120: No Rings with Shaun Murphy | Soder Podcast | EP 118

Summary

Soder Podcast - Episode 120: No Rings with Shaun Murphy

Date: February 10, 2026
Host: Dan Soder
Guest: Shaun Murphy

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant episode, comedian Dan Soder welcomes fellow comic and Buffalo native Shaun Murphy for a lively, comedic deep-dive into the emotional rituals, tribal insanity, and dark humor of underdog sports fandom—especially as it relates to their shared experiences as long-suffering fans of teams like the Buffalo Bills and San Francisco 49ers. Their conversation ranges from the psychology of rooting for perennial losers, resentment toward dynasties, and how sports mirror politics, to the pitfalls of modern stand-up and the ways AI creeps into daily life. They digress into fast food, regional rivalries, stand-up shop talk, and what makes a "real" comedy nerd. The episode is a blend of personal anecdotes, social commentary, and gleeful trash-talking.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sports Fandom, Resentment, and Trauma

[02:32-09:16]

• Sports Fandom as a Locus for Negativity:
  Soder and Murphy joke about how rooting for sports teams becomes a safe outlet for their "mental illness," allowing them to vent hatred and disappointment in socially acceptable ways.
• Buffalo vs. Boston Hate:
  • Murphy explains his irrational hatred for Boston sports:
    “The amount of hate I have for Boston sports makes me mentally ill.” — Shaun Murphy [04:18]
  • Murphy recounts an Instagram reel showing how Boston has disproportionately beaten Buffalo, fueling generations of resentment.
• Generational Jealousy in Fandom:
  They note that older fans, who "suffered through the lean years," resent younger fans who only know winning dynasties.
• Buffalo’s Heartbreak:
  Murphy explains why he can't even watch recent Super Bowls because "Buffalo never wins" and his preference that “first-timer” fan bases get to experience championships.

2. Sports Economics and Society

[09:16-10:14]

• Dodgers and Billionaires:
  The guys argue that teams like the Dodgers "buy" their titles, relating the lack of a baseball salary cap to broader economic inequality.
  “If you're arguing for billionaires, you're a bootlicker.” — Dan Soder [09:28]
• Sports as a Mirror of Society:
  Soder draws parallels between sports economics and the "1%" problem in America.

3. Friendships and Talking Sports in Comedy

[10:46-12:12 | 23:33-28:30]

• Text Chains & Friendly Trash Talk:
  Soder fondly describes the nitty-gritty of sports banter among his comic friends and how it enhances their relationships.
• The Haunted Sadness of Buffalo Fans:
  Soder, as an outsider, notes that Bills fans are "not just sad, they're haunted" by decades of failure.
  “It's not sadness. Motherfuckers are haunted.” — Dan Soder [24:39]

4. The Commodification of Comedy & The Internet

[59:09-62:33]

• Changing Comedy Culture:
  They mourn the shift from craft-focused stand-up camaraderie to follower counts, social media strategy, and the hustle for ticket sales.
  “A lot of comedians right now aren't fans of comedy—they're fans of money.” — Dan Soder [59:26]
• 3D Printer Comics:
  Soder compares “hacky” comics to poorly constructed, 3D-printed guns—cheap and easy, but lacking the artistry and durability of the real thing.

5. AI, Technology, and the Trouble with Deepfakes

[49:31-58:03]

• AI in Everyday Life:
  The comics express alarm at how easily AI can produce convincing (if fake) images and videos, making it harder to trust reality.
  • “Dude, I'm glad my dad and sister died before there were recordings of them around, because I couldn't handle seeing AI-generated images.” — Dan Soder [52:07]
• The Dark Side of Tech:
  They joke about the perverse and disturbing ways AI tech is/is being used, lamenting the loss of genuine experience and artistry.

6. Regional Foods, Fast Food Debates, and Dad Jokes

[15:00-17:03 | 20:16-22:00 | 43:45-47:44]

• Garbage Plates and Buffalo Wings:
  A loving, rambling examination of upstate New York comfort food culture—garbage plates, blue cheese vs. ranch, wing preferences.
  • Soder marvels: “A garbage plate is the opposite of a Mediterranean diet.” [17:01]
• Papa John’s, Pizza Orders & Cheesy Dips:
  Soder and Murphy bicker over what belongs on pizza ("pineapple is coming out of the closet in Buffalo") and swap stories about greasy favorites and regional snobbery.

7. The Documentarization (and Sanitization) of Sports and Comedy

[29:48-36:53]

• Discontent with Modern Sports Docs:
  Both find that contemporary docs are increasingly sanitized, acting as puff pieces for the subjects due to excessive control, rather than revealing new truths.
  • “They're just 90 minutes of PR for you.” — Shaun Murphy [36:07]
• Murphy's Thoughts:
  Murphy wishes documentaries would include the “bad” and messy details, not just triumphant narratives.

8. Comedy Shop Talk: Influence, Joke Theft, and Taking Accountability

[71:42-75:11]

• Influence vs. Stealing:
  The comics agree it's normal and healthy to be influenced by older comedians ("It's like growing up listening to the Stones") but stress the line between that and outright theft.
• On Being Accused:
  Soder and Murphy discuss their approaches to overlap in material and how comics tend to self-regulate.
• The Need for Accountability:
  Soder: “Everything we’re talking about now is just people not accepting accountability.” [73:10]

9. Comedy as Personal Growth

[64:49-66:29]

• Connection with Audiences:
  Both express gratitude for audiences ("I love these people who come out") and encourage others to mature past taking offense to indifference or dislike toward their acts.

10. The Sportification of Politics

[27:38-30:25]

• The hosts reflect on how politics have adopted the tribal, us-vs-them mentality of sports, to the detriment of reasoned discourse.
  • “We've sportified politics—our side is right, your side is wrong.” — Dan Soder [27:49]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Boston vs. Buffalo (Sports Hate):

  "The amount of hate I have for Boston sports is like, makes me mentally ill... I'm trying to work on it because I think I have a problem."
  — Shaun Murphy [04:18]

• On Buying Championships (Dodgers/MLB):

  “They paid more to their sixth batter in the lineup than the star of the Mets.”
  — Dan Soder [07:00s]

• On Sports Providing an Emotional Outlet:

  “That's where you're supposed to get out the mental illness. Not to your neighbor.”
  — Sean Murphy [04:08]

• On Fan Bases That Never Win:

  “I only care about fan bases winning for the first time... It's too heartbreaking.”
  — Shaun Murphy [07:04]

• On Political Tribalism:

  “We've sportified politics… It's not sports.”
  — Dan Soder [27:38]

• On Modern Comedians:

  “There's a lot of people doing comedy right now who aren't fans of comedy—they're fans of money, they're fans of selling tickets…”
  — Dan Soder [59:26]

• On Influences in Comedy:

  "It's okay to be influenced by somebody... That's a great, great compliment."
  — Dan Soder [72:59]

• On Accepting Audience Reactions:

  “No one's 100 on anything... They just don't like your act and that's fine.”
  — Dan Soder [66:27]

• On AI and Deepfakes:

  "I'm glad my dad and sister died before there were recordings of them around, because I couldn't handle seeing AI-generated images."
  — Dan Soder [52:07]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:32] – The power and pain of sports fandom; wearing team merchandise; old rivalries.
• [04:18] – Murphy’s mental illness-level hatred of Boston.
• [07:04] – On why Murphy roots for fan bases who’ve never won.
• [09:16] – Discussion on MLB, the economics of sports, and billionaire teams.
• [23:44] – The joys and pitfalls of trash-talking with comic friends.
• [24:39] – Soder on the doomed psyche of Bills fans.
• [27:38] – The dangerous sportification of American politics.
• [29:48] – Frustration with sanitized, PR-heavy sports documentaries.
• [36:07] – Murphy hates docs that are “just 90 minutes of PR.”
• [49:31] – The terrifying realism of AI fake videos.
• [59:26] – On the rise of “3D printer” comics and social media over craft.
• [64:49] – Why Soder doesn’t do paid meet-and-greets.
• [66:27] – Accepting that not every audience will like your act.
• [71:42] – Influence versus theft in stand-up comedy.

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Episode Links & Recommendations

• Shaun Murphy’s New Special:
  Long Story Thin — available free on YouTube.
  [Direct Link beneath podcast video]

• Tour Dates:
  Dan Soder and Shaun Murphy’s upcoming gigs (Buffalo, Orlando, Tampa, etc.) — check dansoder.com for details.

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Tone & Style

• The conversation is loose, irreverent, rapid-fire, and warm. Both hosts are self-deprecating and don’t shy away from vulnerability.
• Blunt language and playful roasting are plentiful.
• There's an undercurrent of affection for fandom, comedy as a craft, and the camaraderie they share.

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For Non-Listeners: What You’ll Get

This episode is a must for anyone who geeks out over comedy, sports heartbreak, or the intersection of culture, media, and personal identity. Soder and Murphy deliver an audio hang-out that meanders warmly through insults, insights, and nostalgia, constantly looping back to what it means to care too much about things that (maybe) shouldn’t matter—while finding meaning and belonging there anyway.

Skip if you want: Technical analysis, interviews with sports personalities, or detailed social critique—the episode is about the feeling and culture of fandom and comedy, not hard stats or policy.

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Final Note:
For fans of honest, inside-baseball comedy conversations infused with just the right amount of sports and existential dread, Episode 120 is the platonic ideal. And yes, you’ll laugh, probably a lot.

