which currency? The dollar, maybe a quarter. Who knows?

[B]

Might be the Internet. Yeah, we put. Is it Pocahontas? Is it Pocahontas that we put on there?

[A]

No, no. Sacagawea.

[B]

Who's Pocahontas?

[A]

Pojas is made up. Yeah, right. Pocahontas is a Disney character. The pause for me, by the way.

[B]

Was yeah, you blinked and shook your head.

[A]

I turned sideways, felt in my head like a dog, and, like, blinked my eyes, and I was like. I thought it was a joke at first. Oh, he's serious. This is bad. I gotta rescue him. Sacagawea. Lewis and Clark. Yeah, that's. Yeah, they put her on. Maybe they put her on the coin.

[B]

Yeah, the Alaskan one.

[A]

Maybe. That's what I was thinking too. Now. All the colors of the wind. Yeah, it is amazing. Oh, man. So this family story began with John Petrovic, who was the Croatian immigrant born around 1860, which at the time part of Yugoslavia, and moved him. He was a fisherman. He took off in the sea, arrived in San Francisco, and when it was a real big boom time for whaling and sealing, clubbing seals and killing whales was huge. He was like, that's my spot.

[B]

I'm a real piece of shit.

[A]

This guy got in a shipwreck off the Seal island and was rescued by locals, natives, and then made his way to Sitka, Alaska, on a Russian ship and just fucking stayed in Alaska. This is good enough. In 1876, during a canoe journey to Victoria, Canada, he stopped at the. At the Tlingit village of Clawoch and decided, this will work, and settled there permanently. That's it. He got into the whole community, worked as a skilled net maker. Oh, he made nets.

[B]

I guess it takes skill at the.

[A]

Salmon cannery, which was the only one operating in the area at the time. So big deal. He's the best nets in town. He married three Tlingit women over his lifetime, fathered 16 children.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

That's what spread so many Petro Trovich's around. And then they have been doing well since they've been prospering. Look at him now, Bingo Lincoln. Here he is obviously a descendant of the family here. Lincoln continued all this. He's born and raised here, deeply involved in the whole culture and the subsistence practices and everything like that. Even in 2009, ish, he was still fighting for native fishing rights. He joined a big lawsuit that sued the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture for certain native fishing rights and things like that. And I think I found who he was named after because. Or not who possibly who he was named after. There's another Lincoln, Petro Trovich, who is born in Clawack and died in Clawack.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he was born in 1919, died in 1942. So young man. Young man. Yeah. So it's interesting. So I don't know if he was named after him because he was born the year after this guy died.

[B]

Gotta be that.

[A]

So it has to be named after him. Yeah, this guy died from quote, I found his death certificate. Accidental drowning. Under it in parentheses, had been drinking. He got shit faced and went swimming and died. So that's pretty bad. Sad.

[B]

Yeah, shitface. And was like, it's colder than I thought.

[A]

Oh, this is bad. So back to March 23, 2023. Now old Bingo is out chopping wood. Yeah. Splitting wood.

[B]

80 years old.

[A]

80 years old. He doesn't have the best eyesight now. Not 80. He's 80. From a distance he sees somebody walk by and with the female figure form that he sees, even if you can't see well, you can see curves.

[B]

Stop a beat.

[A]

Well, he stopped a beat and he whistled at her.

[B]

Oh, Lincoln.

[A]

Lincoln. Yeah. I mean he's 80. I don't know. He's cat calling wild. He whistled at her, which is for attention or like. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, that one. That one. Like. Yeah, look at you. But it's, it's real weird from your yard. You don't cat call people from your yard. You can't call people from like the third story of a construction site or something. You can't call them either. I'm saying don't do it. But if you do do it from distance, that's a real. Well, more normal way to fucking do it than from your yard while they walk by on your street. It's just weird.

[B]

As you're hacking away at some spruce.

[A]

To catcall your neighbor is just a weird thing to do. So she turned around and he could see. He got it went a little closer and he can see. Oh, she's not a full grown woman. This is. Oh, this is a young woman, you asshole. Way younger than I thought. First of all, he's 80. Yeah, so he thought he was whistling at a girl in her 20s. Come on, Lincoln. What are we doing? Bingo. I know you're lucky in bingo, but this is not gonna get that lucky. This is.

[B]

This is Z72.

[A]

This girl is 13.

[B]

Ish. Lincoln.

[A]

Lincoln, you can't be. No, he saw that once. He. Whatever. When she turned around, he got a good look at her. He saw she was way younger than he thought, but instead he was nice. He tried to be friendly, quote unquote with her and invited her inside for something to eat. Lincoln, I don't know what his intentions were. Yeah, but that's weird. If you're a 13 year old girl, there's an 80 year old man inviting you in to eat. You're creeped out by it. You should be.

[B]

Oh shit, you're so young.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Would you like a Yudoo?

[A]

Unless your life has been full of abuse, you will find that weird. You know what I mean? So come on in for some milk and cookies. I'm so sorry. It's so weird. She said, no, thank you. And he shrugged it off and went back to his wood pile and kept chopping. She kept walking. So this girl, like I said, is 13. So she goes home and tells her uncle about it, who contacts the Alaska State Troopers over this. Which not illegal, it seems a little. Yeah, unless he. It's creepy. But I don't know if it's like police, I don't know if a crime happened, you know what I mean? So it's just weird. So anyway, this whole afternoon is now spent with the Alaska State Troopers coming in and talking to him, talking to the girl. And from there it kind of blew up out of this.

[B]

Really.

[A]

It's a weird thing.

[B]

It didn't come down to, hey, that girl was 13. Don't do that. And he's not saying, okay, well, no.

[A]

No, that's what happened here. But for some reason, the girl tells the story to the cops, then the family, her uncle starts telling a story to the cops. And every story, it gets more and more, it gets worse and worse. He gets more aggressive and more. Whatever. So the officers interview. Bingo. And he admits to whistling at her. He said, I thought she was older. And then she turned around and went, oh no. So he said, I did invite her in for food. I was just trying to be friendly. You know, it's a small area. That's what we do around here. You know, I know everybody.

[B]

I was embarrassed. I didn't know what to do.

