"Nick Jonas"

Summary

SmartLess Podcast: "Nick Jonas"

Hosts: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett
Guest: Nick Jonas
Date: May 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of SmartLess, the hosts welcome multi-talented musician and actor Nick Jonas. The conversation explores Nick’s trajectory from child Broadway star to chart-topping pop idol and accomplished actor, delving into themes of resilience, family, creative balance, and the evolving nature of fame. Casual humor and rapport flow as always—Nick keeps pace with the hosts’ banter while offering open, thoughtful insights about his personal and professional life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Beginnings and Broadway Roots

• Nick broke into performing at seven on Broadway, thanks to a nudge from a family friend and talent manager following a spontaneous salon performance.
  • Notable Moment (15:27): Nick recounts, “I was at a hair salon... I was six and I was always singing, you know, before I was even talking... The woman next to [my mom] said, hey, my son is Gavroche on Broadway. I think your son could do it.”
• Notable Roles: Nick played Gavroche in Les Misérables and was an understudy for Tiny Tim—a nerve-racking debut with a live blank moment, but formative for Nick’s resilience.
  • Notable Quote (20:38): “As an 8 year old, I was pretty mortified.”
• The hosts share their own ‘stage mishap’ stories—Jason describes his first TV shoot where he overacted a death scene, only to be gently corrected by Michael Landon. (17:30)

2. Resilience and Handling Public Pressure

• Early setback: Jonas Brothers' first album flopped, leading to their being dropped and regrouping with Disney.
  • Nick’s Insight (14:57): “That resilience came from that early perceived failure.”
• Pressure from stardom: Nick addresses balancing external expectations, especially transitioning from teen idol to adult artist.
  • Nick (22:52): “You know, how much of it is real, how much is just part of the job?... it’s all kind of junk food to a certain extent.”

3. Family, Collaboration, and Growing Up in the Spotlight

• Deep family ties: Nick’s father, a musician and pastor, provided broad musical exposure but also struggled alongside them as the Jonas Brothers were pushed out of the church for playing non-Christian music (27:27).
  • Nick (28:36): “Some of the people in leadership... thought that we were sinning. We took a different path.”
• Working with siblings: The brothers’ relationship has grown through both collaboration and hard periods needing boundaries to preserve familial love.
  • Nick (33:44): “We also had a moment where it wasn’t good. We had to say, let’s not do the music together anymore, so that the family at the table can still all be there and love each other.”

4. Evolving Creativity: Acting vs. Music

• Nick discusses creative drivers for acting and music. Being a father shifted his outlook and deepened his engagement with both crafts (31:16).
  • Nick (32:56): “Looking at the world through her eyes... gives me just a better perspective and a deeper sort of angle on what I want to be doing.”
• He appreciates the different timelines and control afforded by music vs. film/TV and is involved in developing his own projects now (29:28).

5. Navigating Fame and Deciding What to Share

• Public/private balance: With family and personal life often in the spotlight, Nick acknowledges sometimes keeping details private but also leans into authenticity.
  • Nick (37:53): “There are things that I feel... are probably better to just keep private.”
  • Nick (38:09): “It would be odd to not acknowledge some of the things that are already known about me.”
• Songwriting approach: The hosts joke about metaphors—dogs in a park, etc.—while Nick discusses transforming real experience into art, sometimes via metaphor (38:58).

6. The Music Industry, AI, and the Changing Creative Landscape

• The group dives into modern shifts—massive expansion in the number of releases each week (“3,000 to 5,000” new tracks every Friday—40:43), and the rise of AI-generated music.
  • Nick (42:54): “My thing as it relates to the AI conversation... is that the lived experience, the human experience, cannot be replicated.”
• Nick teases a new movie with Paul Rudd, directed by John Carney, about truth, ownership, and credit in the music world. (43:48)

7. Personal Favorites and Music Talk

• Favorite bands: The Beatles lead for Nick, followed by the Bee Gees and Switchfoot (50:08).
  • Hosts’ picks: Will is a Smiths superfan; Sean loves Depeche Mode, Erasure, New Order; Jason, Radiohead.
• Best concerts: A roundtable of memorable gigs—Depeche Mode, the Violent Femmes, and more. (52:40)
• Best cities to play: Toronto, Mexico City, Montreal, Barcelona, Brazil top Nick’s list (53:16).

8. Golf, Traditions, and Dad Life

• Golf talk abounds—tales from Augusta, Masters traditions, celebrity golf outings, and the balancing act between time for golf and time as a father (54:11, 58:07).
• Nick shares about recent family time in Hawaii, sacrificing golf to do “all the dad stuff” while his wife Priyanka shoots in India (58:44).

9. On India, Marriage, and Cultural Traditions

• Indian wedding spectacle: Nick describes his meeting and whirlwind romance with Priyanka Chopra, culminating in an elaborate three-day wedding in India complete with a competitive family performance night (Sangeet).
  • Nick (63:36): “There’s the spirit of competition that comes along with Indian weddings... you basically do a performance and you battle. The family that wins is the more dominant family. So on her side... a global Bollywood icon... then on our side, you’ve got the motherfucking Jonas Brothers.”
• The wedding included Western and Indian ceremonies and offered a window into India’s massive, devoted film culture.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On resilience:
  • “That resilience came from that early perceived failure.” – Nick Jonas (14:57)
• On living publicly:
  • “It would be odd to not acknowledge some of the things that are already known about me.” – Nick Jonas (38:09)
• On being creative in a changing landscape:
  • “The lived experience, the human experience, cannot be replicated.” – Nick Jonas (42:54)
• Wedding battle:
  • “You basically do a performance and you battle. And the family that wins... is the more dominant family... on our side, you’ve got the motherfucking Jonas Brothers.” – Nick Jonas (63:36)
• Hosts roasting Sean’s s’mores habit:
  • “Are you eating standing up? Like, are you eating—Absolutely standing up.” – Sean Hayes & Will Arnett (57:25)
• On balancing all parts of himself:
  • “Looking at the world through her eyes... gives me just a better perspective...” – Nick Jonas (32:56)

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Notable Timestamps

• 02:31 – Opening host banter, “Sean’s Menu” (s'mores hack)
• 10:43 – Introduction of Nick Jonas
• 13:53 – Nick on Broadway beginnings & early family support
• 22:52 – Handling stardom, Disney, and public perception
• 27:07 – Musical influences & being pushed out of the church
• 33:44 – On Jonas Brothers’ break and reunification
• 37:08 – On personal vs. public songwriting
• 40:41 – Discussing the flood of new music & AI’s role
• 43:48 – Teasing new film with Paul Rudd about music & credit
• 50:03 – Roundtable: favorite bands, concerts, music cities
• 54:11 – Masters golf traditions & Augusta tales
• 58:44 – Dad life in Hawaii, prioritizing family
• 61:20 – India, Bollywood, and wedding traditions
• 63:36 – Wild family performance battle at Nick & Priyanka’s wedding
• 66:20 – Closing gratitude and laughter

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Episode Tone

Warm, fast-paced, and funny—deeply personal yet full of inside jokes, SmartLess delivers an accessible, authentic look at Nick Jonas’ life. The conversation tackles the meaningful and the mundane, the universal and the hyper-specific, with an infectious spirit of camaraderie.

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For anyone who wants to understand Nick Jonas beyond his public-facing persona or catch up on this SmartLess episode, this summary covers the highlights, insights, and best banter—no listening required.

Transcript

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[Nick Jonas]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Nick Jonas]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Sean Hayes]

Good. You know, we're going to look at

[Jason Bateman]

the weather on the threes.

[Sean Hayes]

We're going to look at the weather right after this wonderful episode of Smart Less.

[Will Arnett]

Let's go. Smart, Smart, Smart Less.

[Sean Hayes]

Good morning, everybody.

[Jason Bateman]

Good morning.

[Will Arnett]

Hi, Sean. Sorry, are you about to launch into something?

[Sean Hayes]

No. Hi.

[Will Arnett]

Like, good morning, everyone.

[Jason Bateman]

Remember when Sean used to have a bunch of talking points prepared?

[Sean Hayes]

I always do. I have them today if you want.

