When Glennon Doyle was diagnosed with anorexia in her 40s, her wife Abby was grieving the sudden death of her brother, and her sister Amanda had just been diagnosed with breast cancer. It was a year that brought all three of them to their knees — and became the unlikely foundation for their new book, We Can Do Hard Things. In this episode, Glennon opens up about what it means to keep showing up when the people you usually rely on are struggling, too.

We talk about the power of friendship, the myth of having it all together, and the moment Glennon stopped hiding her illness — even on the red carpet. She reflects on visibility, activism, and why the most honest people often feel like the biggest messes. And for the first time, Glennon reveals how she felt when she saw Ivanka Trump holding a copy of her book Untamed in an Instagram post. Raw, wise and unexpectedly funny – just like this conversation is a reminder that none of us are doing this alone.

Glennon’s new book We Can Do Hard Things is available here.

Watch the full episode with Glennon here.

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