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There wasn't a comb on any of these video sets for Blue's hair. She was 2 at the time. How many poor little Indian children are bald because of Nicki Minaj's career? Those are just two of the hundreds of now deleted tweets that have obviously been screenshotted and shared across Twitter and various hip hop media outlets. TMZ as well from Rory's Twitter account has now deactivated Twitter account Rory from the new Rory and Mall podcast in this year's edition of the new Rory and Mall Q4 collabs. If you're new here, the reason why I'm here is because of the falling out that we had. Let's see, let's go through the years 2023 ed and punches me in the face. That was our Q4 crisis. Put out an episode that should have never came out. 2024, my firing, the end of last year, the firing incident happens. They have that horrible half assed acknowledgement apology leads to more backlash. And now this year at the buzzer beater, even before December, we're a little early this year with the fall off. We have Rory with the awful, awful apology for these old tweets, apology onus, anything, excuses, whatever you want to call it as we head into this year's edition of the R&M Q4 holiday collapse. But before we get into how all this happened, let's actually go. Let's start from the beginning and let's talk through how we got to this moment and where I was when I found out happened actually on my birthday on Thursday where I was actually out with some friends and all of this stuff was happening and I was catching up in real time and it was insane. Even on the Twitter space as I saw as well. And I saw Rory went in there to defend himself, which went very poorly. How that went. It went from saying the tweets were fake to saying that he was actually just joking to then switching his Twitter to Private and then saying his I believe in one space. He said, I didn't even tweet that I lived with a black girl at the time. She must have taken my phone and done that. Which is insane to scapegoat a black woman. Even in the lie of the tweet Itself and then whatever, like half ass, tiptoe, pitter, potty or apology. An apology about as heartfelt as the send off that they gave me however many months ago. I guess my thing is when people show you who they are, believe them. And I'm not standing like on a soapbox. I know the first half of this conversation always starts with. Twitter was different back then. You could get away with a lot of things. You could say outlandish and mind you, I'm a very flirt on the edge. Say things that offend a lot of people in a comedic tone. That's generally how I exist as well. But in the context of 2025, when people bring up these tweets and they feel away emotionally. There was one woman in there, I was in the spaces for a little bit when. With Rory, when he was in there just listening and the woman was Black woman was basically moved to tears saying, I'm about to put my black daughter to bed. And like, this really, you know, hurts, whatever. Da, da, da, da. So when you're hearing stuff like that and you're hearing testimonies from others, others were more vocal and like attacking Rory completely. Again, understandable. What you should do is obviously not condone the words that you had said and like disavow those things, even if you were at the time joking, which I'm sure he was. But furthermore, you need to be like honest and apologize and actually make the people that are hurt, like, feel that, how their feelings are justified and then give them the. Just make them feel like they're not crazy for having an emotional outward reaction to the words that you said. Don't make me feel stupid because the thing you said offended me and my community, which you can't, you can't like weaponize sarcasm in a way that belittles something that speaks directly to. In this case, most of the things were directed at black women about black women and how it makes them feel personally and furthermore, how it makes them look upon like their children, their nieces, their nephews, etc. As well, it's not your place to tell them how they should feel. Even in the apology as well. You can't laugh your way out of it. And then we'll get to mall in a second. But it's. There's. There are real simple ways to go about this in the best way is probably just not getting in the space to begin with. That probably would have been the smartest move. But Rory is extremely. Loves the attention and a bit of a masochist in the sense that he will drive towards conflict and, you know, put himself in it to try to dig himself out of a hole. And I think he really understood, underestimated the significance of how those words were affecting the community in which he is a welcomed voice in. And it's not, it's not fair to his audience, the hip hop listeners. I think Rory comes from that, from a point of privilege, like he as the white guy in the space, he was basically saying, well, this is how I feel about them. They were jokes. That's not who I am. Therefore, this is how you should feel about them as well. Which isn't the case. And that is very often a position taken by those that are in the power seat in any relationship, in any dynamic. Well, I feel this way, so therefore the rest of you should also feel this way. I don't see it as a big deal. These are from however many years ago, so why should you care now? You know, I fuck black women. That's always the scapegoat. As if this who you stick your dick in also. Just like it is a full, like it just clean slate of all of the, you know, things that you may have said about the community in which you're like actively trying to be romantic with. Which is insane. Just because you know some Freddie Gibbs verses doesn't mean, you know, you get it. You get a pass for everything that you say.