[Jason Bateman]

Do you really have it written down on a piece of paper?

[Sean Hayes]

I jotted down a couple things that happened.

[Will Arnett]

Does Nick do. Does Nick do it?

[Sean Hayes]

No, I do it.

[Will Arnett]

Huh.

[Sean Hayes]

Just right before we sign on, does

[Jason Bateman]

Scotty ever, ever recommend or suggest? Hey, you know, it'll be Fun for you. You guys talk about tomorrow ever?

[Sean Hayes]

No, not really. No.

[Jason Bateman]

All right, so what are the. What are the hot topics today?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, let's go for a hot topic for Sean.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, what do you got down there?

[Sean Hayes]

So my sister was here, you know.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, the Tracy listener. The Tracy not only exists, but she had a little stay at Shawnee's house.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And Jay, you called and she talked

[Jason Bateman]

to her, and you two were spooning, right? I mean, like, spooning in bed.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, Scotty, there's nothing weird about that.

[Jason Bateman]

No, you guys were. Were cuddling.

[Sean Hayes]

That's fine.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Will Arnett]

We could use. You know what? We could use more cuddling in this world.

[Jason Bateman]

We could. And maybe a little less gum. Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Fuck.

[Sean Hayes]

Every.

[Jason Bateman]

I know it's. I know it's hard to remember because, you know, we do these like a week apart, and then you forget a lot in six days. It's difficult. Is there, like a nicotine cream? What about if you found like a. Cream you could just put on your shoulders or something?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, what about. Yeah, is it like. Like. Like a testosterone cream?

[Jason Bateman]

Right.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, that I've read about.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, so I've heard about that, too.

[Will Arnett]

No.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I don't.

[Jason Bateman]

Working. It's not working. I need to do a few more clicks. So. Shawnee, hot.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. So. So Tracy was here and we watched the documentary. You guys got to see this called, Trust Me, the False Prophet.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, is this.

[Will Arnett]

I read about it. Yes. Somebody told me about it.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, no, it's not about the Mormon. It's about the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints.

[Jason Bateman]

Isn't that.

[Will Arnett]

Which is an extension of. It's.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

So, Sam Bateman, right?

[Sean Hayes]

Yes, that's right. I thought of you.

[Jason Bateman]

I'll bet you did. Yeah, it's.

[Will Arnett]

Explain yourself, Jason.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I don't know if there's a relation there, but I would guess that there is. I mean, our family is. Is out of Utah, so, I mean.

[Will Arnett]

No, that was your. That was probably your first tip, I guess, huh? Was that what kind of got you going in that direction?

[Jason Bateman]

I'm not an experienced investigator, but those are two hot leads. Name and location.

[Will Arnett]

Nothing gets past you, dude. It's unreal.

[Sean Hayes]

Name and location. So how is Sam doing, Jason?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I have not spoken to him for years. No, I have no idea.

[Will Arnett]

I haven't seen him since the family reunion.

[Nick Jonas]

But.

[Jason Bateman]

But Amanda did actually just this morning say that she finished it and she said it's really worth watching, that it lands the Plane. Very well. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

It's sad and. And fascinating and all those things. It's.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, you know, there's a Bateman that. That runs through that great John Krakauer book that. That I. I optioned and produced that.

[Will Arnett]

Under the Banner of Heaven.

[Jason Bateman]

Under the Banner of Heaven.

[Will Arnett]

It's a great read. If you've. If you've never read it, it's a great read.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, it's really tragic. But there is a Bateman that goes through that and. And I bet he's related, you guys.

[Will Arnett]

You made that, right?

[Jason Bateman]

We did, yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. How was it?

[Sean Hayes]

I got to watch that.

[Jason Bateman]

Andrew Garfield plays. Plays a lead in that.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

How was it on fx? Great.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. Be honest. How was it? Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, I got to see that.

[Will Arnett]

I never saw it. I do want to see it. I loved that. I loved that book. Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

That book is.

[Will Arnett]

That story is.

[Sean Hayes]

What's it like generally in a sentence, one sentence.

[Jason Bateman]

There's these.

[Will Arnett]

It's about 250 pages. Probably

[Jason Bateman]

these brothers kill. Kill another brother's child and wife because they say they got us. They got a sign from up above.

[Will Arnett]

It's not fun. It's not a fun. It's not a fun wait.

[Sean Hayes]

But it's not a true story or.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, it's a full true story. But what's interesting about. Yeah, every other chapter, sort of. It's telling the linear birth and progression of the religion of Mormonism, and you can see how well you can make your own decisions about Joseph Smith from

[Will Arnett]

coming from upstate New York and all that sort of stuff, and then they sort of breaks that down in his way. But. But either way. Either way, wherever you land on it, it is a kind of. I thought it was an excellent book. He's God. Krakauer's something else. Yeah, he's the man.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, that.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, Sean, Sorry. One more. Sorry. Let's get to the next topic. Sorry. No, we haven't even got hung up.

[Jason Bateman]

This one.

[Will Arnett]

So there you are with.

[Jason Bateman]

You're watching the doc. Are you worried?

[Will Arnett]

Just. You can't be. You just can't be yourself in the moment. What it is.

[Sean Hayes]

No, we can totally. By the way, Every day. Was that it?

[Jason Bateman]

You were just going to make a recommendation for media?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, that and also I saw. Now that we're talking about documentaries. Jay, I finally saw the Apocalyptimistic.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, yeah, the AI documentary. Yeah, Yeah, I do.

[Sean Hayes]

That was wild.

[Jason Bateman]

So what do you think? Are you. Are you. Are you bullish or pessimistic about.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. No, I can't be pessimistic. I can't. I can't. I. I have to believe just so I can get through every day that AI and us will work together. And AI is not going to destroy the world.

[Jason Bateman]

That. That mankind will. Will. Will do the right thing. When. When. When presented with an option to use this incredible technology for good or for bad.

[Will Arnett]

I always believe humanity will win out in the end. Hey, guys, you know, that is so good. Speaking of humanity.

[Sean Hayes]

I tell you what.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, Will, are you about to get to the intro?

[Will Arnett]

It's still me.

[Jason Bateman]

No, sorry. Wait, Sean, you had one more bullet point. Or not.

[Sean Hayes]

That was.

[Jason Bateman]

It was just cultural recommendations.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, Sean, we should mention it. And just our little side menu. Our little side thing, which is Sean's Menu, which is becoming our new. It's our new. It's our new feature called Sean's Menu. Last night, Jason and I got. Received a text in the chat and a picture of the beginning of a s' mores extravaganza on a Monday night.

[Jason Bateman]

Not sure it was fully dark out yet, though.

[Will Arnett]

No, not fully dark. Not in a beach setting. Not on a vacation around a campfire. Just a Monday night in Los Angeles.

[Jason Bateman]

Monday night, yeah. Regular dessert. It was a dessert.

[Will Arnett]

Dessert was at 6:15, by the way. Okay, keep going.

[Jason Bateman]

And it was. And it was elegantly laid out on a plate with proper ratios of graham crackers, chocolate, and mushroom. Or not mushrooms. Sorry, marshmallows there on the plate. Very dignified. Like, this is your. Your. Your s' mores kit that the chef laid out for you.

[Sean Hayes]

No, I. I did it myself. I was all alone. Scotty was out of town. I was all alone. I had.

[Will Arnett]

So that was just for you?

[Sean Hayes]

That was just for me. Yeah. And I had four in a row. But wait, this is the hack. This is the s' mores hack.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, yeah, Tell us.

[Sean Hayes]

I take the chocolate and I microwave it so it's more like a sauce. And then I pour the sauce onto the marshmallow.

[Will Arnett]

You figure it out.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. So it's not like you're just biting into a trash.

[Will Arnett]

Sean, why don't you just stuff it. Why don't you just stuff it all in your mouth and hop in a sauna and just let it melt into your mouth? Okay.

[Sean Hayes]

By the way, that's not a bad idea.

[Will Arnett]

All right. What are you doing? Are you making s'?

[Jason Bateman]

Mores? Most people go in there to lose some weight. Sean goes in there, really dive into the sweets or to reheat any sort of food. He'll just walk in there with his

[Will Arnett]

plate Hell, Mango, unbelievable.

