U.S. Government is Luring UFOs, Catholics Prepare for Disclosure, Bigfoot Corpse Found

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Somewhere in the Skies"

Hosted by: Ryan Sprague (SpectreVision Radio)
Episode: U.S. Government is Luring UFOs, Catholics Prepare for Disclosure, Bigfoot Corpse Found
Date: July 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This week’s "Somewhere in the Skies" is a rich, unpredictable live-stream blending recent news, personal paranormal tales, and expert discussion. Host Ryan Sprague, filming his ghost-hunting show in Nova Scotia, reunites with regular co-host Suzanne Landers after a month’s hiatus. The duo covers a spectrum: the loss of a legendary UFO witness, the alleged discovery of a Bigfoot corpse, the shocking news of the U.S. government actively luring UFOs, and the Catholic Church’s public grappling with extraterrestrial reality. Interactivity is high, with the chat buzzing, personal anecdotes abound, and notable news soundbites punctuate the pace. The tone is lively, sometimes irreverent, and deeply curious.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Remembering Lori Wickens & Shag Harbour UFO Crash

[03:00–09:32]

• Tribute: The show is dedicated to Lori Wickens, primary witness to the Shag Harbour UFO crash (1967), who passed away the day of recording.
• Personal Anecdotes: Ryan shares memories of visiting Shag Harbour with Lori and the importance of firsthand witness testimony:

  “He just said, ‘I don't know.’ And he stuck to that, to his dying day. One of the nicest guys I’ve ever met.” — Ryan [08:10]

• Dedication: Both Ryan’s upcoming documentary and book on Shag Harbour will honor Lori’s legacy.
• Reflection: Highlights the significance of keeping local UFO history alive and the integrity of reporting “just what you saw.”

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2. Ghost Hunting in Nova Scotia: The "Haunted Heart and Soul" Series

[11:39–16:21]

• Team Update: Ryan’s currently filming with Kim Moser, Amy Murphy, and new member Chelsea Laselle.
• Atmosphere: Nova Scotia’s rich (and often tragic) history is explored—connecting ghost stories to Acadian exile, French-English conflict.
• Hitchhiker Phenomena:
  • Ryan recounts bringing a spectral “hitchhiker” home from Nova Scotia, describing a ghostly “Michelin Man” apparition in Scotland.

    “I saw what looked like a Michelin Man, no face or anything, in the mirror.” — Ryan [17:09]

  • Suzanne shares her own wild poltergeist story, including a vase flung across the room.
• Methods for Cleansing: Discussion of prayers, sage, setting boundaries, and the wide array of beliefs surrounding “hitchhiker” spirits.

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3. The Roswell Daily Record: Death & Resurrection of an Iconic Paper

[22:00–33:30]

• Breaking News:
  • Roswell Daily Record, famed for its 1947 “flying saucer” headline, nearly closes due to financial woes.
  • Good News: The Santa Fe New Mexican and New Mexico News Group step in as new owners.
  • Commitment that the paper remains “100% New Mexican owned and locally staffed.”

    “We can't just let the paper go away.” — Pat Davis (new owner, as read by Suzanne) [29:21]

• Historical Clip: Ryan revisits his investigation at the Roswell Daily Record.
  • Notable moment: Former publisher Barbara Beck shares her father’s account of the military requesting four child-sized caskets after the crash.

    “No explanation given as to why there would be a need for four child-sized caskets at a military base...” — Barbara Beck [25:31]

• Reflection: The hosts lament the loss of local journalism but celebrate this rare “happy ending.”

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4. The “Bigfoot Corpse” Story: Discovery or Sideshow?

[33:35–44:42]

• Allegation: Charles “Snake” Stewart claims he found an 8-foot, decayed Bigfoot body in the Adirondacks (2024) and displayed it at the NY State Fair as "Dac".
• Snake’s Science:
  • Reports DNA from Cornell shows “58.5% Neanderthal/Denisovan, 41.5% human.”
  • Native American tribes apparently visually verified (“bark eater”).
  • Claims of “aggressive, nomadic” Bigfoot behavior, possible intra-species violence.
• Host Skepticism:

  “This guy isn’t doing himself any favors with that background and that bleached hair.” — Ryan [43:42]

  • Both hosts question “circus sideshow” vibes, lack of scientific peer review, and call for more transparency.
• Chat Reaction: Audience equally split—some demand real proof, others dismiss the story as another "Nazca Mummy" fiasco.

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5. Major Story: U.S. Government “Luring” UFOs

[46:46–66:10]

• Bombshell News:
  • CBS News and Disclosure Foundation’s Jordan Flowers reveal the military has successfully “lured” UAPs near sensitive southwestern U.S. military facilities (Dec 2025).
  • Official ops: Use of “proven technology and methods to lure...with a track record.”

    “It assumes...ODNI know that this is a real phenomenon, but they already have the technology and methods...to lure and attract these things.” — Jordan Flowers [50:18]

• Incident Breakdown:
  • Multiple orbs tracked, split, changed formation, outmaneuvered military helicopters and jets.
  • Swarms of brilliant orbs engaged with forces, displaying mind-boggling flight characteristics (in “T” and triangle formations) [58:49–63:47]
• Analysis:
  • Suzanne links the story back to civilian luring attempts (SkyWatcher/ProPixel) that possibly intersected with government work.
  • Historic context with references to other helicopter-UFO encounters (Coyne incident, Foo Fighters, etc.)
• Notable Quote:

  “The helicopter was no match for the orb’s flight performance…a massive swarm of lights, too many to count, streaked in every direction…” — Daniel Warren (narration) [59:00–63:47]

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6. The Catholic Church & Disclosure: "Not of This World" Doc

[66:40–75:07]

• Upcoming Documentary:
  • “Not of This World” explores Catholic clergy, theologians, and laypeople confronting the UAP reality.
  • Features: David Grusch, Robert Pinotti, and voices addressing the 1933 “Magenta crash” and Vatican’s rumored role in alleged UFO relic transfer.
  • Preview grapples with theological implications:

    “What if this renders Christianity false?” — documentary interviewee [69:31]

• Discussion:
  • Suzanne suggests the film’s timing—alongside U.S. document releases and Vatican’s recent engagement—is no coincidence.
  • Broader point: Religion and disclosure are inextricably linked for billions globally; open dialogue is crucial for navigating disclosure’s societal impacts.
• Personal note:
  • Ryan, a lapsed Catholic, welcomes this thoughtful approach.
  • Diana Pasulka’s forthcoming book and involvement highlighted.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Old-School UFO Investigation:

  “...You talk about a local fisherman in a small seaside town...That’s Lori Wickens...” — Ryan [08:00]

• On the Roswell “Small Coffins” Story:

  “They were asked to come with four small coffins...and told to leave them at the base.” — Barbara Beck [25:31]

• Skepticism on Bigfoot Story:

  “Big claims.” — Suzanne [44:40]

• On Military Luring UFOs:

  “This was described as incontrovertible proof that there's a real phenomenon here and a core reason why transparency efforts have accelerated…” — Jordan Flowers [50:18]

• On Theological Implications:

  “It didn't make sense to me as a devout Christian that God would have told us everything and just leave out 99% of reality.” — Documentary participant [69:13]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Start Time | End Time | |-------------------------------------------|-------------|-----------| | In Memoriam: Lori Wickens / Shag Harbour | 03:00 | 09:32 | | Ghost Hunting in Nova Scotia | 11:39 | 16:21 | | Roswell Daily Record News | 22:00 | 33:30 | | Bigfoot “Corpse” Segment | 33:35 | 44:42 | | Government Luring UFOs | 46:46 | 66:10 | | UAPs, Catholicism, and New Documentary | 66:40 | 75:07 |

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Episode Flow & Final Notes

• Throughout, chat engagement is high and listener questions are integrated.
• Ryan and Suzanne balance open curiosity with critical skepticism, especially on extraordinary claims (e.g., Bigfoot).
• The episode closes with teases of upcoming content (Paul Kimball interview, Australian UFOs with Violeta Bajia, and a new Substack article by Suzanne on the La Madera incident), as well as a peaceful drone video of new crop circles.
• The hosts’ camaraderie keeps the conversation lively, occasionally irreverent and always accessible.
• Closing mantra:

  “Keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching. Somewhere in the skies––or somewhere in the crop circles.” [88:04]

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For Further Follow-Up

• Next Week Preview: Interview with Paul Kimball (UFO documentaries), Australian UFO history presentation, explosive article on 1964 La Madera wreck.
• Resource Links: Podcast Substack, Anomicon sponsorship, Instagram for ghost hunting content.

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Perfect for listeners eager for up-to-date anomalous news, grounded debate, great stories—and a genuine, communal feel.

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Transcript

[Narrator]

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[Ryan Sprague]

Reports of flying saucers are nothing new. From the beginning of recorded time, men have been seen unexplainable things in the sky. And there's no reason to doubt they saw something. The question is, was what they saw really there? And what was it they really saw?

[Guest or Contributor]

There's nothing to hide.

