SWWP #13 - Shrooms & Trapped In The Closet (feat. Niko Brim)

Summary

Podcast Summary: SWWP #13 - Shrooms & Trapped In The Closet (feat. Niko Brim)

Podcast Information:

• Title: Something Wrong With The Podcast
• Host/Author: Julian Delgado
• Description: A podcast where your intrusive thoughts are said out loud. Every week Julian discusses ‘something wrong with the culture’ while also being your hilarious unlicensed therapist. Wanna be a part of the show? Call 877-557-SWWP to leave a voicemail and get some advice.
• Episode: SWWP #13 - Shrooms & Trapped In The Closet (feat. Niko Brim)
• Release Date: April 15, 2025

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1. Introduction and Connection (00:00 - 02:26)

The episode kicks off with a lighthearted technical mishap as Julian inadvertently hits the wrong button, leading to some playful banter with guest Niko Brim. They reminisce about their recent meeting at Dream Build Fest, where Julian was approached by Lake and Drama who praised his artistic endeavors. This interaction led to Julian's introduction to Niko, setting the stage for their engaging conversation.

Notable Quotes:

• Julian (00:15): "We're on, yo."
• Niko Brim (02:26): "Any artists that they shout out."

2. Dreamville Fest and Community Vibes (02:26 - 05:49)

Julian and Niko delve into the essence of Dreamville Fest, highlighting its familial and inclusive atmosphere. They praise J. Cole’s remarks about the festival being akin to a proper Black cookout, emphasizing the sense of community and opportunity it creates for artists to connect and grow. The conversation underscores the uniqueness of Dreamville in fostering a supportive environment for diverse talents.

Notable Quotes:

• Julian (02:26): "It's like a backyard hangout."
• Niko Brim (03:13): "Everybody's here for all of these artists."

3. Ludacris: Balancing Rap and Acting (05:49 - 07:16)

The discussion shifts to Ludacris (referred to as Luda), where both hosts commend his enduring presence in rap despite his successful acting career. They express admiration for his consistent bangers and technical prowess, lamenting that his acting overshadowed his rap contributions. This segment celebrates Ludacris as a pioneer who remains relevant in both industries.

Notable Quotes:

• Julian (05:49): "Luda's a fucking missile."
• Niko Brim (07:16): "He stayed on the chart."

4. State of Hip-Hop: Authenticity and Gatekeeping (07:16 - 15:31)

Julian and Niko engage in a deep dive into the current landscape of hip-hop, discussing the balance between authenticity and the commodification of the genre. They critique the ease of entry in the digital era, expressing frustration over artists treating hip-hop as a quick fix rather than a genuine art form. The conversation touches on the importance of maintaining integrity and the challenges posed by streaming platforms and social media in preserving the essence of hip-hop.

Notable Quotes:

• Niko Brim (08:20): "I never saw him."
• Julian (15:31): "You are here to make music."

5. Voicemails: Relationship Woes and Mental Health (15:31 - 103:14)

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to voicemails from listeners seeking advice on personal and relationship issues. The first caller, Colin, shares a tumultuous history of marriages, infidelity, and domestic violence, leading to significant emotional trauma and anxiety about trusting new relationships.

Advice Highlights:

• Niko Brim (100:40): "You just have to work through it. Maybe get like a therapist or something."
• Julian (105:23): "Seek therapy. Be vocal with your current girl."

In each voicemail segment, Julian and Niko provide empathetic and practical advice, encouraging listeners to seek professional help, communicate openly with their partners, and focus on self-improvement to break negative cycles.

Notable Quotes:

• Julian (84:35): "Let me just backtrack for one."
• Niko Brim (100:46): "Start this new chapter of your life with new energy."

6. Discussion on Influential Artists and Legacy (103:14 - 112:35)

The hosts continue their conversation on hip-hop by evaluating the influence and legacy of various artists. They debate the merits of Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, Chance the Rapper, and others, discussing how these artists shape the genre and impact upcoming talents. The dialogue explores the fine line between innovation and imitation, emphasizing the importance of preserving lyrical integrity and artistic vision.

Notable Quotes:

• Niko Brim (104:03): "You need a hardcore reset."
• Julian (114:54): "That's the Kobe mentality."

7. Closing Remarks and Future Plans (112:35 - 116:25)

As the episode winds down, Julian and Niko reflect on their discussions, expressing mutual respect and camaraderie. They humorously consider making the voicemail advice a regular segment and hint at future collaborative live streams. The closing moments are characterized by their trademark humor and genuine connection, leaving listeners with a sense of both entertainment and contemplation.

Notable Quotes:

• Julian (115:28): "I'm a Notorious Eminem hater."
• Niko Brim (116:25): "Yeah, this was awesome."

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Conclusion:

Episode 13 of "Something Wrong With The Podcast" features an in-depth and multifaceted conversation between Julian Delgado and Niko Brim. Covering topics from the communal spirit of Dreamville Fest to the intricate dynamics of personal relationships and the evolving state of hip-hop, the episode offers listeners a rich blend of insights, humor, and heartfelt advice. Notable moments include their candid discussions about influential artists, the challenges of maintaining authenticity in the digital age, and the profound support provided during the voicemail advice segment. This episode not only entertains but also provides valuable perspectives for those navigating similar cultural and personal landscapes.

Key Takeaways:

• Community and Inclusivity: Dreamville Fest serves as a model for fostering a supportive and inclusive environment for artists.
• Authenticity in Hip-Hop: Maintaining genuine artistry amidst the pressures of commercialization and digital trends is crucial.
• Personal Growth and Healing: Addressing past traumas through therapy and open communication is essential for building healthy relationships.
• Legacy and Influence: Celebrating and critically evaluating the contributions of influential artists shapes the future of hip-hop.

End of Summary

Transcript

[Nico Brim]

Performed at that stage that he ended up performing because, you know, you. Oh, you weren't recording.

[Julian]

I hit the wrong button.

[Nico Brim]

You weren't recording.

[Julian]

I hit the wrong button. We're on, yo.

[Nico Brim]

No, no, you gotta hold that L, bro. I'm not even gonna lie.

[Julian]

Well, let's recreate this as best we can. All right, Nico, we met like 72 hours ago.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Facts.

[Julian]

In a few hours after what we just filmed and lost. But we met at Dream Build Fest. And while. While I was there, I was just. I was reiterating. Lake and Drama had come up to me. I just got into the Artist Village just off my flight, and they'd found me in the. At the little bar area and said, hey, man, like the following. What you've been doing, like, proud of you. We're actually here right now with Kai Cash. Kai Cash. And he just did a set with another cat from New York, Nico Brim. Like, they're. They're great. Like, would love to have you, you know, check them out and see what you feel. And I was like, yo, if you guys are co signing them, I know they're good for it because they. Those guys know great artists.

[Nico Brim]

100.

[Julian]

Any artists that. That they shout out.

[Nico Brim]

Lake man. And everybody over at Gen now, Willie Joe Royce, the good people over there, definitely.

[Julian]

So then that moment happens, and then maybe 10 minutes later, I get up and then you come up to me and I didn't know you at the time, and you said, hey, you that pussy guy or there's something wrong with the pussy guy? And I was like, damn. I mean, yes. But so that. So that moment happens and then. And now here we are.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. And here we are. Yeah, I'm with the pussy guy.

[Julian]

We made it back in New York. So we were saying briefly, like, Dreamville. What I love about Dreamville is the fact that it's a very community based, very familial, where I go down there and see all my guys that are here in New York, in la, all over the world, and it just becomes like a backyard hangout. And Cole actually said during his set that Dreamville Fest to the white crowd members. He said, if you're white in the crowd, you may have probably never been to a proper black cookout. Dreamville Fest is that cookout that you guys are welcome to. And I think that resonated with a lot of people. But I felt similarly. I was like, damn. Like, this is like a really family reunion and an opportunity to meet new people and connect with new people that I may not have Been aware of meaning, like, you honestly in particular, 100%.

[Nico Brim]

And then you being in New York, to me being out here, like, yeah, it's crazy. But, yeah, when I seen you, bro, I was like, yo, I got to say something like. And look, here we are now, you know, and shout out to Cole, bro. Dreamville Fest. My first time. And to your point, that that family. Family feeling that you have, like, you can't recreate that, bro. It's not at any other festival I've ever been to. You know, I think that they're unique in that way, you know, like, everybody's welcome, you know, you got Sosa, you know, and then you got J. Cole, Erykah Badu, Tims21 Savage. Like, that level of range, bro, and to have that level of range and everybody be appreciated, you know, it's not like somebody's coming in and you feel like it gets dead. Nah, bro, everybody's here for all of these artists. And yeah, you know, shout out Cole, because that's a reflection of how they carry themselves, you know, just always staying true to the art.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. I think it starts with. With Cole and Eve and how they present themselves publicly. And even through their. How they present the art that they create, it stems down to even the younger people that like rap. I think if you're a Cole Stan, you still joke. The joke is, you know, I read books and I want to get another degree or something like that, but I think there's truth to that, that it's like, we can shake ass, we can have fun. We'll go to the Chief Keef set, we'll go to the 21. But, like, we're also going to, like, you know, cry to Thames and sit through this Erykah Badu set and, like, enjoy it just as much as the artists that we grew up loving.

[Nico Brim]

100% cool. Yo, Luda.

[Julian]

Oh, don't get me started.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, Ludo went crazy. Yeah, yo, Ludo went crazy. And you want to know, too, Like, I feel like. And this could be a moment. Yo, bro, shout out Luda because he is really like a pioneer in this rap game, bro, in a sense of, like, he just stayed on the chart, bro. He stayed with a banger like Luda. Stay with a banger, bro. Flows are always crazy, you know? Like, he doesn't get the, like, the top tier rapper credit that I feel like he deserves almost because his records are, like, too big.

[Julian]

I defend Luda senselessly when it comes to his rap career because I was saying this specifically during his set To Clay, who's, like, one of J. Cole's business partner. He works on a lot of that brand branding and stuff. I was like, Clay. Luda's biggest fault is that his acting career was too successful, and now people only see him as an actor, and they don't understand how big he was or is still in rap. I know he's not. Obviously not platinum, like, currently with the songs or music you put out now, but, like, Luda's a fucking missile, like, when it comes to that level of stardom. And then he did these fast films, and, like, I guess he plays a nerd in the fast films. I never saw him.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, Yeah. I never seen.

[Julian]

I never seen him. And they were like, I'm not gonna lie.

[Nico Brim]

After Tokyo Drift, yo, that's crazy. We were talking about this earlier. Yo, bro, after Tokyo Drift, bro, that's when I fell off, bro. Bow wow in Tokyo is a movie.

[Julian]

They lost, I think. Was that two or three? Yeah, bro.

[Nico Brim]

The moment they became, like, a superhero group, that's really when I was.

[Julian]

Yeah. And they started, like, defying gravity, My.

[Nico Brim]

Nigga, You drive a car, bro, and.

[Julian]

They never get gas, bro.

[Nico Brim]

You never get gas.

[Julian]

They never.

[Nico Brim]

You drive a car is putting nitro and rockets on the back of the car, bro.

[Julian]

Like, they went to the moon, yo. Like.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, in a car, though.

[Julian]

Like, they went to the moon in a Mitsubishi.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Like, you feel what I'm saying?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I mean. And, yo, shout out to everyone that's eating off that. But that sucks to me. I'm not even.

[Julian]

The movies are awful. I think they know it's awful, but it prints money for, like, their kids. Kids, kids. Yo, Luda, that sounds sus, but, like, I was in the. The back. The back artist with my buddy Jordan that works for Complex. I was interviewing him.

[Nico Brim]

Shout out, my boy Jordan.

[Julian]

Yeah, Luda's jacked still, like, he's, like, still small. I'm like, bro, where do you find a. Where do you find the time to continue to work out that much and, like, you just look like you. He looked like he did. Because in 2005, when Red Light District came out, that was a CD. I remember for Christmas, getting on CD. I remember this. And he was. Looks exactly the same as he did at that point in his career, as he does now. Yeah, he's like, 47 now.

[Nico Brim]

And it's crazy.

[Julian]

I don't get it.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro. Even down to his fit, like, he came out on some fly shit. He's in Carolina with Jordan. Jersey on. I'm like, okay.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And then what I thought was fire, too, is, bro, he's still freestyling.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Like, you know, like that moment where he just like, yo, beat was out. It was right before he did Move, bitch.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And I was like, damn. Like, that's hunger right there. Like. Like, I'm still coming with. With shit off the top to give to my fans to make my show that much more of a memorable moment. Like, yo, I'm telling you, he put on a real master class, like, hip hop performance while I was there. Like, that shit was a real reminder, bro. Like, you got to put respect on Luda.

[Julian]

And I love when. When festivals not even to, like, you know, keep stroke and dream bill, but, like, when other art festivals put the legacy act on, it's like, it sets, yo, stroke.

[Nico Brim]

Dream is crazy.

[Julian]

I was going to see how long we could go until you brought it up.

[Nico Brim]

This is bugging.

[Julian]

But, like, what I love about when. When festivals do, it exposes the younger kids to these guys that were titans of, you know, the early 2000s. It's like these kids would never probably, maybe listen to their music, but in a commercial.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And they definitely have never seen them live. So to have them be, like, on the lawn in a festival, sharing that moment with, you know, tens of thousands of people be like, oh, that's ludicrous. Like, he's not just a guy that fixes cars in a movie every. Every two years. Like, he is this. He's a fucking rock stick. He's a superstar. So I'm sorry, you're still not over it. It's gonna get weirder.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, bro, that language is. That's interesting language, my boy.

[Julian]

Well, all right. Speaking of language, I came across. I did a little bit of digging because I know we just met and I had to catch up and do my research. So the extent of my research is just searching your name on Instagram.

[Nico Brim]

Okay.

[Julian]

Real journalist shit.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

And you were in a street interview, I believe it was here in the city that I know, actually. And you refuse that? What do you do for a living? You said you were the professional fatty inspector.

[Nico Brim]

Absolutely.

[Julian]

So what is that, man?

[Nico Brim]

Where do I begin?

[Julian]

Yeah. You know, how does one get a degree in fatty inspector?

[Nico Brim]

So it's like, it started first, like, when I was born. They were like, yo, you got really good eyes.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Nico Brim]

You know, like. And I just. I always had this particular type of vision.

[Julian]

Six sense.

[Nico Brim]

You get what I'm saying? Like, I got older. Like, I don't know, like, I was like, 18, and then like, I just. Like, somebody will walk by with a fatty and, like, I just immediately knew the dimensions and, like, the circumference of the ass.

[Julian]

Like, okay.

[Nico Brim]

It was just almost like an immediate. Like, you know, And I was like.

[Julian]

You'Re like Rain Man. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I'm like, yo, bro. Like, I know. Like, I feel. I feel like it's like, it's.

[Julian]

It's separated.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. You know? So, like, I would ask my boy, like, yo, like, do you see it the way I see it? And, like, he just didn't see it. You see that?

[Julian]

Like, Iron man when he puts on the.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. When Iron man puts his on, that's me looking at the fatty like, Damn. Like, yo, 36, 32. Like, this is crazy. Fat ratio was off the charts. So then I. Bro, I went online, I looked up and went to the academy, and I went pro.

[Julian]

Okay. That's impressive.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Who else is in that with you? Like, who would you. Who would you say is in the.

[Nico Brim]

Same league as you, Trick Daddy and Uncle Luke?

[Julian]

I love how fast people gotta pay homage to the OGs of the fatty game.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Uncle Luke's like. He's like the Wilt Chamberlain of fatty inspection. Feel me? So we gonna give him his credit, bro.