[Sean Hayes]

See, why waste the wattage?

[Will Arnett]

Well, while you were doing that, I'll say this, our guest, Sean, you like this. He started performing on Broadway at the age of seven.

[Sean Hayes]

Really funny.

[Will Arnett]

Okay.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Seven years old, starting on Broadway and has continued on, on and off on Broadway. Amongst the other amazing things he's done, which have been had multiple number one albums, chart topping singles in a group, and also as a. With a solo career, Hugh Jackman. And incredible acting credits across film, tv, big studio movies, prestige tv. Then returned to Broadway, been nominated for Golden Globes, headline global tours, coached on the Voice. Okay. And built a career that went from teen idol to serious actor and legitimate musician all the way through, which is Howie Mandel. Okay. He's got his new record, came out February 6th, Sunday best marking his first solo project in nearly five years. Please welcome to the show Nick Jonas.

[Jason Bateman]

You guys, Nick Jonas, Come on. You look nothing like Howie Mandel or Hugh Jackman.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, give it time. Give it time.

[Jason Bateman]

Hello, Nick.

[Sean Hayes]

Nick.

[Jason Bateman]

Seeing you, this feels overdue.

[Will Arnett]

What an intro.

[Nick Jonas]

That was great.

[Will Arnett]

Thanks, Nick. And I just saw you so insane,

[Sean Hayes]

I started to go in Globes.

[Nick Jonas]

I know.

[Sean Hayes]

That was so lovely.

[Nick Jonas]

We were backstage at the. The holding room for the presenters. My wife was. Was presenting you guys.

[Jason Bateman]

It's not a big room. It. That. That. That's not one of the bleakest, most depressing rooms in Hollywood.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Way too small. The ceiling.

[Nick Jonas]

I did enjoy listening to you guys rehearse, though. It was the master class and bit. And you guys crushed the bit. It went viral after. It was great.

[Jason Bateman]

Do we honestly rehearse?

[Sean Hayes]

You don't remember?

[Nick Jonas]

There's a little side room.

[Will Arnett]

No, at the moment you ran it

[Nick Jonas]

back like six times. It was great.

[Jason Bateman]

We did, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Backstage.

[Will Arnett]

Just for timing.

[Jason Bateman]

And then I'll tell you, it was nothing like just for timing.

[Nick Jonas]

Just for timing, you got to do it.

[Jason Bateman]

Get familiar with the piece.

[Will Arnett]

Didn't you think that Jason should have spoken up? He was a little soft on that one line.

[Jason Bateman]

If we were still rolling, I'd go back and raise the volume a little bit.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, because you were turned away. The attitude was great and the performance was great. We just needed to hear it better.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, cheers, man.

[Will Arnett]

You know, people loved it.

[Nick Jonas]

It was great. I loved it.

[Sean Hayes]

Cheers, Nick.

[Nick Jonas]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Nick Jonas of the pod.

[Will Arnett]

Dude, it is so overdue. It's so overdue that you're here. And like I said in the intro, as you go back and you look at all the stuff you've done from such a Young age and how much incredible success you've not just had, but continue to have. It's remarkable, man. It's so. It's so singularly like that is so tough to do and it's really. It's really a tribute to your talent. It's unbelievable. It's just that you've always at everything you've done, you've excelled and you've managed to sort of keep it, you know, you've done top rated stuff and that. And I wonder if for you, do you. Starting young like that, did you feel pressure, like, I got to keep this going. Did you ever feel that pressure starting. Starting so young?

[Nick Jonas]

I think to a certain degree, yeah. You know, I started, as you mentioned before on Broadway as a kid, was lucky enough to do a few shows and then it was actually a family friend that. That heard a song. Oh, is it sound bad?

[Jason Bateman]

No, no. Family friend. Those stories never really go well.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm on set right now. There's trucks behind me. It's a little chill. This one does go well. Family friend. He also happened to be our chiropractor.

[Jason Bateman]

He's like, guys, we're going to take a shot break.

[Nick Jonas]

He. He told my dad. He's like, look, you know, I know Nick recorded this song. I'd love to play it for this guy who works at. Works at Sony Music Group.

[Jason Bateman]

Did he ever. Did he ask you to just relax?

[Nick Jonas]

Thankfully. Thankfully not. But, you know, started recording and then we got signed as a trio, me and the brothers. And I think, you know, because we had. We had sort of early in our career had a big failure. Our first album did not do well. We got dropped by our first label.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, God.

[Nick Jonas]

It took, you know, us finding a home with Disney and our partners there to kind of really step into the next phase. And I think that resilience came from that early perceived failure.

[Will Arnett]

Right, right, right. Well, that's. Yeah. I mean, did you have. Am I right about that? First of all, I read somewhere that. And I don't you tell me if it's true that. That you were first discovered by like a talent manager or pushed towards one when you were at. At like a barbershop, like getting a haircut or something.

[Nick Jonas]

I was at a hair salon.

[Will Arnett]

My mom.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I was six and I was always singing, you know, before I was even talking, and she was getting her hair done. I grew up in Jersey and so we're known for our hair salons, diners, bowling alleys and shopping malls. And yeah, so she was getting her hair done. I was Singing. The woman next to her said, hey, my son is Gavroche on Broadway. I think your son could do it. You should go see this talent manager. So we went in to go see Shirley Grant.

[Sean Hayes]

Was it Gaten Matarazzo, by any chance? Didn't he play Gavroche on Broadway?

[Nick Jonas]

No, he played Gavroche later than I did. I think I did it early 2000s, but basically went into this talent manager's office. Her name's Shirley Grant. Rest in peace, Shirley. She's got her walls lined with, like, you know, headshots of little actor kids. Weird actor kids who look you in the eye and shake your hand really intense.

[Will Arnett]

He's looking at you, jb. Jb. He's. He's looking at you. Did you notice that? He's looking at you.

[Nick Jonas]

And she started sending me on auditions, and that was kind of the start to. To my run doing. Doing shows.

[Will Arnett]

And that's so nuts.

[Sean Hayes]

Wait, so you played Gavroche in.

[Nick Jonas]

I played Gavroche.

[Jason Bateman]

Who's Gavroche? I'm embarrassed to say. I don't know.

[Nick Jonas]

He's the kid that basically is the kind of narrator for the second chapter of the story. Basically, when Valjean. Have you seen Les Mis?

[Sean Hayes]

Of Les Mis.

[Will Arnett]

Of Les Mis.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh. Oh, I don't.

[Sean Hayes]

He's the only kid in the whole.

[Nick Jonas]

Spoiler alert. He gets shot in the head and he gets killed. And it's. As a child actor, it's dream role you get to deal with. Snap of the head, back and die. It's epic. I also played. Shoot.

[Will Arnett]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Full sidebar pause. Have either you have. You've just admitted. Have you guys ever been shot in a production, in a show or anything like that? You've had to get shot?

[Sean Hayes]

No.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. I think I've bored you guys with my little House on the Prairie story of getting shot. First time I've been shot.

[Will Arnett]

No, no, I've never heard it.

[Jason Bateman]

I was. What was I, 10, 10 or 11, something like that? First.

[Will Arnett]

God, they're shooting a lot of kids in these productions. Okay.

[Jason Bateman]

Jesus Christ. First big. First big gig, I'm playing this kid. Me and my older brother, we walk into a bank there in the little Western town, and it's in the middle of getting robbed, but we don't know that. We walk in, ding, ding, the door chime goes. And the bank robbers turn around and see these two little kids. And he fires and hits me right in the chest or the leg or whatever the hell it is. We shoot the rehearsal. Michael Landon's directing this Episode we shoot the rehearsal, so. So I get shot and I throw myself against the wall. I slide down the wall, and when I get to the floor, I start shaking and quivering like one does because, you know, all you can see is in the movies and a tv. And then I slowly expire and all I hear is total silence. My eyes are closed on the floor and I just hear Michael landing. Go, okay, we're going to cut. And he walks slowly over to me. I still have my eyes closed. I'm still in him, still. And he whispers in okay, we're gonna do another one. And this time I'm gonna want you to just collapse on the floor. Okay? Next time you get shot, I want you to just slowly, just collapse and quietly expire. Here we go, everybody. Back to Walt. I was so mortified and embarrassed. I mean, I was just, you know, vibrating and throwing myself.

