S2: #82 - Shayne’s TikTok is a Sewer

Summary

Podcast Summary: Smosh Mouth S2: #82 - Shayne’s TikTok is a Sewer

Episode Information:

• Title: Smosh Mouth
• Hosts: Shayne Topp (Shayne), Amanda Lehan-Canto (Amanda), and rotating Smosh friends
• Episode: S2: #82 - Shayne’s TikTok is a Sewer
• Release Date: September 30, 2020
• Description: Join Shayne Topp (short), Amanda Lehan-Canto (tall), and a rotating Smosh friend as they discuss their thoughts, internet finds, and quirky ideas.

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1. Introduction to Social Media Usage

The episode kicks off with Shayne reflecting on his limited use of social media before joining Smosh. He admits, “I hardly used social media before I joined Smosh. Never used Instagram, I rarely tweeted, and I didn't have a Vine” [00:00]. Courtney (Amanda) contrasts this by highlighting Vine’s transformative role in internet comedy: “Vine changed Internet comedy forever. It walked so the TikTok could run” [00:14].

2. Shayne’s Struggles with TikTok and Gaming Frustrations

Shayne delves into his tumultuous relationship with TikTok, expressing discomfort with the platform's algorithm: “My for you page may not be diagnosing me with anything, but the sheer existence of it is alarming and makes me wonder if something is wrong with me on a very deep level” [00:19]. He shares his intense frustrations with the game Fall Guys, describing how it affects his mood:

“If I do really shitty, I'm starting off my day by being just furious... I get so mad.” [01:44]

Shayne describes his gameplay rut, where increased randomness and difficulty levels have left him feeling overwhelmed and angry, leading him to physically express his frustration by hitting his mattress [02:54].

3. The Evolution from Vine to TikTok

Courtney and Shayne discuss Vine’s legacy and its influence on TikTok. Courtney asserts that Vine laid the groundwork for modern internet comedy and influenced platforms like Instagram and TikTok: “Vine changed Internet comedy forever, changed comedic timing. It walked so that TikTok could run” [06:05]. Shayne counters by comparing TikTok to early YouTube, emphasizing the platform's vast and varied content:

“I get the same vibes of TikTok right now that I did from YouTube in 2008” [17:30]

They explore how Vine accelerated content consumption and shaped who becomes famous online, noting that platforms today like TikTok offer a more diverse and unpredictable array of content creators [17:36].

4. TikTok’s Impact on Mental Health and Self-Image

The conversation shifts to the psychological effects of TikTok usage. Shane highlights the platform's addictiveness and the overwhelming amount of information it feeds users:

“It’s very dangerously addicting” [10:19]

Courtney echoes these sentiments, discussing how prolonged use during quarantine led to feelings of being overwhelmed, emphasizing the need for pacing and mindful consumption [34:55]. Shayne adds insight into the potential for self-diagnosis and misinformation on TikTok, advocating for critical thinking and professional consultation over self-diagnosis [12:58].

5. Authenticity and Content Creation on TikTok

Shayne and Courtney explore the challenges of creating authentic content amidst TikTok’s trends. Shayne expresses his desire to post uniquely weird and chaotic content:

“I'm gonna try to have had posted some weird. At least two or three. Just some weird shit” [24:22]

Courtney discusses her struggles with maintaining authenticity while conforming to popular trends, noting that her attempts often fall flat:

“Stuff doesn't do well and I'm just... I delete them” [25:01]

They emphasize the importance of personal expression over chasing likes, with Shayne advocating for posting content that genuinely reflects their personalities, regardless of its reception [55:27].

6. Navigating TikTok Trends and the For You Page

The duo delves into the intricacies of TikTok’s For You Page (FYP), comparing it to their personal experiences. Shayne describes his FYP as a “cursed hell world,” filled with bizarre and unrelatable content that often confounds him [52:10]. Amanda shares her own overwhelmed feelings, suggesting strategies like unfollowing non-joyful accounts to curate a happier feed [47:22].

Shayne also touches on the platform's algorithmic strength, which constantly presents new and hilarious content from unknown creators, contrasting it with Vine’s limited and repetitive humor [57:20]. Courtney appreciates how TikTok normalizes diverse behaviors and authentic expressions, allowing users to see content that isn’t overly polished or perfect [45:59].

7. Audience Questions on TikTok’s Influence

The hosts address listener questions about TikTok’s impact on younger audiences and the promotion of certain beauty standards. Shayne acknowledges the dual nature of social media, where it encourages self-confidence but also fosters comparison and insecurity:

“...deletes their own content... you get so much stuff... it can really hurt you” [41:34]

Courtney counters by highlighting TikTok's ability to normalize different forms of self-expression, making the platform a space for both relatability and humor without the pressure of perfection [45:59].

8. Final Segment: Shoot Dude Stories

In their signature "Shoot Dude" segment, Shayne and Courtney share embarrassing childhood anecdotes submitted by listeners. Courtney narrates Sarah’s story of a 4-year-old mistakenly declaring her dream to be an exotic dancer during Sunday school, emphasizing how children unknowingly use adult terminology:

“...my mom told me that I should follow my dreams. The lady was very concerned...” [62:42]

Shayne adds his own tales, including awkward moments with his nieces, highlighting the innocence and unintentional humor in children’s statements [63:03].

9. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the podcast concludes, Shayne motivates listeners to embrace their uniqueness on social media, encouraging bold and unconventional content creation:

“There is nothing more liberating than doing something so weird that everyone's confused” [55:26]

Courtney emphasizes the importance of surrounding oneself with positive and personally fulfilling content, advocating for a curated social media experience that promotes happiness over obligation [47:22]. The hosts reiterate their commitment to maintaining authenticity and using their platforms responsibly, balancing fun with meaningful engagement.

Notable Quotes:

• Shayne on TikTok’s impact: “My for you page may not be diagnosing me with anything, but the sheer existence of it is alarming and makes me wonder if something is wrong with me on a very deep level” [00:19]
• Courtney on Vine’s legacy: “Vine changed Internet comedy forever. It walked so that TikTok could run” [00:14]
• Shayne on social media addiction: “It’s very dangerously addicting” [10:19]
• Shayne encouraging authenticity: “There is nothing more liberating than doing something so weird that everyone's confused” [55:26]

Conclusion:

In this episode of Smosh Mouth, Shayne Topp and Courtney Miller engage in a candid discussion about the complexities of social media, particularly TikTok's influence on comedy, mental health, and personal authenticity. Through personal anecdotes, critical insights, and audience interactions, they navigate the balance between embracing digital platforms for creative expression and mitigating their potential negative impacts. The episode underscores the importance of mindful engagement with social media, promoting a healthy and authentic online presence.

Transcript

[Shane Topp]

Ramble. I hardly used social media before I joined Smosh. Never used Instagram, I rarely tweeted, and I didn't have a Vine.

[Courtney Miller]

Vine changed Internet comedy forever. It walked so the TikTok could run.

[Shane Topp]

My for you page may not be diagnosing me with anything, but the sheer existence of it is alarming and makes me wonder if something is wrong with me on a very deep level.

[Courtney Miller]

I know the WAP dance. I'm not flexible to execute it at this time, but I can do it.

[Shane Topp]

Not at this time am I capable of the WAP dance, but I'm going to train. I'm entering the dojo. Welcome to the WAP Dojo. Yeah. I'm not saying I don't have, like, a voice that could sing. I'm saying I don't know how. And so when I sing, I'm often off key. Like, I'm not going to be able to, like, you can't tell me to sing a song and I'm gonna do it. Like, I don't know how to do.

[Courtney Miller]

It unless it's for a bit, though.

[Shane Topp]

I even took singing. I'll do it funny, but I'm still not necessarily hitting the right notes and everything. Like, I'll do karaoke. Doing karaoke and trying to, like, actually sing a song is different.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. If you don't want to sing, you don't have to sing. I don't mean to make you.

[Shane Topp]

I have fun, like singing silly, but I, like, I don't enjoy trying to actually sing. Well, you know, I love listening to other people sing.

[Courtney Miller]

You don't need another talent right now.

[Shane Topp]

So you said you started your day off this morning by playing fall.

[Courtney Miller]

Not today, you didn't. Today was the first day in a while that I didn't. I still have yet to win a crown.

[Shane Topp]

Dude, it's hard. It's gotten harder. The update made it so much harder.

[Courtney Miller]

I get on like crazy now.

[Shane Topp]

I get on Fall Mountain. I get close to the top, and then there's just so many more obstacles that absolutely knocked all the way down. Just getting the shit kicked out of me on so many levels that I used to just get. I used to get first place on a lot of levels. Now I'm Gatecrash, man. There's an element of luck now because a lot of the gates are randomized more so than they were. So I get destroyed. I often start my day, I wake up, and first thing I'll, like, I'll wake up, I'll get out of bed, I'll go over my tv. I'll put on fall guys because I'm just like, well, I want to check the store. Let's see what they got. And then that leads to me going, well, I'll play around. And then that can either be a good thing. Wow, that can either be a good thing. If I do really well, if I win a crown first thing, oh my, that's a great day. But if I do really shitty, I'm starting off my day by being just furious. Like first thing, I'm like, let me play some fall guys. It's 8am and I'm starting my day by being like, fuck. Just. I get so mad. My thing. What? I've found a perfect outlet for my anger because if I do really bad, oh man, I get so mad that I will walk over to my bed and I will just hammer fist my mattress.