[Ryan Sprague]

There's nothing to hide at all. Ufo's what are those all aboot? I'm a Canada baby and loving it as usual. What's up guys? It's been a month. It is literally been a month since we've done a live stream. Hello to all of our regulars in the chat. I even see some new people here. Awesome. Thank you so much for being here tonight. I have been in Nova Scotia. I'm filming my ghost hunting show over here, Haunted Heart and Soul, and it has been incredible. I'll bring Suzanne on in just a moment here and share some of how all that is going. But I want to thank you guys first and foremost for, you know, being here tonight. I know we haven't gone live in a very long time. I know a lot has happened in the UFO world and beyond that I have missed. So we're gonna catch up on a little bit of it tonight. We're gonna go beyond UFOs tonight. As you will see, we've got some other stuff to share as well. And you know, slowly but surely, I'll be making my way back home to the UK in just under a couple weeks now and we'll be back on our normal schedule before I start filming again. However, pretty interesting thing to share with you guys. My ghost hunting show will be filming in Scotland, where I live. So we're going to be filming half of the next season in Scotland, half in Nova Scotia, Old Scotia, New Scotia. Boom. So that's going to be super, super fun. Hopefully we'll be able to do the live streams then. But hi to Hides in Long Grass. Pat is here. Sinkar Guillaume, Kellen Pink. Hi guys. Hi. Hi. Hi. Can I get a coffee girl? Can I be the coffee girl? Course. Suzanne of course, we're gonna need a lot of it. Trust me. Trust me for sure. Hello to biologist. Thank you so much my. My friend. Great to be back. It is. It's great to be back. You guys know Suzanne and I like crave doing these every week and bringing you guys the latest news. And we were just so excited that we were able to do it tonight. I just happened to not be filming tonight, so, you know, with my free time as precious and little as it is, I said we have to do it. We have to do the live stream. So thank you. Thank you to all of you for your patience through all of that. We've been going five minutes. I've been blabbing long enough. You did see that in memory of at the top there of the show. That was for a gentleman named Lori Wickens. He was the primary witness to the Shag Harbor UFO crash of 1967. And unfortunately, he did pass away today. So this episode is dedicated to him. My upcoming documentary on the Shag Harbor UFO event will also be dedicated to Lori as well. I had the incredible opportunity to go back to the crash site with Lori. You can see me there talking to him. You could see me, him and Paul Kimball at the Shag Harbor UFO Expo. And yeah, Laurie was the primary witness. The only reason we really know about the Shag Harbor UFO crash, probably one of the most well documented and most credible UFO cases in history that not enough people talk about. So that is why I'm making a documentary about it. That is why Lori and all the incredible people at the Shag Harbor UFO Historical Society and the Shag Harbor UFO Expo keep this story alive. And we will continue to do that. We may have lost one of the best people involved with the case, but we will move forward knowing that we, we have this case because of him. And Lori was a no bones kind of guy. He never pretended to know or theorize about what the Shag Harbor UFO crash was. He said, I saw it, thought it was a plane crash, reported it to the police, and I reported what I saw. And he saw a craft go into the water, strange yellow mist around this thing, and it submerged into the water and disappeared. He never pretended to say it was aliens, Interdimensional time travelers, top secret military. He just said, I don't know. And he stuck till that. To that, to his dying day. But one of the nicest guys I've ever met. I mean, you talk about like a local fisherman in a small seaside town of Lake Shag Harbor. The that's Lori Wickens. And I wouldn't trade that for anything. Me and Paul had some amazing times with him and conversations and. And, yeah, every time I'd go to Shag harbor and met up with Lori, he would tell me and he would ask me and Paul, hey, what's, what's, what's. What's the news? What do we know? What do we know? What's been learned about Shag Harbor? And we're like, we don't know, Lori. You tell us. So, yeah, yeah, he will be sorely, sorely missed for sure. So great memories. I will carry them on in my documentary, in my upcoming book as well. We'll be talking about Lori and Shag harbor and. And all of that. So that's gonna do it for that. This is in memory of Lori Wickens tonight. What else do I have for you guys? Super Chat and Super Stickers are open if you'd like to help out the show tonight. We have a goal of five of those. We would greatly appreciate any support you're willing to give us. All of your donations, Super Chats, super stickers, Patreon, Patreon subscriptions, Apple Premium subscriptions. All of that goes back into making the show bigger, better. There are so many unforeseen costs that go with what Suzanne and I do, so your help truly does make a difference. So thank you in advance for anyone willing to donate. Thank you to the biologist as well. Already we got one goal of five tonight. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Patreon.com Somewhere Skies if you want rewards in return for your support, you can learn more about all of that in the show links below. And last thing before I bring Suzanne in, we have our rating and reviews. You guys know what that means. Please go on over to Apple Podcasts or Spotify and rate and review Somewhere in the Skies. If you leave the following code word in your Apple podcast review or your Spotify comments, we will know that you watched and or listened to this and we will shout you out on the next live stream. And your code word for tonight is Roswell. That will make sense in just a few moments here. So be sure to put Roswell in your Apple Podcast review or your Spotify comments. We will read all of those and shout you guys out in the very near future. And your ratings and reviews go a very long way of helping us as well. If you can't help us monetarily simply like this video, subscribe on YouTube, rate and review. That's all we could ever ask of that from you. So thank you so much, guys. Okay, without further ado, we are bringing her in. It is the one, the only, Suzanne Landers. Welcome back. We're back.

[Suzanne Landers]

Hi, stranger. I vaguely remember you. You're looking slightly familiar.

[Ryan Sprague]

A little bit. Okay. I'm wearing.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, yeah. He is working his tail end off, you guys. Literally. If you could see the times of the exchan between us on various news pieces. He's up when he shouldn't be up. He's down when he needs to sleep. It's a mess.

[Ryan Sprague]

There have been times I've gotten back from a paranormal investigation at 2 in the morning and we're still messaging. It's.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ryan Sprague]

But you know what? You know what makes up for it?

[Suzanne Landers]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

Good old Canadian coffee. You got your.

[Suzanne Landers]

I'm right here with you. Did you go to Tim? Tim Horton, is it? Tim Horton is the Canadian thing.

[Ryan Sprague]

That's my favorite one. It's kind of like their version of Dunkin Donuts, but this one's called Second Cup. Really good place. Local place here. Second Cup. They're a chain, but they're really good. But it's keeping me going. Trust me, it's keeping me going for sure.

[Suzanne Landers]

Thanks to Lucy Kaplan. Oops, sorry. Oh, we both kept clicking, everybody. Sorry.

[Ryan Sprague]

Click Roulette. Loved your interview with Chris Bartel. Thank you, Lucy. Oh, my gosh, Suzanne. So that classic episode I put out with Chris Bartel last week, he is a gentleman who worked at both Skinwalker ranch and Area 51. I had no idea, like, it would get that big of a response. I mean, it's a pretty big claim to make that you worked at these highly secretive places.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

Right.

[Suzanne Landers]

You don't hear that often.

[Ryan Sprague]

Right. But he did. I vetted everything. This guy is as up and up as they come. And good Lord. That episode went viral. So good. I'm. I'm very pleased and happy that people enjoyed it. And I'm glad you enjoyed it too, Lucy. If you guys haven't listened or watched, it's one episode back. Give it a listen, give it a watch. For sure. For sure. How are you doing? How's everything in your neck of the woods?

[Suzanne Landers]

I'm doing great. We are slowly calming down over here in New Mexico from this big move now. Done. We've closed on the Memphis house. That's behind us. Things are sort of in order. Not quite, but almost, you know, close enough to calm down. So I have zero complaints.

[Ryan Sprague]

Good.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, Good.

[Ryan Sprague]

That is good to hear. You know, before we get to the news, the whole reason I'm here is for Ghost Hunting. And I told you, I promised you I'd share a little of what's been going on over here. Now you've. You've had the opportunity, I think, to meet at least two of the three women that are on my show. Yeah.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah. I got to meet the gals at Paul Kimball's home. When my husband and I were in Nova Scotia a year ago January, we spent the month there trying to figure out what Nova Scotia was about, and we were lucky enough to get to meet Paul and his lovely wife and a lot of the crew from your show. So I just think it's a really, really special group of people that you're with.

[Ryan Sprague]

I would have to agree. Special people in a very special place. I. I am currently in Paul Kimball's home that he and his wife have graciously offered, by the way.

[Suzanne Landers]

Beautiful. I feel like art, and the furnishings are beautiful.

[Ryan Sprague]

I literally have my own wing in this house. It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Suzanne Landers]

So nice.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah. They're so accommodating. When I come here and we have off time, I will come crash at their house and per, record podcast episodes with Paul, watch wrestling. Like, his wife puts up with a lot with us, for sure.

[Suzanne Landers]

That's excellent. She's long impatience, and she's lovely.

[Ryan Sprague]

She really is. She really is. And, yeah, the two women you're talking about are Kim Moser and Amy Murphy. They are two of the ghost hunters on my show. And then now we have a third one, and her name is Chelsea Laselle. And we've been going all across Nova Scotia for the past month and a half hunting ghosts.

[Suzanne Landers]

And if you guys aren't following Ryan either on Instagram or Facebook, you need to, because he's posting little short videos from these various locations. And some of them are incredibly beautiful. Some of them are quite spooky, I think. You know, would you agree? Look at them. You get that vibe, like, oh, I see why the ghost hunters are here. But, yeah, but they're worth watching. I've watched them all, I think.

[Ryan Sprague]

Oh, thank you. Yes. You know, I mean, you know, they're on brand. We're doing a ghost hunting show. They better darn well be spooky. And they are. This is one of the most haunted provinces in Canada, if not in North America, if not the world. I swear, everything's haunted. It's like Scotland. Like, it's crazy.

[Suzanne Landers]

Well, their history there is so deep, you know, I'm sure everyone knows, but the conflicts between the French and the English and various sections of that, and then all the Louisianans, the Arcadians, I think they were called, they were up there, but they got thrown out. They ended up leaving and. And of course, passing away along the way. Some of them, to get down to Louisiana. Anyway, they have a. They have a big history. So it doesn't surprise me that this is a really haunted location.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah, you're right. The rich history here is just ripe for ghost hunting. And that's the other big thing, is it's not just about, like, investigating the paranormal. I'm the one who interviews everyone in the show. So I interview the. The locals, the people whose house we're at, the people whose business we're at. And I am learning so much about the history of Nova Scotia, It's. That's almost just as rewarding to me. And it also crystallizes the spirits we might be communicating with.

[Suzanne Landers]

So I've often wondered if Paul ever contemplated a history show of some of these locations, because where you all go, it's not like you're running down to the local 7 11. You're in some wheelhouse of an old farm or, you know, it's amazing where you guys go. So just another idea for Mr. Kimball.

[Ryan Sprague]

Oh, yeah. Hey, trust me, he's an ideas man. He's got a million balls up in the air all at once. And I think he has done a couple history shows in the past. He is a historian. By. By.

[Suzanne Landers]

He is. Yes, Ryan, Tanya has a question for you from your investigations. Follow you home. Like a hitchhiker effect.

