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Tiffany Reese (2:26)

I'm Tiffany Reese and this is Something.

Edward Ma (2:30)

Was wrong.

Megan Stoner (2:33)

You they can know me. You don't know me well.

Tom Smith (2:45)

At all.

Megan Stoner (2:47)

At all, at all, at all.

Tom Smith (2:52)

You.

Megan Stoner (2:56)

Think you know me.

Tom Smith (2:59)

You don't know me.

Tiffany Reese (3:17)

Today is Saturday, November 9, 2024. I just returned home last night from Indiana. Last week I met with the Indiana State Police to present the evidence and testimony we've collected thus far this season. It all went really well. That's really all I can share for now, but I wanted to say thank you so much to the community members both in Indiana and beyond who have been instrumental in this effort, helping to catalog, collect and document her crimes and the harm caused over the past years and decades. For some that they've been following Megan Stoner's crimes At the time of recording this Megan Stoner is set to be released from the Hamilton county jail this Friday, November 15, 2024. And we haven't even gotten through all of the crimes and harm that Megan Stoner has perpetuated since the season 22 trailer dropped. I have learned of many other victims of Stoners all across the United States and Canada. Maybe elsewhere too. Who knows what we'll discover by the end. I've spoken to many survivors and allies involved with this case, both on and off the record. I'm thankful to all of them. Not all feel comfortable being on the podcast, but still want to help with our investigation. But before we get into the next chapter of this story, how a group of citizens came together to help bring a second wave of justice for Megan Stoner's victims, I think now would be a really great time to recap what we know about Stoner's crimes leading up to the community stings of 2023. Here's what we know Megan Elizabeth Stoner was born February 28, 1998 to Gail Ann Updograph and Dennis Lee Stoner. The two never married, though they were together for a long time. Stoner's aunt's name is Linda Sue. Update and Stoner would later in 2017 steal over $20,000 from her aunt Linda on credit cards that she took out in her aunt's name without her consent. This matter went to civil court and Megan and her aunt Linda didn't speak for several years. Because of this, I'm told Megan has a half sister named Elena J. Stoner. She's approximately 48 years old, and since Megan Stoner is only 26 years old, I'm told that they grew up very separately for the most part. I'm also told they don't get along. We know that Stoner started getting involved in politics, or at least posting and doing interviews about her involvement in politics in Indiana around 2014. She did some interviews on some smaller YouTube shows, like this one from San Whitfield on February 18, 2014.

Ann (5:56)

As I've gotten more involved in the last few years, I've gotten hate mail. I get hate mail mostly every day now. I get it through Twitter, I get it through Facebook, I get it on my own email, I've gotten it in my house even, and I've had a lot of even, like vandalism Done to my election signs and election years. And I just learned that the names just bounce off you eventually. And I never got any death threats. Everything's been anonymous. Even the letters I've got in my own mailbox, They've been hand delivered. I can tell.

Tiffany Reese (6:25)

And here's another interview she gave March 4, 2014, on the Jeff and Allen show, talking about her experience in politics.

Ann (6:33)

I think the biggest one is that debt cannot be a habit. You cannot constantly be in high debt. High debt ruins economic potential, private investment, and it jeopardizes the future generations. So I think the biggest issue would be don't go in debt, whether you're running the nation or you're just a business.

Tiffany Reese (6:54)

I've been told that when stoner was around 14 or 15, her parents hired a man named Dustin Beth, who was essentially a political consultant for her. They would meet, and he would help and coach Megan in the political sphere on everything from outfits to interviews. Eventually, Stoner's parents stopped making payments to Dustin. And I'm told that Dustin Beth later learned that Stoner was being investigated because of the financial theft against her aunt Linda. Eventually, he cut off contact from her, and I believe she still owed him money at the end of that relationship. We're told that when Stoner was 15 to 16 years old, she and her parents were spoken to by police for falsely accusing two of her church pastors. She had texted a member of their congregation saying that the pastors had texted Stoner and invited her to come over to their house and watch him and his wife engage in sexual activity. The pastors immediately went to police, and according to one of the pastors who gave an interview on a Facebook live show called Forensic foreplay, Pastor Michael Anderson stated that the officer that interviewed Stoner said that she displayed behavior of a sociopath as she showed a lack of remorse and empathy.

Isaiah (8:13)

The chief of police called her parents immediately and said, listen, you need to come down to the police station with Megan, and we need to address an issue. Megan denied it. She said, no, I never said that. None of those things ever happened. I never even. I never said that. And we said, here's the proof that you said it. It's right here. You said this. And at that point, she still. She still denied it, that she had ever said it, you know, And I even said, you know, you could really hurt someone's reputation, their integrity. You know, this could be something terrible for someone. You have to be very careful what you say. I don't know what kind of fantasy world you live in, but you, you cannot say things like this.

Tiffany Reese (8:57)

