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I matey. I'm Amanda. And we have a very special weary traveler on our ship with us today. His name is Trevor Evers. Arg.
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What do you mean, weary traveler? I be the captain of this ship.
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What?
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You have the most spongebob pirate voice.
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You are not the captain.
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That's crazy spongebob, me boy. Aye, that's the captain there.
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So what am I, the.
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Whoa, whoa. None of us.
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Hey, don't act like it's not happening on these ships. If a woman is brought in these ships, what's happening there? Whoa. She's not a captain. I wish.
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Right?
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There are a couple very famous female pirates, though, to be fair.
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That's true. And that's me.
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And that's you.
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Okay.
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Was once a. Now a famous pirate.
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Is that.
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I decided I make my own resume.
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That's your lore.
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Look at this. I have a sword. You have a hat. You. You have an eye patch.
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Yeah. For our audio listeners. We're pirates.
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Yeah.
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I didn't get that. We are pirates.
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It is the week of Trevor's birthday. Yay. And because of that, and we've had this plan for, like, a year now. I feel like.
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Yeah.
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Talk about this.
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Yeah.
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You wanted to talk pirates.
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Yeah. Well, I think one of the episodes I came on and we just kind of accidentally started nerding out about it a little bit.
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Yeah.
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I was like, guys, I really like pirates.
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We were like, whoa.
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And then. And then, thankfully, you know, Selena was like, well, do you want to come on and, like, have a dedicated episode to nerd out? So now I get to talk about pirates for. We have, like, four hours, I think, slated for this.
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Yeah. We have a whole day. Happy birthday.
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We're doing this one a bit like a Joe Rogan experience, where we just go for six hours.
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And that's the only way. It's going to be like a Joe Rogan experience.
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That is the only way.
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Just how long it is.
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Like, that. All our ad reads are for supplements. Yeah.
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Gas Station Rhino pill. Thank you for the sponsorship that.
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Yeah. When did you first start loving pirates when you were a kid or an adult.
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I think when I was a kid, I. I really love pirates. I love the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.
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Sorry, hold on.
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Bless.
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I am the Bless.
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May you be blessed.
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Thank you.
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No. Yeah.
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Cuz you grew up in Idaho.
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Yeah.
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So you were nowhere near the ocean.
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Nowhere near the ocean.
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You're like.
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No, I mean, like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Like, I think I was very, like, target, like a. Like, growing up. I love those movies.
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There's Treasure island, of course.
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Treasure Island. One of my favorite books. Probably my favorite book of all time.
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Really?
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Yeah. I love it. And I know for a lot of people, they read it and it's like, that's kind of a tough read. Like, it is a.
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It.
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The book is very. I mean, it's old.
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Why is it a tough read? I can't remember. It's old. 18.
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They're just slower. Like.
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And it's also like, the old, like, Robert Luc. Steven's very committed to, like, using, like, pirate, like, tongue and making it very, like, authentic. And so, like, a lot of the dialogue is just like, wow.
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It's.
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It's hard to understand. One time, actually, I was reading that book, and I was, like, reading it to Raven before we would go to sleep at night. I was, like, reading it in bed.
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I literally was getting to the. You were reading it by candlelight. Yeah.
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And then I was like, maybe I should have picked a different book. Cause I'm getting to the pirate dial dialogue, and it's like, you know, 11 at night, and, like, we're, like, about to sleep, and I'm like, are you salty bastard?
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Please stop.
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Please pick a different.
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I've read plenty of books from that era, but it is. It can be tough.
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Yeah.
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Like, I remember trying to read Moby Dick and stuff, and I'm just like, man, Moby Dick was a tough boy.
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Read it in school.
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Moby Dick is like. Yeah. Okay. As far as, like, books go, Moby Dick is a thousand times tougher of a read than, like, Treasure Island. It is like a children's book.
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Yeah. I read A Thousand Leagues under the Sea. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like. It's cool. It's cool to be like, whoa, this was insane for the time that it was written.
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Yeah.
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But it's still just like, what they find exciting is a different plot.
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Yeah.
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Like, it's not gonna have the same twists and turns and character arcs that we're used to.
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It's actually crazy. Like, Treasure island when you okay. I'm gonna take a fiat pitch. I'm like my vision.
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Your eye works. Yeah.
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Wow.
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Actually, if you turn the lights off, I could probably see really good out of this eye because that's what. You know how people do that where like, if you're about to go into a dark place or isn't that.
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Is that. I've heard that lore about pirates that they wore an eye patch even though they weren't missing an eye, so that when they went under deck, they could take that off and they were adjusted to what?
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I actually haven't heard that, but that would make a lot of sense. It's like that from.
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I didn't make it up, but I think I read something online where someone else had made it up and wrote
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it out in a post, read it stories.
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But it sounds. It makes sense to me.
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Yeah. No, do they wear it to be like, I'm a bad ass, don't mess with me. I'm so.
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Well, they did do a lot of intimidation.
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Yeah.
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Selena thinks maybe it's when you look through the spyglass.
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Why would they have the eye patch to look, you know.
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You know, it's hard to like, do this. So instead of doing this, they would just quickly go right to it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. All right.
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A multifunctional tool.
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So pirates. Can we give a little bit of a preface of like, piracy and the age of piracy?
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Yeah.
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So very good.
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I'm happy to give an overview. It's so tough because I think that I really could just talk for so long. So feel free to ask questions or steer me in any direction.
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We'll steer you.
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Basically, the golden age of piracy was from about like 1650 to 1730.
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Very short. 80 years.
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Very short. Very short. Yeah. Well, it was really like. It overlapped greatly with the period of like, expansion into the New World. So that's like kind of. Because the, the first era of the golden age of piracy, it's like split into three eras. And the first era was from 1650 into like the, the early 1700s. And it's called the Buccaneering Era.
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Ooh.
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And so Spain. Spain was very. They were. They were early arrivers to the New World. They were in on it early. The market was bullish on the New World and colonization and. And the other European nations were like, we want to get in on that, but a navy is very expensive. And also the golden age of piracy overlapped with what was called the Age of Sail. And so the age of sail is basically when like masted Ships became the primary method of travel and commerce and also, like, warfare. So all of these nations were, like, working on their navies very heavily, but.
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But I mean, still in the Buccaneer era.
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Yeah, yeah, the Buccaneering area. So there were what were called privateers, and basically, I mean, the journey across the Atlantic Ocean was really long, and it was very hard to, like, coordinate a navy and very expensive. And so these nations, what they took to doing instead was giving pirates what was called the letter of mark. And essentially it would be like the king of England would be like, hey, here's a letter of mark.
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You're. You're.
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We're going to allow you to do piracy. We won't hunt your ships. You can dock in our ports as long as you only attack ships from other nations. So don't attack any English ships. Go have your way with Spanish, like, whoever. And a lot of the nation, like, a lot of European nations were at war with Spain at this time.
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But would they. Would they. Would the king want some of the booty? The booty that they take from these ships?
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Yeah. So they would take a percentage of whatever they put in. But, yeah, I mean, for pirates is a pretty sweet deal because it's like they could, you know, legally unload their goods and the king would take a percent percentage, but they could kind of just get up to their activities whatever
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they wanted to do.
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And it was a way for other European nations to kind of disrupt Spain's, like, chokehold on the New World.
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Because Spain had a lot of, like, roots for trade. They basically. Yeah, they dominated that.
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Yeah, they just got there very early. They were getting there very early and kind of getting, like, first dibs on.
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What were they trading?
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Well, there were a lot of, like, things in New World. Like, tobacco was a big one. Honestly, a lot of the Spanish, they were just. I mean, they were just killing, you know, indigenous populations. And a lot of, like, what they were getting from, like, South America was gold. Like, they were just like Spanish treasure gallons. They were just.
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They were like, the. The governments were effectively pirates. Like, everybody was pirates. Yeah, like, everybody's stealing, but you're stealing from people who are stealing, right?
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Yeah.
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So pirates were actually cool because they're like, we're. We wear our name proudly. We're pirates.
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There is a moral argument for the fact because, like, obviously pirates, you know, are painted as, like, oh, they're the bad guys. They're attacking. But, like, the English and the Spanish and the French, they were coming over and they were just killing people and they were bringing disease. Like Nassau, actually, which was a very big pirate hub on New Providence island, which is now the Bahamas.
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Yeah.
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When Spain first arrived there, they just either enslaved or killed the entire indigenous population of, like, New Providence Island. They brought disease. And then the people that didn't die to disease, they sold as slaves and used to, you know, farm plantations and sugar cane and things. So, like, all of the colonizers, really terrible people. And not to say that pirates didn't also get up to their fair share of terrible things. Yeah, I love pirates, but I also feel like every time I talk about it, I preface. Like, there were a lot of pirates that did very bad things.
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Naughty.
