Rosebud Baker has a Tall Baby

Summary

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So True with Caleb Hearon

Episode: “Rosebud Baker Has a Tall Baby”
Date: October 9, 2025
Guest: Rosebud Baker

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Overview

This episode features comedian and writer Rosebud Baker in an energetic and personal conversation with host Caleb Hearon. They dive deep into parenthood, personal flaws, female friendship, gay culture, comedy hustle, and the psychological roller coaster of adulthood. Both comedians bring self-deprecating humor and candor, making for a hilarious and relatable exchange about real life as a performer and parent.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Parenting, Vaping, and Vice (01:38–06:11)

• Rosebud shares a wild story about buying a vape and getting punched by a teenager, using humor to explore addiction, self-image, and guilt as a mother.
  • "I got the sign to quit, and I still bought it. I was assaulted by a child." – Rosebud (04:07)
• Nate and Rosebud riff on how vices morph but never disappear—vaping has become Rosebud’s “Swiss army knife” of addiction now that she’s sober (03:34).

2. Fear of Teenagers and Generational Gaps (05:15–06:11)

• Adult fear and mystique of today’s teens—Nate claims he’d retaliate if a teen attacked, while Rosebud admits she became utterly submissive:
  • “I literally walked to the back of the bodega counter like I worked there.” – Rosebud (06:02)

3. Comedy Parents and the Fate of Their Kids (06:37–08:16)

• Both discuss anxieties about their children inheriting “the struggle” of standup—hoping for either happy academics or at least stable comics.
  • “If she ends up in comedy, we f***ed up in a way we can’t fix.” – Rosebud (07:35)
• Anxieties about raising a kid in an unpredictable creative field, with the comedic but real downside of instability and insecurity.

4. Astrology and Personality (08:29–11:16)

• Rosebud and Nate bond over their astrology “big three” (both Taurus Rising), using it as shorthand for their aversions to struggle and change.
  • “We don’t like to struggle. I don’t like to rush.” – Rosebud (10:01)

5. Leaving Social Gatherings: The Urgency Instinct (11:06–12:02)

• They joke about their compulsion to bounce immediately when ready, even leaving loved ones behind.
  • “Waiting to leave a place doesn’t make any sense to me.” – Rosebud (11:32)

6. Relationship with God, AA, and Skincare as Higher Power (12:06–16:43)

• Rosebud’s pragmatic spirituality: skeptical of “a man in the sky,” but open to benevolence via AA. They also riff on how rituals—like nightly skincare—replace spiritual or addictive rituals.
  • “Skincare makes me go: this is a ritual that takes work that doesn't take too much time and I don't have to sweat.” – Rosebud (16:25)
• Rosebud has an elaborate night routine; Nate finds maintaining a body “too much.”

7. The Burden (and Blessing?) of Being a Woman (17:07–18:24)

• Rosebud and Nate riff on gender, motherhood, and body autonomy with typical dark wit.
  • “God, I would f***ing donate my pussy.” – Rosebud (17:08)
  • “I actually don’t wish I could carry a baby. I wish I could get a guy pregnant.” – Nate (18:02)

8. "Camp" for Gays: Dystopia Jokes (18:29–21:26)

• Extended bit about future “gay camps” in America—how they'd find ways to “have fun in the camp.”
  • “You put a bunch of gay guys in camps, we’ll find a way to have fun.” – Nate (19:57)

9. Secrets and Self-Presentation—Big Tits & Forrest Gump Lives (21:27–24:08)

• Rosebud muses on presenting her body, saying her “big tits don’t match my personality,” and relates her “Forrest Gump” life of random, juxtaposed experiences—e.g., reality TV and teaching yoga to Hasidic women.

10. Jewish Culture & Queer Curiosity (25:21–27:07)

• Nate’s fascination with Hasidic hats leads to a tangent about Grindr, hidden sexuality, and queer secrecy within tight-knit religious communities.

11. Lesbian Relationships and Toxicity vs. Hetero Toxicity (45:12–47:17)

• Rosebud hopes her daughter will be gay to avoid “threats from men,” but Nate cautions her about the intense dynamics of lesbian relationships:
  • “It’s a type of toxic that they couldn’t make in a lab.” – Nate (45:23)

12. Sharing Family Business on Stage—Guilt, Vulnerability, and Crossing Lines (41:04–43:06)

• Both discuss the ethical bizarre territory of turning personal and family stories into stand-up.
  • “I have this one joke right now about my daughter...I just don’t like it. I don’t want to do that to her.” – Rosebud (41:50)

13. Rosebud’s Stand-Up Special: “Mother Load” (32:32–34:14)

• Dual-filmed before and after childbirth to illustrate transformation, alienation, and the “disappearing community” after motherhood.
  • “Everybody loves a pregnant lady. And then you have a baby and they're like, fuck off. You know what I mean?” – Rosebud (34:14)
• Explores postpartum rage at her husband, parental incompetence, and the toll of “hustle culture” on personal life.

14. Comedian’s Superpower: Knowing Where to Cut Deep (61:29–63:32)

• Both reflect on how comedians can instantly spot someone’s insecurities and only use that “superpower” for good (ideally).
  • “I have a power that I don’t use almost ever. That I could really take someone down.” – Nate (62:14)
• Stories of high school cruelty—fat jokes, mean girls, and the code of not picking on people from broken homes.

15. Rapid-Fire Game: “True or False” (52:18–54:35)

• Rosebud wins $50, with highlights on absurd trivia and playful banter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Vice:
  “I got the sign to quit, and I still bought it. I was assaulted by a child.” – Rosebud (04:07)

• On Parenting and Comedy:
  “If she ends up in comedy, we fucked up in a way that we can't fix.” – Rosebud (07:35)

• On Skincare as Redemption:
  “Skincare makes me go: this is a ritual that takes work that doesn't take too much time and I don't have to sweat.” – Rosebud (16:25)

• On Motherhood Guilt:
  “Everybody loves a pregnant lady. And then you have a baby and they're like, fuck off. You know what I mean?” – Rosebud (34:14)

• On Gender and Jealousy:
  “Being a woman sounds horrible. God, I would fucking donate my pussy.” – Rosebud (17:08)

• On the Comedy Superpower of Shade:
  “I have a power that I don’t use almost ever. That I could really take someone down if I needed to.” – Nate (62:14)

• On Lesbian Relationship Drama:
  “It’s a type of toxic that they couldn’t make in a lab.” – Nate (45:23)

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Detailed Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:38 – Rosebud’s story: buying a vape, getting punched by teens
• 06:37 – Fears about raising kids as comics, parent-child dynamics
• 08:29 – Astrology and personality types
• 11:06 – The urge to leave gatherings immediately
• 12:19 – God, AA, and the search for meaning (including skincare)
• 17:07 – Gender riffs: Womanhood, baby envy, wishing for gay powers
• 18:29 – “Gay camps” dystopia/utopia bit
• 21:27 – Discussion of physical presentation and “Forrest Gump” life stories
• 25:21 – Jewish cultural tangents and queer life
• 32:32 – Rosebud on the making of her special “Mother Load”
• 41:04 – Ethics of talking about family, especially children, in stand-up
• 45:12 – Real talk on lesbian relationships and friend breakups
• 52:18 – True/False lightening game
• 61:29 – Comedian’s “truth superpower,” high school cruelty, social mores

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Tone

Witty, irreverent, openly self-critical, with moments of vulnerability and warmth. Both bring observational humor, undercut sincerity with jokes, and aren’t afraid to get painfully honest or darkly funny.

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Episode Conclusion

The episode ends with Rosebud reflecting on the bitter truth that “People who give you advice are actually just telling you what they want for themselves” (54:35), and the two comedians riffing on the perils (and fun) of being deeply observant and a little bit mean when the situation calls for it.

Rosebud plugs her latest special, Mother Load (Netflix), and upcoming tour dates at rosebudbaker.com.

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For fans of honest, rambling, and extremely funny conversations about real life from two comics who leave it all on the table, this is an essential listen.

Transcript

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[Rosebud Baker]

Was in the bath and I heard her, you know, she was like, where's mama? And Andy was like, oh, Mama's in the other room. She goes, mama's on stage. And I was like, oh.

[Nate]

Oh.

[Rosebud Baker]

Whoops. Whoops.

[Nate]

So you're vaping in here.

[Rosebud Baker]

I sor.

[Nate]

So you're vaping in my beautiful, plain white home.

[Rosebud Baker]

So sorry.

[Nate]

I'm just kidding.

[Rosebud Baker]

It will stain the walls.

[Nate]

How much are you doing that?

[Rosebud Baker]

Enough to stain the walls.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

No. It's so bad.

[Nate]

I worry about the vape.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know. I do too. Yeah, I do too. I'm a mother. It's not okay.

[Nate]

You have a child.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Nate]

The vape is crazy.

[Rosebud Baker]

I always. I'm like, it would be one thing if I was like a Small town detective.

[Nate]

A small town detective. Vaping.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes. That makes sense to me.

[Nate]

Yeah. Touching warm blood.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. He's near. Just ripping the vape.

[Nate]

Vap. I want to ask you this, and I don't want you to take it personally. I can't, and I know you won't, because we're. We're not like that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Do you feel humiliated to do it because it looks silly?

[Sponsor/Announcer]

No.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's the thing.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

I should be humiliated. I will do it in a church.

[Nate]

Really? Yes. I think it's so. I can't sometimes at a concert because, you know, it's the easiest one to travel.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

My friend will pass me one, and I like sucking on the little USB port. I just feel like. I feel humiliated.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Nate]

It's like, why am I doing this?

[Rosebud Baker]

When I started, I was humiliated.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But now I'm like, I do it all the time.