[Julian]

Uncle Luke, that's impressive. Where are the best fatties in New York?

[Nico Brim]

Uptown.

[Julian]

Really?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Uptown?

[Julian]

Are you just saying that because that's closer to where you linger?

[Nico Brim]

I mean. Nah. Cause I just. I feel like if you go by.

[Julian]

The volume game, bro, if you go.

[Nico Brim]

Uptown, right, you go from Harlem to the Heights to Bronx, right? You know, you even touch Westchester, Mount Vernon, Yonkers, Nuro, shit is serious up there, bro. Like, you. You have. You've been to the Heights, bro.

[Julian]

I have, but I haven't spent, like, ample. I'll go up there. I'm a. I have a bike that I bought a bike during the pandemic.

[Nico Brim]

Don't tell me you ride your bike.

[Julian]

Not a motorcycle.

[Nico Brim]

Don't tell me you ride a bike from here to the Heights.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, I'll go.

[Nico Brim]

You're dead serious.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, I'll go. I'll go straight up, straight up there. And then I'll also. Not in the same day. I'll go to. I'll go out to Far Rockaway.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, you on a bike?

[Julian]

On a bike. It's like 22 miles one way or round trip? I can't remember which one.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, but you wanna know? I be. I forget because, like, there's a lot of people in New York, but Miles Wise, New York Is not really. It's not that big.

[Julian]

No, it's like hour, hour and a half, hour 45 to get out. So it's like. Okay, I'm not a beach person, so I'll, like, go there, like, hang for a little bit on the beach. I don't really care too much about that, but for me, it's just about the ride. So when I go up there, though, when I go to the Heights or, like, Harlem or Beyond, I usually pick a restaurant. I. If I go and I usually do these with a friend, it's like, let's try some new food or, like, get some soul food at the spot or just pop around, see what's going on. Yeah, but I need to spend, like, real time up there. I go up there, do these rides, and it's like, maybe two, three hours. Then I, like, come back.

[Nico Brim]

See? So that right there is a. Is a big difference, because if you was a professional fatty inspector, I gotta.

[Julian]

Stay through the sun.

[Nico Brim]

Would have been, like. It would have been, like, an overwhelming experience. Yeah, you just went. You got the food.

[Julian]

So I'm doing rookie numbers. Yeah. I'm not looking at food. I'm not looking at fatties. I'm looking at patties.

[Nico Brim]

You get what you say? So it's like. It's a whole nother.

[Julian]

It's a whole different ballgame.

[Nico Brim]

Sorry, bro. It's okay. But you know, my boy, he also. I mean, shout out. My boy Ty, he did a bike ride from fucking Battery park to Bear Mountain, bro. Oh, and came back.

[Julian]

That's impressive. Bucket list for me is. Is from. From here, and you know where we are. So from here to. So that I want to. I want to take a ride. I want to go out to the Hamptons.

[Nico Brim]

Word.

[Julian]

They paved a bike path from here to there, and it's, like, safe, smooth, whatever. I just want to try it. Yeah, I'm gonna go out there with no home, no plan. But I was. I might get, I don't know, phone. No home. Like, I don't. Like, I have a crib out there. Like, I don't have friends that have. I have friends at home. I'm not welcome there. They'd be like, you get lost, sir. Yeah. Here's the rake. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Not for real, though. You're not lying. That's really. Nah, bro. That's the Hamptons, bro. They're not gonna show you no love.

[Julian]

I went out there for the first time last summer, and I did not feel welcome.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I've been to the Hamptons.

[Julian]

You're Good out there, though.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. You know, it's different for you. You know, I mean, if. I mean, if I pull up, it's like, then I'm the entertainment. Not to help, but I'm the dance boy. Isn't that kind of.

[Julian]

Yo. Because that's a. I'm so glad you said it, because I have friends that are that, like, WASPy crowd, and they have properties and they have. And they go to, like, this. The. What's that dumbass spot? Surf Lodge, Whatever. The Whatever, like, surf lot. Yeah, whatever the stupid hoity tighty spots are. But 50 Cent goes there a lot because 50s got the 50s richer than all these. Surf Lodge. Yes. He goes to all these places. But 50 is friends with, like, this girl that I. That I know from, like, the socialite scene. And she's like a five foot, like, tiny, petite, little cute girl. She actually just moved to Miami with her guy who's like twice her age. And you got the facts on it. Yeah, I mean, she's. She's a good girl anyway, but, like, they just take videos and, like, parade 50 around. I was like, something about this doesn't feel like. It feels like, like, gorilla, like, look who I got in the zoo. It's like you feel like you're saying.

[Nico Brim]

50 Cent looks like.

[Julian]

No, it's like they're filming him. Like he's an animal. Like, look at him. Like, look who we captured. It's like, what the fuck is.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, no, this is crazy, bro. I'm not gonna lie like that. I don't like that feeling, bro. I don't like that feeling at all. I feel like anybody, like, you know, like, you were feeling comfortable. If everyone's just following you with a. With a camera, do. To entertain them, bro.

[Julian]

Yeah, but don't you. On some level, as an artist, isn't there always? I don't know. Maybe it's because I experience it on such a small level, and it's like, I podcast, so if people know me, they actually kind of know me because I talk about shit that you know, regular stuff like patties and fatties. But, like, in your music, it's like, less personal, like, in the sense that you're guarded by your lyrics and, like, a beat. Do you feel like when people come up to you, is it like. I know it's always probably great to be like, I fuck with your music. This is awesome. But do you ever feel like, is it just the energy that they give off or, you know, I'm trying to say where you feel like you're Kind of being, like, looked at like an object.

[Nico Brim]

I mean, I. Honestly, I don't. It's rare that I go through, like, being like. I feel like I'm an object. I mean, if I felt like I was an object, bro, I would just g. Check it. Like, yeah, bro. Like, I'm not.

[Julian]

We good.

[Nico Brim]

Like, yo, like, put your phone. You know, like, if I felt like it was like that. But a lot of the time, especially because I'm still, you know, on the rise, so it's like. It's not to the point where you're like, I can't go certain places because.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know, so there's still this level of humanity that I get approached with that I appreciate, honestly. You know what I'm saying?

[Julian]

That's the beauty. I mean, you're from here, but also the beauty of being in New York is not many people here. People here know how to respect privacy.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro. Yo, the realest is, like, don't nobody give a. Yeah, New Yorkers, yo. Do not give a what you did, who you are, where you from, how consistently successful you've been, bro. Do not give a. About that. And I love that about New York.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Because you have the opportunity to just be who you are. Because, like, you're. You're not your failures, but you're not your successes either. And sometimes, like, when people just always put that in your face, like, you get this weird idea of who you are.

[Julian]

I know a few guys in this. In this space, not just artists, just, like, in general, their podcasters, etc. Like, big fish, small pond.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And then it kind of is like, a gut punch when they come to New York or they go to, you know, L. A or whatever, just another big city, and just no one care. Not no one cares about them, but no one's there, like, staring at them or, like, giving them the attention that they thought they would get.

[Nico Brim]

So it's on a much smaller level than you would have ever.

[Julian]

There's always a bigger body of water, and you realize how insignificant you are in the grand scheme. Not insignificant and, like, kill yourself, but, like, insignificant in the sense that it's like, bro, you're not the center of the universe, bro.

[Nico Brim]

The world is moving on without you, bro.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And I feel like even for me, that helped because I never lived anywhere outside of New York, so, like, that helped me with, like, toughening my skin up, honestly. You know, like, coming up and doing the sobs, you know, showcases or doing showcases up at the Galleria Mall and White Plains and You know, all that type of shit is, like, people, like we said, they just don't give a fuck. So it's like you're able to really see, like, what's cutting through and what's connecting with people in real time. Because, you know, it's like. And it also helps you with performing, knowing that people may not even fuck with what you have going on.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

When I go to these other places where they're way more receptive to artists, shit is like a cakewalk because, you know, they don't even. They don't even have that type.

[Julian]

They don't get that it's not in there every day.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. To just not give a fuck about people.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yeah. That's. Honestly, I learned that a lot being on the road. And that's all especially in comedy, too. It's like, you get a really honest room in those in, like, a big city, but in small cities, like the satellite cities, it's like these people are just so happy to be around somebody that they've seen online.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

That they're like, duh. And it's like, I didn't even say anything yet.

[Nico Brim]

I haven't even rapped yet. It was like that when I was on tour. Me and Kai went on tour with Cordae back in, like, 2022.

[Julian]

That's Corday.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, wow.

[Julian]

I was at Atlantic from.

[Nico Brim]

So we went on tour with him for that album.

[Julian]

No way.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. It was me, Cordae, Coast Contra and his artist, High Level Tay.

[Julian]

Holy. I worked. So when I was at Atlantic, I worked Cordae's digital marketing. I was a digital marketer for three years.

[Nico Brim]

Word.

[Julian]

I still talk occasionally talk to Cordy, but Ace and I are very good friends.

[Nico Brim]

Okay. Okay, fine.

[Julian]

Yo, bro, that's my dog.

[Nico Brim]

They picked us up. Me. Me and Kai and Coast Contra on, like, they had just finished doing the east coast, so we did all of the Midwest and the west coast dates with them.

[Julian]

Nice. Nice.

[Nico Brim]

And it was. It was super fire. But, like, what opened up my eyes was going to a place like Salt Lake City, right? And Salt Lake City being fucking lit. Like. Like super lit. Like, it's sold out, front to back. They're screaming, jumping around. But to your point, you know. And you call it a satellite city.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know, in the satellite city, like, these. These people are just so happy to see you. Like, this is what's going on out here right now.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Outside of this, for the next two, three months, there's nothing going on.

[Julian]

Skiing.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I mean?

[Julian]

And soaking. Whatever they do In Utah, bro.

[Nico Brim]

We went. When we just finished eating. We were getting ready for sound check. And while we're getting. While. While we're walking back to the hotel to walk over to soundcheck. They're already lined up, bro. Like, we haven't even started sound check yet. And I was like, wow, It's a.

[Julian]

Good feeling, though, man.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, no, it really is. And shout out to Cordae and his team for throwing us on there.

[Julian]

That's awesome. So you said you, like, what was that your first tour? Where was this tour in your. In your process?

[Nico Brim]

That was my second tour. So before that I did like six, like, six, seven dates or Rhapsody's tour for her project, Eve.

[Julian]

The Rhapsody one was. And then that's when you have the interlude on, right?

[Nico Brim]

Oh, no, no. That's for Please don't Cry. So, okay, so I've been on tour with rap twice. So I did. We did Eve tour was a black woman created this tour that was in 2020 was when I got picked up to go on there. That was like, right before the pandemic.

[Julian]

Wow. And then how was that to do that? And then sit down for.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, bro.

[Julian]

Go from the road to home.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, word, bro. It was crazy because I, you know, that was my first tour. And, you know, before the pandemic, I would have thought, like, you know, regular fashion. I would have dropped my album. Yeah, everything would have happened. And, bro, the whole fucking world changed. So, you know, I was chilling for a little bit. 2021, I dropped my EP before the throne. And then top of 2022, Cordae's team was like, yo, like, you and Kai, like, let's hit the road, you know, And I went and did that. I did like two days with Black Odyssey, you know Black Odyssey.

[Julian]

Yeah, I know. Yeah. I just saw. I was at south by Southwest. I just hanging out with him a few nights.

[Nico Brim]

And Bro is nice.

[Julian]

He's great. Yeah, he's nice ass dude, too.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Great people. Yeah. Shout out to him and the whole team.

[Julian]

So is that how you got connected to rap or.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, no, I got connected to rap. Rap. Had a show here down in New York and I pulled up on her. It was a show with her and Knife. And I had rap for her, like, before the show, like, got you. And she was like, yo, like, you know you're dope. She took my number down and then her and Knife had me at JAMLA at Bright Lady Studio down in Riley. And I was over there, bro. And from there, me and rap just started Creating an organic relationship. And then I was working on a project at that time that she wanted to executive produce. And so from there, I was just, you know, kind of like, just studying under her, you know what I mean? And then eventually, like, if we decided that we were gonna do a label, you know what I mean? So now, you know, me and her, I just have, like, that big sis, little bro relationship.

[Julian]

That's a great mentor to have.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro. It was 2018, bro. When I had met her, like, we went down there, she was like, yo, pick a beat. And then, like, I picked a beat for all of us to get on, and I did, like, a. A cipher type record with her.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And then they ended up putting it on the Jamla compilation album. And you like Busta Rhymes, Jid Conway, all these people are on this lineup.

[Julian]

You're like, wait a minute.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, bro, you know what I'm saying? Like, at this time, bro, I'm like, 20, maybe 21. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, yo, this is crazy. And, you know, fast forward, you, you know, brought me on that tour.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I went on tour. Corde did a couple dates with Black Odyssey. Then I did the Please on Cry tour on her last album. And that's the one where I'm featured on with Nico's Interlude and isn't like.

[Julian]

Wayne on that following record.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. And I'm on the hook on that record.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Word, bro. So shout out to rap. A real legend in the game, you know, I'm saying one of the greatest lyricists ever, you know, And I'm just thankful. That's awesome to be locked in with it.

[Julian]

You. So you've been. Because you're not no stranger. I mean, you've been an artist for a while. Like, you said rapping, you were like, 14.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I've dropped my first, like, mixtape on that piff when I was 17, so I was 16. 17 was when I started.

[Julian]

Okay. But even before you were rapping, like, I did, again, very extensive research. My research department. ChatGPT. Your. Your. I know your mom and your dad are both, you know, heavily involved, your mom on the fashion side of things and your dad and, like, the music exec side of things.

[Nico Brim]

Sure.

[Julian]

This explain that. Like, your upbringing and just coming up in the. Kind of. In the. In this system itself.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, 100%. Like, so I feel like I'm a real child of hip hop, you know what I'm saying? Like, hip hop created, like, my life, you know, like, my mother with, you know, fashion and my father with the.

[Julian]

Music for those that don't know. Cause I don't want to butcher. Like, tell the people that are listening who your mom is and what she, like, what pioneered in hip hop specifically.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. So my mom is Misa Hilton and she is a legendary stylist, designer, you know, really like an architect, you know, she's the architect of fashion. And when you see all of those old school looks from, you know, Jodeci to, you know, Lil Kim, Mary J. Blige, you know, Faith Evans and just ushering in that ghetto fabulous look with the jerseys and, you know, and the color wigs and the color outfits, like that's on my mom.

[Julian]

Yeah, I read that. Exactly what you said. Like her, she pioneered mixing street fashion with high end fashion.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Like.

[Julian]

Like taking like an oversized jersey, like putting some Louis as an accent or something like that.

[Nico Brim]

100. So, like before my mom's, I think about, like when you would see, you know, like the. The Keith sweats and the other R B. Like, right. You know, you going for like this silk lounge look.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Straight off the Kenneth Cole.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. You know, straight off the Kevin Cole rap. And my mom was like, nah, like there's a new era of fashion and the way that people are expressing themselves out here. And she brought that to the forefront, you know, and you know, a lot of those looks. Yeah. My mom's responsible for even working with Missy. You know who. Missy has a bunch of iconic looks. And her and my mom were working, so I seen that every day. You know, like just that high level output of work, you know, like, she was non stop.

[Julian]

Was this like something where would these artists that you named, like, be at your house or would you go on set with your mom or like, where were you? I know you were a child, but like, did. Did you. Were you around it a lot?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, for sure. Like my mom. I forget what song it was for Mary, but like, bro, I probably was like six months. My mom had me. Yeah, my mom had me on set. It's the, the video where they shot in Hawaii.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Nico Brim]

And like, it's like this crazy high budget video, but my mom had me there.

