Kiry Shabazz is an Artist

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Kiry Shabazz is an Artist" on So True with Caleb Hearon

Podcast Information:

• Title: So True with Caleb Hearon
• Host/Author: Headgum
• Episode: Kiry Shabazz is an Artist
• Release Date: February 27, 2025
• Description: Weekly podcast from beloved gay comedian Caleb Hearon. Basically just getting into it and sorting it all out and kind of identifying what’s really real.

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Introduction

In the episode titled "Kiry Shabazz is an Artist," host Caleb Hearon engages in a candid and humorous conversation with comedian Kyrie Shabazz. The duo delves into various topics ranging from their comedy careers and personal experiences to cultural observations and the nuances of performing for diverse audiences.

Early Life and Backgrounds

Caleb and Kyrie begin by reminiscing about their upbringing and the influences that shaped their comedic styles. Caleb shares his experiences growing up in Cleveland before moving to California, where his journey in comedy commenced.

Notable Quote:

[06:02] Caleb: "I started doing improv. I was walking down cuz where I used to go from to get home, there was a small improv club... It looked like the same asylum."

Comedy Career and Experiences

The conversation transitions into their respective paths in comedy. Caleb discusses his initial foray into improv and the challenges he faced blending into that community. Kyrie contrasts his journey, highlighting his seamless fit between improv and stand-up comedy.

Notable Quotes:

[07:35] Caleb: "I was always the loud character... I wanted to be funny."

[07:44] Kyrie: "I fit in over there."

They explore the differences between improvisational comedy and stand-up, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and personal style in their performances.

Performing for Different Audiences

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the dynamics of performing for black versus white audiences. Caleb emphasizes the supportive nature of black audiences, who are inherently rooting for performers, whereas white audiences allow for more self-deprecation in comedy.

Notable Quotes:

[44:45] Caleb: "In black audiences, they're there. They're rooting for you... Self-deprecation doesn't work as much."

[45:14] Kyrie: "I like that the angle you're coming at it from is loyalty."

They discuss how cultural backgrounds and audience expectations influence comedic delivery and material, advocating for a balance between relatability and originality.

Health and Personal Well-being

Caleb opens up about the importance of prioritizing health amidst the demanding schedule of touring and performing. He shares his struggles with maintaining energy levels and the steps he's taking to ensure his well-being.

Notable Quotes:

[46:54] Caleb: "I want to be alive and healthy and energetic for it... I'm starting to put health first, I'm feeling that energy."

[47:38] Kyrie: "Health doesn't necessarily mean weight loss. It definitely actually doesn't mean that."

The conversation highlights the challenges comedians face in balancing personal health with the rigorous demands of their profession.

Podcasting and Media

Caleb and Kyrie touch upon the landscape of podcasting, debating its cultural associations and the inclusivity within the medium. They critique the dominance of straight white men in podcasting and explore the potential for more diverse voices to take the forefront.

Notable Quotes:

[15:10] Caleb: "Is podcasting white nonsense? No, because there are some good black podcasts."

[66:24] Kyrie: "They have their art form. It's their culture."

Their dialogue underscores the need for greater representation and diversity in media platforms like podcasts.

Interpersonal Relationships and Community

Towards the end of the episode, Caleb and Kyrie delve into the complexities of maintaining friendships and relationships within the comedy community. They discuss loyalty, cultural differences, and the importance of supporting each other's personal lives without overstepping boundaries.

Notable Quotes:

[61:06] Caleb: "I like to keep it separate. Then it's less messy."

[62:45] Kyrie: "When you come home, you're like, what the fuck?"

This segment emphasizes the delicate balance between personal relationships and professional camaraderie in high-pressure environments.

Closing Remarks

In the closing moments, Caleb and Kyrie reflect on their mutual respect and the genuine bond they share as peers in the comedy world. They express appreciation for each other's talents and contributions, reinforcing the theme of community and support that runs throughout the episode.

Notable Quotes:

[51:33] Caleb: "If anyone asks me who my favorite comedians are, I'm like, Kyrie Shabazz."

[67:16] Kyrie: "It was a joy to have you on. I think you're one of the best comedians living."

Conclusion

"So True with Caleb Hearon" episode featuring Kiry Shabazz offers an insightful and entertaining exploration of the comedic landscape, personal growth, and the intricate dynamics of performing for varied audiences. Through their engaging dialogue, Caleb and Kyrie provide listeners with a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and thoughtful reflections on their careers and lives.

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Note: Advertisements and non-content segments within the transcript have been excluded from this summary to focus solely on the substantive discussions between Caleb Hearon and Kyrie Shabazz.

Transcript

[A]

This is a headgum podcast.

[B]

Get the Angel REEF Special at McDonald's. Now let's break it down. My favorite barbecue sauce, American cheese, crispy bacon, pickles, onions, and a sesame seed bun, of course. And don't forget the fries and the drinks. Sound good? I participate in restaurants for a limited time.

[A]

The only white shows growing up I really got was like, friends.

[B]

You got friends?

[A]

Yeah, I kind of got to see how they were, like, funny. Like, what was Joey's thing? Like, what up? What was the second what up, dude?

[B]

Or whatever the fuck you're so. It's so funny for you to try and be an introvert when you're just like one of the funniest standups alive.

[A]

But yes. On stage. Not on a couch. Sitting here with a fucking, you know, with a chance. With a laptop.

[B]

Stages, you were about to say with lights and a microphone, but you just realized that stage.

[A]

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Add that randomly attack chance for no reason.

[B]

No, that's the point of the show.

[A]

Got you. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Chances. He's a complicated figure on the show. The clip's not sharing.

[A]

So why are you not being a. Why are you being a diva? Not sharing your screen time with him? Sharing what he needs FaceTime.

[B]

I don't like him.

[A]

You hot.

[B]

I don't like this guy. I keep trying to tell people, man, I don't like this guy.

[A]

I don't believe that. It's a bromance budding. And you think so?

[B]

Yeah, I think we have a bromance.

[A]

You and I. Yeah, somewhat. Yeah. Until. Until that time you tried to not give me Joe's. I think I was very upset.

[B]

Okay. Talk about it. You've been wanting to bring this up.

[A]

I did. Are we. I don't want to do it now. Are we recording or no?

[B]

Oh, we're recording.

[A]

This is awkward. Can y'all edit that out, please?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. See, what I don't do, it's not like I'm on stage doing it. No, I do. This is one of my fondest memories in Kansas City. My only memory.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

And you have this thing where you have to take people to the most delicious places in Kansas.

[B]

It's my thing.

[A]

Yeah. We had. Did the KC tennis show, which was fucking amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, I can't leave here unless I get some barbecue. And I think Joe's was. You named a few. Yeah, I think one of them was something slappies or slaps.

[B]

Yeah, okay.

[A]

Yeah, look, I'm making it all extra racist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Slapping his ribs. Whatever the fuck that sounds Kansas Cityish.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I love this photo, man, because it. I don't know. What is his girlfriend's name? First of all, your friend. He's like a hetero. U. Yup.

[B]

Anthony. And then his partner. Their name is Sid.

[A]

Sid, okay.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Anthony and Sid love him to death. They were cool, but poor Sid looks like our nurse.

[B]

Looks like what?

[A]

Our nurse?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She looks like she's there in case one of us goes in a cardiac arrest.

[B]

They look. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they look like. They look like they're about to put the paddles on us after Chargin.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my bad day. I'm sorry.

[B]

I know you're good.

[A]

Yeah, no, definitely, like, this was a group home outing. Group home outing. And the worst part is, y'all know Caleb is, like, beaming with confidence. You don't give a fuck.

[B]

No.

[A]

So you had to sit right in front where people come in and go to the register.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, they're thinking one of three things. One, they're like, we picked the right place.

[B]

Yeah, that's exactly what they're thinking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They see me, you, and Anthony sitting at a barbecue place.

[A]

They're like, these about to be some good ribs.

[B]

I've been saying this. If you walk into a restaurant and I'm in there with a smile on my face, you better have a seat.

[A]

You made the best decision.

[B]

You made the best choice you could make.

[A]

So they were either thinking that when they walked up and saw our big backs devouring ribs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Sid being nervous as hell, or they were like, maybe I shouldn't have a cheat day today. Maybe I should stick to my diet. Because the way the black one is breathing laboriously is not. You know what I mean? We're sitting right in front. So I'm like, the owner either wants us to leave or he wants to stay.

[B]

Or they were like, you think the owner's thin?

[A]

Oh, no. No, not at all.

[B]

You think those chairs aren't triple steel reinforced?

[A]

Oh, they definitely were.

[B]

Everyone in Kansas City is fat. That's why I love it there.

[A]

Yeah, True.

[B]

It's a great place to be.

[A]

You're a Kansas City, what, six? I'm a K size six. Not like, look, okay.

[B]

I was like, kyrie, God damn. What are we doing here?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

No, I'm a Kansas City double zero.