[A]

Whatever. He denies that he followed because they said after a while they started saying that he followed her and was threatening her with the axe. If an 80 year old man's following you with an axe, just walk slightly faster. You're fine. Take a step back, number one. But it's still. If an 80 year old man was trying to come at a 13 year old girl with an axe, obviously that's horrible. So. But there's no proof of that. And the original story was not that. So basically the troopers determined that no crime had occurred.

[B]

And 2023, there's some ring doorbell footage somewhere. It's gotta be, right?

[A]

I don't even know if that's gotten here yet. We're waiting on the ship to come in with all the ring doorbells so we can get them.

[B]

We've heard tell of many desks right now.

[A]

Oh boy. I hear there's a. There's a thing you can put in your pocket and it plays a tape to headphones right on your head. It's wild music right through a car audio cassette. It's amazing the quality on it. So he says no crime occurred, but does advise the family, if you're that worried about it, you can get a restraining order. That way. He was not allowed to yell at her or talk to her or do anything anymore. And she should not walk by his house probably. And we'll call it a day. So that's the afternoon everybody goes home. Everything seems settled. Basically, you don't whistle a 13 year old. Fine. Stay away from the old man. Whatever. Back to your respective corners. Okay, now that night it gets crazy.

[B]

It got worse.

[A]

It gets crazy because her family starts posting on Facebook about it.

[B]

What?

[A]

And I'll tell you something. If there is one thing on social media that people like to really, really make sure that people know, it's that they hate pedophiles. They really want you to know that.

[B]

Boy, are people against that.

[A]

We get it. We all are against that.

[B]

The thing is, can you imagine James just being.

[A]

If you have to say it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The question the worst would be being.

[B]

Confused with maybe supporting. You gotta really gotta be vocal.

[A]

Want people to know us, what side I'm on.

[B]

I've seen people in T shirts.

[A]

I just saw. This was this week. I saw a man. I unfriended him. That was, I assume, one of our listeners. Hope you're listening. Weirdo that actually posted. He was dead serious. I'm putting together a team to go after pedophiles.

[B]

Oh, my God. I called police.

[A]

He said no. You know DM me. No bullshit. No, I'd like to help. This is real. We're gonna track these people.

[B]

You better not.

[A]

And there's people. I'm on board, but tons of can't wait.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Be a cop, you stupid asshole. Stop it. Stop with the vigilante bullshit. You're dumb and you don't have the investigative talent, skills or resources to know what's true and false to go after people. You don't, you know, social media insanity.

[B]

There's laws that you're not allowed to utilize records like that to assault them.

[A]

We would all love to beat pedophiles.

[B]

I wish they didn't exist.

[A]

Love it. I would love to beat the shit out of pedophile. It'd be great. But that's not how the world works. We can't live in a world like that.

[B]

Find a man who likes.

[A]

What if you make a mistake? That's the problem.

[B]

What if you get his twin brother?

[A]

Yeah. Or what if someone mistake. There's so many ways, so much to go wrong here. It's bad.

[B]

What if that's not even the man?

[A]

Yeah. Like imagine if when the people walked in, Chris Hansen came with a folding chair and fucking bashed him in the side of the head. You know what I mean? He'd be like, this is crazy. We don't even know what happened yet. So anyway, this Facebook post comes out describing the incident and saying, posting, this guy is, quote, sexually interested in young girls. So now you have said he's a pedophile to the whole area. In this area, there's not a lot of news. There's not a lot of anything. Facebook is the local. The town meeting, basically. So by the end of the night, everybody in town has seen this. They're commenting, comment section. All violent threats. Let's get him. We should go get him. This is bullshit. We need Frontier justice. I mean, that's all that's on here. Wow. It's everybody saying, let's go kill him.

[B]

We gotta stop.

[A]

That's what I mean.

[B]

This just happened.

[A]

This just happened. That's what I'm saying. So this spreads through the community. By the end of the night, everybody in town thinks Bingo's a pedophile and they wanna murder him.

[B]

God damn.

[A]

Okay, now this is crazy. We don't know who made the original post on Facebook, but it really took off and went nuts. We do know the girl who's the original 13 year old girl was not the one who posted it. That we do know.

[B]

Good, cause she's not even allowed on Facebook.

[A]

No. Well, 13, you are, I think.

[B]

Are you?

[A]

I think 13 is the cutoff. I'm pretty sure so. And the story was more embellished on there too. It had a lot of basically drool dripping from his fangs as he said cock was out. Get over here. My dick needs some rubbing.

[B]

So much pre coat.

[A]

Yeah, so much I'm standing in a puddle. So that's what happened. The post says he's a predator, she's a victim. And we need to defend this girl and defend all the young girls of our town by ridding ourselves of this pedophile.

[B]

Are you a father? Handle it yourself.

[A]

Yeah, go over there, knock on the fucking door and talk to him. 40 fucking people, they gotta have a.

[B]

Go have a chat with the guy.

[A]

Cause they're not gonna do anything. They just wanna have a mob. People love to have a mob.

[B]

That's so sick.

[A]

Social media.

[B]

You should be a tough guy and do it yourself, you fucking pussy.

[A]

So the comment section, someone should deal with him. That way he won't do it again. We need to protect our own. These are all quotes from here. Doing bonkers. Hey everybody, just gonna take a quick break from the show and tell you about some amazing earbuds from Raycon.

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[B]

Wildfire.

[A]

Okay, there's people walking in the street. Moses Scott Blanchard is one of them. He's 21 years old. All these people are native to this area. Nobody's like on vacation or moved here from fucking St. Louis. Like that didn't happen. They're all born and raised here.

[B]

Got a brand new position.

[A]

Yeah. Blaze. Blaze B L A I S E. Blaze Andrew Dilts. D I L T S. That's just a bad name. Sounds like Dulce. He's 21. We also have Gonzalo Sanchez who's 17 walking in this group with them is the 13 year old girl from today. Why is now why it's 1:30am on a Monday night. This is not the summer.

[B]

Why is a 21 year old? Is it 21?

[A]

Why are two 21 year olds and a 17 year old walking with a child even knowing a 13 year old? I get it's a small town, but why are they hanging out at 1:30 in the morning? What's going on? Why are any of these people walking.

[B]

At 1:30am as far as I'm concerned, those 21 year olds are just as bad as the 80 year old.