[Julian]

Was there ever, like a young you in any of these music videos as an extra, like, walk?

[Nico Brim]

Oh, no, I don't think they don't have me. But you know, my mom, I would see Mary, you know, like, Mary would come over to the crib. I would see Missy, I would see Lil Kim. Like, I would see them around a lot of the times my mom would be going places and, like, if she brought us with her while she was working, we got to see these people. And it was. It was crazy. Like, it definitely shaped what I thought was, like, possible from an early age, you know what I mean? This was like my mom's everyday life. And then when my dad. My parents had split up when I was younger, and so I would go to my dad's, and my dad was always on some music. Like, he was in the studio non stop. My dad was a rapper at one point in like, the late 80s. Okay, he was a producer. He was an exec manager. Like, he just, you know, like every.

[Julian]

Every corner of the industry.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, every corner of the industry. My father was there because he just has this crazy passion for. For hip hop and, you know, R B culture in general. So he was working on, you know, music, Soul Child and, you know, Trey Songz, you know what I'm saying? And like, Montel Jordan and like, all these, you know, dope acts, Big Sean and so, you know, when I wasn't with my mom and just consistently seeing hip hop in his fashion, I was seeing the music, you know, my dad had this studio set up in his apartment and shit like that.

[Julian]

So did you feel like growing up in that? Did you. Was this always your interest or was it, you know, I get it, this is what my parents do, but maybe I'll come back to it. Or did, you know, kind of at a relatively early age, like, this is fun. I want to make this my life in some regard. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I mean, I didn't realize I was going to be a rapper that early, but I did realize I wanted to be involved in music. I used to play the drums.

[Julian]

Okay?

[Nico Brim]

So I was on some shit like, yo, I'm going to be a drummer for hire for hip hop tours. You know what I'm saying?

[Julian]

Like, it's a great gig.

[Nico Brim]

You feel me? 50 Cent will need somebody one day, and I want to be the drummer that learns his music and plays. So that's what I was on originally. And like, I play sports. Like, I did all types of. I played baseball. I was on a swim team, bro. I was a swim.

[Julian]

Swim team. Damn.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, whatever.

[Julian]

You swim out in the Hamptons now. You can go to the Hamptons.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, yeah, you know?

[Julian]

What events did you do in swim?

[Nico Brim]

You sprinting, like the 53 or 300 free.

[Julian]

Every black dude that swims up the 53, bro. My brother did that.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, dead ass, bro. I definitely. I definitely was doing 50, 300 free. I did 100 fly. 100 breaststroke relays.

[Julian]

Wow.

[Nico Brim]

I was. I was really in it. Yeah. I went to states. I went to the state championship. Like that, so.

[Julian]

Oh, that's. I wonder if it's. This is. Damn. I might edit this. Whatever. I'll say it. Bear with me, because I was a track athlete, so I did. I did long and triple jump. I got a D.I.D. in college.

[Nico Brim]

Okay.

[Julian]

Division one scholarship.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, I could fly. Okay.

[Julian]

I got bunnies. Well, not anymore. My knees fucked.

[Nico Brim]

But you can dunk.

[Julian]

Oh, easy. Back in the day. Not now. Oh, God, no, not now. Jesus Christ. I'd tear my acl. But when in track, American. American blacks are fast. Like sprint fast in pool. From what I'm learning from you and my brother, same goes to the pool.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So I'm wondering, in track, African blacks are like the guys that win all the super marathons. They win it. They can run 40 miles in like 5 minute splits. Does that translate to swimming where African blacks are like the beast distance swimmers, or does the stereotype have that much weight that they don't even. You can't go that far. It doesn't work. Like, does Ethiopia have a nasty. Like, does Ethiopia have a disgusting, like, relay team that can swim like three days straight?

[Nico Brim]

That's crazy. Nah, bro, I don't think. I don't think either.

[Julian]

What do you think?

[Nico Brim]

I don't think Ethiopia has a. Yo, bro, he just went crazy.

[Julian]

Yo, you see the logic though, right?

[Nico Brim]

I mean, I see, I see where you were going with it, but bro, nah, E, you can't just say that about African people, bro. Yo, I got. I gotta represent. Yo, bro, look, I gotta represent for all African peoples that are African diaspora. I get where he was trying to.

[Julian]

Go, but watch, they'll place in the LA Olympics.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, but yo, but I tell you what, though, if they do have that, that would be fire.

[Julian]

I'd be fired.

[Nico Brim]

But I'm not. I'm not subscribing to the stereotype. I'm not.

[Julian]

No, I'm trying to break. Break down the story. I'm trying to fight against it by being like, you think black people can't swim? But watch this. The Africans can swim the most and the fastest. That's what I'm trying to. I want to, like, I'm. I'm hopeful.

[Nico Brim]

Okay, But I mean, at first it seemed like it was just like, well, if Africans can run a long time, then they must be able to swim a lot.

[Julian]

Now, that was a different. There's two. There's two tracks of logic. They're different.

[Nico Brim]

That correlation to me is like, bro, Like, I can't. I can't. I can't say that.

[Julian]

Look, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see in the next Olympic. They got years. They can figure it out.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. And African people, regardless, are super nice at sports in general. Like, even think about the African ballplayers, bro. Hakeem Olajuwon. Like Joel and Beast. No, I mean, Joel and B sometimes kind of pisses me off, but.

[Julian]

Well, he doesn't play. That's kind of shitty.

[Nico Brim]

He's at the Sixes, bro.

[Julian]

OGN and Obi's. Isn't he Nigerian?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Yeah. So is Bam. Adebayo.

[Julian]

Yeah. I love oj. You Nick's guy. You got to be a Nick's guy. What? You're from here. How are you not a Nick?

[Nico Brim]

Because the Knicks sucked.

[Julian]

When?

[Nico Brim]

The whole time. You're like, Entire life, bro.

[Julian]

You're entirely. You're like 15 years old. How do you mean your entire life for.

[Nico Brim]

They sucked for 15 years and then some. Shout out. Melo. Melo was legendary. Coming to the Knicks, that was fire. I don't like the colors, bro. Blue and orange.

[Julian]

I'm with you on the colors.

[Nico Brim]

Blue and orange, Yo. Blue and orange sucks. But, like, now you do. Blue and orange is because you're wearing some sort of uniform.

[Julian]

That's girl logic, though. You don't like teams by the colors.

[Nico Brim]

I'm just adding, like, it's an additional, like, on top of the fact that they sucked my whole career. Like, bro, you play at the Garden, bro, you get your ass busted.

[Julian]

You're wearing blue and orange right now.

[Nico Brim]

I'm wearing blue and. Or. But look. Look at my fit, bro.

[Julian]

That's blue and orange, brown.

[Nico Brim]

I got gold. I got. I got a lot going on. I'm not just out here in a blue top and orange pants. Like, if you wore a blue top and orange pants, bro, you would look crazy. You would look. Yo Halloween costume, yo. You would look crazy.

[Julian]

Like, all right, bro, you making it mad specific.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Like, everybody else behind you, yo. You feel me? So that. That's another thing. But, yeah, bro, they suck. Shout out Stephon Marbury. Mark, don't say they suck in the. Shout out.

[Julian]

Every Nick that ever played on that court, disrespect the team.

[Nico Brim]

Who do you like that mellow?

[Julian]

Who do you like?

[Nico Brim]

So I'm. I'm not gonna lie. I grew up, like, as a Bron fan. Like, you feel what I'm saying?

[Julian]

Come on. Even your look at even your.

[Nico Brim]

Even people's bro. Bron is the goat now. But you. My dad was a Celtics fan.

[Julian]

Oh, you know, getting worse.

[Nico Brim]

So, like, by the way, like, I seen the Celtics coming up. They were dope. I like to see them do their thing, but that was passed down to me. I feel like when I got into my own love of basketball, I was with LeBron.

[Julian]

So my thing is, like, I think compare. Like, if I were to say when I was younger, Kobe was everything. I wasn't a Laker fan. I was a Kobe fan. But I guess I like Shaq, too, so I guess I wasn't. But I'm always been a Knicks fan. Like, that's my thing. But, like, when that era ended, I was like, all right, like, fuck the Lakers.

[Nico Brim]

When the Lakers.

[Julian]

Like, when Kobe retired. And, like, that was all, like, even. Even when I got older and Kobe was, like, way past his prime. Like, when they weren't winning much and, like, years before he retired, I was like, I. Like, I respect what's going on over there. And at that team, the Lakers sucked, so it's not like they were doing anything anyway. And then I was like, all right, like, let me root for my other trash team that I actually love, the Knicks.

[Nico Brim]

See, you know, it's crazy, too. I was saying, like, last year, I was like, damn, like, I might want to join the Knicks.

[Julian]

Nah, we don't want you anymore. This is on camera, bro. I hit record this time.

[Nico Brim]

I really, like. I really doubled down on it on, like, a crazy way. So, like, you know, all my friends that were speaking to me, they were like, yo, bro, it's time, bro.

[Julian]

It is.

[Nico Brim]

It's time for you to be a Knicks fan. And I was, like, super close. But I don't know, bro. I think I just stand on shit aggressively. And now I gotta see.

[Julian]

So by proxy, you're a Laker fan now.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, but you wanna know, too? Like, Kobe was always. Was always like, you know, one of the goats. Like, so, yeah, I always appreciated Kobe. I don't give a fuck if, you know, Celtics or not, rivalry or not, you can't watch Kobe bol, bro, and not fuck with him.

[Julian]

I'm a notorious Bron hater. And over the years, I've softened up.

[Nico Brim]

You kind of give me that vibe.

[Julian]

I was brutal.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, he cramps up. Don't you one of those people?

[Julian]

No, because, like, for me, and this is, like, I think the mature.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, not for me. I. I don't like LeBron.

[Julian]

The mature argument between me and the Kobe Lebron thing with you can bring Jordan into this too, is I like athletes that have that killer instinct. They're not here to be friends with everybody. They don't want to. Like, you know, we all take vacations together. Kobe's like, I hate you and I'm going to dunk on you and I will embarrass you in front of your family. Like, that was his mission statement. I like my athletes, the people I know that seem so unattainable because that mentality, you can't teach that. Like, that's what I admire. And LeBron, to me, doesn't have that killer instinct. Obviously, he's a freak and is physically in another. Physically in another. In a league of his own. Like, it's not even close.

[Nico Brim]

He's a freak in a league. In a physical league of his own.

[Julian]

From the waist down. Monster.

[Nico Brim]

Jesus Christ. Why?

[Julian]

Why? Come on, man. Nah, but.

[Nico Brim]

But I can't.

[Julian]

I don't know, something about LeBron just kind of irks me. Like, with. With the way he is too nice and, like, just be an asshole. Like, be the killer.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like, I feel like people say that, but whenever I watch Bron play, like, I just don't see him being the friendliest with people on the court. I feel like off the court, he's a really friendly person.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I've never seen LeBron, like, have the opportunity to dunk on you and be like, you know, I'm not going to dunk on you. Like, LeBron has banged it on everybody.

[Julian]

Pause, pause. That's crazy. That's way crazier than what I just said.

[Nico Brim]

That's crazy. Yeah, bro.

[Julian]

Banged on everybody.

[Nico Brim]

I said bang.

[Julian]

If I said that. You said LeBron banged everybody.

[Nico Brim]

I said he banged it on everybody.

[Julian]

You said he banged everyone in the NBA.

[Nico Brim]

See, look. Okay, all right, cool.

[Julian]

Yeah, I didn't say it.

[Nico Brim]

No, But I say LeBron, bro. Like, he. He's dunked. Yeah. Banged. It might have been crazy. I feel like, say that in New York. But if you just want to take this from a bigger. If you take this in somewhere else, someone's gonna hear that and be like.

[Julian]

Someone in Salt Lake that's like, oh.

[Nico Brim]

What are you talking about, my boy? I've never seen him banging on anybody. The.

[Julian]

He's only fans.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, But I say LeBron's dunked on everybody. LeBron has a lot of game winners, bro. Of taking last minute shots. Like, we gotta look at his whole career. I think that, like, he's just the most well rounded basketball player that plays basketball at the highest level in each form and facet that you could play ball, bro.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, I'm a hater. But I'll also dial it back. I. I've softened my hate for him because of. It's just like, you can't be. It's 20 years. Like, at some point, tip the cap. Like, what are we doing?

[Nico Brim]

You know? And like, that's what I'm saying. Even if he's not your number one. Like, if he's not in five. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Julian]

He's in the top five.

[Nico Brim]

Like, if you don't put him in five. Like, yo, bro, if anyone puts one of these. If you put Dennis Rodman over, who.

[Julian]

Would ever do that?

[Nico Brim]

But you know how certain people from that era.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, like what? Like, like, like Isaiah Thomas would have locked LeBron up.

[Julian]

Yeah, Isaiah Thomas, bro.

[Nico Brim]

They'll say the most random. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, he. I'm telling you, if you put LeBron in any era, bro, he's a legend.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know, for sure. But LeBron's my goat. But my favorite player is Kyrie.

[Julian]

I respect that.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. I have a difference. Like, even with rap, I respect that. There's goats, right. Who just rap the best. Then there's like your personal favorites.

[Julian]

Who are those for you in rap?

[Nico Brim]

The Goats.

[Julian]

Yeah. And both.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I'll say. Hov. Hov Nas. Hov Nas. Big Andre 3002. It's like for five. It might be like Lil Wayne or.

[Julian]

Did you catch his set at Dreamville?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I did. Oh, yeah, yeah, it was, it was. It was fire, bro. Coming out to Mr. Carter.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Is.

[Julian]

I think he did great. I saw the online. I had some people sending me stuff like Wayne. This is why he's trash. The super bowl swag. Why he didn't do. I was like, I thought he did really well.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And I've seen Wayne do bad shows.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

But he did a really good job.

[Nico Brim]

Especially by like, you're saying, by the way, Wayne Metric. That was a great.

[Julian]

Yeah. His standards, fantastic show.

[Nico Brim]

The only thing, like, if I were to have like a feedback on it was. And it wasn't even his performance. It might have been maybe some of the songs. Yeah, I mean, like, I probably would. I would have swapped, like, going in for something else.

[Julian]

Always picks awful songs. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know, like. Yeah. I don't know. Like, it would have been fire to even see him jump into his no Ceilings bag. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Like, like.

[Nico Brim]

And and that's why I put Wayne on there. Like, out of the five that I said, bro, I think that Wayne like his wordplay and, like, it's just. It's a whole nother level. I damn near wanted to put M in there, but those other people I named. Damn. Kendrick is one of the Goats, though, too. I didn't put Kendrick in there.

[Julian]

I mean, you could. I'm not going to say hard five. Like, okay.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, yeah. So these are some of the people that. Cool.

[Julian]

But then. Okay, but then you said those are the go. But then who are the people that you really like? Who are your Kyries in that comparison?

[Nico Brim]

Okay, yeah, for sure. Like, my Kyries would be like Nas, Kanye, Nip. I would put. I'm not even gonna lie. Lauryn Hill is super nice to me.

[Julian]

Yeah. I mean, I don't think anyone would. Okay.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I'm saying? I'm putting Pac in there. Prodigy, wow.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. P is. P has the best pop off bars of any rapper. There's a war going on outside no man is safe from. You could run but you can't hide forever.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

He. His pop offs are insane, bro.

[Julian]

Produce great, bro.

[Nico Brim]

When you get it, when you get a chance. Listen back to every Prodigy verse, bro. His opening line is insane. I break bread, ribs, hundred dollar bills Put off in Ducati another four wheels. Come on.

[Julian]

That's a great start.

