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Tom Jane
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Ryan Sprague
Or not. We are outgunned and we are outmanned.
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Tom Jane
We have each other. FX is the Bear the final season.
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Spectre Vision Radio Host
Spectre Vision Radio. While our government's official position is not to speculate on this subject, we can choose to let our minds explore other possibilities to use our imaginations for if we consider that astro scientists agree on the possibility of life elsewhere is not only quite probable, some feel it is there without a doubt. Let us suppose then that these objects are real space vehicles, extraterrestrial in origin and not an illusion of the mind.
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Ryan Sprague
This is somewhere in the skies with ryan sprague. Welcome everyone back to Somewhere in the Skies and a huge warm welcome to first Time Guest Tom Jane. I can't believe you're on my show, man. This is like a dream come true. How you doing?
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Tom Jane
Right on. Yeah, I'm hanging in there. I'm hanging in there. Sunny Silver Lake, California.
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Ryan Sprague
I love it, man. I love it. Well, hey, you know, some people are probably wondering why you're on a UFO podcast. And we will get to that for sure. You've been making some waves in the UFO research community, and a lot of the times when sort of celebrities get involved with this topic, people kind of say, oh, they're just, you know, they just got interested. They think they know everything about it. But then someone like you comes along with, like, 15 years of experience with this topic. It's very clear from the work I've seen you do on the UFO topic. So I'm really excited to dig into that stuff. But I have to ask, as a playwright, as a screenwriter, as someone who's dipped my toes into the. The Hollywood world, can I ask you a few actor questions? Is that cool?
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Tom Jane
You got it shooting?
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Ryan Sprague
All right. Awesome. Awesome. So, you know, I guess the. The. The easiest question, the most obvious, would be, what got you into acting? What got you into the entertainment industry? You probably answered it a million times, but, yeah. How did that start?
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Tom Jane
I was a juvenile delinquent in high school and got involved with the arts program. I played football, and then I also got involved with the. The art crowd. So I was this weird guy who would hang out with the jocks and the art nerds, and I started painting sets because that's what we did.
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Ryan Sprague
We.
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Tom Jane
We built and painted the sets for the high school play. And I would, you know, we'd always make fun of these idiots that would get up on stage, but I was always cutting up and, you know, playing practical jokes and stuff. And then my friends thought it would be hilarious if I auditioned for the play, got a part, and then we had this elaborate scheme where we were going to destroy the set during the production. Right. And I was. It was, you know, but we needed an actor on stage to be able to pull it off. So we were really serious about this. And I auditioned, and I did get the part in the play. And as rehearsals went on and as we were building the sets and stuff, and I, you know, oh, my God, like, I gotta get up on stage in front of people. Like, this is, like, serious. So I started memorizing my lines and rehearsing by myself. And I came to the conclusion that, you know what? This is super fun and a challenge. And so I I was went to my, my carpenter buddies and my art guys painting the scenery and I was like, guess what? We're not gonna destroy this set. Abort, abort, abort. That thing is off. And I wanna. And we went ahead and did the play and, and it was sort of a miraculous experience for me. Changed my life and I suddenly knew what I wanted to do with myself. I think I was 14.
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Ryan Sprague
Well, you know, time progressed and, you know, you started doing films and television and all that stuff. And, you know, a lot of our viewers probably will know you as I do, mostly from things like you were played the Punisher, you played Mickey Mantle. You've been in several Stephen King adaptations.
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Tom Jane
Three of them.
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Ryan Sprague
Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. But a project that really is near and dear to my heart and a lot of the sci fi nerds out there obviously is probably the expanse. Not only you starring in this show, but you also had the opportunity to direct it as well. So what was that experience like, being on sort of the other side of the camera?
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Tom Jane
Well, they made me, they made me earn it. You know, I expressed a real desire to direct an episode and because I love directing and I wanted to get into it and I knew it would be a good experience and also, you know, just a tick on my resume so I could do more of that kind of thing. And because I was, you know, part of the reason how they got their financing in the first place. I was the first actor they brought on board to sort of green light the thing. They, they said, all right, we owe you one, so you can do it. But you got a shadow. One of our directors, Brett Eisner, terrific guy, and really, really took me under his wing, you know, as far as the television, the, the art and the craft and the politics of directing television. But they made me shadow this guy for a month.
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Spectre Vision Radio Host
Wow.
