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SYSK- TRENDING - What Your Dog is Really Thinking
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Discover what your dog is really thinking—and how understanding its mind can make training much easier.
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I've had dogs all my life and I think it's natural to feel as if they're one of the family and that they would protect us. And you often hear stories of dogs doing heroic things and in movies and TV shows like Lassie, when Timmy falls down the well, as he seemed to do a lot, Lassie would do anything to try to save Timmy.
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But how realistic is that?
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What are dogs really thinking? Here to discuss dog behavior and dog thinking and how to train your dog to do what you want it to do is Camilla Gray Nelson. She's author of the book Lipstick and the Dog Training a Woman's Way.
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Welcome Camilla.
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So if I fell down the well instead of Timmy, how likely is it my dog would sense that I was in danger and would want to do something to help? Because I'm thinking that what my dog would probably do is eat the sandwich that I left on the side of the well before I fell down.
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It's a lovely thought to think that our dog has feelings like humans, that they would save us from the well if we fall in. But the fact is, as with so many myths, it just isn't so. The problem with the Lassie syndrome myth is that not only does it give us false expectations of what our dog should be and should do for us that a dog can never live up to, but it actually puts us in a unsafe predicament with our dogs sometimes meaning we are not careful around dogs as the animals that they are, thinking that they are gentle, benign creatures that would never harm us.
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Yeah, I heard someone say, and maybe it was you being quoted somewhere, that you should never leave young children alone with a dog.
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Well, that is so true. And nowhere is the true nature of the dog revealed than in that Advice. Because dogs, dogs, after all, are predatory hunters. And there have been more than one case of a young child left alone with a dog that did not survive. That's a horrible thing to think about. But the fact is, dogs are hunters, and they are programmed to take advantage in their primordial state, in their instinctive state, to take advantage of the old and the young, the weak, not the strong.
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So if my dog is not thinking, how can I please you? How can I save you if you fall down the well? What is the dog? What is its motivation? What is it thinking?
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What a dog wants to know most of all is who's in charge here? And instead of thinking, how can I please you? What a dog is really doing is trying to figure out, how can I avoid displeasing my boss and my leader? Slightly different, but profoundly different in its
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application, which is a very different mindset than what we think of, that the dog is there to make us happy and to do what we, you know, get our slippers and that kind of thing.
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If a dog were truly motivated by making us happy, I, as a dog trainer, would be out of business because the dog would be pleasing us. If that's what they want to do, they would be doing it. But clearly, that's not the dog's motivation. The dog is built with an internal testing mechanism, testing behavior, trying certain things. What they're really doing with this behavior is they're testing, are you in charge of me? Who's going to stop me? Because the status of a dog in a social group is totally dependent on how he can control and limit the behaviors of others.
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So what does that mean to me as the dog owner in terms of, do I need to tell the dog in some sort of dog language that I'm in charge here?
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The way to tell your dog you're in charge, and hence to get your dog to actually want to obey you because he sees you as the leader is nothing more complicated than setting boundaries, rules, reining in your dog's freedom. The moment you start reining in your dog's freedom, instead of letting the dog go where he wants, do what he wants, and have whatever he wants, the minute you start dialing back those freedoms, you have actually put yourself in a leadership position. And it's miraculous, the change in your dog's behavior once you do that in a way that he understands from his cultural background.
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Ooh, but what about that last part? I mean, how do you know what his cultural background is?
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He's a canine. That's what I mean. In the canine world, they are seeking a leader. They're hungry for a leader. But what most people mistake for leadership is raising your voice, being intimidating, wagging your finger, and scolding your dog. You know, in his culture, that's the mark of a pretender, not a leader. Real leaders in the animal world, and this is true for all social mammals, not just dogs, but people as well. In the animal world, true leaders are marked by cool and calm control of their emotions. They are unflappable in the face of conflict. They are unflappable. That's a mark of their confidence, which makes them rise to the top. When we give in to our emotions and we start to get angry, frustrated, and let that show, the dog is actually seeing weakness, not strength. And yet I see it so often in dog owners trying to take control, but doing it through anger and frustration and punishment, which actually doesn't work.
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our SYSK trending topic today is what your dog is really thinking and my guest is dog behavior expert Camilla Gray Nelson. She's author of a book called Lipstick and the Leash. So Camilla, if you want to correct a behavior that the dog is doing, a negative behavior, pooping in the house or chewing up the furniture, how do you correct the behavior without making it clear, without pointing out this is bad?