[Nico Brim]

Come on, bro. Like, yo, he's. He's legend, but those are people. Like, I really love listening to.

[Julian]

Regionally speaking. Where do you. Where do you listen to the most? Like, I feel like I go through phases where maybe when the weather's nice, I like to listen to more Southern rap because it's like a. More outsides, more upbeat. Like, if it's cold and shit, I lock in. Listen a lot. Like rhyming New York stuff. Like, you know what I mean is that. Does that. Does that kind of go through phases for you or you from. Like, I'm always going to listen to this region first.

[Nico Brim]

No, no. I definitely listen to different regions of hip hop. I feel like the regions I listen to the most would probably be like New York, la, and like Florida.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Nico Brim]

Like, those are like my top three. I would say no. And let me throw Chicago in there too. Cause I really fuck with Herbo. I think Herbo's super nice. You know Vic messing with that Internet tape from back in the day. That shit was.

[Julian]

Vick had it for a while, man. I don't want to say it's over.

[Nico Brim]

But, like, he was Bro, Yeah, he was on fire.

[Julian]

He was on it.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. And I feel like even right now he still could rap his ass off. Like, I haven't tapped in to like, his albums to give like a fair, like.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Critique on what it is, but anytime I've heard him rap. Just a verse, bro, like, he's. He's nice.

[Julian]

Same with Chance. It's like people still gonna get that, like, Internet joke off, like, you know, the. The Hot shower.

[Nico Brim]

Hot shower.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. I wasn't with it.

[Julian]

And I mean, that album's objectively shit.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, I Love My wife, all that stuff. Like, I get it. But that dude, he could still, like, he puts out those little rap snippets or like those like one line song. Not one line, but like those just one off songs on. On Twitter.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, they're awesome.

[Julian]

I'm like, bro, just do an album of that.

[Nico Brim]

Like, oh, hell yeah.

[Julian]

All of the album been.

[Nico Brim]

Cuz those are all singles lined up. He had to drink Highs and the Lows with Joey Badass. Yeah, it was crazy.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

He had another one where he was like, his writing is just ill, bro.

[Julian]

Like, that Hot Shower album was probably like what, five, six years ago?

[Nico Brim]

Like, he has even longer than that, honestly.

[Julian]

Probably. Yeah, he's got plenty of that could come out that could easily, you know, change the perception of him publicly.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro. Yo, acid rap, bro, for me was. Was an incredible album. Like, yo, Chance, if you ever see this, bro, you got it in you, bro. Drop some more of that fire.

[Julian]

I was in college when acid rap came out. I. That was incredible.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I was in high school. I was either like my senior year, I think. Yeah, I think it was like my senior year.

[Julian]

Yeah, man, that. What a fun time.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro, that. That era of mixtape, that. That blog era, bro, was just. Was beast shout out. Mick Jenkins too. Mick, another one from Chicago.

[Julian]

Underrated.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, Mick, right now, bro, is one of the, like, current goats, bro, in terms of skill level.

[Julian]

Nick is great. I'm glad that he's back his ass off, bro.

[Nico Brim]

And Waters was a fire debut project. Like hell yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. Is there from. I'm trying to think of how I want to. Word. Maybe not. Not. Well, that's. Yeah, let's do contemporaries. Like who in your class, I guess class. But like, you know how music is. It's not necessarily by age. It's by like ascension into the, you know, mainstream, I guess, so to speak. Who do you look at as like a peer in your space? Someone that either you've collaborated with or haven't collaborated with yet that you respect and would want to work with for sure.

[Nico Brim]

I mean, I definitely start with Kai. Kai Cash.

[Julian]

How did that relationship start?

[Nico Brim]

My cousin.

[Julian]

Oh, we were born. That's cool. Yeah, you know, that's an easy entry. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. So me and Kai, for sure. He's one Marco plus out of Atlanta. Super Fire, you know, Chris Patrick out of East Orange. He's ill too. Reuben Vincent.

[Julian]

Great.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Charlotte, North Carolina, me. So when I had met rap and they flew me down, yeah, that's how I had met Reuben in person. But what's crazy is my boy, Shout Out Larry, he's from my block, right? So Larry moves down to Charlotte.

[Julian]

Oh, really?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. He ends up going to school with Rube. So when I was in high school, Larry was already telling me, like, yo, there's this dude out here named Reuben.

[Julian]

That's crazy.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Then. And then I meet rap and then the whole came full circle. So me and Ruben have like countless stories, bro. Like back to 2018.

[Julian]

Like, that's crazy.

[Nico Brim]

Like sleeping in the studio, bro. Like recording six songs a day. Me and him just going back and forth, you know, and shout out to Ru because, you know, we put in a lot of pain. It's great to see him and where he's at.

[Julian]

I saw him at Dream Bill.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. And with Kai, bro. My first song I ever rap was with Kai. So like I did a stop being greedy DMX freestyle with him and we both rap for like 2 minutes.

[Julian]

Was this a matter of like one of you wanted to rap and the other one was like. Or was it just like you both knew immediately that you wanted to.

[Nico Brim]

Not Cobb and rapping since he was like six years old, bro. Okay, so he was like. He was a rapper like from the very beginning. Yeah, I was on the. Playing the drums and the music, but like, that wasn't where my head was all the way, you know, like I told you, like, I was even swimming. I was doing sports and so.

[Julian]

16S in the pool.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, yo, for real though, you know, it sounds crazy, but that's. That transition really happened. And then Kai was. Kai was already recording. He recorded his first mixtape that he threw up on dad Piff in the. In the closet in my crib, you know.

[Julian]

That's crazy.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. And then like fast forward, you know, he signed a gen now and you know, I'm raps artist and you know, we're doing tours and all that shit. So, you know, we. We all come up was like from the beginning, you know what I mean?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And. And you know, with Chris and Marco, those are people I have just met along the way that, you know, like, I really, I think are really fire, you know, like, I respect their pens. I think that they're tough, you know, and, you know, hopefully we could make more shit. Me and Marco actually got the next record I'm dropping, has Marco on it. Oh, yeah. And Chris, I would love to do something me, him, me, him and reason actually cut a record. Gotta figure out when that shit's coming out.

[Julian]

Yeah, I love Reasons. Good friend of mine. Yeah, Reasons. Great.

[Nico Brim]

So what.

[Julian]

Where do you think everyone talks about, like, the state of hip hop? Like, I don't even want to make it about like the Kendrick, Drake Beef, but, like, post that, it kind of seems like it's a little all over the place and just I feel like there's a lot of pieces that need to be picked up or, like, a lot of gaps that can be filled because of, like, the fucking meteor that just hit the. The hip hop world last year.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

Like, how do you feel like, if someone were to ask you, like, what makes you unique or what makes you different, then all the other artists that are, that are, you know, are out or even more successful or anyone else that's in your position that's trying to get to that next level, like, how would you separate yourself?

[Nico Brim]

I mean, like, I feel like a lot of the answers are like, cliche, where it's like, yo, you know, like, be yourself or things of that nature. But, like, I honestly feel like when you, when you do things like, the way that you want to do them, you start tapping into this intuitive guidance that, like, brings you down the. The best possible path, you know, it's like I kind of do like, this just trusting what I feel, you know, type of situation, because I feel like I'm here to make music. Like, yeah, I don't feel like I didn't pick this up because I wanted money or I wanted the accolades or the things that came with it. I feel like I have a calling to express myself through this art form. So I just, you know, do my best to, you know, just. Just keep it authentic to who I am, but also like, you know, making sure that my content is, is, you know, the best that it could be, you know what I'm saying? Making sure that I'm collaborating with artists to get on other people's, you know, platforms and get exposed to their fan bases, you know, and, yeah, just looking like, to lean to my strengths. Like when we was talking about ball, right. Some people Are outside, you know, to like mid range shooters. Some people go to the cup where rappers. I feel like it's the same thing. Some rappers stream really well, but their shows are shit. Some people have really good shows, you know what I'm saying? And they stream really well, but they don't have their merch. Looking at rap as a brand, I just look to see, like, what are the things that stand out about me and how can I service that more to people?

[Julian]

Okay, so let's look at that like a 2K player. Like, where are your sliders? Like, where are your strengths?

[Nico Brim]

99 done.

[Julian]

On what though?

[Nico Brim]

Everything.

[Julian]

Come on.

[Nico Brim]

I dress better, I look better, I smell better, I rap better, I perform better, I wake up better than I put. I pump gas into my car. Better than my jewels look better. My. When I get my car wash, my car looks better than someone else who watched their car at the same dealership. So it's like, I just feel like.

[Julian]

You know, see, that's the Kobe mentality that I was talking about earlier. Yeah, but yeah, that's the I'm talking about, bro. You said there's some artists you said you were, but you felt like you were born to do. This is one of the first things you said. And there's this thing that's been going around probably, you know, for, for a long time, but it's more prevalent now with the Internet era where a lot of people that are Internet famous or working in the industry in some fashion see rap as a lick. Get a, you know, the right beat, find the right producer, you know, fuck the radio promo guy. And then, you know, all of a sudden they have a diamond record. How, like, how do you feel about people that treat hip hop kind of like a lick or an opportunity to just get their shit off, grab a couple dollars and then just like, you know, disappear.

[Nico Brim]

I feel like, look, bro, is it frustrating being an artist? For sure, because it's like, yo, I'm watching this nigga who can't tell a verse from a hook.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know, in a song. And he has a million dollar deal with a budget. But also at the same time, bro, the world is fucked up, man. And there's a lot of that you could be doing, you know what I'm saying? There's back in Mount Vernon, there's back in Albany right now doing terrible things to get their, their bread and to provide for themselves. And if you're going to come into this game and if you're changing your life and your family to a certain extent, I Can respect that. The only problem that I have is like when it, when it turns into like you co signing or pushing, that's not even true to who you are, you know what I'm saying? And it's like negatively impacting the space of hip hop, you know what I'm saying? Like, because there are certain who get on, but that's really their life. They deserve an opportunity to tell their story, you know what I'm saying? But like, but you know, but in the same breath they're like, it is frustrating, like, yo, this nigga's a bum. But then it's like, yo, but then think about it too. Like back in the day, bro. Like, bum always get a shot. And you want to know why? Because they're confident, bro. They're super talented. Rappers want everything brought to their feet. The bum nigga is gonna go out there and really go after it. The bum niggas in every club making sure his record gets spun. The bum niggas taking pictures with everybody. The bum niggas putting up bread to perform. He's going hard.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And eventually he's gonna get that shit pays off. Yeah, bro. Like, I feel like it's not even new to our generation, bro. Like, there was always bullshit.

[Julian]

Oh yeah, yeah. But it was like the barrier of entry was so much higher back in the day.

[Nico Brim]

That's, that's.

[Julian]

Whereas now it's like all you need is a phone and some wi fi.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. And you can make a song. And that's what I don't like too. I definitely feel like, like there needs to be a. Some sort of clear cut difference between the people who are considered professional or on that track of being professional artists and people who are just doing it for the sake of doing it. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Yes. But.

[Nico Brim]

And I don't think that that, that separation should be through labels though.

[Julian]

Yeah. There shouldn't be like a gatekeeping process.

[Nico Brim]

It shouldn't be like, because you're signed to said record label, you get to be here. But I do think that there needs to be some sort of like distinction. Like, you know what I mean? I don't know if maybe it's like you get a certain number of streams and you collectively through your career.

[Julian]

If you were like a commissioner of hip hop, what would you call those metrics? What would you say? Like, this is. Okay, you've officially made it here. You've done these five things.

[Nico Brim]

I feel like if you take to get into what I would consider like a professional, like the rookie in a professional League of Hip Hop, you probably gotta sell, like I say, like, a thousand pieces worth of merch. I think that you have to have a million streams collectively. And I think. And whatever. That's equivalent to like. Like, album sales, you know? So, like, whatever. Whatever that number is. And I think that you would have to have done at least. Let's say we put. Like, you need to. Bro. You need to have, like, at least, like, was it 2010 shows under your belt?

[Julian]

Like, 20 shows. That's a lot for most artists. I think it's. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

What about showcase? I'm including showcases, though.

[Julian]

Yeah. I mean, sure. But I don't know. I feel like a lot of. A lot of artists can't scrape for an opportunity to touch a stage.

[Nico Brim]

I mean, bro, there's showcases everywhere, bro. Like, I guess I used to do showcases in the mall.

[Julian]

I mean, you're talking from someone you're built on Dream Build Fest. So I guess that's a little different. You're in a different league. Where would you say, okay, if that's the rookie entry, what tier are you in in your. In your world?

[Nico Brim]

I feel like I'm at a. I'm feel like I'm where, like, Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown might have been. Like, before the ring.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Nico Brim]

I, Like, I've shown that I can ball. People are seeing that I could bowl.

[Julian]

They know you're legit.

[Nico Brim]

They know I legit. But I may not have necessarily brought the ring back. But, you know, if you had to put in your parlay, you're not putting me under certain numbers. Like, you wouldn't do that to yourself.

[Julian]

You're gonna take the over.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, you're gonna take the over with me, you know, But I haven't brought back home that ring right now.

[Julian]

What would it take in this analogy for? What would be the ring moment for you?

[Nico Brim]

What would be the ring moment for me? I think, is this like, a gold.

[Julian]

Record or like, a black. Like, what would be that for an artist?

[Nico Brim]

Yo, you. You want to know, and this is, like a hard metric to, like, measure. But I. It would be something along the lines of that the album has reached. Like, it has reached, like, the streets outside of New York, too. Like, like an example of that. Like, I feel like when you get, like, a section 80 or something like that, right? Like, when Kendrick dropped that, like, you can't sit here and say, by the metrics, this was the biggest album. But that carried his name to a.

[Julian]

Certain level of respect culturally that went from Compton to Albany or like, that.

[Nico Brim]

I Felt that all the way over here. Exactly. Like, and I want to have that album. Like, how we just sat here and we said acid rap, and we both was like, oh, shit.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I want to have one of those. Where it sits in the forefront of people's mind of that generation as an album that was influenced.

[Julian]

That's a great, great answer. But I think one of the things that people with. With albums like that, the two that we just mentioned, it kind of is like, the 911 effect in the sense that it's like. I remember where I was when I first heard acid rap.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I remember what I was doing when kid section 80 dropped. Like, there's something about music that can, like, kind of stitch itself into your mind and kind of create a. Like a yearbook.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, oh, that's it. I. Like, I had 10 memories that jumped into my mind of me, like, doing dumb on a college campus to acid rap. And I'm like, damn, I should text these guys. Because that was the people I haven't talked to in years. But acid rap was, to me, that was that era for my life.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro, for sure. Like, I had. I had a couple albums that were like that. The earliest one is Get Rich or Die Trying.

[Julian]

Oh, bro.

[Nico Brim]

And this is back when bro had a mp3.

[Julian]

How old were you when that came out?

[Nico Brim]

I was like, seven.

[Julian]

Wasn't that 03 or 02? When did.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, three.

[Julian]

Oh, three.

[Nico Brim]

All right, so I'm. I'm six when this comes out. I was born in 97.

[Julian]

Okay. I'm 92. I was 11. I remember I was playing basketball. So you think youth basketball?

[Nico Brim]

I'm in. Yeah, Like, I'm starting. I'm in school, right? So, like, I'm just now starting school. So this is, like, early, early memory.

[Julian]

Of, like, learning how to, like, fill in shapes and connect dots. Listening to what Up?

[Nico Brim]

It was clean. It was clean, though.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And in my mom's defense, it was.

[Julian]

You're, like, coloring circles. Triangle. Taking naps.

[Nico Brim]

Taking naps. Waking up to 50, Hustler's ambition and Word. Oh, yeah. I remember when I went to go see that movie, too. That movie was Legend.