[Nate]

That's how things go, right?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

At first you feel humiliated, and then it becomes. Now you're a vapor.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm like an addict through and through. There's been so many things that I've been embarrassed of that I have gotten used to. You know what I mean? Like when I was drinking and stuff like that, like, I would be like.

[Nate]

You know, are you sober from the drink?

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm sober.

[Nate]

You're off the drink.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm sober. I don't smoke weed. I don't do drugs, But I do this in a way that you can tell. I don't smoke weed or do drugs or drink.

[Nate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, this has replaced everything.

[Rosebud Baker]

Everything.

[Nate]

Yeah. This is like the. This is like the Swiss army knife of your addiction.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

This one's going to fix them all. Go Go Gadget nicotine. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

So bad. It's so bad. No, I literally. Caleb, I. I was, like, thinking about quitting, and I asked God for, like, a sign. Yeah. I was like, I need. And I'm not religious, but I was like, I need a sign.

[Nate]

That was going to be my next question.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

So.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, but I was like, give me a fudgeing sign. Right. I walk into a bodega. There's like four. Four drunk teenage girls. I'm going in to buy the vape. As they're leaving, they step on my foot. I said, excuse me, but I said it in a cunty way. I heard them have a meeting about it outside. And then they came back in and punched me in the head. Punched me in the head.

[Nate]

What?

[Rosebud Baker]

And I still bought the vape. I was assaulted by a child.

[Nate]

The idea of Going outside and being like, I think I should punch that bitch in the head.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And then coming back in and punching you in the head for real.

[Rosebud Baker]

Literally, like, thought it through and then came back. And one of them was filming it. One of them was. They were filming it. I was like, this is crazy.

[Nate]

And then.

[Rosebud Baker]

Because she goes, do you want to get punched, bitch? And then I started laughing because I was like, why would you offer that? I was like, what are you doing?

[Nate]

I love the idea of being like, first of all, I'm stepping outside and taking a meeting with my friends.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Record, just in case. Do you want to get punched, bitch? It's like, she's giving you every opportunity to step out. To not get punched in the head.

[Rosebud Baker]

To not get punched in the head.

[Nate]

And you're getting punched in the head. Yeah. And it was like, fucking.

[Rosebud Baker]

That was the sign.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I got the sign to quit, and I still bought it.

[Nate]

And you bought that vape. You bought, like, a pink leopard print.

[Rosebud Baker]

Never going to start.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's never going to stop.

[Nate]

I was talking yesterday or the other day to a friend. I have a lot of adult friends who say shit like this where they're like, if I see a group of teenagers, I cross the street. Like, they're so scary. I'm like, these people are not. They don't exist. Like, teenagers are not real people. I don't care about their opinions. I don't think about them.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

If they were mean to me. I mean, if they punch me in the head, they're getting their ass beat.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Nate]

If they, like, said something mean about my outfit, I'd be like, you're not a real person. You don't matter.

[Rosebud Baker]

I would have thought that. Yeah, I would have thought that. Then I got punched in the head, and I was such a coward about it. I thought I would, like. I thought I'd, like, clothesline or something. Like, I don't even know what clothesline means. I'm like, throwing.

[Nate]

There's more. This.

[Rosebud Baker]

Throwing an elbow neck with the.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I thought I would have some kind of plan. I literally walked to the back of the bodega counter. Like, I worked there and was like, how can I help you?

[Nate]

You got. You got punched in the head and then you clocked in.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes. I was. I was like, I work for you now. What do you need? It was so crazy.

[Nate]

Rosebud. I love that.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's like, I thought I would. I didn't even have the courage to say ouch out loud.

[Nate]

Yeah. How old were these kids? You think?

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't know, like 14?

[Nate]

No way.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't know. They're all like, if they're 12, 14, they still see a baby doctor. I know that.

[Nate]

Yeah. For sure.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm like, but 12 to 15 is the same age to me.

[Nate]

Exactly. And they punched a mother in the head.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Like, you're a mother, you have a baby.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know. That was the craziest part.

[Nate]

You can't be getting punched in the head.

[Rosebud Baker]

What? I walked back, I saw, I'm like, I'm buying a vape. I'm leaving my husband and my daughter at the Cellar so that I can go buy a vape in the middle of the brunch show. And I get, I go back into the Cellar and I like, have to look at my child in the face and be like, you're gonna love it here.

[Nate]

Mommy got punched by a teen.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's a beautiful world.

[Nate]

Like, leaving your baby at the Cellar to go buy a vape. What do you think the chances are this kid turns out right?

[Rosebud Baker]

Not great. Not great. I mean, but I knew that pregnant, I was like, she's got two comedian parents.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Rough go for her.

[Nate]

Rough go.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And it's the chances of her just being like a pretty serious, like, I don't know, it's like people think two comedian parents, like, oh, probably be the funniest kid ever. And I'm like, maybe. But there's also a chance she becomes like a serious academic or something.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, really hoping that's the way that it goes.

[Nate]

You think so?

[Rosebud Baker]

I think if she goes the, the opposite way, then we did it right.

[Nate]

Right.

[Rosebud Baker]

If she ends up in comedy, we fucked up in a way that, that we can't fix.

[Nate]

Well, it's. What it is is I love it. I'm so happy for the way it's all gone for me. I feel very grateful that I've like got my, my people that I like and I've got like the way that I like to do it. But I just, yeah. You know, so many. It's so fucking hard. You have to bust your ass for so long and you see so many people do that and then not get the other side of it. And I'm like, I don't want you to have that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

I don't want you to like be broke your entire 20s and 30s busting your ass trying, trying, trying and waiting. And then all of a sudden you're 42 and single and have three roommates.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And hoping that like a 22 year old agent's assistant will read your script.

[Rosebud Baker]

And you have zero. You have zero, like, employment history.

[Nate]

Yeah. You have nothing. It's like. It's all, like, barista and, like, server, which I guess that's also a beautiful life. Maybe I'm just like. I'm allergic to struggling.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't like struggle.

[Nate]

I hate struggling.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't like it at all. What are you, a Taurus? Are you Taurus?

[Nate]

You want to try again? Keep going. I want you to get this.

[Rosebud Baker]

Capricorn.

[Nate]

No. Aquarius. Yes. Okay, let's just edit it right to that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes. Please cut the rest out.

[Nate]

Aquarius.

[Rosebud Baker]

But do you have.

[Nate]

What?

[Rosebud Baker]

Do you know what your big three is?

[Nate]

Oh, it's. Do you want to know?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

People ask me this. I've done this to my mom several times. You know, different guys that I've dated. It's been like, oh, mom, can you send me?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And every now she knows to say, like, who is it this time? Now she knows. She's on to the game.

[Rosebud Baker]

Freak is asking.

[Nate]

Yeah. She's like, what game man wants to know this about you? Or what girl you met at a bar Bathroom. Okay, here it is. Ascendant. What's that one?

[Rosebud Baker]

That's your rising.

[Nate]

I'm Taurus.

[Rosebud Baker]

Me, too.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

My son is Aquarius, and my moon is Scorpio.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, okay.

[Nate]

What does that mean?

[Rosebud Baker]

Scorpio Moon is pretty intense.

[Nate]

What's that?

[Rosebud Baker]

Ooh, that's pretty intense.

[Nate]

Wow.

[Rosebud Baker]

So, like, secretive. Very secretive. Like, but wants. But, like, penetrating.

[Nate]

Oh, I know.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's right. To use the sexiest word for it. Like. Like, you want to get to the bottom of, like, what somebody's motivations are.

[Nate]

Oh, for sure.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And, like, why they do the things they do.

[Nate]

Yeah. But wait, we have the same. Taurus is or is rising. Is our rising. That.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's why, I guess Taurus, when you said you're allergic to struggle. Because I'm also Taurus Rising.

[Nate]

And that. We don't like to struggle.

[Rosebud Baker]

We don't like to struggle. I don't like to rush.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't like to struggle. I don't want to. I won't even. Like, people are say that Taurus is stubborn, but I feel like I'm more like a creature of habit.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, if I like a restaurant, I'm going to that restaurant.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And I'm ordering the same thing.

[Nate]

Yeah. I like routine.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't want to. I don't need to try a new thing. I know that I like this thing.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But then after a while, I'll be like, I hate this thing.

[Nate]

If I had my way, everyone would just wait in place until I came around, you know, like, I don't want to have to go to the same restaurant every day, but I want it open anytime that I want to go.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And I want my people to be in there.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

And same with, like, friendships. Like when I leave town, when I leave la, for example.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

After a visit, my friends should just kind of wait, bounce in place. Like an unused video game character.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. You know, Mortal Kombat.

[Nate]

And then I come back to town and wake them up. You know, that's what I want. I would like that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

That'd be nice.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Let me ask you this. Maybe this is part of our thing that we have together. When you're ready to leave a place, like say, say right now, we were just hanging out.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

And then I was like. I was like, time to go. I want to go immediately. Once I have that thought.

[Rosebud Baker]

Absolutely.

[Nate]

Do you have that?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I. People hate this about.

[Rosebud Baker]

I do not say goodbye.

[Nate]

It's time to go.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's time to go.

[Nate]

When it's time to go, it's time to go.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I do it in my own apartment.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. If I'm leaving with my husband and kid.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

He's like, why are you walking out the door without us? I'm like, cause I'm ready to go.

[Nate]

You need to. Yes.

[Rosebud Baker]

I will see you in the lobby.

[Nate]

Let's go.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah. I just need to go.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And it's like, waiting to leave a place doesn't make any sense to me.

[Nate]

Horrifying.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's. What is holding me here.

[Nate]

Horrifying.

[Rosebud Baker]

Absolutely nothing.

[Nate]

I was trying to leave breakfast the other day. I was with like six people. There was one person left eating their sandwich. Finish the sandwich. It's time to go.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, it's time to go. Just smack it out of their hands.