[Will Arnett]

Sure, sure. Oh, God bless you, jb. That's good. So. So, so you do.

[Sean Hayes]

So you're gonna say after Gab. You said after Gab. Rush, you played.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, yeah. So I. I did my first show. I did A Christmas Carol, which is kind of a seasonal show, so technically not a Broadway show. But Annie get yout Gun was my first show with Reba McIntyre. I did it with Frank Langella, actually. It was pretty incredible. Played Scrooge. I was actual character name Scrooge at 8. And I was the understudy. I was the understudy for Tiny Tim. And in the eight years that this show had run, they'd never had a Tiny Tim cover have to go on. So they just didn't bother rehearse the Tiny Tim covers.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, shit.

[Nick Jonas]

And the year I Did it, you know, again, my dad gets a call and they say, hey, Nick's gonna go on for Tiny Tim today. We gotta get you here an hour before the show to do a put in. So I rush over to the theater and basically run the five scenes that Tiny Tim has and the two songs and you know, thrust thrown out there for the opening kind of song. And literally my mind goes blank. 16 bars of just silence as the music's playing. This really intimidating conductors there looking me in the eye. And it was a good entryway into live theater. You know, shit happens, you gotta roll with it. But as an 8 year old, I was pretty mortified.

[Jason Bateman]

Scrooge at 8 would be a good title for autobiography if you ever decide to write one.

[Nick Jonas]

I'm gonna write that down, actually. It's a good idea.

[Sean Hayes]

Wait, did that. Did that instill a fear in you about Performing going forward.

[Nick Jonas]

Well, the conductor came up to me after, and I was expecting him to sort of scold me or something like a teacher would. Instead, he came down on my level and he said, things happen. You just got to keep going.

[Will Arnett]

Next time, he said, we're just going to drop to the floor.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Just collapse.

[Jason Bateman]

We're about to reset and expire and just.

[Will Arnett]

You're going to collapse and expire. Actually, I wonder if hearing you say that and Sean, your question. I wonder if it had the opposite effect of having that you kind of mentioned, like, your first record wasn't the hit that you. It didn't go well. That you had that experience at 8 on Broadway. In a lot of ways, it probably galvanizes you and. Because if you can kind of get through that at such a young age.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, I.

[Will Arnett]

Right in. In a lot of ways, you kind of go like, well, I've done that already. Like, I'm, you know, otherwise, you're waiting for that moment your whole life. Like, when is going to be the time that I'm going to completely bottle it in the. In the moment, you know.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. And I've had a few of those too, later on.

[Will Arnett]

Sure, sure.

[Nick Jonas]

Moments that. That certainly didn't go the way I hoped. But yeah, I do think that that early. Those early experiences helped kind of create a foundation that led to me not losing it.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

What about the things that went way better than you thought they were going to go at at an early age? Like, for instance, you know, the. The, like. The incredible fandom of like, like all of these, like, girls screaming at you, even at an age where you might, like, you're just starting to, like, get all crazy about girls and like, has. Is that sort of thing now that you're. You're an adult and you have. You've. You've managed to weather the transition between sort of like teen idol into. Into an adult, you know, professional actor, performer, et cetera. You know, how. How does all that stuff kind transition for you in your. In your head about, you know, how much of it is real, how much of it is just part of the job? What do you do with all that sort of like, that ego surplus and, you know, because it's all kind of junk food to a certain extent and, like, you got to figure out where to place it. All right. I guess.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, I always think it's funny when people frame an answer this way, so. So forgive me for doing it, but I think, you know, one of the Biggest misconceptions about us. And odd to acknowledge your own perceived misconception.

[Will Arnett]

Sure.

[Nick Jonas]

But it was that because we worked with Disney and the core of our demo was, you know, primarily teens, that there's no way this music came from an honest source or that it came from us even.

[Will Arnett]

Right, right, right.

[Nick Jonas]

And it was a really bizarre thing to sort of, you know, being a spot where at 13, 14 years old, I was experiencing all the things you're talking about. First love, first heartbreak, real big, you know, human emotions that I was able to put into song in a way that spoke directly to that audience. And when you ask about, like, what's something I thought went incredibly right, it would be that the fact that our dad raised us on this great bed of classics. We discovered our own kind of sound and found our own voice creatively. And I had this outlet that both helps me process these big feelings, but also connected in a way that, frankly, now we play these songs 20 years later as men and dads and husbands in our 30s. It's even more resonant with the audience because they've grown with us. And tracking that over time has just been the most fascinating thing and pretty, pretty special, to be honest, you know.

[Jason Bateman]

And we will be right back.

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[Will Arnett]

You mentioned that in your dad raising on those classics musically. So what was that? Who is the person? Did they discover that. Oh, that you had a talent for music that kind of came from you or your parents? Were they musical in that way? Was that something that they came from them?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, our dad was a really gifted musician. He, he's a pianist, a vocalist, and he was actually a pastor when we first started. We, we lived in Dallas for a bit, where I was born, and then we moved to Jersey and he became a senior pastor at this, this church there. And, and music was always a part of our life. And, and I think my latest album, Sunday Best, came out in February. Really kind of musically speaking, not so much, but lyrically, but musically touches on some of those early musical roots in the church. But the thing is that he also really educated us on everything else. Bee Gees, the Beatles, Stevie Wonder, Carole King, all the greats. And we had a real sort of deep dive musical education by way of those hour long drives from our house in Wyckoff, New Jersey to the city to go perform in shows there. And eventually we left the church or were sort of pushed out because our music wasn't Christian music. Right. And so some of the people in leadership there were upset about that and thought that we were sinning.

[Will Arnett]

Sure.

[Nick Jonas]

We took a different path. Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Now he was looking at you, Sean. He was looking at you.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, no, I got Sean.

[Will Arnett]

You want to talk about the time that you wipe off in New Jersey? Okay, so listen, listen

[Sean Hayes]

to start. Yeah,

[Will Arnett]

but that's so, so you had all this music and then you start, and then you start acting and you have consistently gone back and Seamlessly back and forth between the two and sometimes the marriage of the two in musical like on Broadway and then, and then doing serious acting roles and doing all that stuff. And is there one? I mean, you don't have a lane. You're occupying multiple lanes at the same time. And how do you approach that? Do you have an approach like, well, now this year I want to spend more time making music or does it just kind of flow?

[Nick Jonas]

It just kind of flows. And as of course you all know that the lead time for a film or TV project is so much longer, you know, then the turnaround time we can have in music. I could record a song this afternoon and then if I wanted to put it out this evening. But there's so many people that have to weigh into, you know, how something gets made on the film and TV side, which is something that is sort of new for me, you know, on the development side of things. And I always love hearing you guys talk about your process with development and you know, kind of what that's been like because the last, I'd say six years, kind of during and post Covid, outside of touring and music and all that, that's been a really exciting thing is to sort of do my best to forge a path where I am a little bit more in the driver's seat than I've been in the past. Been really fortunate to be a part of some great projects. But when you can start to develop things that you feel like are the right next steps for you and you're more in a sort of position to, to make decisions, it's a really empowering thing.

[Jason Bateman]

How are you finding your, your like just to sort of follow up further on Will's question there like are when, what, what do you, what do you find is drawing you more towards acting at times and what's putting you more in a music mood? Is it, you know, is it

[Nick Jonas]

money?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, well, I mean, but right there are certain draw like I guess the question behind it all is, is what. What is the difference in creative fulfillment that you find between acting and music? You know, what is, what's, what's touching you, you know, in your, in your, in your most core place versus some other place? I don't know.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I think that honestly becoming a father, we have a four year old that really changed everything for me as a creative, both on the music side and as an actor. And I've always loved acting and I've kind of bounced between, you know, things like, you know, Jumanji for instance, which is very Big and fun and exciting and incredible cast and then smaller things. You know, the $1 million movie.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

The thing that you just kind of grind. And I love both and think that it's amazing to kind of have that range. And on the music side, you know, the driver is the fans, truly. And I'm not just saying that it's bizarre to get to do anything for as long as we've now been fortunate enough to do, especially with the way it kind of began, you know, with. There is a reality to the fact that teen fans or that sort of heartthrob label can be a challenging thing to step out of. And I think our daughter and the experience that I'm having with her have me way more connected to the words I'm saying, no matter what they are, and kind of my worldview and everything else. So I can't really say one thing is more inspiring or exciting, but. But actually looking at the world through her eyes, in a sense, gives me just a better perspective and a deeper sort of angle on what I want to be doing.

