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Chris Bentley
Hey, welcome to the Social 333 podcast. I'm your host, Chris Bentley. Today My guest is Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. McCullough, how are you sir?
Dr. Peter McCullough
It's great to be here.
Chris Bentley
Awesome. Thanks for being on the show. Tell the audience a little bit about yourself and what you got going on.
Dr. Peter McCullough
I'm Dr. Peter McCullough. I'm in practice as an internist and cardiologist here in Dallas. I see patients every day as part of my clinical work, but I also serve as the president of the McCullough foundation, which is an investigative research and public health policy foundation. And I'm the chief scientific officer of the Wellness company.
Chris Bentley
Talk to me about your book. I heard it just hit the New York Times bestseller.
Dr. Peter McCullough
New York Times bestseller Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology and reality. I wrote it with John Leake. John's also in Dallas. He's a best selling author and this is a gripping 300 year history with a story about how the whole idea of vaccines came about, bringing us up to the crescendo of the COVID 19 vaccine campaign. And what we set out to do is answer the question, how could there be such a madness fall upon the world with respect to vaccination? And we Realized throughout history, this whole field has been driven by fear of infectious diseases. A lot of bold claims that couldn't be supported at the time. A presentation to the public, really, to accept this based on faith, and then a lot of money and a lot of power from the very beginning. And if you mix those together, you can end up with, unfortunately, in the case of so many campaigns, a bad outcome.
Chris Bentley
And you've written another book, the courage to face COVID 19. And this was a book that you wrote previously, correct?
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right. This one really told the story, and a lot of it took place here in Dallas about the suppression of our efforts to treat patients early on and how global that suppression was. I mean, patients were getting sick with this novel virus, which we now know came from a Chinese biosecurity lab. And myself and so many across the world were coming up with approaches to. To keep people out of the hospital and alive. And everything we did was suppressed. It was suppressed by the media, suppressed by government agencies, and this was worldwide. And the title of it is encouraged to face COVID 19. We faced the problem and there was a few doctors out there that did it, and nurses with us preventing hospitalizations and deaths while battling the biopharmaceutical complex. We realized that we were battling a very well coordinated cartel that had one plan, one approach for this pandemic and probably future ones, and that's mass vaccination.
Chris Bentley
That's the thing that.
I think is a big topic in a lot of people's minds is the lying, the people behind the scenes pushing vaccine, the profits that were being made. Lawmakers, you know, I know you spoke in front of a lot of lawmakers. You know, you did U.S. senate, U.S. house of Representatives, European Parliament, and I know you testify multiple times. I think.
They'Re just more than meets the eye, you know, And I think a lot of people know that now and they still kind of really, like, I really don't know that. You know, obviously you have more experience than I do, but just everybody's like, oh, yeah, that was a lie, or, yeah, like other people got paid, or, yeah, it was set up by, you know, global powers that we were going to have this anyway and they took advantage of us. What are your kind of thoughts on a lot of that speculation and a lot of, like, that stuff that happened. And I guess it's more of just people thinking that this was all planned from the beginning.
Dr. Peter McCullough
There's plenty of evidence now suggesting pandemic planning had been going on for decades. Goes Back to the 2005 PREP Act PREP act means we're preparing for a pandemic. It was memorialized into law. And when that happened, the countermeasures would be immune from liability. Countermeasures. Anything the government wants to do to combat a pandemic. They were clearly winners and losers through the pandemic. No doubt about it, more than 60% of businesses closed, never recovered. People who lost their jobs never got them back. Those who got kicked out of the military, most never came back. And the winners, boy, were they winners. This was the greatest transference of wealth in human history. When Klaus Schwab, who at the time was heading the World Economic Forum, wrote the Great Reset, he wrote it like three months into the pandemic and said this, this is the great Reset. This is going to change everything. Boy, was he right. People now work from home. Everything's been shifted. People order things from home. You know, the home delivery services like Amazon, they did incredibly well through the pandemic. And boy, did the vaccine companies. Your typical blockbuster drug would earn a billion dollars in its first year of sales. After 20 years of research and development, these vaccines race through development in a matter of months, and then within a couple years, they made tens of billions of dollars. There's been no biopharmaceutical product that's done this well financially compared to the COVID vaccines.
