#49 - Explaining Five Nights At Freddy's Lore To Amanda

Summary

Podcast Summary: Smosh Mouth Episode #49 - Explaining Five Nights At Freddy's Lore To Amanda

Release Date: June 10, 2024

Introduction

In episode #49 of Smosh Mouth, hosts Shane Topp and Amanda Lehan-Canto delve deep into the intricate lore of the popular horror game series Five Nights at Freddy's (FNAF). Joined by special guests Spencer and Courtney, the group embarks on a mission to unravel the complex narrative that has both fascinated and baffled fans for years. This episode aims to provide a comprehensive overview of FNAF's storyline, character motivations, and various fan theories, making it accessible even to those unfamiliar with the series.

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1. The Journey Begins: Pranks and Gameplay

The episode kicks off with Shane reminiscing about a long-running prank where he and Spencer convinced Amanda that Five Nights at Freddy's was based on true events. This led Amanda to play several games in the series, sparking her fascination with the lore.

• Shane (00:16): "It's been months in the making. Forever ago, Spencer and I pranked Amanda to believing that Five Nights at Freddy's was a true story."

Amanda admits her enthusiasm, contrasting Shane's initial dread of the games.

• Amanda (00:34): "I loved it."

2. Introduction of Special Guests and the Conspiracy Board

Courtney joins the conversation, unveiling an elaborate conspiracy board designed to map out the FNAF lore meticulously.

• Courtney (01:38): "Conspiracy board for the people who are catching up still on the lore of this situation."

3. Exploring the Origins: William Afton and Henry Emily

The discussion shifts to the foundational characters of the FNAF universe—William Afton and Henry Emily—and their roles in creating the animatronics.

• Courtney (09:33): "William Afton has two sons and a daughter. The one son accidentally kills the other son. And this drives William basically crazy."

Shane highlights Afton's obsession with animatronics and his descent into madness following a tragic family incident.

• Shane (21:19): "He's obsessed with animatronics and he wants to make these things. He's also got a fear of death and a desire to live forever."

4. Major Plot Points and Game Chronology

The hosts outline the chronological order of the FNAF games, emphasizing significant events such as the "Bite of 83" and "Bite of 87," which are pivotal to understanding the overarching story.

• Shane (09:00): "But in that one, he talks about a bite that happens. That I believe. Yeah. It's Five nights at Freddy's one that he's talking about."
• Courtney (11:03): "He talks about the bite of 87. Yes. Which is different from the bite of 83."

Amanda shares her evolving understanding of the lore, acknowledging inaccuracies while appreciating the depth of the narrative.

• Amanda (07:07): "Really?"

5. The Role of Possession and Vengeful Spirits

A central theme in the FNAF lore is the possession of animatronics by the spirits of murdered children. The discussion delves into how these souls interact with the living and each other.

• Courtney (19:46): "After some point, usually after a child is killed in or around the animatronic, they will possess it."
• Shane (24:18): "The animatronics started coming as the possessed souls."

Amanda presents her theory connecting the animatronics through a metaphorical "fungus," suggesting an underlying interconnectedness.

• Amanda (06:36): "The spark. I definitely think there's a fungus going on."

6. Michael Afton's Quest and Transformation into an Animatronic

The narrative progresses to Michael Afton, William's son, who seeks to undo his father's wrongdoings. This journey leads to his transformation into an animatronic hybrid.

• Shane (29:15): "You're playing as Michael Afton, who has been scooped and is a dead guy, but who's still."
• Courtney (36:36): "William Afton, the guy who killed all these children, the guy behind it all. He gets into this suit and then the springlock stuff messes up and it skewers him."

7. The Puppet and Protection of Spirits

Henry Emily's daughter, who becomes the Puppet, plays a crucial role in safeguarding the souls of the children and guiding them towards vengeance against William Afton.

• Courtney (23:46): "So William Afton murders Henry Emily's daughter, she becomes the puppet and then kind of protects the realm."

8. Fan Theories and Creator Interaction

The conversation touches upon the influence of fan theories, particularly those by MatPat, and how they may intersect or diverge from the creator Scott Cawthon's intended storyline.

• Shane (40:32): "This is us regurgitating Matpat. As far as we interpreted it to you."
• Spencer (63:18): "He worked so hard. Don't laugh at that."

Notable Quotes

• Amanda (08:53): "There's the lore is so big and the creator got so deep entangled in his own lore."
• Shane (38:32): "I like that made it less scary for me because I'm just like, oh, there's all this crazy lore."
• Spencer (48:56): "That's why he moved differently than the animatronics that were just like ... because he's a body."

9. The Impact of Gameplay Design on Horror Effectiveness

The hosts discuss how the minimalist design of the earlier games, relying on static images and limited animations, enhances the horror experience by leveraging player imagination.

• Shane (48:21): "You're just truly in a room. You're looking at security cameras, and they're just there."
• Amanda (48:28): "It's really, really brilliant."

They compare this to other horror media, such as the classic movie Halloween, emphasizing the power of suggestion over explicit visuals.

• Amanda (47:53): "It's like the Classic movie Halloween. That was one of the first real horror movies that really did that so well."

10. Conclusion and Future Discussions

As the episode wraps up, Amanda reflects on her newfound understanding of the FNAF lore, expressing excitement for future deep dives and potential guest appearances from notable theorists like MatPat.

• Amanda (65:05): "That's just a theory."
• Shane (65:13): "Thank you both for being here."
• Amanda (65:42): "Thanks for spending so much time on it. I appreciate it. I'm excited. I love scary shit."

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Final Thoughts

Episode #49 of Smosh Mouth serves as a thorough introduction to the convoluted and captivating world of Five Nights at Freddy's. Through collaborative discussion, the hosts and their guests dissect key elements of the lore, offering both established facts and personal interpretations. Not only does this episode cater to long-time fans seeking a deeper understanding, but it also invites newcomers to explore the rich narrative tapestry that FNAF presents. With plans to engage further with prominent theorists and possibly integrate expert insights, Smosh Mouth promises to continue unraveling the mysteries that make FNAF a standout in the horror genre.

Transcript

[Shane]

Hello. Welcome to Smosh Mouth. I'm Shane.

[Amanda]

And I'm Amanda. And we have a very, very special episode. And we have two special guests, Spencer and Courtney.

[Spencer]

Hi.

[Courtney]

Hey.

[Spencer]

I'm Spencer.

[Shane]

Guys.

[Amanda]

Courtney.

[Shane]

It's finally the episode. It's been months in the making. Forever ago, Spencer and I pranked Amanda to believing that Five Nights at Freddy's was a true story. That really happened.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Which maybe there's some truth to that. And then that led to us playing a bunch of the Five Nights at Freddy's games, which I dreaded. I hated it.

[Amanda]

I loved it.

[Shane]

Yeah. This ended up being the best thing for Amanda. But throughout all of this, we have not told Amanda what the actual story is. What's going on? You've been guessing this whole time. I have. But today we're going to do our best because it is. There's a lot of depth and there's a lot of debate, but we're gonna do our best to explain the real story of Five Nights at Freddy's to you. I wanna preface by saying we will. Cause it's just. There's a whole lot. There's a lot of different theories, and it's all really just a theory. We're probably gonna fuck some things up. I know I will. So the comment.

[Spencer]

And we know Scott did.

[Shane]

Yeah. Whoa. So the comments. There's gonna be people who are gonna be mad at us. And I'm saying me. Cause I'm probably gonna really.

[Courtney]

They're gonna be mad at you, Amanda.

[Amanda]

No, I can't take that.

[Shane]

But we're gonna do our best. We want to just introduce you. And I. I will say, like, when we get Matpat, someday he can really clear everything up. But before Matpat, we're gonna give you the one.

[Amanda]

So you guys are gonna do your best.

[Shane]

We're gonna do our best. Courtney made this awesome board that's so good.

[Spencer]

Conspiracy board for the people who are catching up. Still on the lore of this situation. Why are me and Spencer here?

[Courtney]

Well, since Spencer and Courtney, we got married in the.

[Shane]

Courtney, you got super into Five Nights at Freddy's. I feel like roughly around the time when we pranked Amanda.

[Spencer]

A little bit before, it was when we went to Horror Nights and they had the Blumhouse exhibit. I've always loved animatronics. And, like, I used to spend hours as a kid Googling, like, robot dinosaur videos. Cause I was like, that's the coolest thing in the world. And then we went to this Blumhouse exhibit at Horror Nights where they had the animatronics on display. And I was just so into it. And like, I had always loved the Jack Black video where he goes from. And I was just like, I love this vibe. I think I need to dive in. And then. And then that's where it all started.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Wow.

[Shane]

Courtney, I think is actually knows far more about the lore than I do. You're invested.

[Amanda]

I believe that.

[Shane]

And I actually think by the end of today, you might know more than me. I have realized every step of the way that I'm like, I thought I knew what was going on. I realized I don't.

[Spencer]

And Spencer knows more than all of us, probably, huh?

[Shane]

Maybe. Yeah.

[Amanda]

Spencer, talk about this vest that you're wearing and then go into.

[Courtney]

So last year, Alex and I went to gen con and all the, like, the official gen con helpers had these fishing vests on, and I was like, those look cool as hell. And so I've kind of been looking for one for a while and I finally found one on ebay and so I ordered it.