She tried to convince her longtime friend Faith Burnside, whom we heard from in episode two, that she was a victim involved in an Indiana based sex trafficking ring similar to the Pizzagate conspiracy. Stoner claimed that attorney generals, senators and the governor of Indiana were all sexually assaulting her daily. Stoner told Faith that she gave some of these men her phone number and they began texting Megan violent and sexually explicit messages that she showed to Faith Burnside. Faith Burnside then herself began getting texts from these quote, politicians ranging from Donald, Donald Trump to Mike Pence to Brian Bosma. We're told that Stoner was a mentee of a local house representative, Kurt Knisley. He took her under his wing when she was in high school, trying to encourage her as she was a young person interested in politics. And sometimes that can feel like a rare thing. Within a few months of meeting with Knisley, Stoner allegedly began telling him about sexual assault allegations against then Indiana House Speaker Brian Bosma. Over the years, Megan Stoner made many claims about her political resume, though many now assume that these were false claims. And on the confession call that we heard on episode four with Chloe and Stoner, Stoner admits that she never had a paid position for any politician or political group and was only a volunteer. And quite frankly, she was fired quickly after volunteering because she was forging the data. We heard from women who were in the Facebook group called the Spice Girls how Stoner allegedly posted tragic personal information for attention in the Facebook group, which ultimately led to her being removed. Stoner posted stories such as fake stalking, stories perpetuated by medical professionals, local politicians, pastors, political figures, deaths of loved ones or loved ones being shot, sometimes from suicide, sexual assault, claiming to be run off the road by members of Itown church, claiming that members of Itown are sending her sex toys and harassing her. Claiming that journalists from the indie star were harassing her, claiming that doctors and therapists had sexually assaulted her and were stalking her. That she was tied up by another one of Brian Bosma's victims and held at gunpoint with Brian Bosma, and that allegedly took place in 2018. Many have alleged that Megan Stoner had a fake boyfriend named Jake. A local politico named Mike Neal, who was also a part of the Megan Stoner scam awareness Facebook group, tweeted, I can add to the Megan Stoner boyfriend story. On Thursday, November 9, 2017, I was staffing an event for then Vice president Mike Pence at TKO Graphics in Plainfield, Indiana. I was outside Speaking to a few friends who were in line to go through security and get in, Megan had somehow gotten a ticket to the event. Pence would be joining the governor and other officials for a roundtable on business tax cuts. Because the parking lot was so close to the building, the U.S. secret Service was searching every car that was parked. Megan Parks gets in line and shouts to me loudly, hey Mike, my boyfriend is on his way and he has a gun in his car. Can he still get in here? My jaw dropped. I assumed the Secret Service was about to take her down like a calf at a rodeo, but lucky for her, they didn't hear. I told her, don't say anything like that around here ever again. I should have told Service. She said that, but I didn't. Of course, the boyfriend never materialized at the event. End quote. I'm told by a woman who met Stoner through the Spice Girls Facebook group that had texted quite a bit with Stoner that she had been told by Stoner that Brian Bosma wanted Megan to sign an NDA for his alleged sexual assault. The woman reviewed the NDA and felt it had been fabricated. She then searched some of the text from the alleged NDA and found that it came from a Google resource website. On October 26, 2018, there was a judgment in civil court. According to my case, it was ruled that Stoner owed her aunt Linda $25,152.94 and as of today, she still owes $20,592.94. On December 11, 2020, according to a Fisher's Police incident report, a local chiropractor called Fisher's PD about his clients who was Megan Stoner impersonating political figures over text? He alleged that these figures included Eric Holcomb, Mike Pence, Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr. Eric Trump, Steve Munchin, Rudy Giuliani, Chad Wolf, Mark Meadows, and even a Secret Service agent. Stoner went on to later file a HIPAA complaint against the chiropractor for reporting to the police about his concerns with Stoner and her claims that she knew all these politicians and that they had been texting him. That chiropractor ended up winning and it was proven that Stoner's claim against him was not valid. Please note, at the time of this episode's airing, I have been unable to reach Brian Bosma, Eric Holcomb or Mike pence for comment. February 15, 2021. Stoner's then roommate Abby Espy called Fisher's Police Department regarding Stoner allegedly biting her on the hand, causing her to Bleed. Abby Espy has not responded to our request for comment. It's alleged that In March of 2021, Stoner defrauded the Small Business Administration by obtaining a PPP loan while the program was in effect. In the Fisher's police reports from 2021, Stoner also called the Fishers PD several times saying that she smelled marijuana from her neighbors and that it was making her physically ill. During August of 2021, there were several Fishers Police Department incident reports between Megan Stoner's then roommate Abby Espy and Stoner making different allegations about physical disturbances or leaving the property, taking things that belong to the other person. It looks like their relationship got very volatile towards the end. It's alleged that in 2021, after Abby had moved out and was subleasing her portion of the apartment, Stoner then began doing things that were not in alignment with their lease, such as renting out Abby's room as an Airbnb or the rental scam. September of 2021, the Fishers Police were investigating Stoner for trying to sublease a unit in the District of Saxony apartment complex. A woman told police that she paid Stoner $1700 but never received a key to the apartment. The woman was paid back a month later due to Stoner's alleged rental scheme, which she perpetuated to multiple victims. In 2021, one of the victims was scammed out of $1,800, which led to her homelessness. I'm told that the last time Abby and Megan Stoner were in the same room and saw each other was during a civil court case between the two of them. We've heard from Sandy Rusk that from December 2021 to April 2022, Stoner was making a lot of claims about I Town Church. Stoner told Sandy many lies about her life and her relationship with I Town. The most impactful and painful lie that she told Sandy was that her daughter was in trouble. And when Sandy figured this out, she cut off contact with Megan after many months of assuming that Megan was lying.

Seth (17:18)

Hi, this is Ann and I worked at Itown Church during the years that Megan Stoner was involved. I worked at Itown for I think six or seven years. So I think she started attending in around the pandemic time, or at least that's when we all kind of caught wind of who she was. She tried to get pretty involved. Like she joined a lot of small groups before the podcast and before she got all mad about things. One thing that put her on my radar, I was in the. Working in the missions department. And it was a little before Christmas. We partner with DCS and do this thing where, you know, people in the church can buy Christmas presents for kids, and then the parents come pick up the gifts. So they have gifts to give their kids on Christmas. You know, it's a massive church, so we had like 700 families that we were buying gifts for. So I was orchestrating all the details of that and like, people from the church signing up to give gifts to the children. And we assumed that there'd be some people that would sign up for a child and then forget that they did or not bring in their presents in time. We maybe would have to go out and buy a couple presents last minute that didn't get turned in. But there was a really large amount of kids who, in the organizational system, all their names were next to each other. And it was like 12 or something, but it was a pretty big amount of kids all next to each other on the signup sheet that didn't get turned back in. And we looked and we were like, megan stoner signed up to buy gifts for like, all these kids. And most families signed up for like one or two children. And then we realized she came into the office and dropped off the bag from old Navy with like 6 clearance T shirts and was like, hey, I signed up for a bunch of kids. But like, this is all I could afford. So here you go. We were just like, this is so weird, because what's the point of signing up to get Christmas presents for children and them not following through. By that point, she had kind of had a reputation on the staff for just being a little off. So we were like, okay, another weird Megan Stoner thing. We'll just go out and buy these kids Christmas presents with the church credit card.

