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Hey, hey, hey. Welcome to episode 45 of Something Wrong with the podcast. We in the four five. I need to play games with you. Shout out. Jay, I am back. I'm back in New York. I was home for the holidays. We'll get to that in a second. Your boy is low key geeked right now. I'm excited, but also like actually medically geeked. And by medically I mean highly caffeinated. I bought if you can see here, if you pay attention to my background, I'm always. I recorded my home low overhead. There's no studio payment here, just rent. If you look over to my shoulder here, you can see this beautiful machine here that is called a Breville Impress Touch Pro. That is a very incredible, intuitive smart machine that I came in the mail today and it is. I'm recording this in the evening and I did not allow that from stopping me from making a beautiful day. Double latte, double espresso latte that I just finished and it hit me like a Vyvanse. I feel like I popped an Adderall and who knows if I'll sleep tonight. If I don't, that means I will just write a lot or just do a movie marathon of sorts or something. Usually when I'm this geeked on coffee, it gets my creative juices flowing and I want to like, express it in variation of ways. Who's to say how that'll manifest tonight, but I'm open to wherever the wind blows. I do want to say that espresso machine is honestly mostly due in part to the support from this show. Obviously, this isn't an ad for Breville. Breville's like the damn Rolls Royce of coffee machines. They don't need to pay me to plug their products. But in, in a moment of like, transparency, from where I was financially a year ago to where I am today, this show as well as other, you know, streams of income in my life have obviously played a big part in this but this show, being one of them, has really uplifted me mentally and enough, you know, monetarily to have some, you know, excess money to do stuff like this. Again, I keep a low overhead. I record at home. I do everything myself. I don't owe anybody money. That seems to be the thing that kind of kills other shows, is scheduling and finding out certain payouts. But again, when I do it myself, I get to decide what I want to do with all the money. And pretty good lump sum of that went to this bad boy over here. I will be filming a lot of coffee content, and this thing will most likely become my new personality, which is not bad, especially as we turn into the colder months, mainly January, AKA for me, dry January, where I will continue my dry January streak for the second year and probably just get geeked off of coffee instead. But we'll get to all that later. We'll talk about Thanksgiving later as well. I want to get to a couple things that have been really pressing in the music side that I haven't been able to talk to because I did have a couple guests on my last few episodes. Shout out. Love, Kelly. That's my boy. I'm super happy for him. I see he's putting out this really, like, cool film about his journey, and I'm always following him closely. Something that I am very much invested in is if you've been on the timeline, if you've been in the music spaces. And I'm going to talk about two subjects today. We're going to talk about suno, this AI Music platform, which we'll get to in a second. And then also we're going to talk about the Grammy nominations, because I am behind on that. I haven't spoken about that yet on my platform, and I owe you that. I would love to give my opinion on the Grammy nominations as well. So let's go into suno. SUNO and Warner settle their dispute and sign a licensing deal marking a significant step in AI Generated music. So Suno is an AI generated music platform, Basically. Under the deal, artists can approve AI generated music as Suno rolls out updated models and integrates Warner's Songkick platform. We're gonna read a couple more tweets about this and then get into my opinion on this. I feel very strongly about this, and. And I feel like my opinion will not surprise anybody that listens to this show. This is from the founder of suno. Her name is Rosie. On Twitter, she goes by rosieloves. Soup. Her personality is soup. And stealing people's music I grew up singing. I sang everywhere, everywhere I went. I wrote songs in my diary. I told teachers that I wanted to be a singer and a songwriter when I grew up. But wanting to be a musician in 2006 required resources that low income families didn't have. My parents couldn't afford to get me any instruments, they couldn't pay for any music lessons, they couldn't get me in studios. And I dreamed that my journey was just a memory. Until now, mind you. Like leveraging this as the sob story for why you couldn't create music is just such bullshit. There's so many opportunities, schools and services that gave students in low income communities. The reason why there are so many people that make music from low income communities that then ultimately become successful is because of how accessible certain tools are. We grew up in the digital age like this is. You're saying in 2006 these tools weren't hard to come