[Shane]

It's pretty cool.

[Amanda]

It's excellent. So does this help you tell the lore?

[Courtney]

Yeah, well, you know, I kind of wanted to go all in and dress like a full on conspiracy theorist with like a bucket hat and stuff.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Courtney]

But I was like, you know what? This feels like a good time to debut the vest.

[Spencer]

I love it.

[Shane]

It's pretty awesome.

[Amanda]

I think it's incredible because all of us are in jean jackets and you're in this vest.

[Spencer]

Yeah. We actually thought you were gonna wear a jean jacket with us and then you showed up in this.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Yeah. How do you guys feel?

[Shane]

I feel pretty good.

[Amanda]

I feel like you have answers. That's how I feel.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Okay, good. Yeah. That's the vibe I wanted to put out.

[Spencer]

Yeah. So is it a play on words like you said, lure lore best?

[Courtney]

No, that actually just. That just struck me.

[Shane]

That worked out. That's pretty cool.

[Courtney]

That struck me like a sleeping bullet.

[Spencer]

Wow.

[Shane]

Before we get into this, I should also say I messed my finger up with a vegetable peeler really bad. And so that's why I have a cast on my fingies.

[Amanda]

Was it a vegetable peeler or was it Freddie, the cut of 24?

[Shane]

The cut of 24. No, I truly. The tip of my finger.

[Spencer]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I heard it so many times now, I can't hear it again. You chopped your lip.

[Shane]

My finger looks like Frankenstein. The tip of it had to be sewn back on.

[Spencer]

Ah. And it's like it's black thread. Like a freaking. Like a Tim Burton character.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God. You're literally five nights at Freddy's. Like, look at their faces. They look like they're sewn together. You just look at your spring trap.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Amanda]

Or foxy.

[Shane]

What the fuck?

[Courtney]

So did you get hit? Did you hit both fingers?

[Shane]

Yeah, the very tip of this one. And then this. The. My middle finger is the one that got really messed up.

[Amanda]

Oh. So you can't flip me off ever.

[Spencer]

Well, he can now. It just looks really silly.

[Amanda]

Ew. I can't take that.

[Shane]

When we film, I think we're filming stuff on green screen.

[Courtney]

We're gonna have some fun.

[Shane]

I'm gonna flip people off, and it's gonna be half my finger.

[Spencer]

Turns out Kermit the Frog was a finger donor.

[Shane]

Wow.

[Courtney]

Wow.

[Shane]

No, it's Shrek.

[Amanda]

Anyways.

[Shane]

No, it's Shrek.

[Amanda]

Before we start, I'd like us all to go around and say which character we feel the most connected to in five nights at Freddy's.

[Shane]

Okay, I'll start. Who are you most connected to?

[Amanda]

Chica. Yeah, because I feel like all the other ones were like, whoa, what the hell? And with Chica, it's like, what the hell is going on? Like, I felt like I wanted to know her, you know? Cause she really progressed in, like.

[Shane]

The second one is when she's suddenly like.

[Courtney]

Yeah, that's toy Chica.

[Amanda]

I think Toy Chica. And then she becomes a woman. And then Shadow Chica. Shadow Chica. And then it. Security breach, where she's like kind of a little.

[Shane]

Well, yeah, that's not even chica. That's a whole different. Those are different ones.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Spencer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get there.

[Shane]

We'll get there, we'll get there.

[Courtney]

Spencer Michael Afton. Cuz he smells bad.

[Shane]

Okay, okay.

[Amanda]

Don't know who that is.

[Spencer]

You'll find out. You'll find out.

[Amanda]

Okay. Court.

[Spencer]

I really. Bonnie's my favorite, but maybe I'm more connected to Foxy.

[Amanda]

Ooh. Okay.

[Courtney]

Foxy Rising.

[Shane]

And I'm Balloon Boy.

[Amanda]

You're balloon Boy. You're the nightmare, love.

[Courtney]

Hello.

[Amanda]

You're such a nightmare.

[Shane]

Hi. Hi.

[Amanda]

Awful. Okay, let's go.

[Shane]

All right, before we start. Now, Amanda, you've been talking about what you think is going on. Yeah. What are your theories? What do you believe is the story of.

[Spencer]

Yeah. Now that you've played all the games, what have you gathered?

[Shane]

Generally, you don't have to nail every single part of what's going on?

[Amanda]

The spark. I definitely think there's a fungus going on.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Amanda]

There is an under layer connecting underneath the pizza parlor or whatever it's called. And they're all connected. And, like, all the little souls are connected and they're controlling the animatronics. And when one animatronic gets hurt, the other one feels it. Oh, and then when they were at. What's the house? 1.

[Shane]

What's it, 4.

[Amanda]

So when they were there, the animatronics lured the kids to this house to have, like, a pizza party hangout, and they trapped them there, and they had to do it. Like, they have to have some type of charismatic powers to make the parents just be like, yeah, sure, take my kid. You know?

[Shane]

Interesting.

[Amanda]

And I think it's like they're all working together because they're all fungus underneath. They're all connected.

[Shane]

Well, you're wrong about some stuff, but honestly, Amanda, there's a lot of stuff you're gonna be like, wow, I wasn't following.

[Amanda]

Really?

[Shane]

I think. I think.

[Amanda]

Okay, what you just said.

[Courtney]

No, yeah, that's everything different than incredible. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

[Shane]

No, Billy, what you just said. Fine, but I.

[Courtney]

But you did correctly. You did correctly. One to one, do the plot of Resident Evil 7, which. Which was actually incredible. Yeah, that's the plot of Resident Evil 7.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Guess you have to play that.

[Courtney]

Which we'll be playing.

[Shane]

You're gonna love that game.

[Amanda]

Wait. That's fucking awesome.

[Courtney]

Yeah. A lot of fungus.

[Spencer]

Is it scarier than so much fungus?

[Courtney]

It's different.

[Shane]

It's a different kind of scary.

[Amanda]

I love fungus in, like, the really positive way. But also to think of it as a scary way is cool.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah.

[Spencer]

You like a fun guy?

[Amanda]

Yeah, I like a fun guy.

[Shane]

Yeah, totally. Let's begin then with this. Let's start off with the first game. Five nights at Freddy's.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

So you're. You're a security guard. You're working at a pizza place.

[Amanda]

Michael Schmidt.

[Shane]

Mike Schmidt.

[Amanda]

Mike Schmidt.

[Shane]

Nice. Good memory.

[Amanda]

Not Michael. Mike.

[Shane]

Now, something that there was a lot of lore that we probably didn't pick up. Pick up on because we were talking whenever the phone. Phone calls.

[Amanda]

Yeah. We talked the whole time. We were like, how do we play?

[Shane]

But in that one, he talks about a bite that happens. That I believe. Yeah. It's Five nights at Freddy's one that he's talking about.

[Courtney]

He talks about the bite of 87. Yes. Which is different from the bite of 83.

[Shane]

There's two different bites.

[Spencer]

But you only at this point, learned about the bite of 87.

[Shane]

Bite of 87. Okay, now the bite of 87, as far as we know. There's not a ton of details on it, but we know that a guest was bitten by one of the animatronics.

[Courtney]

So let me stop you right there.

[Shane]

Okay. Whoa.

[Courtney]

So I actually. I downloaded all this right before.

[Shane]

Great.

[Courtney]

So do you want to start in chronological order? Yes. Do you want to start at the beginning?

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Okay, so in the beginning, there are these two guys. One is William Afton.

[Shane]

Wait, hold. Hold on. Stop, stop, stop. Do we really want to go through the entire.

[Courtney]

I think I can. I think I can speed us through and, like, get us to the games pretty quickly. Okay, so there's William Afton. Okay. And he is a like an imagineer type guy. There's William Afton, and then there's Henry, Emily, and their business partners.

[Amanda]

Name.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So their business partners. Their business partners are like, we want to make Freddy Fazbear's whatever Pizzeria.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Courtney]

There's like a million different, like, Freddy Fazbears.

[Spencer]

Yeah. Because first of all, even you're wrong there, because they both had their own. And then they kind of started working.

[Courtney]

Oh, yeah, well, they had. They had Freddy. Like, it's like Freddy's Diner or some shit like that.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Fredbear's family diner.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So the two of them, they had a restaurant.

[Shane]

No, the animatronics. They were like, normal.

[Spencer]

There are suits at first or there's.

[Shane]

Suits, but they wasn't. It was nothing crazy.

[Amanda]

So there were people in the suits.

[Courtney]

Well, so William. William's claim to fame is he invented the spring lock suit, which is a. It's essentially an animatronic. So it's on stage, it's doing its fucking thing. And then if you, like, press this button or whatever on the back, it kind of flips open.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah.

[Courtney]

That's what you've been seeing. And then you could get into it and then move it around. So it's like an animatronic slash suit. That's like his.

[Amanda]

Never get in that suit.

[Shane]

And they were. They're apparently very dangerous. Cause the lock mechanisms could fuck up. And then the person inside would get skewered by the suit.