Tiffany Reese (19:17)

In December of 2021, three of Stoner's rental scam victims contacted the Fisher's police department and told police that they were victims of fraud involving a rental home that was advertised on Facebook. Each person had signed an individual lease and paid at least $600 to secure the home after stoner gave them a tour of it. From December 12, 2021 to March 28, 2022, Stoner and her co host Isaiah, created the sinking arc podcast, which was about the alleged scandals of arc churches, specifically the itown church, which has several campuses around Indianapolis. Were told that Stoner mainly attended the campus in Fishers, indiana. On her podcast, Stoner shared hers and other people's experiences with itown church and with ARC. On January 7, 2022, Stoner called Fisher's PD about a disturbance stating that a person was beating on her car window and told her that she caused a seven car pile up due to her dangerous driving. I've been told by many who drove with Megan in the car or have heard about her driving that she is a scary driver and many have suggested that she has no place driving at all. You will see on her record several speeding tickets and obviously the OWI that we've spoken about previously on the season. In fact, she was charged with speeding infractions on January 16, February 10 and February 12 of 2022 alone. And then on February 28, 2022 Stoner was arrested and charged with operating a vehicle while intoxicated. As we heard in episode three. According to investigative reporter Julie Roy's On March 3, 2022, Pastor Jeff Thompson contacted her to inform her that Megan Stoner said there was a murder for hire plot against the three of them. It was later determined by Pastor Jeff Thompson that Megan was lying and he contacted Julie Royce to let her know that the murder for hire plot was in fact a hoax created by Megan Stoner. Pastor Jeff Thompson made a statement to his congregation regarding Stoner's credibility. In the statement he shared that he communicated with Stoner for a few weeks after meeting her on the All About Cough subreddit. Quickly, the conversations with Stoner seemed bizarre, including her attempt to impersonate pastors from ARC and the Governor of Indiana, Eric Holcomb through fake phone numbers and fabricated screenshots. In March of 2022 during Stoner's controversy with itown and her father's alleged approaching death. Online, Stoner claimed that a member of Itown church shot her mom Gail. It has later been confirmed that her mom had not been shot and that Stoner made up the whole story, which she admitted in a recording with Chloe which we heard in Episode four that was made up for attention. We're told by several sources that Stoner lied about her parents being dead before they actually were. Her dad did die on April 3, 2022 and after his death it's alleged that Stoner had used her dad's likeness to drive For Lyft on April 4, 2022, Stoner is charged with disregarding a stop sign. On April 14, 2022, Stoner was charged with improper headlights and a speeding infraction. On July 1, 2022, according to a Fishers Police Department incident report, Stoner called the Fishers PD about a road rage incident between her and a, quote, white male in A silver pickup. Stoner alleged that she honked her car horn at the man who got out of his truck, walked towards her car, grabbed her phone and dropped it on the ground. Stoner allegedly recorded this exchange on her phone. Summer of 2022, Stoner was allegedly a teacher at a school for only a few days. However, many reported that she posted an Amazon WishList with around 200 items to social media and sent through DMS and wrote a substack article urging people to donate. When I asked Megan about why she only worked at the school for two days, she told me that she had been bullied by the students, that one of the students had made a TikTok about her, and that she decided not to go back. However, I have not been able to confirm this information. Something that really stands out to me when I look at the bird's eye view of Megan's behavior is that she really impacted her community in many ways. If you pull up her name on the mycaseindiana.gov website, there's many small civil cases against Megan for hiring people to do work and then not paying them or writing people bad checks. Many different ways that she impacted her local community. We will hear from some of those members of the community who were scammed by Megan or taken advantage of or promised funds for work that they were never paid. And many of those victims that had experienced Megan heard about the Megan Stoner Scams Awareness group and started sharing their stories online. So then people really started to get a better idea of how much of a parasite Megan had been to their community. And I think it really fueled the fire between the community members and made people want to follow her and make sure that justice could be found not only for the people in the group, but for what's suspected to be many others that we don't even know about yet.

Edward Ma (24:58)

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Tiffany Reese (27:41)

Someone that you're going to hear from.

Edward Ma (27:43)

His name is Edward Ma.

Tiffany Reese (27:44)

In 2022, he was a victim of Stoner's he first met Stoner through the Twitter mental health space and the two became friends and he even had come to Indiana and hung out with her before, although he noted her very poor driving skills. When they rode in the car together.

Harry Friedman (28:00)

We just started talking and then mentioned, I know we were talking on the phone and then she said all this other stuff about her being like a political consultant and all this big meeting that she goes to and I didn't think too much of it. I'm like, okay, yeah, okay, that's really cool.

Tiffany Reese (28:14)

Whatever he had expressed to Megan through their friendship, he was unhappy with his Living situation. And Stoner allegedly put him in contact with governor of Indiana Eric Holcomb. And Edward began texting back and forth, with whom he was told was Governor Eric Holcomb, who had reached out to Edward, saying that because Edward was a friend of Megan's, essentially like, I'm happy to help you.

Harry Friedman (28:39)

When I was struggling to like find a place to live on my own, that's when she really dug in, so to speak, to really try to get more money out of me, promising that Eric would give me a place to live. I was struggling because I had to move back to my parents, which is to me one of the worst thing ever. It's like, oh, Eric will help you with this, but he wanted you to have some skiing in the game if he wanted to get you a place to live. I'm like, oh, okay. I mean, that, that makes sense to me. But then eventually he comes to the point where he just keep asking for money. And then she pretend to be one of his lawyers to be like, oh, we're gonna charge you legal action. And I'm like, well, technically we don't have any written agreement, so you can't really do shit. I'm like, well, I'm not doing this anymore.

Tiffany Reese (29:21)

Stoner pretended to be many political figures while talking with Edward, and she also had a neighbor contact him. Edward eventually paid stoner about $5,000 for a place to live.

Harry Friedman (29:33)

There was a lot of, a lot of manipulation on her part to make her sound like she's this high level political consultants because she would pretend to be Eric Holcomb and then later on she'll pretend to be Mike Pence, also Donald Trump for a little bit, Donald Trump Jr. For a little bit. And also I think my parents, brother Greg Pence were a little bit too. I'm just like, okay, I know all these people. They're my friend. I'm going to have a dinner with my pencil tonight. When I told Eric I'm not going to give him any more money, she pretended to be his lawyer to friend in legal action. That was the line where I'm like, okay, I'm done now. I'm not going to deal with this person anymore. One of my really good friends on Twitter, she mentioned that I should talk to local law enforcement. I'm like, I'm like, I could, but this could be international.

Tiffany Reese (30:21)

It's important to note that part of the reason that Edward was more hesitant about going to police regarding the $5,000 that Megan Stoner had taken from him is because he was located In Canada at the time.

Harry Friedman (30:34)

It's gonna be a mess. I don't have money to pay for a lawyer. Even if you go for court, I'm not gonna get my money back. I can either just be like, you know, lesson learned. I lost five grand. It sucks. I'd be more frugal and save my money back again. And the only thing I can do is talk about it. So I started talking on Twitter about it. I'll tell everybody what she did because at this point I feel like if I could help, there'll be no more lunch victim the better so that people know that, oh no, like we cannot deal with Megan Stone. I feel like with all that that has been out there about Megan, they're probably gonna find out a lot more about her character and how she manipulates people just to get whatever she wants. And there's a good chance that when she out Jill in 29 days, she's gonna get way back to it. I think like four or five months ago when she got out in the community corrections, she started back on Twitter like right away. And then somebody reported her and then she went back to jail. She can't be trusted. She just keep doing what she does.