across. Like these were things that were readily available for kids, which often start as producers and then, you know, if they want to go into singing or rapping, that's the course they can go down as well. Like it's not. She's leveraging this as like this sob story angle, which is inherently not true. Let's continue though. I'm beyond proud and honored to get to work at a company that is enabling music creation for everyone from the 13 year old kid in their bedroom who dreams of being a musician, you can be one for all those professional artists, you can do more of what you love. I really Wish Suno existed 20 years ago when I was a kid in elementary school showing strangers songs I wrote with no way to produce them. But I'm really, really happy that exists today for all those other kids out there who might need it. We're just getting started, but basically Warner Music was valued. The startup raised over $250 million and their value is now at 2.45 billion. And again, I do want to reiterate, at no point is it impossible to make music while you're broke. You can write in diaries full of songs. Every creative project that kids do is low budget, low funded. It's not something that is a far fetched dream that she's making it. This really isn't a good step for music, nor is it a good step for creators. And we can get into why that is. It was revealed that I do have some more data here, some tweets here that Billboard got access to Suno's investment pitch deck. It revealed that suno had spent $32 million on compute and 2,000 on training data. So what SUNO is doing is actively training against artist music catalogs. And for like in simple terms, it's training on data transparency, basically meaning it's listening to music that is owned by artists or copyrighted by the label, and it is learning that music without permission. And it also doesn't list the sources. Musicians worry that their work is in these data sets without consent, which is true. Some users even demonstrated SUNO producing outputs similar to their known songs in raising questions about style mimicry. So we're really graying the area between the creator, the actual people that create the song, and then this SUNO platform recreating similar songs or songs of theirs without the artist's permission. It's also another argument is the devaluation of music labor. I can generate full songs in seconds, they said. This thing is generating Spotify playlists and catalogs at a rate in which obviously the human cannot create, which feels threatening to musicians who spend their days, hours, their lifetime creating this type of music to perfect their craft. You can, you know, replace composers for ad breaks or any quick music commissions with just inserting the the product that you want into suno and it'll spit out whatever you're looking for. Basically, we're kind of stripping the artist out of the creative process. This is not so much doing as much uplifting as it is doing replacing. And to no surprise, to no surprise at all, the person that is heavily involved with this, who's been the seemingly the arbiter of AI tech in music, is Timbaland.
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Timbaland has partnered with SUNO as a strategic advisor. He has been a top user of the platform for months, using it to speak creatively, whatever, blah, blah, blah blah blah. So his official role strategic partner in 2004. October 2004. Basically, he said he's using the tool to spark creativity, generating new ideas and making new music, even referring to the platform as quote baby Timbo, this is not a baby, Timbo. This can do more in that scale than you could ever do by yourself. He started it off with a contest, the Love Again Remix Contest. To kick off the partnership, he released a song exclusively on Suno and launched a contest where users could submit their own remixes for a chance to win prizes that are. It's no surprise that Timberland is involved with this. He's been highly criticized for pushing for AI in the music space from the community and myself included. He's actually responded to a few of my TikToks that have been about the projects and endeavors that he's done before in AI, which I still stand on. I think the way I'm not here to vilify AI as a tool, I think AI can be incredibly powerful. And I think that there has to be. We have to discern between what is good AI versus what is harmful AI. And I want to be very careful with how I speak on this, because I think in the way in which Netanyahu conflates being Jewish with being a Zionist, he purposefully meshes the two of them together. I think that is done as well when it comes to AI, but obviously much lower stakes in terms of the global ramifications. But I think people are. When you say fuck AI, it's an umbrella term, but I think we have to be specific to what type of AI and what kind of AI are we really, you know, budging here. And I think this is the perfect basket case for one that we can all agree to say fuck you to. This isn't doing any good for the artists or the creators themselves. It is really, you know, jeopardizing their, like, their livelihood. And it's