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So let's continue. I don't appreciate any women with Poetic justice braids telling me what I can and can't do. Save the white boy fantasy for someone else. I'm not cutting any weave out of your hair. There seems to be a concentration on weave and hair in particular in a lot of these tweets, which is obviously something that is extremely sensitive in the black community for men as well, but more in particular for women. More often than not, black women are bullied into straightening their hair, like, you know, just frying it chemically or figuring out which, you know, hairstyle, a weave or whatever the case may be a wig, that works best for them. So when you're attacking a marginalized group, but then also something that is very unique and specific to that group. I mean, obviously, like it's, it's, it's done with intention. So to, you know, gloss over that, I think is something that should not be overlooked. You know what I mean? The thing that bothered me in the tweets because I know that how much Rory cares to want to handle be the one that's in control of everything is even afterwards when they did the episode, I guess we'll talk about before they get to that in the spaces when Mall comes in. Because if Rory joining the spaces was him already adding logs to the fire. Maul is an accelerant that will only do. Do what he usually does, which is make things worse. Mal is not the person you want in your corner when it comes to anything that's a sensitive topic because I don't think I've ever seen Maul take anything that seriously. But he's also quick to like, dismiss much things that people tend to care about. And I don't care to even talk much about Maul and his character. I think like, unlike Rory, Maul very much shows you who he is. And it's kind of like a Trumpian way where it's like, yo, I. Yeah, I'm a fucking asshole. Or like, you know, fuck yourself. Or he did the. He was literally just clapping at everybody in the Twitter spaces. These feds told the one dude spell itinerary. He's talking like, oh, you're a big man. All that stuff. Like, that's very Mall. Like Mal was being what Mall does. However, Rory, I think at his at his core, wants to be universally liked and well received, where Mall truly doesn't give a fuck about how he's looked online or how people perceive him, which kind of you can see in like it's his guiding light amongst how he handles any controversy. But Rory, even on the next episode, unfortunately has to sit next to Maul and address what happened. And Maul did the, you know, similarly, like none of this matters, makes light of the situation and then leads to like a whatever, like moseying through a lame duck apology. I did see the old videos. Not even that old. It was like a week or two ago of them discussing the tire of the creator tweets. And in particular Damaris was getting killed a lot about look how hard she'll cape for Rory. But kicking Tyler's back over, you know, similar sounding tweets. Which is an interesting point, but something Damaris said because I watched a clip on Twitter. She said like you can't ignore patterns. And that's what I implored Damaris to pay attention to with this situation. Even though Rory's your friend and boss. Whatever.
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Do not ignore the patterns. A lot of these tweets are saying the same thing, and it's critiquing one thing in particular. Pay attention to that pattern. When you are a guest in black culture, and specifically the hip hop, you need to. That has to be ringing in the back of your mind at all times that at some. At the end of the day, you are the other in the room. Right? Right. No matter how much money you make from the show, no matter, you know, what song, what artist does your song, whatever community supports you or, you know, whoever's on your album, you're still the outsider and a guest in a culture that you are not like, actually, you know, you're a visitor, a welcomed visitor. So when the people that you serve and the people that consume your content, the people that are black, the people that are of, like the elk of that of the demo, you're trying to serve, and when they say things and they come at. When they say things that. When they tell you things that you've said have offended them and there is a pushback on you, it needs to be received in a way that reassures them that you are, in fact, the outsider and kind of resets the. The hierarchy. There's like, it's. There's this weird pull division between, like, as a white guy, socially, if we're looking at just like American social hierarchy, the white guy is always the dominant person. So there's always that too. It's like, yes, Rory is in hip hop and he is in rap media, but he's also white. So it's like what usurps the other in this thing? It's like, at least at the end of the day, he's still the white guy. So that's always gonna, like, champion the like, subdivision of him