Maggie Winters Sees the Comments

Summary

Podcast Summary: "So True with Caleb Hearon" — Episode: "Maggie Winters Sees the Comments"
Date: November 20, 2025
Host: Caleb Hearon | Guest: Maggie Winters
Network: Headgum

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Episode Overview

In this lively and heartfelt episode, comedian Caleb Hearon welcomes fellow comic and podcaster Maggie Winters for a wide-ranging, candid, and very funny conversation. The pair riff on everything from travel and eating habits as working comics, unsolicited advice and Internet comments, to family dynamics, creative ambitions, and what it means to find joy (plus frustrations) in everyday life and career. Both bring their signature mix of self-aware humor and unfiltered honesty, making for an engaging exploration of what’s "so true" in 2025.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Names, Nicknames, and Generational Queerness

• Opening Banter: Caleb jokes about calling Maggie “Marguerite,” which was easier for her French host family to pronounce than “Maggie.”
  • “I just think it's fancy. I like it.” — Caleb [01:39]
• Older Women & Queerness: They discuss the coded queerness in older generations—how women’s close female friendships were often more significant than marriages.
  • “Her deepest, most important relationships with a woman in her life. ... That's a gay woman, honey.” — Caleb [03:17]

2. Chronic Skin Stuff, Chicago, and Brand Gifting

• Eczema Realness: Maggie’s had eczema since birth, leading to funny misidentification stories (“people think it’s ringworm”) [04:09].
• Chicago Nostalgia & Weber Grill: They reminisce about discovering the (in their youths) “super fancy” Weber Grill, only to later realize it’s a very dad-restaurant.
• Brand Gifting: Caleb jokes that as his podcast gets bigger, brands actually send him things just with a mention—sometimes it’s fun, but often it’s junk.
  • “Brands need to stop sending shit. Unless it is extremely cool.” — Caleb [05:36]
  • “Don’t send a hat—send chocolate.” — Maggie [06:01]

3. Travel, Food, and Self-Control on the Road

• The ‘Away Life’ Illusion: Both talk about “away life” vs. “real life”—how being on tour or traveling for work used to feel like a free pass for bad habits, until that lifestyle became the norm and the consequences real.
  • “I have realized my home life is fake and my away life is life.” — Caleb [06:57]
• Airport & Fast Food Rituals: The struggle to break “airport snack” rituals, putting themselves on timeouts (KFC, Flips pretzels).
  • “Every fat person has a thing they’ve had to put themselves on timeout for.” — Caleb [08:16]
  • Maggie’s KFC story, Amsterdam edition: getting high and thinking “there’s no greater food in the world.” [09:20]
• Unbothered by Gross News: Even stories about “dead mouse in a KFC bucket” don’t actually deter them.

4. Emotional/Mental Health, Affirmations, and Delusion (in a Good Way)

• Comic Vulnerability: Life on tour is exhausting; after a show, all they want is alone time—but that doesn’t always feel good either.
  • “I have to be the clown tonight... and then you open your phone and the internet’s like, 17,000 children died today and someone I hate is on vacation.” — Maggie [11:22]
• Audition FOMO: The brutal comedy/actor life—hopeful waiting on roles, only to discover Meryl Streep got it.
• Affirmations & Coping: Caleb discusses downloading an affirmations app, leaning into “delusion” as a necessary mindset.
  • “I’m trying to make my brain so strong that I can handle anything that ever happens to me.” — Caleb [12:51]
  • The AI affirmation that moved him: “I am in charge of how I feel, and today I am choosing happiness.” [13:18]
• Focus on Process, Not Outcome: Caleb describes a recent creative shift—obsession with process over results, fueled by working on his film “Trash Mountain.”

5. Hotel Life Advice

• Best place to stay? Four star hotels.
  • “Two and one are obviously… not even in the conversation… Threes… no amenities. ... Five stars, too old, not as nice as a four star.” — Caleb [16:01]
• Hotel desk and reservation issues, credits frozen for “unusual” (i.e., generous) charitable donations.
  • “I am unusual. I am unusually kind.” — Caleb [17:48]

6. Fatness, Microaggressions & Leaving People Alone

• Performing Fatness: Both recount being patronized for doing totally normal things (ordering a burger without a bun, being told “good for you”).
• Random Diagnoses: Stories about being accosted with unsolicited medical or wellness advice—“You must be taking ashwagandha!” [53:47]
• General Sentiment: “Leave me alone!” — The phrase becomes a through-line/meme [21:13, 53:31]

7. Internet Comments & Screen-Mediated Policing

• Internet Outrage Fatigue: Discussing the experience of people getting “policed” for jokes and authenticity on the Internet versus real-life friendship context.
  • “The disconnect we’re having is that I have actual friends in real life... you live your whole identity on the internet.” — Caleb [26:09]

8. Pop Culture, TV, and Regional Representation

• Fat Reality TV: Maggie is deeply into shows like “1000-lb Sisters,” praising their joy and authenticity.
  • “They’re just the funniest people in the world... they both [eventually] lost a lot of weight… Tammy came out as pansexual!” — Maggie [29:04]
• TV vs. Music: Maggie’s a TV person (TLC, reality); Caleb’s a music person.
• They bond over Lily Allen, Audrey Hobert, and laugh at a "Mandela Effect" moment about “Pitch Perfect” puppets [30:31].

9. Gender, Authentically ‘She/Her,’ and Pop Empowerment

• Maggie expresses a bit of "girl envy," wishing she was more “gender bendy,” but ultimately identifies as a “strong she/her.” [31:38]
• They riff on Meghan Trainor’s body-positivity anthems, the weird blowback for fat jokes vs. jokes about thin people.

10. Food, Fast Food, and Satisfying the Soul

• Burgers & Sauce Philosophy: Riffing on “smash burgers” vs. “Mondo burgers,” sauce ratios, and the unique euphoria of being asked if you want a side of fruit.
  • “If I can’t grab it like this... your sandwich is too big.” — Caleb [32:54]
  • “The kind of self-satisfaction I feel when I order a side of fruit...” — Caleb [49:32]
• Road Life Consequences: Both have tried to cut fast food to avoid heartburn and acid reflux.

11. Podcasting as Process, Challenges, and New Projects

• Maggie’s New Podcast: “Literally Life Changing with Maggie Winters” — on the joys and perils of making something new, fighting for attention online, and how showing up is often the hardest, but best, part.
  • “Getting to laugh with people … is amazing.” — Maggie [36:14]
• Podcast Format Musings: Caleb reflects on how “So True” has become more vital to his creativity than expected, how segments evolve, and how it’s “a living organism.” [36:42, 62:08]
  • “Podcasting is art.” — Caleb [62:18]

12. Hypotheticals: The $3M Creative Project

• Both riff on what they’d do with $3 million to spend only on a creative project.
  • Maggie: Movie based on moving back with her parents, dad obsessed with complaining about Trump.
  • Caleb: A conceptual, slightly sci-fi “five minutes in the future” script he’s outlined.
  • Both: A yearning for an indie film revival — “Where are the Little Miss Sunshines?” [48:55]

13. "So True" to Maggie: Just Leave People Alone

• Maggie’s "so true": “Leave me alone... unless it’s with kindness.” [53:17]
• Real life examples: Uber drivers pushing supplements, people (unnecessarily) diagnosing her with ADHD.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On creative delusion:

  • “I’m genuinely trying to tap more into delusion. I moved away from it briefly... and now I’m trying to move back.” — Caleb [13:02]

• On Internet disconnect:

  • “You’re living a screen-mediated life... the only thing that gives you connection is policing and comments.” — Caleb [26:34]

• On body microaggressions:

  • “People think that fat people can’t do anything.” — Maggie [19:14]

• On unsolicited advice:

  • “You have to be taking ashwagandha.” — My Uber driver. I was like, no, I don’t!” — Maggie [53:47]

• On creative priorities:

  • “I want to make cool, weird, artsy indie films.” — Caleb [48:06]

• On process over outcome:

  • “I am actually genuinely focused on process at the moment. And I love it.” — Caleb [14:29]

• On the joy of ordering fruit:

  • “The kind of self satisfaction I feel when I order a side of fruit...” — Caleb [49:32]

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Notable Timestamps

• Names, Generational Queerness: [01:35–03:40]
• Brand Gifting & Chocolate Rant: [05:13–06:10]
• Travel Diet Epiphany: [06:22–07:27]
• KFC & Fast Food Timeouts: [08:16–09:59]
• Affirmations & Mental Health: [12:28–13:59]
• Hotel Rankings & Travel Woes: [15:46–18:14]
• Internet Policing & Friendship: [25:24–26:56]
• New Podcast Process Talk: [35:32–36:42]
• $3 Million Creative Project: [42:05–47:14]
• Indie Movie Manifesto: [48:05–49:07]
• So True Segment/Leave Me Alone: [53:17–54:24]
• Fun with Famous People’s Emails & Group Texts: [55:17–57:26]

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Episode Tone

Conversational, rambly in a charming and relatable way, full of honesty and playful self-deprecation. Both comedians balance sharp wit and quiet vulnerability, switching seamlessly from banter to sincerity. The spirit is collaborative, supportive, a bit anti-glam—genuinely friendship-forward and creatively encouraging.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a great entry-point to So True. It’s packed with quotable moments, honest answers, and useful insight for anyone who travels, creates, or simply wants to feel less alone in trying to do “life” with humor and realism. Maggie’s right: sometimes what’s so true is simply the wish to be left alone—unless it’s for real-life laughter, connection, and a good sauce-to-veggie-to-meat ratio.