not as uplifting as it is discouraging. And it is also like. It's in many ways, one of which being AI makes it easy to generate thousands of songs that can then flood the marketing. It's creating songs at a rate that a human could never keep up with. And more doesn't mean good. And all more does is saturate the market and take away from those that are actually creating art. And it also discourages those from even wanting to go down this path to becoming an artist because you're competing against something that isn't human. Also, like, AI generated music takes the soul out of music. I think what makes music so beautiful are the imperfections of music. If we want to even get down to the technical quality of the music itself, music that's too polished and too perfect, it just. It. It's you're stripping it literally because there's no human in it. You're stripping it of what it means to be human. Some of my favorite moments in music in a live recording is when an artist, you know, you sometimes hear like in some of Michael Jackson's song, his foot tapping in the studio or you hear someone put down a bottle during a live recording or signal to their. There's the song Ode to the Mets and the Strokes last album where you know, he goes, can we get the. Bring in the. Bring in the drums and things like that. Like there are things that make music, music because music is human. And when you're, when you remove that element to it, it really. The art form loses its beauty and credibility in my mind. And I understand, like for people like Timbaland, the angle is more is better. And by more it really is like this is me patting my pockets and I'm looking for the next angle too. He's already doing very well for himself, but this is to catapult him into the hundreds of millions of dollars, which I understand. But you would hope. I would hope and I hope for other creators that whether they're in the prime of their artistry or in the later years such as Timberland, to not forget why you started and what this whole industry is about. And if we lose ourselves to technology in a way in which we're prioritizing the tech versus the creator, then that's a really scary place. And I think that's universal across all forms of AI. I think AI can be extremely powerful tool. In other cases, like we've seen a lot of AI become great like assistants and manage calendars and create amazing short form clips. I'm using an AI tool right now to create all my clips for me called Opus Clip. It'll post and push all my stuff on my Instagram, on my Twitter, on my TikTok. I don't touch any of it. It runs automatically. It's a beautiful thing because as a solo creator, I also have a full time job. I don't have the time to cut clips, but, but it's not because I'm at a shortage of content, it's just because my schedule doesn't. I just, I just physically couldn't do that and manage the job that I'm also doing full time. So by using this incredible tool now, I'm getting, you know, hundreds of thousands of views collectively across these platforms that I wouldn't be getting otherwise, which is awesome for me, honestly. It's more exposure. It sparks conversations like I said earlier. People like Timbaland are in my comments. I'm not anti AI, but I'm anti it. Stepping on the creator's process. This isn't replacing me as a tool, as a podcaster, as a creator or like. It's just simply cutting my content, captioning it and putting it out. Stuff that I believe, stuff that I've said, stuff that I'll stand on because it's coming from me and my show. This, this, however, it's, it's. It's not. Music isn't a product. You know, it's. It's. It's expression, it's, it's culture, it's emotional. And so much of what I love about music, and I've said this before on the old show and even here, my favorite music to listen to are live recordings. I love recording. Jameson, my friend who I'm so happy to see him in Brooklyn recently, who's doing an incredible tour, he has these two live recordings live in North Hollywood and then live at. At War Village, and they are both two of my favorite bodies of music. I have the vinyl of Live in North Hollywood here, but you can hear like, I don't know, one of the songs, he goes, oh, my string popped. And they laugh about it. There's a shared moment of laughter in the studio amongst the musicians, and you can hear them tuning their instruments or the transitions between songs and the drinking and swigging in between breaks and the imperfections of a guitar riff. That's what makes a song beautiful. And AI music is inherently soulless because AI's intent and purpose is to be perfect, is to create the optimal version of what you prompted.