Chris Bentley
So when I was going through it, I made a lot of money because a lot of real estate agents didn't want to go out. I showed a lot of homes and the people were freaked out. Like, I had to open up all the windows, all the doors. I stood outside, and they'd show up in, like, biohazard suits and they would look at a house, and I made a ton of money, and there wasn't a whole lot of houses for sale, or people didn't want to list their home for sale because.
You know, they didn't want this infectious disease from somebody else that could be carried on shoes or whatever propaganda stuff that came out. And I made a ton of money, and sellers are making tons of money because there weren't any houses. And we were just jacking up the price. I sold one for over $100,000 more than what they were asking. And I was already way over asking, so there was just a lot of that, that that went on. I made a lot of money, and I also know a lot of people that lost a lot of money or lost their lives. But what the news was feeding us was just absolute propaganda. I mean, it just video shot of people getting buried in, like, mass Graves and all this other stuff. And I don't know if it was real or not, but it looked like propaganda to me, especially now with the way AI is and stuff like that. I can only imagine that it was just clips and videos of just something that wasn't really real.
I saw a lot of stuff about how it came from the Wuhan market or whatever it was, however you pronounce it, and it came from eating bats or different things. And then we come to find out that it was really grown in a lab. People knew about it, people were funding it, high level people were funding it.
When you went to go testify, well, two things on that, like, how hard or how difficult was it to testify? Obviously, like, you got a ton of media on you and like some of the, you know, most decorated, like senators and congressmen and then two.
Dr. Peter McCullough
What did.
Chris Bentley
You really pull from that? Did you pull that? You know, they didn't really know anything or it was just kind of a smokescreen or they knew and they were just kind of playing the part of the dumb senator or the dumb congressperson.
Dr. Peter McCullough
I think most knew or they, you know, became. They came into an understanding over the course of things. But we're so deep into this now, very few people can come out and say, you know what, I was wrong. And there were a few senators who called it right from the very beginning. Senator Ron Johnson is one of them. Recently I just met in his chambers, Rand Paul. Rand Paul called it right. Marjorie Taylor Greene, I testified for her committee in the House, called it right. Someone like Tucker Carlson that went on Tucker early on, Tucker called it right. Joe Rogan, Novak Djokovic, and we can kind of go down the list. Aaron Rodgers, there's some people who just made the right call on the pandemic. What Joe wrote in the back of my new book, he wrote, Dr. McCullough was right about everything. And, you know, I went on abc, I went on Fox newsmax, all the big news stations. And what I did is I was careful. I cited the literature, first author and year published. I was treating patients. So I was as credible as any person in America. And from the very beginning, in just a careful, scientific, dispassionate way, I told the truth. And when you do that.
The only thing that senators and members of the House of Representatives can do is fundamentally show respect and understand so we can move forward because this still goes on today.
Yeah.
Chris Bentley
And I know a lot of people, like the medical industry got paid very, very well. And I'm not going to name particular names, but we all know.
In terms of just some stuff I've seen recently where it's almost like it's a scare tactic. You know, it's like, oh, massacre. Coming back out in California because of whatever. And I see that stuff. And then, you know, I have, like, my sister, she lives and dies by the news, and she doesn't think anything outside of the news is wrong. So you have somebody that's like that, where they go, oh, well, hey, you know, you know, I must go get a vaccine, because now we have a new mask coming on and it's like, oh, well, that makes sense. I'll go get vaccines. And before you know it, you know, you're putting some stuff in your body that has no medical background. You don't know if it's going to kill you or not kill you. And there's been no real. From what I know, there's been no real test on. On actual humans, except people that actually took it because they were fearful or they actually had an issue. And I just. I've heard all kinds of stuff. I've heard some people that have worse health conditions. I've heard them having, like, burning intestines. I have heart issues. I've. I've heard, like, enlarged hearts and stuff like that. I don't know if that's true or another propaganda or like, just something that's put out through the news. But what have you heard and seen? Because you're more on the front line than I am.
