The Next Call with David Ridgen: Episode 1 in the case of Terrie Dauphinais

Summary

Summary of "The Next Call with David Ridgen: Episode 1 in the Case of Terrie Dauphinais"

Release Date: October 1, 2024

Introduction

In the inaugural episode of "The Next Call," hosted by David Ridgen, listeners are introduced to the harrowing case of Terrie Dauphinais—a Metis teenager from Hanover, Ontario—whose disappearance in 1993 remains unsolved. The episode delves deep into the personal anguish of Terrie's mother, Sue Martin, as she navigates the murky waters of a stalled investigation and confronts the suspect who confessed to her daughter's murder.

1. The Tragic Disappearance of Terrie Dauphinais

The podcast opens by setting the stage for Terrie's disappearance. David Ridgen outlines the grim timeline:

[00:01] David Ridgen: "Between 1973 and 1986, the Golden State Killer terrorized Californians."

Though this reference to the Golden State Killer provides a parallel to other unresolved cases, the focus swiftly shifts to Terrie Dauphinais.

2. Introducing Sue Martin and Her Family

Sue Martin, Terrie's mother, is portrayed as a resilient yet broken woman grappling with the loss of her daughter. Her background is touched upon, highlighting previous family tragedies:

[04:49] Sue Martin: "What people don't know about me, I've lost twin boys when I was seven months pregnant. And I lost Terry's older sister when she was three years old. That hurt. That was a lot of pain. Murder is even worse."

Sue's deep-rooted pain underscores the magnitude of Terrie's loss and her relentless pursuit of justice.

3. The Night of the Murder

Detailed descriptions of the crime scene provide a chilling account of Terrie's last moments:

[08:32] David Ridgen: "Terry, at the age of 24, had been living with her daughter and two sons in a large two-story house in Calgary's northwest quadrant."

Key findings from the autopsy reveal the brutality of the attack:

[10:32] David Ridgen: "The coroner ruled cause of death with the following summary compression by either parts of a hand or parts of a hand and some form of cloth band."

The absence of forced entry and the presence of specific shoe prints add layers of complexity to the case.

4. Ken Dauphine: The Suspect

Ken Dauphine, Terrie's husband, emerges as the primary suspect. His troubled past and strained relationship with Sue Martin are explored:

[14:03] David Ridgen: "One person of interest. One suspect her husband, Kenneth Dauphiney, mentioned repeatedly in the media and by sue herself."

Sue recounts a harrowing domestic incident two months prior to Terrie's death:

[14:40] Sue Martin: "March 8, 2002, Terry called the Calgary Police Department for domestic violence."

Ken's aggressive behavior and the subsequent separation from Terrie raise suspicions about his potential involvement in the murder.

5. Police Investigations and Interviews

The podcast delves into the police's handling of the case, highlighting delays and perceived negligence:

[13:16] David Ridgen: "Police at the time did not believe the murder was random. They posited that Terry knew her killer."

Ken's interactions with law enforcement are scrutinized through detailed transcripts of his interviews:

[22:16] David Ridgen: "Detective Roy Fitzpatrick slowly ramps up the pressure."

Despite extensive questioning, Ken maintains a silent stance, neither admitting nor denying involvement:

[27:00] Ken Dauphine: "I'm going to exercise the right to silence as per the legal counsel that I received."

6. The Emotional Toll on the Family

Sue Martin's narrative poignantly captures the emotional devastation inflicted by Terrie's murder:

[12:03] Sue Martin: "We only had 10 minutes to view our daughter before she was cremated. She's already gone. She's already gone. They should have held her body."

The impact extends to Terrie's children, who were left traumatized and eventually placed in Ken's custody, severing ties with Sue's family.

7. The Quest for Justice and Closure

Sue's unwavering determination to seek justice for her daughter is evident throughout the episode. Her frustration with the Crown Prosecutor's handling of the case is palpable:

[34:27] Sue Martin: "The justice system failed Terry the Crown, prosecutors failed Terry."

David Ridgen emphasizes the podcast's role in reopening and scrutinizing stalled cases, aiming to bring closure to affected families:

[34:34] David Ridgen: "The Crown had stayed the charges against Terry's husband and the case of Terry Dauphiny would remain open."