[Courtney]

And then. So that was like kind of his claim to fame. And they had their thing where, you know, like the. It was like a Chuck E. Cheese basically.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And then that's when things started to go wrong.

[Amanda]

Uh oh, Someone got in the suit. And that's the bite of 87 kind of.

[Courtney]

So first he had the bite of 83. So he had three kids. William did. William Afton had three kids of his three kids. One of them the youngest one who you play in Five nights at Freddy's four. When you're the little kid running around. He is deathly afraid of the animatronics.

[Amanda]

I think the one who.

[Spencer]

Because he saw something.

[Courtney]

I think his name is Evan. So Evan's like the little kid never saw his name.

[Shane]

How do you find out his name?

[Courtney]

It's. It's in one of the books, I guess.

[Spencer]

So. Okay. This is why I was nervous about going in chronological order because I think it might be a lot harder to download to Amanda's mind. But, like, they're like. The lore is basically Amanda. The lore is so big and the creator got so deep entangled in his own lore that there's literally books, there's like toy like journals that have clues and Easter eggs are in every piece of his merchandise about this entire franchise. And so it's like. There's a lot and. And it's really. At a certain point, it's a lot of guessing.

[Courtney]

He's actually texting me Laura right now.

[Shane]

Whoa. Yeah.

[Amanda]

Scott Cawthorn.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

He also had a habit, like people had, like, it became a game for people who played the games to find hidden Easter eggs in these video games, basically, where if you had. You had to turn up the brightness on a certain frame in the video game, then you'd find like a secret word or stuff like that, like. Or a code.

[Shane]

That's why the lore is so literally.

[Spencer]

That's why people are so obsessed with this is because it's a lot. It's like, controversial because there's so many secrets and so many missed things. And there's the biggest way that you learn the lore of these stories is in those mini games where it's the eight bit stuff. That's where you learn most of the story. And sometimes you don't even get all of those when you play through. And sometimes you have to play it a certain way in order to get a certain cutscene that will tell you something very dark and very good by.

[Courtney]

Like failing it or winning it.

[Shane]

So we didn't get everything, but we got a lot of good stuff.

[Courtney]

So in four, you're the little kid and you're running around, and those are basically his nightmares. Like, he is having nightmares. Whose nightmares?

[Amanda]

The kid.

[Courtney]

The kid. Evan Afton, I think is his name again.

[Amanda]

Got it.

[Spencer]

We just jumped really far.

[Courtney]

Well, yeah. So he's running around. He's having all these nightmares and stuff like that. And then, you know how you do the minigame and you're kind of walking through and then you see the foxy mask pop out. That's your older brother, Michael Afton. So that is the older brother. And he knows that you, Evan Afton, are really afraid of the animatronic, so he's kind of scaring you. And then it kind of culminates in a prank where William Afton. And I think you guys saw this and it's where William Afton. No, sorry, Michael Afton. It gets really confusing. Michael Afton, all his buddies, they take Evan Afton and they're all at the pizzeria and they're like, hey, stick your head in the. Stick your head in the machine. Stick your head in Freddy Fazbear or whatever fucking thing. And then the animatronics are.

[Amanda]

The kids.

[Courtney]

Snaps in the cutscene.

[Spencer]

The kids put his head in.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So their prank is like, haha, we're gonna stick you in the animatronic. The animatronic snaps and essentially kills one of the sons. The son. So one of the sons. It's a Cain and Abel situation, Kills the other son. Well, he technically puts him in a coma or whatever. And like the fifth night is like you in a coma. But yeah, so you, the player of the fourth game, are killed basically at the end by the other son.

[Spencer]

Are you sure about that?

[Amanda]

Yeah, by the other son. So there's three sons.

[Courtney]

There's. There's two sons and a daughter. We haven't even gotten to the daughter yet.

[Spencer]

Yeah, I feel like. No, no, no, no.

[Courtney]

She becomes.

[Spencer]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I think we're really getting ahead. I really do.

[Courtney]

This is the first in chronological order of the games.

[Amanda]

Wow.

[Courtney]

Four.

[Spencer]

So what? One important thing to know.

[Amanda]

This is fun. I'm having three people tell me the lore.

[Spencer]

I know. And there's going to be a lot of arguing because it's all theories from different people. Like you watched a different YouTuber's videos than I did.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

So are we.

[Amanda]

I think we have to.

[Shane]

Courtney's an expert on the mat.

[Spencer]

I watched all the MatPat videos. So I think they're different. I think they have different theories.

[Amanda]

Is Matpat 100% correct?

[Spencer]

Well, there's a lot of controversy because Matpat got so deep into the lore that people argued that Scott, the creator actually was like. Actually, yeah, that is the lore. Because he got so lost in his own story.

[Amanda]

Got it, got it.

[Spencer]

But one thing that is important also is. Yeah, the games are in an order, but that's not the story's order. There's like this 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, sister location, whatever. That's not how the order of it all happened.

[Courtney]

Yeah, four takes place first.

[Shane]

Yeah, four.

[Amanda]

Oh, and four is with the kid and, and the. The rock stars.

[Shane]

No, no, that was the. That's the last one that we.

[Amanda]

Oh, four is the Texas Chainsaw House.

[Shane]

That's one where you thought the kid was. It's like they're being invited back to this house for the pizza party. But actually you're playing as one of the children of the creator of Freddy the Animatronics.

[Amanda]

While they're still alive.

[Courtney]

Yeah, he's still alive during the game. And then he is killed, I think between the fourth and fifth night.

[Spencer]

Well, and there's controversy because at first the creator said it was all a dream and then later he said it's actually not and that there was a lot more to the story. Because there was. Apparently Scott said that. I keep calling him Scott like I know him on a first name basis. I don't know this man. Don't.

[Courtney]

That's what my friend talks about. Markiplier. It's really funny. She's like, ugh, I'm watching the new Mark video. I'm like, that's.

[Spencer]

That's crazy weird. But yeah, like this kid gets bitten and his dad is devastated and is kind of making sure that he can make his son okay again. And that ultimately is what drives him insane.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Why are the animatronics at his house in the fourth one?

[Shane]

Well, they aren't. Well, they up for debate. It's up for debate there too. But this is the. He is the creator of these animatronics. So there is a. There are theories that. And you were saying, like, oh, something's connected underneath. There's theories that there were. There was something connected to him making animatronics and robotics underneath his house that were then tormenting.

[Amanda]

Okay, okay.

[Shane]

But there's also the. There's also the thing. The original theory of like, oh, it's all a dream. So it's kind of like it's up for debate. But there are theories that it. There was stuff that was coming up.

[Spencer]

That the dad was using in the books. It's like very clear that a, a factory or a facility is connected to a house.

[Courtney]

Yeah, that's sister location. That was the.

[Amanda]

So I think, I think for me, I think that we should go in order, not based on the games, but in order where like the origin story starts and give me which game that Correlates to.

[Courtney]

So that was. That was. That was four. And then. So after the kid is bitten, after his brother shoves him in the animatronic and he's bitten. That is the bite of 83.

[Shane]

That's the first one.

[Courtney]

That's the first bite.

[Amanda]

And that happens at.

[Courtney]

In the fourth game.

[Shane]

That happens.

[Amanda]

Diner.

[Shane]

But that.

[Courtney]

No, no, sorry. The. The fucking. The names of all, like, the pizzerias. It's like the diner, the pizzeria, the pizza store. Like, it. It doesn't frankly make any sense, but it's like basically they keep closing and reopening and closing and reopening and it's confusing. And I think we should de. Emphasize like the names of the. Basically, like it happened at one of the pizza places.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

So know that there are multiple locations of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. Like, because he. It was successful. So they. They opened up new ones.

[Amanda]

Got it.

[Shane]

Sometimes they would close down because of controversies such as that.

[Spencer]

Yeah, like, controversies. Like there was. There was one location where they had the animatronics, and then there was. For some reason, kids kept getting murdered at this place. So they closed it down and they opened a new location with. With those newer. The toy animatronics that you see supposedly. I think I have that right. And those ones were built with this special predator pedophile detecting security wear in their technology for some reason, but it still just like keeps happening and they don't know why.

[Amanda]

So the animatronics started killing kids after they bit the creators because.

[Courtney]

We haven't gotten to the concept of priority possession or like, as it happens in the Five Nights at Freddy's Universe. So after some. After a child is killed in or around the animatronic, typically they will possess the animatronic. And the first instance, the child's soul.

[Amanda]

Will possess the animatronic.

[Courtney]

And the first instance of this is in the fourth game, which is the first in the chronological order after his. After the child is bitten, Evan, he kind of takes the. He's in the Fredbear animatronic. And the Fredbear one's confusing.

[Amanda]

I remember that because didn't he say, like, climb in me to be safe?

[Shane]

That was security.

[Courtney]

That's. That's security breach. And that's.

[Amanda]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Shane]

I wouldn't worry about that game.

[Courtney]

There's.

[Amanda]

There's Fredbear because the game is not good.

[Courtney]

No, there's Fredbear and then there's Freddy Fazbear. It's in Golden Freddy.

[Shane]

I Think we're okay if I can pause for a second? I think we're getting into a lot of nuances. First, I'd rather us focus on William Afton.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Like, and that story first. And then we can start branching out into the more nuanced things.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So four. You know, William Afton has two sons and a daughter. The one son accidentally kills the other son. And this drives William basically crazy.