[A]

Worse. Yeah, yeah. They're out at 1:30 in the morning with her and also with two children. There's a 17 year old here too, so I don't get that. So they're walking on a trail and they pass near Bingo's trailer and the girl says she's scared to walk past the trailer. And Blanchard here, Moses and Blaze here, Blanchard and Diltz, they tell her, don't worry, we're with you. We can go right up to that trailer. So they approach the trailer. Why? Well, we'll find out why they approach the trailer right away. You're looking for trouble at this point. And they are looking for trouble. They're not looking to just look in the trailer. The Dilts guy, Blaze punches through the trailer window and breaks it open. Then kicks in the door.

[B]

Now there's a crime.

[A]

Now we got crime. Finally. So the three young men enter, leaving the 13 year old outside. They enter. Bingo must be a deep sleeper because when they enter, they find Bingo asleep, sound asleep on a mattress on the floor.

[B]

He's an 80 year old. He probably looks like he's already dead.

[A]

And he was chopping woods. He's got to be tired. So he's 80 years old and unconscious. Obviously. They just attack him. Wow. They start punching and kicking this man in his sleep. He wakes up during it, obviously while he's being punched and kicked. Then they get bored punching and kicking him. They're beating him, they get bored. So they grab some of the logs that he had cut earlier in the day that were by the fireplace and start beating him with the logs. Beating him with logs. Then they get bored with that. It's logs.

[B]

This is exhausting.

[A]

They're hard. We get splinters. This is crazy. So then they grab a folding chair. Yeah. Extreme wrestling style here. Ecw. Ecw. Start fucking beating him with folding chairs. Then there's a milk crate. They start beating him with as well. A wooden milk crate. Then finally they find fluorescent bulbs. No. Yeah, they barbed wire around the sides of the room. Cut promos on each other.

[B]

Assholes.

[A]

No. Then they grab. This is horrible. They grab a 15 pound cannonball shaped decorative thing that he had and start beating him with that about the head and face. Beating him about most of these. Every, most of the everything is directed toward his head and face, by the way. This is nothing in the body now as this beating is happening inside and this is going on and on and on and on of someone drives by. Lonely 13 year old standing in the yard at 1:30 in the morning. Imagine how dark it is out there. First of all, the passing motorist, we never find out who this is, but he honks a whole bunch. Repeatedly honks the horn as he passes by the house. Don't know why, don't know because they saw something look wrong in the trailer or what it is. They didn't stop, they didn't call the cops really at the time later on. But they honk and honk and honk. This freaks out the three inside. They hear all this honking and fucking run. Because they think, oh shit, what's going on here? So they leave Lincoln, Old Bingo in a pile of himself of viscera on the floor and run outside. Okay, they run from the trailer, they take off down the street. At that point two more juveniles under 18 people are driving by. Why are all these kids out in the middle of the night? What's happening on Monday? On a Monday night march?

[B]

School, motherfucker.

[A]

School.

[B]

Go to bed.

[A]

Is it spring break? What's going on? Maybe something. But anyway, they still shouldn't be out at 1:30 in the morning.

[B]

It's still frozen. In Alaska they don't have spring break.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Spring breaks in August they have the.

[A]

Frozen break, ice break they have for you. So two other kids show up and they hop in with those kids and leave.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Leave the area. Someone called 911? Not those guys. We assume maybe the passing motorists called 911. Because by 3am Alaska State Troopers arrive. This is by the way, 90 minutes after the 911 call. They called 911.

[B]

Hour and a half later they got there.

[A]

It took them an hour and a half to get there. That's how long it took to get there. And we'll find out why. By the way. That's not normal for the area. They find Petrovich with severe head and facial trauma, blood on multiple objects, signs of being beaten repeatedly with multiple heavy objects. And he dies on the way out. He doesn't make it to the hospital. He was barely, he was barely breathing when they got there. And it took 90 minutes because they had to get here from Craig, Alaska, which is crazy. Apparently Clawack had no local Police, no ambulance. 90 minutes it took. And the reason why it took that long was in January, two months earlier, the police chief died unexpectedly. And they never hired anybody else.

[B]

They didn't get anybody yet.

[A]

So they don't have a police force.

[B]

They don't even have monster.com?

[A]

Chief died.

[B]

Get on LinkedIn guys, figure it out.

[A]

Put a fucking badge on somebody. Christ. So it took 90 minutes and it's basically unpoliced this area.

[B]

So they find that's why kids are out all night. Because no one cares.

[A]

Shit, no one gives a shit. You do whatever you want. So they get to the crime scene. Here the broken window is. Looks like where they first came in. They show a kicked in door. Like okay, that's aggressive blood on all these objects. The mattress on the floor is covered in blood as well. Here it's bad. They find all the different weapons that they've built. This one obviously was used. There's blood spatter everywhere because as you're beating somebody, it's throwing, it's all over the place. The autopsy shows the cause of death being blunt force trauma. Severe head and facial injuries consistent with being beaten by multiple objects. Wow. Now they said that the complete lack of defensive wounds. He was asleep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then he was unconscious.

[B]

Right. He was sleeping. Then he just started getting beaten.

[A]

Never got to even put his hands up. You don't even block anything.

[B]

Yeah. You don't even know where it's coming from. And then you're on your unconscious.

[A]

And they started beating him with objects too. So they said the definite facial and head focus. Wow, that is fucking wild. They said that the violence escalated as it continued. Started out with fists and then moved on to the heavier, heavier stuff. They said the, basically that's the overkill in the nature of the injuries. Wounds upon wounds. No need to beat him this badly. Probably didn't need the 15 pound cannonball.

[B]

Probably would have died anyway.

[A]

He's 80. Yeah, you can beat an 80 year old to death pretty easily.

[B]

Pretty easy. Pretty easy as a milk jug.

[A]

They can just fall down and die. Like that's. I mean it doesn't take much.

[B]

Oh, they fall down, break a hip and then it's like shoved like from there a week later they're gone.

[A]

Deteriorate.

[B]

Yeah, from your hip.

[A]

So they said even if help arrived immediately, he probably wouldn't have made it anyway. A lot of blood loss, a lot of trauma to the brain. They said it wouldn't have happened. They said it's Better. Better this way. Basically. Now the investigation, they didn't know what to do. We got a scene, we got no witnesses. We got a middle of nowhere crime scene.