[Will Arnett]

Well, and you've also had. The. Part of your experience has been a big part of it on and off, has been continuing to work with family. Right. To work with your brothers on and off. I mean, that's also very unique. And in addition to your solo work as a musician and then your solo work, if you will, as. As an actor, going from project to project, one of the sort of.

[Sean Hayes]

The.

[Will Arnett]

One of the through lines has been. Has been what you've created with. With your brothers. And I wonder, is that something that you like? Is that something that feels good as a sort of a steady thing that's always there, that you can kind of lean on that. That idea of that family and you guys doing that stuff together. What's that experience like?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, it's incredible to get to do anything with the people you love and share in those experiences. And we also had a moment where it wasn't good. We've had that chapter of the journey too, where we had to basically say, let's not do the music together anymore, work together, so that the family at the table can still all be there and love each other. And, you know, I think it took us sort of going through that that season and coming out the other side in a healthy way.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, because you guys went through, like, a. You know, the period in everyone's life of change that happens between the ages of, like, 15 and 20 is massive. You know, like. And that was the. You guys were just tied at the hip during those. Those years? Yes. Or, I mean, what.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, absolutely. It was, you know, it was both good and bad. There are times you. I look up and I look at folks who went through similar experiences to us, who were on sort of a solo journey and didn't have that built in support system because we would check each other too, you know, which was. Which was important to the dynamic and also be a shoulder to lean on when there was tough times and frustrating situations to navigate.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. I mean, you want to change so much, right? During those years, you kind of like, you try on these little outfits. I mean, Willie, we're seeing it with our kids, right. During those ages, you're kind of like. You're kind of flexing a little bit and seeing kind of like what kind of young adult you want to become. And if you've constantly got a sibling there. That's why siblings fight so much, is that you're always calling each other bullshit and like, oh, just stop with the face or with nice outfit or what's going on with your.

[Will Arnett]

I was thinking about this with us, like, as you were saying it, and obviously it's very different, but the three of us, Nick, in this way have. You're like brothers. Yeah. We've been friends for a long time.

[Jason Bateman]

We're settled into who we're gonna be.

[Will Arnett]

Yes. But at the same time, we. We check each other all the time. I FaceTime with both of you yesterday. Yeah. I was gonna do this thing the other on Thursday. And Jason's like, you gotta play golf with me. I'm leaving. I'm going to New York. You have to move that thing because I'm leaving and I'm not gonna be able to play for a while. I was like, okay. And I called the guy. I was go. And go, I have to go. Cause Jason's leaving and I have to play golf with him the day before he leaves. And he goes, I think it's so sweet that you guys still want to hang out with each other. And I hadn't even occurred to me, but I get it. Like, you guys are my constant in that way. Like, you're my thing. We come back and get to do this together in that same way. And we. So I can kind of relate to that. It's different. Again, I'm not.

[Jason Bateman]

And you also. You guys are probably as fiercely protective as we are about maintaining the harmony because it does take some diligence. Talk to each other about, like, you know, the effort I made to avoid a conflict with you. Like, no, you got to take Care of that internally and make sure that you're being the right partner to keeping everything.

[Sean Hayes]

Like any family.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Like any family. Any relationship. You got to do your part.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. And you got to also talk a decent amount of. To the people you love. You have what you guys have in spades. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Wait, Nick, is there anything. As far as your music goes, I was thinking about this when Will was kind of touching on this too, and you were speaking about it. Is there anything. How do you determine of your personal life what to share in a public forum through art? You know what I mean?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, it's a good question. There are things that I.

[Will Arnett]

Even a stop clock tells the right time.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, no, he's got nominations to back it up.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, he sure does. Interviewer of the year.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I don't think. Did he win?

[Will Arnett]

He did not win.

[Jason Bateman]

Did not win.

[Will Arnett]

He did not win that. No, he did not win.

[Jason Bateman]

He didn't win until he got to the co host version of the nomination

[Will Arnett]

and then we won.

[Sean Hayes]

Congrats.

[Nick Jonas]

There are things that I. That I feel, you know, are. Are probably better to just keep private, you know, and. And.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

Or find a different way to say it, but I. I have lived a lot of my life, you know, in the public eye.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Will Arnett]

So. Yeah, no shit.

[Nick Jonas]

It would be odd to not acknowledge some of the things that are already known about me.

[Jason Bateman]

Right. So you write these lyrics, you know, that you. I mean, a writer only writes what a writer knows. So I'm assuming that your. Your feelings, your emotions, your. Your stories come from your life experience. And then oftentimes you want to sort of explore this through a song, but you're afraid the public might sniff out who that person might be. So you kind of change a name, maybe even change a gender, change who you are. Change the like. Or make it a metaphor. Right. Like all of a sudden it's about two. Two dogs in a park or whatever. Like, what an imagination. Yeah. Thank you.

[Nick Jonas]

Is.

[Jason Bateman]

Is there a little bit of like a concoction going there Sometimes when you're. When you're writing out lyrics?

[Nick Jonas]

There is. Yeah. And. And you know, are you ever a puppy?

[Will Arnett]

Oh, my God, dude, enough with dogs in the.

[Jason Bateman]

Ever a puppy or a kitty?

[Nick Jonas]

That's actually what the entire next album is about.

[Will Arnett]

Nick, please write a song about two dogs in a park. I. Honestly, I'm gonna figure it out.

[Nick Jonas]

There's gotta be a way.

[Jason Bateman]

And then look over there.

[Nick Jonas]

I'll show it to you first. You can premiere it on the pod.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, but truly. Yeah. It must be hard to decide how to do that.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. I mean, I think that it's always fun to think of a different way to say a thing and to, you know, to throw a metaphor in there. But also, you know, to just say the truth is so empowering.

[Jason Bateman]

Instead of like they're just sniffing each other, you know, they actually. They take each other out on a date.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Sean Hayes]

The song's writing itself right now.

[Will Arnett]

This is never going away. Yeah. I mean, have you ever had. Well then, conversely, have you ever written a song and then had questions about it or felt like people misinterpreted it? Like they think that it's about something? You're like, oh, no, it's not about that.

[Nick Jonas]

That has happened a few times. And then the other thing that happens is that, you know, in the year 2026, there's only so many notes left. There's only so many songs. When we first started putting music out in the early 2000s, on any given Friday release day, there would be anywhere from 30 to 50 new releases. There are now thousands, 3,000 to 5,000 somewhere in there releases.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Jonas]

Every Friday.

[Sean Hayes]

Of known and unknown artists. Like, about anybody. Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

I mean, there's just so much music out there, which is both incredible and we love that there's so many people that are creative and that there is, you know, new pathways for people to independently release music, all these things. But the landscape has just changed so much. And so as writers, we have to adapt as well. And musicians, you know, you've got to find a new way to cut through.

[Jason Bateman]

And this is. It's 3,000 to 5,000 now. And then in a couple of years, you're going to have all the AI groups releasing stuff, you know, exactly. These labels, labels will probably just have certain groups that are fully AI Right. How do you feel about that? If you.

[Will Arnett]

This one goes out to my mother.

[Jason Bateman]

Have you played around with, like, just get like a first draft of a. Of a. Of a song or, or like, whether it's lyrics or melody, to see what AI can give you on just. Just on just a first pass that you then would change to make your own. I mean, any kind of art, I think AI I hear, can give you a first sort of pass at it as opposed to. Because the hardest thing is creating something out of nothing.

[Nick Jonas]

Right.

[Jason Bateman]

And I.