Transcript

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[Dan Soder]

Thanks for watching the podcast. Hope you had a good Super Bowl Sunday. And I don't know who won yet, but if it's the Seattle Seahawks, you. And if it's the Boston Patriots. Thank you. That's how I feel. That's genuinely how I feel now. For real. This is a very fun episode. This is Sean, right? Yeah, this is Sean Murphy. He's one of the best. Speaking of Sean Murphy, he's going to be with me on the road. Come see me on the road. Orlando. That is February 13th. That's this Friday. I'm going to be with Matt Ross and Brendan Sagalo. Saturday's Tampa, same lineup. Then February 28th, Buffalo, New York. Me, Sean Murphy, Pete Ravello. What a fucking show. Dan Soder.com for tickets. All of the remaining dates for the Golden Retriever of Comedy Tour are up. If you live in Boston, we added a nine o' clock show. If you live in Philly, the tickets are there. We also got Durham, Raleigh. We're all over the place. Dan Soder. For tickets. Thank you very much for watching the podcast. The most important is thank you for coming out to the shows. It's been so fun and enjoy the podcast. And I'm sorry for the sports talk. A lot of sports talk. Heads up. Sports talk. But you know what? Sean and I were talking. Sean's a giant from Buffalo, favorite son of Buffalo. Go watch Sean Murphy Special on YouTube right now. He's Hilarious. He's been on the road with me. I've known him forever. He's hilarious. And he's a sports fan from Buffalo, so you have to. Our rivalry is done.

[Sean Murphy]

That's true. That's true. I brought out the Sabers are good, so I brought out the Sabers Swag.

[Dan Soder]

That's what people don't understand that about sports fandom. For those of you that don't know sports fandom, a lot of it is the merch.

[Sean Murphy]

That's big. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, it's very big. I, I, the Seahawks just blew out the Niners in the playoffs, and I was like, well, the 49er hat will be retired for a little bit. San Francisco Giants, welcome back. You're like, we're bringing out. Is that what you do with the Bills? The Sabers are doing all right. Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

Which hasn't happened in 15 years. But great colors.

[Dan Soder]

I like your original colors. I like your new colors. The black and red with the buffalo head.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That was my high school logo. Was the Buffalo Sabres. When you guys switched, we switched to that.

[Sean Murphy]

Wow.

[Dan Soder]

I was, like, super hyped to get. But our high school colors were red and green. Christmas colors.

[Sean Murphy]

Not great.

[Dan Soder]

Tough. We were pretty mad at my high school for picking green and red. Not a great you.

[Sean Murphy]

I guess this will probably come out after the super bowl, but you got to root for Boston, right?

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Katie's a huge Patriots fan and I'm anybody but the Seahawks. Yeah. I'm also willing to admit that the Seahawks are very, very good this year. Fans got so mad at me because I on the Seahawks fans, after they beat the Niners and watching people get like, for real with you when you don't know them, when they're like, hey, still a lot of fucked up shit about Seattle. And you go, yeah, I was just mad because you guys beat the Niners. And they're like, it's not cool. Yeah, it is. Sports fandom.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. That's. That's where you're supposed to get out the mental illness.

[Dan Soder]

Not to your neighbor.

[Sean Murphy]

Exactly.

[Dan Soder]

You're supposed to go, like, what colors do you like? You fucking suck. And then they go, no, I don't. You go, no, no, you don't.

[Sean Murphy]

The amount of hate I have for Boston sports is like, makes me mentally ill. Like, I'm trying to work on it because I think I have a problem.

[Dan Soder]

Is it because they've done nothing but succeed and Buffalo has just done nothing but lose in the biggest moment?

[Sean Murphy]

Well, I saw this Instagram reel once, which is an embarrassing way to Start a sentence.

[Dan Soder]

But most hate started.

[Sean Murphy]

This is.

[Dan Soder]

You know, a guy told me once.

[Sean Murphy]

They broke down the teams Boston sports have beaten by number of victories. And like, one's the Yankees, two's like the Knicks, three's the Tigers.

[Dan Soder]

Don't mind any of those.

[Sean Murphy]

Four is the Bills, which is insane because they play the Bills twice a year since the 70s. The Yankees and the Red Sox have played like 20 times a year since, like, the Civil War. Like, they shouldn't be on this bad.

[Dan Soder]

They just beat the. Out of you guys.

[Sean Murphy]

So I've just become like sports joker when it comes to Boston sports. And I have, like, a problem that I'm trying to work on because I. It goes to every.

[Dan Soder]

It.

[Sean Murphy]

Like, Boston kids lose.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

Well, like, if the worldly Little League World Series is Boston versus San Antonio, I hope the Boston kids lose so bad they quit and become artists.

[Dan Soder]

But that's. See, that's crazy. That is. That's a lot of hate. That is a lot of hate. I would. But what's crazy is when you hate your own fan base because of it. Like, I bet there's a lot of old Red Sox fans or old Patriots fans that resent. Obviously they want the Patriots to be good.

[Sean Murphy]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

But then they resent the kids that were born in, like, 02. Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I used to catch that with 49ers fans. Yeah, 49ers weren't good in the 60s and 70s. Wasn't until Bill Walsh came along in 79 that the 49ers started improving. So I was born in 83. So I had friends of my dad and, like, people that we knew from the Bay Area being like, you don't fucking know.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You don't know what it's like to grow up through three decades of losses.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And Patriots fans have to be like that. Patriots in the 90s were like, not a threat.

[Sean Murphy]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

80S, 90s, you were. You guys were great in the early 90s. And they were just like a laughingstock. Probably in the early 90s, there was people in Buffalo like, oh, got our two wins this year against the bats. And then now they're just absolutely deep dicking you. For the last 26 years, they've just been in it that. That's what happens. I'm going through it right now with the Dodgers. The Dodgers are so good. They're going to break baseball.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Well, also, they're not that good. They just buy everybody. Well, I've always buy everybody. And if you're a Dodgers fan, you can't Even argue that. Yeah, you can't go like, no, we really built up Mookie Betts fucking. They just paid Tucker. Them more. They paid more to their sixth batter in the lineup than the star of the Mets.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That's how much money the Dodgers.

[Sean Murphy]

Well, I've always been a sports fan, maybe coming from Buffalo. I don't care about greatness, about dynasties. I only care about fan bases winning for the first time.

[Dan Soder]

Like, oh, like, well, that's because that's you.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes, but I have no interest. Like, I haven't watched the super bowl in eight years. Really, I don't care because, like, it's too heartbreaking. And like, who. Who am I going to root for? Seattle and Boston? I like that. No, I don't want.

[Dan Soder]

Why do you hate Seattle?

[Sean Murphy]

Because. But I don't hate them. But they won it 12 years ago. There's no.

[Dan Soder]

That's crazy. That's only something a Buffalo fan could say. We haven't won it 30 years. And I think that's crazy. I go, they want. So what? They're Seattle. Like, I don't have a problem with the Patriots because they never hurt the 49ers. The Seattle Seahawks are in. Are playing the super bowl in our stadium and beat the out of us to get there. Them. I hope they lost. I know it's going to come out after. They might have won, but I hope they lose. And I don't want to see my fiance sad. So I don't really.

[Sean Murphy]

Like, those are good reasons.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, but like, Chiefs, Eagles last year.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Well, I just do the lesser of two evils. The Chiefs beat us twice in the Super Bowl. The Eagles beat us in the NFC Championship Game. But I have a ton of friends that are Eagles fans.

[Sean Murphy]

But to me, it's like watching, like, who's going to win a million dollars? Elon or Bill Gates? I'm like, I have no interest in that.

[Dan Soder]

Well, that's what I. That's the interesting part about the Dodgers and what they're doing. The baseball is there's no salary cap in baseball. So they're paying Ohtani like, like 900 million, but they're giving him a dollar a year. And so they can go like, well, we can afford it. We can go get the Diaz, the closer from the Mets, or we can go sign Tucker. Like, they can just go buy people. And it's like, we had Blake Snell and then he just paid him a shit ton of money and he went to the Dodgers. And then they do a thing where they win the World Series. And they go, I always wanted to win a world. It's like, shut the upper. Rich kids. You make me feel like rich kids. It's just like, shut the fuck up. I don't care that you went through anything bad. You bought it. You bought everything. And now there's going to be a collective bargaining agreement. Like, it's up. And baseball is going to shut down because they're going to have to go, you have to put a salary cap.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Which is what we're learning in America. But then the billionaires go like, that's communism. And you go, it's really not.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I think Jeff Bezos is okay with $100 billion.

[Sean Murphy]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

Right. Anybody that argues for more than that, you're a bootlicker.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, I agree.

[Dan Soder]

You're sucking his dick. I don't have. After the Epstein files dropped, I have no respect for anybody that. That caps for fuck or goes to bat for any of these fucking millionaires. Whatever the modern word is. Whoever fucking sucks their dick, I don't have respect for you. Because it's out there now. It's all proven that they were fucking with us.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And if you can't go, Rocco Bob, fuck him, too. I know he's not in the files, but war crimes in Yemen, it's like, why are we. Why do we like the teacher? Now they've convinced us to like the teacher. It sucks.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. And that's my sports thing, is I can't. The 1%. So many sports teams are the 1% championships to you. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You know what's funny, though, man, is I did that. I think people.

[Sean Murphy]

Boston sports is the Elon Musk of sports.

[Dan Soder]

And I. But I get 1%. The guy. The guy's evil. I bet. And you know what's funny is that's what happens to. You know, we only know comics, but actors and bands and musicians, when they get famous, and then they're in the room with them, and then they go, he's not bad. It's like, if I took you to a Patriots game, you go, gillette's not a bad stadium.

[Sean Murphy]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You know, you go, pretty good. They got lobster rolls there. That's pretty fun. That's fun. I haven't had a lobster roll.