[Amanda]

Yep.

[Shane]

He's already kind of a crazy guy. He's already a very determined, like, think about, like, you know, the. The weird types out there who run big companies with his craft. Yeah. He's obsessed with animatronics and he wants to make these things. He's also got a fear of death a lot of people talk about in their theories and a desire to live forever kind of thing. Now he starts going crazy after his son's bite. And he has his business partner.

[Amanda]

When you say bite, is he dead?

[Shane]

He's in a com. Yeah.

[Courtney]

He goes into a comb and then he dies.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Oh.

[Shane]

But he has his business partner, Henry Emily, who he feels a lot of animosity and jealousy towards why Henry Emily had.

[Spencer]

They had different. They both had like. They made animatronics, basically. Henry Emily made a different kind and they were like, newer. And when they had come together, they had kind of disputed over what which animatronics would be on the stage and stuff. And I think there's a lot of resentment from Willie and Afton and it was just like they didn't get along very well and they didn't stay working together for very long.

[Amanda]

So which animatronics did Henry Emily make?

[Shane]

He made. So if we're going back further, then they did originally start by having their own restaurant types of places. And Henry Emily was known for having Chica's Party World or something like that. It was. But he had. He had made Chica and he had made.

[Amanda]

Is he more of the rock star?

[Spencer]

Bonnie.

[Shane]

He made Bonnie and. Or no. No.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Because William Afton had this one and they didn't. They was disputing over.

[Courtney]

They used to get in the stage when they were at the diner. They would be the ones in the costume.

[Amanda]

Right. I was wondering that.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So I think. I think. I think Henry would be Bonnie and William will be Fredbear.

[Shane]

Yeah. So they. But they came together to make the diner and then. Then they eventually opened Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. So they were. They were doing really well. But William Upton starts to lose his fucking mind.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And he's. He's crazy, right? And he's. He's becomes kind of a sadistic monster.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

And he eventually, I believe the first he murders children. The first one he murders is Henry Emily's daughter.

[Courtney]

This is after though he loses his own daughter.

[Spencer]

Yeah, but that's too deep. We gotta.

[Shane]

We'll go back to that later because I wanted to get just to the main five nights first. So he kills Henry Emily's daughter and now we get into the whole family dispute. Yeah, but I don't think Henry Emily knows that William Afton's the one who killed her.

[Amanda]

And how does he kill her? He goes into the animatronic.

[Courtney]

She is outside of a birthday party at like one of the establishments.

[Spencer]

You see this in an 8 bit cutscene.

[Courtney]

And she is being protected by the puppet. The puppet is someone who Henry Emily makes to basically protect kids from like the murderous.

[Amanda]

He's the scariest. Yeah, he's the scariest.

[Shane]

See. Cause what I. The theory I read is once she is murdered, William Afton murders her. She then her ghost, her spirit possesses the puppet.

[Courtney]

That is correct.

[Shane]

Do you remember the puppet thing that if you didn't wind the thing up.

[Amanda]

I remember. And the little kid that came up, Balloon boy.

[Shane]

Balloon boy. So. Oh, that's Shane possesses the puppet, but then William Afton. And we'll probably dial it back at some point, but William Afton then continues killing kids.

[Spencer]

And it's because he wants to like, because he keeps just wanting to bring back his own kid. Basically.

[Courtney]

He wants to learn more about how the possession stuff works. So he's like, if I can.

[Amanda]

Like, so his kid can come back.

[Courtney]

Even if he does this. I think you have it on there. Scientists, I will put you back together. That's what he says to his son. As his son is like slipping into death from the coma.

[Shane]

And I think there's probably different theories on his reasoning why, but we know for sure that he murders a bunch of kids now. He murders a Cool. He murders a bunch of kids. And with the help of the. Now that the girl is possessing the puppet, she helps guide these kids spirits into the animatronics. And so.

[Amanda]

And Henry, Amelie's like, what's happening?

[Shane]

Exactly, pretty much. So you were saying it was a fungus. We finally get to one of the answers, big answers. You thought it was a fungus? It was actually that all of these animatronics that you saw in Five Nights at Freddy's one have the ghosts of children that the creator had murdered and they possessed these animatronics.

[Spencer]

And supposedly in One of the cutscenes of when the first kid gets. Gets. Or is it the second kid? No, basically, William Afton would stuff their bodies into the animatronics to hide them, and apparently one of his kids saw that, and that's why he was so afraid of the animatronics at some point.

[Amanda]

So none of the owner's kids are actually in the animatronics except for the puppet.

[Shane]

Well, Henry, Emily's daughter is in the puppet, but otherwise just other kids. That. What he would do is he would get in the Freddy suit, he would lure kids to the back and then kill them.

[Amanda]

I remember seeing this. I remember, like. Remember we saw an old man in the Freddy suit.

[Courtney]

That's. Well, that's William Afton. Yeah, we'll get there.

[Amanda]

Remember, what color was he at the fourth one? It was the beginning part. It almost looked like, like, what's Pac man game? Yeah, Remember it was like, dee Dee, dee, Dee dee. Yeah.

[Spencer]

Yeah. What color? That's. When I say eight bit. That's that pixely?

[Amanda]

Yeah. What color? What? Oh, yeah. But then. But then I remember the. The purple one looks familiar. But then I remember I could actually tell it was an old man.

[Shane]

Interesting.

[Amanda]

In the Freddy suit. And I can't remember which one it was.

[Courtney]

So he wasn't old. He was dead. I think if. If what you're talking about because, like, essentially, we'll get there. But.

[Amanda]

So that should be the title of this podcast.

[Courtney]

We'll get there.

[Amanda]

Essentially, we'll get there.

[Courtney]

So after the fourth game, blah, blah, blah, then you have, like, quickly, like, you know, the daughter, Henry, Emily's daughter, dies, becomes the puppet wild. Then you have the events of Five Nights at Freddy's 2.

[Amanda]

Henry, Emily's daughter was murdered by William Afton.

[Shane]

And the murderer. He's killing.

[Courtney]

He's the bad guy.

[Shane]

He is the ultimate bad guy.

[Courtney]

And then. And then. Then you have the events of Five Nights at Freddy's 2, which is the one where you're kind of. You're sitting there in the security room, and it's like. Yeah, it's black in front of you. You kind of click the flashlight. So that one you play Springtrap is.

[Amanda]

The only one that can.

[Shane]

That's three.

[Courtney]

No, that's three. That one's confusing.

[Spencer]

Two is the one where you didn't need to use the cameras.

[Shane]

That's the mask you put on the mask.

[Amanda]

Yes. I thought the mask. Right. I thought the mask was also. You use the flashlight in front and spring trap.

[Shane]

It's not spring trap. No.

[Courtney]

So Two is. Three is the one where you're just.

[Shane]

Seeing that guy, that bunny guy, that.

[Spencer]

That spring trap move differently.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

One who'd be peeking at the. Out the doorway and looking at you. Oh, yeah, that's spring trap.

[Courtney]

It was the one we did mostly in VR where you have to pick the thing up and put it on.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Courtney]

The mask comes straight down.

[Shane]

And that's where Chica's suddenly, like, different.

[Amanda]

Looking and also huge. In VR.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

She is so tall in VR.

[Courtney]

So the second one, you play as, I think, kind of just a normal security guard for the first, like, five nights.

[Spencer]

Yeah. But it's the security shirt that makes the animatronics be like, oh, you're the bad guy.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Why? Oh, because William.

[Courtney]

Yeah, got it. But then it's a purple shirt. Basically, at the end of Five Nights at Freddy's 2, you are killed off screen. That is the bite of 87. That is when William Afton is.

[Amanda]

No, no. Oh, sorry, me, the security guard.

[Courtney]

Yeah, you, the security guard. And two, you have your frontal lobe bitten out. And like at a birthday party, because the phone guy who calls you is like, hey, like, I need you to like, you know, wear like the. Wear the security guard outfit and stay close to the animatronics. And then your frontal lobe is bitten out.

[Amanda]

Security guard is William Afton.

[Courtney]

No, no. And then.

[Amanda]

Come on.

[Courtney]

And then after. After he dies, there is like a sixth or seventh night, I'm not sure which. And that's when you take over and you play as Michael Afton, the other son, the son who accidentally killed his brother.

[Amanda]

But is he alive?

[Courtney]

He's alive. The brother.

[Amanda]

How does he live with himself?

[Shane]

He's alive. But he smells bad.

[Courtney]

Yeah, he's alive, but he smells bad.

[Amanda]

Why is that part of it?

[Courtney]

But then. So after two ends, then it goes into one and one. In the order or in chronological order, then it's one. And that is where you're playing as Mike Schmidt, AKA Michael Afton, who is William Afton's son, who is basically. He's going around. And at the end when it's like you're fired for tampering with the electronics, it's. Cause he's kind of trying to find and dismantle everything that's happening.

[Amanda]

So Michael is trying to. So Michael killed his brother. He's trying to dismantle the animatronics because he feels bad that he killed his brother and he wants to stop his dad or. Yeah, more or less he wants to stop his dad. Does he feel bad that he killed his brother, of course.