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Purchase the two. So then, at what point are we looking at this tool to create? Are we looking at it to just for pure quantity or are we looking at something that wants to evoke? I'll take less if it evokes emotion like quantity. What do they say? Quality over quantity. And I think this move and I'm really upset with Warner Music and I worked at Atlantic Records. Warner Music is the parent company. I don't like this move. I don't. I think it's really sad and it discourages the very people in which these record labels are supposed to serve and protect. It's. It. I would be. It's a dark day for the artists, certainly the, the newer artists. I always feel more most for them. You know, imagine getting a record deal and you're young, you know, we call them the baby artists at the label and you're just getting your journey started and you see a move like this coming from the, the people that are the decision makers in the label, in the system. It is discouraging and I really hope that. I think with all tech and with all, not just tech in the sense of AI tech, but all new technologies or anything new that we're welcoming into the, the zeitgeist, there's always like an over swing. The same with like politics. There's like an overcorrection. We go so far left that we have to come then back right to overcorrect. Or we go so right that we have to now come left to overcorrect. I think that also happens with, with technology where maybe. And this is my silver lining optimist ending to this rant. I think the best case scenario is we're in the phase of. This is the money grab phase. People are going for it, selling two and a half billion dollar valuations. We're swinging for the fences. And I hope at some point in the near future that they realize that this is not what being an artist or being in this industry is about. And there's an overcorrection in the other way where I think people, we're seeing it on some level. People are hungry for vinyl sales or higher than they've been since vinyls were actually regularly used. We're seeing like a hunger for real and a hunger for, you know, authenticity. And I think like most things, the industry is moving against what the consumer wants. And we can only hope and pray that they listen to the consumer. And there's a strong wave of overcorrection to restore us back to why we all love music. And that's, that's my rant. Timbaland. I'm continuously disappointed in the decisions you make as a pioneer and one of the great producer, one of the greatest producers in music. None of my criticisms have to come with your work ethic and your quality of your ear and what you've done in this industry. But it's really sad to see in your, in Your second act of your career, what you're, what you're trying to accomplish. And I think advocating for this is really dangerous for the people that you're trying to inspire and uplift. So please look yourself in the mirror. And to that, to that bitch that wrote that sob story about Suno, stop capping. Nobody believes that whole, like, bullshit angle. The whole when I was young man, fuck all that. You're doing this for the money. You're not doing this for the creatives. And you know that. And, and I hate that you're trying to leverage this thing as this whole, like, sob story angle. It doesn't work here. It won't work. And according to Twitter, it hasn't worked. Here's another tweet I'm just reading here. Spotify stole 50,000 in royalties from a producer who paid to use Suno studio and producers are still defending Suno. And then the rest is tweet is we are begging to be taken advantage of. That's the reality of this. Pay attention to the reality. And look where the money is flowing. It's flowing away from the creators. It's. And into the pockets of these conglomerates that are sitting at the board table here. So pay attention.
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All right, we're gonna do a hard pivot. Let's get into the Grammy nominations. I again hadn't had the time to speak on this in my last couple episodes, so I really want to get to them this year because there are some exciting names on this list that I and I really want to give the time and attention that they deserve. So let's go through. Let's start from the top record of the year. We have Bad Bunny, Sabrina Carpenter, Dochi Billie Eilish, Lady Gaga, Kendrick and Sza Chapel, Roan and Bruno Rose and Bruno Mars, which is crazy. I still have never heard that song. I'm not here to pick predictions. Let's go to the other ones. Let's do album of the year Justin B. I. All right, so I think let God sort him out. Has to Win an award. I would love to see Pusha and Clips. Sorry, Pusha and Malice win an award for that album. That would be really great for me, selfishly. But let's jump here and do progressive R and B album. Progressive R and B album. We have Duran, Bernard, Bilal, Destin, Conrad, Flow or Terrace Martin. Kenyon Dixon. I love the Terrace Martin and Kenyon Dixon album. I'm going to go with Come as yous Are. Probably will not win but I'm just super happy that they got nominated. Anything Terrace Martin puts out, I'm tapped in. I've seen him at the Blue Note, incredible show. He's just also just a cool ass dude. Best R and B album. Givon, Coco Jones, Lity, Tiana Taylor, Leon Thomas. Mutt has to win that. I think Mutt from a cultural impact alone, I think has to win that. That album, that award. Pardon me. Best Rap Performance. Cardi B Outside Chains and Whips Clips Anxiety Dochi, TV Off Kendrick and Lefty, Gunplay or Darling Eye, Tyler and Tizo. Damn, that's a tough