[Sean Murphy]

That's the thing, you know, you doing comedy, you have friends from all over. So you're like, texting Boston friends, and you're like, all right, good luck. Yeah. Yeah. I love you, but let's not talk for a while.

[Dan Soder]

You love Joe List, but if the. If the Pat's Win. You don't want them to be like, yahoo, shut the up. It's just what people don't realize is the Internet stopped you from seeing people face to face. So you have different energy about everybody because it is one. Everyone talks. Dude, I get frustrated. I have. I go through moments where I'm mad at friends and then I talk to them and realize I was completely wrong. Oh yeah, the Internet never gives you that. You don't talk to the person.

[Sean Murphy]

Well, how much do we do that in comedy where you're like, like, that person's probably a hack and they're probably mean anymore. It's nice to me. He's pretty good guy.

[Dan Soder]

That was, by the way. That's how all this and shit happened. They go, I know, I heard crazy shit. But dude, I went to his house, he's got a water slide come down there. Shit. Like, it's like everyone's mad at all the comics who had Trump on. And it's like, well, their problem was saying yes to having him on because then he's going to be in the room. They expected him to be like frost Nixon and be like, why did you do all that stuff? And it's like, I don't think silly boys have that capability.

[Sean Murphy]

And comics are such people pleasers that like, I've always said if I got off stage and Cosby was like, good set, I'd be like, were we wrong about this? Yeah, Just because I'm so want to be liked. It's like a problem most of us.

[Dan Soder]

Have, but I'm not excusing it.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

Just telling you why it happens.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Because it is like, you know, it's, it's funny when I think boxing ruined that a lot because I used to love watching the weigh ins and I'd be like, these guys really want to fight. And then after the fight they're like, nah, we're just selling the fight. They tell you they're lying. Yeah, yeah, we don't really hate each other. We were just lying just so you would watch it. And you go, well, I did watch it and now I'm finding out I was lied to. Yeah, it's only so many times you can do that before you go like, I don't think you guys hate each other. And then when it's real, you go, they're lying. Yeah, it just gets all, everything diluted.

[Sean Murphy]

Well, that's why comedians and politicians in the same room, it's, it's a disaster because comedians often are people pleasers and politicians are like salesmen.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. So, like, they're not public servants.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

They are straight up there to get rich. Yeah, they are. Like, that's funny. When you watch other politicians, it's like the same thing with comedians where, like, when someone just, like, gets in trouble and a comic is worried about their money, they'll stand up for that person that they normally would go, all right. They go, like, well, hold on a second.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

We can't get away from the fact that's what politicians do. When you go, you guys shouldn't be trading on the stock market. They go, well, some of us. Some of us have given up good jobs. You. You pieces of. Well, hold on now. They're good people. But it is. It's true. It's like, I. It. I've never had the balls to some. I know people that have that, and I respect the hell out of it.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Sean Patton has that. I've seen him say something and someone walk into the room, and he says the same thing to their face. And I was like, whoa, it's crazy. It hits like a stiff shot. Oh, dude, you said it right to his face.

[Sean Murphy]

It's very important.

[Dan Soder]

It's very hard. It's very hard when someone walks up and smiles.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. 100.

[Dan Soder]

Have you ever talked about someone and then you're at, like, a comedy festival or a comedy show and they go, hey. You go, hey. That's that Chappelle joke where he goes, hey, how you doing? He's like, good. He's like, I don't even talk like that. But that is the truth. It's just like, you do something and you go, stop it. I'm a phony.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But I think we start by admitting we're phonies.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

By going like, dude, I don't know. I'm full of shit.

[Sean Murphy]

Well, that's the thing. I think we're missing a lot in comedy is comedians trying to be cool, comedians trying to be smart. There's so many comedians talking to, like, the Secretary of Defense. And I'm like, you should be ranking fast food burgers on this podcast. Like, you don't have the capacity to do this.

[Dan Soder]

You should be telling me if Ruby Tuesdays is a better apple, because those are the things, you know?

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I want to know what's the easiest way to get an Uber at lax? I don't want to know. You know, hey, if you're at the Funny Bone, there's a good store in the mall.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Where you can buy. Yeah. I think it's like, everybody. The Internet just Everything became a KFC bowl. Oh, yeah. Just everything got mushed together.

[Sean Murphy]

That's true.

[Dan Soder]

Where you're like, no, you're supposed to be the side of mashed potatoes. That's not the base of the meal.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You can't put chicken on. Is like. Like a crouton. The chicken is the chicken. And yeah. Everything just got.

[Sean Murphy]

Everything's a garbage plate now.

[Dan Soder]

Everything's a guy. Yeah, you.

[Sean Murphy]

That's Rochester. We don't take that.

[Dan Soder]

Is that. Where is that? Is that the line between Buffalo and Rochester? Garbage place as you go. Don't bring that. That's like your dick is out. Rochester's like, I'm fucking nuts. By the way. If you get crazy high, a garbage plate is art.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

What is it? Explain your garbage plate.

[Sean Murphy]

It's just like. It's basically a KFC bowl. It's just a. But it's normally macaroni, like cold macaroni, but people just throw whatever and it's like a hamburger. Hamburger patty.

[Dan Soder]

And it's chili.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But then there's a white. What is the white? Is that ranch? I don't know. Look up what a garbage plate is. It's so we know the exact details. I love it. I love it. I.

[Sean Murphy]

It's something you would make when your parents are away.

[Dan Soder]

When you're like eight or your wife is away.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Or you're a grown man and your wife.

[Dan Soder]

It is absolutely detective single dad food.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes, 100%.

[Dan Soder]

If you're. If you're alone eating it with a gun holster on and a wife later and you just hear the guitar roof of Lethal Weapon and you're just like, oh. All right. Here's the ingredients of a garbage plate. It is a base of macaroni salad and home fries or french fries topped with two proteins, usually cheeseburgers or hot dogs and covered in a spicy meat based hot sauce, raw onions and mustard. Now eat that now and then get all the pussy.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That's the opposite of the Mediterranean diet.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Whatever people are wearing in linen pants to fuck. Shirtless dudes in linen pants that could show their wean bulge are not eating that.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But boys in thick jeans and sturdy.

[Sean Murphy]

Sturdy hoodies, that's the giving up meal.

[Dan Soder]

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[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dan Soder]

Buffalo wings are the best.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. I mean, I do eat all that garbage food.

[Dan Soder]

Because you grew up there.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Being a pothead and finding that place, it's like finding Narnia. You're like, whoa. You guys put ranch on everything.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It's awesome.

[Sean Murphy]

We'll have to. We'll have to go.

[Dan Soder]

We'll do.

[Sean Murphy]

Do some wings. Oh, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

February 28th.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I don't know when this is coming out, but if February 28th, Sean's gonna be with me in Buffalo one night. It's me, you, and Pete Ravello.

[Sean Murphy]

Oh, hell, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It's a fun show.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. It's gonna be a great show.

[Dan Soder]

It's gonna be a very good show.

[Sean Murphy]

We could. We could go to two wing places. You could do one before the show and after.

[Dan Soder]

We might have to drive all the way up to Rochester to get this divorced dad plate. I'm about it. I love Buffalo. I love Buffalo because it is a city for comedy. It's cold, and there's nothing else to do.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes. I think those are the best markets every time.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

Madison, cold. There's a little bit of sadness there. There's a little bit of, like, used to be something. Used to be a bigger city.

[Dan Soder]

Chicago's a great city for that reason.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Where they go like. We get kicked around enough. What do you got? That's why Miami is a bad comedy city. And I know Miami. I know that clip of the podcast went. Went viral.

[Sean Murphy]

Have you got Miami?

[Dan Soder]

Norman came to record the podcast. I found out McDaniel got fired an hour before he was here.

[Sean Murphy]

Oh, okay.

[Dan Soder]

I was a little angry.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. See the sports, you got to get it out sometime, dude.

[Dan Soder]

I'll tell you where you don't get it out is on a. Is on your own podcast with your producer, who doesn't really care about sports. So he goes, I don't know. Soda's pretty fired up about this. And then I got guys with, like, podcasts with helmets behind them going, who the is this guy? You're like, don't worry about it. You don't got to worry about me. I don't Got to worry about you. You don't gotta worry about me. I was friend. The one thing I was very pleased about when I, I. Because when you see something get picked up from your podcast on something else, you know.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. And it was like, contain. It goes somewhere else.

[Dan Soder]

Okay. Yeah. An awful announcing. Put it on. And I like awful announcing. So I was like, oh. But then I saw. But then a lot of the comments were like, yo, he's a good friend. And I appreciate that because I love my friend. And I was very, very mad that he got over. Truth is, Miami's a great city to go hang out in. And the people there were awesome. The fans were super excited about McDaniel. And I've seen a ton of people really regret that he got fired. There's also people that wanted it. And I don't. I don't blame them. They didn't make the playoffs last two years, but in that moment, being so fired up.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And then having to go out on a podcast and other people be like, Like. Like bark back at you. Where you go, I'm not mad at you at all. Yeah, I'm actually not. The only person I'm mad at is Stephen Ross, their owner of the Dolphins.

[Sean Murphy]

And now he gets to go, you know, with Justin Herbert.

[Dan Soder]

He gets to do Free Madison Bear concerts. Is it beer or bear? Beer. That's how old I am.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, I. I just went through the Grammy new artist list. I didn't know one.

[Dan Soder]

It's like seeing new faces at Montreal and, you know, I haven't met one of these people. Or you go, that guy got a way late. But.

[Sean Murphy]

But, but, yeah. And then he gets to get out of the division with Josh Allen, which I told you was going to be his undoing. When he was hired, I was like, you can't go against that.