[Nick Jonas]

So about 25 years ago, or whatever it was 30ish years ago, probably not that far back, let's call it 25. I don't have the exact facts. There's the introduction of Auto tune.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

Or into the music making process. Tell Tracy what that is. Before that there were little tricks you could do to basically take the pitch of a singer and just bring it slightly back in tune so that it just sounded better. And then there's compression, which is another tool that's used. So as modern music making, much like film and tv, started using the technology available to them, it evolved, it changed and it became a part of the process to where now hearing a song without autotune to your ear would probably sound odd or just slight pitch correction.

[Will Arnett]

Rough.

[Nick Jonas]

Rough or unfinished or raw.

[Sean Hayes]

Or more real.

[Nick Jonas]

Or more real, exactly. My thing as it relates to the AI conversation and the creative process is that that it is inevitable that this thing that is available to everybody will be used in some way. And there will both be good and bad examples of how it's used. But I believe that the lived experience, the human experience, cannot be replicated. And certainly songs about dogs sniffing each other's butts in the park could only come from great minds, human minds.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Nick Jonas]

But it's a really interesting conversation cause it's happening in the circles I run in LA with other songwriters and screenwriters.

[Jason Bateman]

And

[Nick Jonas]

it actually, and this isn't to bring up the thing, but I have this movie coming with Paul Rudd in June which is all about my character basically, effectively as artists. He's a sort of former pop pop star, Bowie band artist who is in a crossroads in his career who wants to go to that next level. And he meets Paul in a happenstance situation at a wedding that Paul's wedding band's playing at. And basically I steal, I like it already. I steal this song from him and it becomes a global smash.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, wow.

[Nick Jonas]

And he doesn't get the credit.

[Jason Bateman]

And then he comes after you.

[Nick Jonas]

And he comes after me. It's a really fun movie. John Carney's the director, he's one of my favorite directors and, and Paul's incredible in the movie. But the basic kind of like hook of it is always had me when I first heard the logline and then when I read it I was just blown away. But it asks the same question. I feel like that some of the AI conversation asks like, what is this idea of ownership of truth and accountability and all these things? And I'm excited for people to see it because it will leave you with a lot of questions.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I love that. I love that. That sounds really good.

[Will Arnett]

I think we all, they're all. Everything around this topic feel like just open ended questions because we just don't know and we don't. We're all trying so hard to figure out where it's going to end up. And we're spending all our time just spinning our wheels going, what's it going to be? Is it going to be good or bad? Is it going to be this or that? And I guess we just, that's the frustrating part. We have to kind of surrender to. We don't know yet. You know what, what kind of, I'm curious, what kind of music do you listen to? Like if you, if I were to turn on a playlist that, that you had right now, like what, what, what, what's the kind of stuff that, and I'm sure it varies like everybody, like you go through phases and stuff, but do you have any kind of like specific genre or something that you always find yourself going back to or artists that you really.

[Nick Jonas]

I, I have a few, you know, I've got, I make playlists that are, are themed. So I'll do like a, a Nepo Babies playlist and it's anyone that's related to.

[Sean Hayes]

That's funny.

[Nick Jonas]

Another famous musician and it starts a good debate of who is the more famous musician of the two, which is a fun one or great songs with key changes. So when me and my friends get together, we sit down, have a couple drinks and we, we all like pass the phone around and add to these playlists.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, that's fun.

[Nick Jonas]

That's really cool. Yeah, it's a fun game to play with with your friends if you ever want to do it. And then outside of that, Django Reinhardt is a gypsy jazz guitar player. Just really puts me at ease and like it's always playing in our home along with, you know, my wife Priyanka is Indian and I've learned so much about the Bollywood film scene and Indian film as a whole and the music from those movies and really come to love it. So that's those, you know, those are kind of my tent poles.

[Jason Bateman]

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to do something outrageous.

[Sean Hayes]

The show that Mashable says tears Silicon

[Will Arnett]

Valley a new one.

[Jason Bateman]

People who have no integrity.

[Will Arnett]

Did you make the acquisition right by no?

[Sean Hayes]

Maybe from one of the minds behind Succession and Better Call Saul.

[Nick Jonas]

We want to save the world or control it. Most of us go.

[Will Arnett]

Dr.

[Sean Hayes]

Evil, the audacity. All new Sundays exclusively on AMC and amc. And back to the show.

[Will Arnett]

This is such a hard one. I don't know how I'd answer it. Who's your favorite? Do you have a favorite band of all time?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, favorite band of all time.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, I know what yours is, Will.

[Will Arnett]

What is it?

[Jason Bateman]

It's Built to Spill.

[Will Arnett]

Built to Spill is up There, but it's not number one.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, is it? What's the French fusion? Fusion band. Do you love Smith?

[Will Arnett]

Smith's is my number one band of all time.

[Sean Hayes]

I love that. What about you? French.

[Jason Bateman]

French fusion. What's it called? The French Canadian fusion van that you just go twat on and on about?

[Will Arnett]

No, he's not French. French Canadians. He's from Wisconsin.

[Jason Bateman]

That's close. It's close. And it's a French name.

[Will Arnett]

Bonnie bear is amazing right now.

[Nick Jonas]

Bon iver.

[Will Arnett]

I love, love. He's incredible. Justin Vernon and those guys.

[Jason Bateman]

And I think I turned you on to them. Well, I mean, it was an earlier early adoption.

[Will Arnett]

Sean Kerry, who plays with when Justin Vernon, when they were doing Bonaver. Sean Kerry's got a beautiful voice. And the two of them. There's a version if you want to.

[Jason Bateman]

It means good winter.

[Will Arnett]

So it does, but without the age. There's a song they released. They did it live in a studio and you can go look it on YouTube and it's Justin Vernon and Sean Kerry on dueling pianos. And they're doing Bunny Race. I can't make you love me, I

[Jason Bateman]

can't make youe Love Me.

[Will Arnett]

It's one of the most incredible. It's one of the most incredible performances. JB make fun of it as much as want you. You never understand it. Okay. You have the heart of AI. You have the heart of will not lie Jason. As I was say, Jason has the personality of a wayo driver. But you, Nick, I check. Check it out, check it out. Those guys doing I can't make you love me. It's absolutely heartbreaking.

[Sean Hayes]

But yes, I want to know his answer.

[Will Arnett]

I know. What's your favorite band? Do you would if you had.

[Nick Jonas]

I mean it. The Beatles, you know, of course.

[Will Arnett]

Okay, sure.

[Sean Hayes]

Okay.

[Nick Jonas]

And then the Bee Gees. I love the Bee Gees. There's a band called Switch Foot that. That we love. They were really influential for us. They had an album called The Beautiful Letdown 2003. It's like San Diego, you know, surf, kind of like just. Just a rock kind of. It's that punk pop, emo rock thing that.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'd love.

[Nick Jonas]

But yeah, the. The Beatles, I think number one.

[Jason Bateman]

Sean, you got a favorite band?

[Sean Hayes]

Well, the Smiths is really, really, really, really high up there. But probably Depeche Mode or Erasure or New Order. All the. All the European synth pop of the 80s and 90s. I listen to it every day still.

[Will Arnett]

Bronski Beat. Erasure.

[Sean Hayes]

Yes, all those.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

What's the Best concert you've ever seen.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, me, probably Depeche Mode.

[Nick Jonas]

I mean, Depeche Mode.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. Jb.

[Will Arnett]

Best concert you've ever seen. JB and favorite band. Radiohead. We know it. It's Radiohead.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Radiohead Radio.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

I think the best concert I ever went to was, like, 19. I want to say 85, and it was the Violent Femmes and the Pogues in a double bill.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, wow.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah, it was sick.

[Nick Jonas]

Where'd they play?

[Will Arnett]

In Toronto. I grew up in Toronto.

[Nick Jonas]

Great concert city.

[Will Arnett]

Is it. Is it a great. Is it a great concert?

[Nick Jonas]

It is, you know, one of the most asked questions on a golf course when I'm, like, playing with. With some guys that I don't really know is always, what's the. What's the best city to play in? Yeah, and it's. I. So it's Toronto.

[Will Arnett]

Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

Mexico City. Montreal. Great concert city.

[Will Arnett]

Great town.

[Nick Jonas]

Barcelona.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow.

[Nick Jonas]

And Brazil. I mean, anywhere in Brazil. Like, it's just.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow.