[Courtney Miller]

Why do you get so mad?

[Shane Topp]

I just get so frustrated. I'm like. Because it's often like just. You know what makes me so mad is when I'm doing the correct thing. But the crowd, I just can't get out of the crowd. And I feel claustrophobic playing it. And I'm just like, this sucks. I'm like, I'm doing everything right. I'm getting bumped off this level. This sucks. So I just get, I get so. I have never gotten so mad at a video game. And I love fall guys. It's like with the highs are so high and the lows they couldn't be lower. I get so unbelievably furious. But I get, I give. I can get very angry with games. Not. I don't get angry at a person. I just get angry. Like I just have a ton of energy cuz I'm so focused. So when it goes wrong, that focus has to just like come out. So it just, it ends up with me being me screaming or like I said, I hammer fist my mattress. I just get a good old swing and just bringing my fist down on my mattress. I make, I make a loud noise too.

[Courtney Miller]

Do you remember that game Flappy Bird that caused people to like murder? Do you remember that?

[Shane Topp]

I never played. I never, I remember the game. I never played it.

[Courtney Miller]

But there was like stories where people like got in altercations and physical fights and I think, I don't know if someone was killed, but like people, people got so mad over that game to.

[Shane Topp]

Get murdered over Flappy Bird.

[Ian Hecox]

Well, the creator of the game actually put out an official apology and withdrew his game from the market.

[Shane Topp]

I remember that.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, the game went away.

[Shane Topp]

I Remember that? That was a big story. Remember when that was the big story? Remember a time when Flappy Bird being taken off of the App Store was the biggest story? And now in 2020, that would not. That would be a blip.

[Courtney Miller]

Be like number nine on trending.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Today you just got Shane and me in this pod. It's just us, the biggest clash, biggest butting heads. So crazy.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, we're gonna fight.

[Courtney Miller]

We're gonna fight, but we aren't gonna actually physically fight. Sorry, guys, not this time. But today we're actually gonna be talking about some things that I feel very passionate about and I think Shane is very excited about as well. Is talking about TikTok and RIP, vine and talking about those video ads.

[Shane Topp]

Talking about the talk.

[Courtney Miller]

I thought you were gonna say talk about bugsnax. And I almost got.

[Shane Topp]

No, I'm not. We're not talking about Bugsnax today. We're talking about TikTok, another way of life.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. We asked you guys on Twitter to give us some questions on things, some unpopular opinions on all things TikTok, vine, stuff like that. So I'm very excited to talk about these things today. You know, speaking of old apps, you know, like Flappy Bird. Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. What do you think? You like TikTok a lot.

[Courtney Miller]

It's crazy because I was very anti TikTok when we first started at Mythical, because I hated so much the aspect of taking a thing and copying it hundreds and hundreds of times. And also the whole aspect where, like, there are people who were just getting famous for just looking hot and lip syncing to a song.

[Shane Topp]

But hasn't that been every app ever?

[Courtney Miller]

It started, it started with vine, which is the unfortunate thing, but I mean.

[Shane Topp]

Instagram has always been. People are famous for being hot on Instagram.

[Courtney Miller]

Instagram is very much like a self serving app, but it was just photos I can get. I am actually very ready for this episode because I want to go into how vine changed Internet comedy forever, changed comedic timing. It walked so that TikTok could run. Instagram stole from both platforms.

[Shane Topp]

Damn.

[Courtney Miller]

There is so much to it that a lot of people don't realize because they just jump on and watch funny videos and it's on to the next thing. There's so much to it.

[Shane Topp]

Nobody puts a lot of thought into TikTok or maybe, you know, people probably do. But I think that apps like that get away with a lot more than we think because you just hop on it, you watch a couple videos, you get off. So you're not thinking about how deep it Goes. I mean, like. And you know, when you talk about like the data mining and everything that these things do, I mean, my. For your page. With the amount of data that I'm sure they're taking from me and observing of me. My for your page, the. That's. It's. It's a scary sight that I'm like, they've looked deep into my soul and this is what they see.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, they're stealing your data. It's videos of old men in their trucks in the morning.

[Shane Topp]

We've studied everything about Shane Topp and we've determined that at his innermost core, his greatest desire is to see crazy, crazy old men making unironic tiktoks. Oh my gosh. Yeah, we'll get into it. But guys, my for you page, I.

[Courtney Miller]

Want you to explain like, what, like the like first 10 videos of your for your page would be when you log into TikTok.

[Shane Topp]

Oh, God. Well, first. Okay, first you do that first. Cause I feel yours is crazy. But I feel like. Would you agree that if we were to look at the for your pages of everyone at Smosh?

[Courtney Miller]

Mine. Oh, it's so different.

[Shane Topp]

Mine. But. But whose is the most cursed?

[Courtney Miller]

Yours.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. If Ian was on TikTok more. I don't think he goes on TikTok enough. I think if Ian was on it the most, I think his would be very cursed.

[Courtney Miller]

I think it would be political stuff. Unfortunately. Very. He's watching documentaries all the time and, and learning about politics. So, like, I think it would be because, like, my. My for you page is a mix of Shane's cursed content. But then also, like, here's how to like, drain your lymph nodes or get the swelling out of your face or. Hey, did you know that it's. It is much more difficult to diagnose ADHD in females and males. And like, like, I'll be like, they're like, hey, do you have all these issues? Do you dissociate conversations? Are you worried about how you look like in a conversation more than what the actual conversation is? You're autistic and you're like, what, people are just self diagnosing each other? Which some stuff is educational. I do enjoy at least taking it with a grain of salt because you can't trust just some random person with an iPhone. But it's that. And then lots of cats. So many cats.

[Shane Topp]

I think cats are on everyone's for you page, I think.

[Courtney Miller]

But, oh, you know what I get a lot of is bird content. Oh, I get a lot of like parakeets and parrots being cute.

[Shane Topp]

That's awesome.

[Ian Hecox]

So really quick, this is just for any of our listeners who might be completely out of the know of TikTok. They've heard of it, but they don't know what it is. Do you mind going into what TikTok is and what a for you page is?

[Courtney Miller]

Sure, yeah. TikTok. Okay, so TikTok is a short form video app that is creator based and people can make comedy literally anything. And it can go from being a few seconds long to a minute or more. Sometimes I'm not sure. I think, I think a minute is the max.

[Shane Topp]

I think a minute is the max. Yeah, I think, I think, yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Other apps are making things longer, you know, but. And a for you page. Well, the crazy thing about TikTok, which blew my mind when I first finally decided to download it in my phone, I was very resistant for a while is you don't even have to have an account. You just open up your phone and you just start scrolling and it just serves you anything, literally anything. And then it's paying attention to what you're watching the longest or maybe sharing or liking and it'll serve you more things that it thinks you will like. It's very intelligent in that way. And you just keep scrolling and all of a sudden you've been on it for three hours and you've learned that may have three new mental illnesses but also love cats who wear clothes. It's absolutely insane. I used to hate it very much. I love it now. But the only thing I hate is that it is very dangerously addicting.

[Shane Topp]

It's very addictive. I mean, it's designed to keep holding your attention at such a crazy rate to the point that I would suggest before even opening the app, setting a timer because you will get lost and it'll be two hours later and you'll.

[Courtney Miller]

Be like, oh my God. And it's so much information coming at you. Cause yeah, amongst all those things that I explained, there's also like, did you know your rights when you're getting pulled over by a police officer? Like there is so much just rapid fire information coming at you so quickly. It is, it can be overwhelming.

[Shane Topp]

But it's also true what you said earlier about taking it with a grain of salt because it is just a person recording themselves saying a thing most of the time.

[Courtney Miller]

Like, or just reading or just they're saying a tweet they saw.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, yeah. They'll be like, did you know that this. And then I found some because there was that one where that firefighter debunked it. He duetted it. But a girl was being like, isn't it strange that all the fires in the US Stop at the border? And it's like. And then the firefighter's like. Cause you're looking at a map of a US Database, so they don't have the Canadian and Mexican fires on there because it's a US Database. And I'm like, probably a lot of people saw that video of hers and were like, whoa, like, that's crazy. So it moves on to the next thing. It is true. And that's also a danger of TikTok. Cause you have a ton of people telling you stuff, take it all with a grace, and you got to kind of be like, all right, if something interests you, then research it more outside of TikTok.

[Courtney Miller]

Like, I, I, like, I get a lot of mental health TikTok content. And sometimes one will really get to me and I'll be like, is this an issue that I have? And I will bring it to my therapist and sometimes she'll be like, that's interesting to think about. Or she'll be like, courtney, no. Yeah, you don't have autism.