being the outsider in a, you know, in this field. But I think where he really failed is, is. Is not Doing that, he didn't reestablish his role in the community and instead tried to make the community feel as if they were wrong. He was trying to tell the group of people a demo that he serves, how they should feel about something that. That affected them directly, emotionally, which then led to certain people in that spaces wanting to, you know, fight them and jump them and do all sorts of those things, and then calling Maul a coon and like, all. Just all of, like, the visceral reaction that came with it. But justifiably, because you have a platform beyond the show I'm talking about in that literal Twitter spaces, and you have thousands of people in there, and you don't take the opportunity to make them feel that their emotions are validated. Now, you could disagree with how they feel and also acknowledge that fine. If you wanted to do the scapegoat thing of, like, it was old Twitter, the someone stole my phone kept becoming a scapegoat thing. And then it was like, a black chick stole my phone. It's like, which one is it in? Whatever you're choosing, whatever, like, Escape Goat, whatever synapses are firing in your mind trying to pick which excuse is going to stick. You've done. You've. You've thrown so much shit at the wall, but you haven't said the one thing that could at least make the people that have given you your career feel that, like, feel like how they feel matters. And that's really what I think was the biggest pitfall of the entire situation was the total selfishness to just lean into how you wanted to be perceived and how that perception matters so much more in your own eyes about yourself than it does to the community in which has given you all of these blessings. That being said, I did jump in on Twitter because, again, it was my birthday, so I had some fun with it. I tweeted some things, the Samuel Jackson and Leonardo DiCaprio meme, as well as a retweet of the Michael Jordan laughing meme, whatever that thing is. I do want to say, because I do know how this game works. People, I'm sure have looked back on my Twitter, which, by the way, I was a late bloomer to Twitter. I think I joined in, like, 2017, probably right around when I moved here, because I just started at Hot 97 and I wanted to have a platform to, like, share my articles and the stories that I was writing for them. By the way, fuck hot 97 and complex. You had to choose the one photo of me behind Rory for the like the whole campaign of him getting canceled. Why is my face in all of these fucking photos? But anyway, I, if you look at my Twitter specifically and anybody that knows me, it is, it is memes, music and social justice. Those are the three things that I tweet about. Another thing that I saw online, people were saying, it's crazy how y' all have this much outrage for Rory, but not for Andrew Schulz. And I want to make the distinction why they are two different situations. Even though Schultz has brilliant idiots, he is. Well, first, for starters, he's a professional comedian, but he also, his show operates more in white dominated spaces. He's a cultural commentator for really like, I mean, if we're being honest, like a white, young, mid white, like frat, frattier demo. So he's serving an audience that he himself is like directly a part of as, as himself. Meaning like as a white guy. Whereas I previously just said Rory is a guest. And when you people are saying, well, Schultz just ignores everything and then things go on. I don't think you have the privilege of doing that in Rory's case, because again, you are in service to an audience in which you aren't like you weren't born to. I guess the biggest thing here is when you are a white person in hip hop, you need to be reminded through yourself and through, like on a human level, like through humility to understand that the audience you're serving, albeit in the scheme of American culture, are the minority in this specific situation within hip hop and within black media, have the upper hand on you as the guest. And their level of acceptance for you and comfort with you is what has given you the career that you currently have. So when there are people that are having these moments and feeling like they can open up to you and they're telling you things that you've said that robbed them the wrong way and you, you laugh or belittle them or turn to someone else in the space and say, but come on, you know me. Come on, you know me. Or hey, I fuck only black women. Hey, I fuck only black women. Like, that's. Those aren't things that admonish the things that you said, nor make them feel better about the situation at hand. And it's a bit of self reflection that needs to be done that it seems like hasn't been done. So there are a lot of patterns that have been identified and I think those are the things that his listeners should pay attention to is just follow these patterns as they happen.