[Shane]

Yeah, I think he does.

[Spencer]

He was a kid as well.

[Amanda]

He was a kid as well. So he's actually. So who's the person calling?

[Courtney]

I think that might be William Afton.

[Spencer]

It's also. It's up for debate whether it's a phone call.

[Amanda]

That's what I just said. And you said no.

[Courtney]

Oh, I thought you were saying who the security guard is.

[Amanda]

No, the guy calling William Afton.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I think it's. I'm not sure. I think it might be William Afton.

[Shane]

I've never heard that it's William Afton. I've heard that it was Courtney.

[Spencer]

But it's also. It's open for debate if it's actually a phone call or if it's a tape that you're listening to.

[Amanda]

Oh.

[Spencer]

And not.

[Amanda]

That's what it says on there. Phone call or tape on the board. Oh.

[Shane]

So, yeah.

[Amanda]

God. The guy who created this was probably like, what did I do?

[Shane]

Literally, what's funny is, as Courtney said, like, these games would be made, but then Matpat and other theorists would, like, create this story that they think is going on, and that would then affect the games, what he then makes. And he. They're kind of one upping each other.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Because that's why things.

[Spencer]

Their theories would be, like, better than his lore. And then he'd be kind of stubborn and wanting to be like, actually, it's something else, and try and like, it was a very. Like.

[Amanda]

So they were literally Mat. Pat, and this creator was literally Henry, Emily and William.

[Courtney]

Exactly.

[Amanda]

That's just a theory.

[Shane]

In many ways. Scott was William Afton and Matpat was Henry, Emily. And there was some jealousy. There was a lot of sounds like it. It's. You know what it's like. Do you remember the movie the Village?

[Amanda]

Of course.

[Shane]

Do you remember how that ending got leaked months before the movie came out? And then M. Night Shyamalan changed the ending, and the ending then sucked.

[Amanda]

The ending sucked. But I do not remember there being a leak.

[Courtney]

I don't remember.

[Amanda]

That's Ron Howard's daughter. And then what's Ron Howard's daughter? And then what's that other actor's name? Who's in.

[Shane]

We do this every episode.

[Courtney]

I've never seen it.

[Shane]

Who was that actor?

[Courtney]

I've never seen it.

[Spencer]

So much to cover.

[Shane]

Anyways, so back to this. But that's what was going on, and that's why the lore is confusing and there's a lot of debate and things often don't make sense. Or there's very. Got.

[Amanda]

It takes that I can understand because.

[Shane]

You know, like I said, Courtney is from the school of matpat. There's a lot.

[Amanda]

Spencer's from the school of vest.

[Shane]

Yeah, yeah. Spencer's from the school of vest. I don't know what's going on.

[Amanda]

And you're from.

[Shane]

I thought I. I thought I knew what was going on in every single sentence that said. I'm like, I know as much as Amanda. I knew that. But I wanted to get to the. The big first thing, which is great. It's ghosts. It's ghosts of children that are. That are controlling the now.

[Amanda]

The children are. What is their motive to, like, move around? They're trying to find William Afton or they're just trying to live and have a party?

[Shane]

I don't think they're trying to live and have a party. I think they are probably vengeful. Vengeful spirits.

[Amanda]

Are they vengeful?

[Courtney]

I think they're trying to.

[Spencer]

They're trying to get William Afton to stop.

[Amanda]

Got it. Understood.

[Shane]

So do we now move on to Five Nights at Freddy's 3?

[Courtney]

Sure. I don't know much about this one.

[Shane]

Oh, this was. This is the one that I think I.

[Spencer]

Perfect. Let me.

[Shane]

So Five Nights at Freddy's 3 is the one where it's kind of more of like it's years in the future, and it's like, oh, we want to make this haunted. Based on all these stories we've heard about Freddy Fazbear's and all the weird shit that's gone on there and the murders and supposed things that have happened. We want to make this horror attraction.

[Courtney]

Sorry, Real fast. Do you Remember which 13 is?

[Shane]

3 is the 1 where it's just the. That yellow rabbit coming. And then you'd have the flashes on screen, but it would be dead, and.

[Amanda]

You turn it off, and then you'd hear. Is that what you're talking about?

[Shane]

That's the bedroom.

[Amanda]

No, no, no, no, no. That weird hallway that. It was really dark and it was like a little game. And you turn on the light and rap to the spot.

[Shane]

No, that was four. That was for a minigame. That's a mini game in 4. 3 is the 1. 3 is the 1 with the computer where you'd have to reboot. Remember, it's like, reboot all.

[Courtney]

Let me show you what the room looks like in FNAF3. If that. It's like where you're in that room, like, the whole time. It's like where he pokes his head out of the. It's like he'll walk by.

[Spencer]

It might blend into.

[Shane]

Okay, yeah. That's one where you have to turn to the computer and it's like, oh, I have to reboot the systems.

[Amanda]

Oh, oh, remember? And we had to keep rebooting. And I was like, let's just reboot.

[Shane]

It all at once.

[Amanda]

And you were like, no, don't do that.

[Shane]

Just reboot the vents. Just. I remember whatever.

[Amanda]

When I was told not to do something that gets me.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

So we.

[Courtney]

Remember we got in trouble when we had to take you out back.

[Shane]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amanda]

It was awful.

[Shane]

Only being chased by the yellow rabbit. But there's the weird faces that would just pop up sometimes. Jarring. That was the first one where you, like, cried.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda]

That's. That's why I forgot it.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And then you see, there was one really fucked up, messed up robot animatronic thing on the ground in one of the cameras. There was different eras where they would take away certain animatronics or bring in other ones.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Courtney]

They vaulted them.

[Spencer]

And those shadows that you saw was their spirits. And it was like kind of the game being. So it's like you could get scared but still play. But it was like they called it Nightmare or Shadow Bunny.

[Courtney]

It's because you had to, like. It's like. It's because you're like running out of air. Remember you had to, like, reset the air.

[Amanda]

Now I remember. I remember that. The ventilation.

[Shane]

Yeah, but you're being. We're only running away from that yellow rabbit.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

What is your theory? Did you have a theory on who that yellow rabbit was? Springtrap.

[Amanda]

Springtrap.

[Shane]

There's just the one guy. And we'd be sitting there being like, fuck you. Like, don't I remember that.

[Amanda]

Well, now I have more of a theory than I did back then. Maybe it's the. Well, you said none of the kids are in the animatronics.

[Shane]

Well, the spirits of children are in these animatronics.

[Amanda]

So which spirit of. Yeah, but.

[Spencer]

But the. The bodies were eventually found. They did, like, find. But then the animatronics were still left behind.

[Amanda]

Oh. So the possession. So it wouldn't be Springtrap, wouldn't be the youngest son, the bite of 83.

[Shane]

I like that. I like that. Guess, though the story's pretty insane. You're probably not going to tell me. It's. It's a lot. I. So I know the general one.

[Spencer]

And then we can add that. We can solve.

[Shane]

You can add the. Add the Details. So William Afton's killing all these children, right?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

But he's. He's. He eventually ends up. He goes back to the Five Nights at Freddy's. Or he goes back to Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. He's there and then he sees the ghosts of these children and they.

[Spencer]

And it's famously known that it's five of them.

[Shane]

Five of these children. And he sees them. He's freaking out. They chase him and corner him. We got to this cutscene at one point in Five Nights at Freddy's three.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Shane]

Where they all. They all show up. And you see this yellow bunny suit.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Shane]

And there's this purple guy. And you're like, who's this purple guy? He then is like, okay, you're not gonna get me. I'm gonna stop you.

[Spencer]

I'm gonna hide in this suit.

[Shane]

I'm gonna hide in this suit. I'm gonna get in this suit.

[Amanda]

William Afton.

[Shane]

William Afton, the guy who killed all these children, the guy behind it all. He gets into this suit and then the springlock stuff messes up and it skewers him and just completely decimates his body on the inside.

[Amanda]

So he's now possessed.

[Shane]

This is what's really crazy. Fucks him up. He's there in this room. Nobody finds him for decades. And he doesn't die. He refuses to die because he's such a hateful, vengeful, crazy person.

[Courtney]

I aspire.

[Shane]

This is where the game takes a train to crazy town.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

He doesn't die. He's just in the suit, basically, as it's like weird, undead, robotic nightmare person. And he's there until it's. That's found and it's brought to that horror attraction. And so that is literally William Afton coming after you. He's just a murderous monster.

[Spencer]

And one of the fun things that's on this board that's like, for example of how people are putting some of these things together, is this kid who's leading the other kids in chasing him. You see on this shot, there's a tear streaming down with an eye very similar to. These are tears going down the puppet's face.

[Amanda]

That is so sad.

[Shane]

That's the. That's Henry's daughter who is leading all, like, helping all these spirits get revenge. And then he was. He's like. He's like, I refuse to die. I refuse. So then he's in this suit now, and he just doesn't die. Because he just doesn't die.

[Amanda]

And he's the worst looking One.

[Shane]

Yeah, he's super messy.

[Spencer]

That's why he moved differently than the animatronics that were just like.

[Amanda]

Yeah, because he doesn't understand well, because he's a body.