[Julian]

Oh, it's so.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, that and 8 Mile are, like, the two best hip hop movies, bro. Nobody's done it better than those two.

[Julian]

In Mile is a good. That is a good hip hop movie. I'm a great. I'm a Notorious Eminem hater, but that's a good movie.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, you want to know?

[Julian]

I hate Eminem.

[Nico Brim]

I don't. I don't Hate Eminem.

[Julian]

Not as a person. I think he's an artist.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I think that M skill wise bro, is one of the Goats, though, for him.

[Julian]

But he did so much more damage to hip hop because of the sound that he created. Like, like so like the copy, like the M's children, the spawns of Eminem. No. 1. It's. It's the worst kind of rap. It's literally the worst type of.

[Nico Brim]

Is it? No, no, hold on. No. Is it worse than Drill? Is it worse than gr. Gr. Gr.

[Julian]

At least maybe I'm going to say yes because Drill is still new enough that it hasn't had that effect. M has been copycatted, flipped and dunked for 20 years.

[Nico Brim]

But Kendrick is. Is a product of Eminem, though.

[Julian]

Stop what everybody.

[Nico Brim]

You're bugging. Kendrick is a product of M, bro.

[Julian]

Just cuz they do the same thing doesn't mean that they're not like just cuz LeBron dunks. Doesn't mean he got it from Kobe. Like mad people rap. He didn't get rapping from em.

[Nico Brim]

Kendrick wound. If you look up, Kendrick will tell you that M is one of his influences.

[Julian]

Every fucking artist would be like one of the Goats. Is that because it's like a formality.

[Nico Brim]

No, no, no. But he said. He. I said one of the ghosts. You see how far removed that is? I'm talking about like. Like there's. There's space with that. You know what I mean? This said he is a direct influence to him, you know, like this is his. Like he studied.

[Julian]

All right, then I'll ask you this. What the fuck in Kendrick's music today do you hear the influence of Eminem on?

[Nico Brim]

I hear his influence when. Like when he was doing shit like rigor mortis and stuff like that.

[Julian]

Sure. Okay.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Fine. Fine.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, yeah. Like he's on. He's definitely on some M shit when he's doing that. I even feel like when he's on swimming pools and he's talking to himself. Now open your mind up and listen to me. Kendrick.

[Julian]

That is a little M. I'm unconscious.

[Nico Brim]

If you do not hear me that you will be. That's. That's M, right?

[Julian]

Fine.

[Nico Brim]

All day, you know, like. Like, yo, when you think about it, he's heav heavy in Kendrick's direct influence. When you hear him rapping, like.

[Julian]

Yeah, but.

[Nico Brim]

But here's what I will say though. Am I like in like, am I bumping M?

[Julian]

No, no one is.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Outside of like lose yourself on a gym playlist.

[Julian]

No one's bumping. It's not a thing. No one plays that shit, yo.

[Nico Brim]

And. And one. Nah, you're right, bro. I'm not even gonna lie. You're not lying.

[Julian]

Sorry. I'm about to get.

[Nico Brim]

No, no, no. Like, what you're saying is these are things that I've said. Like, I feel you, but I do. It's one of those things that I could still respect it. Like, you want to know what M is kind of like, just from like, a. Like, a bravado perspective. Like, what his name means in the game. Like a Tim Duncan, almost. Like. Like, you're one of the Goats, but niggas just don't really bring you up all the way. But, like, when you look like he's Mr. Technical, like, EM is a technique. Like smorgasbord whores and chords moises, you know, like, he can rhyme words. Like, he can do.

[Julian]

He just says a lot of shit, but he's not saying anything. That's kind of like.

[Nico Brim]

Stan is kind of crazy, though, too. Like.

[Julian]

No, he has great songs. He has those, like, titular moments that are like, oh, my God, that was amazing. But, like, his bad is. Yeah, like, his last album. Come on, bro. His last. His last ten albums.

[Nico Brim]

I mean, the last one, J.I.D. was. Was cool on there because you like.

[Julian]

J I D. Yeah, I did.

[Nico Brim]

I'm not gonna lie. I don't make it through M's verse that often.

[Julian]

The way I picture Eminem is like. He'd walk into this room and look around and just like, he. I feel like he's the way you, like, scan for, like, the fatty inspector. He scans objects, and he would just be like pot and soil, like rotten oil. Rotten oil? Yeah, yeah. Baking soda flipping dominova. Fashion nova. Like, you just say. It's like, dude, what are you. Are you just reading? Like, what are you saying?

[Nico Brim]

But that's my thing, too, with M2 is, like, sometimes there's no content in it, you know?

[Julian]

Like, there's no substance.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, there's no substance. Like, when he. When he does have substance, I feel like he cooks, you know? You know, my boy is the leader of the Eminem Academy right here.

[Julian]

Carson, mind you, is the one white guy in the room, so you already stick your hand in frame. Let him see. Look at that.

[Nico Brim]

Yo. You feel me? So, like, yo. But. But, yeah. Not like, I'm not. I'm not necessarily listening to M all the time, but, bro, I do think that Eminem's one of the Goats and he's somebody that's like, yo, if. When. When you hear what he's doing, when he's doing it at a high level, you gotta respect it.

[Julian]

Yeah. Anyone that does something in an art form that long, that successfully, I don't care how bad it is, you have to risk. But because it's so difficult to be.

[Nico Brim]

Relevant, you want to know too well how I do the goat, right?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Back to the. The sports. Yeah, the sports is the easiest way, you know? Yeah. It's like the. The other thing I know the best, right? So, like, yo, when you. When I look at. Who's a goat, I look at them. I. And I don't always look at their. Like, their tenure of how long they played. But think about, like, if you had an ultimate team, right?

[Julian]

Okay.

[Nico Brim]

I'm talking about 99, Eminem on his best day. Like, if you have that Eminem, bro, okay, he's walling like he's going crazy now. If you look at him, if you try to play with Eminem on, like, Blacktop, maybe he's not a 99 overall. Maybe he's a 90. Yeah, but he had a day, though.

[Julian]

He's got it.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Like, he's capable of doing that, though. Like, he's done it at some point. You feel me?

[Julian]

Like, kind of, like, maybe not a right. I'm thinking, like, kind of like a Draymond, where it's like.

[Nico Brim]

But Draymond's not as good.

[Julian]

Why he's not. I feel like that's a miss, like. But it's like Draymond is. I can't.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, and Draymond, I with you, bro, because you got heart. But Draymond and M, bro.

[Julian]

But people look at Draymond, it's like he's going. The way people talk about him, you'd think he is like, an M. M in this situation where it's like, he's a first ballad hall of Famer. Like, he's doing. It's like he's the glue of that Golden State team.

[Nico Brim]

It's like, is he, like, really we talking? Come on, we gotta say someone like Tim Hakeem Elijah one, maybe. Like, it got to be a certain level, bro. He's still like, yo, outside of Mac Miller. What space?

[Julian]

Shout out, Mac.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, shout out, Mac. What space was there left for a white rapper after M. That's. That's big body in your lane. Like. Like, you know, like, it was Yellow Wolf. Oh, like.

[Julian]

Well, one of his pro. That was his. That's his fault.

[Nico Brim]

That is. That is.

[Julian]

That was in direct and descended.

[Nico Brim]

So all Right. So curry shoots from 32ft out, right? Yeah, he shoots from 32ft out. And now you got these young kids, sixth grade, shooting from 32ft out. They're a product of Curry. And yes, some of those kids play like, yo, this is bullshit. But the person who's going to get it, like a Kendrick, like a nigga who gets it, ends up taking that and going ballistic with it.

[Julian]

Sure. I think you skipped over someone that often gets overlooked in the white rap category because of his entry point, Asher Roth. He had the college rap shit, that one.

[Nico Brim]

I thought you were gonna say Macklemore.

[Julian]

No. What? No.

[Nico Brim]

When I was eight, I thought I was.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. His dad is trans in third grade. What'd he say?

[Nico Brim]

I don't know.

[Julian]

Like, it's like his version when Kendrick said, would you believe if I told you at 16? And like, Kendrick. But then Mackmore is like, would you believe I told you at 16 I chopped my dick off.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. It's like, bro, keep that.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Nico Brim]

Actually, let me show love, bro. Hold on.

[Julian]

You scared of Seattle? No, but I think, like, Astroth had like, a pivot to, like, jazzy. I'm a jazz nerd. And he did a tape with. I think it was with ninth. I think he had. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Wow. I don't know.

[Julian]

I know he has a tape with Drama, but I'm pretty sure he did a tape with ninth as well.

[Nico Brim]

A ninth tape and a gangster grills.

[Julian]

He's got Mick Asher's mixtapes. That's the thing. People don't know them because they didn't, like, go crazy in the streets, you know, about.

[Nico Brim]

You know about him. What about Logic?

[Julian]

No. Okay. Do you like Logic?

[Nico Brim]

I thought Under Pressure was a really good album.

[Julian]

Okay. Like, everyone's got a. Yeah, here we go.

[Nico Brim]

Everyone's got a good album. That's what you're gonna say?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I don't know. Can we. Can we say that objectively?

[Julian]

Well, like, if you're relevant, you. Everyone has, like, a good. Your entry point's always going to be good is kind of what I'm saying.

[Nico Brim]

I mean, but we just talked about bum who make it and have bums have, like.

[Julian]

I'm trying to.

[Nico Brim]

Album, though. Bums have good songs. Bums don't have good albums.

[Julian]

Oh, well, I don't think that. Albums I don't listen to. Like, I don't think I'm fair to say the album's great, cuz I don't know that. I know the project was good. It was well received. Yeah. It's called Vegetables. So, you know, another former pussy inspector, but it was ninth wonder he inspects pussy. I'm, you know, I'm just looking at the fact served. Fargo. Look at that. It's a great little cover. I'll send. This is a good Asherah. Underrated white boy. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know, I haven't really listened to him too much. I like the I Love College, I Love Drinking song. Thought that was hard. I'm trying to give him. I'm trying to give him his props. Like, I heard that. But after that, it wasn't really, you know. Yeah, it was crickets. Your mgk. And M was kind of crazy too.

[Julian]

Mgk, Smoke, Smoked. Oh, how you feel about that? Look at you. Tight.

[Nico Brim]

No, it's. No way. Not my goat.

[Julian]

But old Eminem, he said new and M sucks all them. Come on, Old Eminem. That's my point with Em. It's like he's been asked for over 15 years. It's like, when do we. When do we realize, like, stop, stop, dude, you don't have to do this. That's kind of where I'm at with like. And that's the thing with art. It's like, at least in. At least in sports to. Again, we're going to go down the sports bet. At least sports make you retire because physically, at some point you can't keep up and the demand is too much on your body.

[Nico Brim]

Nobody will be playing like trash for 10 years and still be on it.

[Julian]

You can't. Yeah, it's like either. Either. Even if you are a goat, you have to retire because your body gives up. Or if you're a bum, they'll force you out of the league. Yeah, rap is. It's too subjective. Like, you can always sign Label Hop or just go independent and, you know, live off your fan base. And it's like, kudos to you. If that's your career, that's awesome. But like, sometimes people just need to walk away or just. It's hard. Like, how do you tell somebody to stop creating art doing what they love? That's kind of like. I feel like a dick saying that. But I don't know if I'm an artist. Maybe it's artist delusion. If I'm an artist, and I know I'm washed, my good stuff's way past me. Wouldn't you want your career, your body of work, to be the part that lives beyond you instead of constantly trying to chase a moment that you know you're well beyond that you're way past?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I definitely will want to throw in the towel, like, that's me. I don't, I don't want to. I don't want to have the legacy of like bumming it out at the end like that.

[Julian]

Yeah, seems lazy.

[Nico Brim]

Like, yo, ideally bro, like you, you would want to retire like after you get your ring or you have your Grammy or like your high level moment. But it's like the same thing with gambling, bro. When you get that high level moment, you're like, I could do it again. I could do it again. Yeah, you're kind of like chasing that high. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

And that even is. It stems to the, the highest levels of rap. So if you take a Kendrick that we, that we've been mentioning a few times, if you take someone like Kendrick, how he can't go higher than where he currently is.

[Nico Brim]

You don't think?

[Julian]

So what's next, like, for. I'm. I'm serious. Like, what is. What could he possibly do that would be bigger than the sun, than the year he just had?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I don't. I can't see that one. I. I don't have the, the, the. The vision for that. I feel you. But I, I'm sure he, him and his team are probably thinking about something.

[Julian]

Like you got to like get the kids Drake touch, like to do the hook. Like, I don't know, like, it's like, it was like, what more can you do?

[Nico Brim]

Yo, you want to know what he could do, bro? Is if he comes with a, if he comes with a. Like another classic. Because Mr. Morale was, was not received as like this undeniable classic.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And then gnx, right. We all are kind of looking at it almost like a mixtape.

[Julian]

It is standard by the day came out. I'll say it again. It's a mixtape.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So.

[Nico Brim]

So I feel like him coming with like a classic album that, like, that like gets into the culture like those albums we were talking about. I think if he does that again, because you got to think like right now, like, if you're just thinking about all the hip hop, like there's like, there's very few people that have a three album run like he had. You know what I'm saying? I include Mr. Morale. I think it's a great album and I think the production on it was super unique. And Fire reminds me like a Basquiat type of painting. Like, you know, like, so you would.

[Julian]

Say, damn, what was the three. Three in a row.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, they had. So I seen somebody Saying good kid, pimp and Damn. I think Section 80 as a debut is incredible, too.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

So I give him that. So I'll say four. I feel like, yo, once he gets into that level where he has five plus, that's when you get into, like, serious goal conversation. Because your four years, bro, it's like your freshman, sophomore, junior. Your senior.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Once you can be, like, a super senior.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Like, HOV has so many of those. Like, you know what I'm saying? He. We could say seven HOV albums that are great.

[Julian]

Kanye's. Kanye's album Run is.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Before, like, yeah, Loki might be the best album.

[Julian]

I mean, let's do the. We got College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, My Beautiful dark, twisted fantasy.

[Nico Brim]

808. So heartbreak.

[Julian]

808. Sorry. 808, heartbreak, beautiful darkness. That's five in a row. Just smacks.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Jesus.

[Nico Brim]

Like, Life of Pablo.

[Julian]

Life of Pablo. And then I would stop there. Yeah, I would stop there, too. What was that? Seven?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, that was seven. Yeah. And Life of Pablo, too, was like. I feel like even there, he had, like, little glimpse of moments where I seen, like, some of the, like, the.

[Julian]

Decline, like, a little bit. It was.

[Nico Brim]

That was, like, the production on. It was, like, crazy, though.

[Julian]

He convinced us all that the whole point of that album was to be, like, a living, always evolving body of art. Remember, like, he would change the drums on a week later, a month later, he'd actually swapped a little bit of the artwork. It's like, are you doing this because you think, like, this is the actual vision? Are you doing it because you were lazy and you're just kind of playing catch up?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. I mean, I think that he was doing it really to be, like, creative. I think that, yeah, his mind is, like, super unique. He's the only person that thinks the way that he thinks. But when you. When the way you explain, it makes sense, bro. A body of work that is growing and evolving with the person, which is, like, in a way, when people make mistakes now with shit that they upload on streaming and YouTube, you can replace the file and get, like, your new versions up and stuff like that. And I think that we would. We were living in a time where he wanted to be one of the first artists. Like, yo, sure, you. It could grow with you in real time while you have it.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Nico Brim]

He comes from a CD era. Like, you know how older people are, like. Like, they love the new things you can do, and they, like, try to take full advantage of.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Like, why do all the OG niggas love Emojis and shit like that.