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Like, Sir Francis Drake is one of the most famous, like, explorers and privateers of all time. He was operating heavily, like, during the Buccaneering era, and he was just a slaver. Like, he just bought and sold slaves as well. And so, like, a lot of these people that are renowned. I mean, he was the second guy to circumnavigate the world. And, like, he's this very renowned explorer, but he's just.
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But also bad, dude. They. They call themselves privateers. Not pirates.
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Correct.
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Privateers or buccaneers. And that was really only if you had, like, a letter of mark, then you were a privateer. Got it. And so, yeah, during this period, like, of all these nations being at war with Spain, privateers are just kind of going at it. They were plundering ships and creating little, like, colonies and, you know, bringing, like, England would send over governors. Like, they took over New Providence island, but they were kind of just having their way over in the Spanish Main.
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Did the Spanish have privateers and buccaneers of their own?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's kind of like almost like a mini war happening.
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Exactly. It was like, it was very. It was a lot easier for them to just send people out to be, like, fight each other and.
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Because, yeah, of course they do their dirty work.
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Yeah, they were just trying to disrupt Spain and take their stuff and the gold that they were plundering and all that. And so that was the Buccaneering era.
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That's the 1500s.
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That's like 1650 right into to late or early 1700s.
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Would Spanish privateers be called privateers?
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Yeah, I mean, they probably had another name for it, but that's kind of like, overall.
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L. Privateers.
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Yeah. L. Private.
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So nobody ever referred to themselves as a pirate?
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No, I think not. Not at that time.
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Okay.
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Okay. But so Pirates of the Caribbean, it's like, nobody's gonna say you're a pirate.
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Well, you never know.
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Yeah.
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Back to the show.
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Back to the show.
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Well, so a lot of the modern media that you see in the. In the parts of, like, pirate history that are very romanticized is actually in what's called the post Spanish Succession period. So the war of Spanish Succession ended, and then there was kind of like a peace time. So in peacetime, all these privateers now just defaulted back to being pirates. Like, once the letters of mark, like,
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we're no longer at war.
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So the English are like, well, don't attack Spanish ships. And now they're just pirates again.
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So. So they don't have a letter of marque. They're kind of free. Reign of the seas.
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Yeah, yeah. And so the post Spanish succession is when you see a lot of, like, the very famous pirates. That's when they were operating. So like your Blackbeards, you know, your Calico Jack, your Anne, Bonnie, and your Mary Reed, all these very. A lot of the very famous pirates.
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And Mary Reed are the famous pirates. Female pirates.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was from. It was a very short period of time. That was like 1710. Okay.
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And don't. They didn't do it for that long.
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They weren't around five days that they threw them overboard.
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It was. It was a very short period, but it was a very that's when like a lot of the crazy exploits were happening in this area where there was
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no letters of mark.
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Yeah. And then in between the privateering area and the post Spanish succession was called the Pirate Round period. So that was like also pretty short.
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Rounding up all the pirates.
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Yeah, exactly, they were rounding up. No, it was, it was named that because one of the major trade routes actually from England over into the Mughal Empire, so what is now like modern day India, the British East India Company, they would. Pirates would sail from England, down around the coast of Africa up to Madagascar and into the Indian Ocean. And that was a very popular place for pirates to operate. So plundering like British trade ships that were bringing spices over from India and like Mughal treasure ships. So that was a very profitable. A lot of the most profitable pirates were operating in the Pirate round. And it was just. Yeah, because you would just sail down around the cape of. The Cape of Good Hope.
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And what ships were they rubbing? They were robbing East India Company.
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Yeah, a lot of British ships were there and I mean there were Spanish ships as well, like just trading with. With India. But then, yeah, the, the Mughal Empire was kind of the. It was like an Islamic empire that was very powerful and very wealthy. And it was basically what is now like a lot of modern day India and Bangladesh was kind big. The big.
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When you say treasure ships, are you talking ships full of gold?
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Yeah, I'm talking trips full of just like jewels, gold, all that stuff.
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Why were they, what were they doing? Were they bringing it over somewhere?
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Yeah, just trading.
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That era's equivalent of like an armored bank truck. Like it's like we gotta move this cash or this exact good somehow in the fastest ways. By ship.
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Exactly.
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Because you can't like on land, that's. You're probably more vulnerable on land.
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Yeah, on land there's. I mean there's still like highwaymen and things in the journey's like a lot longer. You could get places so much faster by ship. And the Mughal Empire was very like they're responsible for building like the Taj Mahal. So it was like a lot of art. Like they had just a ton of wealth. And so that was the Pirate Round period. And very famous pirate rounder was Henry Every, who is known as the king of the pirates. And he's very famous for plundering the. The Emperor of Mughal, his personal treasure ship. He stole it and estimated I think at the time like 600,000 British pounds. Which the calculation is something massive. Yeah, I mean the calculation, it's like over like 200 million. Like, I think it's somewhere between like 150 million.
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That's.
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And he didn't have to give any of it to anybody else other than his. His crew.
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Yeah, correct. He. He made off with it.
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I think something that makes, like, historical eras fascinating to read about is compared to modern day where, like, the scope of like, the amount of power that governments have now with like, techno technology.
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Yeah.
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Is so immense that back then, though, it's like if you and a few, like, enough guys had a ship.
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Yeah.
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It's like you can take on. Yeah. The. Anything kind of.
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Yeah.
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Like, I know your chances are going to die, but, like, probably not. I feel like the thought of like something of that equivalent happening nowadays just seems so impossible.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Because there's no private group of people that can take on like.
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Yeah.
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A nation's most powerful device or ship. You know, it's like not possible.
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You take someone's ship and it could take weeks for whoever owns the ship to find out about.
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To find out. And then they're already. They're already gone. And also, I don't think the people on. The People on their ship are fully equipped to handle a group of privateers because what are they coming on the ship with? Do they have weapons? Like a bunch of weapons or.
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Yeah. So a lot of pirate warfare is basically, you have like, you know, your broadside cannons. And when ships would fight, usually they would come up alongside each other and they would fire the broadsides. And then the whole point was like, you kind of wanted to make the ship weak enough to then get on and board it. So once you were close enough, you would throw out the hooks, pull the ship in, and then, you know, throw across the gangplanks and.
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And then you would take everything on that ship back to your ship.
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Well, you would fight, you know, guns and swords take over the ship. And what. Sometimes you would. Sometimes pirates would just take what they could carry. Sometimes they would take the ship with them if they could tow.
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I was going to say, because like a certain amount of weight at a certain point.
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Yeah.
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Because gold is heavy.
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It's really heavy.
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So all the people on the ship either got tossed off, killed, or held.
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Yeah.
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Prisoner.
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Yeah.
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So that was another thing is like, when. When they would take. A lot of pirates would offer, like, survivors. Some people would just kill everyone, but survivors. Yeah. Like once a ship, like once it was very common for like, once you knew the pirates, like, took control of your ship or whatever, a lot of people just surrender outright. So, like if it was like a merchant ship, they'd be like, we don't want to fight. Like, take whatever you want and just like, please let us live. Yeah, Some pirates would honor that. Some pirates would take the ship. Sometimes they would be like, well, whoever wants to join our crew can, and we're going to kill the rest.
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Did Henry Evers, was he. Was he a kind one?
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It's. I mean, it's tough to say exactly how like kind one pirate or another was, but honestly, I don't know. I don't know if there's like much specific.
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Would you be a kind pirate, Trevor?
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I like to think I would. I like to think I would.
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You'd be nasty.
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I'd be dead. I would be dead.
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Oh wait, you would be the one who was like the top commander guarding the gold and you would fight to the death to guard the gold, Is that right?
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No, I'm saying I'd probably die of some disease. Week one, you're like, yeah, I would just fucking die. A cannon would misfire and I'd explode.
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I'd just stand on the ship.
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Like, you have to wonder what's the like typical survival rate of a pirate? Like, pretty bad. It's got to be atrocious.
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Low because you can get really, really well.
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A
It's also insane to think about how many shipwrecks there are in the world. Like if you went out on a wooden ship back in the day, it's like you're going to die.
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C
Yeah.
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B
No, it was like you were just. Is a coin flip on whether or not you were going to live or die. People would just get. You would get killed boarding. You'd get trapped. Outrums. Sickness.
- [20:58]
A
Sickness. But just like the. The ocean is just a cruel mistress.
- [21:01]
B
Yeah.
- [21:02]
C
Oh my.
- [21:02]
A
You know, they were literally like storms. Like you. You sail the wrong day and it's just. Your ship is just broken apart.
- [21:10]
B
Yeah.
- [21:10]
A
Like, you think about how fucked up ships are nowadays. Yeah.
- [21:14]
C
Yeah.
- [21:15]
A
And then you think about one with no electricity or plumbing.
- [21:18]
C
People are still getting sick on cruises.
- [21:20]
B
Yeah.
- [21:20]
C
They're wiping people out left and right.