[Spencer]

He's like. They're just spirits within a actual animatronic. And so he's a. He's literally.

[Amanda]

That is so scary. I think that if I knew that, the games would be scarier.

[Shane]

Really?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

See, I think that made it less scary for me because I'm just like, oh, there's all this crazy lore.

[Amanda]

Oh, I think. I think attaching like. Like I know it's not true. Well, I don't know. Attaching those type of facts to it would make it scarier for me.

[Courtney]

Wow.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Are there any questions you have? Like, as far as the first four games that you are curious about?

[Amanda]

So William Afton's son Michael killed his brother by accident. He was young. He felt really, really bad about it. So he became the security guard. And William Afton was like, oh, fuck, I can't believe this is happening, but I wanna keep going. And then because he was so upset, he wanted to figure out the possession of his own son. He started killing kids, stuffing them in the animatronics. And the animatronics started coming as the possessed souls. And then he had this. During all of that, William Afton had this kind of like, fuck you, one upping situation with Henry Emily. And then he kills Henry, Emily's daughter, and then she becomes a puppet and then kind of protects the realm. And then all the souls of the kids go after him. And then he jumps into the yellow bunny and then he's now springtrap and fucked up. That's what I've gotten so far, honestly.

[Spencer]

Pretty good. You gathered it really well.

[Shane]

Yeah. Look, people in the comments might dispute some things, but.

[Spencer]

Oh, our comments.

[Shane]

You're going to, you know. You know, the general story. I like.

[Spencer]

Your comments are going to be a nightmare.

[Amanda]

I like information. I like information. Like, I didn't realize this about myself, but Garde's always just like, okay, you won't. You won't like, say yes until you get all the information. Like, I love information so much. So I am eating this up right now. Whether. Whether it's true or not, whatever.

[Courtney]

This is our theory also for.

[Shane]

For people watching, we will have you watch the Matpat videos so you can then fully know. But this is like the introduction.

[Amanda]

I'll watch him if I can meet him.

[Shane]

Because this is us regurgitating Matpat. As far as we interpreted it to you. So it's a game of telephone, and we're probably fucking up a lot, but that's okay. This is fun.

[Amanda]

Big question. Should I watch the movie?

[Spencer]

I want to watch it with you.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Spencer]

Yeah, but it's also. The movie doesn't align very much with this lore. It's confusing.

[Shane]

It's a kind of a different.

[Spencer]

It's a weird Frankenstein.

[Shane]

More of a.

[Spencer]

Honestly, it's visually really cool. Blumhouse did the best they could with the script.

[Amanda]

Got it understood.

[Courtney]

And they had, I think, Jim Henson Co. Make all the puppets.

[Spencer]

Not even joking.

[Shane]

No, it's really cool looking.

[Amanda]

That's really.

[Courtney]

Or sorry, not the puppets, but like, animatronics son. And, like. Because I think his son took over the.

[Spencer]

It's really cool.

[Amanda]

His son took over the company because he did what to his other kid.

[Courtney]

Yeah, because Jim Henson. See, Jim Henson and Stan Winston had a.

[Shane]

No, no, we're joking.

[Courtney]

That.

[Shane]

It's a Henry, Emily, William Afton situation.

[Courtney]

Jim Henson was a real.

[Amanda]

Okay. What else?

[Shane]

Okay, I guess we get into sister.

[Courtney]

Location now, which takes place kind of in between four and two up for debate.

[Amanda]

Sister location is.

[Courtney]

That was the. That was the one where you guys. It was the first one where you guys were like. This is really different. It's, like, where you, like, crawling and you have.

[Amanda]

Oh, I was not a fan of this one. The door. The door, yeah.

[Shane]

You're trying to hold the door.

[Amanda]

The goddamn door.

[Shane]

Yeah. It's awful.

[Courtney]

You're holding the door from. Yeah, that baby.

[Amanda]

The ba. This one drove me nuts. Okay.

[Shane]

Yeah. So that one. You are playing as Michael Afton?

[Courtney]

I believe so, yes.

[Shane]

And I see. I heard chronologically that this could. This could take place. Who fucking knows when? But you are playing as Michael Afton. Now, the crazy thing about this one. Do you remember this girl was the one who was, like, talking to us and leading us around.

[Amanda]

She did it. She talked so much, man.

[Shane]

So the theory is that that is William Afton's daughter who got scooped.

[Amanda]

Scooped.

[Spencer]

You just used the word scooped. She didn't know what that is.

[Amanda]

What's scooped?

[Courtney]

She got scooped.

[Amanda]

What? Scooped?

[Shane]

Did she get scooped?

[Courtney]

Yeah, it's scooped.

[Amanda]

Give me the definition of scooped.

[Spencer]

So these animatronics had. They were like a different model, very different from the other stuff. And they had these weird, mysterious storage compartments in their abdomen. And so you might have seen in some of the gameplay, where you look at blueprints of these animatronics that you could almost see, like a child inside of the abdomen of these Things. And so basically, the kids love these. Some of the kids love these animatronics. The daughter loved them. Some of the cutscenes, you see the brother, like, seeing her in the backyard playing with her little FNAF dolls. And she was just like, courtney. Yeah. And, like, you might have heard a recording of the daughter being like, hey, like, why won't you let me near the animatronics? Like, I really didn't you make her for me? Oh, that made. And the daughter saying that made this one because they wanted to be alive. It was like a weird storm of William Afton wanting to create life for himself to live on forever. But also then it was just. This factory wasn't just making these animatronics. It was harvesting children's souls. Because there was something special and magical about a child's soul that is truly magic and can be used as this infinite energy that he was trying to use. And so she snatches the kid up and puts her in there, and then she's stuck in there.

[Amanda]

She scoops her. Is that what scooping is?

[Spencer]

Scooping is a thing that happens in the factory where it's supposedly for the robots, but it ends up being done to people, and it becomes this weird back and forth where William Afton is trying to basically create life. And then these robots want to be alive.

[Amanda]

Oh.

[Spencer]

So there's books and there's cut scenes that kind of make it. That. It's potentially feels like one of those.

[Amanda]

Typical stories where, like, the mad scientist, his project takes over.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Ex machina.

[Shane]

That's very much. I think, fnaf.

[Amanda]

That's what this feels like.

[Shane]

FNAF is just like, X Mina.

[Amanda]

It's kind of.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Essentially his daughter. So he's already lost the son. He's already lost Ethan or What?

[Shane]

Evan.

[Courtney]

Evan.

[Amanda]

Bite of 83.

[Courtney]

He already lost Ian Hecox from Smoke. And then he's like, this can't happen again. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, as he's like, making all these other robots. Cause he's fucking stupid. His daughter is left alone with baby. And baby.

[Amanda]

Baby's like, baby wants baby inside of baby.

[Courtney]

Exactly. And then baby kills and then is ultimately possesses. I don't remember.

[Spencer]

Her eyes change colors in the game. You see, the daughter has. I think it's. The daughter has blue eyes and baby had green eyes. And when that might be switched. And then when the daughter gets possesses the robot, her eye colors change to the daughter's color.

[Shane]

Oh.

[Amanda]

Because baby's like, I want to know what it's like to have the child's soul in me.

[Courtney]

Well, if you listen, this was the. I listened to this, like, right before we did this. You hear. It's when you're, like, pulling the fucking door shut.

[Amanda]

I hate that.

[Courtney]

It's like when you're in the door, you hear baby talking to you, and baby's like, hey. Like, I was in the room with this girl and, you know, I gave her ice cream, and the next thing I knew, like, she was inside my stomach. She was like. And she was like, that's where I think you guys heard her. She's like, oh. The screaming stopped, like, really quickly.

[Amanda]

I remember this now. That. See, that makes it way scarier. Whereas, like, when I was doing it, I was so annoyed with the fucking door that now I would be like, oh, God.

[Courtney]

And I think that is the freaky. If I can get bigger picture here for a minute, I think that's what's hard to do about horror and like, horror games especially, you have to know the lore.

[Amanda]

Well.

[Courtney]

No, it's like the second you get frustrated, the second it kind of becomes not scary. And I think that's what you guys were encountering a lot in the newest one.

[Shane]

It's like, security breach. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Second, you guys, we were getting frustrated.

[Amanda]

So we weren't as scared. So the game wasn't as fun.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Like, you want in a horror game to feel like if you fail, then it should becomes frustrating. But if it's like, if you, like, feel like. If you feel like you're about to fail, that's when it's really.

[Shane]

Yeah. Tension is what's scary. And that's why, like, when we did VR, what was so scary for me is I never saw the animatronics. And that actually made it worse for me because I was just, like, waiting to see them.

[Spencer]

The Jaws effect, because that's the thing with horror is, like, sometimes it's a perfect amount of mystery that makes it more scary. And I think that that's also why those games weren't as scary, because you're seeing too much.

[Courtney]

You're seeing way they're like, they're like interacting with you. You're like crawling around in Freddy Fazbear. He's like, well, he's walking you around like there's not there in daylight.

[Spencer]

And the movie. The movie fucks up in that way where you see too much and you're like, you get the ick.

[Amanda]

You don't want to see. You don't want to see too much. It's like the Classic movie Halloween. Like, that was one of the first real horror movies that really did that so well, which is what you don't see is the scariest part. And it's just a guy with a mask. But that movie is terrifying.

