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Hello, SNAFU listeners. Ed Helms here. I mean, who else is it going to be?

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This is my podcast. So yeah, it's Ed Helms, and I've got another really fun surprise for you. This week I'm sharing the live recording of one of my favorite stops on last year's book tour, where I was essentially roasted to a crisp by the one and only Tig Notaro. Now, Tig isn't just a brilliant comedian, actor, writer and podcast host. She's also a longtime friend. We go way back, and I've always admired her completely singular comedic voice. She has this magical rhythm to her delivery, like a deceptively gentle slow burn style to her jokes, and then these punchlines that just hit you in the gut so hard she can leave A massive audience doubled over without hitting, ever raising her voice. You've probably seen her in her Netflix stand up special, Happy to Be Here. Or her TV series, One Mississippi. Or stealing entire scenes in shows like Star Discovery, the Office, or perhaps even the movie that Tig and I did together called Together Together Now. Sharing the stage with Tig at LA Live Talks was an absolute blast. We dug into the stories from my book, the Definitive Guide to History's Greatest Screw up, talked about the research and production process for the book, and even tossed around a few bold predictions for the future. So listen in and don't forget, you can order the book or the audiobook@snafu-book.com or wherever you get your books. So sit back and enjoy my conversation with the incredible Tig Notaro.

Summary

Podcast Summary: SNAFU with Ed Helms – “Live at LA Talks with Tig Notaro”

Podcast: SNAFU with Ed Helms
Host: Ed Helms
Guest: Tig Notaro
Release Date: March 25, 2026
Episode Theme: A live, comedic deep-dive into Ed Helms’s book on history’s greatest screw-ups, the research and process behind it, and the enduring joy (and lessons) of humanity’s blunders.

Episode Overview

This special episode features Ed Helms in a live event at LA Talks, joined by his longtime friend and comedic partner Tig Notaro. The discussion centers around Ed’s new book, "SNAFU: The Definitive Guide to History's Greatest Screw-Ups," which serves as a companion to the SNAFU podcast. The conversation is both an exploration of history’s wildest fiascos and an extended hangout brimming with banter, Southern warmth, and signature deadpan humor from both Helms and Notaro.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Casual Banter and Signature Humor

The episode opens with playful rapport, highlighting the duo’s chemistry. Tig jokes about stains on her pants, inventing a “What’s On Your Pants?” game show (04:36), while Ed admits wearing the same pants for eight days to finish the book tour.
Tig: “What’s on your pants? Crowd goes mild.” (04:56)
Ed: “This is the last stop on my book tour.” (05:12)
They bounce between self-deprecating humor and affectionate ribbing, setting a light tone for deeper dives into the book and podcast.

Origins of the SNAFU Podcast and Book

Ed shares his journey toward creating a podcast that stood apart from the typical interview format, focusing instead on historical blunders that are equal parts fascinating and funny.
Quote:
- Ed: “History is a fun thing that I’ve always loved to just go down these little rabbit holes...” (09:19)
The process for both the podcast and the book is described as intensive:
- “It just turned into a really intense project with deep research and heavy audio production.” (09:43)
The book collects 31 bite-sized stories of historical snafus, built on research that didn’t always fit the podcast format.

Research and Writing Process

Short-Form Storytelling:
- Each chapter is a self-contained story, making for a less overwhelming writing process compared to a novel or memoir.
  Quote:
  - Ed: “It was not overwhelming … it caters well to the way my brain works.” (17:19)
Collaborative Effort:
- Thanks the research team, stressing collective effort in uncovering obscure history (18:02).
Surprising Discoveries:
- Many stories in the book are intentionally lesser-known.
  Quote:
  - Ed: “Every story is like, holy shit, that happened. Like, that's real." (19:25)

Favorite Snafus from the Book

1. The USA’s Plan to Nuke the Moon (Project A119)

In the 1950s, the US considered detonating a nuclear warhead on the moon to show strength during the Cold War.
“Any tiny malfunction or miscalculation could … result in the nuclear warhead slingshotting ... and just coming right back at us.” (21:55)
The intended ‘spectacle’ would’ve been “a little gray dust cloud”—like something out of Looney Tunes.
Quote:
- Ed: “This is a Looney Tunes idea. Like you could see Acme on the side of this warhead.” (22:58)