[Nate]

Yeah. I'm like. And there's like three bites left. And so I stood up and they were like, oh, I'm gonna fin. Finish my sandwich. And I. In my head, I'm like, you can't.

[Rosebud Baker]

Bastard.

[Nate]

You have to carry it and eat on the walk.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah. Because I'm ready to leave now. Right.

[Rosebud Baker]

Put the sandwich in your mouth and put your jacket on. Or whatever.

[Nate]

Put your sandwich in your mouth and put your jacket on. Hello. Okay, wait. You talked about asking God for a sign earlier. What are we doing with God? What do you think? What's your deal?

[Rosebud Baker]

What are we doing with God?

[Nate]

What do you think?

[Rosebud Baker]

About God. I don't. I'm not, like, religious, but I don't believe that God is like a man in the sky.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

Or some sort of daddy figure.

[Nate]

Right.

[Rosebud Baker]

Although that would be hot.

[Nate]

Would it?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Nate]

I learned something about you just now.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah? I love a daddy figure.

[Nate]

Really? Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I was raised by war criminals, so.

[Nate]

I know. I do.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know I do love a daddy.

[Nate]

Figure out of respect for you. I was just not even gonna bring that topic up because I'm like, oh, she probably talks about it all the time.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

But of course, I do know family lineage.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

Your grandpa, like, invented Reagan or something?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, pretty much. He built him.

[Nate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

In a lab. No. Yeah. So I do love a daddy figure. I. I don't. I was, like, raised. Going to church and shit, but I didn't like it. And then I became like a fucking full blown alcoholic and, you know, drug addict, and I was like, you know, I. I got in the program and stuff, and so I just sort of was like, okay, I don't even like the God here, but if I can imagine, like, if I. If something took care of me enough to, like, get me sober, then I feel like there is some kind of like, benevolent something.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Out there.

[Nate]

I. I see discourse sometimes about AA specifically that people are like, actually AA is bad because it's a form of religious control. And I'm like, well, so is overdosing on heroin or, like, being so alcoholic that you can't.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

I think it's fine. I think if people need to call the thing God to get out of that, that's fine. Yeah, I think it works.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

And God can be whatever you want it to be. It doesn't have to be the guy.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. It could be your car.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

If you like a Ferrari, it could be your Ferrari.

[Nate]

I know that's right. You know, you worship in cars.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't. I do not.

[Nate]

Do you care about cars?

[Rosebud Baker]

Not even a little bit. It's weird that cars came to mind.

[Nate]

It's weird that you said it. Right.

[Rosebud Baker]

But just like, I was thinking of the most materialistic thing.

[Nate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it.

[Rosebud Baker]

Something that so doesn't matter to me.

[Nate]

What is a. What is a possession that you do care about? Like, what's your thing? Do you go in on. Do you go in for shoes?

[Rosebud Baker]

Skincare.

[Nate]

Skin care.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, I do make skincare. Kind of a little bit of a higher power.

[Nate]

What's your routine?

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay, so I'll do first wash my Face. Then I do a serum.

[Nate]

Is this. You're talking nighttime?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, we're talking nighttime. Okay. Retinol serum. Sorry, that was the second vitamin C. Yes. There's two serums serum retinol, hyaluronic acid, vitamin C. Then I just got this stuff, naturium, which is like a multi peptide lotion. Put that on and then I get like this barrier bounce.

[Nate]

Shit.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's that naturium makes.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

And I put that on.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And then I go to bed looking like I'm crowning.

[Nate]

Okay. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

And then you're like, just totally soaked.

[Rosebud Baker]

Totally soaked. Disgusting.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And then. And then I wake up and I. I should wash my face, but instead I just put on fucking sunscreen.

[Nate]

Why don't you. You're doing all this at night and in the morning you're not gonna wash the face?

[Rosebud Baker]

Because I got a kid right. Once. She's like, like once. I'm not responsible for her, like, physical body.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, and she's not like running into and trying to kill herself all day long. Then. Then I will start washing my face again.

[Nate]

Okay. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

In the morning.

[Nate]

Yeah. That's beautiful.

[Rosebud Baker]

But right now I'm on a hiatus.

[Nate]

I don't have a skincare routine.

[Rosebud Baker]

You don't?

[Nate]

No, I can't. It's too. Being alive is far too difficult.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

At a baseline.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Like, I. I do find it very. I love being alive. I think life is so beautiful.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

But really the tasks it takes, like the times I spin out the most about being alive are like the I have to do to maintain this body that I didn't ask for.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

Like, I have to go to the dentist. I have to brush my teeth every night. I have to do. I'm supposed to be doing skin care. I'm supposed to be taking vitamins. I have to move my body all the time.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I'm like, this thing is too much to keep up.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know. But I feel like it's one of the one things. It's like whenever I. I'll like lay in bed and be like, this is self care. You know what I mean? And I'm just like scrolling on my phone and it's actually just like a trauma response. You know what I mean?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But skincare makes me go like, this is like a ritual that takes work that doesn't take too much time and I don't have to sweat.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

So I will do it.

[Nate]

That's nice.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know what I'm saying?

[Nate]

Yeah. I can't, I think, for. Yeah. I Need to change my. I need to frame it differently to myself. Maybe that would work.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Because to me, so much of skincare, like, so much of what people say to me about skin care is they're like, well, if you want to. If you want to maintain a youthful look when you're older. And I'm like, I don't. I'm actually really looking forward to when my face looks old.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Because I want to act those parts. I'm excited for those roles. I'm excited for that part of life. I can't wait to look 50 when I'm 50.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

So I'm not trying to stay looking young.

[Rosebud Baker]

This is man privilege for sure. Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah. And I'm so happy to be a man.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, yeah.

[Nate]

Being a woman sounds horrible.

[Rosebud Baker]

God, I would fucking donate my pussy.

[Nate]

How is being. How is being a woman? How is it?

[Rosebud Baker]

How is it?

[Nate]

How are you okay?

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm not.

[Nate]

It seems bad.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, it's bad.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's not great.

[Nate]

What's the worst part? Don't. Actually, actually, I thought of one and I don't want to talk about this anymore.

[Rosebud Baker]

Let's not. Let's not.

[Nate]

What's the best part?

[Rosebud Baker]

The best part, honestly, the best part so far was having a kid.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Having one. Not being pregnant. But like, you know, getting handed a kid that I made was. That was pretty awesome.

[Nate]

I wish I could do that.

[Rosebud Baker]

That. Yeah, that part's cool.

[Nate]

That'd be neat.

[Rosebud Baker]

But it's so hard that it's almost like, okay, you could. I could do that one time.

[Nate]

You're not gonna do it again?

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm not doing that again.

[Nate]

I can understand that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I actually don't wish I could carry a baby. I wish I could get a guy pregnant.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yes.

[Rosebud Baker]

Sometimes I wish I could get somebody pregnant too.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's got to be really powerful.

[Nate]

Sometimes when I'm dating a guy, if he's a CIS guy and I like him a lot, I'm like, I would love to get you pregnant with my baby.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Nate]

But I can't.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

You know? Well, that's downside of being gay guy.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, I guess, you know, I guess that's one of the. Yeah, that sort of a lighter downside. Yeah.

[Nate]

Well, we're going to camp soon. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

There's not as well in the camps. I can't get anybody pregnant.

[Nate]

Oh, I wish I could get someone pregnant. Well, time to go make license plates or whatever the. Whatever they're going to have us doing. Oh, we're going to camp. We're going to license plate camp soon.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

It's not looking good for gay.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, no, it's bad out there.

[Nate]

It's bad for gay.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm not, I don't mean to be laughing right now, but the way that.

[Nate]

You'Re putting it is I'm going to be making license plates in Alabama within the next year and a half and I'll be one of the first ones to.

[Rosebud Baker]

And it's all Alabama license plates, by the way, 100% Florida.

[Nate]

Well, when they like repossess all the gay people's like homes and art to like give it to like you know.

[Rosebud Baker]

Some Christian like straight white families that.

[Nate]

Are willing to have more kids or whatever. The thing is going to be whatever Stephen Miller cooks up.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I'll be one of the first ones to go, I think to camp. Fuck. Caleb goes to camp. Who?

[Rosebud Baker]

It's like Ernest goes to camp.

[Nate]

Oh, yeah. I'm going to have fun in the camp. I'll tell you. I'm having fun in the camp on the way out. Yeah, you better believe it.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, I mean it is. When I think about it, I'm like, it's going to be celebratory. Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be a fun time.

[Nate]

I've said for years, since the first time Trump got elected, I said, one way or another, gay camps are coming. Pence. Mike Pence was like a more buttoned up but he hates gay people.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And I was like crazy because he's full gay.

[Nate]

Oh my God. Have you ever seen someone with a gayer vibe? No, just like very like. Yeah. Always like giving blue steel for no reason, Ken.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

But I've said you put a bunch of gay guys in camps, we'll find a way to have fun.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Nate]

There'll be places where the cameras don't see.

[Rosebud Baker]

Especially you. I feel like, you know, if I was a gay guy and I was in the camps, I'd be like, can I move to Caleb's bunk?

[Nate]

Come to my barracks. Yeah, Everyone come to my barracks.

[Rosebud Baker]

The barracks after the chow hall.

[Nate]

Everyone come to my barracks after chow. Come on. I love that.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's just the military.

[Nate]

Yeah. Military party in my barracks. I look forward to hosting.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

In my barracks.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Find a little way to decorate.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'll visit.

[Nate]

Would you?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, but I will. I'm gonna be a coward and I will pretend to be Christian.

[Nate]

Totally.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Well, you might not escape the camps. You're sort of a foul mouthed woman.