[Shane Topp]

And that's. That's the. That's probably a question your therapist gets a lot. I think, I think that's a fair. I think in our day and age, I bet you a lot of therapists have people being like, hey, am I, Am I this spectrum, whatever? Like, and that's fair. That's totally fair. But I was talking to Courtney about this the other day. Like, obviously, I only have a bachelor's in psychology. That does not make me an expert. But the main thing that you learn in psychology is you don't know yourself as well as you think you do. And so self diagnosing is very, very dangerous and unreliable. Do not trust a self diagnosis. It's okay to think, oh, I might. This is how I'm feeling. And I might have this. And to go to a professional and say, hey, this is how I'm thinking, and this I'm feeling. But never run with it entirely and go, oh, my gosh, I have that. And it's even. Even with physical diagnosis. Like, you know, it's why WebMD is like, you have cancer. Like, because everything can be anything. You know, you can think you have adhd, it might be something else. It might be whatever. It could be the. Literally just the stimuli that you're presented with that's making you feel a certain way. It could be that world is Making you constantly feel like you have to be thinking a thousand miles per minute.

[Courtney Miller]

But your for you page.

[Shane Topp]

So going back, you know, my for your page may not be diagnosing me with anything, but the sheer existence of it is alarming and makes me wonder if something is wrong with me on a very deep level. My for your page is like, it's just people making TikToks unironically. So I'll just get like an old man looking at his camera, just being like, you guys are just mean because you're British. I'm not long for this world, so don't worry. And it's just like, what the hell? What is this? I'm just like, what? Like I will be scared by the TikToks. I get. I get people that are just doing insane stuff.

[Courtney Miller]

See, I don't have that anxiety. Like all the things that's either a joke or like that one I sent you today of the old man being like, I convinced it's just an old man with text saying I convinced my best friend to join the army and I'm the one that came back. Sorry, baby.

[Shane Topp]

Like, like a, like an 89 year old man.

[Courtney Miller]

That's the weirdest one. But usually like, I can always trust that it's something in my lane of like politics. Like, like, you know, it's usually very, you know, left and I'm going to.

[Shane Topp]

Mine make zero sense. They are pure chaos. There's not like a. There's no kernel of anything that you can hold on to where it's like, oh, this was the basis of that TikTok. It's like some guy found a phone and filmed himself and didn't realize what he was doing. There was one that was like a guy in a truck. Like, like he was literally like a trucker and it was like clearly like four in the morning. He just like, he's like, sup ladies, it's Tuesday morning. Let them titties hang. I'll talk to you later. It's like, wait, do you know what this app is, man? Like, what are you doing?

[Courtney Miller]

I also love that it's like there is been like separations of like, ugh, you have straight Tick Tock. That's gross. I love Alt TikTok or Queer Tick Tock or Frog Tick Tock.

[Shane Topp]

I ended up on Alt Hood Tick Tock.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Which is two dudes wearing like hello Kitty and they're, you know, and they're.

[Courtney Miller]

Just dancing to like Taming Potter.

[Shane Topp]

It was all. I was like, well, hell yeah. I ended up here, I end up in weird, weird parts of. Of TikTok. And my. See, my favorite is when I find TikToks that have, like under 100 likes and they're just clearly like, a person posted it thinking, like, oh, no one's going to really see this. But I'm like, I saw it.

[Courtney Miller]

I get ones that have zero. Like, sometimes.

[Shane Topp]

Oh, that's the best. See, the whole point. Like, people scroll through and you're just looking for ones that are already viral. No search for gold on TikTok because the. I just showed Courtney one. Before we started this, I found a woman probably in her 70s. She had like a cloud background. She was just dancing to Celine Dion. And I was like, check this out. Like, 50 likes on it. This woman did not realize that other people could see this. That's my favorite. That's my favorite. My absolute favorite are the unironic ones. And actually, you know, you know who else was into that is Brittney Broski. Because when I. When we were. She came on a video forever ago, and we were talking about that, and we were just talking about, like, we were sharing some TikToks back and forth, just like, what are our favorites? And it's people who, like, are dead serious on their TikToks. But it's so funny. Oh, if I find. I found one that was like. And honestly. So I'm like, I'm not laughing. I'm like, this is awesome. I found, like, a teenager. He had, like, some martial arts weapons, and he was just like, you know, he had some epic music in the background. It was him trying to do moves, not doing them well, but he was trying to do some moves. And I'm like, hell, yeah. Hell yeah, dude.

[Courtney Miller]

Get it out there.

[Shane Topp]

And I love all the comments. I love when all the Comments on a TikTok are entirely sarcasm because all the comments underneath it were like, bro, my girlfriend's on this app.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, yeah, bro.

[Shane Topp]

Dude, come on.

[Courtney Miller]

The comment sections on TikTok are sometimes funnier than anything I'll see on Twitter that day.

[Shane Topp]

Oh, the comments are great. The comments are very good, but also pretty cursed as well, because occasionally TikTok serves me something genuinely fucked up. And I'm like, holy shit, that what I just witnessed was awful. I go to the comments to check if other people are being like, this is awful. And it's one of people making jokes. And I'm like, guys, come on, you gotta dial it back sometimes. Sometimes it's not funny. Sometimes there's a need to be concerned oh, my God.

[Courtney Miller]

No. Yeah, I think TikTok, we can get more into it as we go along. We should answer questions.

[Shane Topp]

Sorry. And I know this question's gonna come up. I just want to clarify this very quickly because you were saying vine started it. I disagree. Because to me, TikTok right now, I get the same vibes of TikTok right now that I did from YouTube in 2008.

[Courtney Miller]

Okay. I. I would. I would say that there are so many.

[Shane Topp]

There are so many.

[Courtney Miller]

I mean, that's how smart got famous.

[Shane Topp]

There are so many YouTube videos from 2008 that were less than 30 seconds long that were my favorite YouTube videos. I mean, literally sitting on a toilet.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Would be a viral. And my favorite from back in the day was the Russian teenager who. Or just Russian guy who tries to throw a log and he hits himself and knocks himself out.

[Courtney Miller]

That's good.

[Shane Topp]

That's a. That's a tick tock. That's a viral tick tock.

[Courtney Miller]

Those are absolutely, like. I think vine changed by the format, comedic timing. Because even I, in my opinion, saw Vine. I felt like vine kind of fast forwarded how people, like, took in content and how we, like, processed jobs.

[Shane Topp]

I think they accelerated. I think.

[Courtney Miller]

I think it even changed, like, how movies in cinema were totally.

[Shane Topp]

Totally. Well, it also changed who was famous. A bunch of people who were famous now, that would never have been famous had the. Had vine not existed.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

I mean, that's just the truth. Same with YouTube.

[Courtney Miller]

And it's crazy because, like, there are people, like, our age who never had Vine. They never had it in their phones. It's bizarre.

[Shane Topp]

I almost didn't. If I hadn't joined Smosh, I wouldn't have had it.

[Courtney Miller]

True.

[Shane Topp]

I wasn't. Just to be honest here, I hardly used social media before I joined Smosh. I never used Instagram. I rarely tweeted, which is. I know it's probably crazy to hear. And I didn't have a Vine or anything. I never posted stuff. I never looked at social media. I wasn't that into it.

[Courtney Miller]

Damn.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. So when I got on Smosh, it was like, suddenly I was like, crap. I gotta start learning. Start using all of this. I think there's a vibe to this day. Like, I think people get that I'm. I'm not, like, super. Not that I'm not in touch with it, but that I'm just like, it's not a natural thing for me.

[Courtney Miller]

You don't take it serious.

[Shane Topp]

I think you and Damien have no. I think you and Damian, like, you Can I can tell, like, you guys just get it a little bit better for me. I feel like I come across a lot of times, like I use all social media apps ironically. Like, that's why I'm just purely comedic on all of them because genuinely speaking, I don't use them. I still to this day, I only use all social media as a source of entertainment.

[Courtney Miller]

I wouldn't want it any other way, though, because, like, could you guys imagine Shane being like, today's pretty crazy. Been editing, taking pictures and what's your favorite sandwich? Yeah, like, no, thank you.

[Shane Topp]

Can you imagine a genuine Instagram post from me?

[Courtney Miller]

I feel like I've learned a lot from. From you in that when with my content is like, I think people are more drawn to it. But we've got to get to these questions we tweeted asking you guys for some questions about TikTok and if it was anything related to vine, things like that.

[Shane Topp]

Very cool.

[Courtney Miller]

So first question is from Indie Rain 5, and their question is, when did any of you get TikTok? And since you have. And since have you got addicted also, did you find it weird when people over a certain age are on TikTok? Dude, no. No age. There's no age on TikTok.

[Shane Topp]

There is no age. Mine, Mine is primarily like, I know Gen Z is all over it. They're like the biggest stars on it. But mine, I hardly get served. I get served a lot of old people.

[Courtney Miller]

I get all ages. I get moms, I get.

[Shane Topp]

It's all over the place. I think that's TikTok's strength, is that it's truly all over the place. Vine became vine towards the end, and I was only on it towards the end. So I can only judge vine for like, the later half of it. By the time I joined vine vine, you were guaranteed every time to get a Logan Paul Vine, a Jake Paul Vine, a, you know. Yeah, well, they were Lele Pons Vines. And that's the thing is like. But it was. That was this. That was what vine was. That became the type of humor on vine. And occasionally you get a Drew Gooden or Danny Gonzalez and it would be. That would be great. But TikTok is so different. Every time I open it up, I see. I constantly see comedians I've never seen before who are the funniest people on the planet. Every time. Every time, I'm guaranteed to see a person I've never seen before who's hilarious.