[Dan Soder]

Here's the thing about Sean. We'll talk about how angry he hates Boston, about how he's not a lovable loser. These guys get good. He's talking shit. Anyone that knows Sean, Sean knows ball. He'll fucking. They'll text you. Talking shit. He'll text you.

[Sean Murphy]

It's.

[Dan Soder]

It's fun. The one thing I like about sports, and I know people get upset when we get bogged down talking about sports and on this podcast, but it is a thing that I love, and it is a thing that you relate to other people with.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So it's like, I love the different talking styles of you and Shane and like, my friends that love, like Nate Bargetzi, like, people that love football. Or like, sports. And you, like, talk to them about it. Because everybody has this like, dude, I am such a psychotic fan that Big J was mad at me when we played the Eagles because I didn't talk. He was like, oh, looks like we're getting into this again. And I go, what's the point? We got fifth, sixth and seventh string linebackers against you, even with Tommy Pope was over here. And I was like, tommy's a great guy to talk shit with. He loves football. And it was like, we're just so injured. So then when we won, I didn't gloat.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I truly kept the same energy where I was like, dude, I don't know. And then when Seattle beat the out of us, I was like, see? Yeah, see, I did that thing where I was like, dang, I. I told you.

[Sean Murphy]

Well, you were saying when you went to that. Bill's playoff game. There's a sadness in Bill's fans.

[Dan Soder]

Yo, you guys haunted?

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It's not sadness. Motherfuckers are haunted. I don't know if Landmark was built on an old Indian burial ground where they're gonna knock down Landmark and be like, oh, never mind.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, what are all these bones?

[Sean Murphy]

You know, Like, I'll talk a little shit, but it's. It's. It's. There's a hint there. More than a hint. I just know they'll never win. I'll know they'll never. That's in the back of my brain, that it's impossible they'll ever win the Super Bowl.

[Dan Soder]

To give you some positivity, that is exactly how I felt being a Nuggets fan. Especially after Melo left, because he was like our Josh Allen, where he immediately improved the franchise. We were doing good with George Carl. We were, like, doing great. We get to the NFC Western Conference finals against the Lakers. The Lakers. And of course they win, and then it just goes to. But then during a Taco Bell commercial, we draft one of the greatest big men of all time. During a Quesarito commercial, we draft Nicole Jokic, and he's the greatest big man of all time. Arguably one of the. I mean, obviously Wilt Chamberlain and Shaq and shit, but greatest white big man of all time. But. But I'm saying. And then we win a championship. And I'll tell you, it doesn't even feel real when you win it. Yeah, we beat the Lakers in four games that year. The year we beat the Heat in the finals. We swept the Lakers on the day that Mello retired. And I was like, great. Because he fucked us over. And it was like, great. But then you win. And when you're a fan of a franchise like that, you go, go, yeah, who am I? Now the parade happens, and you go, wait. And then by the time it's finally settling in that you're NBA World champions, the next season starting, and you go to the parade. No, I was in Denver. I wanted to. I couldn't make it. I had to do something, but it was like 40, 000 people went out. Like, no one in Denver. If you're a Nuggets fan, you can, like, act like you'd be like, every year we're gonna win. You're a Nuggets fan. You know what it's like. You get to a place, and then Phoenix sweeps you. Or the spurs had us for, like, seven years. Tim Duncan was bouncing us every year. And the Bills have that.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So when you get there and win, you're still not going to feel it. It's the opposite of the movie. When the guy gets shot and he goes, is it cold in here? And then he, like, looks down. That's going to be you. You're going to be like, what am I holding? That's big. And so. Oh, my God, it's a Lombardi Trophy. And I honestly, you know, when Cleveland signed to Sean Watson and trashed Baker Mayfield, I was out on Cleveland. I was like, fuck you guys. Because of how they treated Baker Mayfield. I was like, I don't want that team to win. But you guys are a team.

[Sean Murphy]

I stay loyal to the fans, baby.

[Dan Soder]

That I want. Lions.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I want to see the Lions win one.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Of course there are teams I want to see win. I don't ever want to see Seattle win another one. They've won one or two. Yeah. One. One. One.

[Sean Murphy]

Maybe two.

[Dan Soder]

Fuck two. I hope it's not two. I hope it stays one after this podcast.

[Sean Murphy]

And I hope it's Seattle.

[Dan Soder]

You. You piece of. Yeah, it is. I. I think that's what's like with society having all this up. It's kind of like you drop down to sports to have feelings that maybe should have been reserved.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

100.

[Dan Soder]

And also, I mean, I've heard people talk about it, but more people need to talk about the fact that we've sportified politics.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

It's like, it's not sports.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

You guys are. It's, like, almost ridiculous to put that spin on politics. Our side is right and your side is wrong. You go, well, then that just opens them up to both be friends and Go, he's fucking. It's. It's boxing. It's the thing I said in boxing, where at the end of the fight, they go, I don't even hate them. They're having steak dinners in Washington, D.C. well, Republicans.

[Sean Murphy]

And how do you have a conversation with someone who's so easy to change their positions? People's positions used to be a little more locked in, and now that's when.

[Dan Soder]

They would get outraged, right?

[Sean Murphy]

But now it's like, oh, you hated Kaepernick, but you're okay with the UFC on the front lawn. You know what I'm saying? It's like people used to at least have some type of. There's no semblance throughout.

[Dan Soder]

I completely agree. There's no one holding, like, that's like people in sport again. If you. If you don't like sports. I'm sorry. I really am sorry. I hope I talk next week about Arc Raiders. I'm playing that a lot. But I think with sports, it's always pissed me off because I liked the 49ers and the Giants, because my dad. I wasn't born in San Francisco. I wasn't raised there, but I would go visit him in the summers, in the winters. And I loved the 49ers and the Giants, but I lived in Denver, and I fought that my whole life of people going, well, you live here now, so you need to like the Broncos. And then the Rockies came along, and they were in the Giants division. I'm like, fuck that. Go Giants. I've been a Giants fan since I was born, and so I fought that so hard that when I was growing up and I saw people be Bulls fans and Yankees fans and Cowboys fans at the same time, I was always like, you.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, yeah, you. They want the glory without.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, boy. I want a woman. That's like. When you hear young girls now go, he needs to be 6 foot 4, like, $250,000. He needs to be open and honest and listening. It's like, shut up, bitch. That's how I feel about these people that want sports like that. It's like, no.

[Sean Murphy]

Well, you even see that when the sports documentaries where I'm kind of like, hey, we're. We're. We're good with the 80s Celtics at this point. I've known every time Larry Bird took a shit in the 80s. We've heard everything about. They're all about Boston and L. A. Give me a 10. Part about the fucking Brewers. You know, something different.

[Dan Soder]

Well, that was the one thing I liked about 30 for 30 was they were doing documentaries about that wasn't like the June 14th night, 1997.

[Sean Murphy]

Great.

[Dan Soder]

You go, I didn't know all that.

[Sean Murphy]

Happened on that day. Great.

[Dan Soder]

The way they edit it, the way they do it, the style, the way it's directed. And then now it's just like. It's just print and repeat.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. 49ers one.

[Dan Soder]

I watched the first two episodes. I really liked it. It's gonna get me. I'm a 49ers.

[Sean Murphy]

Of course. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Honestly, you want my honest opinion as a 49ers fan? We did this already with the Montana doc, the five parter on Peacock that NFL Films was producing. It was great, but I got it all. It's the same story. There is more stuff about Ronnie Lott and Jerry Rice and, like, guys that I really want to hear about, but it's like it's scratching the same itch.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So that's all you're doing. And it's like, I think Jordan did the Last Dance. And everyone was like, I want my last dance.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

And then now they're like trying to cram it. The Elway one.

[Sean Murphy]

I watched the Elway one and it's, it's, it's just like they're giving these people too much access, too much control. They're like, not even documentaries anymore. They're like, we are puff pieces.

[Dan Soder]

It's like when you watch Straight Outta Compton and you go, so Dr. Dre wrote this? Dr. Dre wrote this movie?

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You watch Straight Outta Compton and he's like, I got an idea for something. And you're like, what about all those women you were beating the out of? Are we not talking about all the women you beat the out of? Because if you wrote that movie and you put that in, I'd go, this could be. This is a real piece of art. This guy's talking about all of his problems.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Johnny Cash's documentary, they made it. It was about his heroin addiction. It was about him being a bad husband. It's like, I don't want. The Elway doc was. He was like, I didn't win a Super bowl, but I was still really good. But then I won a Super bowl and now everything's okay. Straight up, cut Wade Phillips out of the documentary. It did not go, Dan Reeves, Mike Shanahan. I lived in Denver. It went Dan Reeves, Wade Phillips for three seasons.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Eating shit.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Mike Shanahan.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

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[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Like, if they do a Bill's documentary and they do the. They did the worst one to you guys. The what if.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, go watch that, sport. It's the. To me, I'm not even a Bills fan. I'm just friends with Bills fans. That made me mad.

[Sean Murphy]

This is at the end of four falls. You're talking about the 30 for 30. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Where they go, what if. But what if they did win? What would Buffalo look like? And it shows that, like, futuristic city. Your guys's stupid accents gone. People got mad. You want to talk about a clip leaving the containment area, McDaniel's first season, when, you know, I went up there, I went to the Dolphins at Bills and I told the story about this woman. I told you that story about the woman in the parking lot going like, Skyler Thompson was starting, and she's like, are you guys going to leave if we're up 35 to nothing at halftime? And I was like, are you going to kill yourself if Skylar Thompson beats you in the playoffs? And she went, it'll just be part of being a Bills fan. But I told that story with doing a horrible. My horrible version of the Buffalo.