[Ryan Sprague]

Tanya. First of all, Tanya is one of our biggest supporters. Patreon Apple. Excuse me, YouTube member as well. So thank you, Tanya, you for the incredible question and your support. Yes, I have. I spoke about this during one of the breaks during the Disclosure foundation event a couple weeks past, and I have had a hitchhiker. I believe I've had a hitchhiker follow me home from Nova Scotia. It followed me to Scotland. So quick story, I'll. And I promise, guys, we'll get to the news. Seventeen minutes in, people are probably like, what the heck?

[Suzanne Landers]

What are they talking about now?

[Ryan Sprague]

This is not what I tuned in for. We'll get used to it, guys, because we're gonna talk Bigfoot in a little bit. But yes. So I brought something home with me to Scotland. And the first time, or the first night I got home to Scotland, I stayed in a hotel because my hot water was not working at my apartment in Scotland. And when I was in the hotel, it was like 2, 3 in the morning. I happened to get up to use the restroom. And I saw a apparition that looked like a giant Michelin Man. If anyone's familiar with the Michelin Man, a mascot in the United States. It's like a tire company. Just type in Michelin Man. You'll see it. It's like this almost layered. Tire man.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

All white, big smile. And I swear to God, Suzanne, I saw what looked like a Michelin man, no face or anything in the mirror. So I'm like, what the heck? So I thought it was just like a weird. Yeah, I thought it was a reflection or something. So I. I. Or a smudge in the mirror. I don't know. So I turned around where I thought the reflection would be, and it's there. It was literally there in front of me.

[Suzanne Landers]

No denying it. Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

No denying it was not just some weird light apparition in the mirror, nor a smudge. That thing was in there, and it was casting a reflection in the mirror.

[Suzanne Landers]

Wow. You know, I had a hitchhiker, the trip to Scotland, where I actually got to meet you several years ago. I brought something home from Scotland to the Memphis.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

Really?

[Suzanne Landers]

Yes. And it ended up throwing a vase at me from across the room. And my mother and sister were in the room at the time talking to me when it hit me, when it came flying across the room. So I don't know what that business is. I wish we understood better, but it's a thing.

[Barbara Beck]

Wow.

[Ryan Sprague]

I don't think I knew that. That's poltergeist activity.

[Suzanne Landers]

Absolutely.

[Narrator]

Whoa.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

We've had that happen on our investigations, I think two seasons ago on another show I did, which was just called Haunted, we actually had. We were in an old library, and we were all kind of. Of course, this wasn't caught on camera, naturally, of course. But we were on break. We're all talking, having a coffee, and a stack of books flew off of one of the shelves and almost hit one of our investigators. And, you know, like, we went into investigator mode. We're like, did they fall off? Did someone push them behind? First of all, no one was behind the books. We, all of us were in front of this aisle. We made sure they didn't just slip off. There was no, like, angle that would have slipped the books off. There were no gusts of wind. It was. All the windows were closed and all that. And these things didn't just fall off.

[Suzanne Landers]

They were.

[Ryan Sprague]

It was like someone catapulted them.

[Suzanne Landers]

Well, in a stack of books is not something that's going to be blown by wind. That's a heavy Thing like this vase in my kitchen. It was big and heavy.

[Ryan Sprague]

I can imagine. Did it break?

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

Did the vase, like, shatter?

[Suzanne Landers]

Oh, all over the place.

[Ryan Sprague]

Okay.

[Suzanne Landers]

All over the place. Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

They better pay for that. That's all I'm saying.

[Suzanne Landers]

I gave a stern warning, like, enough of this. You know, Some small things have been happening, and then this was, like, the big thing. And when this happens, like, cut it out. Go home, or I'll bring somebody in here who will make you go home.

[Ryan Sprague]

That was very smart. Very smart. I. Because I was told, how do you get rid of these hitchhikers? How do you get rid of something that might have followed you or.

[Suzanne Landers]

What are you supposed to do?

[Ryan Sprague]

There's so many different rituals. A lot of people do, like, Reiki. A lot of people do prayer. A lot of people do, like. What's that stuff called that you kind of light on fire and. But around a room. Sage. People do sage bathing.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

I. I, for one, I pray. I am. Which will bleed into one of our stories later on. But I do pray, and that seems to work for me. Or telling it. Don't follow me out of here and don't come with me. You're done. You're done.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

So it is what it is. It's kind of like telling a animal to.

[Narrator]

Stop it.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Stop.

[Suzanne Landers]

Stop it. Cut it out. We've had enough.

[Ryan Sprague]

Oh, Brittany is here. Hey. First time I happened upon one of your live streams. Been listening for years. Thank you. Thank you so much. We're glad you could finally be here for a live stream. It's a rare occurrence these days, so.

[Suzanne Landers]

It is. We're gonna get back on schedule, though.

[Ryan Sprague]

We will. We absolutely will. For sure. David Unger is here. I just did Zach Baggins Haunted Museum in Vegas last night. Creepy place, but very cool. Yes. Be careful. Say hello and goodbye to Peggy.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yep.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Wow.

[Suzanne Landers]

And I think that's the equivalent of what you just said, like, you may not follow. You may not follow, you know?

[Ryan Sprague]

Yep. Absolutely. I. I wanted to. I want to visit that Zach Baggins museum. I heard it's super creepy. I try to tend. I'm trying to stay away from the negative energies and spirits and demons and stuff, but, you know, they. They pop up. We're on a very. Kind of. Our show is called Heart and Soul. And it's more love and light and positivity and spirits. But, like, we can't deny. We can't just ignore if something negative shows up, you know? So we just try to make the best of it. But, David, you are a braver man than I, my friend.

[Jordan Flowers]

For sure.

[Ryan Sprague]

And thank you. Thank you so much for the super chat, man. It's good to see you. For sure. Wow. We've got three super chats. Thanks, guys. Two more.

[Suzanne Landers]

They're doing great. Thank you.

[Ryan Sprague]

We love you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we have chatted long enough. I apologize, guys. This is what happens.

[Suzanne Landers]

Ryan and I don't talk to each other very often for a month.

[Ryan Sprague]

It's been so long. I know, I know. And I want to say off the bat, we already have an update on this story from you personally, Suzanne, but I am going to run through it because this was announced this week. So let me go ahead and read from this. The Roswell Daily Record, the newspaper in Roswell, New Mexico that is responsible for the probably one of the biggest headlines in history, not just UFO history. They were the ones to break the story about the Roswell UFO crash. RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. I mean, that headline is everywhere. Every documentary, every movie, every. It's framed. I have it framed in my apartment. It's just been such a part of our, our upbringing and our history. Iconic is the perfect word. Yes. So after nearly 125 years of serving southeastern New Mexico, the Roswell Daily Record reportedly has announced it is ceasing operations. Citing financial difficulties. The owners say they are beginning an orderly liquidation while pursuing a potential sale or other solution. Hint, hint. That could keep the newspaper alive under new ownership. Known worldwide in the UFO community for dark decades of coverage of the 1947 Roswell UFO crash, the paper became synonymous with the legacy of Roswell. And they also have reported annually on the UFO festivals that are related to this in Roswell as well. And if the closure becomes permanent, it will mark the loss of another historic local newspaper and underscore the continuing decline of community journalism. Before we get to your update, Suzanne, I do want to highlight a special kind of connection I have with the Roswell Daily Record. I actually got to go there and get a tour during my investigation of the Roswell case. So I was wondering if you would, you guys wouldn't mind if I showed a clip from that?

[Suzanne Landers]

Go for it. Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

Cool. So this is me and my investigative partner, Jennifer Marshall, former Navy veteran, and we did a television show on the CW called Roswell Mysteries Decoded. And we got to go to the Roswell Daily Record and we actually got to talk to. I want to get her name right. Barbara Beck, who was the head of the newspaper at the time, and her family for generations had A history of working at the Roswell Daily Record. So I'm gonna go ahead and play that clip.

[Suzanne Landers]

All right.

[Ryan Sprague]

If I can find it. And then, yeah, we'll get your exciting update on the other side. I hope it's exciting. I hope it's all right. Guys, give this a watch.

[Barbara Beck]

My dad and brother both ran the paper before me, so it's in my blood I grabbed, you know, coming here

[Ryan Sprague]

and do you have any personal things that are connected to Roswell or the UFO phenomenon that you've personally been privy to?

[Barbara Beck]

My dad was in the military. He was a no nonsense business kind of guy and he told me that he knew the Ballards who had the funeral home that night. They were asked to come with four small coffins.

[Ryan Sprague]

Small coffins, like child sliced coffins.

[Barbara Beck]

And my dad also confirmed that they were told to leave them at the base, to not go into the base.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

And there was no explanation given as to why there would be a need for four child sized caskets at a military base.

[Barbara Beck]

You know, my dad said it was really odd and he wondered about it too at the time. But the COVID up seems to be very effective.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

Right.

[Barbara Beck]

Can you imagine being in 1947 and in the military you didn't question things, you kind of did what you were told. You weren't encouraged to question or use critical thinking skills.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

It's really eye opening to me. Barbara's story about the caskets, I thought she was credible, but so far this is all second or third hand information.

[Ryan Sprague]

RAAF captures flying Saucer on Ranch in Roswell region what I find really interesting here is they're talking to the Wilmots who actually had UFO sightings a week prior. The Wilmots ranchers in the area said they saw a UFO traveling at an estimated 400 to 500 miles per hour.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

So this is from an article that says Harassed Rancher who located saucer. Sorry, he talked about it. Brazel said that he had previously found two weather observation balloons on the ranch but that what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these. And I think that's really telling because he's in the middle of nowhere. They send two of these up a day. Clearly he's used to seeing the what they are.

[Ryan Sprague]

It's same with Major Jesse.

[Jordan Flowers]

Marcel.

[Ryan Sprague]

Both of these individuals know what a weather balloon looks like. Marcel, in these press photos, have you seen them? Here's Marcel with the weather balloon.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

Even look at his face though. Even look at his face. Yeah, his face is like, are you kidding me?

[Ryan Sprague]

Like you're Making me do this.

[Narrator]

Really.