8. Conclusion and Future Endeavors

The episode concludes with a reflection on the ongoing challenges faced by Sue Martin and her family. David Ridgen hints at future investigations and the broader mission of "The Next Call" to shed light on unsolved cases:

[35:01] David Ridgen: "The Next Call is hosted, written and produced by me, David Ridgen."

Listeners are left with a profound sense of the unresolved pain and the pressing need for justice in Terrie Dauphinais's case.

Key Takeaways

• Unsolved Mystery: Terrie Dauphinais's murder remains an open case with lingering questions about Ken Dauphine's involvement.

• Family Tragedy: The loss extends beyond Terrie to her children and previous family members, amplifying Sue Martin's quest for answers.

• Systemic Failures: The podcast highlights perceived shortcomings in the police investigation and prosecutorial follow-through.

• Emotional Resilience: Despite immense grief, Sue Martin exemplifies strength and determination in seeking justice for her daughter.

Notable Quotes

• Sue Martin on Her Pain:

  "[04:49] 'What people don't know about me, I've lost twin boys when I was seven months pregnant. And I lost Terry's older sister when she was three years old. That hurt. That was a lot of pain. Murder is even worse.'”

• Ken Dauphine's Silence:

  "[27:00] 'I'm going to exercise the right to silence as per the legal counsel that I received.'”

• Sue Martin on Systemic Failures:

  "[34:27] 'The justice system failed Terry the Crown, prosecutors failed Terry.'"

Final Thoughts

"The Next Call" masterfully intertwines personal narratives with investigative journalism, offering listeners an intimate glimpse into Terrie Dauphinais's tragic story and the enduring quest for justice. Through Sue Martin's poignant recounting and David Ridgen's meticulous storytelling, the episode underscores the profound human cost of unsolved crimes and the imperative to seek closure for affected families.

Transcript

[David Ridgeon]

Between 1973 and 1986, the Golden State Killer terrorized Californians.

[Sue Martin]

He scoped out the homes he would enter. Police would find cigarettes under a tree by a window. So he was frequently there at the window, in the backyard, in the dark.

[David Ridgeon]

I'm Kathleen Goldthar, and this week on Crime why it took police more than 40 years to identify the Golden State Killer. Find Crime Story wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast.

[Sue Martin]

They didn't argue anything. They didn't object to anything. They just let everything slide by. And I'm going to call it a show, because that's what it is. Good morning, David.

[David Ridgeon]

Hi, Sue. Sorry for all the waiting.

[Sue Martin]

Oh, no, not a problem. We have a job to do, bud.

[David Ridgeon]

This is Sue Martin, a mother from western Canada whose daughter, Terry Dauphiney, was murdered in Calgary in the spring of 2002. I've called sue back a day after I received an anxious, angry message from her, but she wasn't upset with me.

[Sue Martin]

It's just dumbfounding, David. It's just dumbfounding. Right now I'm trying.

[David Ridgeon]

Sue's talking about a courtroom drama that recently unfolded in front of her. A suspect finally being tried for the murder of her daughter. But to continue from here, we should really go back to 2015, when I first met sue on an island in the Ottawa river behind the Canadian Parliament buildings.

[Sue Martin]

My husband and I can't get out of our head and off of our heart what we heard in that courtroom. We wish we wouldn't have heard it, but we heard it all.

[David Ridgeon]

I'm David Ridgeon, and welcome to the next Call, Episode one in the case of Terry Dauphiny. It's a cold November day, bit of snow on the ground. I can see some tents through some sumac. I can smell campfire out here, helicopters overhead, apartment buildings in the background. Here we go. Hello. It's early in the morning, and people in the encampment I'm walking towards are just getting moving, carrying firewood and coffees in an assortment of mugs. And someone's filling a generator from a plastic gas can. The camp was strategically set up here because it has historically been considered a sacred site, but also for maximum media exposure. I'm here to talk to Sue Martin for the first time about her daughter Terry's case. How are you?

[Sue Martin]

Good. I didn't expect you till Thursday.

[David Ridgeon]

You're Sue?

[Sue Martin]

Yes, I am.

[David Ridgeon]

Nice to meet you.

[Sue Martin]

Nice to meet you. You're in the wigwam, my lodgings for the Kokums. So this is basically Our lodgings for the winter.

[David Ridgeon]

Sue is Cree and her daughter Terry was Metis. In 2015, sue had organized a ceremony here to raise awareness of Terry's case and those of other murdered and missing indigenous women. At the time, little seemed to have happened in Terry's case. And I was thinking a new podcast I was developing at the CBC called Someone Knows something could be of some help.