[B]

Yeah. We got a mess on our hands.

[A]

Yeah, we don't know. So they had no fucking idea. They start investigating. The good part is in a small town like this, everybody knows everything, so that helps. And they immediately find on Facebook all.

[B]

These posts about how much hatred everybody has.

[A]

They literally just looked them up on social media and was like, wow, a lot of people hate this guy.

[B]

300 comments, we got 300 suspects.

[A]

Yep. So they preserve the Facebook post and its comments for later. Do all the screenshots and they're like, holy shit. They could watch it being. Oh. They said the comments went from concern of, oh, I hope she's okay. And you know, oh, we gotta keep an eye out. Watching kids to anger, to then rage, then calls for violence, then plans for violence and putting it together. You could just watch a mob mentality in real time. It's fucking insane. It's wild. So the next day, March 22nd, because they investigate all the. Tuesday, the 21st, Wednesday, the 22nd of March, they locate the 13 year old. They realize that's where this all came from. So they talked to her. She confirmed she was walking with a group of kids, a group of men, I should say adults. She said, we were walking. We did pass by Bingo's house. And I said I was scared. She said, then they all went inside and I stayed outside. So I don't know what happened, but I do know who it was. It's this guy, this guy. It's Blaze and Moses and Gonzalo. So you should talk to them. Talked about, you know, we fled. So they get Blaze Diltz in there and this is fucking amazing. This is 2025, the 2020s in one little nutshell here. He said, well, there was a Facebook post about Petrovich approaching a 13 year old girl and chasing her with an ax. Okay. So they said. So they said, well, do you. Did you just see it on Facebook? Do you know that's true? And he said, no. So they said, why would you do that? You don't even know it's true. Why would you do it? And he said, quote, because it was on Facebook. Oh, boy, this is dangerous.

[B]

Because it was on Facebook.

[A]

Saw it on Facebook. So I figured someone must have added it, fix it. Yeah, someone must have edited it. No, someone just talked to you.

[B]

Monkeys on the street in New Jersey.

[A]

All over the place.

[B]

God damn it.

[A]

It's crazy. So it was on Facebook. They said, so you went over there and you did this? And he was like, yeah, fucking did the right thing, right? They were like, hey, hey, dummy. Did you call him for medical help? No. Did you even attempt to verify any of these allegations before the attack? And he said, no, she was scared. It was true.

[B]

It's gotta be true.

[A]

Must be true. She said she was scared. Must be true. So why would you do this? And it's just. Well, everyone said it was a good idea. Why wouldn't I? So then they bring Moses Blanchard in. And he said, yeah, I knew about the Facebook post. First of all, Dilt said he didn't even see the Facebook post.

[B]

Really?

[A]

That's the other thing.

[B]

He just heard about it.

[A]

He heard. He heard tell of it. He didn't even see the post.

[B]

I don't have Internet.

[A]

Literally, Moses Blanchard saw the post and told him about it.

[B]

And he goes, we'll get him.

[A]

So he was like, really? That son of a bitch. So he didn't even see the post. He heard about a post that was on Facebook and said, well, that's gotta be fact. So Moses said. Moses Blanchard said, yeah, I know about the Facebook post. I saw it. Yeah, I was mad about it. He said, yeah, he participated in the beating. He did say that he thought that Petrovich definitely needed medical attention. This is the dumbest thing to say in an interrogation. He said, but then I thought about it and I said, if he survived, he's probably going to be able to identify me, so I should kill him. Which is the exact thing that, like. Don't say the last quiet part out loud. Jesus Christ.

[B]

And then I was like, no witnesses.

[A]

What are you doing, man? You fucking dummy. So, you know, I thought it was better to let him die at that point. They were like, holy shit. He also says that the other guy, the 17 year old Sanchez, his involvement was minimal. Yeah. Said he put a couple shots in, but he wasn't the main.

[B]

He gave us.

[A]

It was me and Blaze that were really doing it. And then Blaze got a little tired and I really. I was gung ho. Moses said, yeah, so both of these idiots are arrested. Wow. They're held at the Craig Police Department and their bail is set at $600,000 each, which they don't have. Now, the charges are first degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter, first degree burglary. With both of them? We'll explain that in a minute.

[B]

What'd they take?

[A]

We'll explain it March 31st. Now a week later, they Arrest Gonzalo Sanchez. They got him. He is basically both guys. Everybody's statements, both of them say he didn't participate very much in it. He participated in it, but he wasn't the main pusher. And if he's 17 and they're both 21, he can't stop them from doing that. They're not gonna listen to a 17 year old. Hey, junior in high school. Shut the fuck up. I'm allowed to buy beer. Go away. Not here, but other places.

[B]

If I go to St. Louis one day, it's coming.

[A]

So now he is charged as an adult, though.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The state law requires adult charges for murder if the person's over 16. His bail is also set at $600,000. He is charged with second degree murder, manslaughter, first degree burg. Take the first degree off for him and going nowhere. Going nowhere. Now they end up updating the bail as they often do here. You can either it's $500,000 cash bond or some sort of appearance bail you can do. They have different system up there anyway, they're all held together. Now, the prosecution has a strategy with these charges, and that is to give the jury options. First degree murder required proving premeditation. So what if you don't prove that? Although the only reason they were there was because of the Facebook, so it has to be premeditation. They didn't just wander by his house. Second degree means intent without planning. Tried meant to kill him, but I didn't plan to kill him.

[B]

It just happened because we brought nothing.

[A]

We brought nothing. We didn't bring weapons or anything. Manslaughter is just reckless disregard. Didn't care. Burglary charges are easy. Obviously. They undeniably said and admitted to breaking into the home. So that's easy. That's an easy one. Now, first degree murder in Alaska is intentional causing of death with premeditation. Maximum 99 years for that there.

[B]

They do it based on years.

[A]

Second degree murder, like we said, is, you know, heat of passion type of deal or whatever that is. Maximum 99 years also.

[B]

Okay. So it doesn't matter really.