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Listen to Maggie’s new podcast: Literally Life Changing with Maggie Winters
Check out Caleb’s work, upcoming film, and future projects on the podcast and on Substack.

Transcript

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And I called them and I said, I'm not allowed to donate money to charity. And they said, well, we consider this amount unusual. And I said, I am unusual. I am unusually kind.

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Marguerite, I'm. Bonjour.

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Bonjour.

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Hi, babe. Oh my God. You margarited me right away.

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Marguerite. Well, you know, I just think it's fancy. I like it.

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It is fancy. If I was like in a different place in life, I'd probably go buy it by Marguerite. Yeah, I didn't when I lived in France because my team, my team, my team, my. The people, the family I lived with.

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Calling your host family your team in.

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The word team so much that it was in my head. But it was like harder for them to say Maggie because as French people, they'd be like Maggie Magee. But Magarit was like easier.

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That's.

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So they called me that. Yeah.

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Can I call you that? Yeah, from now on. Just since. I'll just go, guys, this next comic. I've known her for years. She's an absolute killer. Please welcome to the Stage magazine. I.

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Come on. Everyone's like, isn't that Mag? Just Maggie?

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Yeah. They're like, I think that's Mag Dog.

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Not Mag Dog. I saw her.

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I saw her in a gutter off Moort last night. I don't think that's Marguerite.

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Oh my God. Magda. My grandma's name was Marguerite, but they called her Madge.

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Madge. That's really cool.

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Is it?

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Wait, what was. What was one I heard the other day that I really liked? Oh, I meant to write this down.

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Oh, God.

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It was for Marguerite. No. Oh, it was. It was. Maybe the name was like, I'm getting it wrong, but it was a woman they called Van.

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Okay.

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Like, her name. They were like. They're like. They're like. They're like, oh, that's Van. Her name was, like, Evangeline or something.

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Oh, that's cool.

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And I was like, van's a fun nickname for that.

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Yes. Yeah. I feel like if she's. Was she gay?

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Well, you know, all older women kind of are.

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Yeah. I'm learning that. Don't you feel that kind of learning that? Everyone is obviously a little gay, but.

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Women in their 70s and 80s, like, you talk to them and. Or you hear them talked about, and it's like, oh, that's Madge.

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Yeah.

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Her and her husband had nothing in common. Her greatest joy is when he went on a work trip and she got to be alone for a week. Her. Her deepest, most important relationships with a woman in her life. They were the only ones that knew how to hold her when she was upset. It's like, that's a gay woman, honey.

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They just weren't allowed, you know?

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Yeah.

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They really didn't know they could go there.

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God, that was. Made it so hot, though, when it happened.

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When they're 70 years old. Yes.

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Yeah.

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I talked to my mom about. Now my mom's too tired. She's. She's always laying down.

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Your mom's an.

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And I went, oh, my God. She. She is one of the funniest people in the world without meaning to be.

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My skin ever so dry that it's, like, falling apart.

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Welcome to Chicago.

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I know.

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Eczema.

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I'm home.

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Is that eczema?

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No, it's just. Well, what's the difference between eczema and dry skin?

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A lot. I don't want to.

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I don't want to upset the eczema community.

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I'm part of it, and I'll. It's okay, guys.

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There's a lot of.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Oh, wow.

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I've had it since I was born. I have numular eczema, too, which is. It looks like a ringworm, which is awesome, because people be like, oh, you've ringworm. I go, no, no, no.

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I have new Mueller.

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And they're like, well, check it out.

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People are saying, oh, you have ringworm.

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They're pointing at me.

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Ma'. Am. Ma', am. Ma', am. Ma', am. Ma'.

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Am.

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Ma'.

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Am. You're disgusting.

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You have ringworm. Yeah.

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You bring worm.

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You need to get out of this Weber Grill.

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I am a gold member at the Weber Grill, honey. No, I've never been.

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You haven't?

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Would you go?

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What's funny is I visited Chicago in high school, and it was, like, the first major, like, US City I'd ever visited. Like, I'd never. Major city at all. I'd never. I'd been to, like, Kansas City.

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Yeah.

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But I haven't been, like, a big, big city. And we went to the Weber Grill in downtown Chicago that has the grill hanging off of it.

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Iconic.

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And I. We had, like. I got, like, a steak and, like, sides. And I remember being like, this is the fanciest restaurant in the world. Like, I left. Being like, Weber Grill is, like, the height of dining. And I genuinely was like, we left. And I was like, I can't believe we did that.

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I can't believe we were at the Weber Grill. Do they. Do they cook the steaks on a Weber Grill there?

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I don't know.

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I would love to know.

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I wish they did. Weber Grill. Reach out, please.

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DM me and let me know.

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It's funny. The podcast has gotten to a place now where when we mention stuff, they do reach out. It used to be a joke to be, like. To be like, oh, you know, Hershey. Hershey's reach out. And then they're in my DMs being like, can we send a hat? And it's like, hold on, Hershey. First of all, yes. And second of all, I honestly. Here's one thing I want to say.

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Say it.

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Brands need to stop sending shit.

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Yeah.

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Unless it is extremely cool.

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Yeah.

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But when they're just sending you, like, a water bottle and a hat, it's like, hey, so that's more shit that I'm either throwing away or is sitting in my closet that I don't have room for.

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Yes.

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Stop sending shit.

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Stop. Unless it's something I need.

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Unless it's something I need. Yeah, call me.

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Call me.

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What do you need? Those calls. What do you need? How could. How could Hershey serve you?

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And if they're not sending the thing that they make, like, if they're sending you a hat, not chocolate, it's like, what the hell?

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Send chocolate.

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Please send chocolate.

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And honestly, even if you're not a.

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Chocolate brand, then chocolate.

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Bose.

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Oh, my God. Bose, Send chocolate.

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BP Oil. Send chocolate. Everybody Send chocolate bucket of oil.

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You're like, what the hell is this?

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God, I'm trying to eat better.

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Oh, my God. How's it going? Yeah. My girl Daisy hooked you up. Yeah.

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I'm trying to eat better. Here's the thing.

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Yeah. Say it.

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This is the realization I had. And I wonder if you feel similarly.

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Okay.

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Because you are. You've been on the road for so long now with Connor and, like doing all these shows and I. Basically what happened was there was a period of years there where my, my career was starting out and I would be gone sometimes.

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Yeah.

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And it was like, oh, my away life is like this fake free time where I can do whatever I want and I would eat fried food at 2 in the morning and I would smoke weed and like, fuck off and not exercise and not drink water.

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Yeah.

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And I'd be like, that's fine. Because it's my away life. It's fake. And now I have. I have realized my home life is fake and my away life is life.

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Yeah.

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And so I'm like, actually, if every time you're staying somewhere else, you don't move your body and drink water and eat one singular vegetable.

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Yes.

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That actually is just your life.

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Yes.

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And then at home I'm like. I'm like eating salads and stuff and being like, oh, it's so good to be home. And it's like, yeah, you have to do this elsewhere.

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You have to do this all the time.

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You have to add vegetables into the.

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Rotation is what they say or is key.

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But it's tough because away life used to be just like a fake little game that didn't exist.

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No. I a thousand percent agree.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Yes. I had to have this conversation with myself because for a long time the airport meant like an airport drink and an airport snack.

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Yeah.

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$40. And then I had to be like, this is actually for work.

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Yeah.

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So I'm going to bring myself a granola bar and I'm not going to look at Auntie Anne's or whatever the hell.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's hard because at a certain point, like when you travel for work as much as we do, going to the airport kind of becomes like catching an Uber.

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Yes.

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Yeah. You're like, oh, if I don't get on that flight, I'll just get on the next one. Like.

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Right.

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It really becomes such a rote thing that you do have to like, check your habits and be like, yes. Oh, I can't actually eat garbage at 8:00am no. Because it's gonna ruin my whole day.

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I was buying flips. You know? Flips. Chocolate covered pretzels.

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Oh, yeah.

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I was going, we don't need to be buying flips every time we're at the airport.

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Yeah.

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Like. Yeah. Literally. We were like. I was like. It triggered my brain. I was like, where the airport flip. Where the flips.

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Every fat person has a thing that they've had to put themselves on timeout for. Last year. Last year, I had to put myself on a KFC timeout, which was. What were you getting? I had to go on a KFC break. This is so horrendous, Maggie. I'm gonna say. I'm just gonna say something.

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Say it.

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I was getting the Nashville hot nuggets from kfc. Yes. Dipping it in their ranch.

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Of course.

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They're, like, prepackaged and getting a kind of heartburn.

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Yeah.

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Doctors don't even yet understand. There are certainly lines in my, like, heart, lungs, and stomach lining right now from that. And I was doing it enough. I probably did it, like, in my defense, I did it, like, four times in two weeks.

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Yeah.

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Which isn't psycho, but it is certainly crazy, like, in the levels of what you and I. Literally. I had to. I'm not kidding when I say I looked myself in a physical mirror and said, no more kfc.

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No more. I'm no kfc.

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Stop it.

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Delete the. Yeah. KFC is about to reach out and be like, we want to look you up.

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Can we. Can we send chocolate?

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I. Oh, my God.

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I.

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One of the first times I got stoned out of my mind was in Amsterdam.

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Yeah.

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My 21st birthday. Because I was, like, there, and I was like, I can drink. And everyone was like, you can drink here when you're 10. So, like, get over it.

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So smoke.

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So they're like. Yeah. So I had a space cake and we. I was so high and I saw kfc. Yeah. I remember eating it, being like, there's no greater food in the world.

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KFC is special.

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And then the next day, I was like. And it was in Amsterdam, though. I was like, what is my problem?

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Nothing. I truly knew that nothing would ever stop me from eating garbage when there was an. I was, like, big on KFC in college when I was really depressed.