[A]

Double zero.

[B]

I'm one of the smallest guys in town. Yeah. Got the Pepto out.

[A]

Oh, definitely. Yeah. Definitely had the pepto.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I knew the macaroni cheese was gonna fuck me. And I had to fly right out after you did. Yeah. Caleb was a very kind host. But when it's time to kick people out, you don't play.

[B]

I say it's time to go.

[A]

It's time to get the fuck out. And I knew it. It was like, look, we got 30 minutes to get to Joe's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I knew I needed the Pepto for the flight, but. Or they were just thinking like, Joe's is that dope? We don't care who's in here. We're gonna eat no matter what. And the food was good.

[B]

I'm not ever thinking about what other people are thinking of me. How often is it running through your mind?

[A]

Do you think when I'm sitting in front of the register, that's when.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. When I'm center stage trying to devour ribs. Cause then now I feel self conscious. I have to eat them all. Cause I wanna devour them. I wanna get messy and dirty. But I'm in front of this establishment and you know, I gotta be dainty with the ribs and use a fork, you know.

[B]

No one's doing that though.

[A]

Yeah. Cuz they're animals.

[B]

Yeah, but not us.

[A]

They're from Kansas City. Yeah. I'm trying to represent. I'm civilized. So I'm coming into y'all city.

[B]

You're from Cleveland, so you're.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Thanks for buttoned up.

[B]

Yeah, real.

[A]

But we, yeah, us lake people are very, you know, classy.

[B]

Pinkies out with the ribs. Formal wear.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Tuxedo tails. Yeah.

[A]

I keep forgetting I'm from Cleveland. It makes sense when I remember. It makes sense when I look at this shit that's happened in my life, I'm like, yeah, you from Cleveland, bro.

[B]

You're from Cleveland?

[A]

Yeah, 100%.

[B]

How long were you in Cleveland?

[A]

I grew up there. So I think from probably about like age 4, like to 17. So like elementary, middle school, high school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I came out here to California and then just been off and on since then.

[B]

Did you start comedy right away when you got up?

[A]

I didn't. I, unfortunately I did improv.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You did improv.

[A]

Did improv. No, don't tell any standups. I, I, I started doing improv. I was walking down cuz where I used to go from to get home, there was a small improv club. And I was like, why are these weird adults standing on chairs doing windmills? Like, what the. It looked like in the same asylum.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I was like, I want to be in there. Like, what the fuck is that? So I went in there, I started taking classes doing improv and it was your typical improv place, no matter where you go. I have a thing where every improv does this. It means like it's a wonky, like all the little games, the zip zap, zaps and the big booty. Big booty, big booty, all of that shit. It was all of the usual improv things. And I loved improv. It was a lot of fun. But I didn't fit in with improvisers. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean, that's a compliment.

[A]

But you're like a day walker. You could walk both worlds.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I fit in over there.

[A]

Yeah, you can talk to the improvisers and then stand ups. I can't. I couldn't.

[B]

You just knew immediately, like, this is not.

[A]

And then culturally too. Like, I think because like I grew up in the hood, so when I went there, I was the guy going for like the easy jokes. I always wanted to be the loud character.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the guy who taught the class was always like, don't go for the joke. And I'm like, what the fuck do you mean don't go for the joke?

[B]

Right.

[A]

You gotta be funny.

[B]

I'm up here trying to make people laugh.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I found that difficult too in improv. I'll be honest. Yeah, I understood the mentality. But it did annoy me because the teacher's always some middle aged white guy, straight. And he would be like, don't go for the easy stuff. And I'd be like, I want to laugh.

[A]

I want an immediate laugh.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

They make you chase this clever shit. And then for real, that's how I feel. Like this clever, boring white bullshit. Like I'm trying to be a hood pirate ruining the fucking scene. Like, not taking any suggestions. No. Yes. And just rail rolling the scene. Somebody's like, hey, did you make the cookies? We're in space. Like just a stereotype of a shitty improviser. And just my just need to want to get better at shit and perfect it. I was like, okay, you got to learn the formatting. And then I found it was fun actually playing grounded and going for that clever white shit. It actually paid off the clever white shit. Because you know that like Seinfeld, like Frasier Y type shit, I used to hate that when I was a kid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't understand Frasier at all. I was like, what the fuck is this? What are these three gay white men talking about in his fucking apartment? Frasier was so boring in Seinfeld. But now that I'm grown, I watch Frasier. It's a hoot. I fucking love Frasier. Yeah, I fucking. It's a rip. Roar time. I love me some Frasier now, man.

[B]

What were your shows? What were you enjoying?

[A]

The typical shit like Martin. Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Jamie Foxx. This is what I was watching, right?

[B]

Yeah, I was watching Missouri. Oh, yeah. I was watching Martin. We were watching Bernie Mac show.

[A]

No, I wasn't. Yes, I was the F. In Missouri.

[B]

What do you mean, in Missouri? You were in Ohio.

[A]

I guess Ohio does think we're better than Missouri for no reason at all.

[B]

No reason at all. No reason at all.

[A]

Justify bougie.

[B]

It's not fair. Yeah, we're doing the same.

[A]

Well, y'all got better barbecue.

[B]

That's absolutely true. Yeah, that's absolutely true. I struggle to think of what Ohio has that's better than Missouri.

[A]

Corn beef, Sandes. I don't know. A. A lake.

[B]

Yeah, well, lakes. That's real. That's real.

[A]

Basketball team. I don't think y'all got a good team, do y'all?

[B]

We don't have an NBA team at all.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

It really stresses me out.

[A]

It's coming, though.

[B]

I'd love one.

[A]

How I thought about you, too. How did you feel about the Super Bowl?

[B]

What are you doing?

[A]

What are you doing? Was this a thing? Don't. I know. Look, everybody. Y'all can't see the staff. They're like, no, don't.

[B]

What are you doing? What are you doing? This is a gotcha interview. You're trying to get me.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

You're trying to get me right now.

[A]

Yeah. Hot takes.

[B]

Are you. Who. Who's your NFL team?

[A]

The Browns, unfortunately. So it goes back to.

[B]

So how was your postseason?

[A]

Oh, man. Rough.

[B]

You know what? I was. I really. It really didn't. It didn't bother me that much. We did play the worst game we played in five years in the Super Bowl. That was nuts. But what cracks me up is the number of people who. Everyone hates the Chiefs now. I get it. It's annoying to you guys. They forget that just a couple of years ago, we were horrible, and this is all new and fun to us, but the number of people that are, like, Bengals fans or, like Rams fans.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That are being like, yeah. Fuck, yeah. Eagles beating the shit out of the Chiefs. I'm like, your team is in Cancun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Your team is on vacation right now.

[A]

They're not on the main stage.

[B]

Y'all are not Playing. You're not. It's like they're getting so. It just cracks me up. They're being so, like, uppity and self righteous about the. By the way, I like Jalen Hurts. I like Saquon Barkley. I'm very happy for a lot of people on that organization, but the. The sport. What's that?

[A]

Don't slide that in now.

[B]

I am. Okay, but I have to say specific names because you. I hate Nick Sirianni.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Nick Sirianni is such a stupid little dweeb.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The head coach of the Eagles. I think I. Anybody who's an Eagles fan, come on, you have to admit that guy's a loser.

[A]

No, I don't think the only people who should be ego fans are people from Philly. Yeah, all these people rooting for my. Like, you guys are fake. No one likes Philly.

[B]

Oh, I love Philly.

[A]

No, the city.

[B]

I love Philly.

[A]

You're insane.

[B]

No, there's no Philly. I love Philly.

[A]

Philly. I don't. Have you been there? Like, yes. I like. I like the food. Right. I like good museums, great food. But it's the way they kind of. People in Philly don't know they're from Philly. I was doing the show and I was trying to find out where good Philly cheesesteak was, and I was, I'm gonna go to Pats and Geno just because I didn't know. I'm not. And they lost their mind. Like, don't go there. You gotta go to It's Kabibbles. And I was like, well, I was confused. And they were like, they. They didn't understand why I was confused. I was like, what? It was like, it's Kabibbles. I'm like, what the. Is the. It's Kabibbles. Yeah, they're saying it like, go to the Cheesesteak station. Like, you have to explain what the. It's Cabbles. It ended up being amazing.

[B]

Yeah. Turns out.

[A]

Yeah, it turns out it was. But just everything about it, like the downtown area, there was like an abandoned, like, burned out building there. It looked kind of like post apocalyptic. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

As opposed to the. The new age oasis that is Cleveland.

[A]

I can't wait for you to go to Cleveland. We got two new buildings. We got two new buildings. And the Cavs is doing better now, so.

[B]

Yeah, things are on the up.

[A]

Things are on the up. Yeah. Cleveland. Yeah, But Philly's a major city, so it's like, that's. You know, Cleveland is, you know, Cleveland's a mistake by the late give.

[B]

So did you ever watch the Drew. The Drew Carey show?