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Tom Jane
Like, and, and he had said, you know, he's like, you know, every now and then an actor will express a desire to direct. So we ask, you know, that you, you have to shadow the director. And usually they, they do that for about three days and then they decide, you know what, this isn't really what I really want to do. And thanks very much. And, and. But I showed up five days a week for four weeks, put on my pants at 5 o' clock in the morning, went out there and sat, you know, in the chair next to the director and followed him around through all the production meetings and all the rehearsals and, and all of the, you know, the pre production and Then I was stuck around and, and as he filmed the episodes. So, you know, they were kind of probably hoping that I would have the same reaction that all the other actors did. But, you know, I was like, all right, so now what? And they gave me an episode and I absolutely had a blast. You know, I'm really proud of the episode. I. It's season five episode. Oh, Jesus.
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Ryan Sprague
I think so. I mean, every job I would imagine on a set has its own, you know, actors respect what a director does, directors respect what an actor does. But what was that like? Like when you're the director, you're kind of the head of everything. It's your vision kind of going into it to have the final say in a lot of stuff. Was that in a lot of pressure.
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Tom Jane
I found that, you know, directings have been around sets for so long that. And I am a visual guy. I've done graphic novels and, and always played around with a camera. So that part I knew my way around. I worked with a storyboard guy. And as far as like plotting the episode is like, that comes. I can do that in my sleep. And it's like the most fun part. The other part is managing all the different personalities that. And also when, when I stepped into that role as an actor, which the great thing about the Expanse is all the crew came back year after year because it was such a great environment. So when we would get greenlit for another season and start production, all the crew, which is a great crew, so they were always working on something else, they would drop that, find themselves a replacement and come up, come over and, and start the Expanse with us. So we had a core group of people that came back year after year. So it was a really tight knit group that I knew very well, having done four seasons as an actor, but stepping into the director role, everyone has a slightly different reaction. You know, some people think, you know, it's vanity. Other people are jealous because they want, want to do that and you're doing the thing that they want to do. We had, I had to negotiate some of that, but with a good sense of humor and over preparation, you know, because there's always a little bit of a test, like, does this guy even know what the hell he's doing? I mean, that, that's true every time you step in to a set, whether it's film or television, for sure. But, you know, people sort of want to kind of get a sense of whether or not they're wasting their time.
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Ryan Reynolds
Yeah.
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Tom Jane
And a lot of times you are, but there's a certain shift that happens when a crew realizes that they're not wasting their time, that this guy is passionate, that he, you know, seems to know what the hell he's talking about, then people will go the extra mile for you.
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Ryan Sprague
Right?
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Tom Jane
And that's sort of the other thing as a director. You want to be able to prove, in a way, you want to be able to demonstrate that, you know, what the hell you're doing. They have a specific vision that you can communicate that vision to the crew and to the actors and that they get on board with it. They're like, you know what? That's a good idea. Let's do that.
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Ryan Sprague
Yeah.
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Tom Jane
And if they don't think it's a good idea, you want to create the freedom for someone to be able to, you know, even if they don't say it, even if they just kind of cross their hands and, you know, kind of looked. Look off in a. In their eyes glaze over, then, you know, okay, I haven't sold these. These folks. I haven't sold my DP on this shot. What's wrong with it? And then you can have. Create that dialogue where, you know, hopefully you're doing a job where what comes out at the end of the day is better than what you would have been able to come up with on your own. But to do that, you have to have a vision. You have to have a specific, usually, or at least from my point of view, an emotional vision of what you want to communicate. And there's always several different ways of getting that emotional point across, but you have to know where you want to make that point, how to get there, what the buildup is, what the climax is, and then what happens after that. And I find that if you can get people on board, then it becomes a celebratory process of discovery instead of sort of the work a day kind of grind that making movies can be if. If you're just kind of going through the motions.
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Ryan Sprague
Okay, so the Punisher is my fiance's all time favorite comic book character. So again, she freaked out when she heard you were coming on. But we also are huge Arrested Development fans, and our favorite episode is the one you were featured in. So could you briefly describe the experience of being on that set? What that was like, your character on that was just incredible.
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Tom Jane
That was a lot of fun. They. They asked me to do it. I think that I was the second actor that they asked. Whoever they asked before me had passed, so they were happy to have me. And, you know, because it was a kind of a part of going on and playing a version of yourself. I found those guys to be super bright. The set was very fun. It was full of creativity and ideas and, and you just knew, you know, walking in you're like, okay, this is a good show where people are passionate about what they're doing and they, they, they, they app. Appreciate the good sense of humor and yeah, so we had a lot of fun.
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Spectre Vision Radio Host
Awesome.
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Ryan Sprague
That's good to hear. Like, it's always good to hear that actors have good experiences, especially if it's just like a cameo or like a one time thing.
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Tom Jane
And I, I just wanted my kids back.