- [21:22]
B
Storms are dangerous. But then I mean in when all you have to propel you is wind and sails, you people would like pirates would. Could get trapped out in doldrums and they could just be sitting like literally the ship not moving in still water for weeks and people just starve.
- [21:38]
C
Water. What like. And yeah, so, so they're obviously, they need to dock obviously to get water and everything. Is their ship like commonly known as like, oh, that's a pirate ship. You know how pirates of the Caribbean look at this ship. See, it's got the skull on it. Yeah.
- [21:53]
A
Like, because they would have pirate flags.
- [21:55]
B
Yeah. So usually when you would. That would like, you wouldn't be flying, you know, the, the black flag the entire time you were sailing. Like, generally speaking, you would want to be a little bit more incognito. And then once you were about to attack a ship, like, if they were like, okay, there's a prize.
- [22:13]
C
Peace and love, everybody.
- [22:15]
B
It's just a rainbow flag.
- [22:18]
A
They're like, that's gonna mean something someday. Yeah. But for now it's refracted light. And they're like, not even that. That hasn't even invented yet.
- [22:30]
C
Okay, so that's hilarious. Okay, so you have, you have the rounders and then we go to the peacetime.
- [22:39]
B
Yeah. So the post Spanish succession peacetime, all the pirates are now they're just pirates. And for a lot of them it was very like it was more desirable than just joining a navy because funny enough, for how bad the conditions were, being a sailor, pirates were actually like very democratic. And like the pirate code was a real thing. The very early iterations of it, it's attributed to like multiple different people. Henry Every had a pirate code, but the most like complete pirate code that we have access to is Bartholomew Roberts, who is a very famous pirate captain in the post Spanish succession period. And there were some really good, like, it was a very. Some of the like, very like highlighted points in it were the payment system on pirate ships was very like, pretty even. So the captain and the quartermaster would get two shares. The like, gunner and the boatswain would. The like master gunner. And the boson would get like the boson. The boson is essentially like sort of like third like right hand man to the quartermaster. Okay, Quartermaster and the boson, like kind of.
- [23:58]
C
He. He's.
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B
He spoke for like a lot of the crew. He was kind of like a representative
- [24:03]
A
almost, but more of a manager or like they're all do. Everybody has physical tasks.
- [24:07]
C
Yeah, he's like a talent manager.
- [24:09]
A
Yeah.
- [24:09]
B
And so they would get a share.
- [24:10]
A
They have hr.
- [24:13]
C
Sounds like the boatswain is kind of hr Maybe.
- [24:15]
B
Well, like kind of like the quartermaster and the bosun were. Because the captain had like complete control in like situations of battle. But outside of that, the quartermaster is really in charge of like holding votes and paying out shares and like bringing issues to the captain. And if the crew didn't like the captain and didn't think that he was doing a good Job, they could put it to a vote, and the crew would vote on whether or not they wanted a new captain.
- [24:40]
A
And that was completely fine.
- [24:42]
B
That.
- [24:43]
A
That's not. Like, the captain wouldn't be like, I'm gonna kill you for doing that. Yeah.
- [24:46]
B
I mean, if the captain was a bad person, but if. You know.
- [24:49]
A
But overall, the captain could get demoted to quartermaster, and quartermaster becomes.
- [24:52]
C
So the captain's just, like, washing the deck the next one day, the captain could get demoted.
- [24:58]
B
He could become a regular crew member. A lot of times, if the captain did get voted out, he's probably being really awful, and they would, like, maroon him. Sometimes they would just straight up kill the captain.
- [25:07]
C
Jack Sparrow.
- [25:09]
A
A full mutiny.
- [25:10]
B
Yeah, a full mutiny.
- [25:11]
A
Would it be called a mutiny if they just voted him out? Or is that kind of a different thing?
- [25:16]
B
I. I don't actually know. Like, technically, what would qualify as a
- [25:21]
C
community is, like, you're going against them, and you. I think you maroon them on an island or something.
- [25:25]
B
A mutiny, I think more so is like, something done in secret and without, like. Like, not putting it to a. It's like a group of people to rise up and just kill the captain without, like, voting on it, without working
- [25:33]
A
as a, like, full team. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [25:35]
C
That would suck to be marooned on an island. I think about that.
- [25:38]
A
I think it'd probably be better to get shot than get marooned, because definitely in my head as a kid, I definitely romanticized, like, just islands and stuff because I would. We would go to Key West. We'd go to the Key west in the summer, and, like, we'd just be out in the ocean. I'm just like, this is amazing. And I would be like, I could survive on a stranded island. It's like, no, you're gonna die. You're just gonna die a slow death.
- [25:56]
C
What? No way.
- [25:57]
B
It's gonna be hot. You're gonna get dehydrated.
- [26:00]
A
You're gonna meet people so tough. You're gonna. You're gonna meet. You're gonna. Deserted island unparalleled.
- [26:06]
C
You're gonna live there, like, Blue Lagoon. Your hair's gonna get the. So long. You're gonna get so tan.
- [26:11]
A
Hell no. This isn't Cast Away.
- [26:13]
B
Yeah, but the pirate. I mean, there were a lot of other really, like, there was, like, workers comp. Like, there was in. Bartholomew Roberts, like, pirate.
- [26:21]
A
A pig leg.
- [26:22]
B
Yeah. If you, like, lost an arm or a limb, like, during battle or working on the ship.
- [26:26]
A
Yeah.
- [26:27]
B
They pay out, like, 800, like, pieces of eight to be like, hey, you lost A leg in battle. Like, we're gonna pay you out money. And then they would pay, like, less if, like, the injury was, like, more minor or whatever. But.
- [26:37]
C
And none of these men have, like, a home with families or some do, generally speaking.
- [26:44]
B
I think it was less forever life, I think. Yeah. I think some people did have, like, you know, there might have been some, like, pirate captains that would, like, settle down or have families or whatever, but I think it was. It was not very common.
- [26:57]
C
I think you never see that.
- [26:58]
A
Yeah. You're gone, like, all year round. Like, how much time are they even spending on land ever?
- [27:04]
B
I mean, not a lot. Most land wasn't safe for them.
- [27:07]
C
Right.
- [27:07]
B
I think I was thinking, yeah, there were very few. So, like, like I said, like, Nassau is a big, like, pirate hub. Port Royal was a big pirate hub. Madagascar actually was a very. So pirate hub.
- [27:18]
A
You really only hear about the. The Caribbean. You don't hear much about, like, the world. So it was a very worldwide phenomenon for this 80 years.
- [27:25]
B
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Ching Shih was a Chinese pirate, and she commanded, like, the largest pirate fleet in history.
- [27:33]
A
And how many ships do you know?
- [27:35]
B
Oh, my gosh.
- [27:36]
A
Is this of the same era? This is a different era.
- [27:39]
B
This is, like, not. Yeah, this is not. I actually, Selena might. Might fact check me here on, like, what year she operated. I don't believe it was during, like, the Golden Age, but it was like,
- [27:48]
C
when is the golden age?
- [27:49]
A
17 or 1650 to 1730.
- [27:52]
C
So the piece. The Peace Age, the Spanish Peace Age, and then it's the Golden Age.
- [27:57]
B
No. So the post Spanish succession period was, like, basically the end. Right. Right at the end of piracy. Because once the nations were no longer at war, then that freed up everyone's attention to be like, oh, the pirates are kind of a problem. They're like, we've been using them, like, as privateers. We've been, like, taking advantage of them existing. But now that everyone's at peace and everything in the new world is kind of settled, it's like, okay, now we should probably deal with these people that are just killing merchants and taking all of our, like, ship and stuff.
- [28:29]
C
So the Golden Age was before that?
- [28:32]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [28:32]
C
The.
- [28:32]
B
The post Spanish succession was right at the end. But it's also the most romanticized. It's what you see in media a lot is. Is the. The golden age of piracy or is that.
- [28:41]
C
Why is it so romanticized?
- [28:43]
B
I think it's just those are the very famous pirates. It's when you have, like, a lot of the, like, exploits of of like Blackbeard and, and a lot of like, you know, people being chased. Woods Rogers was sent in to Nassau and he was basically like the scourge of the pirates. So right in this period, once there was like kind of peacetime England offered like a blanket pardon. They were like, if you, like, come in, like, we'll pardon you for all of your pirate deeds, we'll let you off scot free as long as you just promise not to be a pirate again. And so a lot of, for a lot of pirates that have just been.
- [29:22]
C
They did it.
- [29:23]
B
They were like, yeah, I'll take whatever money I have and try and go live like a normal life.
- [29:28]
C
Whoa.
- [29:30]
B
But then there were also a lot of pirates that, you know, they, they, they fought to the bitter end. Yeah, they, they could never. And that's like a lot of the more famous, like Bartholomew Roberts, he was, he was at it right until the end. He, I believe, has the. Historically the most ships ever, like, captured by a single pirate. I think he captured something like over 400 ships.
- [29:52]
A
Oh, my God.