[Will Arnett]

Listen, shout out to Toronto. I just want to say to all our Canadian listeners, we love you so much and our friends at rbc.

[Nick Jonas]

Wait a minute.

[Will Arnett]

But Nick, by the way, not a paid ad. Not a paid ad. Nick, wait.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm from a little tiny town called Glen Ellen, Illinois, and you played at the Village.

[Will Arnett]

Shout out to. It's just a Netjets trip away. It's a Netjets trip away. Okay. Netjets. It's the easiest way get around, you know? But wait, wait.

[Nick Jonas]

Did you guys go to the Masters this year?

[Sean Hayes]

Did not.

[Will Arnett]

I went last year.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Were you there this year?

[Nick Jonas]

No, I missed it. I'm up in Vancouver right now, speaking of Canada.

[Jason Bateman]

Is that right?

[Nick Jonas]

And. And I couldn't go, but my brother Joe and I, we first went to the masters back in 2017. 2016 or 17, whatever the Sergio Garcia year was. I think it was.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick Jonas]

And then we kind of made a tradition of it. We would go on Saturday night or Sunday morning and do Sunday.

[Will Arnett]

Well, it's a tradition unlike any other.

[Nick Jonas]

And, you know, speaking of that, Jim Nance is. He's kind of been a family friend for a while. He's come to a lot of shows with his daughter. They have, like, a connection of coming to our shows together. It's really sweet. And she's now, you know, married, and it's a beautiful thing. Anyway, he let us come into Butler Cabin and watch his intro a few times. And I was there the year Tiger won, but I missed it this year, and I think I've Seen you from afar at the Masters one of the years I went and just one quick golf story and. Sorry to bore you. No, I did this.

[Will Arnett]

We're all in.

[Nick Jonas]

I did this commercial with Jordan Spieth for at&t.t.

[Will Arnett]

yes. Yes.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. And as a sweetener for the deal, they were like, hey, we're gonna get you on to play on the Monday after the tournament.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, right after.

[Nick Jonas]

So I got to go and play Augusta.

[Jason Bateman]

How'd you score? How'd you score in those conditions?

[Nick Jonas]

So I'm not playing to it now, but at that point, I was. I was a seven.

[Will Arnett]

Wow.

[Nick Jonas]

And the conditions were brutal, but I shot at 84.

[Sean Hayes]

Very.

[Will Arnett]

That is really good.

[Jason Bateman]

You play their tease.

[Nick Jonas]

No, no. They had us. They had us up.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Jb, don't be. That's a devil.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, I don't know things.

[Will Arnett]

I went. I went and embarrassed myself. I went with the Manning brothers about a year ago, just over a year ago, and I really stunk up the joint. I finally got it. Kind of got it together, but I really stuck up the joint.

[Jason Bateman]

But you got to see.

[Nick Jonas]

I feel like they could be. They could actually be like, real working actors now, the Manning brothers. They're very funny.

[Will Arnett]

Peyton Manning, he knows this. I've said. I've embarrassed him many times. He's the. He's the greatest working athlete, former athlete, actor of all time.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah. We're die hard Giants fans. So we had a couple great years with Eli.

[Will Arnett]

And we love Eli, too.

[Nick Jonas]

We love Eli.

[Will Arnett]

Legend.

[Jason Bateman]

Sean, you okay?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Sean just tuned out more than ever. He's just. He's still coming off his high from last night. Night. He had a campfire. I don't know if you knew, in Hancock park, they had a little campfire. Campfire for one.

[Nick Jonas]

I was gonna ask you because I was listening in before we jumped on can.

[Jason Bateman]

How.

[Nick Jonas]

How does that work? The. The campfire outside in California, it's over.

[Jason Bateman]

It's in the oven.

[Sean Hayes]

When I made my snore. It's on the stove.

[Nick Jonas]

Okay. I was like, that seems really dangerous.

[Jason Bateman]

Or if the gas is shut off, he'll just go in the sauna, as we'll explain.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

So you'll just. You're just standing there jackassing it over an open flame in your kitchen on the stove?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Will Arnett]

And are you eating standing up? Like, are you eating.

[Sean Hayes]

Absolutely standing up.

[Will Arnett]

And then make the next one.

[Sean Hayes]

That's right.

[Will Arnett]

And your fingers are now sticky in there.

[Sean Hayes]

Totally all over the place.

[Jason Bateman]

I'll bet you've got the phone. I Bet you're scrolling through your Instagram while you're next to the stove.

[Sean Hayes]

No, I was listening to the Smiths, actually, last night.

[Will Arnett]

Were you really?

[Jason Bateman]

Wait a sec.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, while I was listening to the

[Jason Bateman]

Smiths off your iPhone, alone in your kitchen making s' mores over your gas range.

[Sean Hayes]

That's right. That's right. You. I'm gonna start crying, and you're in

[Jason Bateman]

slippers and, like, pills.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I mean, totally. Just disgusting.

[Will Arnett]

Wait, Nick, we do have to get you. You have to come play golf with us. I don't know if you. You heard, Jason's leaving, so we can't play for a while until August.

[Nick Jonas]

Have you guys. Have you guys had Kevin Hart on the podcast?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, we have.

[Will Arnett]

Yes, we. We have. Yeah. On the live stream.

[Nick Jonas]

So he. He's, you know, newly obsessed with. With. With golf.

[Jason Bateman]

Is he?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I just finished up on the number three Jumanji, and he was. He was literally scrolling, you know, just watching golf videos and practicing his swing with, like, this contraption. It's like a thing that simulates, like, a golf. I don't know.

[Will Arnett]

It's.

[Nick Jonas]

It was very cool. I find it on.

[Jason Bateman]

Was this over in Hawaii.

[Nick Jonas]

Hawaii. And some in LA as well.

[Jason Bateman]

And so in Hawaii, you played some yummy courses.

[Will Arnett]

I'll bet those are yummy.

[Nick Jonas]

I didn't.

[Jason Bateman]

Yummy.

[Nick Jonas]

I didn't have a chance to. I brought. I brought my daughter out with me and my parents. My. My wife is shooting in India, so I brought her out and I did the dad stuff. We did, like, the dolphin swimming with the dolphins, and I took her.

[Jason Bateman]

They have a Kahala Hilton?

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And they have a. They have a Disney hotel. And so, you know, she went and met Moana and all. It was. It was great. I sacrificed the golf for the dead.

[Jason Bateman]

Talk to me about India. How is India? I've never been there.

[Will Arnett]

I'm desperate. I'm so desperate to go.

[Nick Jonas]

You should bring the podcast there and do it. It'll be.

[Will Arnett]

We should do that. That's a great idea.

[Jason Bateman]

Smartless goes to India.

[Will Arnett]

I've been. I watch a little bit of Indian. This is true. Indian Premier League cricket from time to time.

[Nick Jonas]

Oh, yeah.

[Will Arnett]

And there's this new kiddies, IPL. I forget what. Yeah, the IPL on this kid. He's 15. He's.

[Nick Jonas]

He's like this total Indian team.

[Will Arnett]

He plays for one of the teams? No, he played. Well, I don't know if he's playing for the national team yet. He's playing for one of the teams in the ipl right now, this kid is having. I actually watched the game where he. He was out after one run, but he. This kid is like an absolute sensation. He's 15 and everybody else is way older. Yeah, he's sensational. I love cricket.

[Jason Bateman]

You think the audience is hanging on to this particular section about the Indian cricket league?

[Will Arnett]

I don't know.

[Jason Bateman]

You think they're fucking terrible in India?

[Will Arnett]

They are.

[Jason Bateman]

Let me tell you something, Arnetta, hold an audience. Something.

[Will Arnett]

Jason just straightened himself.

[Nick Jonas]

Well, yeah, you should. You should go to India.

[Sean Hayes]

My.

[Nick Jonas]

So Priyanka's been shooting there, this movie by the directive. It did. Rrr. It was his. Was his last film.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, that. That was. That got a lot of great notice.

[Nick Jonas]

Yeah, big Indian kind of epic film. And she's. She's not done a movie there in. In about eight years, so it's a big, big deal. Her return. You know, she did 80 something movies before she started.