Tiffany Reese (31:37)

On December 7, 2022, Stoner was charged with a civil collections case from Bulldogs Moving Company llc. I spoke with Seth of Bulldogs Moving Company about his experience.

Megan Stoner (31:52)

I co own it with a buddy of mine. We're the two owners and pretty much just manage everything from there. We started back in 2021, so it was pretty early into us actually having the business that Megan reached out to use us. It was weird. It was on a property, but it was like a side house. So it wasn't the main house on the property, but it was kind of like a guest house and it had like a little detached garage. I think she had mentioned something about potentially owning both of those at the time. But we later found out that she was just renting the house and then she moved into like a tri level condo type of place where she also said that she owned it and later found out that she didn't own it. I believe she was just renting both of them out. The move itself, it was fine. She had reached out the same week and then she wanted to move on Saturday. We already had two jobs booked for that Saturday, but we had two separate crews knocking those out. And then we all met up at Megan's house in the afternoon. We had like two trucks and six guys and she ended up wanting packing, moving and unpacking. So we ended up bringing a bunch of boxes and stuff to get her house packed up. And upon meeting her at the beginning of that, do a kind of a quick walk through. And there's nothing like crazy about it. All of her stuff was pretty nice. It wasn't super expensive, but it definitely wasn't used or cheap or anything like, it was still some decently nice stuff. And she had pictures of her in politics and pictures of her with the state capitol building and a bunch of signs up around her desk that said like, self made woman and stuff like that. So we thought that she was pretty legit. She left after like going through the walkthrough and she just stayed at Starbucks the whole time. So we packed up her whole house. And then once we got everything loaded, they started to get into the evening time. So we drove over to the unload and she was there for the whole unload with us, obviously to tell us like where she wanted things. Once we got there, she was moving into a tri level, which is a mover's nightmare because it like is three full stories of the house. So like all her bedroom stuff, the guest bedroom and her office room all went up to the third floor. And I was kind of the person that was walking her through the whole unload, trying to help her figure out where she wanted stuff set up. And she had her main bedroom, a guest bedroom, an office, you know, a bunch of different rooms of stuff. It wasn't something that you would typically find someone that young to have that much house space and that much furniture. Because we didn't realize how younger she was. We thought she was a little older than us, but when we found out that she was a little bit younger than us, we were like, how does she have all this stuff? And then we saw like all the pictures on the wall of in politics and we're like, oh man, she must be like a big deal. And then saw her social media following and they're like, man, she is kind of a big deal. When we got done loading at her house, she came to do a final walkthrough at the old house. And then she was like, oh yeah, can you guys get my Tesla tires out of the garage? I guess she didn't have her Tesla at the time, but we were like, oh shoot, like she has a Tesla. So we loaded up her tires at the end of the truck and we were like, man, she is legit because she's even got a Tesla. I mean, I don't know anybody younger than us that had a Tesla. She was constantly like, in and out on the phone throughout the time, like, with her mom, talking to her mom and stuff. I think she was just kind of tired at that point in the day. But, I mean, she was fairly pleasant. The crew had a lot of fun. Some of those longer days when you keep the energy high in the crew, it just kind of keeps the morale going, and everybody's super hyped up. And we created a lot of good memories on that move. She handed us the check, and we ended up leaving on good terms, and that was the whole moving process with her.

Tiffany Reese (35:45)

Gotcha. So do you recall about the bad check if it was just bounced, like, the account had insufficient funds, or if it was a check from a closed account?

Megan Stoner (35:58)

Yes, it was a check from a closed account. And when I called her about it, she had said the bank had just recently closed her account because she had insufficient funds. And she was trying to get the money put into the account to be able to pay us, but they had closer account. And so I was like, it's okay if you pay us from, like, another account. And we even offered her to, like, pay with card. And we usually have, like, a processing fee if we're taking card, but we said we'd eat the processing fee, and we'd just be able to use a card. And she just kind of ghosted us from there. So we ended up having to get our lawyers involved to be able to try to get the money. And she wasn't cooperating with the lawyers as much, so they ended up having to go through the court system and whatnot to try to get it figured out that way.

Tiffany Reese (36:46)

So it looks like you guys moved her on or around November 19th of 2022. According to this paperwork, she owed y'all five grand. Is that sound about right?

Megan Stoner (36:57)

Yeah. So that was the number that we had agreed with her to be able to fit her in last minute. That was pretty much actually kind of a lowered amount for how much we did with the packing, the moving, and the unpacking for two full trucks was kind of a good deal for at the end, too.

Tiffany Reese (37:14)

How much of the court process were you a part of?

Megan Stoner (37:17)

We weren't really a part of it Myself or my business partner, like, we just kind of let our lawyers handle all that stuff so they would keep us updated. But we never ended up going to court or actually having to attend anything. I think she even missed actually going to court when she was supposed to, which I think is a reason why the judge ruled in our favor, because she just never even showed up. The my Case record says the times that she failed to show up, I know that our lawyers ended up going, and they said that we could try to garnish things from her, but she didn't really have anything to garnish to her name, so it was kind of worthless to continue trying to, you know, get the money from her.

Tiffany Reese (38:00)

She, like, rescheduled things a bunch. It looks like it didn't end up getting settled until May 23rd of 2023. And we're talking about $5,000. I mean, most attorneys cost at least 300 an hour.

Megan Stoner (38:14)

We used our attorneys to, like, write up our liability waivers that we have all of our customers sign. And it's in there, too, that when they pay up, they have to pay for, like, the attorney fees as well. I think that's how the judge ruled. But I'm pretty positive that she would owe us the money she owes us, plus, like, attorney fees and stuff like that as well.

Tiffany Reese (38:32)

Did you guys end up getting paid back anything to your knowledge?