[Sue Martin]

You notice I had a tree fall down through my camp. It just missed me by a split second.

[David Ridgeon]

When did that happen?

[Sue Martin]

Thursday night.

[David Ridgeon]

Yeah, look at that. Well, at least you got some more firewood.

[Sue Martin]

Yeah, but it's not seasonal, so the fire keeps going. It's about our murdered and missing loved ones. Our men, our boys, our women, and our girls. And this isn't just about my child. This is about all of us. So that's why I'm down here.

[David Ridgeon]

Sue, in glasses and wrapped in a bright blanket, looks tired but intense and determined. She's been here in this campsite for over 200 days already, with plans for several weeks more.

[Sue Martin]

What people don't know about me, I've lost twin boys when I was seven months pregnant. And I lost Terry's older sister when she was three years old. That hurt. That was a lot of pain. Murder is even worse. Murder is even worse. But I didn't show anger because you're not allowed to show how you feel out in the real world when your child is murdered because then you're. I don't know what they would call it. It.

[David Ridgeon]

Somebody brings some wood, throwing a few branches onto a fire next to us. In the distance, I can hear that generator starting up and sue gestures me to a stump.

[Sue Martin]

Yeah, you can sit beside the fire. I'm one who shakes trees. You're a tree. I do it in a good way. Terry was murdered on April 29, 2002 in Calgary at the age of 24, leaving three small children behind. Terry was about 5, 9, about 115 lbs. Hazel eyes, very, very beautiful. She didn't like the way she looked. She always thought she should be dirty blonde like her sister, Carrie Pearl. And she just like, oh, how come she got the good looks? Mom and I never got the good looks. And Terry was very self conscious. Her hair had to be perfect, the puffy hair. She was very gifted, very talented, had a lot of patience. She had a 99 point average in school. She was a valedictorian of her class. Full scholarship to go to any university paid in Canada. She could pick up an instrument and she could play it within an hour. You know, like she was a spitting image of me. She never wore tight clothes. She wore baggy clothes. Almost like me. And she used to hate it. Oh, God, you're so much like your mom. Now she's smiling. I was like my mom. And I know she's watching me. And the picture that I have, she wrote on the back, one day people will know my name. People will know who I am. I don't know if she knew that she was going to die, but people know her name and people know who she is.

[David Ridgeon]

Sue believes that Terry's case was left on the back burner because her daughter was Metis.

[Sue Martin]

We shouldn't have to fear. We shouldn't have to fear. And you shouldn't be judged because you got a different skin color. Because you know what? We're all connected. We all come from the same creator. We all bleed. We all hurt the same. That's. That's what this is about.

[David Ridgeon]

Terry, at the age of 24, had been living with her daughter and two sons in a large two story house in Calgary's northwest quadrant. The owners had been part of the same church as Terry and had given her a deal on use of the house. She and her children had been living there as she and her husband of about four years were undergoing a separation. His name is Ken Dauphine.

[Sue Martin]

There was no forced entry to Terry's house. She knew never ever to answer that door when someone was on that other side or ever answered the door in her pajamas. The girls were raised no. You get dressed and you make sure that you're dressed. Don't come in skimpy clothing. So for Terry to open up that door, even if it was her best friend, she'd go and throw on a pair of jogging pants and a sweat top. I just know my child. But she was exposed.

[David Ridgeon]

Terry's body was found on the morning of April 29, around 10:30am on the floor of the front hall of her house, wearing a short dressing robe and nothing else. The belt used to tie robes like this around the waist was missing. An Adidas shoe print was found at the scene. She lay leaning against a closed basement door. A window in this basement was found unlocked from the inside and the screen for the window was found outside the home. Flashing clocks showed there had been a power disruption in the house at some point during the night. Terry was discovered by her stepsister, Heather Martin, who said she had made plans to hang out with Terry on April 29th. But nobody came to the front door. When she knocked, the front and back doors were locked. Heather says she used the back door key she had in her possession to enter the house, thereupon finding Terry on the floor. When police arrived, Heather was crumpled on the driveway crying with a neighbor trying to console her. Another neighbor called 911.

[Sue Martin]

No, the police haven't shared any documentation. Someone told me I'm entitled to all the police reports. I'm not entitled to her autopsy report. And I know that.