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Ryan Sprague
Thank you for that. That's gonna be the clip that I put out there. So thank you, Tom. I appreciate that, buddy. Okay, last two actor questions before we get into what we're here to really talk about. That's UFOs, can you tell us a little bit about Renegade Entertainment, this company that you've created?
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Tom Jane
So getting in a, you know, second half of my career, I started a production company and we're, you know, you've been around for a while and sort of know thing how things run and definitely have something to contribute to the production side of things. So me and Courtney Penn, who's a terrific producer who I have known from working on a pre. Another project that we didn't get off the ground but what we did do is form a really solid working relationship. So Courtney and I have been at this for. Since right before the pandemic 2019. Geez, almost five years now. We've done a, we've done several films, we've worked on Amazon Prime, Tropo. So that's something that I also, I produced, I starred in and I also directed a couple of the episodes of Tropo which I'm really proud of. Great Australian production crew, great story. The novel is called Crimson Lake. It's a series of, I think there's three of them right now by Candace Fox. So any crime people out there? Candace cut her teeth with James Patterson. They he, he likes to like recruit young writers and do projects together. Candace is sort of her, her child star. I say that she's in her 30s, but she's full of ideas. A wonderful novelist. So the Candace Fox Crimson Lake series is highly recommended. Anything by her. She's done a great job. And, and so we had a lot of fun adapting, developing and creating the season of Chapo. It's a detective thing. It's a, you know that my partner is this crazy 25 year old lady who's been Just got out of prison for, for killing her best friend. And she decides she wants to start a detective agency. And I play this, this cop who's hiding out from the world because he was accused of this terrible crime and you know, got splashed over the tabloid. So he like took off into the jungles of Australia. Northern Australia is actually really tropical because it's closer to the equator and there's alligators and giant spiders and snakes and it's just, it's a nasty place to, to try to shoot a show. But it looks great. I call it Jungle Noir. I love it up there.
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Ryan Sprague
You birthed a new genre. I love it. I love it. So the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. This is pretty cool as we get into UFOs. We've had Dave Foley on the show a few times.
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Tom Jane
Yeah, I did a show with Dave. He's great.
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Ryan Sprague
He's awesome. So what is this? Can you kind of give our audience a feel for what the Hollywood Disclosure alliance is? And right.
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Tom Jane
The hda, we just started it in November of last year. But what the idea is that every now we've, we started with I think 12. Now we're up to 130 members. All of the, you know, really big names in ufology are now members. And the idea is similar to something called the Science and Entertainment Exchange, which was started, I don't know, about a decade ago. But they said, you know what, what if we could inject a little bit more scientific realism into movies so when people do stuff like interstellar, they can get to Kip Thorne to help figure out, you know, what would the time dilation around a black hole and how that would really go down, you know, and then as producers and writers, they'll change it all back and it'll, it'll all be Hollywood fantasy. But at least you have an opportunity to be hooked up with a particular scientist from whatever field it is that you're telling a story about or need a, a piece of, to inject into your story. And the hope was that when kids and people watch movies, they get a little bit of the flavor of the real science behind a phenomenon. So the Hollywood Disclosure alliance has done the same thing with ufology, with, you know, UFOs, alien intelligence and Hollywood. So, so when people have a story, we're trying to sort of bring a little bit more realism into television and film. So we can hook you up with, if you're a producer or writer or you've got a story that you're working on, we can hook you up with people who really know their way around ufology, the history, the field, the state of the art of what people are thinking about today and hopefully inject a little bit more realism into the stories, you know, which kind of sounds like an oxymoron, you know, when you talk most people still today, when you're talking about UFOs and aliens, you're like, yeah, you know, that is, that is fantasy, you know, but the truth, that couldn't be further from the truth, actually.
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Ryan Sprague
Right.
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Tom Jane
So the, the world that we're really living in, the actual world, reality, you know, reality. So my dad was, I was such a kind of a daydreamer as a kid. My dad used to slap his hands and go, reality. I'll never forget that. But the reality of the situation is that we do live in a universe populated with advanced intelligences and that some of these are visiting our planet. That's, that's the truth. That's reality. There's no debate about this. This is not a debate. This is if, if you're not, you know, you may have never been to the Amazonian rainforest and met a pygmy, trust me, that, you know, they exist. Like, we know they exist. We trust the people that have been there. We've seen them on camera, we, we've watched some documentaries. They're not actors, they're real little pygmies that live, you know, either in Africa or in the Amazonian rainforest. And just as I have never been to the Amazonian rainforest, but I know that there's tribes that live there. Well, you know, I may have never seen a UFO with my own eyes, but I know they exist and I know that they, they are piloted by intelligent intelligences that aren't human.