[Courtney Miller]

I used to think, like, weird, crazy people like that were much more of a rarity. But they are not. Like, it's so cool to see everyone just getting weird. Especially I feel like quarantine has made people so much more insane that the comedy has just ramped up in general.

[Shane Topp]

Because I would go so far to say that I think Gen Z is the funniest generation. Just watching them, they're just so funny and silly. They're just silly. I think millennials, when we were teenagers, our sense of humor was a lot more, like, mean and edgy. A lot of times, you know, it's a lot more making fun of people. Whereas I think a lot of this Gen Z stuff I see on TikTok is so just weird. It's just weird. And I love that. I love that. It's just ridiculous. It's never really. Some of them aren't even jokes. Like, I'm like, I don't even know what they're making a joke about. That was just weird. But I will also say on TikTok and in general, I think there are more hilarious people than I ever thought.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, exactly.

[Shane Topp]

It's crazy to see how many funny people.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. Because on vine, it was like, monopolized. They made sure I've had certain TikTok or a certain. Whoa. Certain Viners did that. When we actually did that first TikTok reaction video on Pit, which was like, branded, by the way. I didn't have it in my phone at that point. Yeah, I actually had seen one or two of the tiktoks, but it was because of Twitter, because people were serving them to Twitter so quickly. But I think finally, like, a few months after that, I finally, like, downloaded it.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, you got it for you. And Damien had TikTok way before me, and you guys were.

[Courtney Miller]

We were always you. That was so funny because in the office, you didn't have TikTok, so me and Damian would, like, fight for time with you to just show you, like, videos that we found.

[Shane Topp]

And I just was really against it. I just didn't. I never had it. So I was just judging it based on nothing. I was just like, I'm not gonna get it. I don't want it. Because I also viewed it as another obligation. Like, if I get another social media app, that's another thing that I gotta. I'll feel like I gotta do. Which, look, I haven't posted a tick tock in a couple months, and I'm definitely feeling like, oh, God, I gotta. I gotta post something.

[Courtney Miller]

Well, that was crazy. Like, my third. My first two TikToks were just reposts of Vines Because I was like, fuck it. I don't know. And then I took some old random video I decided to make and re edited it and changed the joke entirely just with text. And that was. That blew up that. That's at like 2.9 million plays now. And that. That I was like, whoa, okay. And I'm pretty sure that I, like, started a trend because it's like, so hard to tell. Like, even someone will create a dance on TikTok like today, and they'll go viral, and then they won't realize till a week later because they just didn't get credit and never saw it on their for you page. Yeah. So it happens a lot. But your. Your tik. Once you started really getting into it, your stuff was popping off.

[Shane Topp]

By the time this pod comes out, I'm gonna try to have had a couple. And my goal is to make, you know, I need to achieve what I'm seeing on my for your page, and I need to make truly, truly weird. I need to make stuff that when it shows up on someone's for your page, they question what they did to just.

[Courtney Miller]

You heard it here first, guys.

[Shane Topp]

She's gonna do it. I want people to be like, what the hell did I just watch?

[Ian Hecox]

So by the time this comes out, have you already done it then? Is that what you're saying?

[Shane Topp]

Yes, I'm saying. So we're recording this pod. This has been a couple weeks ago. By the time this out, by the time that you are listening to this, you can go to my TikTok and I will have posted some weird. At least two or three. Just some weird shit. And to be fair, my. The TikToks that I have posted by this point are all weird as shit. I'm gonna try to make them even weirder. I'm just gonna go for it.

[Courtney Miller]

Please do.

[Shane Topp]

Like, I'm gonna lose, like, to the point where I almost need to just, like, give it a different name and become a different person on it.

[Courtney Miller]

Dude, that's what's so funny. There's. There's TikTokers that, like, their profile will get huge, and then they'll just jump ship and start a new one. How do you guys keep finding me?

[Shane Topp]

Oh, my gosh.

[Courtney Miller]

PlayStation Home Screen One or something?

[Shane Topp]

One. So he's all over the place. He originally had a Twitter called I look like Lil Bill. He is one of my favorite comedians, and he just. Every time one of his accounts gets popular, he deletes it and makes another account and he keeps around. He is one of the funniest people on the planet. Damien got a cameo of him. Got his cameo once for me.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, yeah. Was that for graduation or.

[Shane Topp]

That was before. That was just as a random gift. He just got. He got him to just tell me to get in and out and he just went for it.

[Courtney Miller]

That's so funny.

[Shane Topp]

But, yeah, I need to get on that. That guy's level. I'll never be able to achieve his level. Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Sometimes, like, it is kind of a blow to the ego for me sometimes because, like, I feel like I'm a little more confident in other social media. So when I, like, actually am trying, it's like a weird fine line of, like, I do want to do the trends, but also I want to be weird, but I'm like, not. I'm like, not quite weird enough, but also not quite, like, into mainstream trends enough. So I'm like, I usually don't. Stuff doesn't do well and I'm just.

[Shane Topp]

Like, ah, it's tough depending on your sense. I mean, I think it works for me because I am. That's my sense of humor. I love being just weird and chaotic. And honestly, when I started posting was after I talked to Brittany Broski and I was just like, yeah, I don't know. And she's just like, dude, she's like, film. Like, if you don't think that I've filmed TikToks while I'm on the toilet, then you're wrong. Like, you need to just. She's like, you need to have the mindset that it does not matter. Just do not give a shit. And I was like, all right, I'm gonna do it. And then honestly, the ones where I put the least thought into.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

And I'm doing one. I'm like, do one take and if you fuck up, just keep going. Like, just. Just let it be ridiculous.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And for. If anyone wants to know, Britney Broski in person, just the best.

[Shane Topp]

She's probably the coolest person. She is such a good hang. Yeah, I wish.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, my God, I want her more content. As soon as people are able to collab again.

[Shane Topp]

How she appears on TikTok is what she's like because we've hung out with her for a good amount of time.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

And she's just like that. She laughs at everything. She's so fun. Just. It's awesome.

[Courtney Miller]

Just because, you know, sometimes you meet creators that, like, you could tell they don't want to be there. Like, they're just there for ABC for sure.

[Shane Topp]

But she was. She was awesome. And honestly, her Tick Tocks. It's just her often just laughing at herself or just laughing at a comment or whatever. She's just having a good time.

[Courtney Miller]

So did you ever get addicted to Tick Tock or have you had your moments?

[Shane Topp]

I'm not the type that, like, throughout a day that I'm like, I need to look at Tick Tock. The only time I end up looking at Tick Tock is like, before, before bed. And it'll often be why I don't go to bed until 1. As, like, I get in bed at 11.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

And I fall asleep at 1 because I pull up TikTok. I had a phase, though, back in, like, what was it? Was it. I think it was in May that I was posting the most Tick Tocks and it was in springtime. And I. I did get into posting a lot of TikToks. I was just like, being weird. And then, you know what I can say exactly what happened? I. This is why I stopped making TikToks was because all the protests and everything began and I felt weird being silly. I just felt like it was inappropriate to be silly for a bit. It absolutely was. So I kind of removed myself from it for a bit. And, you know, now it's getting to a phase where I still feel that, but I'm like, you know, there's so many people who are being outspoken and, you know, I'm trying to. I try to be outspoken when I can. I also know that I'm like, hey, like in 2020, we're all so bummed out all the time. I'm like, if I can make someone laugh, like, that's helping in some sort of way. And so I'm going to try to come back to that and just bring that chaos, that good chaos to all the bad chaos of 2020.

[Courtney Miller]

I think the people who know, you know, like, that you care about what's going on.

[Shane Topp]

I totally do. And it is weird. It is weird. That's. This is kind of a side tangent really quick. But that's been the trippiest thing about 2020 is that, you know, my platforms, I don't view them as being me personally. I don't view Twitter or. I mean, I do. They are me, but they're the aspect of me that is super silly, trying to just make jokes and laugh. That is where my social media comes from. All the other. The serious. A lot of the serious parts of me, I don't want to put on them because I'm like, that's personal to me and that's private. To a certain extent, you know, just to occasions like this, on this podcast, I'm down to talk about it, but my Twitter is so built upon my dumbness that I'm like, that's. That's what it is. So for me to go from making jokes about bananas to talking about something serious often feels really weird for me.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, it almost, like, looks unhealthy in a way, to bounce back and forth.

[Shane Topp]

Like Team Pongie, you know, and they are kind of a respite for me as well. Like, they are an escape for me where I go there to be silly and to kind of take my eyes off the world a little bit. You know, I try not to get my news off of social media.

[Courtney Miller]

Try not to get my nudes off there either.

[Shane Topp]

I gotta get my nudes off of Twitter. But, you know, I don't get my news off of there, and I try not to, you know, and I. Also, a tough thing that I've been struggling with, honestly, is, you know, people ask for us to use our platforms for good. I try to do that. I do genuinely think I'm not that smart. Like, there's so many people who are smarter than me. So when I'm like, I'm using this, I'm like, yeah, yeah, but do I believe? Do I believe? Do I believe people should be listening to me? Not necessarily. So I do try to retweet or whatever when I can, but even then I'm like, you know, it's just tricky. And what I'm most comfortable with is just being a silly idiot. That's what I do best, and that's what I would like to use them for.