[A]

Not much of a distinction in terms of extra, except for they'll probably give you less because it's second degree manslaughter is reckless causing of death and a lesser sentence range by far. It's like from like five years on. So there's a lot of weighing. Yeah, that's a lot in the judge's hands to figure out what it is. Yeah. Did you bash his fucking skull in with a cannonball? Or did you get in a bar fight?

[B]

Did you bounce him off the hood of your car?

[A]

Yeah. When you were drunk or something. So either way, that's what they're doing now. Bingo's niece makes a Facebook post saying, quote, my uncle has been killed over gossip. Yeah. Which is pretty true.

[B]

Don't be wrong, but don't do this.

[A]

And this completely divides the community because some people are like, yeah, this is bullshit. And some people are like, good, kill them. Pedophiles. Even though we don't have proof of.

[B]

Anything, they're divided over pedophilia and non.

[A]

And not. Well, they're divided over vigilante justice and. And figuring out what happened first.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? That seems interesting. So also for this, people start deleting their comments on their posts.

[B]

I don't want to be a part of this.

[A]

Disappearing comments, just poof, poof, poof. Wow. And now the other teens who picked them up on the road, that's a after the fact charged there. They are not charged as adults. They made cooperation agreements and told all they knew. And their names are sealed by the court. So we never find out who they are.

[B]

I don't know who they are.

[A]

It's part of the deal they made.

[B]

They're just a couple of vague dipshits out there.

[A]

A couple of 1:30am assholes. So they have very different versions. Okay. Basically, the difference between first and second degree murder is the prosecution and defense. Prosecution argues that breaking in showed planning. If he was out in the yard, it would have been different. You went after him, you went into his house.

[B]

What were you gonna do?

[A]

Yeah, show up and break in and go, don't touch young girls. You didn't even wake them up. Now the defense is that this was spontaneous mob action. It was a mob atmosphere where they got a hold, everybody gassed each other up and it fed on it. Now, three people isn't really a mob, so 10 is a mob three. You can go, hey, Bob and Carl, shut the fuck up for a minute. What are we doing here, you asshole? It's different if there's 10 people, you can't get everyone's attention. There's two other people. You can talk to them. So the defense couldn't claim innocent, so they sought to say, these are young men who thought they were doing the right thing. They're not hardened criminals. You know, they're nice kids and all that kind of thing. They thought they were protecting children.

[B]

All three on trial together?

[A]

Ah, no, no, no. Just separate. But they're all Being charged, they were wrong, but their intentions weren't evil. You know what I mean? That's a good thing. I don't know.

[B]

You bashed. You focused on the head. You were just destroying this person.

[A]

You took whatever fucking items you could find around the house.

[B]

Around his house.

[A]

Just shit to beat him with.

[B]

Beat him with his own shit.

[A]

What if we beat him with this? That'd be like. That's crazy.

[B]

You beat him.

[A]

Look, and you know, they were all excited when they were doing it because.

[B]

They think they're doing the right thing.

[A]

They think they're doing the right thing and they're not. So. May 1, 2025, Blaze Diltz makes a plea deal. Oh, the first.

[B]

What a pussy.

[A]

Domino to fall. Yep. He changes his plea from not guilty to guilty. Accepts a second degree murder charge and the burglary charge as well. Here he says he will cooperate with the prostitution. Prostitution?

[B]

I'll cooperate with him too.

[A]

Yeah, who wouldn't? He's gonna cooperate with the prostitution. Take your dick out. Okay, there you go.

[B]

There it is.

[A]

I'm cooperating. Put it in my mouth. Here you go. Here you go. All right. And he will testify against co defendants if necessary as well.

[B]

What a little bitch.

[A]

Yeah, he's the little bitch. He cracked it. Not even the 17 year old.

[B]

No, that's who you'd expect, the adult man.

[A]

The adult 21 year old old man. June. Well, now it puts a lot of pressure on the other two because he's gonna talk against you and blame it all on you.

[B]

We did it. Shit.

[A]

Not a lot of me, mostly him.

[B]

Mostly you. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that's what it's going to be. Who? The guy sitting right there in that chair. So June 7th, a month later, Moses Blanchard decides he needs to plead too.

[B]

Ah, you little bitch.

[A]

He's got no choice.

[B]

Big tough guys.

[A]

Yep. So he pleads guilty to second degree murder, first degree burglary. He is identified by everyone as the most, the aggressor. Even he said, even when everyone else stopped, I thought we should kill him.

[B]

Way to go, Batman.

[A]

And the reason is because he could identify me. So he's the dumbest of the group.

[B]

Obviously, he's eliminating witnesses.

[A]

So the mitigators and aggravators for both, because there's a big sentencing range, so they're really trying to. It could be huge or not huge. So they said, obviously. The aggravators are an 80 year old man. The fact that he was sleeping, you gave him no chance to defend himself. Three on one on a sleeping 80 year old, real tough. Yeah. The fact that they kept beating him, there was no remorse, there was no, hey, his skull is broken. Maybe we should stop. They definitely didn't try to help him or get medical attention. And they ran away and tried to hide. So the prosecution wants maximum sentences. Mitigating factors are, they're young. Not that young. 21 ain't that young. He's young, but figured it out. He knows what's wrong, you know what's up. The whole community was up in arms, so he just got a swept up in the whole mix here and for he believed they were protecting children. And Dilts cooperated and they made guilty pleas and they have no prior criminal records. So come on. So September 22, 2025, a month ago, is Diltz's sentencing. The state's theory, based on a review of the evidence, is that co defendants Gonzalo Sanchez and Blaise Diltz ceased their attack while Lincoln Petro Trovich was still alive. Moses Blanchard continued the assault. Diltz participated, but was not the most culpable. This is the prosecution, by the way, saying this, trying to help him out. And they emphasized cooperation with law enforcement. He helped out a lot. He gave us all the stuff.

[B]

He's a little.

[A]

Look at him. He's a little. Look at his skin. You could kick his ass. Your honor, I'm telling you. What are you, 75?

[B]

Just don't fall asleep one on one.

[A]

You could take him. I think the defense argument is that the like they didn't see the rumors online directly. They heard about them through others and gassed them all up. And that they didn't intend to kill Petro Trovich.

[B]

I can't disagree.