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Ryan Sprague
That kind of brings us up to Tom. You recently spoke at Contact in the Desert, an event I've taken part in a few years ago. And this is where a lot of big conversations happen out there, like Palm Springs and whatnot. What was that experience? Like, what was. You gave like a lecture, a workshop? Like, you were all in on this, man. What was that like?
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Tom Jane
I did, I was very honored to be invited and I showed up with bells on and I worked really hard on my 90 minute presentation. It was called When Worlds Collide. And I worked really hard on it and I got a great response from the audience. So it was very gratifying. But for me it was great to be able to meet some of the people that I've been following for several years now, you know, the people that I really admire, like Richard Dolan, like You know, Paul Hynek, Steve Bassett, who's. But pretty much spearheading the disclosure movement. Linda Moulton Howe, you know, Avi Loeb phoned in to. At one time we had, I think, 60 of some of the top UFO researchers down there and getting to be able to sort of talk to them and exchange ideas and sort of get the lay of the land. It's a way of. Because apparently this particular. I've never been to another one, but this particular UFO conference was, is designed to kind of be able to put you in close contact with these, these folks. I had a fantastic time. It's a great show. Apparently it's the best UFO congress in the, in the United States, at least on the West Coast. It was a terrific time.
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Ryan Sprague
So good to hear like that communal sort of process. Like, you're right, a lot of the times you go to, you know, whatever comic book conventions or even a lot of these UFO conferences, it is very like you are the audience, they are the speaker. They're right. You are the one learning. But it's good to know that, like, everyone can kind of be on the same page and an equal footing there. What did you talk about, if I may ask?
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Tom Jane
So you might notice some calling these modern things seen in the sky ufo. Call them whatever you like. Ufo. Uap. You do you, man, I'll stick with ufo. Why? To preserve the lineage of the pioneers of ufology that came before us. I ask you to Jay Allen Hynek, study UAP. Stanton Friedman, Frank Edwards, Donald Kehoe, Dr. James McDonald, Amy Michelle Jacques Vallee, Wendell Stevens, Bob Dean, Jim and Coral Lorenzen, Leonard Stringfield. I mean, so many. And that's not even mentioning the abduction researchers. Anne Druffle. Who remembers her? John Carpenter, Barbara Lamb, Raymond Fowler Hopkins, Mack Jacobs. I mean, the list goes on and on. So out there they can argue whether UAP or Russian or Chinese. We know what they are, thanks to the people who came before us. Now we want to know why. We want to know, who are they? We want to know why they've been here for 80 years. Why are they so elusive? Could aliens help us to learn, to survive what Carl Sagan called our technological adolescence and become a sustainable civilization? Are they here to help us or hurt us or. Or something else? Why do aliens want us to know they're here? We have some new clues, I think, to some of these fundamental questions about aliens. So I think it's time to start exploring the hard problems of ufology. My interest, you know, I, I wrote a book. I've been working on for several years. It's called A Human's Guide to Visiting Aliens. And my interest lies in, you know, we're limited in sort of how much we can actually learn about aliens, because that I have a huge interest in. What is that? What is an advanced alien society? What is their technology like? What, how do they run their civilization? What are their goals, you know, as a civilization? Do they have any? Are they like us? Because we're pretty much a rudderless society with no real overarching goal except for making money, right? Which is a complete sham and that's falling apart. And it's not working for us, and it's not going to work for us. You know, we, we can see the end of that train. Whatever we're doing out here, what we're doing is making trash. We're really good. I mean, if you go to these trash piles, they are massive. This is really one of the biggest human constructions, if not the biggest besides roads is trash. I think there's an island the size of Texas of trash in the Pacific Ocean. And that's just a fraction of the trash that we make ends up in the ocean. So we're trash people living on a trash planet. And I don't mean to denigrate the beautiful things that we do. And we have wonderful life experiences. We certainly do. And the personal sort of experience of being a human being is very rewarding and a lot to learn and incredible. But as a society, we can tell that we're, we're running into a dead end. So the question is, you know, I, I, what I don't think is that aliens are going to come down here and hand us some, you know, free energy machines because we just figure out how to blow up with it. But I also think that they have, just by their presence on the planet and have allowed us to start asking bigger questions. So by studying alien intelligence, what little we know, we can learn. What we, what we do learn is, is, is about ourselves, about what it means to be human, about what, what the universe it really is, you know, then you can get into consciousness, you can get into evolution, right? Because if human, if humanoid aliens are running around on our planet and they're presumably from other planets, then what does that tell us about evolution? We don't know, you know, because there's a couple of different explanations for humanoid aliens. One of them is that they're bio by their, their avatars. They're created entities. They're extraterrestrial biological organisms that have been manufactured using genes found on this planet in order to do work on this planet. But my feeling is, and it's just a sense is that the aliens that are creating these biological organisms very well may be humanoid themselves. And I think that we've also met some or people on this planet, have met aliens that, that are, you know, actual sort of genuine organisms, if you can. If that's a, if that's a concept that we can get behind. What it does is open up some fascinating avenues that we can pursue in order to better our understand the universe that we live in and ourselves and thereby create a world that may be sustainable and actually give us a shot at becoming an advanced civilization ourselves one day, you know, because obviously we're at a bottleneck right now. There's several bottlenecks that societies go through that may or may not kill off. That's that civilization, and we're at one right now. It would, it wouldn't, it wouldn't surprise very many people if we said we have a, we've got 50 years left or 100 years left, you know, to sort of figure this out. We're at sort of a crisis point. And, and I think that whether it's by design or not, by taking alien visitation seriously, we can bootstrap our way out of this mess.