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You can correct a behavior by stopping it and limiting it. But if you do it without anger, that's the secret. You see what I'll do? Let's take jumping for example. What a dog does to stop another dog from jumping on him is to whip around and bark right in that dog's face. That bark is not angry, more pragmatic. Basically it says, excuse me, but I don't allow you to jump on me. They're not screaming when they do it, they're just pragmatically saying I don't allow that. That's what I mean by boundaries. I can't bark like a dog, but what I do have is a little device pennies in a can. I'm going to let you listen to it right now. Hear that? That had no emotion in it, but it was like a bark. It was a startling sudden noise that I can meet my dog's jump with. Pardon the grammar and the dog will understand. Oh, I didn't like how that turns out for me. I'm not a bad dog. I just didn't like how that turned out for me. Dogs are results driven and you give a result that's slightly less pleasant than the behavior you want them to achieve. And they will avoid that behavior. Indeed, correction is absolutely necessary, but if it's infused with anger or made as punishment, then you go over into the dark side and it actually won't work.
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Well, what about when the dog does things when you're not around?
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Well, what a good question is that. Dogs as pack animals are not designed to live alone. They do not have an off switch or a conscience because they were designed to live under the supervision of other dogs in a group situation 24 7. So what you have to do when you leave, if your dog is of an age where he's still experimenting with behaviors and waiting for someone to stop him, if you're not there to stop him, you must confine the dog to a space where he's not able to live out his experimentations. He's not tempted by things he can't. Pee on your carpet, destroy your shoes, steal food off the counter. Like I say, you lock the liquor cabinet when you leave. And that's sometimes crating the dog, sometimes putting them in a small room, sometimes an outdoor dog run, depending on your environment and your dog.
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Well, but it's hard to remember to do that all the time.
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Well, that's not the dog's fault, I
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guess not, is it?
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But we're having, you know, it is our responsibility. It's interesting once you get into that mindset though, and women can be quite good at this because what do we do with two year olds when we need to take a shower or a one year old, we put them in a playpen. See, you get into a mindset of when you can't supervise, you need to confine safely somehow. And so remembering to do that becomes second nature once you get into that habit.
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But what does the dog ever stop trying?
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Indeed, a dog will stop trying to bend the rules when he knows what the rules are. The dog will try to figure out the rules if they're not clear to him. And when they're in a young developmental stage, as a dog grows and matures and you have done a good job of keeping the rules consistent, they eventually stop trying as often. Here's my analogy. Dogs are like Jello and they're like soft jello. When you first get a dog and you start Training them into the ways of your home. You are the mold. The dog is the jello. If you take the mold off too soon, you know what happens to the jello. Keep the mold on long enough till that dog is habituated into the form of the behaviors that you want, and then you can take the mold off and the jello will retain its shape. The dog will be habituated into good behaviors. People take the mold off the jello. They take the rules away from the dog too soon, or they never put it on at all.
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Do dogs, as you said earlier, are looking to know who's the leader. But do dogs ever say, hey, I want to be the leader?
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Oh, indeed. Dogs say that. Dogs of a certain personality will say that routinely. And a dog that wasn't even born with a personality suited for the corner, you know, for the penthouse office will take charge if nobody else does. They are so driven towards that organization that a dog will take charge if you don't. Now, the dogs that are born with confident personalities that, if in nature left to their own devices, would take the lead role, those dogs are more challenging. They do not readily take orders because they feel they should be giving them. In my book, Lipstick and the Leash, I talk about how to deal with dogs of that ilk or people, by the way, and it's a different kind of methodology. You come at things from the sides. You don't meet head on, you avoid confrontation and argument, and you use sweet influence instead.
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When dogs jump over people, when they come over, what are they doing?
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When dogs jump on you or others, it's an interesting behavior because it has multiple purposes. Yes, it's a greeting. Dogs jump on each other to greet. It's also a very subtle testing and ranking ritual. A dog that's allowed to jump on another dog consistently is the dominant dog. A dog that's allowed to jump on you consistently without you ever saying, I don't allow that, can be led to believe that he has more power in the relationship or in the home than you do. So jumping is a ranking ritual as well as something that's fun. What I recommend for dogs that are crazy jumpers, when guests arrive, have a leash handy. When the doorbell rings, put a leash on your dog's collar. You can control his behavior by that simple act and let him know subtly but clearly that you are running the show.
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That does seem to be the key is to let them know that you are running the show.
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And running the show does not involve yelling. Running the show is simply knowing what you want, following through and getting it, even if it takes a while. It's not how fast you get a response or obedience. It's the fact that you eventually get it. What I find as a dog trainer of 24 years and counting and after 10,000 plus clients is that to a client, to a dog owner, they do not understand dogs. They've owned dogs, they've loved dogs, they've had many dogs, but they don't truly understand how the dog thinks, how his culture works, and how he's programmed by nature to act and react. Until you really understand a dog and dog life and dog culture, you cannot successfully train a dog.
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Well, I know it's so easy to
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treat a dog like a member of the family and almost as if the dog is a person.
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But as you've clearly pointed out, you
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know, people are people and dogs are dogs and we need to respect, respect the differences.
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Camilla Gray Nelson has been my guest. She is author of the book Lipstick
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and the Leash, Dog Training a Woman's Way.
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And you'll find a link to her
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book in the show notes.
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And that's it for this week's Sysk trending episode. I'm Mike Carruthers. Thanks for listening today to something you should know.