- [29:53]
B
Yeah. In his time as a pirate. And what's crazy is a lot of these, like, post Spanish Succession pirates, they were only operating for like, they just not going hard. They were going. I think Blackbeard literally only like, was a pirate, like, and was actually out sailing for like two years.
- [30:10]
C
Could you imagine you have a job for two years and you're a legend forever.
- [30:14]
B
Yeah, it's. I mean, basically we already did it. I mean, we're, we're legends forever, the three of us.
- [30:22]
A
Yeah. For this one episode. It makes sense though, because you think about two years on a ship nonstop.
- [30:29]
B
Yeah.
- [30:30]
A
You can only go for so long before you.
- [30:32]
B
Yeah.
- [30:33]
A
Potentially like, die. Yeah. So.
- [30:36]
B
And it was tough too, because then after the pardons, then Woods Rogers employed a lot of pirate, former pirates as pirate hunters. So, like, Captain Benjamin Hornigold was a very famous pirate and he became like a Pete. He started working with Woodes Rogers and started hunting pirates. And so it was kind of this like, very cannibalistic thing at the end where it's like, okay, you can either remain a pirate or you can stop being a pirate, or you can just start go hunting down the people you used to like bounty hunters with.
- [31:08]
C
That's kind of fun.
- [31:09]
B
Historically, there is an argument to be made. A lot of historians that like, have studied pirates. They do believe that if, if, if the pirates in the post Spanish Succession period and in this like, very tumultuous time in the New World had any sort of leadership and Any ability to like work together and just not be generally stupid. That there could have been a legitimate pirate empire created in the New World, like in the Caribbean, like the English, really, if all the pirates had worked together, they wouldn't have had the power to like overcome the threat of pirates as quickly as they did.
- [31:46]
C
Well, there are modern pirates right now.
- [31:49]
A
Yeah, well, pirates have been an ongoing. There's never a time that ever they haven't existed.
- [31:53]
B
But since commerce has existed, there have been, you know, highwaymen and bandits and pirates. Like, yeah, anytime there's been merchant goods to be plundered, there have been people to plunder them.
- [32:05]
A
I remember reading a book on Cleopatra and in like one of her battles with one of her siblings, I think she was like, she enlisted a bunch of pirates to like fight in her army.
- [32:15]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [32:16]
A
Well, it's like, oh yeah, epic book. Ancient like. But like ancient pirates are a very real thing. Like pirates are. Yeah. And pirates still, anyone? It's just a term for people who are committing crimes on the ocean. Yeah, that's really all it is.
- [32:29]
B
There were a lot of pirates in the Mediterranean. So like off the coast of North Africa, they were called the Barbary Corsairs was a very famous group of pirates. But yeah, I mean we again, like the, the very big and well known ones were all kind of operating in the, in the, in the Caribbean. But there were pirates.
- [32:48]
C
Yeah.
- [32:48]
B
All over the world.
- [32:49]
C
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- [32:59]
A
Oh, I don't know. I'd be lost at sea if it wasn't for my Rocket Money dashboard.
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C
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A
That's a lot of treasure.
- [33:25]
C
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- [33:34]
A
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C
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A
Sorry. I know pirates are scary.
- [34:16]
C
That was wild.
- [34:17]
A
I know. It just came through me.
- [34:20]
C
Good for you, buddy.
- [34:21]
A
Thanks.
- [34:22]
C
Talk to me about this female pirate that you mentioned earlier.
- [34:24]
A
And.
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C
And no.
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B
Oh, Ching chi.
- [34:27]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [34:28]
B
How many ships was it? Did you get the number?
- [34:30]
C
Yes. So she operated from 1801 to 1810. So after.
- [34:34]
A
Oh, 1800s.
- [34:35]
C
Yeah. And she was the leader of. Where was it? Approximately 400 junks and between 40,000 to 70,000 pirates.
- [34:47]
A
Yeah, but wait, 40,000 pirates? 40,000 pirates under one person's command?
- [34:51]
B
Yeah.
- [34:52]
C
What? Correct. She must have been awesome.
- [34:54]
B
Yeah, she was. She actually. So she, like, basically took over the pirate fleet from, like, her husband. Her husband was, like, a pirate captain, and then he died, and she took command and just, like, made, like. Yeah. One of the greatest pirate fleets of all time and operated. And basically, I mean, for what it was is probably the closest thing to, like, a pirate, like, empire that you could have. I mean, there was, like. She was basically operating unchallenged in, like, you know, the Indian Ocean and South.
- [35:25]
C
How many ship. How. How did they communicate with each other? I mean, big of a fleet.
- [35:30]
B
Yeah. For that big a fleet, she probably just had a lot of, like, generals and captains and, like, had, like, I would imagine, like, kind of hubs of command and stuff.
- [35:40]
C
It's kind of incredible that they, you know, sailed across the seas with no real way to communicate other than hoping to meet up.
- [35:50]
B
Yeah. No, it's crazy. Like, people, you could just be like, hey, man, I'm going out to, like, catch a prize. Like, I'll catch you on the flip side. And then your buddy just never comes back. He's just gone forever.
- [36:00]
A
Is that crazy? That's how things kind of worked until, like, relatively recently.
- [36:04]
B
Yeah, it's great.
- [36:06]
A
Like, up until, like, when we were teenagers, it was like, all right, I'm going out. Like, there's no way to contact me until I find a phone. But, like, really, back then, it was like, well, if you write great, we'll find out. It's. I was listening to a thing about Alexander the Great, and his dad was murdered at, like, a wedding. Right. Philip ii. And it Was like a crazy, like, Game of Thrones type of thing where he was like, stabbed in the middle of a celebration. And it was like, oh, you know, Persia was really nervous about this guy because, like, Greeks and Macedonia and Persia and it was like, well, they're going to get word about it, like months later.
- [36:45]
B
Yeah.
- [36:46]
A
But it was even crazier because there's a part where, like, in another city nearby, the. The, like, leader of that city had a messenger who was able to get to him in time to tell him, like, he's been killed.
- [36:57]
B
Yeah.
- [36:57]
A
And then he gives a speech to his town of like, I prophesize that a great death is going to happen.
- [37:03]
B
Yeah.
- [37:03]
A
And then is able to be like, oh, because I have this info before anybody else does. I can make it look like I'm predicting this is about to happen.
- [37:10]
B
Yeah.
- [37:10]
A
And then news officially arrives. Because it takes months.
- [37:14]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [37:15]
A
For like, the world to find out about, like, massive things. It's so crazy. Like, you think about, like, if, like, when JFK was assassinated, if it took like a month for everyone to find out about it, but it did. Well, no, but I'm saying, I'm saying imagine if, like, that's how things were. But it's like, oh, did you hear the President got shot two months ago? It's like, oh, my God. What?
- [37:35]
C
Like, could you imagine if, like, you had a family and your, you know, your partner went off sailing years.
- [37:43]
A
Like, where's Greg? Well, he went off. He went off sailing and he's been. And. And he's doing his whole pirate thing.
- [37:49]
B
Doing this pirate thing.
- [37:51]
C
I slept with the neighbor.
- [37:52]
A
You know, he had a letter of mark at one point, but now he doesn't and I still doing it.
- [37:56]
B
I told him to get an apprenticeship with the blacksmith, but he just didn't want to do it.
- [37:59]
C
He wanted to go be a pirate.
- [38:01]
B
I told him, get a stable job, maybe join. If you want to be at sea, join a merchant ship.
- [38:06]
C
He wants to hang out with his. Its friends 24 7. What am I supposed to.
- [38:08]
B
You wanted to go hang out with Charles Vane, the cool kid on the block.
- [38:12]
C
Charles Vane.
- [38:13]
A
I think pirates just had the best branding in history. Like, the names are cool, the look is cool. I know a lot of it's been polished up over time. Like, I know they probably didn't look and sound like what we know them as. Like, it's so colorful and so, like, vibrant in how it's portrayed. But I'm like, I know it was all dirty and shitty.
- [38:35]
C
Yeah, it was shit.
- [38:37]
A
It was probably the grossest.
- [38:39]
B
Most pirates were dirty. But there is. There is actually a lot of, like, there were pirates that were very, like, gaudy. I mean, very. Jack Rackham is a very famous pirate,
- [38:49]
C
meaning, like, covered in jewels and.
- [38:51]
B
Yeah. And his nickname is called Calico Jack.
- [38:54]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [38:55]
C
Calico Jack. Yep.
- [38:57]
B
Jack because of just all the crazy clothes he wore. Like, he just wore really beautiful, like, colorful Gucci, like, big Louis Vuitton Gucci slides, bro. Got the Gucci slides.
- [39:09]
A
This guy's gonna die. He's wearing Gucci slides on a ship.
- [39:11]
C
Did he have, like. Was he, like, draped in, like, linen, like, velvet? That'd be so hot.