[Julian]

It's weird.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I mean? Like, they go emoji crazy, bro, but they never could. They never could do that.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

So for them, it's like they don't.

[Julian]

Know how to express themselves outside of emojis.

[Nico Brim]

So he's like, yo, like, I don't have to have this in a cd. Like, I could change the other versions of this song. You can hear them with me. That probably was exciting for someone.

[Julian]

But then I will say my counter to that would be because this is where I was going with, like, the changing thing. I gave him grace on the life of Pablo because of how great that album was.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And then Yay comes out, and remember, he's like, that's on the whole Wyoming fucking trip that he's on. And he takes the COVID art photo for that album on the way to the listening party from the. From the black. The black car. He takes his phone, snaps a photo, and that's the COVID And he thought that was, like, the coolest thing, and other people thought those coolest thing. And I was like, for someone like Kanye, that used to be so meticulous and in hand in every process, down from every snare kick to the artwork to the fashion to the creative direction, that, to me, doesn't seem like Kanye. That seems lazy. And I feel like you're using that laziness as an exc. Like, you're using this, like, freedom of it's the now and the bad to, like, excuse your lack of hunger that you always used to show us on every project that you put out. And I think it was reflected in the music. Yay. Sucked. Yeah, you fucking sucked. And then he put out shit albums after that, and I was like. And then he's like, I love Hitler. And I'm like, cool, dude. Like, what does that have to do with anything?

[Nico Brim]

What are you.

[Julian]

He's going crazy. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

He's going.

[Julian]

If he came up to you and said, I want to work with you, would you work with him?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I would. Keep it real. Keep it real, though. Hey, my name is gonna be on that song if Kanye asked me.

[Julian]

Yeah. But with his track record, he won't get publishing.

[Nico Brim]

That is cool, bro.

[Julian]

Is it?

[Nico Brim]

It's like. It's got, like, yo. Like, if you was doing an R B album and R. Kelly don't bring up. You're not getting the verse from R. Kelly.

[Julian]

Maybe because I'm not an artist that I don't have that attachment to like that. But no, I wouldn't Give R. Kelly a verse.

[Nico Brim]

You would not give R. Kelly. No, you giving R. Kelly a verse.

[Julian]

Bro, we're looking off camera to see if they would give R. Kelly ever.

[Nico Brim]

I'm. I'm giving R. Kelly. I'm giving. If. If he comes to me, like, I'm not saying. I'm like, am I searching for R. Kelly? But if R. Kelly's like, yo, like, maybe why he calls me from.

[Julian]

What's your jpeg?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, right. I put money on his jpeg. He's like, yo, I with you. I got this. You didn't hit the. The remix he did to Chris Brown's residuals.

[Julian]

What? No, he.

[Nico Brim]

He dropped. He dropped a remix, bro. It was. It was real reason, probably the last month.

[Julian]

Okay, so.

[Nico Brim]

So I'm assuming Jail phone.

[Julian]

So Tori. Tori's out. Same deal with him?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, for sure. Look, I look at it like this, bro. Like, I don't. I feel like there's a certain threshold that, like. All right, if you cross that, you know, like, I. I understand, but the art is the art, you know? And I do like to have that space and for people to just be like. You know, to have good art, like, just. He already made it. It's good.

[Julian]

Like, no, but we're not talking about shit they already made. You're saying you would go and give them, like, new art. You would give them verses. That's, like, now art, knowing what they did. That's what I'm saying.

[Nico Brim]

So I.

[Julian]

So, I mean, if you feel that, that's fine. I'm not trying to change your opinion, but I'm just saying it's different than you appreciating. I believe I could fly versus you. Like, yo, I'm gonna send you these stems right after you done peeing on that girl.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, my God. Yo, yo, yo. But, yo, bro, to that point, right? All right, so I get the verse. Now it's. It's on me if it comes out. But I definitely want to be able to say, like, I have a song with R. Kelly. If he wants to give me a verse. Like, does it go out to the public? Maybe not. I feel.

[Julian]

Then what would the point of that be?

[Nico Brim]

To say that I created a song with R. Kelly. I do. Like, that's like saying, like, yo, if. Back to the ball analogy, bro. We. If we play Warm up with Colby, it's like, well, it's not the game. I don't give a fuck if it's the game. I'm in a gym with Kobe. I'm in a gym.

[Julian]

Very different.

[Nico Brim]

No gym with Kels.

[Julian]

Yeah, but that's so different. You took it too old. That analogy does not work.

[Nico Brim]

Yes, it does, because it doesn't go to the public. If you get to work with somebody who's great at work.

[Julian]

We're not talking about you working with them in private. We're talking about what they did that makes them a bad person.

[Nico Brim]

No, I'm not talking about that. I'm saying in general, because, like, I may not drop the song is what I'm saying. And I said. And I said, I might keep. You said, well, what's the point of that? I said, yo, because I got to do the record with him. Like. Like, I. Bro, you got to think, like, if. If. If someone drops seven albums worth of songs, you know how many songs you've actually recorded that don't come out. You're like, yo, like, the average rapper might have 5,000 songs.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

In their career, and you might have dropped 200 of those songs. Yeah.

[Julian]

I mean, we've seen a lot of.

[Nico Brim]

Music that you're not dropping. So I'm like, bro, if I had a song with R. Kelly, that nigga gave me a verse. It may not come out, but that's in my catalog. That's like, if I pull up on you again, I'm like, yo, bro, you're not going to believe this shit. And I'm playing.

[Julian]

I mean, I'd want to hear it. I'd be curious. I'd be curious.

[Nico Brim]

That nigga did Trapped in the Closet, bro. How many parts of that was there? 8.

[Julian]

No, it was more.

[Nico Brim]

What? Bro, it was hundreds, bro. Look up.

[Julian]

How many trapped in the closet, bro?

[Nico Brim]

There. There's. I feel like there's like. Like 90 something, bro. Like, how many trapped in the closets?

[Julian]

All right, let's see. 33 chapters.

[Nico Brim]

33.

[Julian]

God damn. All right. J.K. rowling, bro.

[Nico Brim]

33 chapters, bro. This guy, you know, step. Step side to side. What he did was. Was forever terrible. I would never co. Sign it. He's a legend, though.

[Julian]

And he can talk about a multitasker because he was doing some sick shit, but he still put out 33 chapters. That's a lot. That's a work ethic. No, that's your man. You rocking with him. Yo, he released 22 chapters in between 2005 and 2007. Damn.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro. You listen to it all together, bro. It's like a movie.

[Julian]

I don't think I've listened to it in its entirety. In one. In one. Like, I think you should shroom and.

[Nico Brim]

You should listen to that.

[Julian]

You take shrooms?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, I do.

[Julian]

Oh, well, we gotta do shrooms at some point, but we're not listening to Trump. You don't want to lock in and just listen to. We can live stream it. That'd be great. Come on. They said Kai. They say Kai's got a cool stream.

[Nico Brim]

You. I'm not going to lie, though. That.

[Julian]

That would actually be sick. 33 trappers, yo. You got what? You come out a different man from that experience.

[Nico Brim]

That's crazy, bro.

[Julian]

Damn. That's a boot camp right there, bro.

[Nico Brim]

That's that lock in.

[Julian]

But if you do want to watch R. Kelly, I'm not going.

[Nico Brim]

That content piece is kind of hilarious, bro. I went to college for a semester, okay? And I was in this room and everybody was smoking weed. We siphon and. And then, like, they brought the binders out. They brought the coke binders out to start doing the coke.

[Julian]

Coke binder.

[Nico Brim]

I thought it was like a coke term or something like that.

[Julian]

What is that?

[Nico Brim]

You never. You never. You never put. You never lined your coke up on a binder?

[Julian]

On a binder? No, I did. Like an iPad.

[Nico Brim]

Like a note notebook.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah. I mean, like. You mean just literally a binder? Like a physical.

[Nico Brim]

But they were calling them coke binders. Oh.

[Julian]

Because they used them for. No, I would have. I mean, I got a glass table right there, bro. I mean, that's. That or mirrors. I have a lot of these mirror art things. I'm just, like, staring at stuff I used to snort off of and then like an iPad, like, you know, whatever.

[Nico Brim]

But, yeah, not it. So I'm finished smoking, bro. They pull out these binders and then they just started crushing the coke. And I didn't try any. I ended up leaving. But, like, that was like, I had, like, people in my family that was like, you know, dealing with, like, addiction and, like, cokes. Like, I had seen coke before, but, like, that was the first time I had, like, seen my peers, like, doing coke.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I didn't really, like, you know, like. Like coke wasn't, like, the main thing. Like, was doing a lot of weed. And then that turned into, like, perks.

[Julian]

And, like, that never had a pill pays phase. Never got into it. Always scared me. I was always scared of.

[Nico Brim]

I broke my hand. And when I had broke my. My hand, they had given me perks.

[Julian]

Oh.

[Nico Brim]

And I took. I probably took one at some point just to see what it was about, but I never really got into it. I tried lean before. I wasn't really about nothing. I didn't even.

[Julian]

Never tried when I. When I was in college, I mentioned the track earlier. I tore my patella tendon in my. My left leg, my jumping knee, and had surgery. Part of the recovery was, you know, perks. My mom. I'm on college campus. I was in school in Pennsylvania. My mom's like, hey, what'd they give you? Like, curiousness to know what they prescribed you? I'm like, oh. Like. And I'm like, a nerd when it comes to drugs. I didn't know at that time. I was 17. It wasn't perched. It was oxy. I was like, there's an oxycodone. Whatever. She goes, interesting. She goes, do me a favor. Hide those in your drawer and just leave them alone. I was like, yeah, but, like, I'm in a lot of pain. Like, this is what they told me to say. She's like, go get extra strength Tylenol. And she's like. And suck it up. And I didn't take any of that. And. And I'm thankful that my mom was like that, because I know a lot of guys are addicted to pills. Lost a couple of friends of that shit. But it's like the pill side of things always scared me because it's just like, it's a super drug. It was made in a lab. Like, these aren't. These aren't real things.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. That's how I feel with a lot of that shit. Like, I stick to weed and shrooms because you can grow.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I mean? Like, if I can't grow it, if it was made in a lab, I'm cool off all of that shit. Like. Like promethazine and just. That name is just crazy. Like.

[Julian]

Yeah, who the name that.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, yeah. Promethazine is nuts.

[Julian]

Like, Gucci, man named it.

[Nico Brim]

I see coding. Yo, my man Gucci, he turned his life around, bro. That used to have to mean the crazy guy. What?

[Julian]

I don't. I. I'm glad. Lean isn't a thing so much in the north, but in the south, like, that lean gut is like.

[Nico Brim]

It's real, bro.

[Julian]

Jesus.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, you don't really see the league. Lean gut like that. A lot of in New York, if you're doing lean, I feel like, for the most part, it was insane. Inspired by shit going on in the South. It's not, like, as prevalent. I feel like in New York, you're gonna see a lot of, like, perks and shit like that.

[Julian]

Did you ever watch this show Painkiller?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Facts. I did that shit was Crazy.

[Julian]

One of my favorite, like, historical dramas. What was it? Hulu?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Or Netflix. Netflix. Netflix. If you're not. If you haven't seen. We're talking about. It's called Painkillers, about the Sackler family who created oxy and basically ran the best marketing campaign of all time and pumped that into every vein of every American and created the opioid epidemic. But this, like, this, like, I remember before, obviously, this happened. This came out in 2023. My mom, like, scared me when I was like, a kid when I was in college or even younger, about the addiction, pill addiction and all that stuff. I was like, okay, I guess I'll never touch these things. So I just never even thought, like, it was never in my path of. So.

[Nico Brim]

But, like, you didn't. You didn't like, like, the equivalent to that, like, wasn't coke to you? Like, you didn't put those in the same group?

[Julian]

I don't know what happened. Yeah, No. I don't know. It makes no sense. I'm fucking nuts because I'm like, even.

[Nico Brim]

Like, not even be like, this is like your nose. Like, that shit probably feels crazy. So it's like.

[Julian]

What's funny is, like, when I was younger, like, the getting a shot, like, needles ingesting. So I was always like, no, never, like, icky. Then, you know, go to college and you just see everyone's doing it. And I'm not like the biggest, like, crack to peer pressure guy, but I was like, I. Like, they look like they're having so much more fun. And, like, I'm not like, the thrill of, like, the nose thing. I was. I had just. You just kind of have to get over it. But then, I don't know, it's just like, I would never encourage someone to start doing coke. Especially now. It's all like, shitty stepped on and like, you know, fentanyl laced. But, like, if you did it and you understand it, I, like, there's a conversation that can be had. Is like, it is I think the best draw, I think still.

[Nico Brim]

But I know that's your real life, so I'm not.

[Julian]

Bro, please. It's. I'm fine.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro. Who are some of your goats, bro? From, like, our hip hop or favorites?

[Julian]

Like, that's a great question. I mean, I grew up like, Kanye was my. Like, that's my.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, wow.

[Julian]

Yeah, I got that after the swastika. Nah, he said, oh, nice.

[Nico Brim]

Nice.

[Julian]

Sick. I. I was a Kanye kid. Like, that was that whole mentality. It's that Kobe mindset. It's like, everyone tells me no, and just watch me bully my way into this industry where no one wants me here. Like that to me, was, nobody wants you here, bro. No, I'm not saying for me, literally, I mean, like, well, I didn't come from. I mean, honestly, unlike you little Nepo baby over here, I didn't. Like, I didn't. I didn't have any family in the music industry. I didn't have anybody that, like, I had no inroad. So when I wanted to pivot into to music, obviously not as artists, I was like, I don't know what that looks like. What does it mean to be a record label? What does it even mean to work at a record label? Yeah, I don't know what that means. I don't know what jobs are at a record label. So I just didn't have those inroads. And everything seems so unobtainable. And even before I knew I wanted to go down this career path, I was like. I just like, how Kanye carried himself, like, in every room he was in. You could tell how hungry he was and how much he believed in himself. So Kanye, shit. I'm trying to think of, like, when I was younger. Younger, I loved. Well, Dipset, when I was in middle school, Dipset was so.

[Nico Brim]

So you. So you didn't grow up with having those connections, but were you into hip hop?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

So, like, right. So for me, right, because I was born into this shit, like, I don't have a moment where, like, I fell in love with hip hop. It was.

[Julian]

It was just.

[Nico Brim]

It was always there, like. Like, your mom's here, you know, same moment you meet your mom. Like, hip hop was in a similar.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah. No, well, I'm just trying to remember, like, moments. It was like, when I was. I mean, that's. That was everything I remember specifically, what gave me the ability to become, like my own be for to have hip hop become a means of discovery for me was when LimeWire became a thing. Thing.

[Nico Brim]

Okay.

[Julian]

And I convinced my parents to get a computer and then have a computer. No. And then.

[Nico Brim]

Damn. Yeah.

[Julian]

I mean, I was. Oh. I mean, I'm old.

[Nico Brim]

Like, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

[Julian]

Yeah. Like, no, I weren't a thing. Like, I remember 9 11, and then.

[Nico Brim]

See, I. I don't remember 9 11, but I'm a 911 survivor, though.

[Julian]

You were there?

[Nico Brim]

No, no, I mean, I was in New York. But I was gonna say. I was gonna say. I do. I do remember it to a certain extent. Let me not say that, but. But, like, not like, how everyone else is. Like, I remember exactly what I was.

[Julian]

Yeah. Now, like, oh, my God, the tower.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. I just feel like. Like, oh, like, you got to stay home, you know? Some happened.