[Jason Bateman]

No, that's gracious industry over there.

[Will Arnett]

Over 80 films.

[Nick Jonas]

Over 80 films, yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

She's 75 years old, Will.

[Nick Jonas]

It's a really. It's a fascinating thing though. You know, the. The way in which they. The Indian audience reveres their. Their film talent, their stars, is. It's like unlike anything I've ever seen before. And it's an obvious. It's obviously an enormous audience, you know, over a billion people in India. And then globally, the reach is so big. And there's a bunch of projects that are really starting to make a huge impact globally now as well, which is

[Jason Bateman]

exciting to see the culture there. I hear that weddings are a major thing. Did you guys have a bit of an Indian wedding or. No, we did.

[Nick Jonas]

So we were friends for about a year before we started dating. And then once we started dating, it all happened very fast. We just both just kind of knew. So first real date was in May, and then by July we were engaged and then married in December the same year.

[Sean Hayes]

Wow, that's awesome. How did you guys meet?

[Nick Jonas]

We had a mutual friend who kept saying, you know, you guys will really hit it off. I want to connect you. And he never did. And I got frustrated waiting, and I saw a billboard of her on Sunset Boulevard for her show Quantico and was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to see if she follows me on Twitter.

[Will Arnett]

And she did.

[Nick Jonas]

And so I messaged her and we went back and forth for a bit. We met for a drink just kind of casually in New York. And it took, you know, a year or a year and a Half for us to really say, all right, let's separate the time in our schedules to just like give this a go. Go on a date and see what happens. And so we did. And it was literally, you know, instant. And we both just kind of knew. So flash forward to the wedding. We decided to do it in India. And we were scrambling to find a place to do it because we had spoken to Priyanka's mother's pundit, her spiritual guide and astrologer, and they had said that the best window, the most auspicious window would be in December. Wow. So we're like, all right, we gotta find a wedding venue. And she showed me this video of this commercial that she had shot at this place, this palace in India. And she was like, there's no way this would ever be available. When I shot here 10 years ago, I said, I want to get married there someday. And so her friend who was with us, her best friend and her best friend's husband, and he's like, let me just cold call them right now and see if they're available for these dates. And he stepped out of the room and he came back about 10 minutes later, he goes, they're available. It's the one weekend this entire year that they have available for a wedding.

[Will Arnett]

Wow.

[Nick Jonas]

How crazy is that? So we did what's called a Sangit ceremony, which is the first night. Basically. It's a really fun tradition where the families. The whole thing is about not just the couple, but introducing the families and integrating them together. And there's the spirit of competition that comes along with Indian weddings. So you basically do a performance and you battle. And the family that wins the performance is the more dominant family. So on her side, you have like her, a global Bollywood icon and Hollywood star, along with a bunch of her cousins and other folks in her family who are also Indian film stars. And then on our side, you've got the motherfucking Jonas Brothers.

[Jason Bateman]

Hello.

[Nick Jonas]

And our friends and family. And it was.

[Jason Bateman]

It was like a song competition, dance competition, but like a show.

[Nick Jonas]

And I'm not even kidding you, it was like a 45 minute show.

[Will Arnett]

Come on. Wow.

[Nick Jonas]

She crushed it. Her side crushed it. And then we came out and I walked out. Cause you know, they did what the actors do in Indian cinema, which is that there's a playback singer, it's called, or an artist, but then the actors on screen, in character, lip sync to the song, although it's a different singer. So they did that. And I walked out and got on the mic and said, you know, we have one thing that was an amazing performance, and you all crushed it. And we're humbled and honored to get to go after you. But we have one thing that you don't live. Microphones. And then we started.

[Jason Bateman]

Is there a strategy to going first or second it, like, did you guys flip a coin to see who. Who would start?

[Nick Jonas]

We. We didn't flip a coin. It just kind of happened that way. And I'm glad it did, because, you know, it put the fear of God in all my friends and family. When we were backstage after and was like, we got a whole line, they brought it like, now's the time. I've never needed you more. And so that we did that. Then basically we did a. Like a western Christian wedding, and then the following day was the Indian ceremony. So three nights. And by the way, that's a short. Considered a short Indian wedding. Usually they can go up to a week or two.

[Will Arnett]

I was just thinking. I was imagining if we introduced that here in America, sort of the competition element to a wedding. And I was just thinking of a wedding up in Massachusetts of two family. I'm like, fuck you. Yeah, you motherfucker. You want them?

[Jason Bateman]

You thought that would be. That was trash.

[Will Arnett]

That was fucking immediately like, here we go. Let's fucking. Let's kill these clowns. Fucking, you know, total brawl.

[Nick Jonas]

Escalate quickly.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. Wow. That's so cool, dude.

[Sean Hayes]

That is really cool.

[Will Arnett]

I can't believe it's already been an hour.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, we didn't get to much.

[Will Arnett]

I know. It's.

[Jason Bateman]

But so much.

[Will Arnett]

It's a good. It's always a good sign when you just roll through. Nick, man, you're such a talent, dude. You're such a great dude, and I just love what you do. And so much admiration for all of it.

[Jason Bateman]

And just the same, thanks for making time while you're there.

[Will Arnett]

Work.

[Jason Bateman]

Right. You're in your trailer there. Thank you for doing this now.

[Nick Jonas]

Of course. And I'd love to come back next time with the bros, too.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, we'd love that. We'd love that.

[Jason Bateman]

We got to be some golf. You know, we got to get it all done.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, let's get it all done.

[Nick Jonas]

Thanks for having me, guys. This was awesome.

[Jason Bateman]

The dog play, too, you know, we can just.

[Will Arnett]

Okay.

[Sean Hayes]

You know what?

[Will Arnett]

That's it for Nick. Okay. So, Jason. We're good. Okay. Somebody cut off Jason's mic. Thank you, Nick.

[Nick Jonas]

Thank you.

[Sean Hayes]

Thanks, Nick.

[Nick Jonas]

Thanks, buddy.

[Sean Hayes]

Nice to see you again.

[Nick Jonas]

Good to see you.

[Jason Bateman]

See you later. Bye. That's Nick Jonas.

[Will Arnett]

Wow, that is Nick Jonas.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

An impressive dude. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

When I saw. When I saw him backstage with Going Globes with Priyanka, that it was just us three. We were chatting for like, you know, like a half an hour. It was great. It was so cool.

[Will Arnett]

Do you think they rolled their eyes after they walked away from you?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, absolutely. Who doesn't.

[Jason Bateman]

Who the is that? Why is that guy. This guy is such random people.

[Will Arnett]

He goes on and on. I don't care.

[Nick Jonas]

Cooking s'.

[Will Arnett]

Mores.

[Jason Bateman]

He's wearing slippers to an award show.

[Nick Jonas]

Wearing.

[Sean Hayes]

Could you. By the way, that sounds like a dream.

[Jason Bateman]

But I. It's very admirable that he is, you know, just thriving and incredibly relevant and working like a dog and, you know, he's. He's made that transition from child star to. To adult.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. I mean, and started on Broadway.

[Will Arnett]

Actually. I didn't even mention that. He and I years ago went to. To a hospital here in Los Angeles around the holidays and visiting with all these kids who were sick. And he brought his guitar and he played songs for all these kids individually. And it was so. Yeah, it was so moving. Like he was just giving. He was so generous.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. And doesn't stop with his time like that. Like that or. I mean, going from movie to concert to the recording studio to the. It's exhausting. Sounds exhausting.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Jason Bateman]

That was it.

[Will Arnett]

I thought we were both. Thought you were. Yeah. We thought you were leading into.

[Sean Hayes]

No, but they. But they do have. They do have a. A, you know, a. A song. A title called Goodbye. It's. It's an album or a song or something. Yeah. So I got.

[Jason Bateman]

We got to give you a quick lesson on how to do the buy thing.

[Will Arnett]

Well, there's this song called Yes, I will say that. Like his, you know, he, like, he's got the music and the. And the acting and all this stuff and so, like, how does he decide how he's going to. With his career, how he's going to go? Like to buy those two talents.

[Jason Bateman]

This got to be the worst part of every episode.

[Will Arnett]

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[Nick Jonas]

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[Sean Hayes]

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