[Shane]

It's why, like, my favorite of all the games and the one I had the most fun playing was the first one because it's just so minimal and you're just truly in a room. You're looking at security cameras, and they're just there. They're just static. They're not moving around. And that always freaked me the hell out the most. Once you get. Later on, you're seeing them move around. I'm just like. I'm not as scared now. Like, there's too much going on when it's just, like, still images, still security cameras knowing.

[Amanda]

I think the. Knowing that they're getting closer, but you can't see them. You can only see them through, like, a blurry image.

[Courtney]

It's brilliant, frankly.

[Spencer]

Like, signs.

[Amanda]

It's really, really brilliant.

[Spencer]

Do you want to get back to it?

[Shane]

Yeah. A theory that I. Maybe I misinterpreted this from Matpat, but I think something that made me less scared just thinking about the story itself is at the end. Because we didn't beat a lot of these games, but at the end.

[Amanda]

Well, we tried.

[Shane]

We did try. We tried our best. We really did. But at the end of Sister Location and you're playing as Michael Afton, it. What happens at the end of that game is that you get scooped.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Shane]

You get led to a room by Baby. She. She leads you to a room, and it then scoops all. Everything out of him. And then he is replaced.

[Spencer]

They replace what they scooped out with an animatronic, like a machine.

[Shane]

So Michael Afton is actually an animatronic, which.

[Amanda]

Animatronic.

[Shane]

Just.

[Spencer]

He's a human with animatronic insides. Then it starts getting really messed up because then these robots, they start wanting to take on the people. It's like the roles are reversed and there's cutscenes of him walking around in the world, and his body gets more and more messed up because he's basically this walking corpse, but with a machine moving his body.

[Shane]

And so he smells bad.

[Courtney]

That's why he's stinky.

[Amanda]

Wait, guys. I don't remember playing it and having the smell bad thing ever be a thing.

[Spencer]

It's a cut scene. I don't get it either.

[Courtney]

It's only at the end, when it's fired for tampering with A machine and odor.

[Amanda]

Oh, I remember that. And I was like, that's weird.

[Shane]

So. Oh, that makes a lot of stuff crazier. Is that the entire time you're playing as an animatronic person?

[Courtney]

Kind of. Yeah.

[Amanda]

Like, the rest of those games are, when am I playing as an animatronic?

[Courtney]

As One and Five Nights at Freddy's One and Two, you're playing as Michael Afton, who has been scooped and is a dead guy, but who's still, like.

[Spencer]

He'S trying to fix it.

[Courtney]

He's driven to solve the. Or, like, resolve the.

[Amanda]

Make amends for his father's mistakes. Wow.

[Spencer]

So he's trying to, like, the. William Afton was, like. Had a. Like, a side quest of, like, making synthetic people. Almost, like. And that's what Michael Afton ended up becoming was like. Because it's like, robot inside, look, person outside. And a lot of the books are like. I guess they're not the best written, but, like, there's books where it's, like, about the daughter and how she might have been taken on by Baby. But the story is about this young girl who's, like, she's grown up, and then she starts to learn that she's not a real person. And she was supposedly the daughter of William Afton. So, like, there's all these weird, interesting side plots of him. He literally tried to recreate his kids with this soul energy and with robotics.

[Amanda]

I see. So the kids are just dealing with the father's madness.

[Spencer]

Did you ever meet her? Did you ever meet her?

[Amanda]

I do remember her.

[Shane]

She's the one in the dark room that we're trying to hide.

[Courtney]

The ballerina.

[Spencer]

She sings.

[Shane]

Yes, Mother. Yeah.

[Spencer]

So it's really annoying to me because Matpat at first totally dismissed her, and a lot of people don't really pay attention to her. But it's, like, so obvious to me that William Afton made her after his wife. Because there's so many, like, cutscenes where there's upset, disgruntled wife and literally baby the daughter and then this woman. So that's why I put Mother, because it's, like, very obviously, like, I don't think it's her soul, but I think she left him and he wanted to replace her. In a sense, he's definitely left him. That's my personal theory.

[Amanda]

I believe that that feels like it's like, why else?

[Spencer]

And then people are like, no, he just wanted to make more sexy characters because there is this community that, like, totally sexualizes the animatronics, and it's It's a thing. It's a different.

[Courtney]

It's a pretty awesome community and it's frankly pretty children.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Shane]

So what was funny is when you were like, talking about Chica is. It's like. Is Chica a baby or a woman? It's like kind of both. But a ghost of a child.

[Amanda]

Well, she's both, but the young child is stunted in growth. They're not growing up to be adults. Right.

[Shane]

I guess.

[Amanda]

But then again, why did the animatronic change so much? Is it a different animatronic?

[Spencer]

There's constantly new models, so it's a different model.

[Amanda]

So the kid goes off and possesses the new models?

[Shane]

No, I don't think so.

[Courtney]

I think they're just fully different, like updated.

[Amanda]

So maybe it's a possession of someone else, but it's not an adult.

[Shane]

Well, I think he also murdered more kids than those five.

[Spencer]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, no, those are just the original five. So. Yeah, I think you're right where it's like. Yeah. He was literally harvesting children's soul energy in this sister location facility where he's creating all these robots and that's what powered them.

[Courtney]

And that's where you see, it's like the underground. Like, it is like the sister location. I think it might be under his house.

[Spencer]

And that's way too where the fungus is.

[Courtney]

Or the funguses.

[Shane]

Where the fungus is.

[Courtney]

The fungus is the soul energy I don't think we really addressed. But in five Nights at Freddy's four, you know, where you're like the sun, you're running around and blah, blah, blah.

[Amanda]

Yeah, that sun was so annoying.

[Courtney]

You know, there's like the animatronic, like the little mini fazbear on the bed. That's how the dad would kind of keep him in check. It's got like, camera eyes. And I think you see the footage, like, of that, like later in the.

[Spencer]

Game, his little toy and it talks to him, right?

[Courtney]

Yeah, that's like, you know, his surrogate dad kind of like, you know, I.

[Spencer]

Thought it was just like him. Yeah. Just surveying his.

[Courtney]

Yeah, so, like, there's like surveillance cameras in the. In, like all throughout the house.

[Amanda]

So when the little kid, Evan, is going through one of the games, he's not dead yet.

[Courtney]

He's not dead, but he dies in the game, like, kind of like off camera.

[Shane]

I didn't know that.

[Courtney]

Like.

[Spencer]

Well, because sometimes in the gameplay you see, like, hospital stuff. You might not have paid attention to the environment so much.

[Courtney]

Well, I don't think y'all got that far. Which understandable, is so scary. That gives it.

[Shane]

Yeah. There are occasional moments, I guess in the game where if. And I need to just watch someone else play it again because I watched Markiplier play it. But you'll occasionally see like, is it like an IV or something? You'll see like bottles. So it's like once you're on the fourth night or fifth night.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And so you're like, oh, wait, why is the environment kind of changing? And it's because then I guess supposedly you're then playing.

[Courtney]

So like the first four nights you're like having a nightmare. And then in between like night four and five or five and six or whatever, that's when the bite of 83 occurs. You're in the coma and you're in the coma. And then like, as you're dying, you have like the one last like nightmare. And that's when your father's like, I will put you back together.

[Shane]

That's truly the most horrifying plotline of any of the games. And that's. That is also the worst game to play. Is so terrifying.

[Amanda]

I love that we're putting all of this information and then attaching game to it.

[Shane]

I know. It's like game and the game is like so minimal and silly. No.

[Spencer]

Because when in Matpat's videos he's telling all this lore and story and showing cutscenes, but he doesn't show a single lick of gameplay. It's so.

[Courtney]

It's because you see the gameplay and you're just like.

[Shane]

Yeah, you're just like.

[Courtney]

The gameplay's not. It's sitting guy. But it's funny. I mean, even all these like horrific events, when you see them in the like, in the like cutscenes, it's just like. And then like the worst thing ever happened. You see like those silly little.

[Shane]

All told in eight.

[Amanda]

So do we know which kids are in which animation?

[Shane]

I don't think like there are.

[Spencer]

There is content that it says there's.

[Courtney]

Like they all like. Like one of the kids. I think one of the kids names is like Fritz or something silly.

[Spencer]

It's Fitzgerald who's in Chica.

[Amanda]

That's what I want to know.

[Spencer]

A girl. A little girl.

[Shane]

Little girl.

[Amanda]

She's hungry Now.

[Shane]

I don't even know the answer to this, but is like another kid in Balloon Boy and stuff.

[Courtney]

Is it, I don't know, the balloon Boy.

[Amanda]

We gotta give this a. Shane, this is.

[Shane]

He needs to think.

[Spencer]

Okay, so the kid. Okay, so there is a child within Balloon Boy. His name is Shane Topp.

[Amanda]

Yeah, it's me. And he keeps coming in. Hello.

[Shane]

Hello, it's me.

[Amanda]

Hello.

[Courtney]

Hello.

[Amanda]

So we need to know balloon boy lore.

[Spencer]

I don't know balloon boy lore.

[Shane]

I don't either. I think I wanted to cover just that it's ghosts.