[Julian]

Yeah. The blueprint dropped that day, which is crazy. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Another great album. We could hope. We could go through seven albums, too, but, you know, that's, I guess, for.

[Julian]

Another time, for sure. No, but, like, limewire became a thing, and I remember, like, I remember discovering Kanye on my own. I remember discovering Black Star. I remember, like, figuring out all these older artists or, like, these moments that were happening that, you know, my peers weren't aware of and just using LimeWire to, like, create my custom playlists.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. And you want to know, too, like, because you back on the. Yay.

[Julian]

Shit.

[Nico Brim]

I wanted to say this from before, when you were talking about how he used to be, like, super attention to detail. I think it also, like, it gets to a point too, where, like, maybe you master that and you. You do that so well for such a long period of time that, like, when your perspective shifts, you kind of just got to work with, like, the new. The new version of yourself kind of way. You know what I mean? And it's like, when you done did it so much like that, it's like, well, let me challenge myself as an artist to creep, to maximize the output of the random moments of inspiration that I get. I've been so dialed in for so long that it's like I kind of may not even find the inspiration in that space.

[Julian]

Yeah. And it's hard to, like, the more successful you get, the more life becomes easier in, like, accessibility. It's really hard to remain inspired because you can be the person that goes from the private jet to the car to the hotel to the whatever. Like, you don't. Where are you really experiencing life beyond, you know, everything being handed to you.

[Nico Brim]

And you want to know where he found it when he did that motherfucking Swastika Klux outfit and he was living.

[Julian]

Like, if you had to wear one of the colors he put out, which one would you wear?

[Nico Brim]

Like, if I had to choose one of those.

[Julian]

Yeah, you'd get the Knicks colorway. The blue robe with the yellow or the orange top.

[Nico Brim]

If I'm. If I'm doing that, I'm going on the all black. Like, I'm. I'm.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's a clean look. And maybe, like, when it gets dark out enough, people don't know, like, they can't see it.

[Nico Brim]

Bro, that killed me with the I'm evil. Did you see that part?

[Julian]

Yeah, he's like, I'm evil, dude. The way they even were, like, standing in that. And he's so. I love how awkward he is. Yeah, he's really so awkward.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, he's really like, bro, he's a. He's a movie. Like, he's. He's a walking movie. Like, I don't. I don't even know how he even thinks to take it to these places. Like, I. That's what I'd be, like, shocked about. I'm like, yo, your mind thought of that? You said, yo, let me put a swastika on a chain and then do an interview in a black kkk.

[Julian]

He iced out both sides of the swastika.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, bro. Like, and then. And then he was talking about, like, you know, like, people that. That he felt like, you know, they profit off of our pain and stuff. He's trying to make certain points, which is like, you know, to a certain extent, I. I hear that he has a plight to pick with a particular group of people, but I'm like, bro, at the end of the day, though, you don't ever fight fire with fire.

[Julian]

And that's also not an excuse to be anti Semitic.

[Nico Brim]

You get what I'm saying? Like, I should never be able to because I feel like somebody did something or whatever that I get to pull at the roots of, like, yeah, the, you know, genocides that have happened against people. Like, that's not really, like, the way.

[Julian]

All right, Nico, it's time for voicemails. For those that do not know, maybe your first time here, call this number, 877557SWWP to get in contact with me, your intrusive thought therapist. Now, today I have help, so let's see if Nico and I can give some amazing advice today.

[Nico Brim]

Hey, Julian.

[Julian]

So I'm just Colin, because I've always had a really bad history with, like, dating. So I got married right out of high school and ended up getting cheated on. And when she left me, I ended up losing my house, my dog and everything. And she ended up leaving me for one of my groomsmen. And my most recent relationship that ended ended because she committed domestic violence and called the police on herself and tried to claim I was doing it to her. So that one ended. And now I'm actually talking to someone that's supportive. And I'm having a lot of anxiety trying to accept that someone is not gonna do something negative to me. And, yeah, I'll just learn some advice. And I appreciate it. Love the podcast and really hope it goes far and it keeps growing. Appreciate you, man. Oh, no. I feel like an God.

[Nico Brim]

Oh.

[Julian]

So that's a lot going on. Hold on.

[Nico Brim]

So she was beating herself and then calling the police.

[Julian]

No, I think she was violent to him and then called the police on herself and then tried to blame him as the violent one. That. Well, let's go marriage by marriage here. First marriage, married out of high school. Tough look. Just off jump.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Julian]

That's too early to call it quits.

[Nico Brim]

Absolutely.

[Julian]

He got cheated on, which I would assume most high school relationships end in that. When she left, this is what sucks as. Yeah, he lost the home, the dog, and she left him for one of his own groomsmen.

[Nico Brim]

No, but, like, hey, yo, like, you lost the house, the dog and everything. It's like, the house and dog is not.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Nico Brim]

Like, damn. You lost everything. For real. All right. But she ended up leaving him for his groomsman.

[Julian]

So let's talk. Let's start.

[Nico Brim]

That's like a. That's like a. Like, it. It's a dissension, like, throughout this whole situation. Like, it starts.

[Julian]

Cool.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Yeah. Then it's like doing. Let's take it a step further, bro. I got cheated on, bros. Take a step further. She took my house, my dog, and everything separate of my house and my.

[Julian]

Dog, and she was cheating on me with one. One of my mans.

[Nico Brim]

Like, my groomsman. I'm like, yo, bro, what would you.

[Julian]

Do in that situation? Obviously, I'm assuming he's not friends with this guy anymore. Unless he's like. Unless he likes. Unless he's, like, a cuck or something.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And if you're a cuck, you're weird. I would say.

[Julian]

Thank you for calling that.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. But thank you for calling. I hope it works out. Yeah, yeah. Now. But I would say, bro, for me, I'm. I'm definitely not fighting over it, because she made her choice. She gave up, you know, the pussy to somebody else who was my man's. So it's like I'm just looking at, like, I got to throw that whole situation away. I don't really even know how to deal with it because I've never. I would have never gotten married out of high school.

[Julian]

True. You know, same.

[Nico Brim]

I've probably been cheated on multiple times. I just don't know. Women are really good at keeping that shit to themselves, you know, Saying that.

[Julian]

Is a very unique, refreshing take, because a lot of guys are always like, my would never around me. It's like, that's just not true, bro.

[Nico Brim]

She was sucking your dick.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yes, exactly.

[Nico Brim]

Like, so you're not, you're not, you're.

[Julian]

Not the magical guy.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. You're not the magical people. You don't have the magic.

[Julian]

The magic sticks 50, bro.

[Nico Brim]

Like, you don't have that. Like, and it's like for me, it's like I don't even try to go down that rabbit hole. I'm like, yo, like, they got desires. Like we got desires. Might be going on. If I don't know about it, it's cool, you know, I don't want to know. My boy Donnell Jones said. But right. So boom. So that happened. So off that I'm done. Like, I'm probably chilling off of. I'm turning a coke. You know what I'm saying? I'm.

[Julian]

Yeah, I need a break. I take a timeout.

[Nico Brim]

I'm turning it all the way up.

[Julian]

I wouldn't even get a new dog. I would just like chill, maybe travel.

[Nico Brim]

Are you chilling or do you want to be with your thoughts in that?

[Julian]

How do you. I'm a sicko. Sometimes I like to sit in the, in the, like the pain state and just like think about all thinking. Because I like to think about all the shit that led me to that.

[Nico Brim]

Ball to the dog.

[Julian]

For real though, I turn on that trap in the closet, lock it up. I like to think about sometimes, like, I got done dirty by this girl once a few years ago. I. I was in my boy's wedding in France. I never said. It's whatever, it doesn't matter. Fuck it. And I was at my boys wedding in France and the whole time I was out there, I was like, damn, I wish you were here. It'd be so romantic. Like, I'm here. Dolo. All my friends at this age are all married. Like, they're all booed up and I'm just there like for two weeks single, which I had a great time. But it was like, would have been nice to have now seeing this girl, lo and behold, the whole time she was back here in New York trying to suck everybody's dick and like sliding into dms of dudes that I know and I'm getting like screenshots and, and I like eventually come back home, enjoy my time out there. But coming home and like, give her the opportunity to confess she didn't press her about it. Make this whole thing, never talk to her again. But I don't know why I brought that up a point.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, offering to suck dick through the dm but it's crazy.

[Julian]

Then in my mind, I'm like, how lame is she that they're like, nah. I'm like, who just says no to yo? Like, who? You know what I mean?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, who am I?

[Julian]

Like, so. So that's my point. It's like I said. I sit with the L and then reevaluate myself. Like, I don't want a distraction. I really want to look at myself in the mirror and be like, a, what led you to trust this person and think that she was better than she is? And B, why are you attracted to someone like that? Because they don't even want to hit, and she's offering it to them for, like, free. Like, I'm like, what is wrong with me that led me to this point?

[Nico Brim]

Bro, they're offering. She's offering. What? Dick sucks in the dm. That's like. Like, bro, like, you want to talk about promo? Like that.

[Julian]

That's good promo.

[Nico Brim]

She's going crazy. Like, imagine you're chilling on your. Your phone in your dm, and this a real legit.

[Julian]

Not even at a discount. Just for the love of the game, yo.

[Nico Brim]

Just for the love. Like, I really.

[Julian]

Just to get some reps. She's like.

[Nico Brim]

She really does this? She. She probably chewing on something right now. Keeping. Keeping that, most likely. Yo, what happened? The next one. Shorty was hitting him.

[Julian]

Okay, next one? Yeah, this one's a little worse.

[Nico Brim]

Okay, so not.

[Julian]

Well, is it? Because, I mean. I mean, who's this girl? Like, Clarissa or, like, who's he?

[Nico Brim]

You get what I'm saying? Because there's levels to that. Yeah.

[Julian]

Clarissa Shields. Like, is she swinging? Swinging? Or is she, like, one of them.

[Nico Brim]

Is, like, hurting your. Your internally. Like, you're internally.

[Julian]

Yes. That's good. We're looking at emotional pain versus physical pain.

[Nico Brim]

As a man, the physical pain may not be as bad as the emotional pain.

[Julian]

True.

[Nico Brim]

Because the physical pain, it clears up.

[Julian]

It heals. Okay, well, let's read this. My most recent relationship ended because she committed domestic violence. He didn't say to me, but we can assume. And called the police on herself, tried to claim that I was doing it to her. I'm confused because you said, was she hitting herself? Because you would think. If she's calling the police, then how is she showing them? What is that proof? Does she have a scratch? Does she have a black eye? Like, is she, like the bitch from Gone Girl that took a hammer and hit herself in the face? Remember that?

[Nico Brim]

But there was. There was a. I had a situation where this Girl wouldn't leave my house. And I was. Kept telling her to leave my crib. And she was like, she's gonna call the police. And I was like, what do you. You need to leave, though. Like, you need to leave my crib. Get the fuck out of my house.

[Julian]

I had a situation like this. I'll let you go first. Yo, my story's crazy, so I'm like.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, get out of my crib, bro. She's sit down at the dining room table with like, like, you know how your chairs like this, like, interlocked in the chair.

[Julian]

Oh. She's like, I'm not going nowhere. Damn.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Flagrant tuck, bro.

[Nico Brim]

And at the time this was going on, I was doing like this six month probation. So, like, if I had any running with. Yeah, it was done. So I'm like, so you're gonna use now out of all times? Like, bro, I've never.

[Julian]

She probably knew that.

[Nico Brim]

Never raised my hand to a woman in my life.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

That you're gonna use that now to stay in my house? Like, bro, get the fuck out.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

And she ended up leaving eventually. But yeah, bro, that was. So when. When I see that, I kind of. I know where. I know where you're coming from, bro. Because sometimes these women will try to use the law and use these things against you, and it's fucking crazy because now you're gambler with a man's freedom over argument. Bro, that's wild.

[Julian]

And in. It's like the. I don't want to feel like we're shitting on women, but it's like it goes both ways. Like there's a manipulative thing that they can do where it's like, if they call police and they. They say that I'm in danger.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

The police will always side with the woman in that situation, especially when it's a physical. The threat of physical violence.

[Nico Brim]

100%. And to your point, like, you know, and it's not even to shit on.

[Julian]

Women because, you know, just this bitch, honestly, your ex.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, fuck your ex.

[Julian]

We're just shitting on her.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, this bitch is. Is fucking crazy, you know what I'm saying? To all the women that really go through that and call people, we appreciate your bravery because, you know, a lot of women just go through that and they're afraid to come out. So the ones that are doing it, and there's real fucked up niggas out here that deserve to get the shit beat out of them because they're putting their hands on you. We salute you for Being brave enough to call. But this bitch is fucking crazy.

[Julian]

Women like this, that ruin it.

[Nico Brim]

You get what I'm saying?

[Julian]

Real victim.

[Nico Brim]

Those women should beat her ass. That should be the punishment for people who.

[Julian]

Actual victims.

[Nico Brim]

Actual victims get to fudge you up because you make it harder for actual victims to get just true. So they get to fudge you up.

[Julian]

That's not bad. Yeah. All right, so let's. Okay, well, well. Okay, well, we don't know how that I was actually doing it, so when that one ended. He didn't specify how that ended. I'm assuming he was able to evade whatever bullshit she was trying to put on him. Now he's talking to someone that's supportive. Okay. We're in rare air territory for you, buddy.

[Nico Brim]

My boy.

[Julian]

Doesn't happen much for you, it seems. I'm having a lot of anxiety. Rightfully so. Because in the past you've told us it hasn't gone well for you. I'm having. Trying to accept that someone is not going to do something negative to me. Okay. So now it seems like we went from emotional to physical. Now we're like, back in the mental space.

[Nico Brim]

PTSD type.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Nico Brim]

He's dealing with, like, cumulative trauma. Yeah.

[Julian]

And now he's like, what do I do? I have someone that I with. She's genuine, she's kind. But this is a. And I feel like most men, without having to go through all this, go through that. Is this too good to be true? Like, can women actually be this, you know, Awesome.

[Nico Brim]

I know, bro. For some like that, like, you need like, ayahuasca or, like. Yeah, he needs like a real. You need like a hardcore reset.

[Julian]

A reset.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Because you need to flip the switch.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro, you got to flip the switch in a major way, bro. Like, watch Limitless from like Bradley Cooper. You know what I mean? Like, you need some.

[Julian]

You need interstellar.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro. Like, you need to. But no, but to your point, like, he went to a parallel. Yeah, yeah, you need. You need some.

[Julian]

You know, everything everywhere all at once. Yeah, bro, you need to, like, cry.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, you definitely need a shroom trip to potentially, you want to know.

[Julian]

Now, you could join us on our.

[Nico Brim]

Shroom trip because of course we're going to keep all this. But let me just backtrack for one. I'm. I'm not trying to put you to drugs, bro, because I'm clearly. I'm recommending a lot of shit. You should not do that. What I'm really trying to get at is that this seems like, it's very layered and it's very intense for you, and so you have a hard time just trusting people. Rightfully so. I get it. But it's like you don't want to live in the past trauma, bro. Like, you're not here to heal. You're here to heal that old version of yourself, but you're not here to be that old version of yourself, bro. You're not next to your girl that was putting her hands on you. Right now you're with a girl who seems really supportive. And so you got to just work through it. Maybe get like a therapist or something.

[Julian]

That's what I would suggest.

[Nico Brim]

He was talking about therapy before. You know what I'm saying?