[A]

I did, I did.

[B]

Was it important to you?

[A]

No, because it fell into that line of just white shows I didn't get right.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The only white shows growing up I really got was like, friends.

[B]

You got friends?

[A]

Yeah. I kind of got to see how they were, like, funny. Like, what was Joey's thing? Like, what up, what up, dude? Or whatever the. Y'all know what I mean? How you doing? Yeah, Joey had to.

[B]

How.

[A]

You know, so you get in Chandler, he's Monica. Like, you can. And Phoebe. So to me, that was.

[B]

And what was Phoebe's thing?

[A]

Smelly cats. But like, it was like Friends. Just. You could get it.

[B]

So the idea of you watching Friends and just being like, being like, Chandler's about to do his thing, like, you're just really locked in with the characters of Friends.

[A]

Yeah. And then that theme song locked you in too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You sitting there in the living room.

[B]

And I'll be there for you.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. That was fun.

[A]

You're hooked immediately. It's like the CSI thing.

[B]

Yeah. They're in the fucking. The fountain. Yeah, why not?

[A]

Drew Carey was one of those where I was like, I don't.

[B]

You. You taking phone calls right now.

[A]

I'm trying to. I thought it was on airplane mode. I really. I'm only doing this because I love you, man. I really. I hate podcasts so much.

[B]

You do not. Stop it.

[A]

I watch them. I watch this podcast, but I'm like, I wouldn't want to be there.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because, like, it's a podcast, man. It's just like, you know, I want.

[B]

To get to the bottom of this.

[A]

When it's a friend, it's okay. Like, when it's you, it's fine. Yeah, but like, the idea of somebody hitting you up like, hey, let's have our first two hour long conversation together. Like, no.

[B]

You and I have had a couple conversations, though.

[A]

We had. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's easier when it's a friend. Like comedians. I know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the idea of just hopping on somebody's podcast and talking for two hours, you don't know if they're a idiot or.

[B]

Oh, I'm not doing that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Do. Do you consider podcasting to be white? Nonsense.

[A]

No. Cuz it's some good black podcasts.

[B]

Okay. Is there a black podcast you'd like to be on more than mine? I could maybe make some calls.

[A]

The Joe Button podcast. Yeah, if you could hook that up.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, Joe, I know you watch.

[A]

He probably do, man.

[B]

Please have Kyrie on your show or.

[A]

One of those ones where, like, you know, where it's like, those really just, like, intellectual black women. And the name of the podcast is, like, the MM Podcast. Like, just something. Something where they just, you know, do that, you know.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think I know what you're talking about.

[A]

You were on Z Way, nigga. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

[B]

I don't think that's. I don't think that's the Z Way tagline.

[A]

Probably not.

[B]

Z Way's show podcast.

[A]

Yeah. Please edit that out.

[B]

Oh, that's going in.

[A]

Oh, no, that's.

[B]

Would you go on Z Way?

[A]

I would. She intimidates me. How was it, though?

[B]

Were you like, Z way intimidates you?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

In the most brilliant way, though.

[B]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, I understand that. I think a lot of people were intimidated by Z Way.

[A]

You weren't, though.

[B]

I'm not intimidated by Z Way. I respect Z Way.

[A]

Well, not intimidating in a negative way. You know what I mean? Like, she's just smart in that way. She can trip you up.

[B]

And I think Z Way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Z Way. If people are intimidated by Z Way, it's not because of any reason other than she created a show that is centered around getting the guest.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Tripping the guest up.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. It's not, like a bad thing. Like, it's not intimidated, where she's, like, a horrible person.

[B]

But I think if you're a white person going on zway show, you should be afraid.

[A]

No, she had Michael Shea on the. Did you get one with him? Yeah.

[B]

What'd she get him on?

[A]

I don't know. Some. Some. I think you were saying, like, he couldn't. I miss. I'm paraphrasing something about, like, I'm just a. I can't read or write. And she was like, aren't you the head writer of snl? It was something in that vein, but I'm paraphrasing. But it was something along that. Yeah, but he was trying to just be all, like, I. I'm. I Intellectual.

[B]

Yeah. And she got him.

[A]

Yeah. She's like, you write for Lorne Michaels.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You write for a live sketch show.

[B]

So, actually. Yeah, I think you'd be great at having a podcast.

[A]

I want me. I don't know what I would talk about, though.

[B]

What do you talk about on stage?

[A]

Mental illness.

[B]

Babies at the grocery store.

[A]

Babies at the grocery store.

[B]

Parents.

[A]

Politics. Are Right. Right. Now I hate. Cause I go to a show and I have a roadmap of what I want to talk about. Stuff that's relatable, just everyday things that aren't about politics. But then I just go on a mad rant and I just start talking about politics because I get triggered every time I see like Elon Musk do a salute. And then, you know, I gotta write jokes about it. Like, I did one, I was like, we're gonna have Tesla concentration camps and people are gonna take self driving trains to Auschwitz and we're gonna be in the gas chambers, like, hey, what's the WI fi password? Like, just, just imagine what a Tesla concentration camp would look like. And I love the response because half of the audience is horrified, the other half is laughing.

[B]

Yeah. So who do you think's getting sent over there first?

[A]

I think it's gonna be equal opportunity. I think we're all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even the poor whites that voted for him, I think are gonna go to.

[B]

Yeah, well, the nice thing about the Trump regime is when they start rounding us all up, it'll be any political defectors, it'll be just political enemies.

[A]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[B]

I don't think it'll actually be an identity base. It'll be anyone who goes against the guy.

[A]

But see, I do this thing too when I think. When I kind of met you and Holmes, at first I was on this push about making fun of Biden because he had just got elected. And there was this thing where, like, if you make fun of Biden, you support Trump. And I think SNL pissed me off because Brad Pitt did a sketch about Fauci and at the end of it, he ripped his mask off and he was like, fauci, I just wanna let you know you a hero. Like, why are you kissing his ass? Like, it was a point where they were too afraid to make fun of him. So I was like, I'm gonna make fun of Biden, I'm gonna talk shit about him. And so now in my act, I'm reminding people. Like, there used to be a time when we just made fun of the president and talked shit. I think it's weird when Trump supporters come in and they're like, you can't make fun of him. I like the Trump supporters who are just like, hey, I voted for him. I'm just a regular dude. Make fun of him like any other president. Same way with joke about Obama or Kamala, if that makes sense. We've lost that way. I feel like we're Too divided now on the issues where we can't just make fun of presidents. And I think that's kind of what America is for and what comedy is for. Just to shit on whoever's in charge.

[B]

Yeah. There's always someone evil in the White House.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Everyone in the White House is evil.

[A]

I had a bit where I was talking about, like, you know, we judge them for the wrong things. Like, people will say, kamala's a liar, Trump's a liar. And I'm like, yeah, no shit. They're applying for a job. Who tells the truth in the job interview?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're supposed to lie about solutions at the border. I don't know what the to do at the border.

[B]

Solutions at the border.

[A]

You know what I mean? But if I was getting a job at Target and they asked me if I had a plan for the border, I would lie.

[B]

Yeah. What would you say?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Go ahead, tell us.

[A]

Oh, God, no. I would say let them all in. No, I'm. You know.

[B]

You don't think so?

[A]

No, I do. I'm doing the zway thing now. You trying to. You already tried to do it with the halftime show.

[B]

The halftime show? Well, we weren't recording when we talked about that.

[A]

Okay. I shouldn't have brought it.

[B]

The. You didn't. You didn't like Kendrick's halftime show?

[A]

I loved it. I thought it was a work of art.

[B]

Oh, you're sick.

[A]

Was this my camera? It was an absolute work of art, and I think more halftime shows should be like that. I think there should be a deep message, and it should really make us think. And I love what he did.

[B]

What was the deep message that really spoke to you about his.

[A]

Well, you know, the one message, the first one he did, and then the one after the third message, that one really set.

[B]

Well, that, like, went home.

[A]

Yeah, that. That. That hit home for me.

[B]

Okay. And so before the recording, just so everyone knows, you were kind of saying that you didn't like the halftime show.

[A]

I wasn't entertained by the set list.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And as I was badgered online and forced to understand that it wasn't supposed to be entertaining, but I'm also like, I'm doing this thing where I'm not, like, on social media as much. So when I'm criticizing the halftime show, I didn't know there was, like, a mobile. Well, I should have known of racist white people just on the performance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the conversation got mingled in with this. You know, we couldn't understand what Kendrick was saying, and it was the worst show ever. So the people defending them, it looked like you was just on some coon shit. Cause here you are trashing Kendrick and he got all these Republicans, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Trashing them, too.

[B]

So kind of look at who. Who you're surrounded by.

[A]

Exactly. So I shouldn't have. I should have just did what I normally do. Just scroll online and not post.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I was interested in your opinion. I really liked it, and I really, truly.

[A]

Caleb, you did it and I did. That's what's upsetting to me. What did you love about it?