[Rosebud Baker]

They won't find me. They won't find me.

[Nate]

What do you Mean, you're hiding.

[Rosebud Baker]

I will hide. Yes. I will hide. And. And I can. I. I have. You put a wig on me. You're not gonna recognize me.

[Nate]

That's true.

[Rosebud Baker]

I will take my eyelids off. You know what I mean? I'll get an upper left and it will. People will be like, who is that? Without my hooded eyes, you're gonna have no idea who I am.

[Nate]

Yeah. Oh, I have those, too.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

The way they come over. I think if you. If you need. This is what I would do to you if I needed to hide you right now.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

I would shave your head.

[Rosebud Baker]

Great.

[Nate]

First of all.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And then I would.

[Rosebud Baker]

To sad music.

[Nate]

Yes. I would shave your head slowly to sad music while we both cried.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And then I would put on you an asymmetrical, bright red Bob.

[Rosebud Baker]

Bob. Yes.

[Nate]

Yeah. And you're a different woman immediately. Yes.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

And I'm giving you, like, a brown beauty mark.

[Rosebud Baker]

One beauty mark. Yeah. Yeah. And my tits have to be out. I'll have my tits out.

[Nate]

I've been wanting to get your tits out. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Nate]

You were saying off camera that you have big tits.

[Rosebud Baker]

I do. Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Sort of secret.

[Nate]

Yeah. Why do you hide them?

[Rosebud Baker]

Why do you hide them? Why do you hide them?

[Nate]

Why hide them?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I just don't. I don't know. It feels like such a commitment.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, and it doesn't. My tits don't really match my personality. You know, I'm sort of giving, like, closet lesbian, you know, like, jumping up, hitting the exit signs.

[Nate]

Yeah. That's you.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, that is you. Yeah. So big tits. It's a different personality.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I would have to. I mean, if I did have them out one day, I would start to pursue more reality television.

[Nate]

Yes.

[Rosebud Baker]

I would start to get a lot of elective surgeries, for sure. I mean, I'm gonna do that anyway, because. Why not? But, yeah. It just feels like a different. I'm not in that phase right now.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, I don't see it. But I have lived kind of like a Forrest Gump life.

[Nate]

How so?

[Rosebud Baker]

Just, you know, a lot of random shit.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

That doesn't really match up.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Where you're like. That didn't happen to the same person in the same life.

[Nate]

Well, give me an example of two. Like. Like, what are the. Give me two things that have happened in your life that feel so conflicting.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

Because I know what you mean.

[Rosebud Baker]

I did. Okay. I did a reality show.

[Nate]

Did you?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I did a reality show with my gay best friend for Sundance Channel. When I First moved to New York.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

Then I also was a yoga instructor who taught yoga to Hasidic Jewish women in Brooklyn.

[Nate]

How was that?

[Rosebud Baker]

You can't touch them, of course. So, yeah, it was weird.

[Nate]

Yeah, of course.

[Rosebud Baker]

Of course it was odd.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But also it was really kind of sweet because this woman had left her husband in the Hasidic community, which is like, you know, bad there. Yeah, Good to me. I mean, from where I stand, I'm like, good for you, girl.

[Nate]

Leave your husband, come to you.

[Rosebud Baker]

She started her fucking business, Right. But she. It was, like, still in Brooklyn, and she only had her friends from the Hasidic community. So these other women were, like, coming to support her, and it was really sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you ever watch the Only Teacher?

[Nate]

Did you ever watch the Rachel McAdams Secret Lesbian Hasidic movie?

[Rosebud Baker]

No.

[Nate]

There was a Rachel Adams secret lesbian Hasidic Jewish woman movie.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Undoubted or truth? What chance you're googling it? Unfaithful or un. God. What was it called? Disobedience. Disobedience. Oh, it was hot.

[Rosebud Baker]

Sexy.

[Nate]

She like. She, like spits in another woman's mouth at one point. Whoa. Hot. Whoa. I love Rachel.

[Rosebud Baker]

How did this come out?

[Nate]

2017. Yeah, I saw it at TIFF.

[Rosebud Baker]

Wow.

[Nate]

I saw it at TIFF because I worked for a non profit that sent me to Toronto for, like, day job training at the same time as tiff. And I was like, oh, I'm off every night to watch TIFF movies.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And that was one of the ones I watched.

[Rosebud Baker]

Wow.

[Nate]

It was so hot. I love Rachel McAdam. She can do no wrong.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, she's great.

[Nate]

She's so charming.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Nate]

And she's great in everything. She is the family stone.

[Rosebud Baker]

Amazing.

[Nate]

Hello.

[Rosebud Baker]

So good.

[Nate]

Let's wake that up. There's not enough talk about Rachel McAdams.

[Rosebud Baker]

Well, where has she been?

[Nate]

Yes, yes. Where has she been? She did that movie, that movie, what was it? Flight, The Cillian Murphy movie. Do you know what I'm talking about? Red eye, red eye, red eye, red eye. You've seen that? 2005.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Red eye. Crazy.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

Rachel McAdams, incredible performance. Rachel McAdams. I love her. I really do. And I loved when she was gay. Rachel McAdams, Rachel McAdams. We love you, girl. Yeah, I do love her. She's so charming.

[Rosebud Baker]

Hot, hot gay woman.

[Nate]

Yes. Well, she has that kind of spunkiness. Yeah. You want that in your lesbians, you know, what are you about to pivot to do?

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, transition period?

[Nate]

Transition. Do you know Tova Silverman, my comedy manager? Yes, she is. She's Jewish. And I asked her once when I first moved to Brooklyn. I was seeing all the Jewish guys in their hats.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Not the yarmulkes, the big fur hats. Big hats, you know, and sometimes they're bigger than other times.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right, right.

[Nate]

So I'm at dinner with her, and I was like, what's with the hats? You know, I want to know, like, what's the significance? I want to learn about this. And she. She said, well, I forget the exact. She's like, well, there could just be extremely pious or maybe they're celebrating something. I think was part of. It was like. It could be like a celebration of an achievement in studying the text or something.

[Rosebud Baker]

Was she guessing?

[Nate]

No, she's. She's Hasidic. Oh, okay. Oh. She grew up in a Orthodox. She grew up in Orthodox community. So she's telling me for real, and I said, oh, my God. So would it be. Could I. Could I congratulate them? If I pass one on a guy on the street wearing a big hat, should I say, like, congratulations? And she was like, they don't want to talk to you. I was like, well, obviously that breaks my fucking heart, so I can't be in community with them at all.

[Rosebud Baker]

Congrats.

[Nate]

Yeah. I say congrats, and they go, yeah, they don't want to talk to me. Which sucks, because I want to talk to them.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know you're very curious. You have a curious spirit.

[Nate]

I do. And I would love to hang out with them. If they would invite me over, I would come hang out. I would love to chat with them and know about their stuff.

[Rosebud Baker]

What would you ask?

[Nate]

What would I ask them?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Just kind of how they feel about the world and what they know about the things that are going on. And if they, like, I would want to know how they feel about gay people, and then I'd want to. Maybe not. Maybe I'd like to convince them to like gay people if they don't, you know?

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

I also want to let them know a lot of them are on Grindr. There are a lot of acidic guys on Grindr.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I would definitely sit in for that conversation.

[Nate]

I would like to tell them, do you know that there's a lot of your guys on Grindr?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And that they don't feel comfortable telling you that about themselves.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

And do you care.

[Rosebud Baker]

Would you mind?

[Nate]

And if there's any. I have heard that if one of the curls is cut short, that they. That they are in trouble. Have you heard this?

[Rosebud Baker]

No.

[Nate]

And I could be wrong and I'm going out on a limb here and being potentially culturally insensitive.

[Rosebud Baker]

Uh huh.

[Nate]

But I've heard that. And if that's true, I would like to meet someone who has a shortened curl and find out what they've done to be in trouble.

[Rosebud Baker]

You want to find somebody on Grindr and you want to run up with a pair of scissors.

[Nate]

I did. No go. I go. That's mine now. I didn't wanna. A guy.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm gonna get in trouble.

[Nate]

You shouldn't have said that.

[Rosebud Baker]

I shouldn't have said that.

[Nate]

I said a guy messaged me on Grindr once.

[Rosebud Baker]

Really?

[Nate]

Yeah. He wasn't cute, so I wasn't into it, but yeah, I was obviously interested in the idea of it.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's like, I don't want to hook up, but I want to talk about your stuff.

[Nate]

I would like to chat with him. Yeah, but he wasn't into that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

I did try to have a conversation. He was like, are you free now? And I was like, this isn't.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, you're not.

[Nate]

This isn't my rich.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't like. You know, it's been a while since I've been single.

[Nate]

How long?

[Rosebud Baker]

Five years.

[Nate]

Only I was expecting you to stay much longer.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, I don't stay single that long.

[Nate]

Yeah, your girl.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

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[Nate]

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[Rosebud Baker]

If I get a divorce, I'm gonna stay single for the rest of my life.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

Oh, wow.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Or I'll just date women. Or I'll date women.

[Nate]

Kind of rooting on your divorce now.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Nate]

I mean, you getting a divorce in like 10 years and then just exclusively switching to women, obviously, you know, that's like the chicest thing you could do.

[Rosebud Baker]

I. I agree.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I have to wait a little while.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, and I do tell Andy, I go, listen, this is working out for now.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But 10 years, we're gonna wrap it up. I'm gonna date women. You do what you got to do. Go get some young. Yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

Have some young.

[Rosebud Baker]

Go find like an open micr who thinks you're the funniest person of course she's ever heard in her life.

[Nate]

Be the predatory, predatory man in the community that we know and love.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes. Yes.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, we all have a destiny to fulfill.

[Nate]

Yes.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And he was meant to be that older comic who mentors the younger.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's right.