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Yeah.

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And I saw, like, there was, like, one of those articles that was like, like, dead mouse found in kfc. Bucket of chicken. And they had accidentally, like, breaded and fried the mouse and ended up in a bucket. And I saw that, and I was like, that's someone else's Problem?

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Yeah.

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There's never been one in my bucket.

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I wish that. The hair in my food. I'm like, I actually don't care. I'm still eating this. Yeah. I wish I could have. I have friends who are like, oh, my God, something looks off. And I'm like, I wish I had that inside of me.

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I have friends.

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I wish.

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I wish I was inside me. Put that in me. No, I have friends that are like, oh, can we not eat there? That place has, like, a B health rating. I don't fucking care.

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I don't give a shit.

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The government's not going to tell me where to eat.

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We don't have those kind of ratings in Chicago. Yeah. Which. The bear, season one. They kind of did the ratings thing.

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Oh, did they?

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So calling on them out on that call.

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Yeah, go ahead, call it.

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The bear, like, one of the first scenes, he's like, put in a C and we go, we don't do that.

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That's not us.

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That's not.

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Make us sick. Make us sick usage.

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Make us sick. Mr. Beef. I want it. If I don't walk in and I don't see dirt on the ground, it's like, I don't want it.

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Why am I here?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, I. I really. I did put myself on a KFC timeout.

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Oh, my God.

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How are you doing mentally and emotionally?

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Oh, God. Actually, oh, my God. It's. What if I start sobbing?

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Okay, Maggie, that's okay.

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For real.

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That's okay.

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Like, the episode got really weird.

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No, this podcast is many things.

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I think being on the road a lot is, like, so hard and, like, the food, the. The trying to move my body. But then I'm so tired from, like, trap. The travel part of it that, like, get to my hotel and I'm like, I would just love to lay here for hours. But then. Actually, that doesn't feel good. Yeah. And then I have to, like, go do a comedy show.

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Yeah.

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But then I'm like, I have to be the clown tonight.

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I know.

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Yeah.

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I have to put on my nose.

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And then you, like, open your phone and the Internet's like, 17, 000 children died today. And you're like, great. No, I wanted to see that. Yeah, I was hoping for that.

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No, that's good.

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Yeah.

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And also, someone I hate is on vacation. Yeah.

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And someone else booked, and I didn't. Yeah. Every time I.

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Every time you open your phone, it's like, hey, two big things. You didn't book and someone else did. 17, 000 children are dead. And it's like, okay. And then all of a sudden, you're like, let's see what's up at kfc.

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Yes. And then you're like, you know what? I said no to that. I'm gonna go back to that. Yeah, I am. And the thing about when I. When I don't book is, like, I'm always like, I think I'm gonna get this part. And then I, like, open my phone, and it's like, Meryl Streep booked it. I'm like, oh, right. It was me or her.

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Those are the most frustrating ones.

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It was me or her. I think.

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I think those are the most frustrating ones where, like, you later learn, like, oh, they were waiting to hear back from the person. They wanted that offer only. And in the meantime, they collected tapes. And I stupidly killed myself trying to do good.

[B]

I was literally, like, telling people, like, I think something big's coming.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Absolutely not. How are you doing mentally, emotionally?

[A]

If I could sum it up for you in an anecdote.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Two days ago, I downloaded an affirmations app.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

To create affirmations for me.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm working on. I've kind of moved away from the idea that I can control any circumstances in my life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I've moved to. Towards the idea of I'm over that. I'm not gonna worry about circumstances anymore. It's no longer my. I'm not focused on that now. I'm trying to make my brain so strong that I can handle anything that ever happens to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I've moved into affirmations, which is 100% a cry for help. And, like, I'm like. To be.

[B]

That's what everyone says is the thing to do. Be delusional.

[A]

I'm trying to be. I'm genuinely trying to tap more into delusion. I moved away from it briefly. I was delusional for a long time, and then I checked in on reality too hard, and now I'm trying to move back to delusion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm reading affirmations, and I'll follow you there.

[B]

Just pick me up and we'll. We'll get there.

[A]

I'll tell you one. It gave me yesterday. I have to delete it because I think they're using AI So I have to delete the app and find a new way to get my affirmations. But the one they made me yesterday, it says, I am in charge of how I feel, and today I am choosing happiness. That's the Kind of stuff I'm working on. That's the kind of stuff I'm in.

[B]

Charge of how I feel. And today I'm choosing happiness. That is crazy. Because that's like, shit. My dad used to say to me.

[A]

When I was younger, 100, why don't.

[B]

You just call my dad once a day?

[A]

I will. First of all, I'll be like, get off the bicycle and let's chat.

[B]

Let's go, Willie. It's.

[A]

What's crazy is I am at a place in my life where, like, reading that moved me almost to tears. Yeah.

[B]

It was so right.

[A]

I was like, yeah, why didn't I choose happiness? Stupid. Stupid. I was like, you should have chosen happiness, you fool.

[B]

You idiot. Like, that was there all along.

[A]

No, I'm good. I'm. I'm making this movie right now. We're. We're in the beautiful city of Chicago because I'm filming Trash Mountain. And it's so exciting.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But, yeah, it's been a year of, like, make, like, working really hard and making stuff, and. And it's been so cool. And I feel really creatively tapped into something that I've never been tapped into.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not never, but I. I've been creatively tapped. I've been tapped into creativity before, but I feel right now tapped into, like, an obsession with process. That feels so good to be like. I am actually not focused on outcome right now, and I've talked about this a lot, but I am actually genuinely focused on process at the moment. And I love it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And also, I am really tired, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the affirmations are, like, needed.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I'm drinking a bunch of water.

[B]

Oh, come on.

[A]

For two reasons.

[B]

Right here.

[A]

My body needs it. Yes, I've heard. And also, number two, I've been training a lot to be able to cry on camera.

[B]

Oh, my God. You need the water.

[A]

And then for this movie, and one of the things that came up in, like, my research and. And like, process building was like, you need to drink a ton of water.

[B]

Because you're about to get it out.

[A]

It needs to expel.

[B]

That makes sense to me.

[A]

It does to me too. But why did I didn't think of that? So now I'm like a guy who carries a water bottle around.

[B]

Yes. Oh, I have one of those, like, the juggies. It's a hydro jug. It's like this. It's huge.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm like, walking around like, yeah, hello, you guys. In my hotel, like, on tour, I'll be like, where's the ice in the water.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what's crazy to me is if you stay like a nicer, like a four star hotel, they're like, every floor has ice and water. Do you stand at three? They're like, you, you should go down the block and kill yourself.

[A]

We don't have water here.

[B]

Are you out of your mind?

[A]

Yeah. My favorite is when you stay like a. Well, here's my big hotel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thing that most people listening to this are going to find unlikable and unrelatable.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

And that's just where things are. Sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. But that's where things are at right now. But the best thing to do is the best place you can stay is a four star hotel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Two and one are obviously just like not even in the conversation for me at this point. I've had that chapter of my life and it's. I hope it's gone forever. Threes are. Threes are like that. It's just like no amenities. The room is usually pretty nice, but like they don't care that you're there.

[B]

No.

[A]

And then you think like, oh, what about a five star? Actually, no.

[B]

Actually, no.

[A]

Because those are usually like 120 years old. They haven't renovated the toilet. They haven't. Like the shower's not gorgeous.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they do. They will do Amenities. Really nice. Like if you call the front desk at a five star hotel and you're like, I need a chocolate cake now. They'll find you one. Yeah. But it's too much money for not being as nice as a four star.

[B]

A four star. Yeah.

[A]

So I just want to tell you guys, for anyone who's able to partake in this conversation, that's my take.

[B]

Yeah. Stay at the four star if you can. The three star. Just know that when you check in, they're going to be pissed that you're there.

[A]

They're mad.

[B]

They're.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh my God. Every time. They're like, they're mad.

[A]

Your room is not ready, by the way.

[B]

Yeah. By the way.

[A]

They sometimes don't have your reservation as well.

[B]

Oh. As an opener, I. Sorry. And shout out to my openers out there. You get. Because my name is sometimes under Connor's name. I'm like, oh, it's for Connor Wood. And they're like, well, you're not Connor Wood, so you can go to hell. And I'm like, I'm a get him on the phone. I'm like, what is it like? What do you think? I'm trying to like stalk him, probably. There's people out there.

[A]

I've had this issue so many times where I've bought a hotel room for someone that I. That works with me, and that the hotel is like, he needs to come in here in person. Look us in the eyes. I'm like, what 1800s business contract is this. They have my card, my social, my name. The. They. What stranger off the street would guess that I'm staying here and then have the confirmation number.

[B]

Somebody is going to watch this and be like, I'm figuring it out.

[A]

They shut down my. The. The chase. My Chase Credit card.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Shut down all of my accounts the other day because I spent too much. Not over the limit. They just didn't like that. I. And you know what? I'll tell you what I did. I don't care. I don't care. I'll tell you what I did. I donated a lot of money to a charity.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

So. And I called them and I said, I'm not allowed to donate money to charity. And they said, well, we. We consider this amount unusual. And I said, I am unusual. I am unusually kind. And turn my back.

[B]

The person on the phone's like, what the.

[A]

I am unusual, unusually generous. Turn my on.

[B]

Now I'm gonna be donated again.

[A]

And I'll do it again.

[B]

Don't clock it.

[A]

And I did. The next day, I donated again.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

To a different thing. But I was like, you guys can't just turn my. Off.