[David Ridgeon]

The autopsy shows that petechial hemorrhaging blood spots that emerge on the skin from ruptured capillaries is evident on Terry's neck and face. The coroner ruled cause of death with the following summary compression by either parts of a hand or parts of a hand and some form of cloth band. Fresh bruises and scrapes are present on her body, but also some bruising that is older than 24 hours. The origin of these older bruises is unknown. Time of death has not been released, but an assessment of available documents would put Terry's murder sometime between 10:15pm on April 28, 2002 and about 9am on April 29.

[Sue Martin]

Our grandbabies were locked in the house with her dead body. I knew she was coming home because I seen her with the three babies in my dreams. But she didn't come home. She came home. And the remains.

[David Ridgeon]

Terry's four and a half year old daughter and two year old son were found physically unharmed, locked in their bedrooms upstairs. It's unclear whether it was Ken or Terry or both who installed the locks on the outside of the bedroom doors. The youngest boy, a baby at eight months old, was found strapped into a car seat in Terry's closet with the door closed.

[Sue Martin]

We only had 10 minutes to view our daughter before she was cremated. She's already gone. She's already gone. They should have held her body.

[David Ridgeon]

Terry's mother, sue and her stepfather Tony Martin, had been living by coincidence in the Ontario town of Arn prior when Terry was murdered. My hometown. When they heard the news, they traveled west immediately. But when they arrived, Terry was already at the funeral home and they didn't get much time to spend with Terry's body.

[Sue Martin]

Yeah, I'm gonna tell people what my daughter looked like, what our baby looked like on that slab before she was cremated, how we were treated. She was strangled, handprints. She was black and blue from head to toe. My daughter didn't have dignity. My daughter was treated like garbage. And that's an image in my head.

[David Ridgeon]

Police at the time did not believe the murder was random. They posited that Terry knew her killer. And also stating the obvious that Only the killer knows the motive, despite any evidence available. When I met sue at her encampment in 2015, her frustrations with what she saw as an imminently solvable case had risen to an unbearable height.

[Sue Martin]

I called the Crown Prosecutor and asked, what is it going to take to have our daughter's murders solved when there's only one person of interest? It took him two days to get back to me. There's only one suspect or person of interest, as they say.

[David Ridgeon]

One person of interest. One suspect her husband, Kenneth Dauphiney, mentioned repeatedly in the media and by sue herself.

[Sue Martin]

I know they have to clear everybody as a suspect. They said that the Crown Prosecutor needed more evidence. It was circumstantial evidence, and they have boxes and boxes and boxes.

[David Ridgeon]

Sue's suspicions, in part, come from an incident between Terry and Ken from about two months before Terry was found dead. It comes up when I ask sue about Terry and Ken's marriage.

[Sue Martin]

March 8, 2002, Terry called the Calgary Police Department for domestic violence.

[David Ridgeon]

On the March 8th incident, Terry, Terry and husband Ken had argued, and it had gotten physical. It's known that Ken twisted Terry's arm. Terry called the police, but they arrived after Ken was gone. Ken wasn't questioned about this incident at the time and moved out that day. They separated shortly afterward. Terry told sue that Children's services called her about it, and sue says Ken wasn't happy. I'll be trying to contact Ken to discuss all of this directly.

[Sue Martin]

No one was removed from the home. Not her, not Ken.

[David Ridgeon]

52 days later, Terry would be murdered and no charges would be laid. I asked sue for more about Ken.

[Sue Martin]

Ken was. Ken's full name is Kenneth Michael Sinclair Person slash Daphne, or whatever other alias names he goes by.

[David Ridgeon]

Ken changed his last name from Person to Daphne before marrying Terry. And sometimes Ken uses his middle names, Michael and Sinclair.

[Sue Martin]

Because my husband and I are childhood survivors of abuse. We've always believed in our hearts if you gave a child unconditional love, you could steer that child on the right path. We had a meeting with Joanne Person, Ken's mom. Ken was 15 at that time, almost 16. He had belonged to the Aryan Nations. And then his grandmother Doris started calling us day and night because not even his own family wanted him. So my husband and I sat down with the girls and we talked, and it was a family decision. And the girl said, yes, all the girls, yes, let's do it. So we took them in.