[B]

I loved. I loved Samuel L. Jackson in it. I loved everything that he did. I loved his outfit. I loved his fun energy. I love Kendrick's outfit.

[A]

His fun energy.

[B]

His fun energy.

[A]

That's what you call Serena.

[B]

I love her fun energy. I love Scissor. I love her fun energy. I thought everyone was having fun energy. I like the American flag with the bodies.

[A]

I think you enjoyed the halftime show because you knew it was going to take attention off of Casey.

[B]

That's an interesting theory. I'm open to it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think I enjoy all of. I liked the set list. I like Kendrick songs. I like. I like.

[A]

Name three of the songs.

[B]

Name three of Kendrick's songs that he did on that set list. He did. He did. Dodger Blue. He did. No, he did Peekaboo. He did Peekaboo and not Dodger Blue. He did Peekaboo. He did. I actually don't know the name of Not Like Us. The Drake.

[A]

Not Like Us, is it?

[B]

Just not like us. He did Peekaboo. He did not like us. And he did. I can't think of any of it. My left stroke just went viral. Humble.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I like all those songs.

[A]

I'll mail you.

[B]

I'm not saying I'm a kid. What?

[A]

I'll mail you my black heart.

[B]

Thank you. I've been waiting. I've been waiting for that.

[A]

No, here's my beef. Fuck it, because it happened off camera. Then you accused me of being a Drake fan, which is like.

[B]

That's what it's looking like.

[A]

I'm a 100% J. Cole. First J. Cole fan, and then Kendrick and then Drake.

[B]

You seem like a J. Cole as number one guy.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[B]

You got those vibes.

[A]

Yeah. Rob. Rob.

[B]

You came in here in a big scarf.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait. J. Cole gives you big scarf vibes?

[B]

You a guy, a sweet, sensitive guy like you who walks in here in sunglasses and a big scarf. If you said, name his number one, I'd say J. Cole.

[A]

I like how you had to zhuzh it up like a big scarf and sunglasses.

[B]

You had a big. You had a big diva moment. You walked in here in a fabulous coat.

[A]

I was coming from Target. I shouldn't say that online. I'm boycotting Target, but. Yeah.

[B]

What are you boycotting Target for?

[A]

Cause they got rid of the Internet, told me to.

[B]

That had racial undertones. Yeah, what you just said about Target.

[A]

Cause they got rid of DEI or some shit.

[B]

I'm trying to turn it back on you now.

[A]

Exactly. No, I did, because, first of all, look, this is what y'all need to know about Caleb, okay? He's talking all this shit about me coming in, feeling flying, loving myself on this rainy day. And his moral. What? I don't even know how to say it. Moral mural is hanging right on the wall, right on sunset.

[B]

They have my face painted out front right now. Yeah.

[A]

If you come down sunset, it's a big face of Caleb.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And right there on the wall.

[B]

Did that bother you?

[A]

And it. It intimidated me. It was given dictator. I wish the people at Headgum wink if you are safe.

[B]

And there's not a wink in the room. And there's not a wink in the room. I think I'd be a good dictator. You'd be safe.

[A]

I would be.

[B]

I'd take care of you. I appreciate you in that situation.

[A]

Is this like a Kim Jong Il, Dennis Rodman type thing?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, cool. All right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I like their bromance. Yeah.

[B]

You're my Dennis Rodman in that scenario. Yep. I'm going to take care of you. I'm going to fly you out, play.

[A]

Basketball with you in Sweethearts. You did a good job in that.

[B]

You watched that?

[A]

I did and I watched it. I didn't let my cousin know I knew you. Cuz I wanted their honest, like, opinion. Cuz I don't want to say, oh, I know they lied, like. Okay. But.

[B]

So what happened? Your cousin. What, they think they liked it? Do they like me in it? Yeah. What you think of the movie?

[A]

I was. No. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Cause it's hard talking to Caleb. Cause he takes everything as a dis. I liked it because it wasn't you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the thing I was worried about is, like, I wonder if people who don't know you will see you and be like, oh, he's that gay dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause you. And that's tip to you, acting like you're so not the guy. Like, I'm in France. I'm making batons and no one wants to come to my party. Like, you're not that.

[B]

You know, I'm honestly glad to hear you say that because there were a lot of people in the. In the comments, in the. You know, I had to share some of the posts from hbo. A lot of people being like, oh, my God, not Caleb Heron just playing himself.

[A]

I was like. I was like, are you sure they're idiots. Anybody who knows, you know, that wasn't. And that's what I liked. I'm like, oh, he's really acting.

[B]

Did you like the movie?

[A]

I did like the movie. I'm being genuine. And then. Cause I know the. I don't know her name, but the actress.

[B]

Kieran.

[A]

Yeah. So I've seen her before. I was very familiar with her. I think she was in A Madman, and she's done a few other stuff. And then I was happy to be introduced to the actor Nico. Cause I hadn't seen him before. And I'm like, okay, this is cool. I don't know what ethnicity is, but I was like, that's cool to see, you know, something different. Cause they could have easily just wadded it up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I don't know if he's, like, Filipino or, like, Bruno Mars.

[B]

His. His. I don't know if his.

[A]

Which is another rant, by the way.

[B]

His ethnicity might be Filipino. His ethnicity might be Bruno Mars, but I believe his dad's Japanese.

[A]

I'm being genuine. It was good. But I'm also biased because you're just watching, like, your friends and people you like and you want to see win in it. So I'm watching it from that. Like, I didn't know I'm a butcher's name, but I love his stuff. Stravis. Stravis.

[B]

Stuffy.

[A]

Yes. It was fun seeing him in there, you know, I mean, like, things like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I enjoyed it from a biased lens. But I really like that you were acting, because now I'm starting to make that transition into, like, film and tv, and I'm realizing, like, oh, this is a whole nother beast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I just played a mechanic, and I don't know shit about being a mechanic at all. What'd you play mechanic in Just a project. I can't talk about it yet.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I don't want to sound like that sounds so fucking.

[B]

No. My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

[A]

No, no, no. My bad. That fucking big. I just. They didn't give me a check yet. If they would have gave me the check, then I'll tell you.

[B]

You played a mechanic.

[A]

I played a mechanic.

[B]

Did you have to, like, talk a lot about car shit?

[A]

Worse. Right. All I had to do was because they had, like, a B roll thing, and all I had to do was, like, go around the shop outside of my lines. My lines weren't really, like, mechanic y, but I had to go around the shop and do mechanic things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they had to call in, like, a actual mechanic to show me what to do, because at first they were like, all right, we'll go over there and just work in that station. And I'm like. And do what? What the am I over here doing? I don't know what the fuck to do. So they called the guy, and he was showing me, like, he was off to the side, like, grab the screwdriver and look at it and grab a this and this and that. But he got frustrating because at one point, I'm under a car with, like, a flashlight looking at I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at, and he's like, twist the oil rig or something. I'm making. I don't know what the fuck it was. He was like, twist the oil rig. And I snapped. I was like, what the fuck is that? Like, I don't know. Point to it, nigga. I don't know where the fuck the oil rig is at. He's just saying the oil. So then I had to do looking like an idiot, so I had to grab it and, like, pretend I knew what I was doing. And then I was like, oh, okay. This is why Daniel Day Lewis prepares my small mechanic scene. Made me identify with my peer, Daniel Day Lewis.

[B]

Your peer? Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And it was then. I wish I had done the research and the backstory to be a mechanic, but what.

[B]

What's the dream? What would you. What would you. What was, like, the role you'd love.

[A]

To have a lawyer.

[B]

A lawyer?

[A]

Corrupt lawyer.

[B]

You'd be good at that.

[A]

Yeah, I love a good you. Well, I guess that's a compliment.

[B]

That's a compliment. Yeah.

[A]

I. I just love a fat, corrupt lawyer.

[B]

Just gonna be Southern.

[A]

I wish I could. I don't think there's black Southern ones. No. Like the. The type of the fat, black, white Southern, like, Colonel Sanders lawyer.

[B]

Oh, there's those guys, for sure. There's corrupt Southern black lawyers, I believe. I believe you could be that.

[A]

I haven't seen one.

[B]

You could be corrupt black and Southern. People can do that these days.

[A]

Oh, do you mean like, Johnny Cochran type Southern, like Johnny Cochran?

[B]

Was he corrupt I mean.

[A]

You getting me in trouble, man. The Black History Month. What the fuck? Edit all this shit out. I'm not. I didn't talk shit about Kendra. I'm not doing this on Black History Month.

[B]

I didn't. And to be clear, I didn't ask you to. You. You did really good, though, when I said fun energy. You did. You did almost get me on that. And that was good for Black History Month.

[A]

I thought, oh, fuck you, man. Just.

[B]

You should. You could take me down a peg during Black History Month, maybe insult me or something.

[A]

No, I want to go after the real. I'm tired of this, like, California attacking white guys who clearly aren't racist. Like, I want to go for swastika on the forehead.