[Nate]

Girls.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah. And tells them they have potential.

[Nate]

Yeah. God. I, you know, I started in Chicago.

[Rosebud Baker]

Did you?

[Nate]

Yes. And those guys are around a lot of. Yeah, those guys are around.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

They're hitting. They're hitting the open mics and the improv classes and saying like, God, you're just so fun. I see it for you.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And they're getting laid off. That.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

It's crazy.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

God.

[Rosebud Baker]

Anyway. Yeah. I can't wait to get back to women.

[Nate]

I want you to get back to women.

[Rosebud Baker]

I will.

[Nate]

How? Okay. So you. I want to talk about your stand up special, though.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, okay.

[Nate]

You did. I'm sorry. It's just something I'm interested in. Yeah, you did. You did the first. How did it work out? You did the first half of it pregnant.

[Rosebud Baker]

I did, yeah. The first half of it I was eight months pregnant. And then the second half I did a year later because I was really curious about what. I was really scared to be pregnant, to have a kid, to, like, what that life change was, because I did love my life and I do hate struggle.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

So I was like, I don't know how well I'm going to adjust to this. And I know there's a lot of people who had. I'm like, no human experience is, like, alien to anybody if you're feeling it. Everybody has felt it, you know?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And so I was like, let me just make a special that's like the before and after, like, what it is to be pregnant and then what it is after you've had a kid a year later. What that feels like. And so I took a lot of the jokes from the first half of the special and expanded upon them. Upon them.

[Nate]

We expanded upon them.

[Rosebud Baker]

Upon them.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

For like, the next year and put them together. This editor, Kelly Lyon, who's like, amazing. She put it together and I was like, she made me two cuts. She made me one that was like just the second hour from the year after. And then she put both of them together into another cut that was both of them. And I was like, oh, I can't really fucking decide between these two. And she was like, just do the one that's most interesting to you. And so I went with the first one.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

What made it more. What made it the one to choose, do you think?

[Rosebud Baker]

Because it really, to me, comments on, like, the fucking alienation that you feel after you have a kid. You know, everybody loves a pregnant lady. And then you have a baby and they're like, oh, Fuck off. You know what I mean?

[Nate]

You think so? Is that how it felt?

[Rosebud Baker]

A little bit, yeah. Like, I don't know that anybody actually felt like that, but they were. You know, you're pregnant, and everybody's like, I'm gonna be the auntie. I'm gonna be there. And then, like, I had friends send me so many gifts that I was like, just say you're not coming to meet her. You know what I mean? I was like, just say you're not coming over. Like, just do that. Stop sending me clothes. You know what I mean? Cause it is this feeling of, like, I loved my friends. I had this. I built up this community, this, like, actual family that was like my chosen family. And then I had a kid, and it was like, where did they go? You know? I mean, a couple of them, like, genuine good friends, like, didn't go anywhere, but there was a lot of them that I was like, oh, I thought you'd be around. You know, I thought I would feel this way. I actually feel this way. And there. And I wanted to. I wanted to tell jokes about that. Cause there is something really funny about being a loser feeling like.

[Nate]

You know what I mean?

[Rosebud Baker]

And I was like, I feel like a loser.

[Nate]

Yeah. So.

[Rosebud Baker]

And there's also. There was also just, like, a lot of shit between my husband and I that I. Like, the rage that I felt towards him. That was really funny.

[Nate]

Yeah, tell me about that, because that's interesting. Just. He's so.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, I'm like, you just don't have it.

[Nate]

You know, doesn't have the stuff.

[Rosebud Baker]

I was like, you don't have the stuff.

[Nate]

You don't have the goods, brother.

[Rosebud Baker]

You don't have it.

[Nate]

What do you mean? Why were you so mad at him.

[Rosebud Baker]

That he didn't have it? Yeah, I was like, I don't. You know, I'm like, I don't have it. But I figured this out. Yeah, he does shit where, like, I'll leave him with her for a weekend. And he's like, oh, I'll be like, did you. Did she brush her teeth last night? He's like, oh, like, he forgot the whole weekend. Like, he didn't brush her teeth the whole weekend. And I'm like, that's crazy.

[Nate]

She's gotta have those.

[Rosebud Baker]

That is crazy. Yeah, so there's stuff like that where I'm just like, you gotta be joking. Like, he'll try to change her diaper on the floor of the airport. And I'm like, like, don't have her out by the baggage claim.

[Nate]

What the she. I'm sorry. She can't be naked by the trash can. She can't be. She has to go. She can't be.

[Rosebud Baker]

First of all, she's huge. She's like six two.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

It looks like you're changing an adult woman's diaper.

[Nate]

It's big.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, she's tall.

[Nate]

She can be an NBA WNBA player. Yeah. Or NBA.

[Rosebud Baker]

She's half my height already.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah, I noticed that she stands by here on you. She's two.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, she's two.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

So it's crazy, but. Yeah, I definitely. I just wanted to make a. I wanted to make this special about that. And also like, the process of getting pregnant was so crazy. Like miscarriages, ivf, then just like getting pregnant the old fashioned way.

[Nate]

Wait, why, when you said that, why did I think of, you know that. That scene in Brokeback Mountain when she. When he's like trying to have sex with her and he's like, I want to have another kid. And she's like, I'd have him if you. You'd pay enough. If you'd make enough money to raise them. And then they end up not having sex and just laying in bed. Sad.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. That's what makes that is kind of the old. Yeah.

[Nate]

That's the old fashioned way.

[Rosebud Baker]

Just staring at the ceiling, truly fighting.

[Nate]

Fighting.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like a couple of detectives after a long day.

[Nate]

I miss it.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah. I miss it culturally.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. You know, it's still out there.

[Nate]

I know. I just would have been so good at be like, if I was like the secret gay guy who had to have like a wife and kids, I would have been really good at that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, yeah.

[Nate]

Like, my kids would have been like my dad's low key fun, you know, like, they would, they would have loved me. And then when I was old, they'd be like, oh, he was gay, you know?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, I've always said this, that I think gay men would make the best husbands. Totally 100.

[Nate]

I would have been good at the fake that fake stuff.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Living an authentic life as a gay guy.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's really all you want out of a husband, is someone who doesn't bother to you.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

So you can go whoever.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And then like, helps you with the kid.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And is like supportive and like pats you on the back and listens to your work stories.

[Nate]

When I hang out with my girls now, I'm like, we would do so good at domestic life.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

If you didn't need someone to fuck you.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And I Didn't need to be fucking.

[Rosebud Baker]

Someone in the two years after I had a kid. I wanted a gay husband so badly.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Because I was just, like. Libido was, like, gone.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes. It just came back. It just came back.

[Nate]

But is that, like, something that happens?

[Rosebud Baker]

It does happen. Okay. Yeah. But I got back on. I got on Wellbutrin, and it's really. Now it's starting to, like.

[Nate]

Made you horny?

[Rosebud Baker]

Starting to wake me up a little.

[Nate]

Let's go.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Well, Butrin, orgasms are crazy. I didn't.

[Nate]

Again.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Wow.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I'm not on anything, but maybe I'll try it.

[Rosebud Baker]

Try it.

[Nate]

I'll try it. I thought about trying it just to see.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

You know?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I was. I felt, like, numb a little bit.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I was like, I'm not depressed, but I'm not, like, fighting to live. And so I was like, maybe that's. Hey, sister, sounds like a job for.

[Nate]

Been there. Yeah. You know, here's the problem, though. I've slept with so many guys who are on anti depressants, and they like being alive, but they can't come.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

If I can't come, I'm killing myself. And I do mean that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, I do.

[Nate]

I do. And I mean that sincerely.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

It's not like me being silly. I mean, like, if I can't come, I'm.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm out.

[Nate]

I'm killing myself.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Turning it off.

[Nate]

No note. Killing myself.

[Rosebud Baker]

Bye. Bye.

[Nate]

Yeah, I'll see y' all around. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Maybe just leave it as your voicemail message.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Just be like, sorry, can't come.

[Nate]

Sorry, can't come.

[Rosebud Baker]

Killing myself.

[Nate]

So I gotta go. If I can't come, I gotta go check it out.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Hey, guys, I'm so sorry I can't come. So I'm pulling out. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Chicago. You've been so much.

[Rosebud Baker]

You've been so great.

[Nate]

Yeah. No need to be coming. Yeah, need to be coming.

[Rosebud Baker]

In all seriousness, it's crazy that I went, like, a year and a half. Really? Or longer than that.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Because My kid was 18 months when I finally went on Wellbutrin and wanted to fuck again.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But it was like. It was a long time where I was like, I don't need it. I don't want it. I don't want any attention. Don't look at me. Don't talk. And it wasn't even like, just for my husband. It was like, if I looked out outside of my marriage, I'd be like, yuck.

[Nate]

When I considered cheating it made me sick.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

It was like, bleh.

[Nate]

Are you guys monog?

[Rosebud Baker]

Huh? Yeah.

[Nate]

Monog.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

Wow.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Monogamous, but very, very, like, open with each other, like.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, we'll talk about, like, all of these things that I'm saying to you right now. I would say to my husband, for sure. Yeah.

[Nate]

I think people. I think sometimes people that don't hang out with a lot of comedians are jarred by the way we talk about our lives.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

But I'm just like, yeah, everyone in my life just knows the deal. Like, this is. I'm just gonna tell the truth about the situation.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

I do. The only time I get weird about it. I wonder if you. Like, when I talk about my little cousins, sometimes I get. I get. I get weird about that because they're kids and they can't consent to being talked about like that.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yes.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And I would never share anything, but they say such funny shit.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

That I'm like, it is so funny. So those are the only things I really turn over about, like. Oh, should I say this right? But other than that, I never worry. I'll save, like, raunchy sexual At a show. I know. My mom's at.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Nate]

That's fine. We're adults.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I have this one joke right now about my daughter, and I'm like, it's. I can't wait to retire it. It's like, one of those things that I'm like, it'll never go anywhere. I'll tell the story on stage, but I'm like, I just don't like it. Because I'm like, there is something in me that's like. I don't. She doesn't. You know.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't want to do that to her.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, it's not. It doesn't feel right.