[David Ridgeon]

So at the age of 16, sue and her husband took Ken into their home. Despite having heard stories, she says that Ken was aggressive and violent. A handwritten letter that sue says she received from Ken's mother, Joanne Person, in March 1991 says that Ken was involved in the Aryan nations and that Ken feared for his safety after turning evidence over to police about Aryan Nation's activities. In the same letter, Ken's mother suggests that sue should be given guardianship of Ken to help him hide from the Nations. Since Ken would have been a minor at the time, any records would be expunged or publicly inaccessible. So confirming any allegations here about Ken's record is not possible. I'll be reaching out to Ken's mother to talk about him and the contents of this letter. Sue continues talking about Ken and her family at the time.

[Sue Martin]

We moved up to the Yukon and he came with us and didn't want to go to school in Ross river, so we sent him to Whitehorse. Him and Terry kept in touch. Ken stayed with us for about six months in the Yukon and then he went back. His uncle in Winnipeg took him in and then he went up to Flintlon, Manitoba to his other aunts and finished high school there. And then when we came back from the Yukon, we moved back to Winnipeg, my husband and I and the girls.

[David Ridgeon]

But Ken had kept in touch with.

[Sue Martin]

Terry all the time. And we kept in contact with Ken too. Ken we loved like a son. They were in contact by phone. But when we moved back to Winnipeg, Ken came back.

[David Ridgeon]

Sue moved to Ottawa for 10 months to care for her sister who was fighting breast cancer. Terry and Ken and the rest of her family remained in Manitoba.

[Sue Martin]

And we promised Terry that we wouldn't move when she was in high school, she could finish her high school because Terry, she was intelligent. My husband called me just after my sister finished her radiation chemotherapy and said that Ken and Terry were becoming boyfriend and girlfriend. And then we noticed that she had bruises on her arms. So my husband talked to him about that. Ken, you don't do that. That's wrong. You and Ken had to move out because they became boyfriend and girlfriend.

[David Ridgeon]

And how old were they at that?

[Sue Martin]

Okay, Terry was 16. Ken would have been 20. Anyways, I told him, I talked to him, I said, you know, everybody has their problems, but if you ever touch her, I'm your worst nightmare.

[David Ridgeon]

Eventually, Ken and Terry got married in 1998 and moved to Calgary where they joined a church. The same church that Terry's loved ones would gather in for her memorial service just a few years later.

[Sue Martin]

If he would have came up in that so called funeral home where we had 10 minutes to visit our daughter's body. If he would have came up and said I didn't do this, we would have believed him. But instead he turned his back on us. Hi, I'm Christy Lee, the creator of Canadian True Crime. Join me for an immersive deep dive into some of the most thought provoking true crime cases in Canada. Using facts curated from court documents, inquiry reports and news archives, I carefully unravel and analyze each case, exposing the pitfalls of the criminal justice system that everyone needs to know about. Find Canadian True Crime wherever you listen to podcasts or visit canadiantruecrime.ca.

[David Ridgeon]

Ken never spoke to sue about Terry or her murder in the aftermath. And police have stated that Ken was never cooperative in the investigation, but they did speak to him. Ken Dauphine was picked up by police just two hours after Terry's body was found. On April 29, 2002. Ken was found completing a delivery for the trucking company he worked for and was immediately brought in for questioning.

[Ken Dauphine]

How do you pronounce your last name?

[David Ridgeon]

This is audio taken from the VideoTape of the first of two interviews police conducted with Ken Dauphine.

[Sue Martin]

Dauphiny.

[Ken Dauphine]

Oh, okay. What nationality that grandfather on my dad's side is Matey. Oh, okay.

[David Ridgeon]

Ken sitting in a small bare room wearing a navy long sleeve shirt and tight fitting khaki shorts, watch on his left wrist. He has a mustache and male pattern baldness is setting in opposite in a chair, leaning forward with elbows on his knees. Detective Roy Fitzpatrick. He and another Calgary detective named Robin Greenwood conduct this interview. Fitzpatrick slowly ramps up the pressure.

[Sue Martin]

I would really like to know what.

[Ken Dauphine]

Happened because I don't see that. I don't see it as Ken purposely went over there for something to happen. I think this is something that wasn't meant to happen. You didn't mean to hurt her? I don't even know what happened. All I've been told is I have been arrested for the homicide of my wife. Period. Yeah, and you were the last person I understand.