[Ryan Sprague]

Here's General Ramey. This is really interesting, this paper in his hand. With your experience, what would. What would a general be holding right there in reference to all this?

[Interviewer or Analyst]

I mean, if they're talking about a downed weather balloon, clearly he's well experienced in weather balloons and weather balloons going down.

[Ryan Sprague]

I don't look at this one. So we were able to zoom in. Yeah. Can you decipher any of that? It could be like a very big piece of evidence in this entire thing.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

You know, if we could get a higher resolution photograph. I know some really great photo analysts. There's no reason that they shouldn't be able to decipher at least some of what's on this photo. Maybe not everything.

[Narrator]

Absolutely.

[Ryan Sprague]

H. I was so young in there. Oh, you're muted.

[Suzanne Landers]

You were a child.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah, I was a child then. Young and naive.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

So we did get that. That thing deciphered apparently, and there were words on there that said bodies or that. I believe it was saucer or disc.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Disc.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah, that was very important. We had Ben. What was his name? Ben Hansen. Good Lord. I for I. That's how long ago this was. Ben Hansen, former FBI agent and bunch of television shows he's hosted. He helped us decipher that by using like the state of the art technology to deblur it and try to figure it out.

[Suzanne Landers]

So.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy stuff. But yeah, that was all shot in the Roswell Daily Record, which. So cool. Yeah, we learned. Might be shuddering, but apparently you have some news. Do you want to hit us with that about what happening?

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, I have some wonderful news. First of all, guys, the. The Roswell Daily Record is a locally owned paper. They have never sold out to big, big news media. Same thing is true about the Santa Fe New Mexican. And so as we were hiking this morning, I had zero cell service except for one notification that made it through on this hike. And it was this one about this newspaper. And I'm just going to read it, if that's okay.

[Ryan Sprague]

Right, Absolutely.

[Suzanne Landers]

A southern New Mexico newspaper that appeared destined to join a long list of those in the state that have ceased operation in recent years has been resurrected. The Roswell Daily Records owners announced Wednesday that they have reached an agreement to sell the paper to the owner and publisher, Santa Fe New Mexican, in a message, because I know. In a message posted Wednesday on the website of the Daily Record, Barbara Beck, who owns and publishes the paper, announced that the paper is being sold to the New Mexico News Group and Control plus P Printing, headed by former Albuquerque City Councilor Pat Davis, whose group owns and publishes the Santa Fe Reporter and several other independent news outlets in the Albuquerque area. The notice states that the two the new ownership group will begin publishing the Daily Record in August. But a statement from Davis said that his group has, quote, provided some help to ensure payroll and the presses keep running in the meantime. Close quote. Davis said the deal will also ensure the paper remains 100% New Mexican owned and locally staffed. Yes, after this week's announcement that the paper would close, we looked for a way to write a new chapter for the paper that was not an obituary, said Mr. Davis. He described the Daily Record as an iconic New Mexican newspaper that is worth savings and saving. And he says we can't just let the paper go away, he said, noting the important role that it has played in New Mexican history, including its coverage of the 1947 UFO incident that has brought Roswell International fame.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Ryan Sprague]

That is awesome. Yeah, I love hearing that, like other papers are willing to come in and like all, you know, they, let's be honest, print journalism and journalism has taken a huge hit in the past couple decades and it will only unfortunately get worse. I mean, I have a father who for half of his life worked at a paper company. He was literally Jim from the office. The television. Yeah, pretty much. Instead of Dunder Mifflin, he worked at a place called Allen and Corey. But it was the same thing. They sold paper. And then as time went on and digital became more of a thing, these paper companies were shuttering one by one. And luckily my dad got out of it before that happened and he moved into the printing business, which, you know, was okay. Maybe saved him a few more years,

[Suzanne Landers]

but a little bit. Yeah.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

Even prints going away. I mean, everything's digital now. So our local newspaper in Syracuse, New York, the Herald Journal and the Post Standard both closed down. There's nothing now. You could just go to like syracuse.com to get your news instead of newspapers and there's barely any local news anymore.

[Suzanne Landers]

And then when they sell out to those big ones, you literally lose your local news. They just don't care. They don't care what's going on in little burbs or in your local community.

[Interviewer]

Nope.

[Ryan Sprague]

So I think this is a really good thing.

[Narrator]

It's awesome.

[Ryan Sprague]

Thank you so much for sharing that. I, I had no idea we even had. I want to highlight this. Alex in the chat says as a former small town journalist, that is inspiring. They play such an important role. Agreed.

[Suzanne Landers]

Very.

[Ryan Sprague]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, even when I was there they went out of their way to find me articles on, like, old microfiche that weren't even Roswell Daily Record. They're like, you should know that there were other articles written about the UFO crash before the Roswell Daily Record Record. And there were.

[Suzanne Landers]

And there were. Oh, that'd be an interesting article.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah. Because it wasn't like the filtered version that would come out the next day of. It was not. It was a weather balloon, but it even came out before the famous saucer article at the Roswell Daily Record. So it was the most raw and most accurate, I would say, kind of article. I'll have to find it, because I don't find it. I don't want to be talking out of my ring already here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Suzanne Landers]

That'd be great. I'd love to read that. Yeah. So good news in New Mexico.

[Ryan Sprague]

Love it. We need it. We need good news.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

This is a fun story, and I'm bringing it to you because you don't really know much about this.

[Suzanne Landers]

I don't know anything about this one, so I'm gonna listen intently.

[Ryan Sprague]

Okay, you ready, guys? We're moving to Bigfoot territory. The headline here is, has Bigfoot Corps been Found? So Charles Stewart, AKA Snake, the Bigfoot hunter, claims he found Bigfoot in the adirondack Mountains in 2024. So that's in my neck of the woods where I'm.

[Suzanne Landers]

Wow.

[Ryan Sprague]

He has nicknamed it dac, which is short for Adirondack, and even displayed it at the New York State Fair last year. That's where my. I worked, Suzanne, as a kid for, like, like, gosh, 15 years. Really?

[Suzanne Landers]

What'd you do?

[Ryan Sprague]

I was a, like, I was a counter person at a, like, fried food place. I moved up to, like, the head cook there, and I ran the steak pit. We would do, like, real steak sandwiches and stuff like that. And no joke. No joke. This is crazy. I got my dad involved one year because they were like, we need some adults to do the steak pit. We can't have kids running, like, this grill thing. And my dad was like, this could be fun. Maybe I'll try it for a summer, A couple weeks. Why not? People loved my dad so much because the steak pit was up front, and he just talked to everyone, and he drew people in and got them a ton of business that they were like, so this guy needs to stick around. My dad would go on Suzanne to work another 15 or so years.

[Suzanne Landers]

How wonderful.

[Ryan Sprague]

This is the end. The happy ending to the story. He now owns it. He owns the Snake.

[Suzanne Landers]

Seriously?

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah. So talk about crazy. But all this to say this apparent Bigfoot corpse was shown at the New York State Fair. I don't know why my dad didn't tell me that, but because he was definitely there. But this is crazy. So it was shown at the New York State Fair. While skeptics doubt the this story, Charles Stewart, or Snake the Bigfoot hunter, says DNA testing proved the creature is real. He joined News Nation's Jesse Weber to explain what scientists allegedly discovered in the creature's DNA. So we got to hear from Snake.

[Suzanne Landers]

We gotta hear, we gotta hear. We need, we need the details.

[Ryan Sprague]

We need it, we need the, the hairy details. Here.

[Suzanne Landers]

Let's get it.

[Ryan Sprague]

Here is Snake the Bigfoot hunter on News Nation. Let's hear more about the Bigfoot corpse.

[Suzanne Landers]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

Snake claims he sent the specimen for DNA testing. That the results show the body has 58.5% Neanderthal DNA and 41.5% human DNA. Snake says that those tests from Cornell's veterinary DNA lab proved that this creature is a Neanderthal human hybrid. Now, the Adirondack Mountains have been known to be hot spots for Bigfoot or Sasquatch sightings. But there are a lot of skeptics out there questioning Snake's discovery. So we decided, let's go to the sorts. Charles Stewart, better known as Snake the Bigfoot hunter, joins me now. He's also the author of the Bigfoot Bible. Thank you so much for taking the time. First, how did you find these remains and what made you think initially this could be Bigfoot's?

[Ryan Sprague]

That's background.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Well, you know, I found it west of Old Forge Central, Adirondack Park. And the reason I found it was just being in the right area where I could smell it because this body was decaying. And I just followed my nose deeper and deeper and deeper until Bam, there's this 8 foot long, 300 pound specimen in front of me. And this thing was sitting in a poison ivy patch and just was absolutely disgusting. And based on what we figured out, this was dead probably about two days when we had, when I had found this specimen. Okay. And what was interesting is next to this body were some larger footprints. And after speaking to a couple other experts, we determined that one of the causes of this specimen's death was probably from getting bludgeoned to death by a larger Bigfoot. So.

[Interviewer]

So two. So two.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And this could have been over territory or mating. We believe it was probably due to mating because this is a male specimen we have and this is around 18 to 20 year range. And we figured that out by the dental decay.

[Interviewer]

Well, that's what I was going to ask you. This DNA test testing, what exactly was the testing and what was it done on the hair, teeth, soft tissue? What were what exactly?

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Yeah, we had blood, hair and fecal matter and we just submitted it all and got that done through a friend of mine who worked at the Cornell veterinarian Biodna lab. And the results came back, as you mentioned, 58.5% Neanderthal Denisovan and that I had to do a little bit of research myself to figure out exactly what was going on. But Denisovan is a Asian kind of Neanderthal. It's mixed with 41.5% human and some of that's indigenous. So at some point they did cross over the Bering land strait and have been in the Americas. So what we have there is, you know, a, a very dangerous aggressive. We know they attack each other and they could definitely attack and hurt her. Humans prepare.

[Interviewer]

Do you know how, do you know how long it's been dead for?

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

It was dead about two days when I found.

[Interviewer]

Two days. So wait a second, let me, let me. So you think it was attacked by another Bigfoot two days prior? In other words, there's a living, another living Bigfoot in that area?