- [39:18]
B
Big capes and cloaks, big plumed hats. Like, that was what, like, lots of jewelry? They say that pirates, like, a lot of pirates wore, like, a lot of expensive, like, gold jewelry and bangles. So if they died at sea and their bodies washed up on shore, they. Whoever found them would, like, have, like, money to give them, like, a proper burial. They would. They would, like, what a crazy reason
- [39:41]
A
to wear expensive jewels.
- [39:42]
B
They would, like, etch their names into, like, pieces of the jewelry that they wore so that, like, if someone washed up, they'd be like, I want to be like, this is where I'm from or where I want to be buried. And they would have money.
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C
I kind. Side note, I really want, like, really, really, like, two pairs of nice jewelry that I can etch, that I can, like, pass on. I've always thought about that. Like, engraving really nice pieces of jewelry that I can pass on forever and ever. Yeah.
- [40:06]
B
What did you engrave? What are you going to engrave on it? Should do something.
- [40:11]
C
Bloody woman.
- [40:13]
A
Well, we found this skeleton. There's a necklace here. It just says on it, I know who that is.
- [40:21]
B
The most famous pirate. Tall.
- [40:24]
A
It says, bury this tall in Portugal.
- [40:27]
C
Tall in Portugal.
- [40:28]
A
Okay.
- [40:29]
C
I guess feast. I don't know. I just always thought about, like, engraving my name on really nice pieces of jewelry and passing it on and on.
- [40:37]
B
That'd be awesome.
- [40:38]
A
Well, it have an heirloom.
- [40:39]
C
Yeah, an heirloom.
- [40:40]
B
You might be a pirate.
- [40:41]
C
I mean, I'm obsessed with this, so you told me to read the Aminah book. Amina el Sarafi.
- [40:46]
A
Oh, yeah. That book is awesome.
- [40:48]
C
I love that book. It's about a female pirate. And the second book just came out of hers.
- [40:52]
A
Yes.
- [40:52]
B
She wrote it years later.
- [40:53]
C
Tapestry of Fate. I'm going to read it. But, like, like, that book is all about a female pirate who's retired and has to go back and save her daughter. And And I, I was like, damn.
- [41:05]
A
Yeah, it's cool. It falls into the fantasy of like it's really fun. Cuz that's, that's more.
- [41:10]
C
It's pirate fantasy.
- [41:11]
A
But what ocean is that? It's more like Mediterranean. Yeah. Yeah.
- [41:15]
C
Like gorgeous colors and foods and I
- [41:19]
A
love like pirate and just like ocean as a setting.
- [41:23]
B
Yeah.
- [41:23]
A
Right. Like it's such a fun. Like I know it's nowhere realistic, but Pirates of the Caribbean is just so fun. Like there's something so. Because the ocean is so mysterious.
- [41:33]
B
Yeah.
- [41:33]
A
So people who are operating there. I think that's what makes it fun is that like there's skirmishes and battles happening out on the ocean, but they are all so outmatched by the environment they're in. And that makes it so fun. They're at the whim of that. They're like, we can only go if the wind permits it.
- [41:52]
B
Yeah.
- [41:52]
A
We're only afloat if the ocean allows us to. Yeah. Like that makes it so fun.
- [41:57]
B
Yeah. No, I love, I love pirate media. Amanda and I, I will. Did we talk about this on the show? Maybe brought it up. But Black Sails.
- [42:04]
C
Yep.
- [42:05]
B
The pirate show I watched.
- [42:07]
C
I don't think I finished Black Sails, but I watched a lot of it.
- [42:10]
B
It's so good.
- [42:11]
C
And you love that show.
- [42:12]
B
It might be my favorite show of all time.
- [42:14]
C
I think. Like, it's so intense.
- [42:16]
B
It's. It incorporates like all like so many of like the. Very famous. So the, the. The concept of the show is it's basically like, well, like like prologue to Treasure Island. So it follows Captain Flint because in, in Treasure island, like the, the protagonist or the, the main characters like Long John Silver and Jim Hawkins and they're trying to find Captain Flint's treasure. So Black Sails follows Captain Flint and like the story of how he became a very like famous, like infamous pirate. Because Captain Flint wasn't like a real pirate. It. But in the show they have all.
- [42:53]
C
He was like. He was married, he had a family and he, they. He didn't really want to do that.
- [42:57]
B
Yeah. Yeah. He was like a former like naval cat. And it's. There were a lot of like former like navy men that became.
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A
Makes sense because you need a lot of training.
- [43:05]
B
Yeah.
- [43:06]
A
And you need a ship. Like that's. It was kind of the perfect storm to create this. It's not like people could just be like, oh, I'm just gonna.
- [43:14]
B
Yeah.
- [43:14]
A
Grab a ship and go. It's like, that's such a. Yeah.
- [43:17]
B
And like on like I was talking about earlier, the, the pirate Code, like, conditions, like, as far as, like, like being on a ship and being paid, like, conditions on pirate ships generally were better. Like in the, in, in like the British Navy, like, the captain had, like, final authority on anything. You could never question him. The pay was set and it wasn't based on, like, how much you actually plundered because, like, pirates were given out, like, equal shares. And so it's like you only had a certain amount. And so, like, like when the war ended and like, a lot of these, like, navy guys were like, like, losing their jobs or whatever. It's like, yeah, go, go be a pirate.
- [43:52]
A
Yeah.
- [43:52]
C
That show is so good. It's also heartbreaking.
- [43:55]
B
It is a brutal, brutal. They. I think it. The reason I love that show so much is because it does have, like, all these famous pirates and from what I know, like, and have, like, read, like, they're pretty, like, accurate to like, what their, like, personalities and how they would be. But it just shows piracy and all of its, like, really cool, like, magnificent, like, sailing the seven seas and then also the really awful, terrible, gruesome parts. And it just kind of paints it a very complete picture.
- [44:26]
C
But it's like the best depiction of what we think.
- [44:30]
A
It's kind of one of the only pirate shows, though. It's not kind of. Yeah, well, it's probably an expensive thing to make. Yeah, right.
- [44:37]
B
Yeah. There's a scene in the show where they show, like, keel hauling. Do you know, like, what keel hauling is?
- [44:42]
A
It sounds familiar. Is that a way of killing someone?
- [44:45]
B
It's like a torture way of torturing or killing someone. But basically what you would do is you would tie someone up by, like, their hands and feet and then drag them underneath the ship.
- [44:55]
A
Yeah.
- [44:56]
B
And so, like, pirate. So you must not have watched that far because they show. They'd show.
- [45:02]
C
Nope.
- [45:02]
B
It is because there's barnacles that go like, on the bottom, like on the hull of a ship, and they're sharp and hard. And so they would pull people and drag them underneath the ship and their bodies would just get like, shredded on barnacles, like, while being essentially drowned. And they show it because I knew what it was, but seeing it depicted in the show, I was like, that might be like, one of the worst things that you could do to a person.
- [45:29]
C
I'm glad I didn't get that far.
- [45:30]
B
I guess it was insane watching it happen in that show. There's so many moments too, of just like, where I'm just like, hand over
- [45:38]
A
mouth, like, oh, I need to watch at some point. I Think I watched a couple episodes. It went for, like, two seasons, right?
- [45:45]
B
There's like five seasons.
- [45:46]
A
Oh, really?
- [45:46]
B
Yeah, It's a long, but it is, like, front to back. The writing is incredible.
- [45:51]
A
Check it out.
- [45:51]
C
That actor is so good. The, the Captain Flint.
- [45:54]
B
Yeah.
- [45:55]
C
What else has he done? He's a British.
- [45:57]
B
I think so. Yeah. No, he's incredible.
- [45:59]
C
Play this game where I go.
- [46:00]
A
Do you. So do you have a favorite pirate?
- [46:04]
B
Do I have a favorite pirate? That's such a good question.
- [46:08]
C
Good question.
- [46:09]
B
That's such a.
- [46:10]
A
Thanks. Yeah.
- [46:12]
C
Hey, little pirate boy. Good question.
- [46:15]
B
I think that you didn't like that.
- [46:18]
A
I'm a little pirate boy.
- [46:19]
B
I, I, I'm a little, I'm a little.
- [46:21]
C
Sorry. Pirate man.
- [46:23]
A
Thanks.
- [46:23]
B
Avast.
- [46:24]
C
Welcome.
- [46:26]
B
I really love. So there's a. There was kind of a group of pirates that, that, like, all ran together. The, like, Flying Gang, and it was like Blackbeard and Charles Vane and Anne, Bonnie, Mary, Calico, Jack. They all kind of ran together.
- [46:41]
A
I really love kind of like a hype house. Yeah, but out on the. Exactly like a hype house.
- [46:47]
C
You are crushing this.
- [46:48]
A
Kind of on the o. Ocean. Exactly. Like, what's up? I'm Blackbeard and this is my Tik Tok.
- [46:56]
B
No, I really love Anne, Bonnie and Mary Reed. I think they're so, like, badass. I think in a time when, like, women truly were, like, just treated so terribly.