[B]

No, the. Yeah, the hotel thing is very real. And also, I want to say, like, me getting distracted by, I don't know, a piece of chip on the floor. Someone. The other day, one of my shows is like, so you have adhd, Right? I was like, what? Like. Because I just get just like, during the show, if someone stands up and is like, I'm going to say it. I'm going to talk about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're like, you've adhd? I was like, I don't think so. I've never been diagnosed. And she goes, well, there are seven kinds, so. Oh, my God.

[A]

Were you speaking with a medical doctor?

[B]

Yeah. They had a white coat on in the middle of the show.

[A]

She puts a death coat on your. She goes, breathe in for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's going on?

[B]

You have adhd?

[A]

I had to have a. I had to have a physical the other day.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

For the movie. Like, to clear me for insurance or whatever. And the guy came to set, and he was really nice. He was really sweet, but he was like. He was like, every time I would do something, he would, like, praise me in a way that felt like, either you think I'm stupid or you're, like, shocked that a fat person can stand.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But he was like, stand on one leg for me. And I. I have really good balance, actually. And I stood on one leg for, like, kind of a long time. And he was like, okay, show off. And I was like, do you not think I can stand?

[B]

Oh, my. They. No. People think that we, like, fat people can't do anything.

[A]

I know, it's crazy.

[B]

Or like. Yeah. I mean, this is obviously, like, classic, but, like, I remember getting a burger without. I gotta let it. Scrapped burger. And this girl at my old job, like, looked and she was like, good for you. I was like, I'm about to order a baguette to this. This.

[A]

To this room.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Don't comment. Do not.

[A]

Yeah, I. I had a moment like this recently where I was biking in New York and I stopped at a. It was like. There was, like, construction on a four way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so they had, like, you know, like, staff. Not staff, but, like, whatever. Like, I'm thinking of MoDOT, which is Missouri Department of Transportation. But, like, whatever. The transportation people are out there, like, guiding traffic.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

And there was an older, like, Caribbean woman in. In a thing, like, stopping people. And I was stopped right next to her on my bike. So we're, you know, like this. And I was like, hey, how's your day going? And she was like, pretty good. Not bad. I won't do the accent. And I was waiting. I know you guys want me to, but I'm not going to. And by the way, it's not because I wouldn't kill at it, but I was like, hey, how's your day going? And she's like. She's like, pretty good. It's been, like, nice weather and stuff. I was like, oh, cool. Is everyone being nice? And she's like, yeah, yeah. And I was like, God, it's a beautiful day. And she was like, it is. And you're getting some exercise. And I'm not kidding you. I went, oh, sure am. I was like. I was like. And then. And then the thing turned for me to go, and I was like, well, have a good day. And she was like, you too.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

But she was like an older Caribbean. Like, yeah, you could tell that to her. It was, like, a nice thing to say. And I was like, I am getting some exercise. It's not untrue.

[B]

She's about to go home and be like, you guys, I saw a miracle today.

[A]

She's like, I saw a man change his life today.

[B]

I think I encouraged him on, like.

[A]

A normal bike ride. I take all the time. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. No, I. Yeah. Just leave me alone.

[A]

Actually, leave me alone is like a big sentiment that I have in general.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That I go, just leave me alone.

[B]

If you're. Yeah. Leave me alone on the Internet big time. But there. That's not gonna happen.

[A]

What's happening to you on there?

[B]

I mean, not just me. I just feel like everyone. Like, you can't. You can't like, post anything without like, some. You can. You can't post. Like, I could post. Just whatever. Hello. I just absolutely. Help me. No, you could post like, hey, guys, I'm unusual. I'm donating to charity today. And people will be like, you have insane hands or something. You're like, well, what the hell is that about?

[A]

Yeah, they're coming for your hands.

[B]

They actually come from my nostrils all the time. I talk about it a lot.

[A]

You've told me that this is a.

[B]

All the time or just like, in general? I like. You go to someone else's video and then like, the first comment is like, nothing to do with the video. And you're like this person. I guess we all just need therapy.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, do you think so?

[A]

Maybe. I don't know. I think that I'm just worried about people.

[B]

Everyone's mean.

[A]

I am too. People are mean and people are not. We're just not connected.

[B]

No. Yeah, we need to get a lot.

[A]

Of antisocial behavior that I'm like. And also even people I like like People that, you know, sometimes I don't want to talk too much about, like the Internet, but some people that, that comment things to me were like, like when I make a joke about like lesbians or something.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And like lesbian, like, like 10 lesbians will comment and be like thousands of people. Love the joke.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then 10 people will be like, I don't like that he feels comfortable speaking on people this way. And it's like the, the disconnect that you're having is that I have actual friends in real life and. But you live your, your whole identity plays out on the Internet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the disconnect that we're having and the reason you feel so genuinely and righteously and confidently upset.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is because your whole dynamic takes place with unreal people through screens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I am living in the real world with real, actual people. And this is how real people talk to each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Real friends feel comfortable speaking on each other's identities and stuff like that. Because we're actual friends.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you're living a screen mediated life that the only thing that give you power and connection is like policing and, and likes and upvotes and comments.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's the disconnect we're not having. The disconnect we're having is not actually a moral one.

[B]

No.

[A]

It's actually like a. I don't even know how to say it, but it's actually like a I live in the real world and you don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of thing. And that's not to say that you're stupid or anything. I think they're usually quite smart. I'm just like, we're living two different lives. And the reason I don't care about what you have to say is because I don't want to live like you.

[B]

No.

[A]

Do you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Absolutely. The policing thing is great. Like, everyone's like a cab. But then they're like. You said Sherbet was gay seven years ago.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And it is a little gay.

[A]

It is a little gay. Why would it be those colors?

[B]

Why would it be those colors?

[A]

I could taste that way without being those colors. That's pretty obvious to me.

[B]

We need to bring back the show, the Real World, I think, and get people from the Internet on it. Did you ever watch it?

[A]

I feel like I saw some of it.

[B]

That's disgusting. The Real world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They would, like, go to different cities and all live in a house together.

[A]

I remember the city.

[B]

Seven people picked to live in a house with strangers.

[A]

That Are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I feel like it is. I feel like I've seen, like viral. I've seen like clips.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But I never really, like, sat down and watched it. I don't think. I was never a big TV guy.

[B]

Bring it back. What?

[A]

Bring it back.

[B]

You know, like TV I watched.

[A]

There was like a couple things I watched, but I've never been a big tv.

[B]

What were you. What do you do?

[A]

I listen to music a lot.

[B]

Yeah, you actually are a music freak.

[A]

I listen to music a lot and I. I really don't like so much of. I think watching tv, like, really like being good at keeping up with something is watching TV alone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I don't like hanging out alone that much.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's me.

[A]

So I like to. I like. Or if I am hanging out alone, I like to go to a coffee shop and like, write or like work on something. Not in. Not like that, but you know what I mean? Like, I feel I get really different to music.

[B]

I donate to charity. It's kind of different for me.

[A]

I'm just like, listening to music and like seeing people.

[B]

Honey, I'm watching tlc, the Learning Channel. I'm watching A Thousand Pound Sisters. Are you. Absolutely. They're the funniest. I just think it's like such a. What did you say?

[A]

I said fuck.

[B]

Yeah. It's one of my best shows. I think people, you know, they're like a little like 600 pound. Life is. What's the word? Exploit.

[A]

Exploitative.

[B]

Thank you so much. I did go to a state school, so I don't really know that kind of stuff. It's just like, they're just the funniest people in the world and they're so, like, they're so joyful and, you know, and I just also think it's like a good middle of the country. Like, let's get to know it's not just east coast. West coast. Come on. Yeah, they're funny. Did they live in Missouri? No, they live in Kentucky. Kentucky.

[A]

Kentucky. Same difference.

[B]

And they're. They're just. They actually lost. They. They both lost on a weight. They're crazy as hell. Tammy came out as pansexual. And her family, her whole family was like, what the hell?

[A]

A Pam.

[B]

Like, it was amazing.

[A]

That is really.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

That is really fun.

[B]

Yeah. And like. Yeah, they're awesome. They make some of the most disgusting food you've ever seen. Like, just genuinely trying, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One time they were like making. She was making Alfredo sauce, but she was like, I'm Gonna put chocolate in it to do like a white chocolate to make it like a mole. And people were like, I don't think so. I said, good for her for trying something like discuss. And her whole family goes, this is the worst thing we've ever had.

[A]

God forbid a woman in stem experiment.

[B]

She had an idea, she went with it. Like, what the hell?

[A]

What's so wrong with that? Well, folks, I have some pretty exciting news. After I went on her show, me and Kylie, Kelsey got to odds. Kylie. Okay. And Kylie, Kelsey got to talking and we came up with something I think y' all are going to like, and that's watching a dang football game together. Kylie and I are not just watching the Chiefs vs Colts game together on Sunday, November 23rd. We'll also be live chatting about it in a WhatsApp group chat. I'm really excited about this one, actually. I love her so much. And you can join to see what we're saying with the chat from WhatsApp. And off ball spots will be limited, so stay tuned on the so true social accounts for the signup link. And thank you, Virginia in advance for posting those.

[B]

I watch a lot of tv. I'm just like, you know, chilling, watching tv, not dating. I listen to music, actually. Yeah, I listen to music. I listen to.

[A]

Is there anything you're big on right now? Any music you're, like, really big on at the moment?

[B]

Well, I'm loving Lily Allen's album, obviously. So good. I. Audrey Hobert's album this year was like. I listened to it non stop. Made me feel like a teenager.

[A]

Do you remember I mentioned this to someone recently and they gave me kind of crazy eyes. You. Am I the only one who remembers in Pitch Perfect the puppets to the Lily Allen song?

[B]

Oh, you.