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Yeah, and I mean these are, we call them Bigfoot, but you know, these are like Neanderthal human hybrid. And there's another one that attacked this one. And you know, the one of the interesting things we found on our specimen which we showed to 60,000 people was this reproductive bone. And that's an anomaly that the Bigfoot has that is also in polar bears. And these are adaptations that allow it to procreate in an aggressive way. And that leads us to think that they don't actually form family units. They're very nomadic. If they do engage, it's for that aggressive procreation and then they go their separate ways.

[Interviewer]

So did you, did you send this to a forensic anthropologist or did a forensic anthropologist look at these remains?

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

So right now we've had the, the DNA test done. I've been trying to get more people to actually be in person with the body. I did get a documentary team came and peer reviewed the DNA. And this is a documentary team from Japan and they filmed the whole, a little movie on this and they have released it there and I have snippets of it on our website. And then what was really great is at the, at the showing of this the first time there was the Six nation Indian tribes of New York. The Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, Tuscarora and Seneca tribes. They came by and looked at the body and they went, they left and came back and gave me an award. They had came in immediately, identified it as a Bigfoot, as a. A bark eater, which another name for Adirondack up there. So it's been like multiple verifications across different paths, and we're trying to get as much people to see this thing as possible.

[Interviewer]

Have you got any other mainstream verifications, any recommendations, recognition for more of the major bodies or experts?

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

We're looking to get some additional people involved with the body. It's been an uphill battle.

[Interviewer]

And why they don't believe it?

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Well, you know, Bigfoot has been considered kind of taboo and stuff. It's. The thing is this is a global phenomenon. This Bigfoot have been experienced or encountered globally. Okay. But it's still, as you know, with what happened with UFOs, that was considered fringe until it's not. So you literally. We are literally punching our way through wall after wall getting this information out there. And you know, the main thing I'm trying to tell people is you got to be careful when you're going out there into the wilderness.

[Interviewer]

Well, or, you know, grab a camera, because, my gosh, I mean, look, it wouldn't be surprising me if there's now a Sasquatch committee on Congress. I mean, look, UAPs, UFOs, extraterrestrials. Snake, you might be ahead of something here. I appreciate you coming on and sharing with our audience.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

All right,

[Ryan Sprague]

well, the chat is popping off.

[Suzanne Landers]

That is pop. And they don't know what to think. We don't either, guys, by the way. We don't either.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah, yeah. It was so cool to hear him talk about the New York Native American nations. Now he mentioned Anadaga. That's actually the county that I lived in my entire life. My. My adolescent life, I should say, in Syracuse. So that was pretty cool. It's cool that this kind of has kind of a more personal connection to me hyper locally. But I don't know what to think. Like the fact that like, this body was shown at a New York State fair. When you start hearing that these things are traveling to fairs, it just brings back the whole, you know, Barnum and Bailey circus thing for me. The headless woman, the monkey man, the bearded lady, the six headed, whatever.

[Suzanne Landers]

So we've been through so much with the Nazca mummies that, yeah, you know, your brain immediately puts up a stop Sign.

[Ryan Sprague]

Right, right, exactly. Whether it's the Nazca mummies, the Roswell slides that. But, you know, I, I appreciate that, like, DNA tests were done. He mentioned Cornell University where that happened. I'm very familiar with that university. That is also a, It's a very big place for animals to have tests done. Whenever something unfortunately might happen to my family, dogs back home, we have to travel up to Cornell University to have operations or surgeries or testing for things. So, like, it's no surprise to me that that's where they would do a DNA test like that. But, but someone in the chat said they actually worked there. I wanna, Yeah, I, I used to work there. I need proof. Jamie, if you hear anything, please let us know. If these tests actually took place at Cornell, start reaching out to your contacts. I'd love to know. I'd love to know. Would be amazing if true. Some people are like, we don't. This is so dumb. Sigh. Bigfoot kidnapped me. Alex said, oh, I'm sorry if that actually happened to you. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. What do you make of this? This, this guy isn't doing himself any favors with that background and that, that bleached hair.

[Suzanne Landers]

That's what I was gonna say. I'm with Alex on this one. If you're gonna get on screen and talk about Bigfoot, you probably shouldn't wear a blonde wig and stand in front of a leopard skin print wearing a couch. What was the show we all watched during the early part of COVID with Joe? Wow.

[Ryan Sprague]

Oh, yeah. The Tiger.

[Suzanne Landers]

Tiger King. Yeah, the Tiger King. He's given Tiger King vibes. And that's not awful. I'm with that 100.

[Ryan Sprague]

What I thought when I first saw him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was another interview I saw where he had like big visor glasses on, and I'm just like, this guy is not. This can't be serious. But hey, look, maybe get more tests done. He said, I'm open to more tests. Like, I, I, this is how we found it. But like, people brought up in the chat. Show us the video. Show us the footage of you finding the body. How do you know it's two days dead? How do you know it was attacked by another Bigfoot? Like, right. Yeah. A lot of questions remain.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah. Big claims.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yep, yep. But there you go, guys. There's our Bigfoot story for.

[Suzanne Landers]

There we go.

[Ryan Sprague]

I thought it'd be interesting, but let's move to our first major UFO story of the week. Hello, this is Ryan Sprague, the host

[Narrator]

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[Interviewer]

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[Ryan Sprague]

You brought this one to my attention because like I said, I've been in big. Yeah, this is huge. I've been in ghost territory for the past month and a half. I haven't been keeping up with the news. So this story claims of UFOs being Lord or baited have been reignited. This is not the first time we've heard these theories, but now it's really making headway and we have actual cases that we can turn to.

[Suzanne Landers]

Is this and out of the military, you know. Yeah. It's not just, you know, somebody in their backyard. This is out and this is from the military.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah. Right. So Jordan Flowers of the Disclosure foundation. He went on News not News Nation. CBS News actually.

[Suzanne Landers]

Right.

[Ryan Sprague]

Just after the fourth trench had released from the Pursue Initiative. You know the Department of War.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yes.

[Ryan Sprague]

Thing we were not able to cover that unfortunately in depth because I was too busy. And we do also I want to make it clear we we do want to re reschedule it with Lester Nairobi of the Disclosure Foundation. I feel horrible that we had to postpone that. I would love to still have him on the show. And we'll, we will find.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah. And I think probably it's really nice to give it, to give it a minute because you know, in that moment it's really intense in terms of processing the data being presented at the podium. So I think a little time might end up being a good thing always.

[Ryan Sprague]

That goes for disclosure overall, which you know, is kind of the big topic here of why isn't disclosure coming quicker? Because it's a process and it's difficult.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yes. And this feels like an important piece in that process to me.

[Ryan Sprague]

I think you're right. I think you're right. So Jordan Flowers of the Disclosure foundation was recently interviewed on CBS News about the fourth trench and he highlighted a very interesting case. So I am going to play this clip from CBS News. Then we have a follow up clip from our good friend Dan Warren of 5th Edition, Pillar of Emphasis, who always kind of personifies these for us and puts these cases into a nice little tight cinematic package for us on TikTok and stuff. But should we hear from Jordan Flowers first?

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ryan Sprague]

Sounds good. Let me pull that up. Here we go.

[Suzanne Landers]

Are these latest files different from what we've seen in the past?

[Jordan Flowers]

That is such a great question. I think the space borne objects is so important. The pictures that I mentioned before, the three pictures of the triangular object in low Earth orbit from the space station, that is important because it shows that there's things in space that we cannot readily explain. This is another reason why our organization, the Disclosure foundation, has been working with. We've established an independent team to review UAP related materials in the NASA archives to try and facilitate the disclosure of more of this, of more of these photos and interesting images from space. So I think really that is a key differentiator in this specific release.

[Suzanne Landers]

So what has been your overall opinion of the release of these files? Do any of them prove or disprove theories about UFOs? You must have been so excited to get your hands on any new information.

[Jordan Flowers]

What I think is really interesting is when you combine the, the info releases. So there's been four releases of information over the past several weeks. Right. And when we combine that information and synthesize that with some of the comments that members of Congress are making about classified briefings that they are receiving, we end up reaching some astounding conclusions just based off of information that's publicly available. So for instance, the December 2025 incursion in the southwestern United States over a sensitive military facility the ODNI was conducting, The Office of the Director of National Intelligence was conducting a UAP luring operation. That operation was wildly successful. That operation has FLIR video photographs of orbs that they encountered as part of that operation. That resulted in an FBI 302 interview as well as a personal statement from senior intelligence officials at the odni. And that precipitated a classified briefing to members of Congress. Like members Scalise and Burleson and Burchett, this event was described as incontrovertible proof that there's a real phenomenon here and a core reason why transparency efforts have accelerated over the past few months. What's really interesting about that, when you synthesize that with, you know, Congressman Burleson's comments made in public and with the information provided, it was an operation that it assumes that not only that Arrow, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office and the ODNI know that this is a real phenomena, but they already have the technology and methods with a proven track record to lure and attract these things. So, you know, suffice it to say, we need to synthesize what members of Congress are saying in addition to the data releases here. And when you do that, you are able to reach some astounding conclusions with publicly available information.

[Ryan Sprague]

Wow.

[Suzanne Landers]

How about that? And just bring our listeners back up to speed. Remember we started this luring talk a couple of years ago with Sky Watcher and Propixel on Twitter and they were very vocal and they were out a whole lot on Twitter with all kinds of video and data, including the kinetics we would normally see like at the bottom of the military screens when they're filming or taking in data. But then they went dead silent, dead silent. And there was chitter chatter, which I have not been able to confirm. Maybe someone else has that they are. We're now working with our government in order to refine their dog whistle and their lure. One was meditative and one was machine driven somehow. But of course they wouldn't release how it worked because they didn't want all of us in our backyards luring uap. So now all this time has gone by where Propixel and Sky Watcher have been silent and now we have this. So it makes me think maybe they were actually working with our government and that this came out. Now I'll tell you what I wonder about on this story is do because the way this story came out, which I thought Jordan Flowers did a great job with, he pulled the pieces together to get to the conclusion which was confirmable that we were luring successfully and somewhere in the Southwest desert, Of course. I wish I knew where that was. There's so much UFO activity out here, like in the New Mexico and Arizona area. Who knows where this actually happened, except that it was over one of our sensitive sites. I don't know if that's Los Alamos. Is it Kirkland Air Force Base? What is it? But anyway, it is now the pieces are together, and this is confirmed that we have learned how to lure and monitor. Now, what else is going on?