[Nate]

So interesting to think that, like, someday she's gonna grow up and, like. Watch your stand up.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, God. Yeah.

[Nate]

And be like, oh, that's what. That's. That's what mom was doing.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Crazy.

[Rosebud Baker]

Well, she'll say stuff like. Like last night, she was in the bath, and I heard her, you know, she was like, where's Mama? And Andy was like, oh, mama's in the other room. She goes, mama's on stage. And I was like, oh.

[Nate]

Nope.

[Rosebud Baker]

Whoops. Whoops.

[Nate]

That's so cool, though.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's.

[Nate]

It.

[Rosebud Baker]

Maybe it sounds cool, but it felt sad.

[Nate]

It felt sad because you're like. She. When she thinks of you, she thinks of you as being away.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And over there, that's like, what made me. Yeah, I was like, oh, I feel so guilty. Really? I do feel incredibly. That was part of the reason why I had to go on, like, the antidepressants and stuff. I felt so guilty with, like, SNL and fucking all those hours and being away from her.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And, like, never knowing if she was, like, gonna know that I was her mom, you know, I was like, I. I really started to. I wasn't prepared for that kind of guilt.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, that makes a lot of sense.

[Nate]

Yeah, I, I, I mean, I had a mom who was working all the time and was gone a lot, and I definitely, as a kid, was like, why the are you gone all the time? You're supposed to be my parent. Like, I definitely felt it as a kid. But I will say that's good.

[Rosebud Baker]

That makes me feel better.

[Nate]

No, but I'm saying I'm like, where is this?

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm abandoned, you know, And I haven't forgiven her, you know, and I never will, but she chose her path.

[Nate]

Rosebud, you have to let me finish. No, as an adult, I'm like, hello. Do you don't want. Like, I'm so glad I had a mom who was, like, doing and who, like, did make time to, like, have a life and, like, was providing for us. Oh, for sure.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

And kids don't know anything. They're stupid. Stupid.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. No, they are so dumb.

[Nate]

Their emotions are, like, fickle and dumb. They get upset about nothing.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, she asked me to talk like, Elmo, and she thinks I'm Elmo.

[Nate]

Yeah. It's like, you're not wise.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Sorry.

[Rosebud Baker]

You think I know anything?

[Nate]

Yeah. You would fall for anything. You're a rube.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

Kids are rubes.

[Rosebud Baker]

They're rubes.

[Nate]

You're a rube. You're a rube. You're an easy mark. Get out of here. What do you hope for? What do you want from her? Like, what do you want to happen for her? Her? If you had your dream, like, what do you. What would you want her life to be?

[Rosebud Baker]

Whatever she wants it to be.

[Nate]

I know people say that, and I hate that, but that's true. You don't have a dream for her.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

You're not like, oh, I hope she's.

[Rosebud Baker]

I have to dream for myself.

[Nate]

I know, but don't you dream for her sometimes when you're bored or.

[Rosebud Baker]

You. All right, if I. I would say I really do want. I want for us to be close.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And. And hopefully she's gay.

[Nate]

You think so?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. You want gay Kid, I. I do.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't know that that's gonna eliminate the threat of men, but it does eliminate, like, the relationships with them.

[Nate]

Yeah. Where I'm like, well, the threat of men is omnipresent. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes. But it's. I. I think about the relationships that I was in and I go, so if anybody fucking did to my daughter what they did to me, I would end their fucking life.

[Nate]

You friends with a lot of lesbians?

[Rosebud Baker]

Not really.

[Nate]

Actually, that's. Maybe I'm gathering that because when you said that, I don't think you know how bad it gets with lesbians.

[Rosebud Baker]

Really.

[Nate]

It's. It's a type of toxic that they couldn't make in a lab. Lesbian. I mean, you think. You think men and women get into it.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Dude. These girls are going through it. Dude. Lesbians are.

[Rosebud Baker]

You're, like, blowing my mind right now.

[Nate]

I'm shaking right now. I'm like, shaking, trembling. Thinking about some of the things my lesbian friends have been through. Because what it is is they're all. They're like, super.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm thinking like dv, though.

[Nate]

Domestic violence. Yeah. Look, it's obviously worse with straight people, but I'm saying there's something that can be okay when you get too. Two toxic women together.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And they understand, like, therapy language on a level that's like, oh, God, yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, I've been there. I've been there. Yeah.

[Nate]

The emotional torment that these women are able to put each other through.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

Lesbians is a different kind of torture.

[Rosebud Baker]

I could see that.

[Nate]

It's beautiful as well. I do think they have the best situation overall. Lesbians. They have the highest likelihood that it's going to go well.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Lesbians. But, man, I have been through some lesbian breakups that would like, they're are prisoners of war that haven't seen.

[Rosebud Baker]

Why do they. Why do they keep. Why do they all stay friends with each other after.

[Nate]

They can't help it. They can't help it. That's just how they are. I'm gonna cry.

[Rosebud Baker]

I guess I should ask my sister. My sister is lesbo. Yeah.

[Nate]

Nice.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. She just got married.

[Nate]

Is she the boy or the girl?

[Rosebud Baker]

The girl. Yeah, the girl.

[Nate]

Nice.

[Rosebud Baker]

For sure.

[Nate]

That's really nice. Sometimes there's two boys and two girls, even when they're both girls.

[Rosebud Baker]

But yeah.

[Nate]

There's a lot of times a boy and a girl.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. She's the girl.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

For sure.

[Nate]

That's nice.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. You know, I think the girl is whoever planned the wedding.

[Nate]

Yeah. Well. And you can tell by how they dress.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Well, also. Yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

Usually get them. It's always makes me laugh when. When homophobes are like. They try to be like, which one's the boy and which one's the girl? I'm like, take a look.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah. Whichever one's dressy, just eyeball it.

[Nate]

You dress like an electrician. That's the boy. Yep.

[Rosebud Baker]

Short hair.

[Nate]

Yep. The girls wearing the Britney Spears T shirt.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Yep.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's right.

[Nate]

Pretty easy with guys as well.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

It's easy to tell.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I should ask her, though. I mean, she didn't really date that many. She like dated a woman and married her. I think she dated one woman before, and then it was like a three week thing and then she met Chloe and now they're married.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But before that it was all men.

[Nate]

Chloe's the boy. Huh?

[Rosebud Baker]

Chloe's the boy.

[Nate]

Tough name for the boy.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know.

[Nate]

Do you know what my favorite trends is?

[Rosebud Baker]

What should we.

[Nate]

What Online. When. When they. They go ask. Like, like it's a thing. I've seen a bunch. I get served a lot of lesbian content because of my lifestyle and they'll.

[Rosebud Baker]

Can I vape while you. While you say this?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Are you upset by it?

[Nate]

No, I'm just worried about you. Who knows this. Okay. Have you. Yeah. Vape. I want you to vape.

[Rosebud Baker]

I feel like you're mad at me.

[Nate]

I'm not. I'm just concerned. I'm kidding. I'm really not. I really don't judge the vape. You look ridiculous. You know, you look ridiculous. But you should see some of the things I eat.

[Rosebud Baker]

There is a van. There's a fan. That's like literally blowing.

[Nate]

I don't mind that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

Everyone has to have their thing. And my thing. I. The reason I don't. I don't do. I don't do coke. I don't drink. I don't. The only things I do are.

[Rosebud Baker]

You never do any of those.

[Nate]

No. I smoke weed.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

And I eat garbage.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

These are my things.

[Rosebud Baker]

Thank God.

[Nate]

And that's. So I'm like, other people do meth and go to stay out at raves all night long and drink and drink and drink and drink, drink.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

That's their thing.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

My thing is that I eat garbage and smoke weed.

[Rosebud Baker]

There are some methods that eat garbage.

[Nate]

Totally.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Totally.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

There. Yeah. There's an interesting thing in the gay guy community where the. The fat phobes in the gay guy community will be like, I want someone who takes care of themselves. And then they're on meth at like.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

You know, circuit parties.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

And I'm like, right, so you mean something else, But I get the idea.

[Rosebud Baker]

I get what you're saying.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Someone who looks like they take care of them.

[Nate]

I got them. Yeah. I understood what you needed.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. They just meant. Yeah. Yeah.

[Nate]

Thin.

[Rosebud Baker]

Thin, which is fabulous.

[Nate]

Thin is so fun. I love thin sometimes. I've dated thin people.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Some of my closest friends are thin.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't. I don't like a really thin look on a. On a guy.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. It always. To me, I'm like, are you sick?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, Joe.

[Nate]

My God. Do you know who the hottest TV dad of all time was to me?

[Rosebud Baker]

Who?

[Nate]

Dan Connor from Roseanne.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

God.

[Rosebud Baker]

Well, actually, mine is more toxic, but it's Tony Soprano now. Yeah, Tony Soprano was.

[Nate]

I learned a lot about you just now.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Yeah, you did.

[Nate]

Yeah. That's beautiful, though.

[Rosebud Baker]

I've rewatched that show so many times, and every single time I have sex dreams about him.

[Nate]

You know, he is. He is sexy, but he's not nice to Carmela.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, but he'll. He'll fuck you on the subway in your dreams.

[Nate]

Yeah, but he's bad to Carmela.

[Rosebud Baker]

But Carmela is bad to Carmela too. Sorry, I'll say it.