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Ryan Sprague
I. I think everyone can sort of feel it, you know, that we're. We're on the brink of something when it comes to our own planet. And when it comes to possible like contact with something that might not be from here or, or right or from a different time even. You got the whole aliens are us from the future I talk about, I
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Tom Jane
did talk about that in worlds collide. And my understanding now, and of course it, it evolves. My understanding now is not what it was a year ago, is not what it was two years ago, but my understanding right now and, and, and I'm love to hear what I think about this a year from now, but I think that. There's a reason why visiting aliens have made them. See, the major question is for me, not that, you know, aliens exist, but why do they want us to know that they're here? Because they certainly have the technology to hide themselves completely and may have done so in the past, but These stories about UFOs and alien contact and alien encounters, they're, they're numbering in the thousands, the hundreds of thousands, the millions over time. And that can only mean that they, they want us to know that they're here. So why, why do they want us to know they're here and why do they want us to know that they are here now?
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Ryan Sprague
You know, are those, Tom, are those questions you're still, I mean, I'm sure they are still asking yourself or do you think you might have some ideas as to why they're here or why they make contact?
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Tom Jane
Yeah, well, you have to go through when the phenomenon started, which is in the 40s. You know, we've got the, what is it, the Missouri crash in 41 and then you've got Roswell and in 47. And the 47, it just explodes. Suddenly they're everywhere and it becomes front page. And I like to point out that we're. Our society was more openly talking about UFOs in the night in 1952 than, than they are today. So even though it feels like this great opening or awakening or relaxing of the secrecy has happened over the past four years, we're still not at the point where we were in 52. Military government were much more open about the phenomenon and what they didn't know in 52 than they are than they are today. So we haven't yet surpassed. So in other words, it's a merry go round.
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Ryan Sprague
Yeah.
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Tom Jane
And whether we surpass that or not, then, then we can say, okay, now we're getting somewhere, you know, but as far as. Yeah, so 47, the, the, the atom bomb is the, the big sort of, you know, calling card that most of us say aliens are certainly attracted to. The Great Book UFOs and nukes highly recommend anybody check that out. And they have a long and storied relationship with our nuclear weapons. They also have a long and Storied relationship with aliens communicating very little to humanity. But what some of the things they do communicate, one of them is you're screwing up the planet. Thanks very much. You know, did you have to fly all this way just to tell us that? We know that, but we are, you know, and they're telling us that. So what does that mean? So I think that we are at an inflection point. That's why they're here. I think that not maybe it's not so much nukes as it is the technology that nuclear energy, nuclear weapons represents. It's your playing around with reality at the atomic level that is going to unlock vistas of new technologies that we're still exploring now. And you get into nanotechnology, you get into quantum mechanics, I mean we're really starting to play with the fabric of reality and that potentially makes us dangerous. So I think the part of the reason they're here is to monitor us because we could acquire sort of too much technology too fast and make us dangerous. We're one scientific revolution away. And we've already done it, in my opinion, in secret programs. We already cracked gravity, you know, and we're doing that thanks to the craft that aliens have left behind. That's not accidental. Aliens don't accidentally drop their trash off and go, oh that's okay. The, they'll never figure it out anyway. We're smart enough to figure stuff out. We might not be able to replicate their technology exactly because we don't have the tools that construct reality at the atomic level. The way I believe that alien technology is constructed, you know, 3D printing, imagine a 3D printer that's building with quarks and atoms. You know, instead of sort of aluminum, right. You look at a, at concrete, you pour some concrete, you cut down some trees, you build a house. You know, if you dig in, it's very crude materials that we're still working with. Yeah. You know, but you know, we are now learning quantum tunneling with this crazy thing, right. We're using quantum tunneling to store information in this incredible machine. So we're not that far away. And in secret, I think that Russia, America, maybe the French, China most probably, that's probably a certainty. Maybe the French have already built reverse engineered alien technology. You know that they're doing it. America is not the only place that they've left these craft behind.