[Sean Murphy]

Okay. Throwing like a plaza. I did like, the Midwestern, like, oh.

[Dan Soder]

God, Bill's fans have so much venom in them that they were like, that's not how the fuck we talk. Fuck this motherfucker went. And it went like, Bill's mafia Instagrams were posting it and be like, they it. And it was like, you guys are missing the point. The point I was saying is. Yeah. Even in your talking, you admit you're losing. Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

It's so funny.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sean Murphy]

It's so funny to be like, okay, we are losers, but we don't talk like that.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. They go, yes, we do. Nothing but lose. I don't see my ease like that. You go, you don't. If you ever made a documentary about your life, I want the bad in.

[Sean Murphy]

There, and I just want to know all this shit. Like, I remember there was that one point in the doc he was talking about how much he loves. Was it John Wayne?

[Dan Soder]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

And it's like. And you want to be like, well, why else do you love John? Like, is there any other reason?

[Dan Soder]

Shoots bad hombres.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Huh, John? Yeah. I mean, it's like, I think there's so much cooler stories that guys don't want to tell because they're so aware in the age of clips and stuff that they're like, of course this is going to make me look like a danger.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. I mean, I understand the, like, I understand the like, oh, I need to edit this.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But at the same time, you're like, but if I'm a fan of yours, I know it.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes. And I don't want to watch just your PR. That's 90 minutes of PR for you.

[Dan Soder]

And I think people right now are really Good at pr. Sorry. The sun's hitting your face in a way where you're getting, like, array of. It's winter, it's filming in winter. Around this time. I don't know, moving. Did you resent New York City growing up in Buffalo?

[Sean Murphy]

No, but there are definitely a contingent of people there that do because they're like, that's all tax dollars going there. And, like, people are like, yeah, if you didn't have New York City, we'd be like West Virginia. Like, there'd be nothing. The rest of the state is like three cities.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. That's always something that makes me laugh, is when people try to shit on big cities.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

They go, what is your big city? And you go, the thing that generates money. Yeah. So, yeah, it's a big fucking deal. I understand not liking it. I understand not wanting to live in it, but, like, talking shit, like. And what do you do? And you're like, trillions of dollars. New York City makes trillions of dollars. When we've been on the road and I've heard people being like, well, you live in that. The liberal New York City. And you're like, you wouldn't have. Do you think Panda Express's home office is in fucking Omaha? You know what I mean? Do you think the people that make the decisions also. It's like, it's always been three companies making the decision.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes. There has to be a big city somewhere. It can all be. What would be the point of just like. Like, would you want a million? Yeah, Omaha, Nebraska's.

[Dan Soder]

Well, that's what I think. People that are good at politics sell that to people.

[Sean Murphy]

Oh, 100%.

[Dan Soder]

Where they go, this is just a little village. A little village that doesn't care. And you go, well, you need infrastructure and you need an economic center. So there's a lot of stuff. That's what was happening with the ICE raids, when at first they were going, like, get them all out. Because, listen, I'm all for. You're an illegal immigrant and you commit a crime here, boot that motherfucker. Jazzy Jeff, that motherfucker. Over to. Back to the country that they came from. If they're here breaking the law. Because that's a very. That's the part where you go, hey, left side. Just say that. Just go like, yeah, dude, you break a law, we're gonna have to kick you the fuck out. That's a normal thing to say. But then when they turned and they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you doing? Farmers. Whoa. Like, all the farmers are like, hey, hey, my guys aren't coming to work. Or like guys building buildings and construction are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we can't get drywall done. I saw a really funny sketch of like an Instagram. It was a Mexican, like construction worker. Very funny. It's probably knowing how shit's going now. It's AI, but I thought it was funny. But the sketch was, he was like in his knee pads and his work stuff. You know, he's got his like bright yellow shirt on and then he's looking at a backyard and he's going like that with his camera and he's going like that. And another Mexican comes up and he goes, what are you doing? And he goes like that. Trying to like house social media. People go, this is what I did in my case. But then it cuts back to him doing the grout, like doing all the work. And you're like such a funny idea for a sketch because that like people that like influencers are so edited that I think people believe.

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[Dan Soder]

Up on another episode, but we've taken from porn and put it everywhere. This idea that stuff is supposed to happen, like in porn. They go, oh, the plumber is over and he's hot and he has a 13 inch dick and he's gonna this housewife with double Ds that can take anal without grimacing. And it's like we're just. And then. But like our generation was raised of like, yeah, that's sex.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I delivered pizzas. A woman answered the door one time in a towel, and I was like, I don't know if I can get it up. Like, I was like 16. I felt. I felt the weight of pressure. I, like, I don't know, dude, but I remember that, like, feeling like, oh, it's happening. And she didn't. She went like, hold on real quick, I gotta write a check and shut the door and wrote a check for a pizza. And they gave it to me. And I was like, I'm gonna jerk off to this. I'm just letting you know, I'm gonna jerk off to my car to this.

[Sean Murphy]

That's crazy that we're so old that people paid in checks for pizza.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, dude. I remember when credit cards were a hassle.

[Sean Murphy]

Me too. I. I remember I worked at a fast food place and they didn't have credit cards, did they?

[Dan Soder]

Did the. Have you ever had to do that?

[Sean Murphy]

I never had to do. We did no credit card. We did all cash.

[Dan Soder]

All cash. Great place to rip off. Great. I was young enough in high school that credit cards were a problem.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So people weren't calling in with credit cards. They were calling with cash or checks. And I'd be like, hey, we're only accepting cash right now. This is very illegal. But I worked for a place and they were in a chain. I think they got bought out by a chain. You can find it on another podcast. But I used to take. I used to take the calls, write down the order, make the pizza myself, deliver it with other deliveries, and keep all the cash on that one. And It'd be like two large pizzas. It would be like, you know, 20 bucks plus the 2 liter. And they'd give me like 30 bucks and I just pocket it. And then I'd buy an eighth of weed after my shift. It was great.

[Sean Murphy]

That sounds great.

[Dan Soder]

It was great. It was. Honestly, for a 16 year old in high school, it was a great hustle because I was making all these pizzas and I was like, on weeknights, like, working by myself or with one other person and they didn't care. I'd be like. And I'd be like, I'm gonna make an extra pizza. And they're like, great. A lot of times we just make pizza for ourselves. Just like sitting around, you'd be like, you want to do like, pepperoni and sausage? And you go, yeah. And you sit there and eat smoke schwag weed on the back patio and then be like, oh, we got two orders. So if there were, like, orders coming in and I had two orders and the third one, I'd go like, I'll make it and just keep the money.

[Sean Murphy]

Decent pizza.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Really good New York style. Big slices. It was for Colorado. It was really good. Yeah. Which.

[Sean Murphy]

What's your go to pizza order?

[Dan Soder]

I like.

[Sean Murphy]

I'm Hawaiian, which I know people hate. Not my go to, but it's one of my favorites. I like. I like pineapple and ham. I know, I know.

[Dan Soder]

You're, like, bumping into someone that likes olives on their pizza.

[Sean Murphy]

I could do olives on my pizza.

[Dan Soder]

Both of you. Fuck all of you.

[Sean Murphy]

That might go to, but I could do.

[Dan Soder]

My go to is probably pepperoni. Basic. Yeah, Basic bitch shit. But if they have a good meatball. I love a meatball pizza. And a good sausage. Depending on how they do the sausage. If it's thin and it's like the strips of sausage, it's the best chunks of sausage I can do.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

The little cup. I don't like the cupped pepperoni.

[Sean Murphy]

You don't like the.

[Dan Soder]

I don't want.

[Sean Murphy]

You know, I don't want charred with the grease.

[Dan Soder]

That's.

[Sean Murphy]

That's a Buffalo style.

[Dan Soder]

I don't want eight bowls of grease.

[Sean Murphy]

Ah, see, that's where me and you differ. Give me the grease. I'll put pineapple.

[Dan Soder]

What is it about pineapple? You just like.

[Sean Murphy]

I think it's a nice change of pace. It's like. I don't know. I just. It does it for me. It's. It's not my. Every time, but like a couple times a year.

[Dan Soder]

When did you start experimenting with pineapple? Because I just.

[Sean Murphy]

When I was in college, I didn't like experimenting.

[Dan Soder]

I had a roommate. He was into some stuff. But I do imagine living in Buffalo, you bringing that up is like coming out of the closet.

[Sean Murphy]

That's.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, Dad, I want pineapple on my pizza. He's like, no, son of. I. It's gonna eat that. Gay.

[Sean Murphy]

I'm gonna dip it into ranch. Not in this household.

[Dan Soder]

I feel like you guys came up with that, though, where we're blue cheese. You guys are blue cheese. So who.

[Sean Murphy]

I don't know.

[Dan Soder]

We.

[Sean Murphy]

I was always Wisconsin. Yeah. I think it's more Midwest. I was always conditioned with ranches. A little, like, white trashy.

[Dan Soder]

Which is crazy because you guys have molded cheese in ranch.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, but it makes it way better.

[Dan Soder]

It is great with wings. Yeah, but you're getting like that when you get it. Where's Hidden Valley? That'll tell you. That's El Dorado for ranch. The street posts are made of ranch.

[Sean Murphy]

This is Reno, Nevada, and kneeling, Illinois.

[Dan Soder]

Wheeling, Illinois. I want to know where. Hidden Valley. Where, like the true. Where the ranch comes from.

[Sean Murphy]

I can't do ranch anymore.

[Dan Soder]

Why?