category. It's definitely. Tell you who is not going to be. It's definitely not going to be Cardi B. It has been Dochi's year. But do they continue that momentum? I think they won't overkill that with Dochi this year. I think TV off will probably take that. Although I would, you know, Chains and Whips would be a sneaky way to give clips. Pusha. Sorry I keep saying clips. Is Malz Mal's Pusha and Kendrick a Grammy so maybe they go that route. But I think it could be TV off or Chains and Whips. Best Melodic Rap performance Proud of Me Friday featuring Meek Wholeheartedly. Jid featuring Ty Doll, Sign in Black Luther Kendrick and Sza We Maj We Mage, Terrace, Martin Kenyon and Rhapsody. Which great record. Somebody Loves Me, PND and Drake. It's interesting that Drake and PND are submitting. Obviously there was like Drake's long standing boycott against the Grammys. But you know, why not submit? Why not? You know, welcome back into their to their graces. I don't know the politics of their relationship. I still think it's probably sour. I'm going to go ahead and say Jerry Can Pinnedi will not win this. I would assume on this list it'll probably be Luther. I think that's a safe bet. Best Rap Song Anxiety Dochi. The Birds Don't Sing. This is the writing award for writing. I truly think Birds Don't Sing should win. Sticky is on here as well as Is TGIF and TV off the pen. Game on. Birds don't sing. It's such an emotional record. I cried when they did it on tiny desk. I know I'm stanning clips but I love that song in that album. Best rap album. Let God sort him out clips. Glorious Glorilla. God does like Ugly Jid, gnx Kendrick and Chromacopia. Tyler crazy that Chromacopia is nominated this year because it came out like right at the cutoff, like almost what, two years ago now. So it seems like a delayed time to give this album its flowers, but I think Chromicopia should win if we're being honest. I know we have maybe some recency bias with a couple of these other albums, but Chromicopia was a cataclysmic moment and a beautiful executed album and rollout. Tyler, the creator really did his big one with that. And obviously since then he put out another album which felt like more mixtape y in essence. But we can't ignore what Chromacopia was at its release and also what it did numbers wise with immediate impact and a big one at that. So really hoping that he can get an award there. I believe those are the major ones for hip hop. I could do some jazz stuff. I mean, Robert Glasper is up for a lot of these jazz awards. That's my usual bet. It goes on him. But yeah, I'm excited for the Grammys this year. I don't know if there's a Grammy darling per se. I think Sabrina Carpenter will clean up in the pop awards. Let me go to some pop. Oh, and then there's also a rock that I want to go through as well because my boys that I love, Turnstile have a Grammy nominee which is so exciting. This is the other half of me that you guys may not know the kind of music that I'm into. Here's best rock performance, Never Enough by Turnstile. I love Turnstile. There are these young kids out of Baltimore. I saw them live at the under the Cambridge venue here in New York for their album release party. They're so fun. They're new, they're breathing like rock, restoring rock back to his essence. There's mosh pits, there's community, there's just fun and just. It's aggression, but channeled in a healthy way and just like a really fun space to operate in. And their album is incredible. Their visuals are incredible. If you're not familiar with Turnstile, go to their YouTube. Even if you don't like the music, just appreciate what you're gonna see their music videos are visually stunning. They're also nominated for best Metal Performance for Birds. Great record as well. And their whole album is nominated for best Rock album, which is freaking amazing, man. I love this. So here's the best rock album category. Private Music by the Deftones, I Quit, Haim from Zero, Linkin Park, Never Enough Turnstile, and Idols by Youngblood. I don't know, man. I would love to see Turnstile take that. That Deftones album is hard, though. And Haim is like the just darlings of rock right now, so I think maybe they'll have the best shot at that. Best Alternative music performance. Turnstile is also nominated for this Seeing Stars, which is arguably. It depends on the day, but arguably my favorite song from this album is Seeing Stars. The drums on that are incredible. If you're not familiar, go check out that record. But Seeing Stars is nominated for best Alternative music performance. Yeah, really cool stuff. They also messed with like some Baltimore house and some of their records too. Just a really fun group to listen to if you're not really tapped in with rock. It's a good start, especially from the newer guard of. Of who's stepping into that space. I'd also recommend Geese. Geese is a group out of. Out of Brooklyn. They're New York kids and they're pretty talented as well. So overall, honestly, looking in review, a strong year for. For music in this Grammy lineup. And I'm genuinely excited to see how this plays out this year. So we'll