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Ryan Sprague
Right.
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Tom Jane
They've been let. The Chinese are really tight lipped, it's hard to get any information. But we do know that that UFOs are crashed in Russia, we do know that people are obviously trying to figure out how these things work. And they've. To some extent, it's allowed humans to think about physics in a new way. Right? Aliens know this. You got to figure whatever we know, not only do aliens know that we know it, aliens want us to know it. There's no other explanation. They're okay with us knowing this stuff, right? So that. So they may have handed us technology that we can use ourselves to change our civilization, but the rest is up to us because that's been, as Dolan calls it, sequestered in a breakaway civilization. Right, this technology.
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Ryan Sprague
Right.
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Tom Jane
And why is that? I'll tell you why I think that is. It's because the people who control the power structures of the world want to stay in power. And this technology represents a complete democratization of power, of technology, of the control of reality. And that's not okay, for we're still living in medieval power structures here. We still live under kings, queens, knaves, slaves. That's us. That's our world. We've changed the names.
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Ryan Sprague
We've
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Tom Jane
pretended that the slaves are free. We told them that they're free. We're not free. The hell we're free. You know, it used to be chains. Now it's blockchain. That's what's. That's what's tying us down.
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Ryan Sprague
And.
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Tom Jane
And the people who are in power have been in power for a very long time, and they want to keep it that way. So of course they're going to keep that technology secret because it's. It's a threat to the power structure of our world. So aliens have given us the opportunity to realize that we haven't figured out everything about reality that, you know, we don't need to fill up our rockets at Exxon to get to the moon, which is what we've been doing until now, you know. Yeah, we don't need to do that. So they've kind of given us the keys to the kingdom, but it's up to us to implement it. So the only thing that's missing from the equation today is spreading the word, you know, of. Get.
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Commercial Narrator
Of a.
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Tom Jane
Of raising the consciousness of society to the point where, metaphorically, we rush the gates and open the warehouses and, and then democratize the information that, you know, aliens have, you know, left lying around in the desert or in the mountains, you know, so obviously, alien intelligence respects our civilization enough to allow. To give us the opportunity to figure these things out for ourselves. Okay? There's a good reason why they don't come down and land in the Walmart parking lot and start handing out, you know, free energy generators, right? There's a good reason for that because if we don't figure it out ourselves, we'll never own it. It'll always be handed down. Right. So when things are handed down, then that automatically creates a sort of a subservient slash master relationship. And obviously, you know, it wouldn't be too difficult to do if aliens wanted to create that kind of relationship. But I think that the, you know, the strongest civilization that would, might eventually have something to offer the cosmic ecology out there would be a civilization that's learned to do these things ourselves, you know?
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Ryan Sprague
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, that kind of brings us up to now, Tom. I mean, you have things like David Grush swearing under oath that he knows where these craft are, he knows who's, he knows who is working on them, and he kind of wants that this embargo, you know, kind of what you've been talking about, he wants these people who are in possession of this technology to come clean. So do you buy what Grush has brought forward and all of the intelligence official stuff?
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Tom Jane
What has been brought forward only reinforces and reiterates what we've already known. If you've studied the subject, if you've taken interest, if you've bothered to listen to people who've had first hand experiences with either technology or the aliens themselves, we know. So nothing that Grush has said is a surprise to, to any of us who have studied the subject. So it only reinforces what we already think we know. So it's great. It's, you know, what, what he's done is sort of created a, you know, a mouthpiece. He's created a bullhorn to sort of project some of this information to a wider audience. But what, what hasn't been communicated is the seriousness, the stakes, you know, and we're building a movie or a character. The first question is, what are the stakes? This has to mean something. You know, that's why Hollywood, like, it's always like, if we don't, if we don't stop this guy, the world will end. Like, can you get bigger stakes than that? How's that? You know, that's why the studios love that. You know, if these sharks get out, they're gonna eat everything in the ocean and we'll all be dead in five years. Like, we have to stop this or the world is over. Like, what are the stakes? And the stakes are world, world changing. The stakes are the difference between a collapsing Civilization, chaos and, and a continuation of sort of the robber baron society that we're all living in now, or freedom, you know, and, and hope and a, a new understanding, a, a Copernican revolution in our understanding of the universe, of our place in it. So we haven't had a revolution this big since Copernicus. Right. And they kept him, they kept that idea under wraps for, I forget how like hundreds of years they were able to, they were able to keep that information sort of in the closet for a good many generations before it finally sort of took over and, and became the Copernican revolution. We're in a similar place today. Okay, so it, the importance of when you dig in, you find that the. There is nothing. There is no other topic. This is the only topic. There is no other subject. This is the only subject. There is no other case. This is the only case. Yeah, that's a quote from the Verdict.