- [47:06]
C
That's what I meant in the beginning.
- [47:07]
A
Because this is 1600 or this 1700s.
- [47:10]
B
Yeah, the 1700s. And yeah, I guess just for, like, two, like, women to be known as some of, like, the fiercest.
- [47:16]
A
Like, like, how did they. Do you know how they ended up becoming pirates?
- [47:20]
B
Yes. So I believe Anne Bonnie, if I remember correctly, she was, like, born and they thought, like, they're, they're like, early.
- [47:34]
C
A lot of pirates.
- [47:35]
B
Their early lives aren't super well known. Basically, she was, like, born in England and then brought to America kind of, like, secretly and was raised in secret as, like, a girl because they, I think, like, it was something where, like, her father, whoever, like, they wanted her to be a boy and they were killer. And so they brought her to America, but then she ended up, like, running off with, like, a guy that was a pirate.
- [48:01]
C
Oh.
- [48:02]
B
And I believe it's a similar story to Mary Reid, like, kind of just, like, grew up.
- [48:07]
C
She rebelled against her father.
- [48:09]
B
I believe Mary Reid actually grew up and she pretended to be a boy for, like, a lot of her early life. And that just kind of led her to, to being a pirate and continuing that facade. But they ended up, yeah. Meeting on a ship and they sort of found out, like, not by accident, I think they kind of just clocked each other that they were like, oh, like you're a girl too, girl.
- [48:32]
C
What's up, girl?
- [48:33]
A
Oh my God.
- [48:34]
C
Oh my God, girl. Are you crazy? This is awful what I'm doing. They're probably so cool.
- [48:38]
A
Were they. How vicious of pirates were they?
- [48:41]
B
They were pretty. I mean they were pretty, pretty vicious. There's a story that I love where Mary Reed had like this one, I think. Like it was like the ship's carpenter, he was kind of like her little boy toy and he got into it with like another person on the crew. And if pirates had disputes, this is actually like in Bartholomew Roberts code. But it was like you wouldn't fight on the ship if you had something to settle. You'd settle it like in a duel on land. So like pistols and swords has to be on land.
- [49:11]
A
Yeah, you don't up the ship, you know.
- [49:13]
B
And so.
- [49:14]
C
Yeah, of course, of course.
- [49:15]
A
Got to protect the ship.
- [49:16]
C
Yeah.
- [49:18]
B
But yeah, Mary Reed, like the carpenter that she liked, he like got into it with this other guy and they were going to duel and Mary was like, don't worry, don't worry little guy, I got you. And she went out on the beach and like dueled this guy for him and like just, just slaughtered this other pirate for her.
- [49:35]
C
Little like, that is a strong ass woman. Yeah, she's like, I got you.
- [49:41]
A
Did she kill him with a gun or a sword?
- [49:43]
C
Bare hands?
- [49:44]
B
I don't know, it might have shot him with a gun, finished him off with the sword. I feel like when.
- [49:49]
A
Nice one, two combo.
- [49:50]
B
Yeah, well, when your gun only has
- [49:52]
C
one shot, just cut off his head at the end.
- [49:56]
B
I mean, you gotta remember the gun only has one shot.
- [49:58]
A
Yeah, you gotta make it get in like the liver.
- [50:00]
B
It's like. Well, he's one of my favorite Anne Bonnie stories actually. And it's. And Bonnie and Mary Reed and Calico Jack. They were. They'd taken a prize and they were. But they were getting hunted by pirate hunters. So this was kind of at the end of, you know, piracy was sort of coming to an end. And they went into kind of this cove like where they'd like been safe before. And all the crew just started drinking, getting super wasted. And Aunt Bonnie and Mary were like, if something happens, like these pirate hunters were on our tail, like, we have to be ready. Like, you guys shouldn't be drinking. Sure enough, they get found and basically Anne, Bonnie and Mary Were, like, fighting to the bitter end, but everyone on the ship was drunk and just, like, surrendered. And so they all got captured and brought back to England, like, for trial. And Anne, Bonnie's last words to Calico Jack, because he, like, surrendered. And her last words to him were, if you had fought like a man, you needn't be hanged like a dog.
- [51:03]
A
Dog.
- [51:03]
B
She basically was, like. She basically was like, this is what you get for being a little.
- [51:08]
C
I want that tattooed on my chest.
- [51:10]
B
Yeah.
- [51:11]
A
That's sick.
- [51:12]
B
Like, literally, like, raw as hell.
- [51:15]
A
Damn. Wait, that was Mary Reed or. That was fun.
- [51:18]
C
So, wait, how did Anne Bonnie die?
- [51:21]
B
We don't know. So there's a lot.
- [51:23]
A
A lot of their fates are probably mysterious, huh?
- [51:25]
B
A lot of pirates kind of faded. So she was supposed to be hanged, but. But then she. And it's not known again. Like, there is no death record for Anne, Bonnie, or Mary Reed because they claim to be.
- [51:37]
C
They're old women still alive.
- [51:39]
A
Thelma and Louise, they found them in the Grand Canyon. How'd they get there?
- [51:47]
B
No, they claim to be pregnant. And so the English, like, wouldn't hang a woman if she was pregnant. And so it's not like we don't have death records. We don't know if they actually went through with it or if, like, I
- [51:59]
C
think that they were pregnant.
- [52:00]
A
I don't know. They're a pirate. They're probably lying. I don't know.
- [52:03]
B
And Bonnie was, like, with. She, like, had, like, romantic relationships with Calico Jack. That's something that was, like, known. But, I mean, pirates were very free people. And Bonnie also was like, I'm pretty sure, like, doing Mary.
- [52:17]
C
They were all doing Mary.
- [52:20]
A
If you're out in the ocean, you're doing Mary. Guys, you're on a ship. Yeah, you're on a ship. You got, like, a few options. It's like, all right, we're all gonna.
- [52:29]
C
And doing what?
- [52:30]
B
When you say you saw the show, they're all. Each other.
- [52:34]
C
Hey, I love it. I think it's incredible.
- [52:36]
A
Amanda, they are on the ship.
- [52:38]
C
This is why I want to be a pirate. It's essentially a nudist colony. You're just all kind of.
- [52:43]
B
If you watch Black Sails, there's so much boob and penis, it's crazy.
- [52:48]
A
Yes.
- [52:48]
C
That's why I loved it. I need to finish it.
- [52:51]
B
They are not. They don't hold back on the fact. And it's like. It's real. Like, they were just, like, hanging. Like, if the pirates were going on shore, they were spending their money drinking and at Brothels. And then they spend all their money. Like, all right, we got a new prize. We. We heard tell of a new ship. We're going to go.
- [53:07]
C
They're living.
- [53:08]
A
I think it's always funny, like, with history, it's like the scope of it is like, you're going off with this group of people, and this is the same with, like, armies back in the day.
- [53:19]
B
Yeah.
- [53:19]
A
It's like, you're going off and you're going to be gone for years.
- [53:22]
B
Yeah.
- [53:22]
A
You're probably not going to come home. It's like, you're probably going to have sex with whoever's around. Like. Like, that's probably what's going on. Like.
- [53:29]
C
Like, promise ring on any of these motherfuckers.
- [53:31]
A
Like. Yeah. It's like, dude, the Spartans went out to fight for years. What do you think they.
- [53:35]
C
Yeah.
- [53:36]
B
I mean, they got bigger things to worry about.
- [53:38]
A
Yeah. Like each other's penises.
- [53:41]
C
They're like, let me see you. What size are you?
- [53:43]
B
Like, bro, let me get a look at your sword.
- [53:45]
A
Yeah.
- [53:47]
C
Put your armor on and take it.
- [53:48]
A
Like, you're going to. You could die at any moment. You're hanging out, like, come on.
- [53:51]
B
You're going to have to show each other our swords in the brig later.
- [53:55]
C
Yo.
- [53:56]
B
Meet me in the brig later.
- [53:57]
A
I love it. Shifting from sex really quick. I did want to talk about. I did want to talk about. I want to talk about. About rum.
- [54:04]
B
Yeah.
- [54:05]
A
Were they all drinking rum? Is that, like, that was specifically the drink, or is that that talked up? Or was it something different?
- [54:12]
C
Isn't that what was able to last on these ships for a really long time?
- [54:15]
B
Yeah, I'm pretty sure rum just generally was. It's what they were brewing, like, with the sugar. Yeah. Sugar cane. I, like, don't know too much about, like, the way I know, like, tequila is obviously, like, agave. I don't actually know. The distilling process for rum is tea.
- [54:30]
C
So rum is essentially a bunch of spices and a bunch of tea that you mix together and then you can ferment and put in a barrel or. That's all. Rum is interesting. Yeah. I have this, like, Caribbean rum cocktail book.
- [54:45]
A
You and your husband love rum.