[David Ridgeon]

The interview continues for some time and Ken isn't silent. But he doesn't admit to or deny anything regarding Terry's murder. Ken does say that he and Terry sought counseling from a pastor at their church after the arm twisting incident, but adds that Terry also got physical, grabbing and hitting him. Then Ken walks police through what he says he did and the timing of it. The day before Terry's last day alive.

[Ken Dauphine]

When was the last time you saw your kids? Yesterday it was about 4:30 in the afternoon. 4:00? About. Yeah, 4:00. About was when I left. And where were you heading? I was heading home.

[David Ridgeon]

Since Ken says he and Terry had been separated for seven weeks, Home at the time was a condo about a 15 minute drive away that he was staying at, owned by a woman named Fran. Fran is described as an older woman who Ken says he met through their mutual church. She rented Ken a room during his separation from Terry. Ken says he had gone to Terry's to see his kids.

[Ken Dauphine]

Okay, all right. So what time would you have got to see Terry yesterday? You left at 4:00 over there? At 10 in the morning, 9:30 in the morning. Okay.

[David Ridgeon]

At Terry's on the 28th of April from about 9:30am to 4:00pm but then Ken says he returned to Terry's place a second time.

[Ken Dauphine]

Man, I had to take back some movies or something. But Terry had called because she hadn't had a chance to go get groceries. So I went back at about 9:00 last night. Last night. And I stayed with the kids in the house while she went and got groceries. She took about an hour and.

[Sue Martin]

She came back and we talked.

[Ken Dauphine]

In the afternoon when I was there, we had put the kids out for a nap and were talking and getting close and we had gotten intimate.

[David Ridgeon]

Terry is confirmed by a closed circuit surveillance camera to have arrived at the Safeway grocery store at 9:30pm and to have left at 10:02pm the store was about a 10 minute drive to her home when she arrived back. Ken says they became intimate and that Terry asked him to stay the night.

[Ken Dauphine]

And then I told her that I really should go because it wouldn't. It's going to be confusing for the kids. So I left about 11:30. It's about 11:30 last night.

[David Ridgeon]

Ken says the pastor's counseling was going well and volunteers that Terry had given him the key to the front door as a sign that trusted was building.

[Ken Dauphine]

I didn't. When I did leave that seven weeks ago, she had locks changed. Oh, she didn't?

[David Ridgeon]

Yeah.

[Ken Dauphine]

Okay. Cuz she had a concern for her safety. We kind of talked about that and then I did. She did end up giving me a key. Cuz we were speaking about me moving back and then. When did you get a key for that? That was Saturday. I think it was Saturday. Just a couple, three days ago. Okay. And she gave you a key and you've gone like on a keychain or a key ring or something like that. I take. I've never used it, but I haven't. It was just a token of trust, I guess.

[David Ridgeon]

Fitzpatrick Tries a final time to get an admission out of can.

[Ken Dauphine]

You're not a bad person. This is something that just happened and you didn't mean it to happen. If you could turn back the clock, you would pay any amount and do anything to do that. You know that. So if that's what happened, let's talk about it. I don't know what happened. We do whatever happened. But I'm not willing to talk about what happened either. I'm going to exercise the right to silence as per the legal counsel that I received.

[David Ridgeon]

I can't undo what happened, but I'm not willing to talk about it either. And that's it for the first police interview of Ken Dauphine. In the second interview, Ken is questioned by Calgary police investigator Craig Cuthbert. Cuthbert, possibly angling towards Ken's church membership, tries to goad Ken into speaking using religious bombast. Quoting the bible several times, Cuthbert says, you'll never know where or when, but the time will come when you will get your comeuppance. I don't doubt that. Another saying is, what goes around comes around. Or quoting the Bible, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Cuthbert continues, and Ken begins to reply with his right to silence. I've been advised by my legal counsel. But then, according to the transcript I have, Cuthbert seems to interrupt with, oh, fuck off. I don't care what you're going to say. I don't care. I'm not looking for a statement from you little shithead mother murderer, you widowmaker. I've been down this road so many times. You know what, Ken? Shit is going to happen and it's going to happen to you. You never know when and you never know where. And with that, nothing more to my knowledge comes from Ken in the second and final interview.

[Ken Dauphine]

Thinking, well, can you.

[Sue Martin]

Move you right back.

[David Ridgeon]

In total, Ken was held for about 37 hours and then released. This is the last time I know of that Ken would willingly assist police in the investigation into Terry's murder. Eight years later, in 2010, police told the media that Ken Dauphine was the last person to see Terry alive. Has anyone tried to talk to Ken.