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Ryan Sprague
Well, I've got a couple listener questions if you're willing to squeeze those in for me. I appreciate that. So our Patreon subscribers get priority to ask guest questions, so I'm going to start with them. Alex P. On Patreon asks. The Expanse deals with colonization and there has been talk of colonizing plan places like Mars. How far off do you think something like the Expanse is? And do you believe we should be colonizing other planets?
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Tom Jane
Well, when you ask Musk about aliens, he, he says, I see no evidence. And that's on point, that's on target for his colonization project because the only reason to start to colonize other planets is the continuation of the human species. Right. And if aliens exist and there's thousands of other civilizations out there, then it's not so important for the continuation of intelligence in the universe whether or not humans survive. And indeed it's not intelligence, beauty, appreciation of the universe, science, all that will continue when the human race is gone. So it's not crucial to the survival of intelligence in the universe that human beings survive and thrive, but it is crucial to us. We'd like to continue. We would like to continue and, and create new chapters and a new history in the evolution and be a part of the evolution of the universe in whatever form that takes. So it's very important to us. So it's important also that, that Musk stays away from the topic of other alien intelligences out there. That's on point. We have bigger problems on this planet right now. And the main problem is, and possibly one of the reasons if, if we are being sort of modulated, managed by an alien intelligence. One of the reasons for that could be that we don't know how to take care of this planet. So if we export our civilization to, say, some other world, say we discover anti gravity. And by the way, once you, once you unhook matter from mass, that's interstellar travel. Because light travels at the speed of now the distance, it's only from a human perspective that it takes a hundred thousand years for a photon to cross the Milky Way. Right. From light's perspective, there is no time. So if you were able to create a craft that was massless, you would travel from your perspective in zero time. Once you turned on the switch and then turned it off again, you're anywhere you want to be in the universe in zero time. A million years may have gone by on your home planet, but who gives a about about them, honestly? You know, it's only us on Earth. We're like, oh my God, I won't get to see. They will never come back. It's like, no, they're gone. You know, I would take that deal in a heartbeat.
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Ryan Sprague
Would you?
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Tom Jane
Yes, someone offered me. Yeah, go out and, you know, I'd want to say goodbye to some people, but hell yes, of course I know. I'm sure a lot of people would.
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Ryan Sprague
So Rodrigo B. On Patreon asks, are there any other actors or celebrities you speak to about UFOs or that have had UFO sightings? Yeah. Do you guys ever share. Share stories when you're on sets or anything like that, or what do people think of your interest in the topic?
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Tom Jane
I, I don't know because I've just, I wouldn't have. Well, I wrote the book, so I do want people to read it. I, I think it has something to offer that other books don't, which is why I wrote it. And so I want people to read it. So I knew that eventually I'd have to sort of start talking about this stuff. But if I had my way or what, I wouldn't, you know, this would be a private pursuit and I'm perfectly happy with that. A private pursuit for 15 years. So it's a transition. I don't know what other people think about it. I don't really care. You know, it's sort of like, you know, the, the priests who came and, you know, to Copernicus and told them all about God. It's like, yeah, thanks, you know, which is great. And there might be a God, but we're not the center, you know, we're not in the center and that's all he was saying, we're not the center of the universe.
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Somewhere in the Skies Announcer
Right.
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Tom Jane
It's all he was saying. You know, people had a hard time with that for a long time, but now we can incorporate all of our religious and spiritual ideas into reality. And that's, by the way, where it lives. If spirituality lives in the universe, it lives in reality. So it's us that needs to catch up to it, you know, which is the same thing. I think the relationship between us and aliens we need to go to is obviously offering the opportunity for us to do that, but we need to take the steps toward alien intelligence. They are not going to put it this way. If they do. You know, suddenly you start seeing UFOs hovering over every city. That's a really bad sign.
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Spectre Vision Radio Host
Fine.
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Ryan Sprague
I was just gonna say that can't be a good thing. Yeah. 100. I agree. So all things unexplained on Twitter asks, might we see you reprise your awesome version of the Punisher in any part of the MCU's universe or anything like that?