[Sean Murphy]

Grosses me out. It just feels like bad blue cheese.

[Dan Soder]

See, blue cheese I've never gotten sick off of. I mean, bad ranch. Oh, bad blue cheese. I think I've. I've caught bad blue cheese before.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, I guess that's true. You can. You can do that.

[Dan Soder]

Molded cheese?

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So what makes it bad if it's already molded? What's wouldn't you think? If it's already molded cheese, you're fine. So what makes blue cheese go bad? It's already rotted cheese. You guys are complicated. Also, who put that together? Some Frenchmen in Buffalo.

[Sean Murphy]

That's a good question.

[Dan Soder]

I don't know because I do like blue cheese, but it is straight up. Just molded cheese.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Do you just do it Wing? I could. I could dip pizza and blue cheese. I've done that before.

[Dan Soder]

That feels crazy. That feels like playing basketball in a suit. You gonna get dirty? My hands gonna get dirty from the ball. I don't know. Hidden Valley Ranch started in Santa Barbara. Yeah, that does remind me of some California. That's pie in the sky dream and shit. The California way they go. I'm gonna go out to California. I'm gonna find a valley that's hidden.

[Sean Murphy]

And had blue cheese.

[Dan Soder]

Well, what if I took that bad.

[Sean Murphy]

Cheese and Is it Papa John's? That does like the butter or garlic sauce? Garlic sauce.

[Dan Soder]

I'll fight my mom for pizza with garlic sauce.

[Sean Murphy]

Really?

[Dan Soder]

The first time I tried Papa John's. Oh, dude, I would order extra garlic. I love garlic. Oh, that shit rules. Have you ever had it?

[Sean Murphy]

I have it.

[Dan Soder]

Papa John's pizza is passable. It's okay.

[Sean Murphy]

I think that's the problem, is you're getting it with passable pizza.

[Dan Soder]

So it's just buttery garlic. Oh, it's fucking great. Papa John's, man. You know, I know he was slinging the N word, but then Shaq. But then Shaq bought up all those properties. It's craziest that the biggest black guy bought all the fucking pizza stores.

[Sean Murphy]

He's in every commercial these days. I know, it's crazy.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, but Shaq was like, dirty. Sorry, the N word. I'm gonna buy it. The guy that you would never say it to his face bought all the. He's like, papa John, you want your pizza back? Say it to me. Well, I, I can't. Have you ever seen Papa John when he was all red and drinking?

[Sean Murphy]

I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Dan Soder]

He's a wild boy. He's a documentary that I want to see.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, let's see John Doc.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. I'm surprised Netflix hasn't done a seven part series narrated by Sam Elliott. When you're the.

[Sean Murphy]

Look at that guy. This is the same color as his shirt.

[Dan Soder]

He looks like he shaves his chest. You know what I mean? He's the guy that looks like he prefers to fuck on a waterbed. Papa John is nuts because he's like. When he's young, he's handsome, but then he has that like cross. He crossed the Rubicon with surgery to where you go, oh, you're trying to look young because, like, look at him young, right? It's not handsome guy. And then you see him now and.

[Sean Murphy]

You'Re like, it's a little bit. Honestly, Trump not that bad as a younger man. Like, you know, has a head of handsomeness to him.

[Dan Soder]

Who Trump.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. And then kind of did that too much. It's almost your thing about it. A little too much work.

[Dan Soder]

All 99. You can't do it. You can't do it too much. You pass the Rubicon becomes a moment where you go, bradley Cooper did that at some point. There was one moment where he got facial surgery where he went, oh, what did you do? It's like, this isn't. I don't know you. And now every time I watch your movie, I mentally have to do the thing from Hook where I go, there you are, Bradley. But it fucks me up when celebrities do that. That's the thing that I'm talking about that we're talking about documentaries and stuff. Celebrities get shit done and then they lie about getting it done.

[Sean Murphy]

I'd love a doc about all the work done, all the celebrities. Tell me who got what done.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, yeah. You like put it out like a laundry list. Yeah, they did this, this and this. I want to see AI take people that got all that stuff and go, what would they look like if like. Oh, if they didn't just age naturally?

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, yeah. I'm not a. You do AI much. I've never used chat GPT. My goal is to never. Is to just die. Never using it as a.

[Dan Soder]

As a boy raised on the Terminator franchise.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Skynet will never talk to me. I will. You know what is funny though? It's exactly what we were talking about with sports and comedy and where, like, I talk about AI them, I need it for something. And I'm like, yeah, it's actually not that bad. Yeah, it's actually, when you use it, it's pretty cool. Because our stuff, dude, I got got. I got. Have you gotten got by AI? Like, truly got, I think.

[Sean Murphy]

I think so. I said, even just questioning it. How sad is that? You see anything and you just question.

[Dan Soder]

It Now I saw something and I. It was, it was crazy. I said. And I showed it to Katie and she went, is that AI? And I go, but look. Look at the grill. She goes, that is a good point. And then I sent it to Shane and Shane was like, that's AI. And I was like. And it was look like an insta story. And it says, I told my Tito the railing was loose. And it's a guy falling on. I'll show it to you. And it's a guy falling onto a working grill.

[Sean Murphy]

Like, oh, my God.

[Dan Soder]

And I went, oh, my God. And it looks. Dude, I'm gonna show you. Because I sent it to Shane and he was like, that. Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

That's. That's AI.

[Dan Soder]

That's AI.

[Sean Murphy]

That's.

[Dan Soder]

Why put this up. Do you think this is AI? Because it's in slow mo. He dropped him falling into that dude is so funny. And then I look at the last message and it's like, that's fake. And you're like, son of a.

[Sean Murphy]

Man, it's gonna get brutal out there.

[Dan Soder]

We're. Yeah, people like, we love to brag. Our generation loves to brag. People that were born in the 80s because we go can outsmart us. We were, we were offline first. We're fucked. We're fucked. These Gen Z kids are barely gonna be able to hang on. We're fucked.

[Sean Murphy]

I. I will say though, maybe good for stand up because I think people will get out of the house to experience something real.

[Dan Soder]

Depends how good they make AI. Because, like, I truly am. And I mean this. I'm glad my dad and sister died without recordings of them around.

[Sean Murphy]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Because I would be. I don't. I couldn't see AI pictures of my dead dad. Like, I wouldn't like that.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You know when they do that for, like, they'll do that as like, feel good content where they're like, I used AI to show my grandpa his whole life at 90. And it's like his dead wife and him kissing and he's like crying and they go, look, he's crying. Go, yeah, because you're making him feel horrible. Yeah, you're making them watch him kiss his wife. He lived that memory that's there. Yeah, he's watching AI and he goes, well, why is the picture doing that? Yeah, yeah, they like, show the picture come to life. And they like, have you seen the one where the guy shows prisoners in life AI of them doing gay to each other? No, dude, it's. I'll show you. Sagalo and I were talking about it yesterday because I was like, dude, watch. Did you end up in prison is what I'm asking. I've got a life center for two bodies. So it shows him. AI, Man, what the. It shows him kissing another dude, man. What the. Hey, what the Is this, man? What the going on, man? Who the. This is, man, man, you did that, man. Who. Huh?

[Sean Murphy]

I found the video on the Internet.

[Dan Soder]

That's why I was just trying to show you. Find you. Them gang men will come see your dude. He shows him. He goes, I'm going kill your whole family. He's. He's in prison for life. And he goes, yo, that's it. He goes, I'm gonna kill everybody in your family. And I sent it to. I sent it to Sagalo and I was like, dude, I would be. I just sent it to you right here. Pip. I. And he's like, that man at the top of the clip is going, I killed two people. And he goes, cool, Here's a video of you making out with a white dude. And he goes, oh, oh. That moment, though, where he goes, hey, hey, that's gonna happen to all of us. They're going to go, well, do you remember?

[Sean Murphy]

Even Grok is getting in trouble for doing. They're like, making of. Like, of. Of minors because people can do it so easily.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

It's terrifying.

[Dan Soder]

It's. It is really funny that, like, it's not. It's also disgusting, but like, pedophiles are always the. Like the dog in space that they go, like, what does it say? I Can I make it? No, no. Seinfeld used to have that bit where he's like, we always take technology. We go, sex. He's like, copy machine. Put your tits on it. Or is that. That's a Seinfeld bit, right? Or is that Norman?

[Sean Murphy]

I don't know. That's a good question.

[Dan Soder]

I genuinely don't know. But it is. It's like, it is Seinfeld, because he did it on comedian, okay? He did it on his Letterman. When he comes back on Letterman and he's like, picture. Take a picture of my butt. It's like, we do everything with sex. But the truth is, it's like, pedals go first. They're like the way gays go into black neighborhoods to gentrify them. That's what pedophile are with technology. They go, can I with it? And they go, no, okay, okay. It's all right. Everyone else, rich whites, you can move in. You can use it to manipulate.

[Sean Murphy]

That's like, everyone will. Or could have them, like, a porn them in porn them doing, like, all the shit because it's so easy to do.

[Dan Soder]

The only way you notice is if your eye, like, droops down a little and you go, that's terrifying. I never had sex with Betty White. Just me clapping. It's me having a reverse gang bang with the Golden Girls. I'm kissing Bea Arthur while Sophie's sucking. And then Blanche doing finger work on. Yeah. One on. Watch this young man take on the Golden Girls. And you go, I never Them. I only love their show for their crisp writing. For their crisp writing in their callbacks. Son of a. It is the, like. That's like the new. You know, you'd, like, draw, like, someone and go, like, hey, him. Even cave drawings like this looking at the sky. That's gonna be like, AI videos. And you're like, damn, dude. Did you know that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington Lemon partied shows? All of them sucking each other's dicks. Oh, you know what I mean? Oh, my God. Hitler. Hitler and Stalin are docking. Just them putting their foreskins over each other's dicks. 6.