[A]

You very, very much.

[B]

I don't remember the puppet.

[A]

There's. I really. It's. This is like starting to become like a monocle thing. Yeah. Effect where I'm like, am I the only one who remembers the puppets they were puppeting to that song? They're called the soccer pellas. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, they were like competition, but it was like a.

[A]

It was like an interstitial. It was like. Yeah, they just. It was like a one cutaway gag. Chance, you moved off the screen.

[B]

Christ, you're showing me a blank screen.

[A]

And he has like one job and he can't, like, pull up the picture. Maggie, I'm so sorry.

[B]

That.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, good for them. Oh, they're actual sock puppets, too.

[A]

The way he totally tuned me out. Just trying to recover it's got the bounce back.

[B]

Your microphone matches your shirt.

[A]

It's kind of nice.

[B]

You guys can't see it's pink and pink. He's representing women today because pink is girl boy. Sorry.

[A]

Are you okay? Maggie, why do you have a blue mic? Well, big news.

[B]

I have. I actually, I'm. I'm a strong she. Her. And sometimes I feel bad about it.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why is that?

[B]

Well, I wish I could, you know, gender bend, but I'm kind of like girl top bice girls inside of me.

[A]

You're Meghan Trainor.

[B]

She follows me on TikTok. So not talk bad about my friend Meghan Trainor.

[A]

Meghan Trainor.

[B]

What was her.

[A]

What was her song all about that base.

[B]

About that base. And then she said that was a hit. What was the one that was like. If there was like a line that was like, if you're fat or something about like.

[A]

Oh, that you gotta focus on.

[B]

I do have adhd.

[A]

You for sure do.

[B]

She had some lyric that was like. People were like going crazy about it. They're like, you're making fun of skinny people. I was like, for once. Yeah. Good.

[A]

I don't care.

[B]

No, I don't care at all.

[A]

I have never once cared. The thin people are always trying to get a. Like, yeah, wow. Change. Change skinny to fat here and see if you like it. It's like, no, I won't. And shut the up.

[B]

I. I'm. I' eat a cheeseburger a lot. I'm like, that would be. If someone told me that I would feel happy.

[A]

Do you know what I would do if someone told me to eat a cheeseburger?

[B]

What?

[A]

I would. Yeah.

[B]

And I'd be.

[A]

I'd have a great day.

[B]

You like smash or you like big?

[A]

Oh, I like smash burgers. I don't like when a burger is like huge.

[B]

Oh. Like a Mondo burger from.

[A]

Yeah. One of my big complaints, actually is when they do sandwiches too much.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

If I can't. If I can't grab it like this.

[B]

I can't get the mouth around and.

[A]

Take one bite with just my regular mouth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I'm having to like unhinge my jaw like a anaconda to get in there. Your sandwich is too big.

[B]

Your sandwich is way too big.

[A]

It's not cool that you did that.

[B]

That. Let's get it down.

[A]

Yeah, let's get it down and let's have a good sauce to veggie to meat ratio.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. If there's.

[A]

My mouth is watering.

[B]

Oh, my God, I'm hungry.

[A]

I haven't had lunch.

[B]

We got waters and hook it up.

[A]

Oh, you know, there's a poke place near here that I like.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Maybe I get poke after this.

[B]

I had poke for the first time in Hawaii. I loved it.

[A]

I love poke.

[B]

I got in. I'm getting in. I got into seafood last year. Lobster, crab. What's the shrimp? Thank you.

[A]

What's.

[B]

What's the shrimp?

[A]

Hold on, I'm coming. I'm coming up with it.

[B]

And then I had poke, and it was amazing. I'm trying, but, like, when people are like, do you want, like, fish? I'm like, oh, let me think about that. Yeah. Like a branzino or something.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, I like a branzino, though.

[B]

Oh, I'll get there.

[A]

You'll get there.

[B]

I'll get there.

[A]

You'll totally get there.

[B]

I'm nervous.

[A]

It's fun to order for the table.

[B]

My dad loves fish, and he's always like, come on, fish is great. Try the fish.

[A]

Fish is one of those. Seafood in general is one of those things that, like, I can. I can eat a filling amount and not feel bad afterwards.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Which is nice.

[B]

Yeah. Shrimp cocktail changed my life.

[A]

Shrimp cocktails, everything.

[B]

Dip. Come on.

[A]

Come on. With a dip. Trim cocktail, dip.

[B]

Come on. Maggie. Yeah.

[A]

What's going on? You just started a new podcast.

[B]

I did.

[A]

Tell the people about it.

[B]

It's called, literally Life Changing with Maggie Winters. And it's on Staple View, comes out every Wednesday. Please listen if you want, but if you don't want to. No problem at all. It. You gotta. We gotta get you on it sometime.

[A]

I would love to. Come on, but why are you saying don't listen if you don't want to? Don't you need people to.

[B]

I want people to make their own choice and live their life. No, listen, please. Actually, if you don't. If you listen and you're like, I don't love this. Just play it and walk away.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I need that right now.

[A]

Yeah. Do the same for us, by the way.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Come on.

[A]

How's it going?

[B]

It's fun. Yeah. I was at first, like, obviously I talked to you. I was like, I don't know. Podcasting. I don't know. There's so many podcasts. Do I. Do they need my voice? But I'm like, you know, fuck it, I'm gonna do it. Someone else's Staple View is amazing, producing it. So it's like, I just show up.

[A]

Rock out with your cock.

[B]

Out with my cock. Out. Yeah. I'm gonna have. In following your footsteps, have my dad on it. I know your mom on it. Yeah, my mom. I said, my dad's gonna be on it. My mom goes, what the hell? Like, one day, girl, she goes, what.

[A]

The hell are you onto? And you go, who taught you that?

[B]

She said that I would die.

[A]

She goes, what the helly?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's so funny.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, the pot. I'm gonna film some here, some in la, all over the damn place.

[A]

What's been your favorite and least favorite part of since starting it?

[B]

Since starting it?

[A]

Yeah. Like, what is the thing you've loved? Is there a thing you've been surprised about? Is there a thing you've been like, that you've kind of hated that you didn't expect? Like, tell me about the process of doing it, because I think it's so.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's interesting because it. When I started mine, when I started this one, it was kind of like, oh, we'll just see if it takes or not. And now it's become like, is it doing okay? Doing okay?

[B]

Do people know about it?

[A]

It's accidentally become, like, the most vital part of my creative life, actually.

[B]

Yeah. I'm seeing kind of it next to Soap cutting videos every day, which I.

[A]

That's good for us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, we like that. But what about. How's it been for you? What is the. What have you learned so far?

[B]

The thing I. Yeah, I think it's interesting to, like. I don't. Like, I was filming some in New York, and to have to, like, go somewhere to do something is always hard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're like, I have to get up and I have to go. And then I get there, and the guest is always a blast. And I'm always laughing, laughing, laughing. The Internet part of it is hard. Your team, obviously, is like, we want to get the clips and go in. We want people to love the clips. And then you again share a clip. And the Internet is always weird about everything, so that's, like, the harder part. But getting to, like, laugh with people. Getting to laugh with people. Write this down, guys. Getting to laugh with people is amazing.

[A]

But this in your notes, y'. All. Come on, put this in your affirmations.

[B]

Yeah, it's fun.

[A]

It is fun.

[B]

I'm excited to see where it goes, you know? I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. So what you were saying about showing up anywhere that you have to be is a nightmare.

[B]

A nightmare.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even if I. And then I get there, I'm like, this is awesome. Why was it almost every time? Yes.

[A]

But. But here's what I'll say in our defense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Those few times that you didn't want to go to something and you powered through and then you ended up being right and it sucks.

[B]

Oh, those.

[A]

Yeah, Those have a lot more sticking power than the more times that you go to something and it turns out to be awesome.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's a more visceral feeling of like, God damn it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't trust myself.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So there's a sticking power with that.

[B]

Yeah. When. What's the last time you showed up? Something and you were like, this sucked.

[A]

Usually for me, it's when I.

[B]

Today I'm like, what?

[A]

No, usually for me, it's when I agree to go to a second or third bar.

[B]

Oh, always.

[A]

I never regret going to the first one. I almost always. The first one is like, good for you. You got out, you saw people, you said hello. It was really nice seeing everybody. You loved it. You felt energized by it and inspired, and it was fun to see your friends. When I agree to go to the second or third place, it's usually about seven minutes into that that I go, you should have fucking called it.

[B]

Yeah, you should. It should have been over.

[A]

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[B]

All the time on tour, not so much anymore. But we used, we'd be like, go to a really fun bar, meet cool people and they'd be like, come to this. Like sometimes they'd be come to our apartment. And then we walk in an apartment, I go, these people are 22. I need to get, I'm this I'm about to get. Like, not that anything's happening, but it's like I'm about to be like on a TV show like yeah. 35 year old woman is in a 22 year old woman's house. Why? Yeah, it's just how it feel. I'm like, I need to go.

[A]

Actually it's like, it's like that Snapchat screenshot of that woman where it's like so there's a 56 year old woman here.

[B]

Yes, I just saw that. That would be. That's me. I'm like in the corner. Like it's just, it's just not. And especially like as I get older, I'm like, I need to just go to bed. Like it's not, it doesn't feel good anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Except if I do stay out, if I stay out till like 2 or 3, it's like whatever. If I stay out like till 6am or something, I'm like, this is the crazy, craziest night of my life and I'm not even doing drugs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I want to make that clear. The audience. So what's like I must have been having the time of my life.

[A]

You must have been.

[B]

It happens in New York a lot that you say Eric is crazy.