see if my predictions are right. I feel pretty good about some of these others. I think I'm leading too much with my preference. But hey, I'm human. That'll happen. Let's do a quick holiday recap. Your boy went home. I went upstate to my parents and my brother and his wife were also there. It was such a fun. Going home now at this big age is different. Everything feels more real and everything feels slowed down in a healthy way. I go home and I really just nest and it just feels like I'm just being like, hugged by my youth and I step into like a time capsule and you know, with a Lebanese mom, there's just food everywhere. And you know, when my dad and I, we just talk basketball in particular, we watched a couple Knicks game when I was home. The Knicks won. We're on a nice little streak right now. I'm actually going to the Knicks games game on Friday against the Utah Jazz. I'm very excited for that, but it's just the holidays are extremely nostalgic. And it really grounds me every year. And I've gone through a lot of difficult things at the end of these last couple years in particular, some of which the things I've spoken on on this platform, some that, you know, involved the podcast and other just, like, personal stuff as well. And it really is like a nice reset to just remind yourself off of Twitter and off of Instagram and all the fodder of the Internet that the human connection and leaning into the people that, you know, my parents, the people that raised me, know me better than anyone. It just really puts things into perspective in a good way, in a way that AI could never fucking suno. I just. I'm very fortunate to be in a position where I have those people in my life and they're always there. But then there's, you know, there's always that thing looming in the back of my mind that life is fleeting and it's fragile, and that will not always be the case. And it's really hard, I think, at this age now, it's like the thing that you talk about with your friends is like, your parents mortality a lot. And it's something that's like the unspoken elephant in the room. And I've spoken to some friends that have lost their parents to, you know, various cancers, albeit some, you know, too young and others that are just seeing life do its. Do its thing, slow things down, to put it nicely. And that's. It makes me think a lot, it makes me write a lot. And I don't know quite where I'm going with this. I wasn't planning on talking about this at all, but I think that's also a conversation that isn't had enough. And whether or not this is the appropriate time to have it to myself on camera, I think it's one that also should be had. And I think more so with my mom. We've spoken about that stuff, but I think it's healthy, too. I think it's not good to let things fester and build up, especially when it comes to those that you love the most and care about the most. I think we have this. In some cases. We rely so much on that connection between ourselves and our loved ones that we assume that they know what we're thinking. There's an assumption of, like, an energy in a room or the. The conversation that's had isn't the real one that we should have been having. But they kind of got where I was going with it kind of thing. Like, you know, and I really implore and, like, push people to have those. And I don't even want to think, I want to use the word uncomfortable. Just those real conversations that may be occupying a lot of space in your mind. And just put those things out into the ether. Because whether or not you get an answer, which most of the times you won't, at least you'll both know how you're thinking and it'll bring some level of peace instead of just holding it in the back of your mind and occupying a lot of mental space. So, yeah, I guess we'll wrap with that bit of information. But really exciting music. Heavy episode. I'm working on having some guests come on hopefully next week. And if not in person via Zoom. I'm doing a lot more active reach out, which is really fun for me, leaning into, like, some of the funny people I know online and just connecting with other people that I. That I just genuinely like their content and getting a lot of responses, which is fun because, you know, in the hip hop code of hip hop, it's quote, like lame to reach out to people like, I don't do shit. I was like the method from our. From the old show, and I just don't believe in that. So I'm finally in a space where, like, I'm like, hey, man, what are you doing? Come on. And I'm getting a lot of positive feedback. So I really look forward to having some fun people on. Some more funnies coming up soon, hopefully. But until then, I love you all. Thank you all for listening. And your boy is probably not going to sleep tonight because I'm geeked out on this double latte right now, which is probably why I've been speaking so fast this entire episode. I'm just realizing that right now, but we'll figure it out. I got a great book I'm reading right now. Maybe I'll just lean into that until then. I love you guys. Thank you so much. Have a great week. Peace.
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