[Julian]

Before I fucked up the recording.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. You feel me? But I had booked my first therapy session. Something ended up happening on there and it ended up getting canceled. I'm gonna go to my first therapy session. But, bro, I encourage you to go to therapy too, because what you went through is not normal. Yes, probably. You're probably wearing it all over your face. It's dragging you down, bro. Start this new chapter of your life with new energy, bro. Like, you got a shorty that is levels ahead of all this other you're talking about, bro. So you may not even be in the space to really nurture that woman in that relationship. So before you it up, do the work on yourself, my boy. Okay, Doctor.

[Julian]

That was amazing. I don't know. I'm supposed to say some. That was great advice. No, I, I. Everything you said is completely right. And, and to. To your point, Nico? Well, to your point. And the caller. The caller's anxieties point. He thinks, damn that. Okay, if you hear it, you hear it. We're recording. There's this thing that people go through, and I'm kind of going through this now. I have my first therapy session with a new therapist next week where if you think you're like, okay, I'm not ready for this, so I need to end this relationship because I'm not mentally ready to take on this level of love, this level of support because of these past traumas. If you think that you'll find that in the next person and you'll be ready, that's not the case. It's just an endless cycle until you actually address it. That's when the therapy comes in. That's when realizing that it is. It is. It's. Unfortunately, it is you because of these relationships that you had. But there is no one woman or next lover that is going to like Knock that out of you. You have to become. You have to train and unlearn bad habits and get.

[Nico Brim]

And this is, this is real to what. What he's saying, which is I didn't want to say, but let's keep it a bug, bro. You look like you kind of get walked on, you know, like, yeah, it.

[Julian]

Could be a little. He's not confrontational, bro.

[Nico Brim]

Let them fucking nuts hang, bro. Like, come on, bro. Like, this is, like, this is small ball energy, bro. Like, you can't, you can't be this type of, you know, like, you got to, you got to. You got to be a man about this shit, bro. And that, you know, some of that change, you know, has to come. Like, he's saying, like, you know, doing, doing the work.

[Julian]

Like, oh, look at the area. I don't want to blow up his whole spot, but this is this the region of the countries.

[Nico Brim]

You get what I'm saying?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Like, it's a little.

[Julian]

It's moody over there.

[Nico Brim]

And you could be somebody who just walks with their head down out there and like wet or get through life. You can't live out here and be a get through life with your head down type of person, bro. Especially as a man. Like, shit is. Shit is not good.

[Julian]

And. But kudos to you for not being on like this. Like Andrew Tate, fuck women. I'm a man. Like, I'm just going to get big, shave my head and get no pussy. Like, it's good that you're willing to try to fall in love again, but if you had a shot, if you.

[Nico Brim]

Had a villain origin story, though, please understand, I would respect it. Like, I would. I would respect it because it's like, damn, homie, you went through like, like what, a whole in group of friends may not go through all of this.

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't know many people that have.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, I got cheated on by my high school sweetheart, by my groomsman. By the groomsman, A groom, whatever. That's.

[Julian]

That's how you use the word grooms.

[Nico Brim]

Haven't been to a lot of weddings.

[Julian]

It's all good, man.

[Nico Brim]

But bro, you get cheated on, that then. Then she takes the house and the.

[Julian]

Dog and everything else.

[Nico Brim]

And yo, like, yo, people, yo, bro, you got to think about that sentence. The house and the dog and then everything, like, is your house not part of everything?

[Julian]

Like everything, bro.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, and that's what you talking about. Like, you know, not to. Men do a lot of up. And you know, when you split up, you Know, a lot of times it's a man for cheating and all that, whatever have you. But it's like, damn, I got cheated on. And then you leave with the house. Like, how does that, like, how is the court system set up for you to fuck someone else?

[Julian]

Probably in my house.

[Nico Brim]

Probably in my house, you're sucking dick in the bed that I got for us. You know what I'm saying? Like this nigga sweating, hairy ass cheeks, sweating on my bed, fucking you. You feel me? And now I lose the house, so you get to keep the bed and keep getting fucked in the bed, that you know what I'm saying? This thing is clapping you. And I'm outside trying to figure this in the rain. In the fuck. And I'm outside in the rain, bro. You're fucking the windows. Get a moist window.

[Julian]

You watch.

[Nico Brim]

I'm watching this from outside. Like the fucking print of your head on the window. Feel for homie, bro. And I feel for him.

[Julian]

I'm. Well, like, look, I think it's, it's incredible that he's already found found. I think, clearly this guy's a lover boy.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

He wants to be in a relationship.

[Nico Brim]

He wants to hold something down, I would think.

[Julian]

Honestly, I don't know. You haven't specified the gap between these relationships, but it would be nice to know how much time you take to yourself.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But, yeah, moving forward, seek therapy. Be vocal with your current girl. Say, hey, this is the. That happened to me in the past. It's quite traumatic. I'm sorry if I'm a little, like, apprehensive or weird with intimate moments because I have all these extreme trust issues that I've harvested from these previous relationships. My bad. It's not your fault. This is just how I am. I need to unlearn these bad habits. Don't leave her in the dark. Make sure she's aware of this. And if she's with it and she loves you, she'll rock with it 100. If not, she'll probably end up one of your best friends. How many groomsmen? How many are available that are left? That's why we gotta.

[Nico Brim]

You just need, like, a lot of a dike.

[Julian]

Yeah. You just gotta be a. You gotta stop befriending homies. Yeah, yeah.

[Nico Brim]

Get some stuff. You know what I'm saying? Have them at the wedding. She's gonna be all right.

[Julian]

Yeah, bro. Well, I, I, we're wishing you the best, bro. Call back. I'd love an update. Hopefully it's not in a new relationship at that Point.

[Nico Brim]

For sure.

[Julian]

Let me see. Should we try one more?

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's do it.

[Julian]

Let's do it. I don't have one loaded up here, so let's kill time here. La de da di da.

[Nico Brim]

Nah, that was kind of crazy.

[Julian]

I feel. I feel bad for him, bro. Imagine your man's girl, your. Your. Your. Your wife clapping like the dude that, like, you know, coordinated your bachelor party.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, that's. Bro, think about the pain that goes behind that. And then God forbid, like, he's, like, gets more money than you or, like, more handsome than you and more, like, athletic.

[Julian]

Oh, we haven't even touched, like, you.

[Nico Brim]

Know what I mean? Like, the specifics of what that could also feel like. Like. Yeah, that's a six, five big. Like.

[Julian]

Just like the all time leading rusher. Like, guys got his. His jury's like that. The. The. The local, like, gymnasiums named after him.

[Nico Brim]

You know, he has. He has a street.

[Julian]

You. He's got, like, the most fire shop. Like, he sells the best sandwiches locally. You're going to Geno's, man. Gino, bro.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro. Exactly. Like, damn.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. I feel bad for homie.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro.

[Julian]

All right, let's do another one.

[Nico Brim]

All right, let's do it.

[Julian]

Julian, my name is Rain, bro.

[Nico Brim]

Bro, why he sound like he's crying already?

[Julian]

Yo, this gets sad, too.

[Nico Brim]

Yo, run this back, please.

[Julian]

First of all, he's also young and divorced.

[Nico Brim]

Please listen to him, though.

[Julian]

Yeah, let's go. Julian, my name is Rain.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, bro, this is about to be heavy, bro. I'm about to feel bad for laughing. I haven't heard it yet, though. Like, in my defense, I don't know what it is, but that tone, like, yo, that's no hope. Oh, my God, bro. Oh, way to wear it on your sleeve. Like. Hold on, hold on.

[Julian]

One more time. Julian, my name is Rich.

[Nico Brim]

Damn right. I hope.

[Julian]

I hope this isn't bad, but odds are this is gonna be pretty rough, man. Odds are Ray's got some drama.

[Nico Brim]

Ray got some to unpack, yo.

[Julian]

All right, let's. Yeah, here we go. Julian, my name is rain, bro. I'm 23, recently divorced, and got a.

[Nico Brim]

Baby on the way.

[Julian]

Life is in shambles, dude.

[Nico Brim]

Could use some advice on how I should take the next couple turns on being a father. I would call my own dad, but he's currently divorcing my mom right now, too, so I can't even get the same type of help from him because we only have the same ideas. Last time I talked to him down to a fight. So if you could, bro, just give a young man some advice on how being a dad in this world.

[Julian]

First of all, he called someone that is not a dad.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Like, I don't.

[Julian]

I don't have a kid.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. I don't think I have 16 plants. That's all I take care of.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. So what I would say to you with that, bro? Oh, man. Well, having a child, bro, is a huge blessing, bro. A major, major blessing, bro. And with children come blessings, bro. So, like, this could very much, well, like, be the elevation to your life. Like, how many times have you heard people talk about, like, yo, I had a kid, and that's when, like, oh, yeah, life elevated for me, or, you know what I'm saying? Like, I became the person I needed to be to have the success that I wanted in my life, you know?

[Julian]

So it's that whole, like, you're no longer living for yourself.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. You know what I mean? So I feel like if you got the baby on the way, you know, and she is her body at the end of the day, bro, so can't beat the baby out of her. Like, nothing crazy. Like, you got to just have this. This child.

[Julian]

No, Button. Oh, what? He wrote a song about it.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, for real? Yeah, you. So you listen to Joe Budden?

[Julian]

No, I just know that line because it always went viral. Joe Budden and Eminem, they are in that same cloth.

[Nico Brim]

But Joe Button's also nice, though.

[Julian]

But, yeah, you got.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, but, yo, but back to the. To this, right? It's like, bro, you got to just embrace the fact that you're about to be a father, and it's a new chapter of your life. You are kind of a young dad, you know? Not kind of.

[Julian]

You are. You are. Yeah, you're 23.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, you're. You're a young dad, you know, so, like, you know, y'all are divorced. I feel like you should never get married at 18, bro. That was kind of like. I don't want to say. That was naive. Yeah, that was naive. I do want to say that, actually, you learn from that. Now raise your child, bro. Your child. To give you something to be grounded by. Right. You know, you got to make it home to your child. You got to do things for your child. You got to live a particular type of way for your child to be successful. It's going to help you elevate, bro. Embrace the elevation. Your child's not here yet, so you're probably going through. Oh, how's my life gonna change? What is My life gonna be like, bro, you get to the other side and you hold your child, bro, you're not gonna think about any of that, bro, you're going through, like. Like, when people before you have a kid where you go through your second puberty, you're going through it. You're going through the changes, all that. You will be fine. Bro, the biggest thing that you're probably gonna have to heal from is being married and divorced by 23. Like, you're in, like, 1912 with that right there.

[Julian]

That's tough.

[Nico Brim]

Like, you just. You just came home from World War I. Yeah.

[Julian]

You got trench foot.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I'm saying? Like, your polio is.

[Julian]

She smashed the homie that stayed at home.

[Nico Brim]

Now you got your.

[Julian]

He thought the first caller was bad. I mean, that's kind of like the grass. What do you think's worse? First homie.

[Nico Brim]

First homie's been through the mud.

[Julian]

Yeah. But at least he doesn't have a kid out of it. But the kid up. No, no, no, no, no.

[Nico Brim]

The kid. A lot of the times when shit is over, the kid keeps people sane, bro. Like, you got to think, like, if you're not here, right? And I'm gonna. If I'm suicidal.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

You know what I'm saying? I'm just. I'm looking at you. You're my son.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I'm looking at you. I may not kill myself.

[Julian]

You're like, I can't.

[Nico Brim]

I'm like, look at. Look at my son. Like.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

I got to take care of my son sitting beside me right here. Right. All right. You know, like.

[Julian]

Or you got like, I gotta take him with me.

[Nico Brim]

Oh.

[Julian]

You know, murder, suicide, and then you feel me and. Yeah.

[Nico Brim]

But. And, you know. But more times than not, that's kind of like some white people.

[Julian]

That's. White people do that.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Like, white people. White people do shit like that.

[Julian]

Like, Ray isn't white.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. You can hear it in.

[Julian]

In his quivering lip. You can hear that Ray is not white.

[Nico Brim]

You feel me? 100%. But white people, they. They do shit.

[Julian]

Yeah. They get.

[Nico Brim]

But I feel like, yo. Like the other person didn't have a child out of it, which. Which is like. I get what you're saying, though.

[Julian]

Like.

[Nico Brim]

Because it's not the extra responsibility, but I feel like in his situation now, he can just look at his child and, like, just kind of help him move through the rest of life. Like, you know, I. I would hope for that for him, like, because I feel like most people in that type of situation, bro, it's like, you either gonna make the best out of it, you're gonna make the worst. You got the seed now, bro. You're either gonna be a great father or you're gonna be a piece of shit dad. You're gonna continue a cycle of trauma in broken homes. And this young man is gonna grow up with the weight of being a man way too early and had to skip out on his childhood and make choices from a place with no emotions. And he's gonna find somebody that doesn't know how to handle him because he's emotionally immature and has not been able to tap into that because he had to be a man from early. And he's going to repeat the cycle. And then your grandson is going to do similar things like you. You're going to be dead looking down at all of this shit like, why the fuck did I make that choice? And now there are cycles of this cynical behavior, and my family and my bloodline is trapped in this way of life.

[Julian]

That boy cooking. Damn.

[Nico Brim]

She.

[Julian]

I got nothing to say.

[Nico Brim]

That was fucking. That was perfect or you don't want to be that?

[Julian]

Yeah, you don't want to be that. And I will say, to the point that we just made two seconds ago, our initial call, or the first caller, I believe, sounded white. And based on where he was from, as white boy territory.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

So. And if it was role reversed, if he had the kid, then what's his area code? Where's that? Let's see.

[Nico Brim]

Oh, that's a brother.

[Julian]

Okay. That's a brother. Yep. And that's a tough. A lot of crazy shit goes down there.

[Nico Brim]

100%. Yeah.

[Julian]

But to the point I was about to make, if our white boy first caller, if roles were reversed and he had the kid, then we wouldn't have.

[Nico Brim]

Suggested that this would be like a cold red situation, then we would suggest.

[Julian]

The murder suicide, because that would be more your bad.

[Nico Brim]

That's. That's up the lane.

[Julian]

No, I mean that's in his blood. That's what they do.

[Nico Brim]

That's his bag.

[Julian]

Yeah, but for the. For our brother here. From the. From. We're not going to say where. Yeah, he doesn't want to say his name. Too late. Ray. What? Well, we suggest what he said is perfect. That was when he goes ahead. Book it. Yeah, make that your voicemail.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.

[Julian]

That was perfect, bro. You.

[Nico Brim]

You can't do nothing else. Have the seed and be a great dad, bro.

[Julian]

That's right. And on that note, man, this was awesome.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, this was great, bro.

[Julian]

This is so much fun. Let's do this again. Now you're here, we'll do. We get some voicemails and make it, like, a regular thing.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah, bro, this is.

[Julian]

I need someone to bounce ideas off of and watch, you know, up with.

[Nico Brim]

So this is, Bro, Yeah, I, I your sense of humor too, bro. You funny ass, bro.

[Julian]

Thank you, man. And this is. I'm not. I'm always get, like, is it like, I don't know if it's like a social anxiety or nervous to sit down with people that I don't know too well because, like, I know I come off ridiculous. And it's like, I don't know what the limits are for most people. So it was nice for you to. To jump in here and just be with the shits and. And literally, welcome to my. My home and just like, get right to it. Pause. So.

[Nico Brim]

Anytime, though, bro.

[Julian]

For sure. All right, bro. Thank you, man. All right, this is. What episode is this? I don't know. 13, I believe. Episode 13. Something wrong with the podcast. Thank you, everybody. We'll be back next week. I'm gonna try to do a live stream. It's been a minute. Maybe Nico could come for the live stream when we do the trap in the closet. Live streams off shrooms. All right, y'all. Peace.

[Nico Brim]

Peace.

[Julian]

That was awesome.

[Nico Brim]

Yeah.