[B]

That's the ones you want.

[A]

Yeah. He could do UFC and kick my ass. Like, I want to go for the real. Like, when I'm in the south, when I'm in Austin doing shows in a room full of conservatives, I go fucking hard, dude. I don't hold back on the material on here. I talk about all that shit because I talk about how, like, I just think they're afraid of irrational shit. Right? Like drag queen bus drivers and. Yeah, yeah, you know, whatever.

[B]

Things that aren't happening.

[A]

Yeah, things that aren't happening. So I wouldn't take you down the peg.

[B]

How do you feel about drag queens? You like drag queens?

[A]

I respect them. Because if I was a drag queen, I would be very lazy. This would be my aesthetic. This would be my drag look.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Just lazy, butch drag.

[B]

I know drag queens that do shit like this.

[A]

Do they?

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, they need the $50.

[B]

Yeah, it's more than 50.

[A]

Okay. The ones in Sacramento.

[B]

Okay, I'm paying. What was your Bruno Mars take that?

[A]

Hot Juicing Wet is the worst fucking song.

[B]

I've never heard that.

[A]

Oh, Jesus Christ. Can we play a snippet of it?

[B]

Hot, juicy, and wet.

[A]

I don't know if it's. Man.

[B]

Oh, it's new. Well, you know, he's on that new song Opposite Opportunity. You know that one?

[A]

What is that?

[B]

I hate that. The.

[A]

Is that the one with Gaga?

[B]

I hate that song. We can play a little bit of it. We'll bleep it in the actual thing.

[A]

Yeah, okay. You can play the music.

[B]

Yeah, but it. It's so those. I hate that. Yeah, it's taken over from that. Someone put me up a double shot of whiskey. I hate that song.

[A]

Now you're going after the one black country singer.

[B]

I like that he's doing.

[A]

Now you have a boozy.

[B]

Sorry. Didn't Beyonce just win a country Grammy? So. So he's not the only one. No, I like that he's doing country music, but I don't like that song. I don't like it at all.

[A]

Why not?

[B]

Why? Yeah, I think it's annoying.

[A]

Got you.

[B]

Someone bummed me up a double shadow. I just don't the. I don't the. The whole thing about it grinds my gears. It feels like. It feels like a Florida Georgia Line song. And I don't like Florida Georgia Line.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're white.

[A]

Do they got that song about day drinking or no?

[B]

Florida Georgia Line.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's their big one? Is it make me want to roll my windows down and cruise?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, that's it too.

[B]

You like country music?

[A]

I grew up on. My grandma loved country music. She was from the south, so I grew up on, like 90s country. And so it's. To me, that was like a really good error.

[B]

Love her. Yeah, love grandma. She. Me and her, we'd get along.

[A]

No, y'all would. Y'all would. Yeah, she was cool. She just. That whole country music air, like they had like a boom or like a blow up. Like in that 90s era.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People was coming out with all kind of. That's.

[B]

Garth Brooks was like on fire. Biggest. Like he was. He was like. They were shutting down cities for him.

[A]

Yeah. People like Tracy Lawrence. And there was this one chick, I think she got caught doing coke. Jody Messina.

[B]

Jody Messina's real. As you remember, Jody Messina heads Carolina Tales, California.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Oh, I love Jody Messina.

[A]

Country. So that whole era, not the house I grew up in, too, we had like so many different generations. So my grandma played blues and country. She was from the South. My dad was really big into jazz and like Sarah Vaughn, which I tease him for because he's like a older black, homophobic man. But his music tastes like every young black gay dude in Brooklyn just playing jazz and Sarah Vaughn and shit. And then my cousins, you know, just all like hip hop, rap, and R and B. So we kind of really grew up in like this like, just musical household of just all these different genres.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, country was one of them. Like, I pretend to hate it in public, but of course.

[B]

But behind closed doors, it's like Jody's hidden.

[A]

And I also have another beef with you. You that show. And Casey is the reason why I like the song Wonderball.

[B]

Wonder. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So at the end of the show. Sorry if I butchered their name. I think it was snail mail and wax. A hatchet.

[B]

Waxahachie. Yep.

[A]

I've always heard the song Wonder Ball, but I've just dismissed it. And then they did a cover of it, and I heard the lyrics for the first fucking time, and I fell in love. I went back home playing that shit all of my house. Are you my Wonder Woman? All that shit? Yeah. It's now stuck in my head.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

But it's always you luring me into white shenanigans I don't want you to engage in. I think the first show I did with you, somebody was getting a tattoo of an apple on stage.

[B]

Yeah, they got a tattoo on stage. That's way too long.

[A]

That's a way too.

[B]

That was a bad idea.

[A]

But the intentions were good behind it.

[B]

It was fun. Someone getting a tattoo on stage was fun, but it was. They took way too long. I was doing. I was doing different stuff back then.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was trying things out.

[A]

How's the shows now? Are they conservative? Oh, are you turning on the other side now? You going conservative?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's where the money's at, though. Exactly.

[B]

I got a little bit of money and I said, hey, I was kidding earlier. I was playing around in my 20s.

[A]

Are there conservative trump lesbians? Are they out there?

[B]

Oh, yeah, I'll find them. I'll find them. Yeah, I'll find them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, the show's now. I would like to get back to doing some experimental stuff. I'm just so tired. I don't know how you. You do so many shows, dude. I don't know how you do that.

[A]

I want to stop. I want to stop. I think this last project I did was the first time I just. Cause they flew us out to Miami, and we had down days. I think I was on set like two days. So for the rest of the week, I just got to just chill out in Miami, which to me is one of the most beautiful cities with the worst people.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Fucking hate Floridans. But they don't deserve that metropolis and that beauty, that Haven they're in. But that was the first time I just got to chill, relax, not do anything. But I do know what you mean. Like, when you out doing shows on the road, you think you're gonna take time to sleep, take care of your health. You don't. Yeah, you're in a hotel room to the show starts. You know what I mean? At least you try to socialize, from what I hear, and go out and, like, have dinners and meet up with friends.

[B]

Yeah, I do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But that's because I do less shows. I don't do shows really anymore.

[A]

The road sucks. I'm not built for the road, but it's how I make a living. So, yeah, I do it.

[B]

Yeah. Do you drive ever or do you mostly fly it?

[A]

I like to drive. When it's from. If it's the Bay Area to la, I like to drive, but I'll fly, like, if it's from here to the. You know, like if it's way too far. Texas or Arizona, something like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I like to drive because that's the only time I get to play, like, my setback. So you can listen to like an hour of your set, a podcast. You could, you know, play a whole album. I miss, like, just playing whole albums. I never have the attention span to do it. So when I'm driving, I could just review somebody's whole album. So I like driving it. It just puts me in a peaceful mode.

[B]

You're driving and listening to your whole set?

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

I'd love to see that.

[A]

Oh, you making it sound, like, narcissistic.

[B]

I know that comics do that. I know the comics.

[A]

It makes me cringe, though. I hate it. I'm like, jesus Christ. Like, when I watch this, I'm like, what the fuck? I hate hearing and listening to myself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But because I. Stage right. So I'll take a joke on stage and I'll work it out. I know where I want to start and finish and I'll just play it out on stage and then I listen back and then I'll refine it. Yeah, because I hate stage writers who pretend they're stage writers and they just go up in bullshit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, no, you're just fucking around and you're lazy. Like, I actually go up there, let the jokes play out and then go back my. Okay, this work, this work. They didn't like that and I listened to it. So it's a painful task, but I have to do it to get the, you know, jokes refined.

[B]

The good stuff.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But I'm not just listening. Like, oh, I crushed it. Let me hear this.

[B]

When I. If the couple times I've listened back to my set, it's only for that.

[A]

Oh, geez.

[B]

It's only so I can be like, killed it, killed it. Murdered.

[A]

You a dope stand up. And you. I think when I first met you kind of undersold it.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

You like, you're not really a stand up or something or.

[B]

I'm not a stand up. You stand up.

[A]

But you're good at it, though.

[B]

Thanks, dude.

[A]

I Thought you were bad. I thought. Because the way you were saying, like, I believed you. I was like, oh, this is a cool dude. Probably sucks to stand up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then I saw you light it up, dude. And the largo. I think the largo is when I was really impressed. You had this long bit about this weird tour guide at the Holocaust. Yeah. Some crazy lady. I'm like, this nigga's brilliant.

[B]

Thank you, Kyrie. So.

[A]

No, for real. But you undersold it, though. So I was like, oh, he sucks.

[B]

What's the. What's the. What's the worst show you've ever had? You know it. You think of it.

[A]

Damn. So. Oh, it probably was during the pandemic. Like, just any show where, like, the heating lamps will go out. You're bombing outside of a winery.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Your voice is echoing through the fucking alley. Yeah, yeah, probably those shows, man. I think those outdoor pandemic shows, that's probably everybody, though.

