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Glenn Greenberg (1:27)
I don't have to say much because I'm the quiet beetle. It's unfortunate Paul's not here because he was the one who had the speech in his pocket. Anyway, we all know why John can't be here, and I'm sure he would be. And it's hard really to stand here supposedly representing the Beatles. It's what's left, I'm afraid. But we all loved him so much, and we all love Paul very much.
Robert Rodriguez (2:23)
Hello and welcome to episode 293 of Something about the Beatles podcast. This one was recorded a few months back and it's been in the can. I tend to record them in batches and parcel them out one at a time. I don't think there's anything that's changed relevancy since this conversation was recorded, with Glenn Greenberg returning guest and Beatle author. You know him from the previous shows we've done on George and Paul and George and John and I forget what else we've done, but he's been on the show several times, including the now and Then episode, the Epic one five hours long from a year ago. But this was a conversation that we'd been talking about for a while on Paul in the 80s, and originally we were gonna focus on Paul mistakes of the 80s, which is some rich material there. But really like a lot of things, we started out with one intent and it went in a different direction and in fact starts out discussing that memo. I'm posting this on my socials if you haven't seen it yet, I'm sure a lot of people have. With the Mind Games reissue that came out earlier this year, there was that Note from early in 72, reaching out to Paul, written by John, asking him if he'd be interested in doing a benefit show, seeing as how both of them had just done songs, political songs, in response to the Sunday bloody Sunday shooting, January 30, 1972, of a bunch of protesters in Northern Ireland. And they both reacted to it musically. Give Ireland back to the Irish in Sunday Bloody Sunday between Paul and John, respectively. And so he reached out to him, apparently. Now, as we talk about in the show, we don't know if this note ever got to Paul, because apparently the Lenono archives did existed, or maybe they made a copy or something, who knows? But it was included with the Mind Game set. Unless of course, they reached out to Paul. Paul dug it up and let them use it for this. But in any event, it's pretty cool, something we didn't know about before. So that's always good. New data is always really good when trying to discuss these guys and figure out the history properly and all that stuff. Essentially, we're having a conversation. It begins with that. Which isn't obviously 1980s, but that was the primary goal. So we meander all over the place. But it was a fun conversation. It's always good talking with Glenn. So there is that. Now, some of you responded to my note in the last intro to last show, the one with Jeff Martin, about sending an email to satb2010sapi2010 mail, to get on the mailing list. A bunch of people have done that. You've gotten your first beta test emails by now of the SAPI newsletter and response has been quite positive. So I would urge anybody else that's interested in getting on this mailing list, which would be just sharing of information, upcoming events, things that we're gonna be doing on the show or related to the show, things having to do with maybe guests that have got events coming on, coming out, coming up, to coin a phrase. It's just gonna be an information pipeline focusing on people that actually are hardcore enough of listeners that they want to know this stuff. It's gonna go through this direct pipeline to you, rather than me just shotgunning it out there on social media and hoping the right people see it. Because I know from doing this long enough that not everybody sees everything that gets put out. So there is that. So another thing, by way of announcements I wanted to bring to the attention of you, the listener that is not Sat B directly related. So it's not going to be in the newsletter, but I'm just going to mention this in passing on the show. As you guys know, we connected with the Evergreen Podcast Network earlier this year as a way to get the SATI audience broadened by people listening to other podcasts that are out there in this network. And it works both ways because I've been listening to some of their offerings. There's a particular show I wanted to bring your attention to right now for anybody that's into true crime or cold cases, there's a show called Crime Capsule and there's a new episode out with Jane Ann Terzillo, who's an author interview with her on Northern Ohio Cold Cases, specifically about a couple of murders that took place a while back. The disappearance of Police Chief Mel Wylie and then the tragic death of another police officer, Robert Hamrick. Now, Jane Ann is a local, so she brings to the table this discussion of how having the familiar of the people in the places that you write about adds a layer of depth to the storytelling and this is one that she has personal connections to and with. Working within this historical context makes the work that much more rich. Writing what you know about and having connections to the locale involved, it's full of emotion and complexity. It's definitely in a sense a cautionary tale about the power of misinformation and the importance of seeking the truth amidst the noise. Something that I think we would all benefit from in the age we are living in. Just wanted to bring that to your attention. Crime Capsule episode Northern Ohio Cold Cases an interview with Jane Ann Terzillo oh, and one more note I wanted to add is regarding what you hear at the very end of the show, which is a couple excerpts from this taped meeting held apparently at mpl. Or at least it's Paul Linda in the company of John and Lee Eastman, their attorneys and sort of de facto managers. It's something that's been come to find out. At the time Glenn and I had our conversation we didn't know a whole lot about the provenance of it. I've done a bit of research since that time, found out that it's been in public circulation at least since 2000 quarter century. Based on my own research. There is repeated references to a December 1 meeting that took place between the 3X Beatles and Yoko at the Dorchester in London, coming on the heels of their discovering that Paul had in re signing with emi. Whoever did the negotiating accepted the offer to where among the 3x Beatles in their estate would be getting a larger cut on Beetle product in royalties. And it should be noted that this was not at the expense of the other three. It was coming out of EMI Parlophone Capital's share of the profits. So they were losing nothing on this. But this was. Something was put on the table for him to resign with Capital after being with CBS Columbia for a period of a few years from the late 70s through about 1984. So whatever it was in any event. So that was part of the deal that got sweetened on his behalf. And in re signing with EMI Capital Parlophone he got that boost in his Beatle era product royalties which they found about out about. And so they had a meeting convened in London that Yoko flew over for and it was George, Ringo and Paul. And that was at the Dorchester December 1st. So that meeting must have been fairly fresh at the time this lawyer conversation was taped. Paul does make a reference to something in the news, which is EMI was attempting to buy British Aerospace. And I saw that that was in the news at least through the spring of 1984. So this meeting could be at any point between December and May at least, but that seems to target it. So the Rock and Roll hall of Fame episode when the Beatles were inducted as a group that Paul did not show up for that was in 1988. What you hear over and over again is talk of equalization, which means basically getting Lennon's estate and George and Ringo to match what Paul was getting as well as overrides and promotion fees. Just a fascinating, fascinating conversation that for whatever reason was taped and they knew it because Linda mentions it at one point and they proceed anyway. So I don't know why it was taped and how it got leaked, but there it is. And it's one more fascinating piece of the puzzle. We know of so many meetings that took place, including the famous 44421 and other stuff going on throughout 1969 with Klein, with the Eastmans and all that stuff. When you actually hear their private interactions, it adds so much more to our understanding of what went on. So it's great to have this. Who knows if there's more out there we haven't heard yet. But anyway, we touch on it late in the conversation. Beyond that, we've got a 300th episode coming up, more or less. That's something also that we are planning now. There was a longtime listener friend of the show who had a really good idea of how to put together a 300 satby episode which would involve Input from you, the listener. So again, that's the conversation we will have through the newsletter. So anybody interested at all in being part of that, then that's the place to be. I guess that's about it. I would just point out further that this conversation begins with our discussing that 1972 John letter to Paul. This thing had been making the rounds, that letter written by John to Paul, trying to get him interested in doing this benefit, apparently. Right. And it's early in 72 and it's revelatory in that nobody knew about this. Now, like you and I had talked, I had known that he was trying to interest Paul in playing the one to one show in August, which was months later.