[Courtney Miller]

Absolutely. And that I think is very valid. Like, Instagram used to be, like, my platform. I was posting almost every day. Engagement was awesome. And, like, I completely halted when all the protests and everything started happening.

[Shane Topp]

I really dedicated your Instagram to it.

[Courtney Miller]

I even felt weird posting that we protested because there's just this.

[Shane Topp]

It's an element of, like, this was for me. I did this for me.

[Courtney Miller]

I'm trying to prove myself when that's not it. Like, it's. It's one like, hey, guess what? I believe in this. And if you like me, you should trust that what I'm believing in is the right thing. And, like, I. I honestly wish I have posted more on my direct infeed, like, my stories and a lot of you seen. I'm losing 6,000 followers a week sometimes because I'm posting so much, like, not political stuff, but like. Like, helpful information on how to like how to be anti racist or how to be feminist, like all these things. I'm literally, I'm still gaining more than I'm losing, but I'm losing a lot because it's tough.

[Shane Topp]

I mean that's, that's a, that's a thing that I think, you know, that's, it's not a struggle, but it's just an aspect that I don't think fans realize sometimes is like, you know, you risk losing your platform and so then you don't have a platform to use for good. But I think you're doing the right thing. I mean, I think it's, I think it's the right thing 100%.

[Courtney Miller]

It still feels wrong. Like even yesterday, like the fact that it was, well, there was some. But like I still try and post at least something that's like, at least helpful to mental health or something nowadays because it's like I think this summer has made it all like made me realize like I've always known that having, having clout or having a following is, is a responsibility. As Zendaya so lovingly put it on, on, on a talk show. I can't remember which one. But this was the year where it's like, okay everybody, you have work influence. It's time to use it. It is time to really use it. Not just for your own self gain, not to help you get brand deals, but like you have people listening to you. It's time to use it. Right? But like it still even feels weird like the fact that I posted a selfie with a thermometer in my mouth, which a lot of people thought was a pregnancy test by the way. Pregnancy test in my mouth. It's a thermometer. I felt so icky. I felt icky. Not because it was a PP pregnancy test in my mouth, but it was because it was a thirst trappy selfie of me. And like I just like, I have to also accept like this is my platform and it is about me because it's mine.

[Shane Topp]

And I should, I should also clarify, like Smosh does not own our personal accounts at all. So like that is very much like it is for me personally. So like that is, that is entirely my own, our own thing. But yeah, you're allowed to. And I think that with anyone's social is, I'm like, you are allowed to do whatever you want with it.

[Courtney Miller]

And it's also hard to get pictures taken of me when we're quarantining because I'm not around, around people.

[Shane Topp]

You're allowed to post whatever you want. Like, people follow you because they chose to follow you. You're posting it because that's what you want to post. Like, it's entirely a freedom there. I, I don't, I don't judge anyone for what they post on social media if it's not hurting anyone. Like, you're allowed to post a thirst trap. You're allowed to. And also, you know what? Like, you're allowed to feel good about yourself.

[Courtney Miller]

Absolutely.

[Shane Topp]

I think, I think it's crappy that so many people like, shame it. You know, I think it's, there's some, there's probably roots in there of sexist stuff.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh yeah. Tick Tock is very good at shedding light on all of that too, for sure.

[Shane Topp]

And I will say that like Gen Z is very outspoken and very woke and also just a lot of information is getting out there that I think is really good mixed in with the conspiracies that are bad.

[Courtney Miller]

I will say, like, I got very, very addicted during this quarantine where I was like, I was on TikTok sometimes four hours in a day because I obviously, like, with so much going on, you just kind of get overwhelmed. You don't know what to do. Something that's going to help you feel better, but that doesn't feel productive and then you're like, well, what's productive that I can do? And then there's all these things and you get overwhelmed and then you just sit on your phone and that's your day. Yeah. So. And then like I said with it, so much information coming at you so fast, like, I really recommend you pace yourself, check out a few, get off, wait a few hours, get back on, check out a few, like refresh yourself. Like, because honestly, I also wonder if, like a TikTok might be funnier if I hadn't watched a protest TikTok right before it.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

You know, like, it's very, that's very interesting.

[Shane Topp]

That is the tough thing with TikTok is there are times where I wish I could be like, hey, I want, I'm getting on because I want to see something funny.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Because I just watched because I just saw a bunch of fucked up crap on Twitter. And so now I'm going to TikTok to laugh a little bit.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, I don't want to see a Karen winning. Like, no.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, I think that's, you know, I was talking to my therapist this week about how social media is designed to pressure you into wanting to keep going and to move faster and to keep your Attention, Absolutely. And it shortens your attention span because you're constantly just getting this constant feed, and that. That affects your reward complex in your brain of constantly getting rewarded, like, I'm going to scroll and, oh, getting a burst of something. And scroll, get a burst of something. And you get addicted to that. And it makes getting off of it so much harder because that's, I think, to a certain extent, I mean, this is an unproven. This is just my thought, but I think to a certain extent, we're all developing a. It isn't. But it's like, it feels like adhd because society is pressuring. We are conditioning ourselves. You know, brain is a muscle to a certain extent. And if you train yourself to constantly need a feed of constant change, rapid stimulation, you're gonna be addicted to that. So I was talking to my therapist about how I really need to train myself to slow down. And, you know, it's surprisingly, in quarantine, the idea of doing things like meditation has never been harder. Despite the fact that I definitely have time. I definitely have 10 minutes every day to sit down, turn off everything, and just be quiet and just breathe. Focus on my breathing for 10 minutes is so hard because my brain is so uncomfortable with it.

[Courtney Miller]

I can't tell how many times, like, how many times I've been on my phone all day and I've been overwhelmed with everything going on that when I try to put my phone down and I'm just like, in my living room, my brain has like a million voices going off at once. Just like all the videos that I watch that day, all the sounds, the music, like, it is like I have overstimulated my brain to the point where it's just tweaking out and like.

[Shane Topp]

And that won't get better unless you actively train it to slow down.

[Courtney Miller]

And that's made, like, reading books harder and stuff.

[Shane Topp]

Oh, yeah, no, I read a book for at least an hour last night for the first time in like a month or two because it's gotten so much harder. And it takes actively choosing to slow down and to take your mind off those things and to sit. And my therapist was like, you know, sometimes it is important to just kind of sit and just like lean into the uncomfortableness of nothing in front of you because it's. It's distraction. It's not entertainment. Sometimes it's distraction. And that's. That's not healthy. That's not self care. Because after you get off of it, you don't feel good. You're like, oh, I just Zoned out for a bit now. I don't know where my thoughts are. You know, self care isn't always easy. It's not easy sometimes to sit and meditate for the work in or to stretch for 25 minutes or whatever. Things that will make you feel better. I think self care is often. We think self care is like, oh, I'm gonna do this because I like doing this thing. It's like, no. Self care is doing a thing that will make you better in the long run.

[Courtney Miller]

All right, let's see what else we have here. Tia and Blossom. The question is, how many. How many takes did you have to do for Shane to successfully run around the entire office, then dance to the Chinese New year? All under 30 seconds. That. See you at the movies.

[Shane Topp]

Yes. I think it took three takes.

[Courtney Miller]

It took three takes. It was. Our social media person. Rachel was coming in, and she was still kind of learning the ropes on filming.

[Shane Topp]

Shout out to Rachel, though. She is awesome.

[Courtney Miller]

Do, like, our social media game is.

[Shane Topp]

Another level now, because Rachel's very good. She's a cool person. She used to be on a channel.

[Courtney Miller]

She was a YouTuber. She's been on reality TV. Like, she.

[Shane Topp]

She's just a badass. Just a badass person. Very funny, very blunt, honest person.

[Courtney Miller]

She fits. She fit in with everybody.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, she's just really cool. I'm a big fan. She's behind a lot of social posts.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. It only took three times.

[Shane Topp]

I mean, three times I ran around the entire studio.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, yeah. I'm not saying it was easy any means.

[Shane Topp]

By the way, there was no shortcut in that. I had to run very far.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, you said I had to sprint through that hallway.

[Shane Topp]

I ran through a lot. And I also had to dodge some people who perfectly. Like, it was a. They needed to work, but no, no, no, no. Perfectly like a cartoon. People were unloading, like, giant trays of, like, glass bottles. I'm not kidding. A woman walked by. She was holding a giant case of glass bottles, and I had to, like, jump out of the way of her.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, my God.

[Shane Topp]

I was like, is there someone holding a giant cake? Like an eggs. A bunch of stacks of eggs? It was like that. It was ridiculous, but I made it and we did it and it was good.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, that's fun.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. Yeah, We've had some good stuff. We haven't. It's been tough in quarantine because we don't ever have Rachel with us. So often she'll text me, being like, hey, can you do a post where you do this? And I'll be like, yes, I can do that.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And sometimes it sucks. Cause have good ideas. Like, I have a couple, like, half drafts waiting to go on the Smosh TikTok, but I just, like, haven't gotten around to finishing them. But, like, if you guys haven't seen the Smosh TikTok yet, like, there's obviously, like, clipped things that are, like, cool bits from our actual sketches and stuff, but also, like, we have some very silly stuff in there, like the. The dolce vita. Us in those giant robes. No, we have fun and stuff. It's so fun. Like, go check it out.