[Nate]

What do you mean?

[Rosebud Baker]

Carmela knows what she's getting into. That's what. That's the beauty of Carmela is that she's not like a one dimensional character, you know, that she knows what the Going on.

[Nate]

She loves it too.

[Rosebud Baker]

And she's like. She gets into like the. You know, the church to, like, atone for it. But she's never gonna leave.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And it's. She likes the money.

[Nate]

She loves the money and the status. She likes being the first lady. Yes, she does. And she always pot. She postures as if she's like. Like outside of it. But Carmela, you're part of it.

[Rosebud Baker]

You are a part of it.

[Nate]

Yeah. And don't get me started on Meadow. I mean, what a pill.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, Meadow is absolutely.

[Nate]

What a pill Meadow is.

[Rosebud Baker]

Stop it, stop it.

[Nate]

Meadow, who's your favorite character on that show?

[Rosebud Baker]

I would say Christopher.

[Nate]

Really?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I must be loyal to my capo.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I like Christopher just because he's such a fuck up.

[Nate]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

He's such an interesting character.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know, I wouldn't say he's like my favorite. Like, oh, let's hang out. But he's my favorite character in terms of, like, the way he's written.

[Nate]

Mine's Janice.

[Rosebud Baker]

Janice Yes.

[Nate]

Janice icon, dude.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, my God. Janice is great. I didn't even think about Janice.

[Nate]

Janice is amazing.

[Rosebud Baker]

She is.

[Nate]

She's fucking awesome.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

She's like the hippie sister that went away and came back. Ends up, which. This happens to a lot of hippie girls. They go back and just end up doing the marrying the guy from home thing.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

Then she kills. Killed him. Which is awesome.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's the greatest scene. I will watch that scene when I'm PMSing.

[Nate]

Just.

[Rosebud Baker]

Just to. Just to blow off steam.

[Nate]

Some feminine rage.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. God, it's so good.

[Nate]

What were we talking about?

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't know.

[Nate]

Yeah, we really got away from it. I have a question for you, though.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

What's so true to you?

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, Rosebud Baker.

[Nate]

What's so true to you?

[Rosebud Baker]

What's so true to me?

[Nate]

You didn't think about it, did you?

[Rosebud Baker]

No, I did. Shouldn't.

[Nate]

It's the whole name of the show.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know. I know.

[Nate]

This is a shame.

[Rosebud Baker]

What's so true? Well, let's keep talking and it'll come to me.

[Nate]

Well, we could play a segment. You want to play the game?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Chance. My papers. Bitterman.

[Rosebud Baker]

Bitterman.

[Nate]

Chance has to bring me my papers. Thank you, Chance. Thank you, Chance. Rosebud.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I'm going to read you 15 statements. Wait.

[Rosebud Baker]

I thought about it.

[Nate]

Well, we'll come back to it.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay.

[Nate]

I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said is true or false.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay?

[Nate]

If you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you 50 US dollars.

[Rosebud Baker]

Okay?

[Nate]

Huge. You ready? You ready?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Sea otters hold hands when they sleep.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes. True.

[Nate]

Humans have been on Earth longer than dinosaurs were.

[Rosebud Baker]

True.

[Nate]

False. False. And is the most spoken English word word.

[Rosebud Baker]

False.

[Nate]

False. It's the Langley High School's mascot is Harry the Whistleblower.

[Rosebud Baker]

False.

[Nate]

False. It's.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like a Viking.

[Nate]

Otto the Saxon. Hawaii is the only US State to never record a temp of zero.

[Rosebud Baker]

False.

[Nate]

It's true. Only. Only female mosquitoes bite.

[Rosebud Baker]

False.

[Nate]

True. And I'm not surprised to hear it either. Austin Butler's from Waco, Texas.

[Rosebud Baker]

False.

[Nate]

False. He's from Anaheim, California.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Visa is older than MasterCard.

[Rosebud Baker]

True.

[Nate]

True. Emerson College has a campus in Netherlands.

[Rosebud Baker]

False.

[Nate]

True.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

What?

[Rosebud Baker]

I went there.

[Nate]

Sorry. May 11th is the most common birthday in the U.S. false. False. It's September 9th. A group of zebras is called a dazzle.

[Rosebud Baker]

I hope so. I hope that's true. I'm gonna say true because I want it to be true. Yes.

[Nate]

Water has an expiration date.

[Rosebud Baker]

False.

[Nate]

False. Jessica Alba has a Tony Award.

[Rosebud Baker]

No.

[Nate]

False.

[Rosebud Baker]

False.

[Nate]

St. Louis is the capital of Missouri.

[Rosebud Baker]

I just rejected it.

[Nate]

No, no, she can't.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

No.

[Rosebud Baker]

St. Louis is the capital of Missouri. Is that true?

[Nate]

False. It's Jefferson City. Fake town. A mountain lion, puma, cougar, and panther are all the same animal.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm gonna say true.

[Nate]

That is true.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

How'd she do? 10. Shut up. You won?

[Rosebud Baker]

Really?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

$50.

[Nate]

I got pretty close. That's probably gonna be cool. Slow that down in the edit. Make me look cool on that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Rosebud, what's so true to you?

[Rosebud Baker]

I think that what is so true is people who give you advice are actually just telling you what they want for themselves.

[Nate]

What do you mean?

[Rosebud Baker]

When somebody offers you advice, what they're saying is what they should have done.

[Nate]

What they would have. What they should have done in the situation.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

Oh, I thought you meant they're telling you what would be most convenient for them for you to do.

[Rosebud Baker]

Like, if.

[Nate]

Like, if you're like, oh, should I go to the grocery store today? And I really need you to get out of the house? I'd be like, oh, you have to do.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, no.

[Nate]

You're saying. Okay.

[Rosebud Baker]

I'm saying if somebody's offering you advice, they're saying they're like, be like me.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And you shouldn't listen to people who do that.

[Nate]

Yeah, I'm like this. I'm like that.

[Rosebud Baker]

What.

[Nate]

I do that. I give. I give people advice to be like me.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, me too.

[Nate]

Yeah, I do that.

[Rosebud Baker]

But I think it's. I think everybody does.

[Nate]

Yeah. You think it's a common thing.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's why I think it's so true.

[Nate]

Yeah. So you don't think that we should take that advice, though?

[Rosebud Baker]

So listen, if it works for you, it works for you.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But I don't think that you should take advice from anyone that is, like, I. I don't like, you know, anybody who calls themselves, like, a guru or anybody who calls himself, like, a thought leader or a life coach or. I. I think those people especially are, like, mentally unhinged.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And need to be. Needs some help. They need more help than you do.

[Nate]

Yeah. They're worse off. If I ever come to power, there'll be very specific groups that are in trouble, and it won't be the boring. Like, it won't be, like, immigrants and stuff. That sucks. It'll be like, life coaches.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

Like, you're going to jail.

[Rosebud Baker]

You absolutely belong You're a charlatan.

[Nate]

You're going to jail.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. And especially the ones that like, that have, like, a specific set of rules. You know what I mean?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

A set of, like. I'm thinking of, like, short men that assault people and. Period.

[Nate]

Yeah, Short men, period, period.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Yeah. No, I do like short men sometimes. Well, when they're drawn. When they're sweet, you know.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

If you're sweet.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

But when a short man's angry, it's too much for the little container.

[Rosebud Baker]

Well, I think tall men, really. Yeah, that's true.

[Nate]

You know that's true. You need to be tall so that can. The hate can spread out.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And you're short.

[Rosebud Baker]

A short man who's angry is actually really terrifying.

[Nate]

Horrifying.

[Rosebud Baker]

You're so right. But I do think that tall men, they get a lot of love. Yeah. And I loved a tall man, you know, I still love it. I'm married to a tall man.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But, you know, once you're pregnant with their kid, you're like, I should have thought this through.

[Nate]

How tall is your man?

[Rosebud Baker]

Six.

[Nate]

Two. It's good height.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

It's a good height for a man.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's a good height for a man.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Not a great height for a baby.

[Nate]

Baby. Your baby's. You're really worried about your baby's height?

[Rosebud Baker]

I really am. She's tall. She's. I just think it's so crazy that you can give birth to someone who's taller than you.

[Nate]

Yeah. Yeah. It's probably gonna happen.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's so crazy. You never hear about that. You know, like, you. You wouldn't see a hippo give birth to a giraffe.

[Nate]

Right. You know, we do that as humans, though. Yeah. My grandma's right here.

[Rosebud Baker]

Crazy.

[Nate]

I tower over her.

[Rosebud Baker]

Crazy.

[Nate]

I could kick her down so easy.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I never do because I love her, but she would be easy to kick down.

[Rosebud Baker]

And you do think about it.

[Nate]

Push her, right? No, I just think she's right there where my foot is, you know?

[Rosebud Baker]

So you thought about it.

[Nate]

I don't want to kick her down.

[Rosebud Baker]

But you've thought about it.

[Nate]

Nothing to do.

[Rosebud Baker]

Would feel good.

[Nate]

It would take nothing to kick her down. It might feel good to K and down.

[Rosebud Baker]

Would it. Would it make you giggle for a second?

[Nate]

Well, she would fall funny. Probably. I don't want to hurt her. No, but of course she would fall funny. She's a little old lady.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And I can.

[Rosebud Baker]

The sound she would make would be hilarious.

[Nate]

I wouldn't even really have to.

[Rosebud Baker]

She'd probably say something like blur.

[Nate]

Blur.

[Rosebud Baker]

You know what I mean?

[Nate]

Or. Yeah, something like that.

[Rosebud Baker]

Something crazy.

[Nate]

Yeah. I. I mean, yeah. It's funny. It's funny to think about, but I don't want her to fall.