[B]

Yeah. I didn't do any of the zoom things. No. Every zoom thing, I was like, absolutely not.

[A]

You missed out on absolute pain.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Yo, so needed that little. The confidence you have today is probably. Cause you skipped. The reason we all don't have the confidence you have is probably because we went through that gauntlet of.

[B]

You don't think you have. You don't think that you have the confidence I have.

[A]

You know, I'm just saying that on Facebook, I think I. I have a different kind of confidence. I have, like, a grounded confidence of, like. No, it's. That sounds. Let me explain. No, it's grounded. And I meant grounded in, like, cynicism, like. And so, for example, when I'm on set, when you actors don't tell themselves they're doing bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean? Like, they just like, oh, I'm crushing it. It's fake it till you make it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm in a standup way of, like, I like bombing and sucking. Because then I get to go in and, like, fix it and get it right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when I'm on set, I want to know, like, oh, is this bad? Or what can I work on and how can I do this? So my confidence coming to the fact. I don't know if that makes sense or that sounds like jabber. My confidence comes from the sense of, like, I'm self aware enough to go in and prove and make it right, and then it will be good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I don't do the delusional shit. Like, oh, I'm just killing it, and.

[B]

I do no You.

[A]

Oh, my God, no. Well, maybe you do. I don't know. But you back it up, though. It'd be different if you didn't back it up.

[B]

I. Well, you. The confidence thing has come up a couple times. I just find. I just thought that was kind of an interesting. An interesting thing, man.

[A]

Look, I hate to break it to you all. I remember back to Joe's. There was this older white man who looked like he just got done dropping his son off at gay conversion camp. And you chatted him up.

[B]

Oh, I'll talk.

[A]

He became a fan of yours immediately.

[B]

I'll chit chat.

[A]

Like, it's like a politician energy, though, you think? Not in a negative way. Like in a good way.

[B]

You think I could run for office?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Would you ever run for office?

[A]

No, I'm. No. Hell no.

[B]

I think you'd be good at it.

[A]

I couldn't hold it together.

[B]

You'd hate it, but I think you'd be good at it.

[A]

Yeah. No, I couldn't hold it together.

[B]

He was like a city councilman. Oh, I could see it.

[A]

Oh, yeah. No, if it's lower level, definitely, I'd.

[B]

Vote for you in a heartbeat.

[A]

Like, there was this guy on Tick Tock named Eric Mays, and he was so unhinged. He was like an older black man. And there was this white lady who just used to irritate him. They used to argue back and forth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's like lower level government, so no one gave a. I could do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I could be on city council and just argue with people.

[B]

And I see that for you. Yeah, I really see that for you.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

I see you doing comedy more, but I could see you. I'd vote for you to be my city council person.

[A]

Man. I want to. Maybe I'll come to Missouri and try.

[B]

Come Missouri and try.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't see why not. Do you. What do you think the. There's a lot of. Like, you perform for all kinds of rooms. I've seen you kill for all kinds of rooms. A lot. A lot of white folks. A lot of black folks. I've seen you kill everywhere. I think there's a. A lot of white comics in LA who have never performed for a black audience. Do you think what is the difference between performing for, like, a black audience and a white audience? Is there a big one?

[A]

Going back to confidence? I think when I'm in black audiences, they're there. They're rooting for you. Right. They want to see when. So self deprecation doesn't work. As much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In white rooms you can self deprecate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that joke sucked. I'm a fucking loser in black rooms. They don't want to hear that. Just a little bit of confidence, owning what you're saying. Get into the jokes, get into the pure funny. None of that I learned in that improv class of chasing the clever and you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not saying that black rooms aren't clever, but they just want you to be funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, hey, we came here to laugh. Don't do. I had a phase where I was doing wokes. I'll do these like really like woke ity woke. Like just preachy ass jokes and people like, what the. We don't want to hear that.

[B]

When was that you were you. You feel like your material was really like woke and just like preachy it.

[A]

During the pandemic. Right around that pandemic era, because that's when a lot of protests was going around. So I just had this thought of like, I gotta have the most prolific, you know, view on this. And yeah. Just there was a lot of imitating that Chappelle era of like, you know, my grandfather, you know, that kind of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if that makes sense. Like it does.

[B]

It just was surprising to me because I've been watching you for years and I've never felt that you were going for the woke.

[A]

What? You only see me in good settings, like shows at the Largo, stuff like that. I forced myself to sneak up to Sacramento, Northern California, where I could bomb in peace. Because they know me up there, they know I can do well. So when I bomb, there's no judgment. You know what I mean? I could bomb in peace. I can make all the mistakes I wanna make. Then when I come out and do the good shows, the jokes are polished and written out, but to me it's all about like, if I can't be creative and be ugly in the moment while I'm creating, I don't like it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what LA had became for a while. I felt like I couldn't create here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I would sneak away and go back to. Back to Sacramento. But that's what I think is appealing about New York right now. New York feels like a city you could create and just be about to stand up and be in the moment.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think so for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What. What's so true to you, Curry?

[A]

To me, something that's so true I'm finding now, man, is. Is health as well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I Know, that's kind of like. That might seem like a downer, but just I'm loving what I'm doing right now. I like where my career is starting to go, and I want to be alive and healthy and energetic for it. Yeah, I did. I was on set one day and it got really late and I'm like, I'm ready to fucking go. I don't give a fuck about the rest of the scene. My feet hurt. I want to lay the fuck down. You know what I mean? But just, I was so excited to be there. I stayed in it, but I want to be able to have that energy and that where I don't know if you seem very energetic. I don't have the energy a lot of times. And now that I'm starting to put health first, I'm feeling that energy. I'm being present in these places.

[B]

So what does putting health first look like for you?

[A]

Not eating, like on the road, man. When I travel, I eat like dog.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't eat healthy. I don't. You know, it's like the little things, right? Like grocery shopping or meal prepping. Everybody says meal prep, but who the is really about to meal prep?

[B]

A lot of people from what I'm seeing. But it's hard to do. It's like a time consuming task.

[A]

I'm not one of them. I'm not about to cut up strawberries and a chicken breast and put it with broccoli when I could just go to Arby's and you know.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, but you're trying to do less of that.

[A]

Trying to do less of that. Yeah. And I'm not trying to be one of those annoying. Like, I hate when fat people lose weight and it becomes like their narrative. It's like, it's so like, fact. Losing weight is one of the things where people will see. You don't have to tell them, yeah, like, I lost 50 pounds and I just had. I'm like, I'm not posting this on, you know, yeah, 50 pounds. So I can get those reactions. Like, keep it up, buddy.

[B]

Like, no, go, king, go.

[A]

Yeah, go. Like, no, that I lost 50 pounds. I can't tell. Like, one day I'ma just pop up and I'm like, okay, you lost weight. I see it.

[B]

I'm not gonna be able to see you no more. Turn to the side. Oh, God, no, I would. Health is a good way to put it, though. I'm not interested in losing weight. Have no interest in losing weight. But I definitely. I do have interest, energy. I like I feel very. I. I move my body all the time. I love walking. I love. I love getting in a walk before I know I have, like, a really long day of sitting. I like eating. I like eating vegetables and things. Like, I like. Like, you're saying, like, before a show, I used to. When I first started going on the road, I'd be like, holy. I'm only in. I'm only in Dallas for 24 hours. I get one good meal here. If it's three hours before the show, I'm gonna go have the most barbecue I can find, because I love barbecue, and I want to experience the city.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Learning not to make those choices right is like. Yeah. But I. I think for me, health is like. Health doesn't necessarily mean weight loss. Health doesn't necessarily mean starving yourself. It definitely actually doesn't mean that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To me, health is like, do you feel good?

[A]

Do you feel good?

[B]

Do you have issues? Is your doctor worried about you? How many medications do you require to get through your day? Nothing wrong with needing medications to get through the day. It just depends on what the situation is. But, like, I'm not on any meds. My doctor has no concerns. I like my energy level. I feel good most of the time. So to me, I am healthy.

[A]

You are.

[B]

And, you know, people online have different opinions of that, but it's like, they're not in my body. They don't live as me, you know?

[A]

But you seem like you don't let that, like, phase you or get you at all.

[B]

No, most of the time, I'm able to like, block that stuff out. I mean, there. Of course, there are days where I'm like, I would just give anything to not have strangers commenting on my body today. But, you know, you can't. It's, like, part of it. Yeah, Just like you can't. You can't shut it off.

[A]

Yeah, true. And as long as you don't do it, I think that's big. I think I do. I watch myself back, and I'd be like, overanalyze. I'm like, oh, that shit don't matter. Like, you know, don't. That's in your head.

[B]

What's in your head?

[A]

Like, when you just kind of critique yourself and you see yourself, like, on screen and shit like that, you know?

[B]

Oh, yeah. I don't do that.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. I'm at the point now where I'm like, I love me. I love the way I look. I love who I am. I love everything about it. I'M not trying to change or. Yeah, that has to get edited out. I'm sorry.