[Sean Murphy]

That probably all exists right now.

[Dan Soder]

I mean, I just gave you a lot of ideas. Phenomenal prompts. I just gave about four or five phenomenal prompts that I never want to see. That I never want to see. But yeah, because, I mean, I feel like that's like. Like people that make that stuff. It is funny. I do laugh at it. But you really go like, well, you're just like, turning. That's what Family Guy does. That's what the Simpsons like. You turn jokes into stuff.

[Sean Murphy]

Right?

[Dan Soder]

But you're turning it into, like, immediate slop.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes. And the like, the work is. What makes it good is, like, doing the work to get to the end product. We could just type it into a machine and have it be done. Who gives a fuck?

[Dan Soder]

Like, you know, 3D guns work, right? But what's a 3D gun versus, like, a Smith and Wesson or like a Ruger or like, a company that's made guns for hundreds of years that they know all the mechanics of It. They know all the parts of it. Like a real gun versus it. I don't know. This could be a stupid comparison, but I'm just saying, like, I feel like the real gun would work longer and better than a 3D gun. 3D. You know, like a 3D printer. Like, those guns. What are they called? Invisible guns or something? Ghost guns. Like a ghost gun versus a fucking desert eagle.45. Like, I'm. I assume the Desert Eagle would win.

[Sean Murphy]

Well. And I assume gun guys are into them because there's, like, some artistry and craftsmanship behind that.

[Dan Soder]

Jeff Asthma's has an awesome bit about gun guys are nerds.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Like all the scope. It's all scientific and shit. But you're like. But they are. But they're into it because it's. It's just like being in the cars, but a different way.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

You're into the mechanics of it. You're into, like, how shit's made.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And I'm sure the mechanics of a ghost gun are interesting of, like, printing stuff off and working well.

[Sean Murphy]

And like, people that are in the movie stand up. We're all nerds for that. So if you make just the slop thing that you put no time into, who would. Who gives a fuck about that? I don't even understand who that any of that's for.

[Dan Soder]

You know, I. We were doing. We were going down this whole road about. When I talk about stand up too much, we're. I bought a taser. It was too strong. It would have given me a heart attack. It was a cattle prod. I bought a cattle prod, but it was a hog. It's for hogs.

[Sean Murphy]

What'd you buy it for? For the. For the pod.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, that. Anytime I was talking too much about stand up, he was going to lean over and give me a little. And then someone said menstrual reenactment. Anytime I do that, I get my period. Another good idea that we could put into practice. Again, these are not all off the table.

[Sean Murphy]

That's a pretty good. What about a BB gun?

[Dan Soder]

That.

[Sean Murphy]

But the airsoft. Airsoft. Airsoft. On. Oh, I have many a time. That was my whole college.

[Dan Soder]

I would. I would Larry it homeless pimp if he shot me and it broke my TV or my PlayStation if it ricocheted.

[Sean Murphy]

They don't ricochet. The Airsoft ones, dude.

[Dan Soder]

The airsoft ones can hurt.

[Sean Murphy]

They can't hurt.

[Dan Soder]

They can.

[Sean Murphy]

They can't hurt.

[Dan Soder]

No, I just want that. But I brought that up, and a bunch of people have been like, dude, I Love when you guys talk comedy, and I love about that. And you go, because there are people that love comedy the way we love sports.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And they want to hear people that do it, get into it. I've realized that's the problem with comedy. There's a lot of people that are doing comedy right now that aren't fans of Comedy 100, that they're fans of money, and they're fans of selling tickets, but they're not fans of the. The dork.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Well, we talk all the time about, like, when I even first moved to New York City 10 years ago, everyone would be talking about who's killing, who's bombing, who has a good new bet. Can you help me with this bet? What's. Some tags? And, like, no one talks about that.

[Dan Soder]

That's all followers now.

[Sean Murphy]

It's all like, when do I post? Who has followers?

[Dan Soder]

This person commented on this person, and I get that.

[Sean Murphy]

That's important. But it, like, yeah, there's. There's not as much comedy nerd talk, even amongst comedians, which is a bummer.

[Dan Soder]

Well, the people that are good at salesmanship and doing that moved it away from the stuff that's hard to do, which is. Right. Jokes. That's the hardest part of this job. It's just like, you know, I thought of that when we were talking about building a gun versus printing one out. It's like, there's a lot of 3D printer comics right now.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

There's just a lot of people that are, like, going up and being like, what'd you say, sir? What's that? This guy said this. This guy went, that's half your clip. Okay, I get it. You don't want to burn material, then just probably write more material.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And then just post when it's ready. Because there is, like, this. You got to fill the void. And you're like, but we're filling the void with poop. Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

100.

[Dan Soder]

We're not filling the void with stuff where you got like, I. My favorite part of stand up, and it's not a. It's not a pleasant experience is watching someone with two bits in a set that I get jealous of.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Kurt Metzger used to make me feel that way every time I watched him.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I'd walk away and I go, yeah, Louie, there's a lot of people that I watch like that.

[Sean Murphy]

And if someone is a new bed and you go, oh, my God, that's so good. Why didn't I think of that? Yeah, yeah, that's. That's yeah, that's the best part.

[Dan Soder]

Because it's the most uncomfortable part.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Because you go, I gotta go. Right? I gotta go. Right. But then you write a good joke and you feel good for a little bit, and then it passes and you gotta do it again. But then people are like, that's too hard. How do I just get good at hosting myself?

[Sean Murphy]

How do I chatgpt comedy?

[Dan Soder]

There's gonna be a Nuremberg trial for those people.

[Sean Murphy]

I've heard. Like, a friend was like, I was driving with this comic, and he was like, oh, yeah, I put all my stuff through, like, chatgpt just to make it a little better. And it's like. Like, it goes back to what we're saying. It's like, then why are you doing this? Just do. Do something else at that point.

[Dan Soder]

Especially when you're good at other stuff.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

If you're good at other stuff, just go do that. Just go do what you're good at. Go do what you're good at, what you like doing. If you don't want to do this, I'm not. You don't have to. Yeah, but the problem is, is the devil in the room is the agents, that when you have a lot of people, they go, you're leaving a lot of money on the table. Katie got approached by a huge comedy agent. Huge comedy. If I said his name, you'd know it. And this is when Katie was getting famous on Garbage Time before she moved to espn. And he was like, you should do stand up. She was like, no, I love stand up. She's like, no way. I can't do it. I don't have the time to go do it every night. He goes, you don't have to do that every night. You'll sell tickets.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And it was like, oh, they're. They're pretty open about it.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

They go, no, I'll just make you a lot of money. And then there's just. I mean, I can name six people off top of my head right now, which, again, if you see me live, see Sean and I, February 28th. I'll give you. I'll give you the list. That's always my rule. I'm not going to keep secrets from these people, but I'm not going to put it out there where it can be clipped and misused.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You ask me, we run into each other.

[Sean Murphy]

That'd be funny, that your merch is just a list. The soda list.

[Dan Soder]

I remember that. Come here.

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[Dan Soder]

And they go, that. And I go, that's who. That's who it was. Huh? Next person. Hey, nice to meet you. What's your question? Go to Silver's meeting. It's. It's half talking because, like, I don't do meet and greets because I think it's weird. Matty Healy from the. From 1979 is five. Thank you. I'm old. 1975. I saw an interview with him, and he was like, yeah, meet and greets are weird to me. Why would you meet a fan and have him. He's like, next time you do a meet and greet, make them pay you when you meet him, because they're paying to do it. So the next time you do a meet and greet, have them hand you a hundred dollars and feel how weird that feels.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That's why I don't do meet and greets. It's like if we bump into each other backstage behind the theater, going into the theater at the coffee shop the next day. Yeah. Say, what's up? Take a picture. I would love that. I would absolutely love that. I understand that if I'm outside smoking a joint and you're walking back through the alley to go home, grab a picture.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Ask me the name that I wouldn't say on the podcast, but I'm not gonna stand in a line and take your money just to go like, hey, how are you?

[Sean Murphy]

Yes. Yeah, I think if, like, if you were selling merch and you're by the merch table and there was like, hey, come say hi. You don't gotta Buy anything. Buy something if you want. If not, no big deal like that. That makes sense. But like, you know, you're doing theaters, you'd be mobbed, you'd be there all night.

[Dan Soder]

Well, there is just a point of like, what am I gonna give back? Is it gonna be a phony Hollow.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Because there's so many people.

[Dan Soder]

Started feeling like that way after a little bit when there's so many people and you're done with the show that you're like, hey, hi, how are you? But also, I fucking love these people.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

People that come out to my shows. We're hanging out.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I'm doing an hour of my jokes. I hope you like it. That's the whole agreement. You buy a ticket. I'm gonna try my best to make you laugh the hardest. And if it doesn't work, like when people don't like my stand up, I don't. I'm like, dude, you got a lot of options. Thanks for trying me. I genuinely feel that way of like, thanks for even trying me out. Maybe five or ten years down the road, it works. But like, yeah, that's a.

[Sean Murphy]

And that's a good maturing thing. Like, because I'm to a point, if I'm doing some like C level club and you, you're on stage and you could tell the person's like, I came up for comedy. This is not my person. But it's like, like I feel bad too. It's like, I want you to like me and you wanted to like me. And we just, you know, it happens sometimes you, sometimes you go see a movie, you don't like the movie. It's, it's, you know, it's not part of the world. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

No one's 100 on anything.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Also, I remember being so insecure of going, like, what, can you not handle my jokes? Yeah, yeah, no, they can handle them just fine. They just don't like them and that's fine. And like people get up and leave or whatever. People get mad.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It's always weird to me when someone gets mad about a joke because I go, I. I don't. I think you're think. I think you got other stuff going on.