[Ryan Sprague]

Right.

[Suzanne Landers]

If this piece came out and did this piece come out in a way where they thought nobody would put the pieces together, or was it intentional? Wouldn't you love to know that? Oh, my gosh, you guys, we have lost Ryan. He's having Internet issues. But I'll tell you a little bit more about the event itself, which is that this happened with a military helicopter, and it spotted sightings of some orange orbs off in the distance over this sensitive location, which we knew where, but it was not on a mission for these orbs. It turned into this. I think so. I also know that Eric Burleson has publicly said that he got. He and others got a classified briefing on this whole incident and that it had been set up to create what he calls. I'm going to read it to you. A successful effort to create ideal encounter conditions. So they're working the problem in a way that nobody else can. And we'll see what comes, you know, from this again, if anything. But obviously the pieces of the puzzle are together. So I think we all need to let that sink in. That. And it is a sort of a backdoor acknowledgment of maybe the existence of these things and that we don't have control over them, but we can lure them and we can take data from the experience. So that would be really interesting if we could get more from that maybe in the fifth tranche that comes out. Hopefully it won't be too long. Maybe we'll get a little bit more in. This incident, by the way, happened in December of 2025. So not very long ago. You know, just a blink of an eye ago, this all happened. So I'm so anxious to know if anybody in the chat knows anything about what Sky Watcher and Propixel have or are doing, or if you have pieces of this puzzle, send them to me. I'd love to know more. I'd love to put more of the puzzle together. I can also tell you that these orbs that we're Seeing they split into separate objects. You're back. Welcome.

[Ryan Sprague]

I am so sorry, everybody.

[Suzanne Landers]

I told them you were having an Internet problem.

[Ryan Sprague]

So these orbs, they say it might happen again.

[Suzanne Landers]

It could. It could. It could split into separate objects while actively keeping pace with the military jets and before systematically shifting shapes from a t formation into a triangle. Oh,

[Ryan Sprague]

I have no idea what you were just talking about, but I'm. Can you hear me?

[Suzanne Landers]

I can hear you. Yeah, you're back. You're back.

[Ryan Sprague]

Okay, okay, okay. Sorry, guys. I. I'm reloading the slideshow I'm trying to do, and I. I think I'm on a lag, but what did I miss? What were you talking about while I was.

[Suzanne Landers]

Okay, yeah, I was describing it. It's in the southwest somewhere, and that it just happened in December of 2025, so this is new. And then I was describing, Ryan, that, of course, this was a military helicopter that did this, and they spot these orbs, and the orbs then split into separate entities, and they initially form a t, and then they morph into a triangle.

[Ryan Sprague]

Crazy. I mean, the intelligence.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, we've got the videos. We got the pieces, but again, they withhold the kinetics, and it's the kinetics at the bottom. Bottom of the military jets. Data that would help us with velocity and blah, blah, blah, all those things that. That make it tangible and knowable to a human brain, the measurements that make that work. So, anyway, more to come, I suspect.

[Ryan Sprague]

More to come for sure. Thank you for also holding it down while that happened.

[Interviewer]

Sure.

[Ryan Sprague]

You did a great job. You. You need your own show.

[Suzanne Landers]

I don't mean my own show.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yes, you do. Well, cool. Well, I mean, it sounds like you covered the case, so I'm not going to show Daniel's video, so thank you for doing that.

[Suzanne Landers]

Well, if you want to show Dan's, I think, where he's set up to show it, feel free to show it. Yeah, I don't think you'd be doubling up. They might enjoy it. All right, let's do it with it. When he does these things, it's really nice to have, and somebody may want to go flag that.

[Ryan Sprague]

Good.

[Narrator]

Good point.

[Ryan Sprague]

Okay, I'll play it. Hopefully my wi fi holds out. Apologies if not. But here. Yeah, let's go ahead and play Dan's video right now.

[Suzanne Landers]

Okay.

[Guest or Contributor]

The following declassified UA event was documented by the FBI during an intense debrief with a primary witness, a senior u. S. Intelligence officer. It unfolded at a classified government testing installation nestled between jagged mountain ranges and nearby towns. Somewhere in the remote, remote western United States. At 5:00pm on the evening of the encounter, the senior intelligence official climbed aboard a helicopter with two federal partners and two seasoned state pilots. They launched into the fading daylight to perform an aerial sweep of the surrounding mountainous terrain. Strange orbs had been reported earlier that day by installation personnel. Glowing spheres accompanied by deep thunderous thuds, as if massive objects were slamming into the earth. But the hours long, long search turned up nothing. As darkness swallowed the last remaining daylight, they returned to base to refuel. A short time later, they received a strange report. Observation post personnel scanning through night vision goggles had spotted debris four miles to the east. At 9:41pm, the crew scrambled back into the helicopter. Blades thunder as they lifted off and raced towards the suspected debris field. They circled the area in question in near total darkness, sweeping the ground with night vision goggles and the powerful spotlight, but only found empty shadows. After 8:10 minutes, they turned back towards base, only for the radio to crackle to life with an even more concerning message. The observation post reported multiple high speed radar hits just four miles from their location. The Joint Operation center fed them new coordinates in an effort to have them intercept whatever was observed on the radar. Thirteen minutes later, at 10:02pm, they arrived at the rally point and locked the locked eyes on a distant aircraft slipping away along the horizon. Confirmation of the aircraft came instantly from the observation post, followed by an even more alarming transmission. A superheated orb was spotted hovering at ground level close by. Just then, the orb exploded into motion. It rocketed eastward at impossible speed, veered sharply south and suddenly split into two distinct objects. The observation post vectored the helicopter south to attempt another intercept. Five minutes later, at 1007pm, the JOC warned the helicopter pilots that five military aircraft had entered the shared airspace on a training mission. The helicopter reached the new intercept coordinates and began a desperate search with FLIR night vision goggles and the naked eye. Nothing was seen, but the observation post could still see the orb. They reported that the OR rapidly accelerated into the air, climbing straight toward the helicopter until it passed within 10ft. Then it streaked east like a rocket. The pilot aggressively gave chase, only for the radio to interrupt his effort by informing him that the orb was now 20 miles away. The helicopter was no match for the orb's flight performance. At that moment, the co pilot caught sight of it through his night vision goggles. It had split into two orbs and he observed something emerging from them that took off in a different direction at tremendous speed. The helicopter hovered in place, waiting for direction, when suddenly the entire crew witnessed a massive, massive swarm of lights, too many to count, streaking in every direction as the swarm drifted to the south. At 10:27pm Visual contact with the swarm was lost, and the Joint Operations center announced that they canceled the exercise of the five military aircraft and redirected them to assist the lone helicopter in their search for the uap. That was when the sky truly came alive. The helo pilots suddenly spotted two enormous orbs hovering side by side directly above them. The orbs flared brilliantly stationary, menacing, glowing ovals with fiery orange exteriors and blinding white centers, radiating light in all directions, illuminating the shocked faces of the crew. Seconds later, a third orb ignited below the first two, then a fourth, then a fifth, until five blazing orbs hung in a vertical column of light. They held their position, then slowly flared out in reverse order, vanishing into the darkness. One minute later, four or five identical orbs were observed to the west, ominously positioned directly over the five inbound military aircraft. They flared up one by one in a perfect horizontal line, burned intensely for 10 to 15 seconds, then extinguished in the reverse sequence. Five minutes after that, another formation flared up to the east near a small town. Same horizontal pattern, same eerie precision. Eight minutes later, yet another flare up erupted west of the military installation over the mountains. They too flared down and disappeared into the night. At 10:49pm a new swarm erupted, but this one included three distinct orbs locked in a tight triangular formation. After several seconds, they too flared out. Three minutes later, position 10 miles north of the installation, the crew watched five or six orbs ignite over a local town to the east, flaring up one at a time in a horizontal formation before extinguishing in reverse. At 10:57pm, four more Orbs flared up directly above the five military aircraft yet again as they made their final descent back to the base, burning brightly before vanishing. This was the final sighting that ended the hour long game of cat and Mouse. At 11:16pm, the shaken intelligence officer and crew landed back at the operations center, forever changed by what they witnessed.

[Suzanne Landers]

Man, I know. Can you imagine being in that helicopter and coming so close to two of those powerful orbs so much that it's illuminating everyone in your cabin?

[Ryan Sprague]

No, I mean, and like the other thing too, is these things, these helicopter incidents have been going on for a long time. Like if you go back to the United nations back in, I think the 70s, did a panel on UFOs and they had, I believe he was the head of like a National Guard helicopter crew. Lieutenant Coyne the coin incident where a UFO literally went over a helicopter and sucked it up and like, was messing with it and they lost control of their. Their helicopter.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

[Ryan Sprague]

Like these orbs. I just, it's. At first I'm like, you know, it could be drones, it could be this, it could be that. Not the way Dan was describing that. And you described as. Well.

[Suzanne Landers]

Right. Man, Dan did a good job. I thought, breaking that one down for us. If you're not following him on Twitter, he's worth a follow. He does a good job.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yep, yep. Just look for Dan Warren. Hey, Luke. Something is his Twitter hand.

[Suzanne Landers]

Hey, Luke, over here. Or something like that.

[Ryan Sprague]

There we go.

[Suzanne Landers]

Hey, Luke, over here. Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

Awesome, Awesome. I know. Liberation Times covered this story too, so check out their coverage of it as well. I think the phenomenon is multi layered. Yep. All those. I agree with you.

[Suzanne Landers]

I agree. I agree.

[Ryan Sprague]

We are not dealing with one source for sure or intelligence.