[Sue Martin]

Like, other than oh, yeah, oh, yeah. He won't answer the door. It's quiet. Everything's shut down. And in his house, the drapes are always closed so no one can see in his house. I've only got to see Terry's children twice. My husband once. And I remember our granddaughter. The first time we saw her, she looked up at her papa and she said, aren't you going to take me, my brothers. Don't you love us?

[David Ridgeon]

During the investigation, Terry's children were looked after for the first few days by Child At Risk Response, a team made up of a police officer and a social worker. Thereafter, they were looked after by Terry's friend Teresa Ross and Teresa's husband Richard. After a five month fight for custody, the children were allowed to return to their father, Ken. They remained with him into their teens and at least their early adult life. Eventually, Ken and Terry's daughter moved back to Western Canada where she remains and his two sons accompanied Ken to Manitoba. They have not stayed in touch with sue or her husband since Terry was murdered. The daughter is protected by an identification ban and I'm choosing to keep the two sons as anonymous as well.

[Sue Martin]

When we lost Terry, we just didn't lose Terry. We lost three more family members. We lost two children.

[David Ridgeon]

What's the communication been like between you.

[Sue Martin]

And Ken since there's been no communication, he won't even address the issue. I know if I'm wrong, I'll apologize to him, but I don't believe we're wrong. Terry's belief in the Creator was so strong, she thought if she could pray, she could change him to the better. For a long time I blamed myself for my baby's demise because as a mom, I should have protected her.

[David Ridgeon]

The fire's burned lower and there's more people gathered around now, some listening quietly to the story sue is telling. We stare into the embers for a while and sue shuffles with some more wood.

[Sue Martin]

The sacred fire is where I come and pray in the morning. And I thank the Creator for all my blessings. I pray for the people that are sick or dying. I pray for mental health, our government to open up their eyes and have a heart and stop selling our land because they're hurting Mother Earth and she's rebelling. I thank Mother Earth for the waters, for the food that she supplies. I thank the trees. I thank the four legged animals or winged animals. I thank Grandfather Sun, Father Sky, Grandmother Moon. I thank my ancestors.

[David Ridgeon]

My time in 20002015 with sue comes to an end. And that brings us closer to the present.

[Sue Martin]

Good morning, David.

[David Ridgeon]

Hi sue, how are you?

[Sue Martin]

I could be better.

[David Ridgeon]

Sounded like it last night on your message. Sorry I couldn't talk last night.

[Sue Martin]

This is a worthy story for you guys to take on and stuff. I'm blaming the Crown for the mess up in this case. I.

[David Ridgeon]

Once I left the island, I continued to follow Terry's case, but had already begun. Someone knows something in earnest with season one about Adrian McNaughton, who disappeared on a fishing trip in the Ottawa Valley in 1971. Soon after that production, I focused on the Cheryl Shepard case in Hamilton, though I had my eye on Terry's case for season three. But then on May 21, 2018, Ken Dauphiney was arrested and charged with second degree murder. According to the Crown, Ken entered into a not guilty plea. I called sue, but she didn't want to talk about what was going on for fear of jeopardizing the investigation. And then sometime in 2020, sue called me back and she wanted to talk all about what had been happening. Perhaps I could be of some use here On Terry's case they failed Terry.

[Sue Martin]

The justice system failed Terry the Crown, prosecutors failed Terry.

[David Ridgeon]

The Crown had stayed the charges against Terry's husband and the case of Terry Dauphiny would remain open.

[Sue Martin]

I think it was a tough one right from the get go because basically the only witness that we could get was this four and a half year old girl.

[David Ridgeon]

The Next Call is hosted, written and produced by me, David Ridgeon. The series is also produced by Hadil Abdel Nabi, Sound design by Evan Kelly. Our senior producer is Cecil Fernandez. Emily Cannell is our digital producer and our story editor is Chris Oak. The Executive Producer of CBC Podcasts is Arif Noorani. To see images from the investigation, find us on Facebook and InstagramBCPodcasts. And if you're looking for more investigations, check out Someone Knows Something. Each season I investigate a different unsolved case from a five year old who goes missing after a family fishing trip to a mother's decades long search for justice. Find Someone Knows Something on the CBC Listen app or wherever you get your podcasts. For more CBC Podcasts, go to CBC capodcasts.