- [54:47]
C
Rum is H's favorite thing in the entire world, really. And he's obsessed with the origin of rum. Everything about rum. Caribbean rum.
- [54:54]
B
That's awesome. Should we call him in? Should we ask him?
- [54:56]
A
Get him on in here. Let's get some shots of rum.
- [54:58]
B
The pirates were drinking rum.
- [55:00]
A
I love that. Probably in. Especially in that era, like, 1700s, into the 1800s, that probably had. That might be one of the drunkest periods of human history. Oh, people were drunk all the time. I want to say it was 1830 that in the States there was like the peak of like drinking. And they say it was something like people averaged like five shots of whiskey a day. Like, I mean there's just nothing else. And it was like that last. It was like a safety thing too. It's like that's why in Rome, right. They, they pretty much everything they drink was alcoholic.
- [55:30]
B
Yeah.
- [55:30]
A
Cuz it was like that's how you kept it safe.
- [55:32]
C
Am I wrong about this? But isn't IPA India Pale Ale. Didn't they. It didn't mean to be as hoppy, but they had to keep it lasting for like it on the ship. So they had to add more hops to it to make it last. That's why it's called India Pale Ale.
- [55:49]
A
I don't know anything I like went
- [55:50]
C
on a deep dive about.
- [55:51]
B
I don't like IPAs.
- [55:53]
C
I love IPAs. I think, I think a lot of these beers were created like IPAs, sours. They were created out of necessity.
- [56:03]
A
Yeah, yeah. Because it makes it last. Right. It's kind of the same with like anything fermented. I feel like was originally just so it's like, yes, this stays safe.
- [56:11]
C
But rum is, Rum is because of the spices and the teas.
- [56:14]
B
Yeah.
- [56:14]
A
But I'm going to have a lot of. We're going to have like someone in the comments can be like alcohol expert here.
- [56:19]
C
Yeah. Alcohol expert.
- [56:21]
A
Just because they're drunk. Alcohol expert here.
- [56:24]
B
So sipping on some Captain Morgan spiced rum right now.
- [56:27]
A
Yeah.
- [56:27]
C
Let me tell you. Right, right now. I could, I, I. Captain and Coke. It happened in college and I can never go back to it ever again.
- [56:39]
A
It was like my thing was never a rum. Like I like rum, but I never, it was never like my thing.
- [56:45]
C
I don't know why it was that and Bacardi.
- [56:48]
A
I don't know why Bacardi151.
- [56:50]
B
My mom used to, growing up, when I was younger, my mom would, she would do Diet Coke and because we only like had Diet Coke in the house, we only drank Diet Coke. She do Diet Coke and rum and she called it a skinny pirate. That's like, that's good. One time when I was a kid, I like went into like, I saw like a Diet Coke and I was like, ooh, Diet Coke. I'm gonna have a sip. Like I knew it was my mom's and I tasted it and I was
- [57:14]
A
like, oh, that tastes disgusting. Probably rough.
- [57:17]
B
Come to find out later, it was.
- [57:19]
C
Let me say though, I will, as, as I said, I can't do rum and Coke again. I, I, I randomly did one like, I, I had a rum and Coke two years ago and I was like, this is delicious. Yeah, it's, it's kind of delicious. It's very.
- [57:32]
B
Only with spice. I, I can only do a rum and Coke with spice. Rum though.
- [57:35]
A
Same dude.
- [57:36]
B
White rum and Coke is like, same, same, same.
- [57:39]
A
I wouldn't know. I don't do them that haven't had that that much.
- [57:42]
B
Bro's not a real pirate.
- [57:43]
A
Sorry, I'm not a real pirate.
- [57:45]
C
You can't be part of the Flying Gang. Sorry, buddy.
- [57:48]
B
Sorry, buddy.
- [57:48]
A
That's a really cool name, the Flying Gang.
- [57:50]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [57:51]
C
Were there other, were there other names for like, probably big groups of pirates?
- [57:55]
B
Yeah, yeah, there were, there were other pirates. Like I said, there was a Flying Gang. There were the Barbary Corsairs. But I mean there were a lot of like, it made sense to kind of roll with a crew. You know, you had like a group of like minded individuals and they weren't
- [58:08]
A
all sailing together all the time. They were just like, they were a unit. So it's like Blackbeard might be off on the other side of the world,
- [58:15]
B
but, and then if they're, but then, you know, there would be times when they would like coordinate if there was like, you know, a treasure, like a Spanish treasure fleet. They might be like, hey, we got tell. There's going to be these. There's like a big treasure galleon and there's two, you know, big warships guarding it. Let's get the gang together and we'll all go out and like try and make this happen.
- [58:33]
A
Did these like, famous ones like Blackbeard, did they only operate around the Caribbean or did they travel around the whole world?
- [58:40]
B
They mostly operated in the Caribbean. I think sometimes they, they would go. Pirates would also. They go up and down the coast of like America as well.
- [58:50]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [58:51]
B
Like North America. Pillaging and plundering colonies.
- [58:54]
C
This is kind of a crazy question, but, like, where do they get their ships?
- [59:00]
B
Valid question.
- [59:00]
C
You know what I mean? Like, they have all these ships. Is it just. They started with one ship that they had and then they kind of stole other ships and it became part of their fleet.
- [59:10]
B
Yeah, I think that was mostly it. It was like they like one would, someone would have a ship, would buy a ship, whatever. They would be a merchant turned pirate. It however they got their ship or
- [59:18]
A
like A naval ship that then they have.
- [59:21]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [59:21]
B
And then. Yeah, you would. You would like, plunder other ships. If they had a nicer ship, you could take it for your own or you could just like, use like the money that you got to like, repair and upgrade your ship. But yeah, a lot of it was just taking other people's stuff.
- [59:36]
C
Are you interested in knowing where, like, shipwrecks are to this day? Like, are there any famous shipwrecks that you're super interested in?
- [59:45]
B
Not that I'm super interested. I know there are like, very famous shipwrecks and that you can like. I'm pretty sure that like, you can do dives. And they found like, like old like Spanish treasure galleons and stuff.
- [59:56]
A
Aren't they discovering new ones all the time? Yeah, like, there are a countless amount of shipwrecks and.
- [60:02]
B
And pirates would like, they would plunder shipwrecks. That's like something like if a ship like they had died.
- [60:08]
A
How.
- [60:08]
C
How so do that?
- [60:10]
A
Because without the modern, modern gear.
- [60:13]
C
Well, they had. They had old diving gear, like back
- [60:15]
A
in the day, 1700s.
- [60:16]
B
So they had diving bells and basically to. To my knowledge, what you. It was basically like a giant, like, metal thing. And you would drop it in the water and it would go down because it was really heavy and it would trap air inside of it. And so then you would go down essentially with this diving bell and then you would take a breath and then swim around and then you'd like, go back up for air into like this diving bell that they'd lowered down.
- [60:43]
C
It essentially like free dive with a little oxygen.
- [60:46]
A
That is terrifying.
- [60:48]
C
First of all, the bends, you know, they're like going, so.
- [60:53]
A
Yeah, but they're pirates. They're just built different. What the hell, they can just handle that.
- [60:57]
C
Like when you free dive and then you go up that quickly. I guess they weren't. They obviously weren't down there that long. If you're down there, their.
- [61:02]
B
Yeah, I think also, like, I. I
- [61:04]
A
think also they're not going down massive depths. It has to be that they could
- [61:08]
C
probably 30 or maybe 40ft max.
- [61:11]
A
Max. Yeah, yeah.
- [61:12]
B
Around the Caribbean islands, like, and stuff.
- [61:14]
C
Like.
- [61:15]
B
And in the Spanish Main there was a lot of like, you know, shallow shipwrecks. And that's a reason also that there were ship is like, you would go into shallow waters and there might be jagged rocks that like, you didn't see or whatever or going over another show shipwreck. Like, that was one thing in the show in. In black sails that they Depict is the British actually scuttled a bunch of ships in, like, the harbor of Nassau so the pirates could sail through. So when they went to sail their ships, they just hit these other ships under.
- [61:48]
A
Wow.
- [61:48]
C
Pretty. Pretty genius. I mean, that's what they say is the Bermuda Triangle. Not. Not shipwrecks, but it's actually. They're like, oh, spooky. Bermuda Triangle. All these ships always go down, but it's actually like a formation of volcanoes or. Or crazy reefs in the center of it. And it's like a. Almost like a. What is that called? A whirlpool.
- [62:09]
B
Yeah.
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C
Situation. So it's not like it's haunted or spooky. It's just what's underneath. And then ships always wreck.
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B
There's an ocean. Yeah.