[A]

When you grab a 15 pound cannonball, you're planning on killing somebody, that's death. And that they expressed remorse. So Dilt's here. The judge says, I hope that for anyone who's ever done that, meaning spreading information misinformation online, that this is a wake up call. Well, we're glad that's over.

[B]

Wow, wasn't that a weird time in our lives?

[A]

I'm so happy everything online is true. Now that's great.

[B]

Not everybody vets, every groomer they ever.

[A]

Read thrilled about that fucking shit. He said, there are people out here, out there who may heed your words and take them in a direction that you didn't intend when you posted it. You Blaisediltz. You, sir, may fuck off. 40 years in jail, but 25 years suspended. What? 15 year minimum. He must serve and then he's up for parole. 36. 36.

[B]

That's fucking bullshit.

[A]

That's wild. Followed by 10 years of probation. Who cares?

[B]

Whatever.

[A]

Now what the fuck? That's crazy. Cause yeah, they wanna bang Moses Blanchard the hardest. Really, they wanna give him the max. Cause he's the guy who was cold blooded here. Now, Moses sentencing is today and it hasn't. Fuck it hasn't done it.

[B]

He hasn't done it yet.

[A]

I don't know the time difference in Alaska or whatever, but he can't. He's not sentenced yet.

[B]

God damn it.

[A]

Shit. Well, anyway, the defense is saying no prem. Social media, all that kind of shit. But he's definitely. He's going. He's going to get. He's probably going to get the max. I would think because he admitted to. When he said I killed him so he couldn't identify me, he bought himself the max.

[B]

They're four hours behind New York. It's going to be till. God damn it. These catch all you fuckers.

[A]

Well then somebody's got to like write it on a salmon and put it in the sea for somebody else to get it. Put a message in a box. I don't know how the fuck news is disseminated from there.

[B]

Salmon's mouth.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. Telegraph has to be banged off. Morse code. I'm not sure how it works. Kippering. Oh my God. So that is horrible. And Sanchez, who's gonna get the least amount of time, they think he might get like mostly everything suspended, basically. Wow. Guilty too.

[B]

He watched a man die.

[A]

Yep. He gets nothing. He's going on November 21st. But like I said, he's going to get the least. Both guys said he barely did any. He didn't even really want to do it. Wow. We kind of talked him into it. Basically.

[B]

That kid got 15 years.

[A]

Fifteen.

[B]

Blanchard could get nothing. He could get 20.

[A]

Oh, no. Moses. No, he's the one. They're really.

[B]

They really hate him.

[A]

Like the prosecution was saying, Dilt's cooperated. He did everything we needed him to.

[B]

This one's only cooperating because we told him that the other one's cooperating.

[A]

Oh, Moses isn't cooperating. He just pled guilty.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Because he didn't want to get charged. He didn't want to get found. First degree. Oh. So he. And he had no choice because Diltz was going to testify getting. But the prosecution is saying this is the guy who killed him. He did the final blows. He killed him so he would identify him. He's the bad guy. Yeah, he's the Bad guy, they're saying. And so then the other kid, they're like, he's just a kid. Whatever. Give him minimum.

[B]

So they think he's gonna get 99 maybe.

[A]

They think he's probably gonna get 99. That's. Everybody's been saying that. So we'll see. We'll give you an update on it next week. I guarantee three minutes after we stop this, it'll happen. It makes me so angry. Swear to God, it's like, oh, it'll definitely be done by then. This will be per. I was like, It'll be perfect.

[B]

2:30 in the afternoon. They got nothing.

[A]

I was like, this will be the first. Like, hot off the press. Like, it just happened now. No, it didn't work out. So anyway, he will be sentenced for that. Now we have a little bit of time left. And I did this on purpose.

[B]

All right?

[A]

Okay. Did this on purpose because I wanted to talk about a little bonus murder here. The only actual Halloween candy deck ever. Ever. This goes along with the social media thing because urban myths and urban legends.

[B]

There's so many needles in it.

[A]

James. Needles. Razor blades.

[B]

When we were kids, razor blades.

[A]

Every goddamn Snickers you bit into, what did you think the chance of a Razor blade was? 60, 70%? It was shaky.

[B]

It was touch and go. You'd always wince.

[A]

You'd bite into it at the end, slow, and look at it. I remember breaking candy like a peanut butter cup. Like, breaking it up to make sure there's no razor blades in it. Needles. Razor blades. But our mothers were crazy about it. Check. Oh, my God. Check the candy. If we had a metal detector, she'd have ran that thing through it five times.

[B]

What are the chances that you take a bite of a candy and there's a razor blade in there and you fucking bleed it.

[A]

You miss it. You just.

[B]

What are the chances you bleed out?

[A]

Also, if the package is closed, it's.

[B]

Probably not a razor blade.

[A]

Unless they have a Reese's packaging factory in there, we're probably okay.

[B]

You ever tried to refold that foil? It's impossible.

[A]

Does not work. Twisting it with the kiss thing coming out of the top. I can't get the kiss thing straight.

[B]

Yeah, you can't unfold that.

[A]

Sticking out the side now. What the hell's going on? So we've all heard about this, and we've all heard about how dangerous it is. And every one of us has searched our kids. Candy. And we've all had our candy searched as kids. And we did all of this, and it's all complete bullshit. 100% complete bullshit.

[B]

What happened?

[A]

There is one case in American history of tainted Halloween candy. What was it that killed somebody? And it is Ronald Clark o', Brien, and he is known as the Candy man, obviously. Now, o' Brien lived in Deer Park, Texas. I think Pasadena, Texas is where this happened. Had a son named Timothy, daughter named Elizabeth, and he had a wife too.

[B]

Did he poison his own kid?

[A]

We'll talk about it.

[B]

Oh, you fucking asshole.

[A]

Worked as an optician at Texas State Optical in Houston. He was a deacon at the Second Baptist Church where he sang in the choir and ran a local bus program. So Halloween 1974, took his kids out trick or treating in Pasadena with a neighbor and the neighbor's two kids. Now, they said they went to a house where the person at the house didn't answer the door. So the children grew impatient and ran ahead to the next home while he stayed behind. I'm gonna fucking wait this guy out.

[B]

I'm getting this goddamn candy.

[A]

I smell candy.