Megan Stoner (38:37)

No. We only require a $50 deposit on the front end that she paid before the move, so that's the only money that actually cleared since then. I don't think she's made any attempts to pay us. A few months later, we started getting on the Facebook group, and we were just shocked by all these people coming out with stuff that, you know, they've been scammed by Megan. And then we ended up seeing the. Someone posted on the Facebook page, like, a picture of a moving truck at her place that she is moving again. And so I was sitting there. I was like, I can't let this happen again. So I called the other moving company that was moving her that day. He had already taken one truck worth of stuff to a storage unit. They had moved, like, a full truck into her storage unit. And I told him. I was like, hey, ma'am. She used us a few months ago, and she never paid us. And he was like, oh, man. All right, I'll figure out what to do. And I think that's when he decided to, like, put the second truck worth of stuff into his own storage unit. We followed her on Facebook, and we were just shocked at, like, all the other stuff that she did and realized we could have been way worse off. Well, she could have done even more damage to us, especially with, like, all the following she had if she made a bad post about us with all the people that were buying into her stuff. And luckily, you know, the only thing that we were out was the money, which, at the end of the day, wasn't the biggest deal to us. Like, we're not going to spend time wasted over it. But, I mean, we ended up seeing all the other people that have been devastated mentally and emotionally because of her. I think it's like a dopamine hit for her. Every time she lies about something or every time she is successful, it's just another shot of dopamine that makes her crave doing it again and again and again. And it's like at some point she's going to get caught, which obviously she did for some of the things that she's done. I had talked to her a lot during the unload. Like, I talked to her a lot about itown church. I talked to her a lot about Christianity in general. And I was just like, oh, that's another thing about this girl. It's like she's a good, solid, like, Christian girl. Just to figure out that, like, all the damage that she's done, she's talking about being a Christian, but she's doing, like, the exact opposite of what Jesus did. She's hurting people and she's playing it off like she's a sweetheart. She was actually, like, really sweet to us most of the process. But I wish that she would do this work for good. Like, imagine, like, how good she is at scamming people, and she's actually really talented at what she's doing because she's done it to a ton of people without insane repercussions. If she could take all that talent and put it towards actually helping people, how much people would actually love her and, like, enjoy her and give her a platform that's worth standing on. And instead of her having this platform of being someone who abuses and takes advantage of people. It's unfortunate.

Tiffany Reese (41:24)

I was told by a man who spoke with Stoner over Facebook in April of 2023, who produced screenshots of their conversations, that Stoner was also pretending to be a car sales representative. She had four to five phone calls with the man and his wife and had been urging them to send Stoner $2,000. Communication stopped when Stoner was arrested at the end of April. And then on April 25, 2023, Stoner is charged with nine felony charges. Corrupt, business, influence, fraud, theft, fraud, theft, fraud, theft, fraud, theft. On April 26, 2023, there was an order issuing a warrant for Stoner's arrest. And on April 28, 2023, Stoner turned herself in and then posted bail quickly and was released from Hamilton County Sheriff's custody. On May 1, 2023, Stoner attended her hearing virtually and agreed to hire counsel. Something we haven't talked about yet on the podcast is that at some point Stoner began posting on social media about yoni massages. Now, for those that are not familiar, let's break this down now. A yoni massage by definition is a erotic or sensual massage and is a tantric practice that aims to create an intimate connection with one's body. A yoni massage primarily focuses on massaging the labia, clitoris, G spot, breasts and anus, and other erogenous zones, which is illegal in every state but Nevada. And Megan started posting about getting these yoni massages from this guy named Haribo. His real name is Harry Friedman. He lives in New Jersey. He's a younger guy, which was not what I was expecting. I don't know why. I was expecting him to be like a 70 year old hippie from Berkeley Hills, but he was not. I don't know how Stoner and him got in contact, but Stoner basically began paying Haribo for these vagina massages. And it's alleged that he not only would cross state lines from New Jersey to come to Indiana to give her these, but that she would also travel there. She sometimes referred to him as her coach, etc. Later we would find out that the money she was using allegedly over $17,000 that she paid this guy for her happy endings. A lot of it came from her theft victims, some of them who believed they were Stoner's friend and had known her for years. And Stoner went on to con, manipulate, lie, and get that money from people whom trusted her and believed they were helping a friend, which we're going to hear about later from Tom and people like Edward. So basically through 21, 22, 23, Stoner was stealing and scamming as much money as she could get out of people to pay for her Yonis and her Teslas. She also had, over the years started posting about herself as if she had some grandiose importance, talking about things like how flying private has ruined her. She definitely was trying to give people the impression of importance. And I think for some people who were either out of state or less aware of what was going on in Megan's life at this time. They were seeing these pictures with this young girl who says she works in politics. She says she's connected to all of these local politicians, she has pictures with a lot of these people and she did some of these interviews, et cetera. And so I think it especially digitally made Megan look like she was more important than she actually was. That was part of her grift. The Teslas were also part of her grift. I believe many people even noted it. She was driving a Tesla. And Megan often talked about how online, how it made her feel good and it made her feel important to drive it. It's never okay to steal, but to be stealing for Teslas and happy endings is ridiculous. It is so atrocious, especially when people were losing housing, not being able to buy their kids gifts during the holiday season, not to mention the psychological stress of just dealing with Stoner throughout these things, many people reported. And if you review a lot of the text messages between Stoner and her victims, you'll see a pattern of skilled manipulation and a complete lack of boundaries. What appears to be complete unawareness of other people's feelings or considering of other people's feelings. She'll take her lies to the most unimaginable places to be emotionally manipulative, to get what she wants, going as far as making up children and deaths of children just to manipulate people and further her grift.

Tom Smith (46:11)