[Shane Topp]

We have fun. And I'm also gonna try to post more weird stuff on the Smosh TikTok as well as my own.

[Courtney Miller]

Yes. All right, next question. Just because, you know, why not? So this one's from last time I die.

[Shane Topp]

Great.

[Courtney Miller]

Do you feel like TikTok is hurting or helping their younger audience with the content found on there? For example, TikTok promotes the idea that you are hot enough and shake what your mama gave you, and you will be popular. Oh, that's an interesting outlook. You mean be confident in who you are and embrace.

[Shane Topp]

Well, I think there's. I think there's two ways to see that. Right? So for one, I think obviously people should feel confident in who they are in their body. And I think everyone should feel okay to put their face out there and feel good about themselves and feel beautiful. What I think maybe they're also talking about is that it does. It is true that on. Every time I social media app comes out, a majority of the people who become most popular on it are often very attractive people. And I think that is probably. That does suck. That does suck. That. That. That often happens.

[Courtney Miller]

I mean, granted, like, the top Tiktokers right now are under. They're like kids.

[Shane Topp]

I'm thinking back on vine and, like, you know.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. I mean, comedy. The thing with that is it was comedy mixed with. With people also being attractive. And then there were, like, the people who definitely. I mean, the unfortunate thing with vine was it was very toxic in using female, like, women as props in videos. Like, extremely toxic. And those were some of the most successful and very racist accounts. I get. I get the. I get the. What they were trying to say, maybe. I think, like, where it's like, oh, if you're just sexy, you get clout and you can get popular. But, like, when you look at, like, Charli D'Amelio, like, she's a kid and she's dancing, and, like, there's honestly like a part where it's like once you just become the top person, you are just getting followed because you're the top person. That happened to Marcus Johns, that happened to King Bach, Nash Greer, like back in the vine days. I will say like a lot of my for you page is sometimes just the most gorgeous, voluptuous women. And like I don't have a problem with it. Like I don't think there's also like you don't need to see social media as a competition. Like especially when it's something as gigantic as TikTok.

[Shane Topp]

I get how it can feel that way though.

[Ian Hecox]

One part of their main question too was they they used the that bit about being hot and shake what your mama gave you as an example. But I think their main question was do you feel like TikTok is hurting or helping their younger audience with the content on TikTok?

[Shane Topp]

Because why I say that aspect is that I do think social media really does at the same time that we're saying, hey, you should feel confident in yourself. Social media often does everything it can, not necessarily intentionally, but really destroys people's self confidence because you get on, you see so many. I mean this is what's also inevitably happening is when you get on social media you're getting so much stuff so you're inevitably going to see probably every time you scroll you're going to see an incredibly attractive person. You're also going to see an incredibly like physically in shape person. You're going to see the best chef in the world. You're going to see so many things and you're going to be going, oh my God, all these people are better than me and it can really hurt you. And one of the courses that I studied in psychology was and this was so new for them but talking about how there's now new diagnosis that come entirely from social media and Facebook and everything. And it's called there is a type of depression that there where people because they only post the best of themselves on social media now people feel depressed because they're like I'm not doing all these incredible things that everyone is doing. But it's like no, people are only posting what's best. However, what I will say about Tick tock is I feel like people are posting so much more like looking gross than at least on my for you page. My for you page. I'm getting so many dude men and women. I have never seen so many women making fart jokes and poop jokes than I have on TikTok and I love that. I love that. Because it also is just like, hey, like, you can still be super feminine and be farting. Like that's allowed.

[Courtney Miller]

I think it's like there's a lot of just like normal, normalizing, different behavior and like, how there's not one perfect way of being. I will say, like, the theory that I've had for a long time with social media, especially when, like vine became so big and Instagram, it's like peaking in high school isn't a thing anymore. Like, because even if you would have been the type to peak in high school because, like, you amounted yourself to be to how you looked and you and whatever, you know, like the popular kids that, like, they peaked in high school, that isn't necessarily a thing anymore because on social media you can continue to be a hot, attractive, popular kid. So I do, I do get that aspect. But then, yeah, there are also really cool sides of TikTok, I think, which is like, why I kind of disagreed with that question was because a lot of the videos I get served is like this girl being like, why are you guys telling me to rub olive oil on my titties to keep perky it. I want them to sag. I want saggy titties. And that has like hundreds of thousands of likes. So it's just normalizing. Like, what is attractive? Like, I've TikTok is the first time, like, on Vine, I couldn't do it. Like, I'm just posting videos, not wearing makeup, and I'm like, I don't care. Like, it's very rare when I'm actually wearing makeup in a TikTok and I don't feel weird about it or insecure because I'm always getting so videos of girls not wearing makeup in a baggy T shirt in their bed, like, with their cat sleeping next to them. Because it's like, I think that's what's really great about TikTok is that it's not all shiny and perfect like Instagram kind of bread.

[Shane Topp]

Cause I'm curious to the person who asked that question. TikTok really does change depending on what you're looking at. Because on my for you page, I rarely get attractive women. Like I said, I get weird, weird TikToks. My TikToks are never. The ones I get served are never sexy.

[Courtney Miller]

And also our definitions of what an attractive woman on our feed can very.

[Shane Topp]

Different, but entirely different, but very alt women on our feed. But also, I'll say this, like, when it comes to social media, it's all Just an accumulation of things. Right. So you're not seeing, like, it's not that TikTok being necessarily unfairly biased towards a certain. Certain types of people. The world is often unfairly biased towards certain types of people.

[Courtney Miller]

It's not fair, I guess, for young viewers who are getting on social media. Something that I had to do at the end of last year was like, I went into my Instagram and I literally unfollowed like 300 accounts because I realized that my feed wasn't things that make me happy. It was things that I felt like I needed to follow or was obligated to follow. Yeah. I think there's an aspect of kids or like, young viewers feeling like they need to follow what's popular and do what's popular where, like, if you are surrounding yourself like what you're saying, if you surround yourself with things that you just enjoy, not what your friends are saying is cool, like things that make you happy, not so much insecure, like, you can have a generally better experience on. On social media, not just TikTok.

[Shane Topp]

And before we move on, I just would like to say that the numbers make it feel so much like this is the case. Trust me, I'm working in it. I definitely know you don't need social media to be worthy or to be beautiful. No matter how many likes you get on something does not determine your worth or your beauty. It's such a just chaotic mess. It does not determine who you are. Don't let it, you know, like, know that. Know that if you post something and. And it doesn't get a. Like, that doesn't mean anything. You know, it does not determine your worth. You are worthy and beautiful without having any social media. You don't need it. And just because your follower count and the amount of likes you get, but does not say anything about it, so. But. But I understand that it's tough. It's tough.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. Especially right now when everyone has been like, just home and social media was kind of everyone's life for a while. Like, that's why, you know, people were able to go out and protest because it was like, we're ready to go. We're here. We have nothing else to do. And then that's why, you know, people were getting canceled, like, left and right on Twitter and stuff like that. Because people are home and absorbing content.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. It's. It's become our world right now.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Which is fun, but also probably pretty bad. You know, it's our whole world, but it's not a reflection of who you Are absolutely.

[Courtney Miller]

That was very well said, Shane.

[Shane Topp]

Keeping that in the face. If I took TikTok as a reflection of the whole world, man, that'd be it. That's a cursed world. That is a cursed world.

[Courtney Miller]

I just remember the phase of TikTok when it was like early quarantine and people were just like, I just decided to walk around the neighborhood at 3:00am and just, like, have videos of them dancing in the middle of an intersection that's empty. Like, it changes constantly. Okay, this one's interesting. Ustjordan says, is there any trends you can't get behind? Thoughts on TikTok dances? I know the wap dance. I know it. I'm not flexible to execute it at this time, but I can do it.

[Shane Topp]

Not at this time. Am I capable of the wap dance, Ed?

[Courtney Miller]

Does it look cute?

[Shane Topp]

But I'm going to train. I'm entering the dojo.

[Courtney Miller]

It's just like, if ever, if somebody came in this room with a gun right now or something.

[Shane Topp]

Welcome to the wap dojo.

[Courtney Miller]

If someone walked in this room and was like, do the wap dance now. I would be like, okay, it's not gonna be good, but I got you and I will do it.

[Shane Topp]

They'd be like, that's fine. It doesn't need to be good. I'm a polite, horrible person.

[Courtney Miller]

You should just honor. You should ironically do TikTok dances.

[Shane Topp]

I think, oh, see, I'm gonna probably. I'd have to dress up as a character that just.

[Courtney Miller]

The renegade.

[Shane Topp]

I don't get served a lot of trends. I am not on mainstream TikTok. My for you page is, yeah, same. So cursed that I don't get it. I will get served trends. If it's someone making fun of a trend really hard. The ones I get a lot are like, acting challenge. And it's just. It's never. I've never gotten a genuine acting challenge where someone duets it and, like, does the act, does the scene. I only get just like. So I think there was the acting challenge where it was a woman. It was. She was doing, like, this crying, intense breakup scene, and there was just a stuffed monkey on the other side. So it was just like, acting challenge. You are the blue line. She's like, how could you do this to me? And the response is, ooh, monkey, monkey, ooh. This is my for you page, guys. Like, I don't know what's going on. It's just weird.