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Let's move on from tweets that probably should have been deleted to someone who who confiscated and paraded around a bunch of emails that are now being used against him and are backfiring like crazy. Of course I'm talking about the biggest story of the week, Trump and Epstein. More particular, the crazy rumor that's floating around that was found in one of the emails that Trump gave the sloppy toppy to former President Bill Clinton, who I did see on my birthday, by the way. I'm not gonna post that photo, but it does exist. I was with him the night that all this news seemed to be happening. Let's get some context here. A 2018 email from Mark Epstein, the brother of Jeffrey Epstein, referenced photos of Donald Trump and Bubba, leading to speculation that it was former President Bill Clinton. Mark Epstein clarified the reference was not clarified. The reference was not Clinton and described the messages of privately brother banter. The White House dismissed the emails as baseless from a discredited source. I think Mark is covering here, but here is the email that they are referring to. A lot of emails have come out, a lot of screenshots, Epstein calling Trump an awful person and just all of these things that you would expect. Here's a email from Mark Epstein to his brother Jeff. Ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing bumps Bubba, which is interesting. And that's what started the amazing run that Twitter has been on. I think it's safe to say, like the reason why these files won't come out and they were just used as a leverage for Trump is because of how much he's indicted and he's included in these things. He was obviously far more involved with the situation than any of us had initially believed or thought. The more of these emails come out, the deeper it's going to get and the worse it's going to get. I was talking to some friends about this over the weekend. I think what we as normal Americans, normal people with a consciousness and Like a moral compass. Can't even fathom the atrocities that were done to the victims of this scandal, even down to. There was one email that Epstein was referring to one girl that he had. He's like, yeah, like, I'm done with her. I gifted her. Like, I gave her away to Trump. Just the way in which they talk about these women like their trading cards is very indicative of how the, they devalued a lot of the people in the system that they built for themselves. And if you're bought in on that system, that's like an intoxicating energy. Trump very much so operates like that. He truly believes he's a higher being and above a lot of people. So it's no surprise that he kept someone like Epstein close in his circle and they kind of fed off each other very clearly. Trump also had once claimed that he removed Epstein from Mar? A Lago, and Epstein in one of these emails clarified like he was never a Mar? A Lago member, which was not true. Yeah. So it's just the case in itself is going to keep. Is going to keep rolling. I think this did also play a big part into why the government shut down lasted so long because of these looming in the background, which is crazy to think that there are people that lost their SNAP benefits and a lot of families that went without money and food and security solely off the basis that Trump was in fear of these files being released, these emails being leaked. It is interesting though, we're seeing some people turn on Trump. He recently did an interview with Laura Ingraham, who's usually a Trump talking piece news, talking about the schooling, the school system in America, more so American colleges, and challenging Trump about why we need to accept, why the Chinese acceptance rate needs to go up, which is obvious because the tech industry has dominated the American economy. So if Chinese tech is going to be what keeps this economy booming, guess what? These people are going to move their families here and call America home. So what they're gonna need to do is get their kids into great American institutions. And Trump was up there trying to argue that it's really great that we have more foreign students and Chinese students in particular come to our great universities and kind of arguing for the fact that we need them. And he basically said, if you like HBCUs, we need Chinese students in our schools because their money is funding those colleges. Which Laura Ingraham just completely did not agree with. And good for her for giving some pushback the best that she could. But it's very clear that Trump is willing to and has been selling off parts of America to other countries, really to the highest bidder. And this is no different. So it's just really something to keep your eyes on and pay attention to as all of these stories develop. For those wondering, no, I did not bring this up with Bill Clinton when I was with him, but conversations were had afterwards about the whole situation. I finally saw Bugonia. It was solid. I feel like what I'm about to say is gonna make it sound like I didn't like it, but it starts off slow. It's a pretty slow start. I was actually pretty tired when I went to the theater, so maybe this isn't fair, but I was like kind of a little bit like drowned, drowning in and out for like a probably a few minutes. But when it, when it picked up, it was great. I think if I was a kid, I would love it. I'm not gonna spoil it. There is like a surprise and all that. But put it this way, poor things. Yorgos's last film, the one that he directed before this, was significantly better. It also stars Emma Stone. Emma Stone is in this, as is Jesse Plemons. I don't know the little kid's name. That is the side character with him, but he was an amazing actor. He did a great job. Someone that