Hi, I'm Tom Smith. I originally met Megan Stoner as an advocate for people with disabilities. I invited her as a guest speaker to my organization at Indiana University, Bloomington. Megan was extremely charismatic, there's no doubt about it. And she was very open about her struggles with mental health and also her experiences with sexual assault. And that's a subject we had not touched on in our organization before. So I thought by inviting her into the fold, she could touch on a subject that, while very controversial and very triggering for a lot of people, her contribution could create yet another discussion on campus about how such a violent act affects those with disabilities. And we had negotiated the possibility of her speaking at a meeting a few weeks later. She said she was too busy and that she was in Indianapolis and couldn't come down to Bloomington. That was unfortunate because I thought, here's somebody who works in the Indiana State House who's very passionate about mental health, who's very passionate about the people who are forgotten in Indiana and throughout the United States. So I'll admit I was disappointed. But we didn't end that conversation on ill terms. In fact, we grew a lot closer when I moved to Indianapolis to partake in Teach for America. You know, we went to hockey games together. We would grab meals together. We were purely platonic, by the way. I had a girlfriend at this time, so we were just very good friends. And I told my girlfriend about Megan quite a bit. She was cool with it. She didn't really Know Megan, she never met Megan, but she was happy that I had a friend in Indy who I could hang out with at a time where everybody was social distancing, where joy was so hard to come by, where we couldn't just enjoy those little moments of togetherness with friends and family. I'm talking about the COVID 19 pandemic. Megan was there for me and I thought I was there for her. That's what friends do, particularly during difficult situations in the world around them. So that's how we got together and grew closest friends. Then I moved back to Bloomington a year later. So introduced in December 2019. A speaking slot at my disability advocacy group fell through in January of 2020. I moved to Indianapolis for Teach for America in August and we went to hockey games throughout that year up until the last day. I taught in June of 2021. And then I moved back to Bloomington in August of 2021 and we basically drifted apart for a bit of time. Teach for America is an initiative where college graduates are trained in a two week seminar known as Institute and are then placed in classrooms. They can be in charter schools, they can be in private schools, they can be in public schools. And you teach for two years. So you're on a two year contract with the school you choose. In Indiana where I taught, you had to either accept the first offer that a school offered you or if you decline that offer, you would take the second and stick with it. So for me, I took the first one because I wasn't sure what the second option was going to be. It was an interesting year. You know, you're not always prepared for new situations. Nothing is set in stone. And particularly during a worldwide health crisis, it can be very difficult to teach students. And I did the best I could at that time, but it was not easy. And I take accountability for the fact that I struggled and that my students struggled. But I am secure in the fact that it was a learning experience and it made me a stronger person because of it. And having Megan there as a confidant helped. This was before she said she was a teacher. This was when I believe she was still working at the Indiana State House or claimed that she was working at the Indiana State House. I left after one year just because teaching during COVID really burnt me out and I wanted to go back to town where I had participated in a lot of activities. I hope I'd made a difference for the disability community and wanted to pursue an opportunity in communications. And luckily I was able to find that with wfhb Community Radio. When you've lived as long as I have, you begin to see friends and acquaintances as mirrors of your values. So for me, those values are open and honest communication, trust and honesty, and most importantly, commitment. Commitment to promises, and commitment to friendship and closeness. So, of course, seeing Megan as an employee of the Indiana State House and as a leader in her community, I didn't have any reason up to 2023 to think that she had any ill intent at all. So that made the revelation that she wasn't who she said she was particularly painful for me and I'm sure for the community as a whole, because there were probably several people who believed in her. I mean, she ran for county commissioner, I believe a few years before we met. She didn't get many votes, but she got quite a few. So that shows that people did trust her. I trusted her. People just aren't always as they appear. But I think the biggest lesson I learned from this is that you need to vet people very carefully and you need to be aware of what you're going into, whether it be a friendship, whether it be a job, whether it be a decision of great importance. It's important to thoroughly vet your actions. And with Megan, that was not easy, but lesson learned. She would message me from time to time. Texts soliciting money for teaching or for walking in a suicide prevention walk. As somebody who has gotten these texts before, as I'm sure many people have, I took it with a grain of salt. I did not give. I did say in one of the texts, and this was, I believe, December of 2022, maybe October, that, yes, I will donate to your suicide prevention campaign. Ultimately, that didn't come to pass because the link did not work and she gave up on that pretty quickly. And then in January 2023, I'm talking about, she asked for money again. I was at home here in California for New Year's Eve, and I get this text from Megan that she's struggling financially and that she is moving because of her dad. She was struggling financially and she had moved to Pendleton, Indiana. I declined to help at that point because I don't tend to loan money out to people just because that's not really something I do anymore because I was taken advantage of a lot as a kid when it came to money. Megan said, oh, okay, that's fine. And she apologized for it and even emphasized, no, I'm not using you for money. And I said, oh, don't worry about it. No need to apologize. You're one of my close friends. And she said that some friends had taken offense to her even asking. And I said, well, I'm not offended. In fact, I'm honored that you would come to me and communicate with me about this because we're friends. So that was probably the last message I received from her that was authentically Megan, the last one though. And this had to do with her teaching at a quote unquote alternative high school here in Indiana. She asked that people donate to her Amazon wish list, and after I saw what was on the list, I was not convinced that she was teaching. So I did not donate to that either. She had a pair of shoes on the list and I thought, oh, you know, in case a student doesn't have shoes. But then there were explicit books, inappropriate books. And bearing in mind that this was an alternative high school, I just assumed by the word alternative that it could be a school that didn't permit this type of material. Now, that's not to dump on the type of material that she had in her list, but I just didn't think as a former middle school teacher that it was appropriate reading material. So it was very suspicious.

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Tiffany Reese (57:29)

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Tom Smith (57:34)