[B]

Why would that get out of now? That's beautiful.

[A]

No, that sounds too, like, oh, I love my journey now. I am role playing for Lizzo now. I'm doing method work now. But, no, I'm just.

[B]

I think it's lovely.

[A]

No, because I, you know, I want to keep it, like, funny and light, but I. I did get to a point where I just stopped hating myself. And not in a negative way, but, like, all those. Those negative thoughts I would have, like, the doubt and all that shit. I've done too much now in my career to show, like, okay, hey, you on the right path. Like, it's just staying the course and, like, doing the work and all those things I used to convince myself of, like, oh, I can't do this, I can't do that. I've proven it. I've done that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So now I'm in a. Like, a place where I'm like, hey, man, look, just you doing something right? You know what I mean? Whatever the fuck it is, just do that, Stick with the work. And, you know, I think you're doing a lot right. I'm trying to, man. I'm trying to.

[B]

If anyone asks me who my favorite comedians are, I'm like, Kyrie Shabazz.

[A]

I appreciate that, man. And it's. It means more coming from you. I hope you know that. Like, the respect you get from us, I know you hate compliments and shit, but the respect you get from your peers, man, it's. You wouldn't bullshit, you wouldn't fake. And I think you champion the people that you're around, and we appreciate that. And the cynical comic of me, I love the challenge when I'm around you because I feel like I have to maintain a level of, like, you know, improv, positive. Like, I'd be trying to want to, like, bust your ball sometimes and, like, on you and, you know, and. But I know, Like, I feel terrible.

[B]

Yeah, I know it's love, but do you.

[A]

Like, I'd be nervous. Like, I don't know how to.

[B]

No, no, I always know. Because the thing is, you can tell when someone's giving you. Like, when you and I give each other a hard time, I'm like, yeah, we love each other. I'm like, this is my friend. Like, we're like, I would do anything for you. I know that you would do anything for me. Like, I respect everything you do. You respect what I do. You can definitely tell when people are like, Trying to friendly rib you, but they really do want you to be like, taken down a notch or something. And that is such a funny energy to me because I'm like, why? Why would you be? Why? Especially when you're in community with someone. It's like, don't you want all your community to win?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why wouldn't you want other comics that you're working with and doing shows with to win? That's good for everybody.

[A]

Can I tell you one time I really did, like, hate you. It was no. Cause I gotta get out. Cause I didn't. I bit my tongue that day and I regretted it for, like so many months.

[B]

What was it? What'd I do?

[A]

It was back in Kansas City and we. What was the name of the restaurant that was like, out. It was like a late night diner spot. It was like they served, like, Town topic. It might have been. Okay, you have to wait outside the window.

[B]

Town topic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

We're in Kansas City. It's freezing fucking cold. It's right after the show and you say, oh, shit, I think I smoke too much. I'm too high.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, oh, he just saying that he's not too high. No, you are loaded. So you high as you enjoying life and loving life. Everyone's around you. They just feeding off your energy. And we go to get food at that spot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it is freezing cold. I am the only one there. Freezing, dying. There's a line at this diner. So it's like a 30 minute wait on food.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm like, okay, we gotta be in a freezing cold. We gotta get this food. We gotta wait, we'll get the food, go back in the car.

[B]

I don't know. I don't remember any of this.

[A]

But I'm so nervous because you were yo high ass. You get your food and y'all start eating onion rings and fries outside of the spot in the freezing cold.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm sitting there like, can we get in the car? And I want to eat my grilled cheese and burger in warm.

[B]

Why didn't you say something?

[A]

I was too afraid.

[B]

So I made you stand in the cold and eat this food Because I.

[A]

Don'T want to be like. Because everybody was vibing everybody. Like, y'all was having a good white time. I'd be a jeep. Like, y'all were all out there in the cold and like, you ain't want to be the one person. I am cold. Like, everybody else is in a group laughing and sharing stories and. And I'm in the car with the heat on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm trying to be a trooper. Like, okay, maybe Caleb will real like, it's late. It's freezing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's get the out of here.

[B]

No such luck.

[A]

You were just high and giggling, shoving onion rings in your face. I had never been more upset at a human being than that day. But you were having a good time, and you just had a good show. So I'm like, you can stand in the cold and catch pneumonia.

[B]

Yeah, a little bit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I had so much fun when you came to Kansas City.

[A]

Oh, man, it was a fun show. I didn't expect to like the city. I. Cause, you know, people hype up their city.

[B]

Totally. Everyone's like, my city's the best. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It really was a good city. And the best thing about that day. The best thing. My chauffeur for the day was Holmes Holmes pulling up in a brown Audi. Let's go on some new journey. She's going down. I love when Holmes is in, like, a new journey or phase.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

I want to hear all, like, I'm just sit there and just stare at her and let her just these new revelations and epiphanies. I love. And I mean that genuinely. I love her to death.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think then she was just quitting smoking weed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think she said, Snoop Dogg has stopped smoking weed.

[B]

She's off that, by the way.

[A]

Oh, she's back to it.

[B]

She was. She was in my bed in Kansas City. We got so stoned a couple nights ago.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In my bed watching Hairspray with me. Blazed, blazed out of our minds.

[A]

Another row you could.

[B]

Oh, now. Now we're talking.

[A]

Okay. You'll do Hairspray.

[B]

Oh, I would love the John Travolta roll in Hairspray. Get me in there. Yeah, I left on my iron. Oh, I want in.

[A]

I wanted to ask you this too. Do you ever get compared to.

[B]

Why are you doing this?

[A]

Cam from Modern Family?

[B]

Yeah, of course. I get compared to Eric Stone Street.

[A]

Oh, Jesus.

[B]

He's from Kansas City as well.

[A]

Get the out of here.

[B]

And he's his character in that show, like, went to Missouri State and loves football. It's like a real. Like, they. They jacked my whole.

[A]

They did. You need residuals, man? You stole Joe.

[B]

Yeah, they. They let Eric Stonestreet limp up his wrists and put on those floral shirts and jack my whole.

[A]

But would you ever have a Mitchell?

[B]

What? Do you. Would I have a husband?

[A]

No, not a Mitchell. What do you mean like a orange otter? Like a not otter. Is he.

[B]

He is, but why are you locked in on the gay terms?

[A]

Stop acting like it's not all over social media in the world. Like it's not that hard sometimes.

[B]

I'm impressed by your allyship. That's all I am impressed by your allies. You love the community. You're real.

[A]

I know everything about. Not everything, but. Yeah. I know stuff about culture and Would.

[B]

I do a ginger? Would I marry a ginger guy? Sure, if the right one came along. Okay, who do you see from. What do you see? For my husband, Because I'm looking. I'm on the hunt.

[A]

I want something. That's not what. It's going to shock people because I think if you go with like, Asian husband, that's like, on track.

[B]

Really? Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Like, you can't do a Mitchell.

[B]

Okay. No gingers, no Asian people.

[A]

It got to be like a.

[B]

We should probably talk about that off camera at some point.

[A]

Maybe. Like, I don't know. It can't be a Samoan.

[B]

I can't have a Samoan husband.

[A]

It gotta be like a. I don't know if this is a slur, but like a vato. Like a. Like a cholo.

[B]

Like a. I don't think vato is a slur.

[A]

Dude, could you imagine showing up to your fucking fancy HBO meetings and shit, introducing your husband. It's like, eh. Like he's just.

[B]

Yeah, that one. That got close.

[A]

Okay, that one's gonna. Yeah. See What? Don't do podcasts. Listen, this was a practice podcast. Please put it in the archives.

[B]

I've dated. I've dated Mexican guys. Yeah, I'm down.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Rock on.

[A]

But like, real. Like cholo.

[B]

No. When I think of a cholo, I don't think it reminds me of any of the guys I've dated necessarily. Yeah, but I've dated all kinds of. There. I don't think there's a type of guy you could name that I haven't had a moment with.

[A]

Whoever you do date are married, you have to share them with your whole friend group. Like, everybody would just immediately.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Absorb them. Yeah.

[B]

They got to get in. Yeah. They gotta. Gotta get along with my people.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

That is the number one thing in dating that I'm okay for. I'm like, my, My. When I go on a first date with someone, if I can't imagine my mom, my aunt, my friends from college, my friends from high school, my comedian friends. Like, if every kind of person in my life wouldn't like you, I'm just like, this isn't going to work. It's too. It's too much about. I'll never, ever, ever understand in a million years when your friend pops up with someone that no one in the friend group likes and then they stay with them. I'm like, we were here first. This person sucks. What? Just because they're you.

[A]

But then, see, my philosophy is, I like. My idea was like, you got your own thing that's separate.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

That's. And then we have our thing in the middle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I don't need you a part of my friend group. I don't need to be a part of yours. Like, family is different, but friend group.

[B]

No, to me, my friends have to like you now. I don't need you to abandon your friend group. I want you to definitely bring your own rich life to our rich life. Like, I want to build something cool together as well.