[Suzanne Landers]

And it also makes me think of that incident that Leslie Kane talked about the first year that I went to Seoul about. What prompted her intrigue in the subject was in talking to the military pilots who were talking about these orbs flying straight into their. Their windshields or whatever they call that on plan.

[Narrator]

Yeah,

[Suzanne Landers]

that'd be terrifying. So I think we have another one of those here.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah. Again, dating back to World War II and the Foo fighter phenomenon. Things just don't change. Some. Some UFOs stay. Stay OG.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, exactly. And they are definitely in charge.

[Ryan Sprague]

They are in charge. Yeah. So I look forward to hearing more about these kind of events moving forward, for sure. And possibly more information about UFOs being lured. I. I find it fascinating, you know, a lot of. And we've even heard people like Elizondo say that, like. Yeah, we would purposefully, you know, put out nuclear subs and stuff to try to lure these things in. So.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, yeah, very interesting. I think we're getting closer.

[Ryan Sprague]

We're getting there. We're getting there. All right, let's get to our last story before I lose my wi fi again. We're going to be talking a little bit. This might get a little bit more on the controversial side, guys, but we're talking about the Catholic faith in the age of disclosure, because there's a new documentary coming out that is voices from around the world, clergy, theologians, and everyday believers speaking on camera about the modern UAP phenomenon. And it will be be released in the near future. And it has some pretty interesting people in it. Suzanne, I know you haven't seen the trailer yet, so I Am gonna play it and I'm interested to see your thoughts on who they got for this Catholic oriented documentary coming out. Should we play the.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, let's play the trailer.

[Ryan Sprague]

Cool, Cool. Here we go. Last video of the night, guys. I promise, actually second to last. The last one will be playing us out. But here we go with the new documentary called not of this World. When I was 12 years old, shooting

[Interviewer]

hoops in my backyard, I looked up and there was a cylindrical object in the sky.

[Ryan Sprague]

Down, up, side, and then shot out of sight. At night, we walked along the beach and two large objects appeared in the sky. Each one about the size of a full moon. We were terrified and we jumped in the car and drove back to my house. And at that moment, I was hooked. I realized all of those people that are claiming they've seen something in the

[Jordan Flowers]

sky, most of them might just be telling the truth.

[Ryan Sprague]

The thought of me speaking to you now about UAPs and these phenomena five years ago would have been absolutely ludicrous. Obviously, things have changed.

[Interviewer]

The very definition of insanity, tinfoil had

[Ryan Sprague]

we're Browning told, maybe there's something to it. I'm David Gresh. I was a career intelligence officer in

[Jordan Flowers]

the U.S. air Force. I essentially became the first whistleblower to testify under oath.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

I remember thinking a lot about his testimony. He directly connected the claims about these

[Ryan Sprague]

secret programs to the Vatican. The claim is that in 1933, a craft crashed near Magenta, Italy. Pope Pius XII got in touch with the American government and said, we think you ought to have it.

[Narrator]

The Roman Catholic Church must be very cautious. What will the general people think?

[Ryan Sprague]

I wanted to see the big picture. If they're real, then how does it fit in what we believe? And it didn't fit well at all.

[Jordan Flowers]

It didn't make sense to me as a devout Christian, that God would have told us everything and just leave out 99% of reality.

[Suzanne Landers]

People want, want to think the aliens

[Ryan Sprague]

are all fun and games. And the reality is it's not.

[Suzanne Landers]

And the stakes are really high.

[Ryan Sprague]

It kind of ultimately leads to, what

[Guest or Contributor]

if this renders Christianity false?

[Ryan Sprague]

As a Catholic, I actually have more questions and answers.

[Jordan Flowers]

And I would like the Church to

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

lead on this question of other persons,

[Ryan Sprague]

of fallenness in other worlds. Where but the Catholic faith would. I love to try to find some understanding.

[Guest or Contributor]

Understanding.

[Ryan Sprague]

If the Church at the highest levels does know something, the time for transparency is now. We really are just at the very

[Guest or Contributor]

beginning of a massive, massive journey.

[Ryan Sprague]

Looks good.

[Suzanne Landers]

Wow. Looks good. I loved seeing Robert Pinoti. I know our listeners Many of them are going to know who he is. He is sort of the, the sole expert on the Magenta crash that took place in maybe 1934 outside of Milan. And Mussolini got involved in that crash and took, it's the first, I think, known instance of a government taking possession of something in this topic and hiding it. And Panotti says, and he can prove to your satisfaction that Mussolini was reverse engineering. And so I think that's where it all started right there. So I think it could be really important for the Catholic faith to come forward in a positive and open way and that that would be helpful not only to the Catholic communities across the planet, but to the other religious communities as well, because I think there is a way to balance out the existence of non human intelligence with religion.

[Ryan Sprague]

I think you're right. Like every time we talk about disclosure, like the topic of religion is not far behind even in disclosure day. A big part of that was this former nun who's now grappling with the possibility of alien disclosure and asking her Mother Superior, you know, is it okay that I believe this? What if I told you we were about to disclose the truth? And yeah, interesting stuff. Yeah, mine too, with my Catholic priest. Yep. Yeah. This little quote here, I like this. Drawing on over 50 hours of original interviews, not of this World, directed by Sam Sorek, tells the story of how the Catholic faith is grappling with, with a new reality. With 1.4 billion members, the church will have a significant role in navigating what comes next. So obviously Christianity, yeah, is a big one. But like you said, this goes for all religions who in some way, shape or form all believe that there is the possibility of other worlds, other life. So I, I, I find that fascinating. I'm really looking forward to seeing a documentary that is specifically Catholic or my own personal beliefs and spirituality. I, I'm not so much a, a practicing Catholic any longer, but I do still believe in the Catholic faith in many ways. So I do want to see how they tackle that. It's interesting to see that David Grush is featured in this thing. Of all people, he hasn't been in a documentary.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, I think he, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

So I, I'm interested to know what he thinks in terms of what he learned of the reverse engineering legacy programs and how that he integrated that into his own faith too, so.

[Suzanne Landers]

Right.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah.

[Suzanne Landers]

Well, I think this could be a really important step forward. Its timing is very interesting to me that this is happening after decades and decades and decades of secrecy from the Pope and the Vatican on The topic, the only person that I know who actually makes it inside over there on this topic is not Beatrice Pasulka. Yeah, yeah. And she's very, very connected. So I think this documentary coming out from this very important perspective. At the same time, the American government is releasing tranches of documents. I don't think that's a coincidence.

[Ryan Sprague]

I don't either. I mean, you, you also look at that apparent meeting that took place recently with church leaders and yes, the government people you look at like that one priest who just got fired for saying UFOs were demonic. Like.

[Suzanne Landers]

Exactly, exactly. I think we're watching sort of a lockstep approach and I think an important approach because many, many, many humans, billions of us rely on faith in our daily worlds in one way or another. So to give this particular audience this kind of look and thoughtful perspective, I think it'd be so important.

[Ryan Sprague]

Agreed. Absolutely. Yep. You mentioned Diana Pasulka. She will be writing the forward to my upcoming book as well. And she also has a brand new book coming out in just a few weeks now called the Others. I had an opportunity to read an advanced copy. I am featured on the back of the book, a testimonial as well, so be on the lookout for that. And I will be interviewing her on the show to talk all about her new book.

[Guest or Contributor]

Wow.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah.

[Suzanne Landers]

Recently asserted that the Vatican isn't holding anything back.

[Ryan Sprague]

I, I, I can see that they be, they seem to be getting more and more involved in the topic. For sure, Dr. Phil will know what to do.

[Suzanne Landers]

Well, that was a moment in the week. I don't know if you were following all of that or you were still too busy filming.

[Ryan Sprague]

Struggle.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

I know.

[Ryan Sprague]

That was in our notes for tonight. I struggled to cover that because I just don't take that guy seriously, so.

[Suzanne Landers]

I know, I know.

[Ryan Sprague]

It is interesting that he got the trench before everyone else, though.

[Suzanne Landers]

Everybody else like why, but I'm trying to be positive about that. He has a huge audience.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yep.

[Suzanne Landers]

You know, the more the merrier maybe.

[Ryan Sprague]

I agree. I agree. Yep. The more info, the more eyes we get on this, the better.

[Narrator]

Right?

[Ryan Sprague]

For sure.

[Suzanne Landers]

From all different perspectives. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Narrator]

Awesome.

[Ryan Sprague]

Well, that's our news for tonight. Weird, eclectic bunch. I sorry. I dipped out for a little bit there too, guys, but Suzanne held it down. But yeah, we had Bigfoot, we had ghosts and we had aliens. I think we did pretty well.

[Suzanne Landers]

Maybe we throw in witches next time. I don't know.

[Ryan Sprague]

We gotta get some witches up in this, up in this live stream.

[Suzanne Landers]

Exactly.

[Ryan Sprague]

You know what is, you know what's full of ghosts, aliens, witches and what else am I missing? Bigfoot. Suzanne.

[Suzanne Landers]

What? What?

[Ryan Sprague]

Anomicon.

[Suzanne Landers]

I'm so excited.

[Ryan Sprague]

I have an opportunity for you guys if you are interested. If you have a company, a brand, a YouTube channel, a podcast, anything, a business of any kind and you want to promote at Anomicon this year. We are looking for sponsorships and we already have a couple, so I'm really excited about that. Anomicon is our live stream that we're doing September 12th right here on YouTube on Twitch on X. It is a free virtual conference. You can watch this all day for free. We do not charge you anything. We do take donations throughout the event to go to a charity and to help offset costs and everything. But yeah, if you are someone who wants to promote something at Anomicon, reach out to me. Email is in the show notes. You can reach out to me on social media as well. But yeah, you can get to have a one or two minute ad on at Anomicon. Your logo is up on our website and on the screen for the whole thing. Links to whatever you need will be at Anomicon sponsorship recognition, and also it'll be in the replay of Anomicon forever. So if anyone's interested in becoming a sponsor, you can reach out to me to learn about our tiers and how you. You can become an official sponsor of Anomicon 2026 happening September 12th. If you want to learn more about our speakers and the event, it'[e-mail] link is in the show notes as well for that.