After July 31, 2022 when she sent that text that seemed as though it came from Artificial intelligence relating to her Amazon wishlist for teaching. I did not follow up with her. We drifted apart. We just didn't really communicate after that. As far as I remember, up until May 6th of 2023, we hadn't talked. I hadn't looked her up on Twitter, I hadn't followed her on Facebook. Obviously we were friends on Facebook at that time. But I really didn't pay her any attention. I was busy with my own stuff at the time and my grandpa had just passed away. There wasn't time to even think about what Megan was doing at the time. May 6, I got a number of random texts throughout the day saying, I'm in a crisis, I need help. It's not mental health. I said, oh, what's up? She says, oh, I'm at a. I'm at a low point in my life. I need money for Bailey. Yeah, I wish I was lying. So me being very surprised, considering this is a former government employee and now whom I presume to be a teacher, I say, okay, explain what is going on. She says, their charges from three years ago, 2021, I have a friend that can pay you back. They're an elected official and just don't want their name traced back to the bond. So if I have the money, I'll pay the bondsman. And my mom is co signing the bond. I don't answer her throughout the rest of the day. And around 1 o'clock the next day, this is May 7, she says, can you please help me? I can't sit in jail. So she's ramping it up. She's very panicked. And then on May 8, she says, I can pay you on Friday. I said, hmm, just not normally one to loan out cash. How much are we talking about? She says, 500. And then she said she was happy to meet in person, as it turns out. She then explains that the charges were from a moving company, that she couldn't pay them. And I said, well, I can't really help you right now. I'm working out. And then she said her all too famous phrase, which would become rather infamous in the months to follow. I hear you. Oh, that phrase irritated me so many times because I knew she didn't hear me several times and she didn't hear the people she impacted. She said, I need to turn myself in. I really need help. I don't want to sit in jail. I won't have access to my phone. I can pay back Friday. So she's pleading at this point and I said, hmm, I might let me know who it is. Of course I'd be willing to help, but I have to be sure. And she says, oh, well, when will you be for sure? I'm really in a tight crunch. I need to turn myself in. I would never pressure anybody, but I have to get the money together. And I said, okay, how about Tuesday afternoon? And the deadline for payback is Friday at noon sharp. And she said she couldn't wait till the next day. I said, I hate to do this, but I have to charge interest because of my past experiences with loaning money out to people. And so she agreed to that. So three days past payback day, I would have just charged her 50 bucks per day the first three days that she didn't pay back. And then I would up the ante to 100. So I thought it was perfectly fair and I said, okay, I'll help you out. And then she asks for the first hundred bucks. At one point she said that she was having trouble with a moving company in the past. And I said, oh, you had trouble with a moving company in the past, right? And she said, no, it's a different company. So that should have raised red flags for me. But at the time I was thinking about, wow, I really got to help this friend here. She would have been one of the last people I would have expected to text me that she was in a legal bind because I thought she was a government leader. I thought she had done all this incredible stuff. I mean, she co sponsored legislation to allow 18 year olds to run for the Indiana State House. It didn't pass. But the fact of the matter is that she tried and I was very impressed with that. This isn't somebody who you think is a criminal or somebody who is going to trick you. This is somebody who has temporarily fallen flat and needs help getting back on their feet. I thought at the time, yeah, this is alarming, but this is somebody who helped me get through one of the hardest years of my life and frankly, one of the hardest years I believe the world has ever faced in the 21st century. I felt that I owed her quite a bit. Looking back at it now, I thought it was pretty stupid that the alarm bells weren't going off, but you can't really change the past. She is texting me all throughout the day Tuesday saying, I need to get this squared away now. For two days I hadn't really said much to her. She immediately, within two days, has started bombarding me with texts. She asks me to download this money app wise. And all this time she keeps telling me I'm really panicked. Oh, I'm so nervous. I open up Wise. She requests the first amount and it didn't work. So then she said, oh, I'm going to run to my mom's. Can you be awake for 20 minutes? And I said, okay, this is weird. It seems like the system is really rigged against you. And then she says, I'm so dirty. Sorry. So me being a big fan of Dateline NBC and Chris Hansen, I replied with, and I'll do my best, Chris Hansen. I'll tell you what's dirty is this situation. She says, well, yes. Hey, I'm almost there. Please don't quit on me. I mean, what is this? Some sort of athletic motivational movie? Like Remember the Titans or Rudy, where it's, oh, please don't quit on me. Bring on the string quartet. I'm at this time saying, oh no, I'm just falling asleep. So a few minutes later she says, I just got here. I'm here if you need me. I'm never ever going to jail again. Lol. So she's convinced that I'm her savior. Then I say, well, just make sure to pay me on time and that promise will be fulfilled, I'm sure. The money I sent to, I presume, the bondsman at that time on Wise, the money was declined. And I said, I'm trying to do everything I can just short of having to drive all the way to jail. Then she says, I could drive to Bloomington and get the cash. I guess I'll have to spend my day doing it tomorrow. I can use Wise. I said, I really need to go to sleep. She begs me to call my bank in the morning and she offers to pay me back extra for the trouble. I'm saying, okay, okay, I'm just cranky from the workout tonight. Give me some time to relax so I can help you out. I said I would do everything I could. And she says, do you have the cash tonight? So again, I already told her, we'll deal with it tomorrow. So she's getting very desperate. At this point she's saying, oh, are you still awake? Are you still awake? It was three in the morning at this point. This is Tuesday, May 9th. The very next night, I'm settling down to go to sleep and I text her, hey, listen, I'm not really one to give cash out. Sorry. So she says, abe, I'm scared. And I said, listen, I'm not comfortable with it. And she said, are you calling the bank when they open? Sorry, I was unclear what the plan was. I said, Listen, my bank says it doesn't loan out to bondsman. It doesn't have listed. I'm going to have to bow out. Now, I know that wasn't exactly true, but at that point, I'm just trying to think of any reason to get out of this situation because we're just going around in circles. She requested the initial deposit for herself, so I'm thinking, oh, she's just going to pay the bondsman. A little bit unorthodox, I suppose. She then says, all right, can you please do Venmo? And you don't even know the name of my bondsman. She says, oh, I have a friend's Venmo. I can help you, please. I'm losing it all. So I'm like, okay, well, what's the Venmo? Now we bring in Curtis. So she then says, al. So that's the first appearance of Curtis, and that occurred on May 9th. She said, oh, let me know when I send it. I send her a screen cap with the subject line, Megan Bond with Curtis's name right there. And I say, all right, money up front, Friday. And she said, yes. So I pressed the button and we were off and running. She initially said it was for the movers, then she said it was for the bondsman. And then she gave me Curtis's Venmo. And I text her after it went through saying, did it work? And went dead silent. So not a word from her. May 9th, 2:33 in the afternoon. I say, so apparently you're free. Hey, can Curtis refund me, please? Is it possible that he can pay me back? And Megan's air quote, mom texts me saying, hey, this is Megan's mom. She's still in lockup. I told her, hey. So I sent the money to her friend Venmo Curtis. I just heard from the bondsman that apparently the charges could be dropped. Her mom, again, air quotes, says, hi, the charges have not been dropped. Enterprise has to be paid first. So that's the moving company, Enterprise, and that the bondsman has been paid. Enterprise hasn't. I'm thinking to myself, so how much does Enterprise want? And she gives me another amount, and then she'll be cleared and the bondsman can just have Enterprise run the card directly so you won't have to mess with anything. So I'm saying, all right, now I'm confused. You've just upped it even more than we had before. And I say, all right, can they run the card again? It's May 10th and it's the next day. I Didn't say anything at this point, I'm still processing the previous night. So I'm thinking, should I do it again? I mean, this is a close friend. She then gives me Harry Friedman. I'm just thinking, oh, there's another friend. But why is she not giving me Curtis's info again since Curtis did it before? So her mom says, just put for Megan S. And once again, I send yet another amount, same amount as before. And her mom says, thank you. I'll let you know when Megan is out of jail today. I said, perfect. So the next night, we're on May 11th. Now her mom says, hey, Megan's dealing with a health crisis. She'll be in touch as soon as she can. And I'm like, oh, wow, okay. Has she been freed? Not yet. She had a medical crisis in lockup. Nothing further is said. I decide to leave the situation alone for a little bit, allow her mom to get over this. Allow Megan to get over it. So on the 15th of May, I say, oh, hey, how's Megan? Still waiting. May 22nd, Megan out yet? I don't get a reply until May 29th. At 2:35 in the morning, I'm under the impression that this is Megan's mom and she has Megan's phone. And Megan's mom says, hey, she's been in the hospital. I'm not getting a lot of texts from Megan. I'm not getting a lot of texts from her mom. And I'm thinking at this time, oh, well, they're probably very busy. They're recuperating from what's a really shocking event. I don't text again until around June 8th. And I say, I really need her to pay me back. And her mom says, three days later, no less. No, sorry. She's still in a mental health facility. And I say, well, the problem is that the bond agent isn't processing my card. And I know her situation is really precarious right now, but it's still important that she pays me back. I do hope she feels better. Megan's mom. Hey there. Totally understand. I'll see what I can do to get this taken care of. Please know Megan values you as a friend. This has been a hard season for her for sure. And I know she does. I want the best for her. And she parts the message and she says, I'm sorry about the stupid bond office. So I said, yeah, they're not very reliable. She says, hey, let me get the funds from them and I'll circle back with you. I'm sorry again. On Megan's behalf, But this has been a nightmare. So after not hearing from Megan for some time, I'm already a bit annoyed that this is still going on. This is actually June 14th. Another late night marathon of texts. 1:34 in the morning. Thursday, June 15th. I know you were trying to be a nice friend to Megan. I'm sorry for the runaround. Can you double check you got the number right? And I said, oh, no, it was correct. And she says, oh, okay, I know you're annoyed, but is the number correct? If I was in the country, I would do something, But I'm out of the country and I just have icloud through my MacBook for Megan. So what do I do? I give up the card info. Took a pic front to back. They enter it, it doesn't work. And the person who I presume is her mom at this point says, oh, just so you know, I'm not pulling your leg. I said, oh, here, try again. Same error. This is June 16th. Now, it's one in the morning. When I took the picture initially on June 16th of the card and sent it later that afternoon, Megan's mom says, oh, sorry, it's not working right now. We tried again around 6 and it still didn't work. So it's 9 now on the same Friday, June 16th. So it's already happened three times in the span of two days. It hasn't worked. So on the 17th of June, I say, all right, I'll call the bank and figure it out. And as it turns out, because of strange charges starting to pour in around that time, I said I had to get a new card. Now up to this point, I'm just assuming, oh, it's just a classic case of identity theft. It must have happened at the gas station or something. So I canceled the card and I got the new card. At this point, it's June 22nd when I had to get the new card. Four days later on that Monday, June 26th, take a picture of the card again. Take a picture of the back. I tell the person who I presume is her mom. Some charge was weird. All is good now. June 27th. Still trying to figure things out. No reply from Megan throughout June 27th when I tell her, hey, what's going on? On the 28th, I got yet another card because again, the false charges kept pouring in and my bank kept forgiving them. I've already gone through three cards at this point in the span of a few weeks. June 28, I give out the card again. That card got canceled Again, this is four cards at this point. And now I've got some very strange charges on my checking account and I have no idea where they're coming from. On June 30, Megan's mom presumably says, well, when you get it, maybe don't add it to your Venmo. I can probably refund it, but I'll still need the new card. And that's the last message in the whole month of June. We're getting some strange charges. One of them was from the restaurant Twin Peaks. It's very similar to a Hooters bar in Indianapolis. I have no idea who's spending the money. I just know that it's Doordash from Twin Peaks. There's one from something called iRobot in Massachusetts. Then I get some strange Amazon bills and PayPal bills from some random number called Senebaggle. Never heard of them. Then I get a cash app from a Jasmine in California and then a T mobile charge. So I'm assuming now she was paying for her phone bill, paying for food, all the while masquerading as different people on cash app. Now I don't know how she got the money out of my account, and I don't know how she was able to use the card when all of these cards were frequently canceled. At this point in time, I am on a road trip to Kansas City for a radio broadcasters convention. So we don't talk for a little bit. All of this is going on while I'm at the convention and I'm not taking a lot of notice of it because at that point I'm thinking she's going to pay me back.