[A]

You saying that now, but you.

[B]

I. I don't need you to necessarily be. I don't want you to, like, become best friends with my friends. I don't want the breakup to get confusing if that ever comes. I know that is tough, but I do want my people to. You don't need the. Your friends to like your person.

[A]

No. Imagine you hit homes up to hang out and she's already hanging out with your husband.

[B]

Oh, that'd be beautiful.

[A]

No, it. You say that now, you wouldn't like that.

[B]

Wouldn't that be special?

[A]

No. They met up behind your back. Not behind your back, but. No, not like that. But like, that's weird. Like, y'all made plans already.

[B]

Cute.

[A]

That's not though. I like that because here's why. Here's my rule. I tell people it's three things that happen when friends and your partner mix. One is the obvious. They either start.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. And they. They get together.

[B]

I don't think I'm at risk with Holmes, but. Okay.

[A]

Never know.

[B]

You never know. Yeah. Yeah. They are pretty devious.

[A]

But. And sorry too, if I'm misgendering Holmes on.

[B]

She'd have to.

[A]

The other one too is that either they become really good friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then, you know, it's kind of like that weird. Like, you know, they're keeping secrets now and shit. And I sound like I have trust issues, but I was gonna say it's.

[B]

Seeming a little bit like you might have some baggage around this. Nah.

[A]

Cause you. You ain't grow up in where I'm from. Yeah. It gets complicated. Or they hate each other. Right. And so now they can't get along and be in the same room. So I always think, like, just separate. That, like, this is us, we in love. I don't need anybody's opinions about what we got, what we got going on. Cause I need you. And I need to escape them.

[B]

Do you think this is a cultural difference? You said I didn't grow up where you grew up. Do you think this is what we're talking about right here is a cultural divide?

[A]

Probably not. Cause I am projecting, assuming how you grew up. I just seen a lot of just grimy shit. Like you, you know, like, I'm your friend, so if anybody you would. I see your dude doing something grimy, I'm supposed to tell you, yeah. Like, hey, Caleb, you know, your dude was. You know, him and Chase, you know, they went in the bathroom a little long.

[B]

They were in there messing around. Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I wanna have your back. But now imagine me and your dude, we cool now. We friends. And so now that loyalty is tilted on, you know, now I'm keeping secrets for him from you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm like. I think when the friendship tilts like that, then it becomes weird. It's like the loyalty's been. It's like, well, you my friend, and they're my friend, too.

[B]

I like. I like that the angle you're coming at it from is loyalty. That sounds. That makes it make more sense to me.

[A]

I just like to keep it separate. Then it's like, it's less messy, and then it's just like, your friends, man. Like, you want to be able to come to them and talk shit about people and vent. You know what I mean? You don't want that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you come home, you're like, what the fuck?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Holmes came over. Kyrie came over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Damn. I can't stand it.

[B]

Curry, I got to tell you, if I was dating a guy and I found out that you and him went out to lunch without me, that would just light. That would just make my whole day.

[A]

You're gonna be eating good. You gonna feel left out. You gonna feel left the out if.

[B]

I found out y'all went to Golden Corral without me and shut that down.

[A]

Now I'm a trashy hoe, huh? I'm just some trashy Golden Corral.

[B]

There's nothing trashy about Golden Corral.

[A]

Everything is trash about going to crowd.

[B]

You're sick. You just not talk about insulting cultures.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Me and my people are down at the Golden Crowd. I got a game for you, Kyrie.

[A]

What is? Your sponsors don't Read these.

[B]

Don't read these. I'm Gonna read you 15 statements, okay? You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if each one is true or false.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. If you get 10 or more correct, I'm gonna give you 50 US dollars.

[A]

Okay. Good.

[B]

This is huge.

[A]

This is big.

[B]

All right. Coffee is. Coffee is an Italian word for movement.

[A]

No.

[B]

False. Martin Lawrence first special. Martin Lawrence's first special was. You so crazy in 1994.

[A]

No.

[B]

You're saying false.

[A]

False.

[B]

True. The unicorn is the national animal of Scotland.

[A]

No.

[B]

True. All planets in our solar system spin clockwise.

[A]

True.

[B]

False. Only Venus, Cincinnati, Ohio, was the first city to be lit by electricity.

[A]

Why these all qu. How are these Illuminati questions pre made? It's about Ohio and Martin and. God damn it. Yes.

[B]

False. It was Cleveland. Ketchup was once sold as medicine.

[A]

This shit is rigged. You typed that shit up somehow. And fucking ketchup was what?

[B]

Ketchup was once sold as medicine.

[A]

I believe that. That sounds true.

[B]

True. The player in the NBA logo is Pat Riley.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

False. No.

[A]

No. You lying. No. It is.

[B]

No. It's Jerry West. Fuck.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No.

[A]

You know why I'm annoyed by that? Cause I watched Winning Time and I was trying to think of Jerry West. Well, this is a pressure cooker.

[B]

An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

True. Willy Wonka was a real person.

[A]

Get the out of here. This better not be true. False. There's no way he was a real. No, because there was a book about him and he had slave Oompa Loompas. It was written by the. That wrote Peter Pan. There's no way.

[B]

Are you sure?

[A]

I'm positive. He's not. There's no way Willy Wonka. If you talk about Timothy Chalamet. No, Willy Wonka's not real. Okay? It's false.

[B]

The smallest bone in your body is in your ear.

[A]

True.

[B]

True. Only 5% of the ocean has been explored.

[A]

False.

[B]

True. IPads are illegal in Romania.

[A]

True.

[B]

False. The first hot air balloon took to the sky in 1783.

[A]

I have like. What is it when you just give up? I'm a defeatist now. Yeah, what is it?

[B]

What's the first hot air balloon took to the sky in 1783?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's true. The capital of Missouri is St. Louis.

[A]

No.

[B]

False. It's Jefferson City. The oldest bar in Sacramento is Old Ironsides.

[A]

You piece of these baited ass questions. The was Cleveland, Sacramento. Martin on there. God damn it. I'm gonna say. Yeah.

[B]

True. Okay. How do you do eight?

[A]

Oh, short.

[B]

Just short. You did great, though.

[A]

Thank you. I don't feel great.

[B]

You should feel. Eight's really good.

[A]

It's not a real person.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No, that was a. That was up of chance to put that in. In there.

[A]

Yeah. What was the Unicorn.

[B]

Unicorn Scotland or something.

[A]

So you're responsible for making the questions for that game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can we talk off mic?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we will. Don't worry. We will.

[A]

By the way, too this. I knew your podcast to be successful.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

When I watched it and there was a straight white man with a crazy laugh off camera. That's the key.

[B]

That's the key.

[A]

The Tim Dillon method. Man.

[B]

You got to have a straight white guy running things. Yes.

[A]

Could you imagine if you had one of your trans or drag friends running it? It'll be.

[B]

Well, they'd try to take over. You know, they'd want to be front of camera. They wouldn't be. Yeah, right.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And they don't understand podcasting the way that straight white guy. Straight white guys are called to podcasting. Like a siren to the rocks.

[A]

Yeah. It's there.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's their art form. It's their culture.

[B]

I'm just. I'm a visitor in their home.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They know how to do it. Right. No drag queen can be comfortable being off camera.

[B]

No. You know, you ever hung out with a drag queen.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's horrible.

[A]

When they were pleasant.

[B]

They're. They're fine.

[A]

But see, I'm only. I have limited interactions. Right. So it's only like in the green room and.

[B]

Yeah. And public libraries.

[A]

And public libraries. Yeah. Reading to the kids, cruising places.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if they cruise or not, but.

[B]

Yeah. Guess what?

[A]

It's over.

[B]

It was a joy to have you on.

[A]

No, don't say that.

[B]

It was a joy to have you.

[A]

On podcast so much. This is a cool one.

[B]

I'm fighting through this. No, I think you're one of the best comedians living.

[A]

Fuck you for doing this.

[B]

I love you to death.

[A]

This is not. This is not my medium.

[B]

I want you to tell the people where they can find you. Tell people where they can find you.

[A]

Out of nowhere, I will be in my house, pacing back and forth, replaying this interview in my head. Messaging fucking chase. Our chance to edit it. I forgot your name already. That's how frustrated I am. I forgot your goofy, straight white name.

[B]

Fucking.

[A]

Why would you put me through this?

[B]

You need to tell these people where they can find you so they can see you do what you like to do. I guess I got a gun to your head made you do this.

[A]

Follow me on social media. I have a Show coming up August 6th at the Comedy Store. It's a new show. It's gonna be. To me, I think it's gonna be one of the best shows at the store. But, yeah, come through. April 6th. I should have a link somewhere on my page. It'll be there. If you all watching this, what's your handle on Instagram? Kyrie Boz.

[B]

Kyrie, we love you. Thanks for doing it.

[A]

No, this is absolute torture. Thank you.

[B]

That was a Headgum podcast.