[Rosebud Baker]

No.

[Nate]

Because I love her too dearly. It would be.

[Rosebud Baker]

Be sad.

[Nate]

I did want to bring one thing up to you.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

You got kicked off your high school cheerleading team.

[Rosebud Baker]

I did.

[Nate]

How and why?

[Rosebud Baker]

Where's the research team?

[Nate]

Right there.

[Rosebud Baker]

Bravo.

[Nate]

You're looking at him.

[Rosebud Baker]

I got kicked off my high school cheerleading team. I made a joke about somebody's appearance.

[Nate]

Rose. Bud.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, I did.

[Nate]

Horrible. What'd you say?

[Rosebud Baker]

I literally can't repeat it on it.

[Nate]

It was a fat joke.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, it wasn't.

[Nate]

You sick.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, it was. It was her face.

[Nate]

Face. Oh.

[Rosebud Baker]

It was about her face.

[Nate]

How old were you? 16, 17.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't know how old you are in high school anymore.

[Nate]

It's like 15 to 18.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. So around that somewhere in there, same age.

[Nate]

Why'd you do it? Did she at least deserve it?

[Rosebud Baker]

I think she had said some shit about me, like, behind my back, but. Or I heard about it. I don't remember exactly. All I remember was I was right.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

Which is what you need to remember in arguments.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But. But you know, was I. Should I have made the joke that I made? Not. Probably not.

[Nate]

No. No.

[Rosebud Baker]

Probably not.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

But did it feel good to say it?

[Nate]

Also, her face shouldn't look like that. Probably. If she's going to be mean. That's the thing. If you're going to be mean, you have to be prepared for people to come for you.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's what I'm saying. I. I was like, you should be pretty.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

If you're going to be mean in high school, you should be pretty. That's one of the main rules of high school.

[Nate]

Yeah. Hello. Yeah, there was a. I remember there was a girl that I went to. To high school with who. Who she accidentally sent a text about me to me. Shut the up in high school. And it was really mean. It was about how fat I am and how I need to, like, get on a treadmill. And I. I hadn't done anything to her. Like, I had just been. I. She was annoyed by me, which is not doing something to someone. Being annoying is not doing something to someone. And I. I really hated that girl for a long time.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Because I was like, who were you gonna send this to?

[Rosebud Baker]

Right. Did she tell you?

[Nate]

You. She didn't tell me who she was gonna send it to.

[Rosebud Baker]

She copped to the fact that she was like, oh, she felt horrible.

[Nate]

She felt really bad.

[Rosebud Baker]

What did she say? How did you try to save it?

[Nate]

She was, she was like. She was like, I'm so sorry. That wasn't supposed to go to you.

[Rosebud Baker]

Obviously, I feel so bad.

[Nate]

And like, obviously, you don't deserve that. And I was like. I was like, yeah, we're not, we're not friends. You shouldn't talk to me for a while. And she was. And she was like. She was like, I'm so sorry. Like, can we talk about it? And I was like, no, there's really nothing to talk about. That was really mean.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And I don't want to talk to you for a while. While.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And I think I did eventually end up saying something mean about her family.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I was like, if I came from a family like yours, I probably wouldn't be saying things this mean about people for no reason.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Absolutely.

[Nate]

She came from a broken family. Yes.

[Rosebud Baker]

Good for you.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Good for you.

[Nate]

But I can say that because I also come from a broken family. But that's why I didn't talk bad about people is because my family is broken.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. That's why. Yeah. No, I really think that, like, if you. I love that you said that.

[Nate]

If you come from a broken family, you need to keep things pretty tight.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

The home structure's a mess.

[Rosebud Baker]

You should know how to keep secrets.

[Nate]

Don't worry about me being fat. Where's your dad?

[Rosebud Baker]

Right. You know, maybe if you were better at keeping your mouth shut, he wouldn't have left.

[Nate]

Meanwhile, my dad's not there either. You know what I mean?

[Rosebud Baker]

Doesn't matter.

[Nate]

It doesn't matter.

[Rosebud Baker]

Doesn't matter.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

No, that's the thing is, like, I have a problem if I, I. If I, if somebody really pisses me off. Okay. And it takes a while. It takes a lot. It does. But once somebody gets me there, I will say something that I cannot take back because it is true.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

I will say something.

[Nate]

You'll go to the truthful place.

[Rosebud Baker]

I will go to a truthful place.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And it's something that I've been observing for a long time.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And you can tell that I ha. Have chosen not to say anything about it.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Rosebud Baker]

And now I've. Now I've crossed that threshold.

[Nate]

Well, I think a lot of comedians have this superpower, which is that I'm not necessarily thinking negative about the things that you hate about yourself, but it's easy to tell. It's so easy to tell what someone doesn't like about themselves.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yes.

[Nate]

And I can certainly log it, and I'm not holding on to it. I don't want to hurt someone ever.

[Rosebud Baker]

No.

[Nate]

But I. I will say I have a power that I don't use almost ever. That I could really take someone down if I needed to.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, 100.

[Nate]

I don't want to, but sometimes when people are evil, you get the impulse.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. Caleb, it does kind of feel good when it.

[Nate]

Well, of course. Because if they've been evil, it's like I'm. Do. I'm. I'm Batman.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

I'm like. I'm Robin Hood.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. I'm a vigilante in my own life.

[Nate]

Yeah. I'm doing good. I'm stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

You know?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Even though you don't want to use.

[Rosebud Baker]

The poor is me. And the rich is also me.

[Nate]

And the rich is me as well. Yeah. Yeah. I'm stealing from me and giving to me.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah. It does feel good. I would love to see you lose your shit at some point. I mean, I don't want that for you, but I would love to see it. Like, I would watch it and be proud.

[Nate]

Chance has known me since we were 17 years old. Old. Have. When. I mean, when. When do you think I most lost my. Oh, man. There's been a couple times I. I think maybe when you've most lost your. I. It doesn't happen very often, but I'm open to hearing about it. But there's been, like, little there. You. You kept it pretty calm. But you got close in Seattle when that guy was being weird because we, like, bumped into his door in the parking lot of the Starbucks. Oh, my God. He almost got. Interesting side of me. Yeah. So what happened was we were on tour and it was who was in the car that. Me, Lily. You in Virginia? Yeah. So Lily Sullivan was with us. Do you know Lily? She's this comedy bang bang. She's so funny.

[Rosebud Baker]

I don't think I know her.

[Nate]

You gotta check out her stuff. She's so, so funny. She's been on the show. She's very funny. She went on tour with us for a little bit in the Pacific Northwest. It's me, Chance, our friend Virginia, who does social media for the show. And then Lily, who was like, our guest for that leg, and we were leaving a Starbucks, and when we were getting in the car, one of the girls tapped. There was a car next to us. Like, tapped his car with our door. Yeah, Barely.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

And this guy gets out and starts like. Like, yelling at her and I was like, you get in the car. And then I got out and I was like, what's your problem?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And he was like, she hit my car. And I was like, she barely touched it. You need to relax and lower your voice.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, it's just like.

[Nate]

I don't know, he was probably like 25 or something. Something like, jim, bro, ew. And he was like. He was like, look. And I was like, I'm looking at it. There's nothing. And he was pointing to, like, a dirt spec that, like, transferred from the door.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

And I went, I think you'll live.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And he goes. He goes, no, no. Give me your information. I was like, I'm not giving you anything. We're leaving and you're not doing anything about it. Goodbye.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yes.

[Nate]

And I got in the car and then he, like, followed us for a second, like, take pictures of our license plate. Oh. He goes. He told me, I'm gonna take picture of your license plate. And I go, great. Have fun sending a picture of my rental car license plate to the cops. What does that mean to me? I was like. I was like, you're a loser. Get in your car. I was inches away from having a physical fight with him.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Because he was yelling, was it Lily or Virginia? It was at Lily. It really pissed me off. Yeah, you're like, yelling at, like, a woman who barely touched your car. I was like, psycho. Get in your car, loser. And his tone, immediately, he didn't, like, get super cool, but his tone shifted big time when I got out of the car.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And I'm like, so you know what you were doing then?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

You were being menacing because you thought you could get away with it.

[Rosebud Baker]

Right.

[Nate]

So you're evil and someone should kick your ass. Yeah, I'm not going to because I have to go to a show.

[Rosebud Baker]

I have a show to get to.

[Nate]

I have to do a show. A sold out show. But if I didn't, perhaps we would fight.

[Rosebud Baker]

Fight. We might fight with our hands.

[Nate]

Yeah. That was close. That was probably the most recent time, actually.

[Rosebud Baker]

Oh, my God. I would love that. That's hot.

[Nate]

That was crazy.

[Rosebud Baker]

That's hot to me. I'm toxic.

[Nate]

You are. Tony Soprano told a lot.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

Tony Soprano gave a lot away.

[Rosebud Baker]

I know, I know. I can't help it, though. There's something about it that, like, a man losing his, like, in defense of a woman does something. Oh, love it.

[Nate]

Nice. Well, good to know.

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Rosebud, it's been a delight to have you.

[Rosebud Baker]

It's been a delight to be here.

[Nate]

We love you here more than life itself.

[Rosebud Baker]

I love you more than life itself.

[Nate]

Thank you for having me. Do you want to tell people where they can find you? Where they can watch the special, etc?

[Rosebud Baker]

Yeah, you can watch my special on Netflix. It's called the Mother Load. L O D E Not the Gross Way.

[Nate]

Yeah, yuck.

[Rosebud Baker]

And. And I'm on tour. You can check my website, rosebudbaker.com.

[Nate]

Go see Rosebud on tour. We love you, dude. Thanks for doing it.

[Rosebud Baker]

Thanks for having me.

[Nate]

Yeah, anytime. That was a headgum podcast.