Edward Ma (74:28)

Coming up this season on Something was Wrong.

Tom Smith (74:32)

I didn't know anything about a Facebook group until after Mike, Neal and Justin and Alyssa talked to me. They offered me membership in the group. I messaged her and I said, you're a scammer. How could you?

Isaiah (74:48)

I had sent her a text and I said, you know, I'm a reporter and I want to pay you for your life story. This was my way in with her. And we start having these conversations.

Ann (75:00)

Yeah, the prosecutor is not going easy.

Tiffany Reese (75:01)

Because of all the media attention.

Isaiah (75:03)

Yeah, it blew.

Seth (75:04)

It blew up online.

Tiffany Reese (75:06)

I can't do it. You're in jail. I'm sorry. At this point, her rearrest warrant had.

Tom Smith (75:13)

Been out for a while.

Tiffany Reese (75:14)

She hadn't been turned in. She was running from the police. The admin group was running a couple different schemes to catch her that we were not all aware of at the time.

Isaiah (75:25)

Megan agreed to meet me and she's like, I'll come pick you up. Tell me where, tell me when we could do it tonight.

Tiffany Reese (75:35)

Thank you so much for listening.

Edward Ma (75:37)

Something Was Wrong is a Broken Cycle.

Tiffany Reese (75:39)

Media Production created and produced by me, Tiffany Reese. Thank you so much to our associate producers Amy B. Chesler and Lily Rowe. Thank you to our Audio engineer Becca High and our Social Network Media Marketing Manager Lauren Barkman of Luxury Media. Additional thanks to our partners Grant at Wondery, Marissa Travis and our team at wme, Jason and Jennifer at ksco, our cyber security team Darkbox Security, and my lawyer Alan, and to all of you who make our show possible with your support and listenership. Special shout out to Neon Honey and Gabanez for covering our theme song gladrag's original song you Think youk this season. For more music from them, check out the Episode Notes or your favorite streaming app. In the Episode Notes you'll always find content, warnings, sources and resources with links to our websites and social media as well. Thank you so much to every survivor and ally who has trusted us to help share their stories. We are forever grateful. Until next time, stay safe friends. If you like something was wrong, you can listen early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.

Edward Ma (77:08)

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Tiffany Reese (77:11)

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Luke Lamanna (77:16)

You know that after World War II the US government quietly brought former Nazi scientists to America in a covert operation to advance military technology? Or that in the 1950s the US army conducted a secret experiment by releasing bacteria over San Francisco to test how a biological attack might spread without alerting the public. These might sound like conspiracy theories, but they're not. They're well docked documented government operations that have been hidden away in classified files for decades. I'm Luke lamanna, a Marine Corps recon vet and I've always had a thing for digging into the unknown. It's what led me to start my new podcast, Declassified Mysteries. In it I explore hidden truths and reveal some eye opening events like covert experiments and secret operations that those in power tried to keep buried followed redacted declassified mysteries with me, Luke lamanna, on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts to listen ad free. Join Wondery plus in the Wondery App.