Dr. Peter McCullough
I see patients every day in my office who've been injured or disabled from these vaccines. The COVID vaccines were the most dangerous biopharmaceutical products ever to be used on the human population. And we have evidence now that shots taken in 2021 are still causing damage in people today in 2025. They're not out of the body. We have a patient of mine here in Dallas who we're working with the research lab in Germany. And we've been very careful about this. We're repeating all the measurements, but he took the shots, three shots in 2021 and early 2022. 3.2 years later, he. He has circulating Pfizer messenger RNA and spike protein produced from it in his bloodstream.
Chris Bentley
Wow.
Dr. Peter McCullough
And it's damaging his heart. It's caused blood clots. We know this spike protein causes stroke, autoimmunity, nerve damage, and, you know, it may cause cancer. There was a recent report out just this week. It's on my focal point substack, where a cancer is taken out and it's loaded with the vaccine Spike protein right in the cancer tissue.
Chris Bentley
Oh wow. Is there some way that somebody did like maybe a one shot or a two shot and then do they have to get like checked up on all the time? Or is it something that you possibly foresee in the future where they have some sort of test that they can test for this kind of stuff to figure out if they have it floating around in their system?
Dr. Peter McCullough
We've worked on this and I have over 100 peer reviewed publications on the topic. And for sure there's a very useful blood test. Now this has been a breakthrough. It's an antibody directed against the spike protein and you can order it yourself. You don't even need a doctor. You can go to LabCorp, go to labs on demand infectious diseases COVID 19 antibody sign up, pay $69, go into LabCorp, they have offices all over. Get your blood test and when the test comes back, look at the antibodies against the spike protein. If the number is less than 1,000 units per milliliter, every study shows in my clinical experience, you're fine, probably got it out of the body. Whether you've had the infection or certainly if you've had the vaccine. The vaccine loads about 10 times as much spike protein in the body than the infection. But if you're over 5,000, it actually, the spike protein may be in the bloodstream. If you're at 10, 15, 20,000, watch out. That's where we see all kinds of problems. And so patients need what's called spike detoxification and that is a product by the wellness company. It's called the ultimate Spike detox. Two capsules, twice a day, empty stomach. This will help clear the Spike protein out of the body. It takes about a year or so. But the wellness company Ultimate Spike detox is the best in class product.
Chris Bentley
Wow. One year for it to get out of your system.
That's wild.
From your experience because I, I kind of feel like this is going to be a repeat at some point. You know, they're going to say, okay, well you know what, this worked pretty well. You know, we had some blowback here and there, we had some problems. Now we're going to come up with something that's a little bit different.
And.
You know, obviously at the end of the day it's, it's for profit. Right? Do you see that kind of for in the foreseeable future where they say, hey, okay, this kind of worked, we'll fix some of the stuff that we didn't think that was going to be a problem. Now we'll fix it. And now we'll have another kind of outbreak or a lockdown or something like that in the future to force some other propaganda or some other master plan of something that we want to do, whether it be, you know.
Monitoring or whatever the global elites or whoever has, you know, that's behind a lot of this stuff, their agenda. Do you really kind of see that happening in the future?