[A]

I know, it's funny. I wondered if living there I would be out a lot more.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I will say there, there are more often nights in New York that I, that I have been out and I look at my, the, the time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I go, oh my God, it's 3:00am yeah. Now I'm not one of these New York people that's like, oh my God. The sun's coming up. I'll catch it before then. But it is just easier to be out late on accident.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

In a fun way.

[B]

You're having a blast. Look at your phone. What the hell?

[A]

I will say I lived in LA for four. I lived in L. A. Four years.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I will say every time I thought that I'd be like, oh, my God, it must be like, midnight. Check my phone. It's 7:30.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, everyone in LA is like, oh, we must have to go to bed now. You're like, we just got here. We just ordered the appetizers. Yeah. Like, no, it's time.

[A]

It's really tough out there.

[B]

I gotta get up and hike and drink juice.

[A]

They do.

[B]

They do. They love it.

[A]

I don't like that stuff so much.

[B]

I have tried. Like, I did the hikes a few times, and it's just, like, so funny. I'm like, I could do this. And then I get to the top, I'm like. My friends are like, wow. Like, I'm like, jesus Christ.

[A]

I don't feel empowered by that.

[B]

Then for one week, I like, like, I'm like, I. I feel empowered for a week of, like, I did that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then I'm eating KFC Nashville.

[A]

Dude, they're good. I would be lying if I said I wasn't feeling it right now.

[B]

Oh, I used to get the. When I was in high school, they had, like, the mini slider sandwiches.

[A]

Oh, I don't know those.

[B]

What are they called? Like, Twister Bites or something crazy. I'd be like, get me through the drive. Let's go with the Twister Bites. Yeah, that's so. And they had fries too. Oh, they had wedges. They had wedges. Fries.

[A]

Their wedges. Their seasoned wedges were good.

[B]

Yeah. No, they don't. Rest in peace.

[A]

We have a question for you.

[B]

Oh, I can't wait to hear if you.

[A]

If someone. Okay. If someone came to you right now, some, like, rich person.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Ethical. Ethical millionaire.

[B]

Ethical. Okay.

[A]

Ethical millionaire came to you, and they were like, we have. We'll say $3 million.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We have $3 million you have to spend. It's kind of a Brewster's Million situation. You have to spend every cent of it on one creative project. Oh, what would you make with it? Like, what would you spend? It doesn't have to be, like. It could be anything, but what it. What. What would you spend $3 million on?

[B]

So I can't, like, buy a house. This is like a.

[A]

No, you have to spend on a creative Project. And what it can be is if you're like, oh, I have an idea for a movie that would probably only cost a million.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can just pay everyone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I mean. Yeah. What would be your thing?

[B]

I would make a movie for sure.

[A]

What would the movie be? Oh, my God.

[B]

Are you gonna give me $3 million today?

[A]

He's, like, thinking about it depends on how good this pitch is.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I wasn't prepared.

[A]

I need.

[B]

I. I have a TV show idea, but I need to think of a good movie idea. Yeah, I have one. Because I moved in with my parents this year. Shout out. And last year, actually, and it was, like, during the election, but it's weird because my dad is liberal, but it was like being 35, living back at home with my. My dad, who talks about Trump every single day. Yeah. I think it would be a fun movie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, just, like, our relationship, that.

[A]

I wonder if your dad is like, my grandpa. My grandpa is, like a Iowa, lifelong railroad guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You would never expect it. He hates Trump.

[B]

Oh. Yeah.

[A]

And he. He hates him to the point where we're like, all right, man. Like, oh, we hate him too. But he brings it up so often. It's like we're actually. We hate him in a way where we're trying not to think about him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It'll be in the middle of dinner. There's, like, too long of a pause, and he'll be like, at God damn crook, Trump. And it's like, no, we know, and we agree, and thank God you feel that way.

[B]

The exact same. My dad today, breakfast. I'm sitting there. He's like, guess who was on 60 Minutes last night? I was like, trump. So I didn't watch it. I'm like, okay, why are you telling me that? I was like, what was he talking about? He goes, I don't know. I didn't watch it. I'm like, the Mario. Like, what? Yeah, he talks about it. And, like, I actually called him out one time. I was like, you talk about Trump. He's like, so does your mom. I'm like, what? No, she doesn't.

[A]

Your mom wants him, though, right?

[B]

She's obsessed with him.

[A]

She's voted for him six times. You do the math.

[B]

No, no, she's. Yeah, she has a pin on her bag right now that says, he's an idiot. Love doesn't say the word Trump. Just says, he's an idiot. She's like, I want people to point it out.

[A]

Queen.

[B]

I know.

[A]

They want she wants him to go, who? And she goes, trump. Trump. Trump.

[B]

Who's an idiot? The.

[A]

The liar in chief.

[B]

No, literally. I know.

[A]

I love it, though. I love. Like, we. Part of. I think part of our national healing is going to have to be re. Embracing. Cornball.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, Democracy now lives.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, we're going to have to bring them back into the fold and actually be proud of them. Like, RBG tote. Like, God, we're going to have to be proud of them again.

[B]

Photo of me at 22 futures. Female. Yeah. Nasty woman.

[A]

Oh, I had nine with her shirt that I. I wore every day that I could.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I was in Southern Missouri and I wanted to. I wanted people to know, like, I'm not like these fuckers. Guess what? I'm with her.

[B]

I'm un. Usual.

[A]

So I'm with. I'm with her.

[B]

I'm with her.

[A]

I loved that shirt.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[A]

And I was with her.

[B]

Yeah. I was in a lot of ways with her.

[A]

You know, I was with her. And.

[B]

And I.

[A]

And it's funny because now I look back and I'm like, if I knew now what I.

[B]

No. Now.

[A]

If I knew then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I knew then now what I could have known then. For now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I now knew then, yes. No, if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have been with her so hard. But. But at the time, I didn't know so much about, like. I didn't know so much about, like. Like, neo Con.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, war, hockey. Like, I didn't know so many things that I know now. So I was just like, oh, my God, she's a woman who likes gay people. I'm with her.

[B]

And she's in politics.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, there's. It's a beautiful time when I didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was. You know, didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was. And I did make a huge mistake the other day of downloading the victim's book onto my Kindle on the plane because I panicked and I didn't. Couldn't find my AirPods and I said, let me just download a book. Nonfiction. And then it's the most. I mean, it's obviously, it's the most scary. I'm on the plane going, screaming my head off. It's really scary stuff.

[A]

It's obviously not funny.

[B]

You want me to bring this up on the.

[A]

It's just like the idea of you getting kind of bored and going like, yeah, I guess I'll download the Epstein victims book is like, that's crazy.

[B]

I know. And then now I feel kind of a guilt where I'm like, I have to read it because I. She told her story. Like, I have to read it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We have to listen every page. I'm. My eyes are bleeding because it's.

[A]

No. Terrific.

[B]

Yeah. What would you do if you could make a project, Any project right now?

[A]

If I had. Well, I am making it, actually, with Trash Mountain, which is really nice. But. But for ex. If someone came to me with a fresh $3 million and I couldn't invest it into Trash Mountain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And was like, what would you make? I have this idea for a script that I don't want to spoil, but I have this movie idea. It's sort of a seeking a friend for the end of the world meets her five minutes in the future type movie that's, like, pretty grounded in our current reality, but just a little bit pushed forward.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's a script. I've been really. I haven't written it yet, but I've outlined the entire thing in my head, and I've talked to some friends about it, and I've gotten some really good feedback, and I, I would probably make that.

[B]

That sounds. I hope that somebody sends you a box of chocolate with $3 million.

[A]

Yeah. Warner Brothers messaged me. Can we send chocolate?

[B]

Like, no, I need.

[A]

No, I need money. I, I, you're not idiots.

[B]

Sorry. You guys are amazing.

[A]

No, you guys are awesome.

[B]

Please.

[A]

I'm kind of in a headspace lately of just being like, I just want to do. Because I do this, and this is like, my, the podcast is kind of like my job, you know, I mean, it's like, I love doing it. I get to chit chat with buddies, we get to laugh. We get to hang out with Nicole and Chance. And, like, it's, it's a really nice gig. Then I'm like, okay, so then when I'm making movies and stuff, I just really want to make, like, cool, weird, artsy.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

That's kind of where I'm at with it, where I'm like, I actually don't have any desire to be in, like, I don't want. If, if I'm making it, I'll go and be in, like, I'll be like a number seven, like, funny side character in one of, In a, in a big, huge box. Studio 5. For sure, I would go and do something silly and something like that, but for my projects, I'm like, I used to think I would write, like, big studio comedies for myself to start, like, Actually, I kind of think at least for the next couple of years, if not, maybe forever. I want to make, like, Sub Five.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Like, indie stuff.

[B]

Freaky stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, fun stuff.

[B]

We need art. We need art, you know?

[A]

We need an indie film revival.

[B]

Oh, my God, we do. Yeah.

[A]

We need it bats. We. There used to be, like, Sundance and, like, all the. The festivals used to, like. There used to be this awesome type of indie movie that came out all the time that we, like, rarely see anymore.

[B]

Like, what?

[A]

That I'm, like, missing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, even something, like, you think about, like, A Little Miss Sunshine.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Where it's like, something like that. Where it's like, where are those kind of movies really anymore?

[B]

Let us make them.

[A]

Well, we should make them.

[B]

We're not scared to. We should.

[A]

We're not scared to.

[B]

I'm not scared. A lot of people are saying I'm.

[A]

Looking down the barrel. We're not scared to make indie movies. Me and Maggie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're not scared to work crazy days for weird amounts of money.

[B]

Weird amounts of money. We need a chef on site because we don't want to be eating the fried stuff.