[Courtney Miller]

TikTok is so big. Like, I'll be like, I'll very confidently quote a TikTok to a whole room of people and no one will know what I'm talking about. And I'm like shit, I have gotten served.

[Shane Topp]

I think I got served a trend from. But it was in Japan and it was all in Japanese. My favorite, my absolute favorite is when I end up on a different language in TikTok. If I'm like this is clearly in Russian. I'm just like hell yeah. Like I have made it. I have breached.

[Courtney Miller]

I will say like I. I don't get TikTok dance trends at all unless like an alt person has. Has made up a really cool dance. Like this one girl, she's like wearing a motorcycle helmet and she does the dopest dance and then it went viral and she had no clue and no one gave her credit because it goes off and goes and then an Addison Rae does it and then she has all the credit. I'm not not Addison Rae but I literally have to seek out her profile to ever see anything by her or someone duetting her like making fun of her doing something silly.

[Shane Topp]

I. I never get served the popular people. No I have never had and granted I'm they're a bunch of teenagers. I don't really.

[Courtney Miller]

I used to. True. I used to get like earlier on I used to get like a lot of the cosplay tiktoks and then like the mob boss. Remember the mob boss tiktoks anyone? Anyone? I don't get that stuff so bad. I used to hate watch that stuff.

[Shane Topp]

I do not get served like men.

[Courtney Miller]

Acting like they're possessed and it's like supposed to be sexy.

[Shane Topp]

I don't get served any of the popular stuff man. None of that.

[Courtney Miller]

Possessing a body doesn't turn me on. I don't want it.

[Shane Topp]

I'm. See I can't comment on the actual parts of TikTok that everyone can relate to because my for you page is like the sewers. TikTok is New York City and for me my TikTok is the underground. You should the dirty underworld of for.

[Courtney Miller]

You should screen record like a day on your for your page just to show what it's like.

[Shane Topp]

There was that one tik. There was a TikTok that I related to so well where it's like other persons for your page. Oh dancing. Have you seen this my for you page and it's this big middle aged man dressed painted pink dressed as Jigglypuff just going jiggly jiggly puff puff. It's just like yep, that's my TikTok.

[Courtney Miller]

Can you believe the TikTok drama right now? And it's like just a frog smoking a cigarette.

[Shane Topp]

Mine is never gonna be. I'm kind of blissfully in this chaotic hell world.

[Courtney Miller]

I prefer it, man.

[Shane Topp]

That's where I'm at. I'm. I'm. It's. It's Alice in Wonderland. But make it even worse. Like, if the caterpillar from Alice in Wonderland ended up where in my TikTok for you page. He'd be like, what the fuck is this place? Get me out. This is a nightmare. The Mad Hatter would be like, I gotta go. The Cheshire Cat would not be able to hang.

[Courtney Miller]

I'm not trying to say I'm not like other girls. It's just like. It's one of those things where it's like when you know that there's something extremely popular and that everyone wants to do it, it's just like, I feel extremely put off by it.

[Shane Topp]

Like, I'm usually too late to it. By the time I find a trend, it's already boring.

[Courtney Miller]

There's that. Maybe it also is intimidating because it's like, well, I don't have a trend. Nobody follows my trends. But I also. I chalk it up back to high school because I remember this one dude, and he's actually a really great guy. Like, he's an awesome person. But it was like this reputation kind of happened where, like, he was the funny kid. All of the people in my grade just followed him around like a puppy dog and just quoted him and wanted to be his best friend. And it was the point where I was like, this is uncomfortable. Like, I like the guy too, but I just had to take a step back because it was just. It was just so weird.

[Shane Topp]

I just like that you had a guy at your high school that everyone just wanted to, like, quote.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Hey, Mark, that thing you said the other day, Pretty funny.

[Courtney Miller]

We didn't have vine yet, so honestly, that was the closest thing. Like, he's a great dude. He. He released a book. He was. He's very talented. Like, basketball player.

[Shane Topp]

People just loved hearing.

[Courtney Miller]

But he was just like. He would just. He would. He was the class clown. He would just, like. He would act dumb. Like, he was always doing a bit and people be. Jd, what do you have to say about this thing? Jd what do you think? Maybe I shouldn't say his name. But it's okay. It's. I think he would understand what I'm talking about. I don't mind it.

[Shane Topp]

Can't believe he went to school with J.D. salinger. It would make sense that he wrote a book.

[Courtney Miller]

But yeah, like, it was those moments where I was just like, this is weird. I don't like, I don't like what these people are doing. Like, they aren't. They don't have their own personality because they are just dedicating all their energy to following around another person.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

And so I guess that's kind of where I learned, like, I don't want to follow every trend.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, I think that's fair. I think doing a trend. Look, I mean, look, at the end of the day, Tik Tok, it's entirely for fun. Remember that you could delete the app and your life could probably go on as normal. If you're on, it's because you want it to make you happy and have fun with it. Have fun with it and post. Look, for my sake, post just some chaotic crap. Post something that makes zero sense.

[Courtney Miller]

Just scream as loud as you can.

[Shane Topp]

There is. I'll be honest here. There is nothing more liberating than doing something so weird that everyone's confused. It's great.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

There's a freedom that you can tell Brittany Broski has in just not caring and just posting weird stuff. And honestly, if it does bad, it's almost more freeing because just like, yeah, man, I did that entirely for me and everyone. Like, look, every tweet that I post, all the comments are just like, what? Just confused. I'm like, yeah, exactly.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And at least like, yeah, I'm not even gonna get into it. But yeah, cool.

[Shane Topp]

So wait.

[Courtney Miller]

Whatever you want.

[Shane Topp]

Hold on. I have a. I have a question to end this out. What do you think has been like the funniest app of all time and we can count YouTube. Throw YouTube in there. Well, overall, what do you think has brought like just the best comedy?

[Courtney Miller]

Honestly.

[Shane Topp]

Actually, you know What? Let's remove YouTube. YouTube's is such a separate entity.

[Courtney Miller]

I feel so, like, I feel like I've spent more hours on TikTok in the last year than I ever did on YouTube. Honestly. Like, I. They're honestly probably pretty close. I. I have to chalk it up to TikTok.

[Shane Topp]

Dang.

[Courtney Miller]

Because it's. It's got comedy for every type of person. And like a trend will warp and have. It'll turn into three different trends for three different worlds. Like, and I'm always laughing at something and also finding something that I want to send you.

[Shane Topp]

And like, I definitely would say TikTok's better than Vine.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. At this point, I can't lie. I will say vine never Monetized. And they never farmed your data. They never did any of that. It was because they just didn't want too.

[Shane Topp]

Vine got screwed over because it just became the same 20 people.

[Courtney Miller]

And like, I'm not knocking for Revine.

[Shane Topp]

I'm not knocking those people, but some of them. But to. But to get on and just to see the same comedians. Every time I got bored, I'm like, I love seeing. I love. My favorite thing on TikTok is finding these people who have, like, no followers, who are just somewhere. They're living off, somewhere random. They're not even entertainers. They're just doing this for fun. They're my favorite.

[Courtney Miller]

I follow people on TikTok, but. But I don't go to the following tab and scroll through following. And I think TikTok realized that the for you page is such a strong entity that they now they just serve what you follow into the for you page as well. But, like, yeah, you can't beat the for you page because on vine there was the editor's picks, and that was what you were served at first. But it was like, it's not always the best stuff. And then there was like the comedy page, which was always just spammed with Revine for Revine, like TikTok or Vine comedians. Because so the for you, Paige, it's the most genius thing I've ever seen in any kind of tech.

[Shane Topp]

I gotta say, I still think the most successful and to me still is the overall funniest is Twitter. If you think my. My TikTok for you page is. Is cursed. My Twitter page is. People think my tweets are weird. I'm inspired by even weirder.

[Courtney Miller]

Go through his likes, guys.

[Shane Topp]

My likes are crazy.

[Courtney Miller]

I used to, when my Twitter was boring, when my feed was like, not funny, I would just go to his likes sometimes and be like, oh, yeah.

[Shane Topp]

I follow some insane accounts on Twitter.

[Courtney Miller]

And people post TikToks and stuff to Twitter. And yeah, TikTok also, what was so genius that they did was just like, yeah, fuck it, save our stuff. Save the video and put it in your camera roll and send it wherever you want. And they have their watermark on it. Like, it's so. It's so smart. Instagram has stolen something from every social media app. App.

[Shane Topp]

And like I said, TikTok steals from Twitter a lot of times.

[Courtney Miller]

True. Well, that's the creators. Yeah, that is the creators.

[Shane Topp]

You're right.

[Courtney Miller]

I'm saying Instagram, in their coding, they stole video from vine and it was shitty when it first Came out. Couldn't even chalk up to the seamlessness of the Of Vines coding. Then they did Instagram stories. Stealing from Snapchat. I don't use Snapchat anymore because of it. Then they stole. Now they have reels.