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A
Do you. I remember reading once that they were like, we think Blackbeard's treasure is buried, like, in South Carolina. And I was like, that's what crazy, because, like, as you said, they go up and down the coast, but it's like, I wonder how much buried treasure there is. Just outlier in the. In on land. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. Well, so there's actually. There was only one actual recorded historical instance of a pirate burying treasure, and it was William Kidd, and he essentially used it as a bargaining chip. So he was a privateer, technically, and he sailed around the coast of Africa, and he was supposed to be, like, not plundering British ships. But so much of the commerce in that area was, like, British ships, and the British, like, East India Company. And so his crew got restless. They're like, we see all these stacked British ships, and, like, we want to, like, take them as a prize. And he. William Kidd, had basically done kind of a shady deal with some magistrates and, like, like, members of, like, government in England to be like, like, hey, we'll, like, kind of give you a secret letter of mark almost. And, like, you just pay us, like, kind of under the table, like, some. Some money that, like, from the ships that you plunder. But then, like, William Kidd's crew is threatening to. To mutiny him, and so he's like, all right, well, I just got to attack an English ship now. And so he got all this treasure, but then the English were after him, and so he buried his treasure to basically when he brought. When he, like, insurance parents. Yeah. To be like, well, if you kill me, like, you won't know where my treasure is.
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C
So smart.
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B
And then they killed him anyway.
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A
Yeah. So now his treasure's just buried somewhere.
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B
Could be, if he was being honest. Yeah. His treasure.
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C
Oh, right. That's why they killed him.
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A
So there's likely. By that logic, why would most pirates bury their treasure? It's most likely the only treasure that's hidden out in the world is in shipwrecks.
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B
Yeah. I think, like, realistically, pirates were like. Like, they were using the money that they were earning. And for, like, a lot of the, like, more successful pirates, like, either they were dying or, like, Henry every. He just disappeared. Yeah, he just disappeared after his, like, huge prize. He disappeared. And, like, we don't really know what happened to him. But it's actually a lot of the very common kind of pirate tropes come from Treasure island and Robert Louis Stevenson.
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A
Even the pirate voice.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Is not like a you that comes from the Treasure island movie. Right. Like, pirates probably were, like, hanging out, just, like, talking like this.
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B
Yeah, Yeah. I think, like, in Black Sails, it's probably like, the way that they taught.
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A
Like, I think, like, anyone else got a little bit.
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C
Not. Nothing super crazy, though.
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B
Yeah, no, they don't talk, like, super piratey. It's more of just.
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A
They didn't have a specific. There wasn't, like, a pirate accent. Like, it's just like, they all were
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B
just, like, British people.
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A
Yeah, exactly.
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C
But just made up an entire language, essentially.
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B
Yeah. I mean, he made a mid. Like, X marks the spot on a treasure map that was like, buried treasure or something.
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C
The best thing ever as a prize.
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A
I feel like so many tropes do come from fiction.
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B
Yeah. And it's funny because he was just, like, kind of fascinated with pirates. And the one. I can't remember the guy who wrote it, but a lot of the kind of stuff that we have, like, the firsthand accounts of pirates, comes from a book called the General History of Pirates, I think.
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A
But the.
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B
The.
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A
The.
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B
The party line on it is sort of like it is embellished in that book as well. Like, there are things and it's like, okay, like, that might not have happened. There was embellishment happening. But it is, like, kind of the most, like, cohesive, like, kind of representation of, like, firsthand accounts. That's where we get, like, Bartholomew Roberts Pirate code is like. Was, like, you know, recorded there. Yeah. No, I think just, like, in general, there's. There. It's hard to know exactly what things were. Like. I think we have a pretty good picture. But when something in real life. Because I truly think that pirates in real life were crazy. Like, so much of it is based in truth. And so it's hard, like, for us to be like, okay, how do we separate like, the truth from the embellishment. Because I think that so much of the crazy stuff is also true.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Do you wish that you were a pirate? No.
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B
God, no. It had to have sucked.
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A
So I don't think there's a pirate.
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C
Just, like, you're just an admirer from afar. You just enjoy the history of it.
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B
I would love to be able to, like, live on a pirate ship, like, with God mode turned on.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Where I'm, like, invincible, like, in a video game. Like, I can, like, I'm in creative mode. Like, I can just kind of get up and fly around, but, like. Like to see, like, an actual, like, naval battle or pirates boarding ship, that probably be the coolest thing ever.
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A
I would never. Yeah. I wouldn't. There's no time in history that I'd want to go actually, like, live in. Right. No matter who you are in those eras. But it's like, if you could travel and have, like, a protective bubble around you and just be an observer.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Of any era. It's, like, fun to, like. Would that be the era that you pick? For sure.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. If I could have a. A protective bubble, just observe an era of history, I would love to have seen pirates.
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A
What about you?
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C
I don't know if I would pick that just, like, as a. As a woman, but.
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A
Well, no, I'm saying you. You're. You're not, like, actually there or seen if you have a protective bubble and you get to go and just observe any moment in ancient Egypt. Okay.
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C
Thousand percent.
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A
Which time in ancient Egypt was around for so long?
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C
I know.
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A
Isn't it crazy that Cleopatra is closer to our time than she was to ancient? Like, the pyramids being built. Being built.
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B
Yeah.
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C
I don't think I'd want to be around the pyramid time.
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A
Not the pyramid.
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C
I. I feel like Pharaohs, Cleopatra. Like, I don't know what. What. What era that is.
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A
There's so many. It was. I don't think I was early.
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C
Early period built. That feels like a lot of.
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A
You're thinking closer to labor to watch. You're thinking closer to Cleopatra time.
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C
Yeah. More. I want to. I want to, like, be involved in the politics and the royalty and the. And the traditions that they have and the, like, almost like the superstitious, like, where that all came about. And, like, I'm really, really into that. I would be really into that. But again, I am really into pirate times because I'm into, like, sailing. And like, my. My papa and my uncle both were sailors. My papa had, like, a pretty. Pretty big Sized ship sailboat that he had that my sister. Sisters used to go on all the time. And, like, I'm really into that era, but I feel like I just. I wouldn't want to miss out on that era of Egypt. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. What about you, man? I do think ancient history just sounds so cool to see Ancient Greece.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Ancient Persia. Just to see things, like, to go back, like, really far. Like, I would love to see, like, Mesopotamia, Assyria. Like, they're just like old civilizations.
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C
There was a museum in la. I forget the museum, but they had a whole Mesopotamia exhibit, and it was epic. And H. And I went and they uncovered stones with specific Mesopotamia, like the cuneiform and everything. Yes. And it was like they broke down what it was saying, and it was. It was like such an epic exhibit.
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A
Ooh. And then also to, like, see, like, Aztec, Incan, Mayan, like.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Because just. Just ones where it's like we. We decipher pretty well what life was like, but to really go and, like, see it. And also I think, like, what I would love is any ancient history, and probably any time in history is to go and just like, chill on a random street and just see people, like, living a daily life.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because I think we have this. We portray things as being so different. Right. It's like, no, people were. Do like we are. They're still human. Right. To go back as far as you could. Right. Because they say. I think it's like. I remember reading once, it's like if you went back 50,000 years and took a baby from back then and brought them to the modern era and raised them, that they would be. Not as. That they would be indistinguishable as far as personality. This was. Then I might. That might be off. But it's like the human brain is. Has been this way for a long time. Right. It's not like 50,000 years ago we were different. It's like. No, that was those.
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C
Yeah.
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A
They were humans. So it's like to just see and then to be able to understand the language. Yeah. To if I. If I'm like, in this fictional thing that I'm. We're like. We're in a bubble that ciphers. That translates. That does everything and to just like, hang out and see, like, someone's daily life and they can't see you and they can't see me. No. But I can interact with the drinks and food.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I get to drink. I get to drink their alcohol and
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C
your boots and go in and be like, let me just.
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A
No, I would, I would kill to be able to be like, what's their food like? You know, like, what is, what would be, what's the nicest dish from that era.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That I can have.
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B
So interesting.
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A
Like what's it like how, like give
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B
me a side by side, like give me a McDouble and then whatever they were eating and like, who has it better?
- [71:29]
A
And then you have the ability to give them a McDouble.
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B
Yeah.
- [71:33]
A
Oh my God. I have gotten a message from God.
- [71:38]
C
Wow, this was incredible. Like, you knew you so much. I mean, I didn't doubt you, but I learned so much.
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A
Thank you. This is awesome.
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C
Thank you, Trevor, so much.
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B
Thank you for having me. No, this was, this was lovely. I love, I love nerding out about, about pirates specifically, but about history in general. I'll come talk about anything, bro.
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A
Yeah, you really are like well versed.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Beyond for the Greco Persian wars.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Oh, I love Battle history part two.
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A
I love that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's the stuff I was learning about recently. Well, hell yeah. Happy birthday.
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B
Thank you, thank you, thank you for
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A
giving us this gift of pirate knowledge.
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C
Yeah.
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A
For your birthday time.
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B
It's so beautiful. I love sharing. I love sharing beautiful, enriching conversations with my friends.
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C
Me too.
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A
Yar.
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B
Argh.
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C
All right, all right, bye.
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A
See you later.