[Sean Murphy]

100 trying to joke around. Yeah. Well, that's why I say a lot of times when people, they negatively comment on like a video of yours. Like, to you, it's kind of like, I almost don't take offense at it anymore because I'm like, oh, you have some going on in your life that you have to put this.

[Dan Soder]

We need to start acknowledging that people have shit going on in their lives.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And that it spills over a lot of the time.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But, like, I remember I was at the Addison Improv, which is a fantastic club, and I had this throwaway joke about, like, guns, and I was just like, oh, yeah, you'll never give up your gun. Like, you'll give your guns up to the army because you love the army. They're like professional guns. It's like you would give your football up to Tom Brady if he came to your house. Like, give me your football. And you're like, yeah, dude. You sign it, I take a picture with it. You know, like, can I have it back if you sign it? And it was like this. It was even like, it wasn't a. Like, dishes.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It was just like. I think it's funny because it is this. And this guy was like, this. Give me my check this. And you're like, buddy.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

What's going on? I was talking about my dog being fat no less than three minutes later. So I wasn't harping on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Throw away. Just joke. And if you feel different, like. And it started with liberals. Liberals were the first ones.

[Sean Murphy]

Actually.

[Dan Soder]

No, I'm going to be honest. It started with right wing Christian conservatives.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

They were the people that went, you cannot say that. You can't say that. That's indecent. You can't say that.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. That's why I. I kind of lose my mind when people act. Like the sensitivity thing is like a partisan thing. It's like, I've been along. I've been alive long enough to. I remember fucking Sinead o'. Connor.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

Fucking freedom Fries. I remember Dixie Chicks. Like, all that was way.

[Dan Soder]

I'm old enough to remember Parental advisory was a Democrat 100%. I'm old to remember that Tipper Gore didn't want our rappers cussing, like, it's all fucking. Who's gonna make money off it?

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And so what's funny is now. But then watching, like right now, the right is like, yeah, we can't say anything. It's like, well, we couldn't say anything in the 80s because he. You. And then now it was like, hey, liberals, you're not out of this. Because I remember in 2013 where you were like, that's a microaggression. You created microaggression losers. The is wrong with you? Yeah.

[Sean Murphy]

That's.

[Dan Soder]

You know, who's gonna hurt that person that's made up in your joke? And then it's like, and then it became this, like, rallying cry. Like, well, we can say, well, we're over on the right. And it was just people that didn't know how to write jokes, but they were just saying mean.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And they go, well, I'm sorry. Because the thing you can always do is you can always camouflage mean for funny 100.

[Sean Murphy]

And that's good.

[Dan Soder]

And funny has a little meanness.

[Sean Murphy]

It's such an amateur thing. Like, we've all been in those early days of open mics where the comic, like, doesn't know how to write a joke, so he immediately goes to, like, abortion and whatever. Like, controversial. It's gonna get like an ooh. Because an ooh is better than a silence.

[Dan Soder]

A silence. Violence is tough because you go, I didn't get a reaction. But a new. And then you do the thing that I was talking about. You're like, they can't take it. Handle me. There's a comic who will remain nameless. And let's see me live. He a friend of mine. This is Austin, Pre Rogan Sphere Body Snatcher. When Austin was Austin. So Austin was like, weird. It was like, you know, very liberal. Very like, very liberal. And then like, also, like, it was crunchy.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It was like Boulder. It like felt like Boulder, Colorado, which was like, there was like a looming conservative feeling. But this like Blue Island. Yeah, that's what Austin was. Used to be. Just like Blue island in the middle of Texas. And there was a comic who was very far left and he was doing this joke. My buddy who lived in Austin saw this happen and he was at a very. Is it the Velveeta room? Room. Very great room. Very, very liberal. And he's doing this joke and he's bombing about abortion. He's doing an abortion boat. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot I'm in Texas. You guys can't handle this. And my buddy's like, you're in Austin.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

This is like where people go to get abortions. But it was like that idea of like, I'm sorry, am I hurting your brain? And they're like, like, dog, we're on your team.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

What are you talking about?

[Sean Murphy]

Just these made up, built in excuses for a joke because the joke isn't funny. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So. Oh. Instead of me saying the hardest thing possible, which is taking accountability and going, you know, what else? Or when someone has a joke that's similar.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And you go, I've always been under the. The thing of like, well, let me see how similar. Let me See, if mine's based on a personal experience. If it is, I'll probably fight for that joke.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And if not, throw it away.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. Although I have this thing, an observation. What do you think about this? I have this thing that, like, every other art form watches their art and is, like, inspired by it. I feel like comedy is the only one that. Like that. Like, we're very like. Like, you. You watch a documentary about any filmmaker, and they'll be like, oh, I stole that shot from Godfather. It was a good shot. I. I just kind of took that and, like. And, like, in comedy, it's like. Like, you have a joke about a microphone prior did a microphone joke in 77, and you're like, who. Who. Who gives a.

[Dan Soder]

You know, it used to be. I don't think it's like that anymore. I don't think the young kids give a. About that anymore. And I think that's what's important about it, is it's okay to be influenced.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It's. I was influenced by Dave Chappelle. I was influenced by Louis. I was influenced by Bill Burr. I was influenced by Joe DeRosa. I was influenced by Nate Bargetzi. I was influenced by Shane. I was influenced by Big J. By, like, when I'm around the funniest people that I know. And the way I go, I like, Yeah, I like that. But I'm not stealing anything. It's okay. A lot of times people are like, norman and I were talking about it, and someone had a. I saw a conversation online, but they were like, oh, they said they're stealing Shane's thing. It's like, well, they're not. They're just doing Shane. That. You can be influenced by it, but at a certain point, you have to go, I'm doing this.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And it's okay to be influenced by somebody. Yeah, that's. That's a great, great compliment. Yeah. Because you go, oh, man, you did this in such a right way that I feel like that's the way to do it.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And that's fine. But you got to admit, it's accountability. Like, everything we're talking about right now is just people not accepting accountability. Like, yeah, I was probably. I watched my first Paid Weekend at Laughs in Tucson on, like, a micro dvd. I'm doing Dave Chappelle.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I'm doing Dave Chappelle. I'm going like, man, I don't know you ever seen. And you're like, dude, that's Chappelle.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But I. That was my. That's my Favorite comedian of all time. So, of course, it's like if you were a guitar player and you grew up listening to the Stones, people would go, oh, you play. You're, like, trying to do what Keith Richards does. Oh, yeah. I grew up, right. Mick Taylor do this fucking thing that I'm obsessed with. And it's like, that's cool.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That's all art.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah. And I know there's a thin line between influence and stealing, but I think sometimes people go too much in. In one direction, where we're all gonna have jokes about, like, a sex or a thing or, you know, whatever topic it is.

[Dan Soder]

It's like, Pete Ravello and I were talking about that. Pete Ravello, me and Louie all have jokes right now about people in our family over 90 dying.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

We all have different punchlines.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

We all have different punchlines to it. In fact, Louie's. I watched and I went, all right, I'm cutting some of mine.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You talked about living in a home, and I had, like, a lot about it. It. And I cut it just to what I had that was individually mine that I lived through.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So I was like, great. I'm gonna keep. I'm not. Because I used to. With Louie and Rock and all them in Chappelle, I would. I would just bail on bits.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I go, he's doing it. You know, but now I go, well, no, that my grandma did.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Live at this home. And I did have this experience. So it. But I think it's just. That's the difference of, like, taking accountability for your act and just going, like, being a victim.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Going like, everyone.

[Sean Murphy]

I don't know.

[Dan Soder]

He stole it. He might have stole it, but it's like. I don't think he did.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

A lot of the times, very few people are straight up jacking bits.

[Sean Murphy]

Yes. And if they are, we end up finding out who that is. We don't need independent investigators to let us know.

[Dan Soder]

I know that before.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And I've caught. And there's polite ways to call people out.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You don't have to be a dick, but you can go. You know, so. And so does that.

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And if they go like. And they keep doing it, you're like, piece of. You're not a piece of shit. You're one of my favorite comics.

[Sean Murphy]

Oh, thank you.

[Dan Soder]

You go watch Sean Murphy.

[Sean Murphy]

It's a good segue. Good segue. That's gonna be how I'm intro on shows from now on. This guy. Not a piece of.

[Dan Soder]

He's not a piece of. But you just put out a great special. Pimp did it?

[Sean Murphy]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Turned out fantastic.

[Sean Murphy]

Looks great.

[Dan Soder]

Looks great. It's funny as.

[Sean Murphy]

Thank you.

[Dan Soder]

It's great, man. Go check out Sean's new special. In fact, the link is right below you. Right here.

[Sean Murphy]

Hell yeah.

[Dan Soder]

On YouTube. Go give him views. And you're on Norman's.

[Sean Murphy]

I'm on Norman's YouTube. It's called Long story Thin. And yeah, I don't follow me on Instagram, all that.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, follow Sean. You're probably gonna see him open for me in some places. Me, him and the Sag daddy. Nice Sag Daddy Dugong. I'll make sure to do.

[Sean Murphy]

His formal name is his given name.

[Dan Soder]

And I hope the Patriots won the Super Bowl.

[Sean Murphy]

I hope they lose by 50. And I hope no Boston Sports team ever wins again.

[Dan Soder]

Boston Sports. Sam.