[A]

We need a chef on site because if we don't have one, we will forget about the concept of vegetables.

[B]

I will be eating Taco Bell in a way that is not right.

[A]

I wish you could. I wish I could make everyone listening to this understand the, like, the kind of self satisfaction I feel when I order a side of fruit.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Like, at breakfast this morning, he was like. He was like, do you want, like. Do you want, like, garlicky fried home fries, or do you want a side of fruit? And I was like, that's easy. I'll have the side of fruit. Yeah, you know? And I felt so, like. Yeah, you know, crazy.

[B]

He wrote that down. He said, good for him.

[A]

He was like. He starts tearing up. He's like, awesome, man.

[B]

Yeah. Chefs are gonna love that.

[A]

Hey, good shit, dude.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He, like, kind of gives me a little noogie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's like, I'm really proud of you.

[B]

Yes. Yes. I. Oh, my God. Why did he just give me the finger? That'd be crazy if he did.

[A]

Chance is really antagonistic with the guests.

[B]

If I. I live. My dad was like, so he's just, like, beyond, like, can't even, like, put a little butter in something.

[A]

Really?

[B]

He's so. He's like, today, he said he's making chickpea orzo stew, and I had to go, okay, yeah, I'd love to Hear that?

[A]

Sounds cool for you and mom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll be picking up KFC on the way home.

[B]

If I walked into my house with kfc, I think my dad would call the cops. I'm serious.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. No, he's like. He's health guy. He never. We never, like. We got local fast food, but we never got like chain fast food growing up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then when I was like, on my own, I was like, you're like.

[A]

I need to see what this is all about.

[B]

When I discovered Taco Bell, I said, my life is over.

[A]

You know, I don't have the thing with Taco Bell that a lot of people have. I know Taco Bell feels like people have a real affinity.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're like, locked in on it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think it's cool. I enjoy it sometimes.

[B]

Are you pissed at me for locking in on Taco Bell?

[A]

No, not at all. I just wish I felt, you know, what Taco Bell is for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like when it. When you're like talking with a group of friends at like two in the morning after a night out, and we're like, what should we order?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For me, I'm always like, McDonald's is more the vibe.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

But everyone always feels like it's Taco Bell. And I will say Taco Bell is the best for just like throwing 75 things in the car.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then spreading it on a table with like 10 of your friends and being like kind of. It doesn't matter who got what. Just grab something.

[B]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[A]

Like, we just get like 20 soft shell tacos here.

[B]

Come on, guys. You know, mess it around kind of that. Yeah, that's true. I have a very specific order, though.

[A]

I was gonna say, what's your T. BO Order?

[B]

I get the grilled cheese burrito with chicken, the side of avocado ranch.

[A]

Ooh. Other. Avocado ranch is good.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah. And when they forget it, I'm. I'm spiraling.

[A]

You can't believe the way I've reacted when I. When I do order McDonald's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If it's, you know, it's like, later, I need like a really quick meal and they forget my hot mustard. Oh, I could put my head through a window. I'm like, how? I literally, out loud, in my apartment alone have said to myself, like, how hard is it? How hard is it?

[B]

Don't forget the sauce.

[A]

Put the sauce in the bag.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. I get. I'm like, God damn. I get so enraged.

[B]

You don't think I don't want sauce. What am I eating? This dry.

[A]

I'm gonna eat dry fish. Like a fucking. Like a hamster?

[B]

Yeah, like a hamster.

[A]

Ew.

[B]

Ugh.

[A]

I get real mad. I get angry.

[B]

Yeah. I get really pissed.

[A]

That's so not right.

[B]

No. Yeah, I. I'm trying to eat less of it, though. Fast food. Yeah. Because on the road, it's so easy. You know what? Like, late night, like, if I have, like, two glasses of wine and then I'm like a little Taco Bell, but then it's like. And then I'm going to sleep. A heartburn to hell. Acid reflux.

[A]

Waking up, like, four in the morning with like, oh, my God, am I gonna.

[B]

It's not worth it anymore.

[A]

Am I gonna die?

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna die.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That for me.

[A]

Yeah, I. I stopped eating. I pretty much don't eat fast food on the road anymore for this sometimes. Obviously.

[B]

Good for him.

[A]

Good for him. But the reason is because I started to, like, part of my travel packing started to be bringing Tums.

[B]

Oh, I know.

[A]

And I was like, hey, probably a different solution to this.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Than, like, having to travel with Tums. Heard was like, stop having KFC Nashville hot nuggets at 11:00pm yes. Maggie Winters, what's so true to you?

[B]

Oh, my God. Well, I was gonna say I earlier. We kind of already said it. I was saying. So what's so true to me is leave me alone. Like, unless you want. Unless it's with kindness, but, like, you just leave me alone with the other stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Leave us all. Like, just leave everyone alone.

[A]

So can you give me an instance recently of when you haven't been left alone that someone should have left you alone? And not on the Internet, but I'm talking, like, in real life.

[B]

In real life. Well, I think the ADHD girl was kind of like, leave me alone. Like, anything.

[A]

You don't need to diagnose me.

[B]

No. Or like, I had an Uber driver who was like, you. He was just out of nowhere, like, you have to be taking ashwagandha. And I was like, hello?

[A]

He was like.

[B]

He said, let me write it down for you. I was like, no, I know the word ashwagandha. Like, you don't need easy. You have to be taking it. Leave me alone. I don't have to be taking anything. Drive me to my place.

[A]

Leave me alone with Maggie Winters. The Maggie Winters.

[B]

Leave me alone with Maggie Winters.

[A]

Leave me alone.

[B]

That'd be my negative podcast. After dark.

[A]

Leave me alone.

[B]

Isn't that great? Ashwagandha and then he, like, wrote down some other things. I said, I don't need this. Yeah, but of course. No, I didn't say that. I was going, thank you. Yeah, of course.

[A]

Yeah. Please write it down.

[B]

The car, throw it away.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He, like, looked back in his mirror, he was like, oh, God, she needs ashwagandha.

[A]

What does it do? Ashwagandha.

[B]

And he told me every single thing. I. I locked it all out.

[A]

I don't even know what it does.

[B]

Health and happiness.

[A]

Yeah, it is.

[B]

I seem stressed.

[A]

Maybe that is commonly promoted for stress and anxiety reduction.

[B]

Leave me alone, Chance.

[A]

I'm kind of like, maybe I need to take ashwagandha on accident. I'm like, no, leave Maggie alone. But maybe hit me up. I might need to hear the pitch.

[B]

As.

[A]

As it turns out, like, my mom.

[B]

Is, like, constantly, like, she, she. Whenever someone else gets a brand deal, she, like, comes to the room. She's like, connor just did a Heinz commercial. I'm going, leave me. What do you want?

[A]

She's like, did you even call Heinz and ask if they wanted you?

[B]

Oh, yeah. She used to tell me, my brother, she's like, you should email Stephen Colbert.

[A]

Did you?

[B]

No. Well, well, where's his email?

[A]

Stephen. Stephen Colbert.net.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

One crazy thing. I can't remember if this has come up on the podcast before or not, but. But one crazy thing is, like, famous people's emails are what you think they are. It's literally Scott Witherspoonahoo.com like, they, like, they literally are like, famous people's emails.

[B]

About to get a cease and desist.

[A]

Almost every time I see a famous person's email, I'm like, really? It's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, do you change your email if you reach a point of fame?

[A]

Yeah, I've definitely noticed. I've noticed that there's a certain level of famous where, first of all, they're not even on the threads. When you get to a certain level of famous, it's like, like you're never emailing with them directly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then when a very famous person has emailed me with me directly, then their email becomes like. It's like, it's like whistle jump. One, two.

[B]

You know, it's like, it's smart.

[A]

Yeah. It's like not even a name. It's nothing you could think of.

[B]

Do you think Taylor Swift, like, text, for sure. Group chats?

[A]

For sure. Yeah.

[B]

I just think about that. I'm like, you know, people are like, like, I would be.

[A]

Does she have the time I don't save anyone's. I had a famous person recently give me their phone number, and they. When they texted me, they were like. They're like, what's your ph. I'm text you? And I gave them my phone number, and they texted me, like, a version of their name. I don't want to put this person on blast, so I'm not going to say. But they text me a version of their name that was like, only we would know that it was them. Like, if someone else had seen it on accident. And I. In that moment, I was like, oh, no. I have every famous person's number saved in my phone as, like, first and last name.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I'm like, that would be really bad.

[B]

Remember when I. When you. I remember when you first, like, were fame, fame and fortune. I was like, can you put me in a group text with me? You? Phoebe Bridgers and Paula Pell. And you were like, yeah, that would be awesome to do.

[A]

Did I do it? No.

[B]

But you were like, wouldn't that be funny?

[A]

I'm so sorry.

[B]

No. I mean, obviously if you did that, they would be like, what's wrong with you? But it was like, the idea of being in a. Like, you adding me to a group text with these people.

[A]

Hey, guys. Just saying. What's up? Also, the idea of the four of us. The idea of the three of us or the four of us talking about sort of anything is so funny.

[B]

Yeah, that'd be fun.

[A]

That is really fun. I should do that today.

[B]

Yeah, we'll just put that. Just any famous person.

[A]

Maybe after that. Phoebe and Paula, if you're watching, let me know if it's okay that I put you in a group text with Maggie. They watch. They're watching this episode.

[B]

They go, no, no.

[A]

What if they were both. What if they were both listening to this right now and they were like, oh. Oh, my God. They call me. Start the group text. Start the group text.

[B]

I would cry. I would cry of joy.

[A]

You know who will be listening to this episode?

[B]

Who?

[A]

Waxahachie.