2. The CIA’s Cat Spy Project (Acoustic Kitty)

The CIA surgically implanted microphones into cats to spy on enemies—project failed upon discovering that cats can’t be trained. Quote:
- Ed: “The only thing that came from that entire research effort was the startling discovery that you can’t train cats.” (29:15)
Tig: “As a cat lover, that was one of my favorites, I must say.” (28:55)

3. Jimmy Carter and the First Nuclear Meltdown

1950s meltdown in Deep River, Ontario: a 28-year-old Jimmy Carter leads the high-stakes relay mission to contain the reactor, spending only 90 seconds at a time near the core.
Carter’s urine was radioactive for three months after the incident.
Quote:
- Tig: “That’s a badass.” (34:12)
- Ed: “Give it up for Jimmy Carter.” (34:34)

Research Sources & Uncovering Lost Stories

Many snafus live in obscurity until unearthed by dogged journalists or accidental archival finds.
The story of the moon nuke plan surfaced only due to Carl Sagan’s early career application (26:36).
The internet, old history books, and niche research leads are key sources. Quote:
- Ed: “When you just start looking for snafus, they bubble up.” (27:38)

Patterns and Lessons from History’s Mistakes

Humanity Repeats Mistakes:
- Ed openly admits: “We just don’t learn from history at all, which is so sad and dumb.” (35:15)
Finding Solace in Past Chaos:
- While history is full of nerve-racking events, looking back can actually be “kind of nice”—evidence that turmoil isn’t new and we tend to muddle through. Quote:
- “It’s nice to be reminded that we’ve been there before ... that they have gotten through these moments.” (36:12)

Audience & Community Engagement

Tig playfully suggests everyone she meets tries to pitch their own family’s/region’s snafus (38:20).
Ed: “A few people actually on this book have been like, did you hear about this?” (38:20)

SNAFU Book and Podcast Continuations

Audience wonders about future books and podcast topics—Ed hints at themed sequels (sports, time periods), and more contemporary snafus.
Quote:
- Ed: “Right now we’re sitting in ... a big old sea of snafus." (39:57)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Casual Banter:
- Tig: “What’s on your pants? Crowd goes mild.” (04:56)
On the Book’s Bathroom Appropriateness:
- Ed: "It gets things moving. That one chapter is equivalent to 9 grams of fiber.” (12:17)
On Government Transparency:
- Ed: “That’s anti American. To point out that, that the CIA tried to surgically implant microphones into cats ears…” (28:39)
On Teaching from Mistakes:
- Ed: “We just don’t learn from history at all, which is so sad and dumb.” (35:15)
On Jimmy Carter’s Heroics:
- Tig: “Okay. Make fun of Jimmy Carter all day long, but have you had radioactive urine?” (34:13)

Noteworthy Timestamps

[04:36] – Humorous "What's On Your Pants?" icebreaker
[08:33] – Tig asks about the genesis of the SNAFU book and podcast
[12:44] – The meaning behind “SNAFU” and its origins
[17:19] – Ed explains why short chapters made book-writing manageable
[21:20] – Nuking the Moon: The Cold War’s wildest idea
[28:55] – CIA’s failed cat spy project
[30:00-34:21] – Jimmy Carter and the first nuclear meltdown; radioactive urine
[35:15] – Lessons and patterns from snafus
[38:20] – Collecting stories from the public; community engagement
[39:57] – Ed and Tig speculate on sequels and future topics
[40:26] – Ed is asked about his own personal snafus (demurs)
[43:34] – Would The Office have a “snafu” episode? Ed imagines Michael Scott steering the “Ever Given”
[44:58] – Tig recalls her cameo on The Office
[45:37] – Ed previews SNAFU season 4 with more guest-driven storytelling
[49:14] – Audience Q: WWII snafus
[50:19] – Audience Q: Why Tig as interviewer? Sparks comedic riffing on their friendship

Final Takeaways

The episode is a lively, affectionate, and humorous behind-the-scenes look at researching, writing, and laughing at history’s most outlandish mistakes.
Ed and Tig’s banter brings the subject matter down to earth, making history enjoyable even when it’s about humanity at its most clueless.
Whether it’s nukes aimed at the moon, spy cats, or nuclear-reactive urine, the lesson is: history is wild, funny, and ever-relevant.
The SNAFU book is meant as much for bathroom breaks as for the beach or bedside—each story a curiosity grenade to spice up any social gathering.
Ed hints at future projects, always more SNAFUs to unpack, and the satisfaction of using past disasters to infuse a little hope and a lot of laughs into our present uncertainty.

For more SNAFU tales or to order Ed’s book, visit snafu-book.com.