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Tom Jane
I think so. But I'd love to direct something like that. You know, I really have a soft spot for that kind of story, if anyone hasn't seen it. I. I did a short film called dirty laundry on YouTube, so check that out if you want a little bit more Frank Castle from me. But I've always been looking for that. I've. I love those. Those stories that came out of the 70s, those. The anti hero and all that. And I think that there's a pendulum, and I think that we might be swinging towards the anti hero a little bit more today and over the next few years. So I. I would love to. Always got my ear to the ground for a good anti hero story.
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Somewhere in the Skies Announcer
Awesome, man.
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Ryan Sprague
Hey, we're rooting for you. Michael H. On Twitter asks last listener question. Do you remember visiting Cape Girardeau, Missouri, to film Kill Shot? And do you know how significant Cape Girardeau is in UFO history? I think you mentioned that crash earlier in our conversation.
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Ryan Reynolds
Right?
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Tom Jane
1941. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No, but I didn't know. I didn't know that at the time.
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Ryan Sprague
Okay.
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Tom Jane
At the time, I was there filming with Mickey Rourke and Diane Lane, who's terrific. Terrific lady. Mickey's great, too. But no, I had. I was absolutely oblivious to the significance.
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Ryan Sprague
Yeah.
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Tom Jane
At that time. And if I ever get a chance to go back, that's one thing I'd love to do, is sort of hunt down sort of where that happened or where people think that happened. I think that would be a Fun field trip.
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Ryan Sprague
It would. Well, Michael H, he actually's added here. I'll give him a tour if he ever returns, so.
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Tom Jane
Terrific.
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Ryan Sprague
I'll put you guys in touch for sure. Tom, last question before I let you go. I know you're, You're a busy man. Where do you think this is all heading, Tom? I mean, disclosure wise, right? Disclosure even a thing that you, you think will ever happen or.
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Tom Jane
Disclosure is not a thing. It threatens the power structures that control our world. They will fight it tooth and nail. But I do think that it's important enough that people on the inside, maybe in the Pentagon, maybe in the military, maybe in, even in some black projects, do realize that this is a world that the, the stakes are the survival of the human species. And so they are trying to open some doors, let the truth out. But the problem is that what we're up against is the power structures that have controlled the world since the beginning of civilization, right? They don't want that to change, Right. They like giving you the illusion of choice. You think you can. You're, you know, it's George Carlin, you know, you think you're voting for one. Y' all like the puppet on the left, the puppet on the right. I like, wait, there's some guy, he's holding both puppets. That's the power structure, right? They're holding all the puppets. And this is a serious threat. So the only way out is doing what we're doing right now. And that's why I'm doing this. You know, one more voice, you know, in the, in the, in the, in the forest, in the desert. We just, we need all the voices that we can. We need to start taking it seriously, spreading the word, slowly indoctrinating people, getting them over whatever psychological, philosophical hump that they need to get over in order to try to sort, open up to reality. We've done this before as a society, as I mentioned, the Copernican revolution. This, this can happen, but it happens when, you know, it becomes self evident, right? Like scientists think you're crazy and that. And then. And they resist you. And then at some point, usually after you're dead, they accept what you've. What your argument was as self evident. You're like, we've always done that. That's where we need to get. And we can only do it with each other, okay? We can't wait for daddy to, to open our Christmas presents for us. We have to do it. It's the only way.
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Ryan Sprague
Yep. Tie your own shoes, kids. I love it. Tom, when can we expect a Human's Guide to Advanced Visiting Aliens? And where can we find what you're up to?
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Tom Jane
I'm editing that book now, so I'm hoping to have that out by the end of the year. I've got a day job, so I've been. I'm consistently working on this thing and I've almost got it finished. So you will see it. And check out my new season of Tropo on Amazon, which drops, I think July 5th or somewhere in that. In that area after the 4th of July New season at Dropo on Amazon.
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Ryan Sprague
Awesome, man.
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Tom Jane
Which I'm proud of. Very proud of.
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Ryan Sprague
As you should be. I'm gonna go check it out. Well, hey, man, we are so happy to have you in the UFO research community. I know it's taken a long time, but 15 years is nothing to shake a stick at. You've clearly done your homework. I'm so happy I got to talk to you. I hope it's not the last time. And I want to thank you, man, for coming on Somewhere in the skies today.
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Tom Jane
Yeah, man. I get the book out, we get to do this again.
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Ryan Sprague
Please, please. I would love that. All right, Tom. Thank you.
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Tom Jane
Thank you. Thanks, everybody.
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See.
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