[Shane Topp]

Mark Zuckerberg.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And then even like, Facebook has a dating app now. Like, Facebook, Instagram. Like, it's. It's insane what they just steal and like, they, they're trying. I remember hearing that Facebook wanted to be the only social media app. Like, that was the ambition. Yeah, I think that's insane. I know.

[Shane Topp]

It's definitely. Facebook is trying to take over the world. My final thought is that my for you page is cursed hell world.

[Courtney Miller]

I think. I think the fans want you to screen record your for your page.

[Shane Topp]

I'm terrified to do that.

[Courtney Miller]

Just do it.

[Shane Topp]

I think they would. I would be judged. But what I will promise is that I'm going to post, there'll be some TikToks and they're going to be weird. I'm going to make them as weird as humanly possible. I'm going to try to keep getting weirder.

[Courtney Miller]

And I will say, like, I. I have this issue lately. I get insecure on Tick tock. I'm not going to lie. I'm like, kind of. I may even contradicting a lot of what I'm saying because my things don't get the likes that I maybe want. Or if, like, I'm like, oh, I'm not as funny as the people I'm seeing in my feedback, I delete them. So I'm gonna tell myself right now, I'm just gonna go for it and not worry about it.

[Shane Topp]

I'm gonna try to get zero. My goal is to get zero likes. My goal is to post something so cursed that people actively try to look away. Good. I'll post such a weird joke that people are gonna be scared. They're gonna be like, I fear that by looking at this joke that I'm cursed, that an ancient demon is after me because I looked at this joke.

[Courtney Miller]

All right, you ready for this shirt, dude? Mark my words.

[Shane Topp]

Yes. Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude.

[Courtney Miller]

Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude.

[Shane Topp]

Shoot, dude.

[Courtney Miller]

Shoot. Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude. Shoot. Shoot, dude.

[Shane Topp]

Shoot, dude. Shit, man.

[Courtney Miller]

So if you don't know what shit man is, shoot dude is it. First of all, the term came from just randomly Ian's mouth on the first episode of the podcast. But it's turned into a shoot dude moment. Is a moment that has happened to you that is embarrassing and cringe and oh, my gosh can't believe it happened. And we ask you guys to send us your Shoot dude stories to our email Shoot dude at Gmail. Gmail. Shoot dude. Shoot dude.

[Shane Topp]

Shoot dudeol.com. just kidding.

[Courtney Miller]

Shoot dude. S h O-O-T d o o [e-mail] and we read them, and we decide whether it's a Shoot dude or oh, baby. Or something different because. Or if, like, maybe.

[Shane Topp]

Or a man. It could be a man. A man is. If it gets scary.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

A Shoot dude is supposed to be embarrassing.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Trying to think of my favorite one.

[Courtney Miller]

The person who, like, accidentally went into their parents.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. Their friends. Their friend's mom's dresser and was looking at her underwear. Accidentally. I'm like, I don't buy it. That, to me, wasn't a Shoot dude. That was a.

[Courtney Miller]

Okay, Susan. Hmm?

[Shane Topp]

Sus dude.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. Sus dude. Okay. Are you ready?

[Shane Topp]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

All right.

[Shane Topp]

I'm ready.

[Courtney Miller]

This is from Sarah. Since I was 3, I dreamt of becoming a professional dancer, and my mom put me into classes. Growing up, I also had a tendency to just say words I heard my teenage sister say without knowing the meaning of them. So one day When I was 4, I was in a Sunday school class that my dad taught, by the way, and a lady had sat down next to me and was asking me all these questions. She asked me what I wanted to be when I grow up. I looked up at her with the sweetest face, stood up, wiggled around, and said, my dream is to be an exotic dancer. My mom told me that I should follow my dreams. The lady was very concerned and talked to my parents afterwards. I didn't understand why being a fun, which is what I thought exotic, meant dancer, was such an issue.

[Shane Topp]

Aw, that's a. That's a cute. That's a cute dude. Dude. So I say that because kids just don't realize what they're saying.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Topp]

My. My niece said something similar at one point. Go, go, go. I think, though, I'm not gonna say what. No, no, no, I'll say it. I'm not gonna say what? Like, which.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, no. Yeah. I'll just show you the story.

[Shane Topp]

But so at one point, my mom asked my niece. She's like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And she's. I think she said, like, I want to be a lady on the street.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, my God.

[Shane Topp]

We were all. I don't think you know what that sounds like, but okay. My nieces want to be a different profession every day. It'll be like, yeah, today I think I want to be an astronaut when I grow up. Tomorrow it'll be cowboy. The next day, it's a ninja.

[Courtney Miller]

Dude, when I was in fifth grade, there's a video of me where I literally just said. Said it because my friends said it, and I'm just like, I'm Courtney, and I want to grow up to be a fashion designer.

[Shane Topp]

Aw, you kind of are. You have the hoo Hoo line.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, but that's like, I kind of. Those aren't really my ideas. It's just like. It's kind of a group effort.

[Shane Topp]

Totally, Totally. You're talking about, like, I would love.

[Courtney Miller]

To just create cool clothes, you know, just crop tees all day. Give me a shirt. I'll crop it. Watch out. Watch.

[Shane Topp]

Hold your shirt. That sounds ridiculous. But Yeezy's line is honestly sometimes not far off from that of just like. Yeah, we just could put a shirt. We'll just put some. We use Photoshop.

[Courtney Miller]

I'm just gonna drop this in some oil and send it.

[Shane Topp]

I'm gonna design a shoe after styrofoam.

[Courtney Miller]

I will.

[Shane Topp]

$500. Problem is, they kind of look cool sometimes, but I'm never. I'm not gonna own a pair.

[Courtney Miller]

There's. Dude, there's so much, like, fun content we want to do once things start, like, opening up in our area again. Like, we talked about doing a video where we all. We go to a thrift store, we buy each other outfits to go out in.

[Shane Topp]

I have fun. I have fun with that. I have fun with that.

[Courtney Miller]

Fashion's fun, dude.

[Shane Topp]

Fashion's fun. Fashion, TikTok.

[Courtney Miller]

What's wrong with wanting to be an exotic dancer? My guy, do whatever you want.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, but wait till you're an adult.

[Courtney Miller]

But understand what it is before.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, I would research. I would suggest researching before you go into any profession.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, hopefully you know what an exotic dancer is before you're, like, 10. Wait, no, no. Like. Like, she's four years old. How is she supposed to know? Oh, God. Just delete it. Just delete it.

[Shane Topp]

Look for any adult, any legal career path. You know what? We respect it. Hey, TikTok, right? Pretty crazy. Pretty crazy, right? Teens, Am I right? Teens, Am I right? Teenagers.

[Courtney Miller]

Am I right? Zoomers?

[Shane Topp]

Follow me on TikTok and look. Actually, you know what? Don't follow me on TikTok. Don't look at my TikTok. Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Cause then you're just gonna have to jump in and make a new account.

[Shane Topp]

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm gonna post Some of the weirdest jokes you've ever seen. So you don't wanna see it. That's what I'm gonna. That's my finishing thought here.

[Courtney Miller]

I have found that the harder I try on a TikTok. Actually, there's no consistency ever. Never mind.

[Shane Topp]

Well, that's been. That's been us on TikTok.

[Courtney Miller]

Social media experts.

[Shane Topp]

That's right.

[Courtney Miller]

That's what we are.

[Shane Topp]

Social media expert. I am definitely not. I. The things that I could. I would. Will not admit that I do not know how to do on social media. There are things. There are things I don't do on social media because I simply don't know how.

[Courtney Miller]

They say if you've been doing something for 10 years, that makes you a master at.

[Shane Topp]

It's 10,000 hours.

[Courtney Miller]

10,000 hours. How long is. How many years is 10,000 hours?

[Shane Topp]

More than 10 years. Wait, my math is. I'm not good at math.

[Courtney Miller]

How many years is 10,000 hours? 1.14 years.

[Shane Topp]

Well, but, but sorry, what I meant was to cram 10,000 hours. It's gonna take. Yeah, obviously, because you gotta sleep too.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Okay, I think we can start wrapping this podcast.

[Shane Topp]

We're. Hey, now that we're done, let's just prove how dumb we are for 20 minutes.

[Courtney Miller]

We're experts, guys. Love you guys.

[Shane Topp]

Yes. Hi, I'm Shane. I'm a huge idiot. Thank you for listening.

[Courtney Miller]

Thank you for listening. It was so. This is my first time back in the studio in this podcast studio since February.

[Shane Topp]

Wow. Wow. It's nice to be back.

[Courtney Miller]

Good to be back, gang.

[Shane Topp]

All right, well, you can listen to this podcast on any podcast app, but you're listening to it right now, and you can watch it on YouTube on Fridays. We're gonna release it and, you know, give it five stars. I definitely give this one five stars. I mean, come on. Why wouldn't you?

[Courtney Miller]

Why wouldn't you?

[Shane Topp]

If I see a four star rating, I'm never gonna come on the pot again.

[Ian Hecox]

That's not how that works.

[Courtney Miller]

Shane, thanks for doing the outro.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, no problem.

[Courtney Miller]

Cool. Bye.

[Shane Topp]

Bye, guys. We love.