[B]

Oh, obsessed. She listens to every episode.

[A]

She'll text me. She'll text me, like, two hours after an episode has come out and been, like, loving this one.

[B]

Wait, that's so sweet.

[A]

She's up on it. Dude.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

She's put a new record.

[B]

What is it called?

[A]

The project is called Snow Caps.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's her and her sister Allison, who. I love her and Allison.

[B]

Them in New York?

[A]

Yes. At the Kevin's. Was it the babies show that we went to.

[B]

Yeah, I was shaking.

[A]

I was like, yeah, Katie and Allison and Jake or M.J. linderman and Brad Cook both played on it.

[B]

Oh, I can't wait to listen.

[A]

It's really good. Yeah, Snow Caps Town. Now go check out Snow Caps right away.

[B]

And then my podcast after.

[A]

And then. So it's in order. It's watch and listen to this whole thing. Subscribe to my sub stack. Check out the bonus content with Maggie on Substack. Then you can go listen to the full Snow Caps album. And then if you have time, you can listen to Maggie's podcast.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

Which I haven't gotten to be on yet, but when I do, it'll be really good.

[B]

It'll be good. Yeah. Yeah, we have. Yeah, we're gonna do like a. A kind of a After Dark one with you.

[A]

We're gonna do a Leave Me Alone. It's gonna be. It's gonna be Leave Me Alone with Kale Heron and Maggie Winters podcast.

[B]

Yeah, I can't wait for that.

[A]

You know that I have a segment.

[B]

For you, of course, the questions, which I did pretty well on the live one. I was on this live, so don't think I don't know.

[A]

In Indianapolis. Yeah. Maggie, I'm Gonna read you 15 statements.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false.

[B]

I'm gonna set up for the this.

[A]

And if you get 10 or more correct, Maggie, we are going to give you 50 US dollars.

[B]

Don't believe it.

[A]

Okay, you ready? Time magazine was first published in 1899.

[B]

True.

[A]

False. 1923. The Cincinnati Bengals have won two Super Bowls.

[B]

False.

[A]

False. They've won zero. The human heart beats around a hundred thousand times a day.

[B]

False.

[A]

True.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Lyft is older than Uber.

[B]

True.

[A]

False. The original Goose Island Brewery. Brewery location was in St. Louis, Missouri.

[B]

False.

[A]

False. Chicago, the corporate headquarters for Taco Bell is in Irvine, California.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. It takes two years for a single pineapple to fully grow.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. Beavers mate for life.

[B]

False.

[A]

True. There are five Austin Powers movies.

[B]

False.

[A]

False. Three Spirit Airlines was originally called Charter One Airlines.

[B]

False.

[A]

True. The mascot for Illinois State University is Reggie Redbird.

[B]

True. True. That's where I went to school.

[A]

Maggie Winters was an American sitcom starring Beverly d'. Angelo.

[B]

False.

[A]

False. Faith Ford. Napoleon Bonaparte was actually average height for his time period.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. Squirrels can't burp.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. When Lin Manue. While Miranda has six pet birds.

[B]

False.

[A]

False. How'd she do 10? And can I just say Pace was incredible. Really a pace queen take their time. A lot people take their time in a way that sometimes borders on insanity. There's two things on this show that I find funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

About our guests. And I love all of our guest sequels. There. There's two things. Taking so much time in the true or false doesn't make me mad. Just makes me laugh because that we set it up as being quick and then you. I actually don't know what to do at this point about. I don't know if we'll ever figure out how to fix this one. People refuse to plan a so true. I would say 95 of guests who come on this show just simply. We ask only one thing of our guests, and it's that they lightly think of a so true. For them refuse.

[B]

So when it comes to it, they're just like, I don't know.

[A]

I can't tell you the number of times we've come to it and had to cut for five minutes, take a bathroom break, let them think on it. Come. And then the audience never sees this come back. And then go, so what was your so true. And then the thing they've come up with is like, curtains should be brighter. You know, it's like they've just, like, looked around the room and it's like, okay. Crazy.

[B]

Yeah. That's nuts.

[A]

It's like, who cares? But it really does make me laugh because I'm like, it is the only thing we ask for.

[B]

It's the name of the pot podcast.

[A]

It's the name of the whole podcast.

[B]

They don't know.

[A]

We had some more segment ideas when we started this podcast. I mean, we still do voicemail sometimes. It's harder when we're traveling like this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm trying to think of other. At one point, I think we were gonna, like, one of the failed segments for the show was that we were gonna. We were gonna read guests like headlines and like, show picture. Like, show, like, pictures with headlines and be like, do you think this is a real headline or a fake headline?

[B]

Oh, that's fun.

[A]

Like, we were gonna bring out the news.

[B]

That's work, though. For Chances.

[A]

It's work. Well, Chance is addicted to not working, so we can'. Things like this. Oh, man. Oh, brother. He works really hard. But no, we didn't end up doing that one.

[B]

I mean, yeah, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I'm. I'm thinking I'm gonna add and. And remove segments.

[A]

I might totally. I really view the. This show as like a living organism that I'm like, in two years, it might look totally different. Who knows?

[B]

It's art, people.

[A]

Podcasting is art.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. Write that down. Let's make merch. So True merch. Podcasting is art. Write it down. Somebody write it down. So True with the so True logo. Podcasting is art. So True logo underneath it.

[B]

Oh, my God. Send me one. Write that down. Send me one.

[A]

I did the other day get really addicted to the idea of doing a so True museum exhibit at some point.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I'm not talking, like, oh, the chair that we filmed the show in. Or so I'm talking like a weird. Like, nothing to do with the show. Like, so I went to the Yoko Ono exhibit at the Contemporary.

[B]

Oh, that.

[A]

It was fine. It's the Contemporary. Did a great job on it. I just yoke. I'm like, here or there on Yoko, but. But some of the stuff was really cool. And one of the things she did was that she. In, like, maybe the 70s, she did, like, a big billing of, like, oh, I'm gonna have a solo show at this museum. And then there wasn't one. And so then they. The show itself was actually interviewing people who showed up to see it and found out that show. So the show was the interviews.

[B]

Okay, she's tricking people.

[A]

And they were interviewing, and people were like, yeah, there's no show. So we're pissed. And they were like. They're like, but doesn't that seem interesting? And they're like, no, no.

[B]

Three trains here.

[A]

Fabulous.

[B]

Oh, my God. You should do it's like, so True exhibit. And then people walk in, and it's like, the Joe Rogan Experience.

[A]

Whoa. And it's Joe sitting in a kitchen.

[B]

The real Joe, like you.

[A]

He's sitting in the U box. Yes.

[B]

And everyone's like, what?

[A]

And they get to tap on the glass. Yeah. But he's got, like, weights and water and stuff in there.

[B]

Yeah, he's. He's happy. He's got a cold plunge.

[A]

He's happy. Yeah, he's good. Maggie, it was such a delight to have you.

[B]

Thank you. So this is a dream in Chicago, too.

[A]

Yeah, Chicago, where we met. Met.

[B]

Well, no, that's not true. We met in Missouri for the first time.

[A]

Oh, I guess we did. I forgot about.

[B]

And then we became friendship here, where Caleb used to g chat me. Do you like girls yet? And I. Well, I didn't know we would use.

[A]

All of our friends had, like, office jobs at that time. And so Google Chat was how we all talk to each other. At our respective office jobs. And I had so many different Google chat friendships, but yours and mine was definitely just me checking in on gay. I would just in the middle of a workday be like, what's up with you and girls? And you'd be like, I'm not gay at all. And I'd be like, we'll see.

[B]

Sorry you took a pandemic to figure it out.

[A]

I've dragged a lot and still women.

[B]

Don'T want to date me. So I don't know what's going on.

[A]

Yeah. Girls into lesbian. I haven't yet converted a gay person to straight and someday I'd like to try.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just to see.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I could.

[B]

Do you want to work? On you.

[A]

On me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. It would. The thing, the way I know I'm not straight is that my life would be so immeasurably easier.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like every woman I meet, I have a deep soul level connection with. And most men I meet, if I could get away with it, I would kill on the spot.

[B]

Remember when my friend Tucker, we first started hanging out and my friend Tucker told our friend Yassi, he was like, I think Maggie doesn't know that that guy's gay. Like she thought I had crushed on you and didn't know that you were gay.

[A]

She keeps bringing him around like something.

[B]

Yeah. Literally.

[A]

That is so funny.

[B]

I know. Shout out.

[A]

I love you so much. Thanks for being here.

[B]

Love you.

[A]

Please tell people where they can find you.

[B]

And at Saggy Splinters, unfortunately, saggy with an ie. Literally life changing. The podcast, everywhere you can find podcasts, YouTube, of course. And you can find me in Chicago, kind of hanging around.

[A]

Hanging around.

[B]

Yeah. Love ya.

[A]

Love you, dude. Bye. That was a Headgum podcast. What's going on? It's Lamorne Morris and Hannah Simone and we host the Mess Around a New Girl Rewatch podcast now on Headgum. Now here's the thing. Every single one, we chat about an episode of New Girl and we really get into it. Like, we get up in there. We get up in there. You know, we reminisce about our times on set. We share behind the scenes tea. We react to rewatching episodes that we haven't seen in years. We talk about how Jake Johnson is dog.

[B]

That's not true. We talk about so many memories we have of working with the biggest stars on the planet. I'm talking Prince Taylor, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo.

[A]

We're just two BFFs having a good old time. Okay. Sometimes we even talk to other co stars like Zoe Deschanel. Jake Johnson, Max Greenfield and Damon Waynes Jr. And your dad. We talked to your dad on this show as well.

[B]

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