Dr. Peter McCullough
For sure. You know, former White House coronavirus advisor Anthony Fauci, Ashish Jha, the coronavirus coordinator, Bill Gates, World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, Tedros Cabresas, who, Jeremy Farrar, who they've all said publicly there will be another pandemic, it's just a matter of time. And they call it disease X. In fact, cepi, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation, has published a whole white paper on this saying there's going to be disease X. It's going to come out of a biosecurity lab because scientists are cooking up these viruses at the same time. They're trying to create what's called countermeasures, antibodies, vaccines, therapeutics to combat it. So if you hold the biological threat and you hold the answer in your hand, you hold power. We have government agencies working on this. We have an NIH branch called BARDA and a military branch called darpa. That's all they're doing, is trying to do this to create a new pathogen. They're considered pathogens. A dual purpose. They can get the whole world sick and hopefully provide an answer to that. It's an incredible Gamble. There are 14 biosecurity labs in the United States, just as dangerous as the Wuhan lab. We have one in Galveston, Texas here. They're very loosely regulated. Trump recently has just pulled funding out of these projects, but they don't need US funding. They can be funded by the Chinese Communist Party. They can be funded by the Gates foundation, by Wellcome Trust, by cepi. The bottom line is we need to shut down this gain of function, dual purpose pathogen research. It's dangero. There's hundreds of leaks that go on. This is well documented on my substack focal points. We've cited all the peer reviewed papers on this. Biosecurity labs are a public health threat. This pandemic didn't come out of nature. It came out of Wuhan, China, from a biosecurity lab. The next thing that's going to dramatically harm the population, put us into lockdown, or maybe even worse, is going to be another pandemic that comes out of a biosecurity lab.
Chris Bentley
Is there anything that we can do as a population outside of defunding or holding people accountable? I always thought about this with the global elites. Is there a way that we can obviously get rid of the global elites and then we'll have a normal society again? Or is it just going to be more of a.
Just. I feel like they're just doing it to either make their, their master plan go as expected or make more money or it's just they have a ton of money already. It's just kind of a thing for them to do. Like is it, is that kind of what you're seeing or is it just more of just a power money situation for the next round?
Dr. Peter McCullough
What's kryptonite to the global elites is a noncompliant population do not comply and a strong healthy population is far less likely to get sick. If there's going to be another pandemic, it'll probably be just like Covid. It's going to be an infectious respiratory virus. We now have many nasal sprays and gargles that are way better than masks or locking down. And nasal sprays and gargles could have prevented Covid, prevent bird flu prevention, the next respiratory illness. And we're talking about things simple like saline or iodine with saline or xylitol based products. So I advise my patients and the public at large, we go through cold and flu season. If we ever go through another Covid, we learn this through Covid for sure. Use a twice daily nasal spray and gargle. I mean really, you know, spray it up there, sniff it back, spit it out, gargle for about 30 seconds, hold it in your mouth for about 3 minutes. Do it twice a day. My favorite products are clear X, L E A R and the companion gargle spry S, P R Y.
Chris Bentley
Dr. Mercola, if somebody's interested in getting more information from you or wanted to know more about.
Your research on just the pandemic vaccines and.
You know, helping out in terms of making sure that they don't get sick in the future. Where would they find you?
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, my professional website is petermcullamd.com that'll take you everywhere. Go to mcculloughfnd.org that's the McCullough foundation that supports us on all our efforts in Washington. Really fighting for the public, fighting for medical freedom. Check out my books. You'll find them on the websites. And every day everybody should sign up to focal points. Focal Points is a substack, so go to substack. Look for focal points, get a free email and update all the cited information. You'll see me on national TV in Washington. I'm dealing with people at the highest level all over the world, but I'm bringing them the hard truth. And if you follow me, then you'll get stronger yourself in pushing medical freedom forward.
Chris Bentley
Dr. McCullough, I really appreciate you stopping by and being a guest.
Dr. Peter McCullough
Thank you, thank you.
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Date: November 7, 2025
Host: Chris D. Bentley
Guest: Dr. Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH
This episode explores controversial perspectives on the COVID-19 pandemic and vaccine response, with Dr. Peter McCullough sharing his critiques of vaccine policy, insights into biosecurity labs, and views on governmental and pharmaceutical industry actions. The conversation also delves into alternative public health strategies and the likelihood of future pandemics, with repeated concerns about profit motives, political coordination, and suppression of dissent.
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The conversation is deeply skeptical of mainstream public health and media narratives, with Dr. McCullough framing the pandemic and response as orchestrated by powerful, profit-driven interests. He repeatedly urges individual critical thinking, resistance to compliance, and proactive health strategies outside institutional recommendations. The episode’s tone is candid, sometimes combative and explicitly contrarian, with an undercurrent of alarm and a call for personal autonomy.
For more information, listeners are encouraged to visit Dr. McCullough’s website, foundation, and Substack.