[Spencer]

Yeah. And there was a lot of. And a lot of these animatronics. Like the puppet. It was supposed to be like surveillance by like purpose.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

And it was a surveillance thing for not just for the kids spirits, but like when it was built for Henry, Emily, the pizza place. It was to watch kids.

[Amanda]

Oh.

[Spencer]

Just to like. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Courtney]

So balloon boys. His. His pronouns are he, him. According to the five nights at Freddy's Wiki as five nights at Freddy's wiki is fan made.

[Amanda]

Oh, it is.

[Spencer]

Yeah, it's all. It's all fan made. But the creator of these games be popping off on Twitter or at least used to be.

[Courtney]

Yeah, there's no lore on the wiki.

[Spencer]

Good job. Well, I guess the literally interrupted me deep into some lore to give us nothing. Go off, girl. Give us nothing.

[Courtney]

He wears blue pants and simple brown shoes.

[Shane]

Wow. See, I didn't know that.

[Courtney]

See, I actually didn't know that due to the fact that his only lines of dialogue depict him saying hello, hi. And laughter. Balloon boy's personality is not clearly specified.

[Spencer]

Yeah, but the way that the. So but all of those. These animatronics that were being made and with the timeline being all crazy. This sister location where it was the facility where they like they made a lot of these animatronics. These animatronics weren't just in the facilities, they were also rented out to birthday parties. So there was like, I think you could see a schedule of availability, a schedule of availability for each of the animatronics. And you could see like, oh, Chica wasn't available because she was either in maintenance or at a party. And like so balloon boy could have been made and then they all just like had at some point they just had a soul, a generic soul that was just taken at some point.

[Courtney]

And we haven't even gotten to brother location.

[Amanda]

But doesn't that. Is that made up? Yeah, but doesn't that suck that you die and you have to possess and then you have to work kids parties. It's almost like getting killed. And then you're like, all right, well you're dead. Sorry about that. Go work this princess party. You're gonna be Cinderella for a bunch of 10 year olds. Her fate words to death. Yeah, I don't.

[Courtney]

I like. I think balloon. But, like, some might just legit be animatronics. Because, like, the animatronics work they do. Like, you can, like, might just legit just be an animatronic.

[Spencer]

Like, they sing songs and give ice cream. Like, that's like the whole thing.

[Courtney]

Have you met Charles Entertainment? Cheese?

[Amanda]

No.

[Courtney]

Chuck E. Cheese. Oh, I.

[Amanda]

So when I was a kid, I did not like going to Chuck E. Cheese because I don't like animatronics and dolls. I get scared of them.

[Shane]

I like dolls, animatronics.

[Amanda]

I'm not around animatronics that much, but, like, I don't. I remember Chuck E. Cheese being like, even remember in the Goofy movie when they went to go to a pizza place and they had fake animatronics and it was kind of a scary scene. Do you remember that?

[Spencer]

Well, I mean, what's crazy is one. So you know how the thing that started, the thing that started all of this, which was them telling you that Five Nights was a true story. The game itself is roughly inspired by a true story that happened at Chuck E. Cheese. And this is Trigger Warning. It is, like, based on a real murder that happened. It was an ex employee came into a Chuck E. Cheese after hours. Like, a party was running late, and five employees were still there. Five. And they were all, I'm so sorry, this is dark. But they were shot. And he thought he killed all five of them. But the fifth person was still alive, survived. And then that person was put to trial and arrested.

[Amanda]

So that person was able to be like, no, no.

[Spencer]

This happened where this person thought he killed all them in Chuck E. Cheese. They were not in the suits.

[Amanda]

Well, I need to look this up.

[Spencer]

Yeah, that's what started it all. And that was in the early 90s, I believe.

[Shane]

Damn.

[Amanda]

This is like, it's such a crazy story. But it's also like, you know how they say there's like 10 stories and we just keep doing theories based on those 10 main stories? This is true. It's like very much greed, hunger. Well, yeah, kind of hunger, but greedy jealousy and, like, having a bunch of people pay for, like, one person's greed and their mistakes. It's very much that story. But shall I say it's also very fungus like, because everything is connected and all the animatronics are also. They're kind of like talking to each other. So really, I was correct.

[Shane]

Yeah, I think you were right.

[Courtney]

It's like a spectral fungus.

[Shane]

Well, the creator of Five Nights at Freddy's could Come out and say, you know what? Actually, Amanda's correct.

[Spencer]

Yeah, he might.

[Shane]

He could change it all and then that's it. That's true.

[Amanda]

Now I doubt it, but that's awesome.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

This was unbelievable.

[Spencer]

Yeah. There's also so much we didn't touch on. Some things might have been out of order. Like, there is all. There is cutscenes and stuff that has. Stuff that happened to Emily, Stuff that happened to Henry. Emily, the business partner.

[Amanda]

Yeah. I want to know about that.

[Spencer]

But, yeah, I feel like. I feel like. I feel pretty good about what we told Amanda today.

[Shane]

You now could have a conversation with someone about it.

[Amanda]

Absolutely. When I meet Matpat, we will talk.

[Shane]

Literally. No, I mean, look, I tried reaching out to him. I've had no success. But when someday we do have him on, because that's my dream. You will be able to just riff on it now.

[Amanda]

So you'll have Matpat on, and I'll have Keith Morrison on, and we'll bring them on. On the same episode.

[Shane]

Exactly.

[Spencer]

Amazing.

[Shane]

They're basically the same.

[Amanda]

Oh, okay.

[Courtney]

But it's also. It's also important to note that we didn't really get to any of, like, the resolutions of any of this. Like, some of the games do kind of try and, like, resolve this.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

But it's just like, frankly, there's been, like. There's like, five different endings where it's like. And then they finally kill William Afton. But he's back.

[Shane]

Yeah, but we didn't play some of the games.

[Spencer]

Yeah. There's one thing he says. He says, I always come back.

[Shane]

Yeah. But, you know, the general idea, you know, it's ghosts now.

[Amanda]

It's not for Guys have launched me into the beginning of my research.

[Shane]

Yeah. And I will be sending you the entire playlist of Matpat's explanations.

[Spencer]

We should make sure we send her the important ones. You can see when you get the playlist, you can see there's, like, some that have, like, 600,000 views. And then you'll see some that have, like, 48 million views.

[Amanda]

48 million.

[Shane]

Yeah. He's Matpat.

[Courtney]

And the problem. Not the problem. But, you know, when he's making the earlier videos, he doesn't have all the information, like, because no one did. So he's making, like, his theories based on, like, just playing the first two, and then by the time the third or fourth one comes out, it'll kind of, like, undermine or cancel, like, things that, like, he cancel out.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Like predicted. So I would recommend. And, you know, we'll try and curate. Like, you know, maybe we'll post something in the comments too, or the. In the description. It's like, hey, I love that idea.

[Spencer]

It's hard journalism and research that he's done. Like, he worked so hard. Don't laugh at that.

[Shane]

No, I'm saying it's. It's. It. There's a truth to it.

[Spencer]

I don't even know how many hours he spent researching the gameplay itself, all these forums, and trying to make sense of it all himself, like. And he truly told an amazing story. So much so that he threw the creator for a loop. And honestly, it all imploded on itself.

[Shane]

Whoa.

[Amanda]

So he became the mad scientist. No, he's Henry, Emily. That's what you.

[Spencer]

And then with the VR game that potentially plays into it, where it's like, oh, he sold off the gameplay, but turns out Springtrap is inside the VR because you, as an employee of this VR company, are inspecting the games when you're playing them, and you get led down to actually let Springtrap out on accident. It's crazy.

[Amanda]

Which is William Afton. Yeah, you think? But that's just the theory. You said it. So cool.

[Shane]

I said it.

[Amanda]

I'm so cool.

[Shane]

Well, thank you both for being here.

[Amanda]

Yes. Thank you so much for covering this.

[Shane]

For me, because I didn't know.

[Amanda]

And this board. We need to take a picture of this board and post.

[Shane]

Oh, this is the thumbnail.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

Just that none of us just picture Matpat. Amanda. The five nights at Freddy's Journey has been insane.

[Spencer]

Oh, and there's so much I didn't get to say.

[Shane]

I know we scratched the surface. I'm sure there's inconsistencies and people who.

[Spencer]

Are watching right now. If you're a FNAF fan and this made your little soul cringe, I'm so sorry, but it's all just a theory, like Amanda said.

[Amanda]

That's right.

[Shane]

Yeah. That's what Amanda's known for saying. That's just a theory.

[Amanda]

Yep.

[Shane]

A game theory.

[Courtney]

Okay, now he's never gonna Come on.

[Shane]

Yeah, I know.

[Amanda]

Don't do that. Hey, Henry, Emily, it's fine. Just come on the show.

[Shane]

Yeah, come on down, Henry, Emily. Thank you all for watching Amanda. Thanks for being such a sport throughout all this.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God, I love it. I was so, so, so curious, and now I have this information. Thanks for spending so much time on it. I appreciate it. I'm excited. I love scary shit.

[Spencer]

Love you.

[Amanda]

Love you.

[Shane]

All right.

[Amanda]

I guess I, I. I'm attracted to you. What's going, huh?