I love and follow Stavros Halkias Shout Out Stavi. He played a police officer that was also a creep former babysitter. He seemed to be. It was a really funny like, police plot line, subplot line. But it's, it's. It's obviously well shot. The score is great. I really like the sound. The music of it is fantastic. But yeah, I mean, it was a fun. It was a solid movie. Just not something I'm running to run running back to. I still want to see the new Frankenstein. I've heard great things. I wish it was a theatrical release. I know Netflix got it, but I really would like to see that one in theaters. But I gotta go check that out on the sports front. My, my Knicks have finally figured it out. We look a little better. Even with Jalen Brunson out. We had a really impressive win against Miami. We're actually playing Miami again next, I believe. Well, it. That game already happened. If you're listening to this and I know OGN and Obi's gonna be out for a little bit, so I have to keep an eye out on that. Oh, I came in so hot with today's episode. I didn't even get to my, my haircut. I obviously, I Took off a lot of hair for the birthday. Oh, let me talk through my birthday, man. I'm so distracted by the Rory stuff and the Trump stuff that I haven't even thought about. Listen to this and I'll end on this little story from my birthday. I wanted to have a self care day and I took Thursday and I really gave that day to myself. My actual birthday, the 13th. I woke up, went to the gym at 8am, had a great workout, went from the gym directly to therapy, had a great therapy session, went from therapy to this massage spot in Chinatown. If you're in New York and you've always wanted to get a good massage but you're not trying to pay an arm and a leg, this is what Chinatown is for. And let me tell you, it delivers. I'm not going to say the name of the spa in here, but if you do want to know, DME two hour full service massage, $99. I left $120 cash with, with including tip. It was an hour full body massage, which was unbelievable. And they like stretch, they get up there and like stretch your limbs out too. And then it's a, you can option between an hour like head massage or a foot massage, or you can like do 30 minutes off. 30 minutes. I opted for an hour. They call it like the head, the head package, which is fucking crazy. But listen to this. You're laying down, they give you a full scalp massage, they give you a face scrub and then a facial and then they rinse and wash your hair a lot. And there's like this thing that they put you in where there's steam and it opens up your pores and you sweat. And then while all of that's like, while you're sitting back and all that's happening around in your head and all that, they massage your arms, your full arms, your shoulders and your hands. And they just really like get in there and it's all these great oils and in the full body massage they use the hot stones. But I had never felt so relaxed and just felt like I had like one of the best resets I've needed in a long time. It was such a pleasant and thorough experience and it is one of the best deals that you can get. For context, like a two hour experience is usually like 450, $500 in the city. This is $99. It was so good. Like I want, I'm going to do this again. I know I treated myself for the birthday thing, but at that price point I'm pretty comfortable like doing That a few times. So, yeah, I had one of the best days. And then I had dinner with some friends, drinks and. Yeah, I mean, birthdays are always like, whatever. It's just, you know, I feel like it's just life goes on, but I'm learning more to take the time to really, like, unplug and prioritize myself. But then after that massage, that's not even the end of the day, I left there and then I walked up to get my haircut. They took a lot off, which is like, okay, I really did like the long hair. But, you know, again, in the spirit of, like, the reset, I'm just getting everything cleaned up and it'll grow back. My hair you've seen always grows back. So, yeah, I'm really excited to gear up for the holidays. I think my next episode. Will I be at home? No, I'll be here. But, yeah, the holiday season is rolling around. I'm excited to see my family. On Saturday, I actually met up with my parents. I took the train up to Kingston, Rhinebeck area, and they drove down. We met halfway. We had a really sweet lunch and then we walked around, got some coffee, popped into a couple galleries. Actually went to this really great thrift store that a friend of mine recommended in Kingston, and I know picked up a few items. It was just a really pleasant weekend. Busy, Very busy. So much so that on Sunday, I didn't leave my bed. I didn't leave my apartment. But yeah, I was in my bed for probably 80% of the day. Sometimes you need those. Not even. I wasn't even hungover. I was just like exhaust. Like, just tired from just moving and in a lot of late nights and socializing. But I do want to thank everybody that messaged me and wished me happy birthday. It's been quite a birthday. What a. What a fun. A fun. A fun week and weekend. So thank you everybody that. That wish me happy birthday and everybody that was there celebrating with me. And yeah, thank you guys. Again, I didn't say to the top of the episode because I started with something a little different, obviously reading the tweets, but this is episode 44, something wrong with the podcast. Let's see what happens next. Guys, it's the. The. The annual R M blowout. So it's. It seems to be something that one can expect. I'm not a betting man, but, hey, drop the money line on that one. We'll see what happens next, guys. You will definitely hear from me and I love you and have a great week. Bye.
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