[B]

I ain't leaving. I ain't leaving until I get that Snickers.

[A]

He caught up with the group and produced five humongous pixy sticks. These are the 21 inch pixie sticks. Oh, the long plastics, big fucking giant ones. Well, they were in like, not cardboard, but paper. Back then.

[B]

Weren't the long ones in plastic?

[A]

Now they are. Oh, back then it was 74 paper or whatever. So he said, yeah, the guy at the house eventually came out and he gave us these. I got it one for everybody, all the kids, you know. So at the end of the night, he gave the neighbors, two kids, a Pixy stick and one each to his kids. And he went home and he gave the fifth Pixy stick to a ten year old boy who he knew from church on the way home. Hey, you want one of these? So before bed, his kid Timothy said, can I eat some of the candy, please? And they said, yeah, okay, fine, just.

[B]

Need one for bed.

[A]

He said, I want the Pixy stick because it's the biggest. He couldn't get. It was weird. He couldn't get the. He was trying to put it in his mouth. He couldn't get the powdered candy out. Wouldn't come out. It was like stuck in there.

[B]

Wasn't that hard in there.

[A]

It kind of clumped up. So dad had to helpfully help him loosen the powder so he could get it in himself there. He said, ew, this tastes bitter. Gross. This isn't a good Pixy stick. So he gave his kid Kool Aid. To wash it down, wash it away. And immediately Timothy began to have stomach pains and started vomiting and convulsing, he said. He claims that while he was holding Timothy in his arms, he went limp. He was vomiting. He went limp in his arms and died en route to the hospital.

[B]

Damn it.

[A]

Less than an hour after consuming the candy.

[B]

Pixie sticks.

[A]

So everybody freaked out in the community because someone poisoned. Oh, my God. People. They were turning their candy over. People were coming with their kids, fucking McDonald's pumpkin buckets. Giving them to the cops, going, look through my candy.

[B]

Make sure this isn't poison.

[A]

It's poison. So there was no. They didn't suspect anybody at the time. Then an autopsy revealed that it was a potassium cyanide. The kid was overloaded with.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So four of the five Pixy sticks there, the fifth one he ate, he died. They went to all the other kids with Pixy sticks, and luckily none of them had eaten the Pixy stick yet. The fucked up part is the fifth child, the kid from church, 10 year old. They couldn't find the pixie. The cops called them and said, what'd.

[B]

You do with that Pixy stick?

[A]

So their kid was upstairs sleeping. They're like, oh, my God. Did he eat the Pixy stick and go upstairs and die? So they ran upstairs and found the kid asleep holding the Pixie stick.

[B]

The Pixy Stick.

[A]

He couldn't get the staples that sealed it. Cause this asshole staples stapled it shut. He couldn't get the staples done. So he fell asleep holding it.

[B]

Fell asleep trying to get it open.

[A]

Yep. That is crazy.

[B]

He's so tired.

[A]

Fucking nuts. So they got all the Pixie sticks and the top 2 inches of each Pixie of these Pixie sticks were refilled with cyanide powder, then resealed with a staple.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Right at the top. So that's where you'd eat it. Wow. It contained. They said that the Pixie stick consumed by Timothy contained enough cyanide to kill two adults.

[B]

Oh, damn it.

[A]

While the other four candies had enough to kill three to four adults each. They were.

[B]

Oh, he got the little dose.

[A]

He got the little dose now. So they went to o' Brien and they said, where'd you get the Pixy Stick? Where the fuck did those Pixie sticks come from? And he said, I can't remember where they came from. Fuck. Oh, my God. Which house did they come from? Damn it. What's going on? Then they start asking around, and they find out that o' Brien and his neighbor only took their kids to homes on two different streets because it was raining a little bit. So they're like, well, you should be able to remember from two streets where you got the giant pixy sticks. It's not just like one of those fucking dumb dumbs or something.

[B]

Nobody else has given these out.

[A]

Who's giving those out? So then they went to all of these houses and found out that none of them had given out pixie sticks.

[B]

Not one.

[A]

So they're like, okay, now. O' Brien walked to the neighborhood with the police, a whole bunch to find, well, maybe if we walk by it. So he led them to the house where no one answered the door. He claims that he was there waiting to catch up to the group and no one. He said that the owner didn't turn the lights on, but cracked the door open and just handed him out five pixy sticks. Five Exact number. One adult is on your doorstep.

[B]

Take these, get off.

[A]

You don't even say trick or treat, and you open the door and just stick your arm out with five pixie sticks. Like a bouquet. Yeah, a pixie stick.

[B]

Get out.

[A]

They said, so what did he look like? He said, I only saw his arm. Just stuck it out, real crack in the door.

[B]

Can you do a lineup of five arms with pixy sticks?

[A]

He said, well, what did an arm look like? And he said, hairy. It's a hairy arm. You know, I don't know.

[B]

It's a man.

[A]

So the home was owned by a guy named Courtney Melvin, who was an air traffic controller and didn't get home from work till 11 o' clock on Halloween. Shaves his arms and he was just a swimmer. Smooth. So they ruled him out as a suspect when over 200 people confirmed he was at work the whole time he's at work. Then they found out that O' Brien was over $100,000 in debt, which is almost $700,000 nowadays, and had a history of not having shit for work. In the preceding 10 years, he held 21 different jobs.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

When he was arrested at this time, he was suspected of theft at his job at Texas State Optical, where he was about to be fired. His car was about to be repossessed, he had defaulted on several bank loans, and his family home was in the process of being foreclosed on.

[B]

He's about to be homeless.

[A]

Then they found out that he had taken out life insurance policies on his children in the months preceding the death.

[B]

About 700 grand.

[A]

In January, he took out $10,000, left insurance policies on both his children. That's about 65 grand in today's money each. Then a month before, in September, he took out an additional $20,000 policies on both children. Despite the life insurance people going why are you raising your kid's life? And what the hell is that about? In the days before the death that week, he took out another $20,000 policy on each child. Wow. Stacked them up. The various policies totaled about $100,000, which is what he was in debt.

[B]

That's what he.

[A]

That is wild. Now the wife, the kid's mom said she didn't know shit about this. She didn't even know about the insurance policies. She said, I didn't know that. We had that the morning. The next day after Timothy died. He had called the insurance company to talk about collecting on the policies he took out right away. Wow. Then they found out that he had visited a chemical supply store in Houston to buy cyanide shortly before Halloween. What?