[Suzanne Landers]

And you can also get some fun merch there if you want it.

[Ryan Sprague]

I. Oh, my gosh. I always forget we have Anomicon merch. Yeah.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

So check that out, guys, for sure.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah. Very exciting and to ontological shock. Thank you. You're so welcome. We're so happy to be back and get to see everybody in the chat.

[Ryan Sprague]

Absolutely. You guys are the best. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. Don't forget to hit that like, button sync says. Yeah, I always forget to do that too. Yes, please, like subscribe if you haven't already. Thank you guys. You're doing the work for me. I love it.

[Suzanne Landers]

Absolutely. We appreciate it.

[Ryan Sprague]

Certainly a couple things to tease before we get out of here.

[Suzanne Landers]

Suzanne, hold on.

[Ryan Sprague]

Oh, thank you, James, for Anomicon. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate that we reach our goal.

[Suzanne Landers]

That's our goal. That's our goal. Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

Thank you guys. You are the absolute best.

[Suzanne Landers]

It helps so much, you all.

[Ryan Sprague]

It really does. Yeah. So I'm here in Nova Scotia hunting ghosts across the province and I had the opportunity to sit down for almost two hours with my. With my, my boss, my closest friend, my confidant, the one and only Paul Kimball. And while he has moved on from UFOs, for the most part, he has a huge history and resume when it comes to making films about UFOs. So I did an episode with him a couple nights ago that you will hear on the podcast this Monday all about his UFO documentaries throughout the years that include things like Stanton Friedman, the Aztec, UFO crash, MJ12, crop circles, cattle mutilations, and his biggest film, I would say, best evidence, top 10 UFO sightings. So we talk about all of them. We talk about what it's like making UFO documentaries, how they've changed throughout the years, where he stands on all his UFO documentaries today, and so much more. It was a very fun and informative conversation. It is available right now.

[Suzanne Landers]

Character, you know, if you all haven't watched him before, especially with Ryan, because they're a little bit naughty. I'm just going to put it that way.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

Be on the lookout for. Yeah, we call it in this upcoming episode, we call it the Jeremy Corbell Alert. Just keep that in mind. But it was such a fun and fascinating conversation. So that's. That is available on Patreon and Apple Premium and YouTube members right now. You can listen to Early Access and watch Early Access. Otherwise it'll be available this Monday for everyone, which is tomorrow. Good Lord, I don't even know what day it is.

[Suzanne Landers]

I know. I get it.

[Ryan Sprague]

Crazy. Crazy.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

I get it.

[Suzanne Landers]

Completely right. Well, that's exciting.

[Ryan Sprague]

And then next week we have our very own Substack contributor. Violeta Bajia will be joining us as well to talk all about UFOs in Australia. She is in Melbourne, so she'll be sharing stories about the rich History of UFOs in Australia from her articles and from her upcoming presentation at Anomicon 22, running six as exciting.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, and she's a lot of fun too. You can follow Violeta on, I believe, Instagram and on Substack.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yep, she's the best. She reached out to me, gosh, a couple years ago and she's like, I'm a big fan of your show. If there's ever anything I can do, please let me know. And I'm like, right, right, right, right.

[Suzanne Landers]

Please keep writing, everybody. Keep writing. Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

And she's doing one hell of a job keeping the substack going for sure. Speaking of substack, Suzanne Our last tease of the night is you. You are going to be contributing your first article to Somewhere in the Skies about the La Madera incident. Is there anything you could tease? This will be dropping this week, guys. Suzanne's first article and it is explosive. I'm not just saying that or being hyperbolic. This is going to make some waves, this case. Tell us a little about that, if you. I don't mind.

[Suzanne Landers]

I hope so. Well, it's about an incident that occurred the very same night as the crash in Socorro, New Mexico, which is where Officer Lonnie Zamora, in 1964, I think it was in April, was working the night shift and Officer Zamora saw what he thought was a car crash. Of course, we all know the story. It turned out not to be a car crash. Well, what most people don't know is there were two other incidences the very same night that are very similar. And so this article that I have researched with the assistance of David Marler at Newfork in Albuquerque, or Rio Rancho, I guess, talks about everything that happened that night. And so I have gotten lots of photos and old newspaper clippings and all sorts of things. I hope you'll take a minute to read it because I think our group in particular will find the similarities between these three incidences stunning.

[Ryan Sprague]

Absolutely. I was reading it last night at like two in the morning and I couldn't put it down again. I'm not really saying that. Yeah.

[Suzanne Landers]

Oh, nice. That's so nice work.

[Ryan Sprague]

Fantastic work. And the fact that you have David Marler involved, like, good Lord, you can't ask for more credibility.

[Suzanne Landers]

I know. He's such a good guy. Such a good guy. And we do give him full on credit for his help on in this article once it comes out. You'll see.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yep. And we will be premiering that this week. I'll keep you guys posted on our social media. If you're not following our substack, just go over to substack, look for Ryan Sprague somewhere in the skies. You should be able to find it. I think there's a link in the show notes below too. But yeah, yeah.

[Suzanne Landers]

And theoretically Ryan and I linked our sub stacks this morning.

[Interviewer or Analyst]

Yes.

[Suzanne Landers]

We're not certain yet, but we think we did. So if you find one, you can find the other.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Exactly.

[Suzanne Landers]

At least in theory, right?

[Ryan Sprague]

In theory it should work. We'll see. We did have a question for you before we go. Any updates? Biologist asks on the David Grush lawsuit.

[Suzanne Landers]

Oh, Mr. Grush, it's very quiet right now, but Remember that this isn't a. An appellate process. And an appellate process is so different from a trial process, which can go pretty quickly and has lots of new things happening all the time. And appellate process is basically what they call an en banc review by appellate justices of whatever the trial court did. So you're not presenting new evidence except in very rare, extraordinary circumstances. So it's just a long, slow paper haul is what an appeal is. So I check regularly to try to get what the latest documents are, but there's just not anything that I. I think the average bear would be interested in hearing right now that we haven't already reported. But that will change because an opinion will come from those justices at some point.

[Ryan Sprague]

Love it. We got it, guys. The Grush. The Grush rush.

[Suzanne Landers]

I don't know right now.

[Ryan Sprague]

What did we used to call it? Grush Hour.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah, the Grush hour. Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

There we go. I love it. Well, thank you. Thank you for that update. I'm sure everyone will be. Thanks for the update by all.

[Interviewer]

Just.

[Ryan Sprague]

I love it. I love it.

[Narrator]

Awesome.

[Ryan Sprague]

Suzanne. Well, anything else before we close out with a very fun video?

[Suzanne Landers]

I don't think so. I'm looking forward to this video. It's really beautiful.

[Ryan Sprague]

Me too. Guys. Again, my filming is pretty, pretty demanding and I, I don't always know exactly when we're scheduled, so I will try to do a live stream next week, but I can't make any promises. But I will be heading back to Scotland very soon where we return to our normally scheduled ever every week Sunday live streams. But thank you. I can't believe so many people showed up tonight, you know, for kind of an impromptu setup. I wasn't sure if we'd be able to do it. And we did it.

[Barbara Beck]

I know.

[Suzanne Landers]

And lovely, lovely folks stepping in. I love it.

[Ryan Sprague]

Absolutely. We reached our goal. Again, thank you to all our super chatters.

[Suzanne Landers]

That is so kind.

[Ryan Sprague]

Incredibly kind of you. Thank you to all our regulars, all our new people who watch tonight. Let us know in the comments below on YouTube what you thought of this story. Tonight's. Keep this discussion going down there. That's always fun when we can follow up on stories and stuff. And we need your help with that

[Suzanne Landers]

because we're just under the video in the comment section. Not the live chat, the comments under the video. I don't know where YouTube puts the live chat. Some, but so it goes somewhere sometimes

[Ryan Sprague]

it goes to heaven, sometimes hell. I don't know.

[Suzanne Landers]

Into the ether. We don't know.

[Ryan Sprague]

Into the ether. Yes, exactly. Awesome. So rate and Review on Spotify and Apple, guys, truly appreciate that, like, and subscribe if you haven't already. Appreciate all of that. And we're going to leave you with a very fun story. Tonight, new crop circles appear in Wilshire, Wils, Wills.

[Snake the Bigfoot Hunter]

Okay.

[Ryan Sprague]

Fourth time's a charm.

[Narrator]

Ryan.

[Ryan Sprague]

Wiltshire, England. Holy hell. How could I.

[Suzanne Landers]

You got it.

[Ryan Sprague]

You gotta live in the uk. That's ridiculous. Yes. Wiltshire. Two new crop circles have cropped up. They're beautiful. This was reported at Roundaway Hill in Wiltshire, reported on July 18. And this is only the second crop circle reported in 2026 in England. So. Yeah, yeah, get. Where are the other ones? Come on, guys. Come on. And this video was taken by the YouTube channel Stonehenge Dronescape. So we're gonna play you guys out with this beautiful video about the crop circles. And we still have to do an episode on crop circles. I need to find someone.

[Suzanne Landers]

And they're so gorgeous.

[Ryan Sprague]

Oh, my God. Yeah. And such a fascinating subset of the UFO topic that we've never really tackled. So.

[Suzanne Landers]

Yeah.

[Ryan Sprague]

Yeah, Right, Awesome. So I'm gonna play that video and we'll see you guys hopefully soon. Like, subscribe. Boom, boom, boom. YouTubey stuff. Done. Thank you, Suzanne. Thank you for all your insights and your valuable efforts every week here and for holding down the chat as always.

[Suzanne Landers]

Sure, sure.

[Ryan Sprague]

Everyone.

[Suzanne Landers]

Have a wonderful weekend.

[Ryan Sprague]

Have a wonderful weekend. I know I. I don't know what a weekend is, but I have a wonderful one.

[Suzanne Landers]

You'll get one back.

[Ryan Sprague]

I love it. Where's my video? There it is. All right, here we go, guys. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. And we will leave you with our mantra. As always, keep your feet on the ground, but never stop searching. Somewhere in the skies or somewhere in the crop circle.

[Suzanne Landers]

Sa.