[B]

What the fuck?

[A]

But he didn't purchase anything because he found out the smallest amount of cyanide that you could buy is £5.

[B]

That's a shitload.

[A]

That's a ton of. Because you're supposed to use it. Not to poison your children's candy. You're supposed to like. It's a huge application on. It's a totally different thing. So they were like this motherfucker life insurance. He tried to buy cyanide. Must have got him somewhere else. This is insane. So that's wild. They believed that he only gave the pixie sticks to the other kids because he thought maybe they would die too and it would cover everything up. Yeah. It wouldn't be just his just to focus on him. They'd have to focus on everybody. They continued to question him, but he kept saying he was innocent. I just needed cyanide for other purposes.

[B]

Yeah. I got a lot of rats that week.

[A]

Yeah. So many rats.

[B]

My problem around here is nuts.

[A]

Thousands of them. Not enough for £5 though. So he. This is wild. He ends up being convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

He killed his 10 year old for insurance money. That's what they should have deported him in his mouth. This is a scumbag. This is a.

[B]

And that's why I searched apples.

[A]

This is why you can't get fucking candy without people freaking out.

[B]

Cause one asshole tried to murk both his kids.

[A]

And that was the perfect timing for, you know, well before 10 years before. We were trick or treating to where it was just spread to paranoia by that point. Because one news story. One. And it was his own kid. And he did it for his own kid. Zero cases of a random. Some house handing out poison candy. Enjoy Snickers.

[B]

There's no razor blades in them.

[A]

Now the fun part is when he's on death row. The chaplain who worked for the Department of Justice in Texas there said that o' Brien was, quote, shunned and despised by his fellow death row inmates.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Even Ted Bundy had friends on death row. And he cut off teenagers heads and had sex with them. He raped, decapitated teenagers and he had friends.

[B]

But this guy, like fuck you.

[A]

He was called, quote, absolutely friendless. Cause he killed his own kid. Which makes it just so much worse. Gross. The inmates reportedly petitioned to hold an organized demonstration on his execution day to express their hatred of him.

[B]

Good. Kill that.

[A]

Literally. The death row inmates were gonna have a celebration to show how much they fucking hated him.

[B]

Our kids out in the free world have to check their Snickers because you're a piece of shit.

[A]

You're a twat for the next 40, 50 fucking years. We're still doing it. March 31, 1984. Shortly before midnight is his execution. His last meal. I didn't think you were getting that today.

[B]

Here we go.

[A]

T bone steak.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Medium to well done.

[B]

What a piece of shit.

[A]

Fucking monster. You monster. Listen, kill your kids all you want. They're your kids. No, don't kill your kids, but don't fucking destroy a perfectly good T bone. Are you out of your mind? That filet was like leather. Can't have that.

[B]

That's a bad.

[A]

You monster.

[B]

They should have made him eat Pixie stew.

[A]

Monsters.

[B]

They should have only untainted. Just regular.

[A]

That's a piece of shit. Till your diabetes takes you. T bone steak, medium to well done. French fries and ketchup, whole kernel corn, sweet peas, lettuce and tomato salad with egg and French dressing, Iced tea sweetener, saltines, Boston cream pie and rolls.

[B]

He got all of that.

[A]

He fucking loaded up, man. Jesus Christ. And then they executed him by lethal injection.

[B]

Your kid's last meal was your tainted ass. Pixie stick.

[A]

Pixie stick. Wow. What a scumbag. So there you go. That's why Halloween turned into the stressful mess. It was because one guy's an asshole, but did that wanted a shorter story so he could tell that. Because I don't want to tell the whole story. Because a lot of people have done it. But a lot of people don't understand. They don't know that that's why that happened.

[B]

That's so bad.

[A]

That's how urban Legends. So there you go, everybody.

[B]

Misinformation. Isn't it fun?

[A]

Misinformation, everybody, all around. This is the misinformation episode. So that is Clowick, Alaska and also a little bit of Pasadena, Texas, but Clawack, Alaska mainly. If you like that show, get on whatever app that you listen on and give us five stars. Get on all the apps and give us five stars. Who cares? Spread it around. Do that. Absolutely. It helps us out a lot. Definitely. Head over to shutupandgivememurder.com you can still get tickets for the virtual live show. It was so much fun. Great story. Great show. Thank you everybody who participated in it. We really appreciate it. It's available for the next two weeks, so you can buy it anytime in the next two weeks. You can watch it 100 times, do whatever you want with it. So much fun. And also get tickets. I think there's a few left in Philly and DC is sold out. Shut up and give me murder.com is where you do that. Patreon.com crimeinsports is where you get all the bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above, you're gonna get everything we put out on Patreon. All the bonus stuff. Hundreds of episodes you've never heard before. Immediately upon subscription. New ones every other week. One crime in sports, one small town murder. This week is no different. This week for crime and sports, we're gonna talk about how people freak out when teams move. It's crazy. And the way they sneak out in the middle of the night. Sometimes they break up in a gonna be very funny. Gross.

[B]

Fat.

[A]

Yeah. Imagine a guy with a room full of memorabilia that doesn't. Has no base for it. There's no anchor here for a bunch.

[B]

Of guys that are on a bus that say Milwaukee or bus.

[A]

It's gone. We're going to Indianapolis. And also for small town murder, we're gonna talk about the top haunted place in every state. And we'll make fun of how ridiculous some of them sound and maybe creepy some of the other ones sound. Either way, that's how you do it. And you get also through Patreon, you get all our shows, crime and sports, your stupid opinions, all the small town murders. All ad free. Ad free ad free. And you get a shout out at the end of the regular episode. Jimmy will fuck your name all up for you. Don't you worry about that. Follow us on social media. Smalltown murder on Instagram, Smalltown pot on Facebook. If you want to follow us on social media, shut up and give me murder.com as a drop down menu. Get your tickets while you're there too. Keep coming back and hanging out with us. Don't inspect your candy, just eat it. It's fine. I assure you. It's fine. Unless the package is open, just fucking eat it. And that said, that's hilarious. It's been our pleasure. Bye.